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job of going through the timeline and all of picking apart some of the items found at the scene and what they could
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mean and what they might not mean and what it could point point us towards as we work our way towards getting to some
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of the theories the popular theories uh theories of the public and theories of our own as well as suspects and to the
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Abduction of 27-year-old jod hen Tru and a lot of the points that you're going to
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bring up there's a lot of speculation too so uh for all the speculation Polie this is your warning turn it off if you
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don't like speculation yeah and we're going to sift through some of this and see if we can come up with some answers
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or in the very least eliminate some of the possibilities that people have thrown out there so when it comes to
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theories I found this article that I think is a great lead into the theory section it's an article featuring a
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reporter who was interviewing an FBI agent and a Mason City police officer regarding the Abduction of jod the
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reporter asked do you think you've interviewed the person who committed this crime the FBI agent responds to the
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question saying I don't know know I don't know it makes you wonder then the reporter ask do you think that this case
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do you think that this is a case where you know who did it but just cannot prove it the Mason City police officer
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answers I don't think so there are so many different stories and theories and possibilities that I don't think we
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could ever narrow it down to who did it right now it's trying to figure out what
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happened to jod where is she and then work back backwards from there and I he brings up a very good point here Captain
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he's very right the officer we don't know what happened or the result of this abduction we have no body so there is
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only a cold trail that leads to her being grabbed and taken in the parking lot of her apartment complex MH with no
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result or no body there is nothing there's no dots to connect now the FBI agent goes on to say if if it was
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anybody but jod and because she was a local news anchor you could say it was a chance encounter but you can't rule out
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the fact that someone was stalking her just because of who she was and the officer's thought thoughts regarding the
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crime is if you're a kidnapper there are a lot of possibilities that you should have gotten caught in an apartment
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complex there are a lot of Windows facing out what a risky place to abduct someone so you think maybe it was
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someone that knew her there again what if it was someone who was just lurking around the apartments looking for prey
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so some items to keep in mind regarding theories as we go through these as to what the police and FBI's agents
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thoughts were at the time so as you can see there were no shortage of theories out there but let's start off by going
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through some of the theories that have been discussed on other platforms regarding what is likely to have
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happened to jod the theories are this let's do this captain let's list out these theories and then we'll kind of go
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through them one at a time if that's okay with you mhm all right so one someone that she knew abducted and
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killed her two someone stalking her abducted and killed her now this could either be someone she knows or does not
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know three total stranger on Stranger attack or like a serial killer someone spots her leaving that day and grabs her
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mhm some of these are a little more out there that's my warning as we move on to
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these next ones four the police killed her five drugs that somehow drugs were involved either she was using or she
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reported on something and someone got upset and six someone from work possible co-worker was involved in her abduction
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and murder well let's start backwards so let's start with the first one a cooworker yeah and this one is a weird
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one but I don't think it's so far out there because there's a lot of on line speculation regarding Amy Coons
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specifically now this is the girl that called her that day woke her up said hey are you coming to work and then then
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fills in for her for that day I want to paint the real picture of of her co-workers and of that television
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station there so even though jod was missing there was a long time that she was still
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technically employed by the television station that she was they were getting people to constantly fill in for her for
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months and months and months after the fact people people pulling together this is what where I see a kind of close-knit
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group that considers each other friends on some level kind of pulling together for this young woman who has gone
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missing someone that they probably lots of them cared very deeply about well it also shows that there wasn't somebody
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next in line to take her spot yeah and as you pointed out yesterday Captain it is a very competitive business there's a
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lot of people that want to be on TV I'm sure that the the position pays well um usually the people working under
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somebody under the anchor there are people that aspire to be a news anchor someday so that's why some suspicion has
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fallen on Amy Coons throughout the years now over the years many of her co-workers have been interviewed and
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many of them seem to be very willing to sit down and and be a part of these interviews right and the other thing we
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what got to keep in mind here is like we said yesterday there was a thought at the time that there was an
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increasing that that this was an increasing thing that there was unwanted attention from females that worked on
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television worked on camera that they were receiving a lot of unwanted attention from male viewers and it was
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of concern to everybody in the industry so a lot of the surrounding areas would often feature Jody's crime as well or
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Jody's case as well because they're trying to bring attention to this they're trying to put an end to this an
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awareness to this situation now her co-workers more specifically one had nothing but great
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things to say for for Jodie with the exception I will say I think the reason why there's been some suspicion cast on
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Amy [ __ ] is that she's not always said wonderful bright shiny things about jod and now
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keep in mind she worked side by side with her day after day after day Captain I love you you're one of my one of my
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longest friends um and but but I'm sure that there are people that are aware that there's times that we bicker at one
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another on the show or we have a disagreement on the show regarding something it's I talk [ __ ] about you all
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the time I know and I find that strange that I seem to have your back but you you have a different opinion of our
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relationship yeah if you ever go missing they know where to but moving on to the
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point where here's where I don't find anything suspicious about Amy's behavior and you know some people first people
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bring up the fact that are they were they in fact friends I don't think that they were I don't I actually don't think
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that there's anything to suggest that they were friends and I don't think at any time Amy pretends that they were
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friends she makes it sound like what we were co-workers first off but you also have to understand she technically was
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my boss and but also if you're being in interviewed with the police right that sometimes you you know if you just paint
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this uh you know Glitz and glamour uh portrayal of this person that might not be the actual truth and the more
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truthful that you can be with police officers the more that they can follow certain leads and figure out you know
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maybe if if we can figure out who uh jod is that we can figure out what happened
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to her and I do want to point out we we talked about the birthday party Jody's surprise birthday party 27th birthday
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party uh Amy was not on the invited list for that party uh so I think this would
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further back up that they were just they were more co-workers and less friends at
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no time has the police ever said that they suspect anybody that she works with at
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no time and to back that up a little bit more is we have Amy Coons who has done a
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bazillion and I think that number is extremely accurate a bazillion interviews regarding her relationship
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with Jody regarding their and then the telephone call too yeah so here's the thing I think that
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ultimately police have a much better idea on this than we do as they should I think that the public might be jumping
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too conclusions here thinking Amy could be a suspect I don't know so much about her other co-workers but she's the one
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that I'm focusing in on because she's the one that we know the most about because she's done a bazillion
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interviews over the years but what police did with Amy was they brought her to the actual crime scene they brought
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her to where jod was abducted they brought her into her apartment and had her look through her things to verify
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hey tell us what she might have been wearing when she was abducted so when we when we give out her physical
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description we can give out what we think she was wearing at the time right and the thing is I really think the see
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here's the Alibi Amy has an alibi and The Alibi is what you just said the phone call right if in fact that she
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spoke with her at 410 and she was busy working she was observed by other people at this television station during the
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time of when jod would have been abducted now yes there's some more far-fetched ideas out there that that
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Amy could have killed her the night before and pretended that those phone calls happened yes or Amy that's a
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possibility or it's kind of a Tanya Harding uh Nancy carrian type thing where you're going to place these calls
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at the same time you know that somebody is uh abducting her so I'm going to go ahead and rule out the first possibility
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of that Amy was involved somehow and something happened to jod the night before and then Amy later faked those
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phone calls and the the reason why I'm going to rule that out as a possibility is I think the police were able to rule
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it out I don't I don't have confirmation of this but what I believe to be confirmation of this is that they in
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fact must have ruled Amy out as a suspect enough that they brought her to the crime scene that they brought her
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into the apartment to get her opinion on different things of what she would see there so you're kind of ruling out
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co-workers I'm not going to just yet but I also don't think the motive is that strong so let's go to the next theory of
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that possibly there was some drugs involved somehow yes and there's kind of two thoughts to this this Theory um one
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that Jody had been reporting on something on some drug activity and had gotten too close to the story and
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someone wanted to silence her mhm the other portion of this drug theory is that maybe was jod herself using drugs
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and I I think I'd like to address that one first and then we can get into the the investigative reporting aspect of it
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yeah I mean it's pretty clear right I mean there's no evidence or even rumors that she did drugs we this is this again
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is where Amy where people question her coworker Amy Coons because there is in in an interview where they ask her
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directly at any time did you think that jod was on drugs and Amy said well there
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was a lot of times that jod would show up and she would be very tired and not seem real dedicated not really applying
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herself kind of out of it for the first few hours of her shift and sometimes we would find her sleeping in editing Bays
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during her shift right and at other times she would be really tired one moment and then very hyper and excited
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the next as well as she she could have mood swings where she would yell at a co-worker or yell at somebody that was
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um you know worked for her and then the next minute be on top of the world saying how much she loved her job and
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how much she loved everybody she worked with well it really seemed that Jody was
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driven I think in her journals you can see where she writes down different goals of where she'd like to be at at a
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certain time uh so but she's also very young I mean I say very young but 27 it's like you you think well I'm
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approaching 30 I got some stuff figured out but you really don't well very young
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in a very professional setting MH you know it's you could be you could be 27 and working at Cedar Point and and seem
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like a very adult professional person but you take that same person you put them working for I don't know the oil
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industry or some kind of big capitalism industry and they don't seem so um mature so I think for me as far as her
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behavior I can't answer to maybe that was her behavior all the time maybe she was just an excited person that would be
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that could be angry one moment and very happy the next moment well obviously if you're getting into work at you know
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4:00 in the morning that at some point you're going to get your your your second win or your first win and you're
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going to come to life and go okay here we go it's time to get some work done and I have to believe that that position
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especially being an on camera person probably comes with a a high level of uh pressure uh you know at times she could
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have felt like she was in the pressure cooker and then at other times that camera shuts off and there's probably
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some relief you know oh I made it through the day or oh I did a great job on that
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piece the thing here is Amy has said outright that it was those types of behavior that led her to suspect that
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drugs were a possibility I don't think there was anything other any evidence other than her
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behavior that there was any types of drugs involved you know nobody seen anything to to to 100% point to drugs I
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think too that you bring up a good a good thought there Captain is that we have this young woman 27 she has to get
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up and be at work at 3:00 a.m. how many times and I have uh reports from a woman that she worked
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with named Robin woler I'm sorry walstrom I believe is her name forgive me she was the she was the evening
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anchor yeah and she would say that she didn't get off till 10: or 10:30 at night and that the two of them were very
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close jod and her were very close and she said that sometimes she would get a phone call from jod at 10 10:30 at night
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and say what are you doing tonight Robin do you have any plans and Robin Robin would say hey don't you have to be at
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work at 3:00 a.m. and Jody would say things like look you know life is meant for living you know I we I I can sleep
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later and I think one thing that we see here with her falling asleep in the editing Bay I just think she wasn't
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wasn't fully equipping herself to work at 3:00 a.m. every morning we all know people that have fallen into Vicious
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Cycles of you know outgoing people that like to go out every night and what do they do they fall into a vicious cycle
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of wake up early go to work work as hard as you can come home you take a little bit of a nap your phone rings and you're
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out again that night and you fall into the same cycle day after day after day well she's also in a town by herself and
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we know that she likes to drink beer so maybe she likes to be social and maybe that makes her not feel so alone let's
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go have a couple drinks and we're you know I'm not going to feel so alone here where my family is so far away and my
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friends are so far away more importantly if in fact she was rushing off to work with very little time to
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prepare and she's abducted then and next thing you know police are in her apartment going through her things you
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think they would have found something to suggest that she was using drugs and this was not the case and I think the
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reason why we can prove that that's not the cas case they never seem to be following up on that angle they never
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seem to be working that angle so I think we can I think we can squash the uh jod
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was on drugs thought there that there has been a small amount of chatter of that I think it should just be
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quieted what if drugs were involved then what might be more likely was that she was reporting on something and somebody
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thought that she should be silenced yeah and it could be some kind of drug thing
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that she's going to report on but there was also this criminal case going on where a man was going to be charged with
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murder uh Billy prun and so a lot of people think so one of the pieces of evidence is that her briefcase was
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missing and so a lot of people think that is evidence that there was something in there that she was going to
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report on the the issue here though is that she's technically an anchor and she wasn't technically a journalist right
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and and you bring up a very good a good point there and a little more on this Billy prun person he was somebody that
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would later commit suicide he was I believe charged with three homicides they were all related to illegal drug
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activity right and it's thought that he was some kind of drug lord or or or Kingpin in this area and he was up to
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all these bad things she's reporting on these on these stories so naturally people wonder well did he decide to go
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and kidnap her and silence her yeah or put a hit out on her there and there's here's what the police have said the and
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these are these are their words that for someone to believe that she got too close to a story or she knew too much
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the PO the person would have to be crazy and that's their words and what they mean by that is what you were just what
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you were just feeding us there captain is this that she sat behind a desk she didn't do investigative reporting she
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wasn't doing the investigation she was simply reporting it and telling all of us about don't say simply that's a lot
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harder than people make it out to be but but it an anch anchor not a journalist I'm not degrading her job I'm just
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saying that when you when you break it down she's reporting it to the rest of us right she's not out investigating it
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she's not knocking on doors following leads making phone calls she's just saying this is what we believe happened
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this is what we know to have happened this man's facing these charges so in a sense the police are exactly right that
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the person would have to take it to the next level and believe that she knows something that she would not have known
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right and further more if you're going to go silence her isn't she just reporting what everyone else in the area
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would be reporting as well wouldn't you have to go and silence everyone that you
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saw on TV possibly unless she got some lead or tip that she's keeping close to the vest and and this person knew about
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it I mean I think the main thing to focus on here is that she you know jod is missing but so is her
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briefcase okay and you bring up a good point the with the briefcase having gone missing then you would think that there
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must be why would somebody drag that along with them in the process of ab abducting her that would lead you to
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two Westerville officers that were killed on duty earlier this year may they rest in peace and God bless their
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families and thank you to all the good people that came together to honor them now where we left off Captain we were
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going through these different thoughts and theories and the one that just went through the Billy puin Theory right that
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either he was involved or someone that he knew had killed Jody we want to point out there that I don't want anybody to
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get the impression that we just glossed over it for no reason at all the thing is there's been a lot of people that
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have looked into this Theory and they have many good reasons to dismiss it and actually my personal thoughts on this
00:27:24
theory is while it's a very interesting story and it's an interesting possibility for me very quickly in
00:27:32
looking into it I was able to there was so many question marks that I thought there are so many more likely
00:27:38
possibilities in this case that if you want to spend your time on it we don't have the time today so if you want to
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spend some time on that that's something you can certainly look into I encourage
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you to but I think you'll find a lot of the same question marks and red flags that I found as well well and there's
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another kind of out there Theory too that of these that the cops are responsible and that comes from this
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lady that worked for the police department and she claims that there was three men that worked for the police
00:28:07
department or maybe three police officers that for whatever reason decided to abduct Jody yes so this is
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Officer Maria o uh and I'm hoping that I'm saying her last name right it's oh L if anybody wants to look into that but
00:28:23
she is no longer an officer with the Mason City Police Department she has been released from there because she has
00:28:30
violated several of the Department's regulations now the she's an interesting part of this story too because she
00:28:39
states the reason why she was let go is because she had information that these three officers were involved in the
00:28:46
abduction and murder of jod henu and how did she come across this information it
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was she is the sister-in-law of a reverend at one of the local churches there and this is um a reverend that
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received information from a guy named Donald milk and this person called the Reverend and spoke to him back in 2010 I
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believe informed the Reverend that he had information of police misconduct and he knew where Jody's body
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was that is what I have heard to be his as close as you can get get to his exact
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words that he was aware of police misconduct he was afraid of the police and he knew that where Jody's body was I
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think from that is where the story pulls together and states that well these the
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police might have been involved in this right so she's the uh sister-in-law of this Reverend he shares the information
00:29:48
with her because he I don't think he knew where to take this information and she was a police officer at the time so
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she runs into this sticky situation of well who does she go to you know when people that you work for might have been
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involved in something do you go to them or do you not go to them this what makes
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this even more weird is that the the police department comes right out and says look she says she had this information
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on us and that she has evidence against us and we're letting her go because of that information that she had and the
00:30:22
way that she handled that evidence so it's a it's a very weird story and I encourage people to check that out and
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if you want to check out the Billy pruin story as well more of that information you can find there's a very good website
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out there called findjodi.com it's been dedicated to finding jod who's and truth
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and it's been put together by a lot of investigative journalists and reporters that have worked this case very hard and
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continue to work it to this day so if you are interested in those angles I encourage you to check that out we have
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to move on from those theories though captain because there are some much more likely theories in in my very humble
00:31:03
garage opinion and those being that either she was abducted and killed by somebody that either knew her or that
00:31:12
was stalking her well I put a lot more weight into this based on the evidence of her calling people and saying that
00:31:20
this uh truck you know and the funny thing is there's twice that she has mentioned a black truck
00:31:27
and then you start wondering is it the same person that is stalking her yeah here's one weird thought though and we
00:31:34
talked about her journal a little bit now where the police have done okay so there there's been look without getting
00:31:42
too far into it the police have not done a great job on every aspect of this investigation I'll go ahead and throw
00:31:48
that out there personally I feel like they spent too much time looking in or around the river very quickly in this
00:31:56
investigation where I think they could have been looking for things to lead them to other possibilities well but in
00:32:01
their defense they did get some hits you know some scent dog hits and the other the other angle here where I don't think
00:32:09
they did a great job and I don't know who this there's probably only one person to blame here but Jody's Journal
00:32:17
that she kept in her apartment that was found in her apartment after she was abducted mhm was taken into evidence and
00:32:25
it was somehow leaked to to the media somebody had sent copies you know like photocopied the pages and sent them to
00:32:32
the media that happened from somebody within the department we don't know who did it but you bring up this black truck
00:32:40
and you bling bring up the possible harassment or was there somebody stalking her and we know that she had
00:32:46
some of these thoughts because she shared them with family she filed a police report the weird thing she took
00:32:52
self-defense classes the weird thing though is I I went through what I could find of
00:32:58
her journal online and I didn't see any me any mention or reference to those incidences in that journal which I found
00:33:06
a little strange you know what I mean like if that well it depends on what your Journal is meant for some people
00:33:11
will have a uh you know like a gratitude Journal so at the end of each day you kind of go over a lot of the good things
00:33:20
that happen and what you're appreciative for and you don't spend a bunch of time
00:33:24
on what is weighing you down right and hers appears to be a lot of career goals uh and personal
00:33:34
goals but it also does State a lot of recounting the days events right but normally in a positive light though yes
00:33:44
yes you're exactly right and that's just what I'm wondering is it maybe she was the type of person that was like well
00:33:49
that did bother me but there's no point of you know cuz some people want to go back and read their Journal here and
00:33:57
there a year later but they don't want to hear every negative thing mhm yeah that's a good point now we do have two
00:34:05
of two suspects that have been discussed much more than anybody else do you have
00:34:10
a preference on order Captain as how we get into that one is a a so-called friend of hers or might be friend of
00:34:18
hers and one was a a man that she did not know let's start with the one she did not know okay so this is a man by
00:34:28
the name of Tony Jackson so he was a man that lived just a couple of blocks away from the
00:34:36
television station where jod had worked right and she didn't live that far away from the station no and what's important
00:34:44
here is that later this man would be brought up on and convicted of three separate counts of rape so he's a serial
00:34:53
rapist that lived in the area of where she lived and work but the crimes he's convicted of happened in
00:35:00
1997 this took place in 1995 so how does he get on the police's radar well I think the way that he got onto the
00:35:08
police radar was that the media found this guy that an investigative journalist and reporter found this guy
00:35:15
and made some connections here because of these crimes being a serial rapist and then later learning that he was in
00:35:22
fact living in the area just blocks from where she lived worked right so here's what I was able to track down that on
00:35:31
July 10th 1998 the assistant County attorney who successfully prosecuted Tony Jackson for rape in Minnesota said
00:35:40
that she believes that he is responsible for The Disappearance of Iowa TV anchor
00:35:45
woman jod hen Tru three years ago quote in my own mind and in my own heart I think he did it said the assistant
00:35:55
County attorney she told the De Moine register for a story that was published on the
00:36:02
following day what she's pointing out is that this man is a patterned sex offender and then again quote goes on to
00:36:11
say knowing what I know about him this is Tony Jackson the way he has been involved as a rapist I would bet my
00:36:18
bottom dollar that Jackson abducted jod hen troop yeah but this is coming from the prosecutor that prosecuted him but
00:36:27
then there's later some uh maybe a jail house confession yeah and some information
00:36:33
regarding Tony Jackson that does not so Jackson would come out and he he actually called the the news station
00:36:41
that was reporting that he could be involved in this and he contacted them and he said look I'm not involved in in
00:36:50
Jody's abduction or murder I don't even know who she is I never met her we did not not know each other um and I you
00:37:00
know what I should clear I should clean that up a little bit Captain I can't state that he didn't know who she was he
00:37:05
could have known her from TV but he States NE they didn't know each other the two personally yeah so the the
00:37:13
things that don't look good for this man is that there were record records obtained by this TV station which is
00:37:21
WCC that found that Jackson had purchased a car the day before jod was before she disappeared what kind
00:37:30
of car I have no idea but he returned it didn't seem important so I didn't add those to my notes the important thing is
00:37:38
though this vehicle was purchased the day before and then it was returned uh just a couple weeks later uh this was
00:37:45
because the check that he had written for the vehicle had bounced mhm the other thing that's strange is Jackson
00:37:53
worked the evening shift as a at a meat packing plant mhm so the night before who's in Tru disappeared he left work
00:38:03
early saying that he had hurt his leg and was going to an emergency room now WCCO does not back up if he actually
00:38:13
went to the emergency room or not but they report that he left work early what they also reported on a possible
00:38:21
connection to H Hughes and truth's case is that the day that she was abducted Jackson reported to work but only worked
00:38:29
one hour that day well and you'd think there there'd be some kind of workers comp or something like that if he got
00:38:36
hurt at work well and also I want to dig into something a little deeper cap and you mentioned what kind of vehicle it
00:38:42
was that that is an important item because we do have the black pickup truck that we've talked about we have
00:38:49
the light colored van that we talked about the issue here though is when when doing the research
00:38:57
it was I know this it was a car it was not a truck nor a van and that's why I didn't include the actual description of
00:39:05
the vehicle so I apologize for that I I wish I would have included that in the notes other than that it was not a truck
00:39:11
or van it would have been nice if they could have found the vehicle and then did some DNA tests to see if uh Jody was
00:39:18
even in the vehicle ever a February 21st 1999 newscast suggest that who in tru's
00:39:25
body may have been buried in a silo that was near the Johnson County Town of tiffen and alleges a possible connection
00:39:34
to Mr Tony Jackson well why how does this this site come up well apparently his cellmate brings up some information and
00:39:45
says look Tony's ofly often reciting these rap lyrics that seems to be a rap that he made up and one of the lyrics is
00:39:55
says something to the effect of she started to stiffen in tiffen and people had have of often
00:40:03
speculated that that might mean he had abducted jod henu or abducted some young woman and the body started to stiffen
00:40:13
near the town of tiffen so WCCO they spent their own money and they put together some tests
00:40:22
to and they try to track down the area of tiffen of where it could possibly be somehow they tied these silos to a
00:40:31
possible area now they used their own money for Laboratory test and they they sent dogs out there there are several
00:40:39
different reports about what the dogs findings were be were to be there were three caber dogs sent out there one
00:40:46
report states that two of the dogs hit on something the other report state that that none of the dogs were active were
00:40:54
were uh hitting on anything during this search now they did remove boards from The Silo that were tested
00:41:05
and later were determined not to be linked to The Disappearance of Judy who and Tru now that doesn't necessarily
00:41:12
rule out Tony Jackson because that might just mean that they have the wrong area
00:41:17
that there was nothing to be found in that area let's go through a little bit more
00:41:23
of his information because I find this individual to be a very interesting I will say suspect okay because we have
00:41:33
him we have Tony Jackson publicly stating that he didn't he've NE he've never seen her or met Judy who's
00:41:42
in true in public right right but later a former friend of his came forward when
00:41:49
investigative journalists and and reporters were out trying to fact check some of Jackson's story now this this
00:41:56
Source did want to remain anonymous but he told a Minneapolis news crew that just before who and truths abduction he
00:42:04
had become friends with Jackson since their girlfriends at the time were close MH he says one day after playing
00:42:11
basketball that Jackson had asked him out to happy hour drinks to a bar where Jackson had said that he knew Ken tro
00:42:19
was a regular later this Source says you know I always wondered how he would even
00:42:24
know that but but the man went along for drinks wait hold on I'm confused so he says let's go get some drinks at this
00:42:34
happy hour and I know that Jody's going to be there he says to him that he knew that jod was a regular at the bar before
00:42:43
they went to the bar correct um so he goes along for the drinks I guess this was a few blocks away some kind of bar
00:42:49
called Southbridge Lounge which is now gone out of business and I actually I think it went out of business in the
00:42:56
late 90s he states that they entered through the back door and when they walked in they saw jod hen Tru sitting
00:43:04
at the bar Jackson allegedly walked right up to who's and true and started chatting her up now this former friend
00:43:12
says that he could not hear what their conversation was he was not near them when they were talking but he also we
00:43:19
also know this about Jackson that while he was living in Mason City Jackson attended North Iowa Community College
00:43:26
where he had developed an interest in broadcasting while he was hosting his own student talk show so now his friend
00:43:35
knows this about him so he assumed that the two were just kind of talking about TV and TV related things but he says
00:43:43
after Jackson was arrested tried and convicted for those rape charges he says looking back he actually thinks that
00:43:50
Jackson's interest in jod could be a sign that he's possibly guilty of having abducted her and worse mhm now there's
00:44:00
another witness that I find interesting here that they dug up years after the the um abduction this second witness
00:44:09
also wished to remain unidentified this is a female who says that she used to run past Jody's apartment complex every
00:44:18
morning right around 4:30 a.m. she stated that on that morning she says she was almost hit by a car that was zooming
00:44:26
out of the complex's parking lot she also added that she was coming up to the apartments and a car comes out really
00:44:35
fast and it nearly hits me and then I have to jump onto the sidewalk and its headlights were off as it was speeding
00:44:42
out of the parking lot she also said that just the day before the abduction at the same time in place she says that
00:44:50
a young African-American man perhaps in his teens was riding a bike outside of the apartment complex he then started
00:44:58
biking right beside her as she ran which she thought was weird at the time of the
00:45:03
morning meaning when she looks back she thinks maybe this man could be could have been following her on his
00:45:09
bike the weird thing here is as far as vague descriptions go well Jackson would fit the vague description
00:45:19
of a young African-American man perhaps in his teens as being the one on the bicycle at the time he would have been
00:45:27
19 years old so that makes it interesting and he also had a car at the time and this witness says that she saw
00:45:35
a car speeding out of the parking lot on the day of the abduction around 4:30 around that same time with its lights
00:45:42
off so as far as vague description goes that's interesting that he matches that vague description as far as this quote
00:45:51
unquote former friend story that they went to a bar that jod would frequent the thing that I find
00:45:59
interesting there is and we don't know I know that underage people do drink at bars it does happen um and probably in
00:46:06
1995 it happened a lot more than it happens today however this man uh Jackson would not have been old enough
00:46:13
to drink in that bar on that particular day in question yeah but it could have been like a neighborhood Pub where they
00:46:20
also serve food so maybe they don't ID you to get in I mean who knows right it's it's not an impossibility what what
00:46:28
makes it seem unlikely even all those things we pointed out about Jackson about not possibly not being a good
00:46:35
suspect is that he was looked at significantly now this was years after the abduction yeah but and these are
00:46:43
direct quotes from investigators that worked the jod hen tro case and one being after conducting a thorough
00:46:50
investigation which included interviews crime laboratory analysis records review
00:46:57
and polygraph examination Tony Jackson is not is not considered at this time a viable suspect in the
00:47:06
investigation going on to State we haven't been able to develop anything that will tie him in with this case
00:47:14
however that does not mean something won't come forward that could put him right back in there at being looked at
00:47:22
again so it it seems to me Captain like they were thorough with this dude it also sounds to me like as big of a
00:47:30
scumbag as this guy is piece of [ __ ] yeah hasht piece use a piece of [ __ ] um
00:47:37
I don't even think I said that right but anyway well you try I gave it a good shot hashtag use a piece of [ __ ] the the
00:47:44
other thing though that I find here about Tony Jackson as much as I like him for to be a
00:47:50
suspect I find his willingness to suggest possibly otherwise he seems to be extremely willing to one speak with
00:47:59
the media and say as soon as they come out with the report he's going no no no no no I didn't know her and I wasn't
00:48:05
involved in this look he might have knew who she was and he might have said hey man let's go get a beer I actually saw
00:48:10
this news anchor in there and then they see her in the bar and he went up and said hi that still doesn't mean he's
00:48:17
involved it's kind of a weird coincidence but that if the police are saying that he's not involved or they
00:48:24
don't think he's involved then it's I don't know it doesn't seem like there's a ton there well and that makes you
00:48:30
wonder what evidence do they have regarding that hair that was found at the scene were they able to compare it
00:48:35
to some of his hair and determine that that it wasn't his hair that was found did they compare the palm print yeah and
00:48:42
I also heard that he had somewhat of an alibi that that checked out so okay and and the thing here is too here's what I
00:48:50
wonder about though Captain it seems to me like they've been using this palm print to eliminate
00:48:56
people I don't know that that's I I hope that the wording is wrong on those reports because I think that's
00:49:04
irresponsible on their on their part right because you and I spoke about this at length earlier you and I we question
00:49:12
if the palm print even has anything to do with the abduction at all right especially if where it was found on the
00:49:18
vehicle if this was a PM print from inside the vehicle I have a lot of arguments that would suggest that this
00:49:23
person had no reason to reach in into the vehicle at all right well and you also wonder if it's on the outside we're
00:49:30
talking about she's parking one at work with a lot of people and she's parking in a apartment complex that not only has
00:49:37
a lot of people but has a lot of people visiting the people that live there and so I mean you're talking about a lot of
00:49:43
people that could walk by and touch your car well right and I would I would suspect that many of us have many random
00:49:51
palm prints on our vehicles and people that have a lot of people inside their vehicles would have different palm
00:49:56
prints as well now I think the person that we've we've delayed getting to and for good reason is the person that is
00:50:05
probably what maybe True Crime garage would consider to be the prime suspect here well I think most people looking
00:50:12
into this case uh this guy there's some red flags right away yeah and and I want
00:50:17
to go on record as stating that the police have never said that they have a prime suspect in this case but one
00:50:22
person that Drew an early Focus from police attention was Mason City businessman John Van and you've heard
00:50:31
that name before because we spoke about him he was considered to be a friend of jodies he was also a one-time re um
00:50:39
neighbor of hers onetime relative yeah good catch um he had hosted the surprise 27th birthday party for her just uh days
00:50:50
weeks before her her uh abduction well he claims that he saw our last he also claims that they were hanging out the
00:50:58
the evening before she went missing so you know what's weird about the birthday party and I think that what a lot of
00:51:04
people speculate is that John had developed an infatuation with her and and was infatuated with her and this led
00:51:13
to some unhealthy behavior and then he developed some kind of relationship that wasn't actually going on in his mind and
00:51:22
got upset with her that she didn't see things the same way that he did and he abducted her and killed
00:51:29
her I think there's some things to to that thought one the birthday party seems a little strange how well did they
00:51:36
know each other go ahead well let's start off with the they used to be neighbors 20e difference um but they
00:51:43
have similar Hobbies he had a boat she liked going out on the boat they like to golf and she mentioned multiple times to
00:51:50
family and F friends that hey we are just friends but maybe he's starting to want something more she seemed to be
00:51:59
very comfortable with JN though if he was if he was a bad guy he wasn't giving out very many bad vibes to to jod
00:52:07
because right or she just has a really bad picker she she brought him around her friends she brought him around some
00:52:14
of her relatives as well now to well let's start with the surprise party okay the thing that I felt found very odd is
00:52:24
that some point there's like these invitations or some kind of flyer poster right and it says that the party is
00:52:32
thrown by him and friends and just the fact that it's almost like he wanted he wanted the credit he wanted the
00:52:40
recognition it said that on the invitation thrown by John vanis and France like look at me I'm such a great
00:52:47
guy yeah that's that's interesting and that actually squashes one question that I had regarding that party was you know
00:52:55
was he just the connection to the bar that that that booked the event and then later media goes well he threw this
00:53:02
party for her when in actuality it was a whole group of people that threw the party no he threw the party so he won W
00:53:09
100% through the party I tell you what on the other side on the flip side it is a nice gesture for a young woman to
00:53:17
receive some kind of birthday party from a close friend yeah especially when it's
00:53:21
somebody that she's only lived in town for what a year and a half she doesn't know a lot of people outside of work or
00:53:27
outside of her very Inner Circle and in fact she comments in her journal about the party stating you know it was a
00:53:34
great time John and some of my friends threw this party for me there was there was a cake we were dancing on the tables
00:53:42
everybody had a fantastic time there was cameras there filming some of it there were people taking pictures and this but
00:53:48
this relationship could be as innocent as as John claims it is he's saying I met this young lady she's obviously
00:53:56
attractive but she's 20 years younger than me but she's very positive and she was a very positive influence on my life
00:54:04
and you know for somebody you know maybe John doesn't have a lot of friends himself so maybe this really helped his
00:54:11
life and so you know he's trying to repay this uh this new found positive person that came into his existence and
00:54:19
saying hey well let's let's throw a party for you so if anybody's familiar John Van to me looks like Greg Norman
00:54:28
the old retired golfer the the shark yeah he he has not a bad looking guy he has some similarities to Greg Norman but
00:54:35
as you said he'd be 20 to 22 years older than jod at this time now one thing I've
00:54:41
always wondered the weekend before she was abducted they went out on his boat and yes his boat being named jod is very
00:54:51
odd behavior to put it as nicely as I can nobody everybody's hearing this for the first time he named his boat after
00:54:59
jod yes the boat was named jod he named it after her specifically but one thing I wondered about Captain is his they
00:55:07
stayed at his son's house and his son was out on the boat all day with them and jod and her best friend I think I
00:55:15
said her name was Tammy right so the four of them and maybe others are out on this boat for a considerable amount of
00:55:21
time part of me wondered you know like when you jod bringing a friend along you know that's probably somewhat
00:55:29
for her could be just to have a good time or somewhat for her own Comfort level MH uh but the other thing that I
00:55:37
wondered about was is there any chance that that Jon was trying to hook up this young one of these young women with his
00:55:44
son right you know that maybe his son was single at the time and he just thought jod was the best thing under the
00:55:51
sun and thought that maybe the two of them might you know hit it off while they're in
00:55:57
each other's presence he states that there was a fatherdaughter type relationship there was a lot of people
00:56:04
on her Inner Circle that seem to think that Jon wanted more Jodie unfortunately her father
00:56:11
passed away when she was very young MH some people have speculated that she could have been friends with this older
00:56:18
man one because he could have been charming and fun to be around they share the same Hobbies but also maybe did she
00:56:25
it as a father daughter type relationship right but also just because she is telling friends and family
00:56:32
members that she thinks possibly that he wants something more she was never definitive about that I mean it could
00:56:39
have just been you know he called her pretty one day you know and she's like oh well that's kind of a new Wrinkle in
00:56:46
the relationship so I don't put too much into that I mean we don't have any proof
00:56:51
that he wanted to be anything more than just friends well the night before she was
00:56:57
abducted we have John vanis who would tell police that she was at my apartment she came over to my apartment we watched
00:57:06
a videotape of her birthday party she left around 10:00 that is the last that I have seen of her now there are people
00:57:15
that says that he seemed excited or weird when he was talking with police the morning of the abduction there are
00:57:22
also people out there that point out that John would have had a very limited amount of time to abduct her do whatever
00:57:31
and dispose of her body if in fact he was the one who did it and did it single-handedly mhm because he was
00:57:38
speaking with the police shortly after they were on scene you know within hours of them being on the scene he's being
00:57:46
interviewed by police and telling them hey she was at my place last night yeah which you think if you have something to
00:57:53
do with her disappearance you might not want to state that she was at your place
00:57:57
yeah so the interesting thing here is was she at his place and a lot of people have said well
00:58:06
why would it why would he bring up that she was at his place if if she was not and I throw into the argument then well
00:58:14
what if later you know some some speculate well what if what if he needed an alibi for that night I think less
00:58:20
likely he needed an alibi for that night because I believe that that phone call is real is real the following morning
00:58:26
that jod Amy Coon's phone call at 4:10 was absolutely real so therefore she is fine and unharmed and does not seem to
00:58:36
be worried about anything at 4:10 a.m. the next morning the thing here is though if John Van ciss is in fact
00:58:43
guilty of something maybe he needs an alibi later to give him an alibi of why possibly Jodi's DNA or hair or anything
00:58:53
of jod would be found in his apartment because then later he can say I already told you guys she was here the night
00:59:00
before wouldn't you expect to find some some evidence of that or something yeah but I mean if you have proof that you've
00:59:08
been friends with her for a while so you wouldn't have to necessarily State the day you know hours before she went
00:59:16
missing she was at my place he gave a lot of interviews in the beginning to TV a lot of interviews to police mhm in the
00:59:25
beginning he was very talked to the family a lot yes he was very forthcoming with everything some things that that I
00:59:32
think are are could be an issue the one that really stands out for me is remember we spoke about jod calling her
00:59:40
friend Kelly after 10:00 that night and this would be if all these things are true and we do know that that phone call
00:59:49
happened to Kelly that's a that's a certainty what's in question is the time that the phone call was placed so if in
00:59:59
fact she did go to John Van's home and if in fact that phone call took place at 10 after 10:00 that night that means his
01:00:06
she was fine when she placed that phone call after leaving his home his apartment she was 100% fine I did find
01:00:13
one report I found one report out there that stated that that phone call occurred at 8:40 p.m. that night now
01:00:22
there's so possibly before she went over yes or that she never went over at all and that so we know that she left the
01:00:30
golf course at 8:00 pm we have several eyewitnesses stating that was she golfing with him no she was golfing a
01:00:37
charity event that she she attended with somebody she worked with so here's what
01:00:43
I'm getting at now there are many more reports out there I want to be clear about this there are a lot of reports
01:00:49
about this phone call this is very important the phone call every one of them but one that I could find state
01:00:55
that the phone call took place at after 1: p.m. that night so this other thing is
01:01:02
either either everybody else has got it wrong or this one place reported it badly they report that the phone call
01:01:09
took place at 8:40 p.m. multiple of those reports state that the police they were able to seize outgoing phone call
01:01:18
records from Jody's apartment so they do know that the phone call took place I only bring up the potential that the
01:01:26
time might be wrong right it's wrong one of these places we know that for certain
01:01:31
if if 8:40 is in fact the correct time then maybe she never went to John Van's apartment and if he lied about that
01:01:39
you've got to wonder what else is he lying about he's guilty of something yeah why is he lying about that and and
01:01:44
I think also you know you you have um a very beautiful woman that was abducted we have no remains have been found and
01:01:56
you have somebody that owns a boat and if you're going to get rid of somebody and and have no trace or lack
01:02:04
of tracing you do it through through a boat right yeah that's interesting because even though police were talking
01:02:12
to JN early on and he would have had limited time to do anything with her you got to
01:02:18
wonder his his his home his vehicle his boats these items were not searched or in the
01:02:25
investigation so what could have happened there and you're exactly right he could you would think the first goto
01:02:31
would be use the boat to get rid of this object that you you need to hide and conceal forever this person so let's
01:02:39
talk about oh is this it's a person not an object that's fine right I I can call it
01:02:46
a body uh the thing is there's another eyewitness account that's interesting regarding the night
01:02:53
before she was abducted there is at least one neighbor that says that reported hearing somebody knocking or
01:02:59
pounding on Jody's front door to her apartment and also stating that it is believed to have heard Jody's name
01:03:08
called out by whoever was knocking on the door stating something like I heard pounding on the door open up jod I know
01:03:15
you're in there or jod I know you're home something to that effect which is an interesting thing because then
01:03:21
there's the thought was there somebody with her in that apartment at some point that night whether they stayed the night
01:03:27
and stayed until the morning or were they there for some portion of the night and then have left and furthermore if
01:03:34
there was somebody there why have they never come forward and stated I I was at her apartment that night or I stayed the
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night here's kind of what I wonder what if she's seeing somebody so she goes golfing and then she goes over to her
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buddy John's house and he's not available Bachelor for her because she doesn't like him cuzz he's 20 years
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older right mhm and she has some guy she's talking to on the side okay so then she leaves John's house and then
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she meets up with said guy right said guys at her house John comes over hey I know you're in there and who are you
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hanging out with mhm and maybe and that would be the motive I mean I guess the motive for for John
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would be that she didn't want to be with him um in a in a serious relationship so
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then he had to kill her you know right or on the flip side could Jon be the Catalyst for somebody that was following
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her and keeping tabs on her infatuated believed that they had some type of a relationship and what I mean by that is
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if they're keeping tabs on him they see she went out of town with with this guy for a weekend they then she's off
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golfing and then she's at his apartment they got some she she's out running around on me a lot of these stalkers
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believe that they are in an actual relationship well you have a boat named after her right and then this person
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thinks oh my God she's involved with this dude she's cheating on me with this dude M and decides to take it out on jod
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waiting outside of her apartment until the wee morning hours grabbing her there but back with the toilet seed up and
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beers I think that somebody there I think that really suggests and somebody knocking on the door too I really
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question that did Jon did she go to Jon's apartment or did he go to her apartment is what I really question well
01:05:36
and again with JN he was very Cooperative with the police so I don't know but if it's only one or the other I
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think there's more evidence to suggest that maybe Jon was at her apartment rather than her being at his meaning
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that we have a neighbor that reports hearing a knock on the door we have the beer cans we have the toilet
01:05:56
seat up and then on the flip side all we have is John saying that she had gone to
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his apartment now some updates uh some things that have taken place more recently regarding this case
01:06:11
is we have a search warrants that were conducted they did a search on um John's basement at the apartment that he had
01:06:20
held at the time of her abduction now keep in mind they did searches on this basement years and years after the fact
01:06:28
and claiming that they had not found anything to suggest that jod was in that basement at any
01:06:34
time in March on March 20th 2017 a search warrant was executed for GPS data on two cars related to John Van ciss now
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at the time of these search warrants John would be 72 years old and living in the state of AR
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Arizona they wanted to find out GPS data from a 1999 Honda Civic and a 2013 GMC 1500 so that would be a
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truck what I find to be interesting about these search warrants is these were executed last year early last year
01:07:18
we don't know the result of the search warrants because the warrants and the search has been sealed and they actually
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filed for this to be sealed for I believe it was for one year and then when it came near that one year
01:07:36
mark they went back to seal it again and it has been sealed for an additional 6 months so the
01:07:42
information regarding that search is sealed until October of this year what I'm guessing is maybe there's
01:07:51
some kind of lead some kind of information that those search has yielded and now that they're following
01:07:56
up on that information or using that to to further conduct their investigation and they don't want that information to
01:08:04
come out or they believe they can find what they're looking for and have not been able to locate it yet the Curious
01:08:12
Thing though is and the obvious thing is these vehicles were not even they didn't
01:08:18
even exist at the time of her abduction so what does this mean does this mean that they suspect John and suspect him
01:08:26
enough that he would have used these vehicles at a later date to transport the body of jod or that they would find
01:08:33
some evidence all those years later in these vehicles well I wish they would have done these searches earlier and I
01:08:40
wish they would have searched John's boat because the fact that we don't have a body you know having the boat access
01:08:48
to the boat gives you access to get rid of the body mhm I wish they would have done that and as much as I mean it's
01:08:58
just whose story do you believe and I do believe John's story on some level and then it always comes back to me with um
01:09:06
the briefcase why did the person take the briefcase it seems like something so unnecessary when abducting this young
01:09:14
woman to drag along that briefcase as well now obviously Captain we could talk about this case for three four five
01:09:21
hours there is a lot of information here the issue with Jody's case like others is that some of these items some of
01:09:30
these details in here kind of throw you into throw us all into a tail spin of of
01:09:37
going what if what if what about this what about that if you want more information or if you yourself have any
01:09:44
information regarding The Disappearance of jod who and Tru please use that website that we have referenced several
01:09:50
times during this these two podcasts that is findjodi.com they have more information
01:09:58
there and you can submit tips there as well and please please keep following this case and we are coming up on
01:10:05
another anniversary of her abduction so on June 27 please uh think about jod and
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