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store today better sleep starts here [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] just this afternoon revealing new
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details in the Delphi murders of Libby German and Abby Williams and also the man charged with those February of 2017
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murders a team of 13 News journalists has been pouring over the documents this afternoon Rich Nye joins us from The
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Newsroom with what we've learned Rich Richard Allen's attorneys want the search warrant of his house overturned
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and all the evidence collected there last October thrown out the prosecution's response gives us several
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new details about what investigators believe happened to Libby German and Abby Williams
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yeah investigators say that is Alan's voice and he is the man in the video taken by
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Libby's phone who ordered the girls down the hill and in that same video investigators believe they hear the
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sound of a gun being cycled and one of the girls mentioning a gun court records say the girls were then forced to the
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location where they were murdered and for the first time we learned that investigators believe a knife was used
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in the murders court records say articles of clothing from the girls were missing from the scene including a pair
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of underwear and a sock clothes from both girls were found in the creek a woman says she later saw the man in the
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bridge video walking down the road wearing a blue jacket and jeans he was muddy and bloody and looked like he had
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been in a fight police searched Allen's home last October They seized a handgun which investigators believe Allen used
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in the crime and matches an unspent bullet bound next to the girl's bodies about 10 hunting and utility knife were
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also confiscated along with a blue Carhartt jacket and other clothes Allen has admitted to police that he was
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at the Monon High Bridge the afternoon the girls were killed he said he went out on the bridge to watch the fish
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foreign garage a very interesting day here in the garage the captain and I have had
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some time to sort through the information that's coming out of Delphi and here we are to discuss some of the
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highlights within that information now as many of you know we've covered this case extensively throughout the years
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and this is a case that's always been shrouded in mystery right there's always been a a lot of what ifs or how did this
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go down what happened here who's responsible well now we have a man locked up we have a man Richard Allen
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who will be facing a trial and this double homicide case and very recently we've had
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documents that were previously sealed for the most part have been released to the public these documents have been
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unsealed their court documents that have been unsealed and now released to the public so what comes out to the public
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here is 283 pages of court documents that have been released and we've been able to go
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through all of them with a fine-tooth comb we've done the leg work so you wouldn't have to and we are here today
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to tell you about what it is that we found within those 283 pages so let's waste no time and breaking down these
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unsealed documents starting off with the affidavit from the warden yes and so what we have here Captain clearly we're
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not going to go through all 283 Pages because reading that's how many pages of court documents and man it's some dry
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heavy reading right there but what we're talking about here today are some things
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that jumped off the page to us the highlights if you will and more importantly I think too with
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some of these items we say 283 pages of unreleased previously sealed documents but in reviewing those 283 pages
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there are a lot of those documents that had either leaked their way out at some point or had been released and so what
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you have here is you have the media you have attorneys representing the media who filed request
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official court request to have these documents unsealed and for this once very mysterious investigation
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and very mysterious charges brought against Richard Allen to have more transparency
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and so the judge reviewed these requests and said sure the handcuffs are off the gloves are
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coming off here is the information that you were seeking so the first thing that caught
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our eye and this is because it was newsworthy back earlier this year in April we had the defense team coming to
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Richard Allen's defense saying that he's being mistreated that he was treated like a prisoner of war in this facility
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where he's being housed while he awaits his trial in fact I believe their statements were that he is living in
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conditions that are worse than if he were to be convicted of the charges brought against him so this is an
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affidavit filed by the warden of the Westville Correctional Facility so this is part obviously of the Indiana
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Department of Corrections and this is the wardens opportunity to have a rebuttal of this public outcry maybe not
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by the masses but at least Richard Allen's defense attorneys that he's being mistreated within this
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facility this Westville Correctional Facility right right and the warden says that Richard Allen is
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housed in a segregation unit of this facility this is for his protection he is housed in a 12 by 8 cell which is the
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standard size cell for that facility so he's not right away the warden's going to be
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pointing out how the conditions this man is being kept in are similar to all the exact
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same as all of the other persons housed in this facility with the exception of him being in a segregation unit
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they state that the defendant has a bed with a mattress and the mattress is the same mattress that all of the inmates
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receive at the facility the bed frame is attached to the floor this is specific to the segregation units because it's uh
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in order to protect the defendant from ways of harming himself the defendant is in this type of cell
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for his protection because he has made suicidal statements and could attempt to harm himself the defendant Richard Allen
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is offered time to shower three times a week which is the same as the other inmates he's also provided with three
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sets of clothing per week he is afforded commissary Privileges and has extra shirts and shoes in his cell
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but he chooses not to wear them right the defendant is not required to wear the same clothes or underwear for days
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and days on end that are soiled stained tattern or torn he can change those clothes he may choose not to
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the defendant has equal access to clean clothing as do all of the inmates the defendant was afforded the use of an
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electronic tablet where he can make calls send text and download music which is an amenity that the other inmates do
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not have so they're stating this is this is something that he has been given it's
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a privilege as far as the Warren's concerned simply put the other inmates do not have
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this tablet that that Richard Allen has that he can make phone calls on he can send text and he can download music
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now the warden goes on to say that at some point Richard Allen broke this tablet yeah so he had this privilege
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that nobody else had but he broke it like a dumbass so don't have that privilege anymore the defendant has
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afforded the same Recreation time as all of the other inmates which is Monday Wednesday Friday Saturday and Sunday
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and he has regularly seen medical personnel and met in Mental Health Counselors it states that the defendant
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is not afforded face-to-face visitation due to being in the segregation unit now that's interesting because that last
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part of the statement goes along with what the defense attorneys were saying that there are difficulties in meeting
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with their client one the distance between where they're located in the facility where he's being housed there's
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difficulties with the defendant speaking with in meeting with his family again this is due to the distance between the
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two but also the Hoops that one has to jump through once you get to this facility because Alan is stored or being
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housed in a stored makes it sound like he's a he's a product in the back of of a stock room somewhere that he's being
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housed in a segregation unit yeah and I know there's rumors that are saying that
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guards and other prisoners are telling Richard to to kill himself but let's let's not forget what he's
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what he is accused of doing he's accused of killing a 13 and 14 year old so I I really don't have any
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I don't feel bad for this individual you know he has it better than most and I think right now the conditions
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that they're in are probably keeping him alive and I think once he has to go face more
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of a the general population in prison that's not going to go so well for Richard M Allen that's a difficult thing
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for us to sit here and talk about on Mike because we do recognize that he is innocent until proven guilty in the
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court of law which has not happened yet and unfortunately there have been I'm not I'm not going to sit here and raise
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a great defense for Richard Allen there are 12 people that will be selected by the courts that
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will be given more information than we have that will determine if he is guilty of these crimes or not yeah if that's
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that's not my job but but the difficult thing becomes we do know there have been
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innocent people that have been in the same situation as Richard Allen some of them found guilty
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some of them found not guilty now but but what I think the captain's pointing out here and one thing I will agree with
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100 percent this is what he's charged of guards verbally harassing him that's not
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right yeah we get nobody's saying that that's right nobody's saying good job guards the other inmates harassing him
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if in fact this is all going down right if this let's be clear about that if this is actually happening nobody's
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saying here at True Crime garage good job guards good job inmates but what we are saying is this is not
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out of the norm typically somebody charged with these kinds of crimes it's not unheard of that they're being
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verbally harassed by the guards or other inmates that's what happens in prison that's
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what happens in these types of facilities especially when we're talking about inmate to inmate that's why jail
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and prison are such an undesirable place to be so the defense is claiming that they're
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client is not being treated fairly and now they're also saying we have not received all the information all the
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investigative information from the state yeah and again we we have really put a magnifying glass on this case and
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everything that's going on in and around the courts with this case so what I think we have here Captain is
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a lot of people becoming aware of things that are very common in these types of cases
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and people kind of wondering is this common one and two is there something else going on here well in this case
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this this I would expect okay let's let's pretend for a minute I had to hire Council to defend me against any kind of
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charges I would expect good counsel good defense attorneys to file this motion we've not we've not
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received all discovery we've not received all the state's case against our client
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you do that for it look you're you're creating a long list of checks and balances
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because in this type of case where he could end up being charged and if convicted
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sentenced to death right you are creating a long paper trail for your client of things that might be a
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appealed later so you file this motion that way if you could later prove that the state did not provide you with
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all of the information then you have grounds for an appeal you could even have grounds for a
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mistrial so this is the state's rebuttal to those claims of well we've not received all the information now I I
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should be clear here too because my understanding of this Captain is the the state has come forward
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and said we're still working on some of our case so there may be things you've not received but it's we've not built
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that part of our case against your client yet here they are going line by line and explaining why we've not sent this
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to the defense and I'm going to give you the short of it because it's I don't know it's extensive it's
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extensive there's at least 28 statements that they give in this there's probably
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more because uh I I went through and highlighted the ones that I thought to be the most important and my list stops
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at 28. again this was a review of 283 pages of documents they all didn't make it onto the show
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but the short of it is the state is saying this is information that we've not sent to you
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because of several reasons and these all fall within the rule book here one this is information that's readily
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available to you so it's not our job to provide it to you we don't have to do the leg work for you
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you can go and get this information yourself no one's preventing you from having this information
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we don't work for the defense you can go get this information the the other response is that some of this
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information is too cumbersome for the state to provide to the defense meaning like they're requesting any and
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all tips any and all communication regarding this case from the general public to the law
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enforcement agencies that were investigating the case well and we know and we know because of Carter I mean
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there's been thousands upon thousands of interactions from the public to law enforcement didn't we report one time
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that there were like over 47 000 tips that came in throughout the course of this event like so that was years ago
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right and we know that Carroll County and the Indiana State Police Indiana State Police is a big agency lots of
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resources lots of people power and they decided together that you know what we need the FBI
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to work the tip line to take ownership of the tip line for us because there's so many tips coming in
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and that was relatively early on in this investigation I want to say it was like
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20 days in and as you said Captain as you backed me up there it was like 40 some thousand
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tips and that was years ago yeah at least two years before Richard Allen was arrested
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so they're simply saying we cannot provide you with all that information because
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it would bog us down with too much work and oh by the way we do not intend to use
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all of that communication from the general public to law enforcement against your client
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meaning that it a lot of that information that they're requesting is not relevant
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now there are ways for the defense to still obtain that information and it we'll see how this thing shakes
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out because I know that a new trial date has been set for Richard Allen for the actual murder
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charges right there's going to be other court proceedings before them those have not been given dates yet but
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trust me do you know the date of the new trial I believe it was scheduled for January of 2024
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and the reason why I've I've not noted that date here in my notes is that to me that date does not seem so significant
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because with these other court proceedings that will it's not a if that will take place
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I would bet that this thing gets pushed back even further right probably summer of 2024
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and without without you and I getting too far into the weeds here we also have some speculation that this thing may it
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may drag on for a while with different Court proceedings but we may never actually see a trial right moving along
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let's go over the cause documents yes and this is pretty straightforward it's really a description of the the charge
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which is Mel murder a felony two felony counts of murder and it's the bail that was set for Richard Allen now
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this could be something that was known to the general public this is something I've never seen in writing before and I
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don't recall it here hitting the old Colonel's earballs either so uh this seemed interesting to me the bail was
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set at 20 million dollars cash or corporate security I believe is what that scribbled word is there so 20
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million dollars was the bail set for Richard Allen the next item here captain is a judgment of the Court
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so this is pretty straight forward here this is the the state has subpoenaed the CVS Corporation
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who Richard Allen worked for their subpoena subpoena in them for documents I don't think I said that
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right at all they are they are requesting demanding and people think I'm a dumbass that CVS turnover certain
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documents about an information about Richard Allen to them now we can speculate here what that is right my
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number one thing would be his Time Records for the the week and the day of the murders
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that would be key for them to establish that he was not elsewhere during that time period so that's pretty
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normal stuff and it was the defense team that then they come out and say no no we're gonna we're gonna push
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through a motion that that's unnecessary the state does not need that information
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and this is just a judgment of the court of saying the court has decided that it's fine for the state to demand that
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information and that CVS should be giving that information to the state yeah it's pretty simple you have a guy
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that's charged with double homicide and you want his work records that's one of the most common things that a state
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would do in any homicide case is request information demand information from one's employer the suspect's employer
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the next item is the state's objection to defense defendant's motion to suppress
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this is very common as well so basically what you have the short of it Captain is that you have the state
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that says here's how we built the case against this man enough to arrest him and house him until he can face trial
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and so typically what you will see is the defense team will then come out and they will file a motion that says
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we question all of that information all that evidence that led you to the arrest
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and to you housing him and then trying him for these charges and we want a judge to determine if this information
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is good if this evidence is good enough to keep him or to even have charged him in the first place very very common that
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you would look a good defense team if any of our wonderful listeners out there ever find themselves on the hot
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seat for something that they are completely innocent of and you hire a defense attorney if you
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are wealthy enough that you can hire a team in this situation I believe that the
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state is paying for both of these attorneys so he does have some kind of team here it's probably more than just
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two working this but demand your counsel demand your attorney's question everything that's
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what they should be doing they question everything and this is just further proof that they are doing
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their due diligence the defense team in this case so correct me uh if I'm wrong but the
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the search warrant that wasn't released but the Affidavit of it to get the search warrant was possibly leaked
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at some point six years of this case and so much of it uh has been been a giant question mark I can't recall Captain if
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that search warrant uh affidavit was leaked or if it was officially released but I can say
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this I've reviewed that document prior to these documents being unsealed right now
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what we do have here is the actual search warrant which is just a single page and it's the the state
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it's the judge deaner who was originally on the case before passing it off it was Judge deaner granting the search
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warrant to the Carroll County Sheriff's Department and it describes what they are allowed
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to search and what they are allowed to collect and with so much of this case being shrouded
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in mystery the these These are the type of documents that to me really tells you
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kind of what their what their investigation was and what they were looking for and so here they state that the state of
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Indiana grants this permission for the search and the seizure of property that's listed here so they're allowed to
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search Richard Allen's property including the residence outbuildings I believe there is a it specifically
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States a wooden shed that was on the property a black 2016 Ford Focus SE vehicle
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all of these and it gives the address I'm not going to go that far look some of this information again it's public if
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you want to go find it great um well thanks for being so helpful that's that's why they're here is to
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learn about it but they're talking about that they are allowed to search all of those parts of the property including
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that vehicle that is listed there and they are allowed to remove any and all evidence and information of
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the crime of murder specifically a search for handguns 40 caliber ammunition knives blue
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sweatshirts or jackets black sweatshirts or jackets clothing electronic devices a
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cell phone and they're very specific with the cell phone that they're looking for right and any other cell phone so
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that's kind of a blanket statement right you go all right we can collect this one
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cell phone that we're looking for plus any other ones and any other electronic devices located in or on the locations
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described in this document law enforcement is authorized to search these areas to determine whether or not
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there has been a violation committed as described in the affidavit at the residence
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in the yard the vehicle or any word that I do not know um so this is just giving a very basic
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description of what they're looking for what's key here and what I've always found fascinating about this case
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Captain is that in every search that they've ever done it even with remove Richard Allen's name from it
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they've always specifically and I think this is pretty common to 2023 2022 very specifically looking for
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electronic devices right cell phones tablets things of that nature now in this case it has been said
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by law enforcement on multiple occasions that they are of the belief that some of the the crimes may have been
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documented via an electronic device or taking pictures or any of those things now we've not heard that they've found
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proof of that but that certainly was as a consideration and speculation by law enforcement in fact we do know when we
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reviewed the search warrant affidavit for Ron Logan the the wording that they chose to use
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was we're looking for an electronic device that was receiving a sell signal in that area on that day and they even
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give like a window of time there so we've always wondered does this mean that they have proof we know that they
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did the data dump trying to locate all of the cell phones that were in the area within a five mile radius that day when
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the girls went missing up till a certain time of day I I don't know how long they
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extended it but law enforcement had always said that they believed everything was done and over with by 5
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PM so we've always wondered does that mean that they have information from that data dump that there was some type of
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cellular device or or electronic device receiving a sell signal in that location
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that day that they've not identified right the the user the carrier of that device
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so this is just another document that they are looking for something very similar and then that leads us to the
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affidavit for the search warrants that was granted this goes through a lot of the same stuff that we've talked about
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in the past and so I'll summarize a lot of that this is the law enforcement laying out their case
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for the judge saying we need a search warrant and here's the evidence why and they go through a description of the
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crime we've talked about that they believe they're looking for a gun because they one of the girls says gun
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to the other girl in the 43 second video that was the the recording that was on Libby's phone
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and so that's why gun is listed and we we would later learn in other documents it it doesn't go into specifics and I
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don't think that's needed but it does state that their their deaths were ruled a homicide due to
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wounds or injuries from a sharp object well it's also they were looking for a gun because they had a shell casing that
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they're going to try to match up as well exactly exactly so they give those two reasons for looking for guns and then
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obviously with the statement of what it is been determined that they were killed
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with that they are looking for sharp objects and knives and things of that nature as well so like you said they
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said gun on the video and so we're looking for a gun believing that the killer controlled them with a gun to go
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down the hill but then used a sharp object possibly a knife to commit the murders this document is a bit of a
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bummer for me here captain and that is because when you're a bit of a bummer for all of us this document
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specifically was look this just jogged my memory completely here so this document some
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form of it was released remember this was the document that was sealed per the state
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the judge signs off on sealing it and the state was saying we need this to be sealed because it has
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witness information it identifies Witnesses and remember the the defense was saying
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no we need transparency we don't think that the state has a good case against our client if the if the
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public could see some of this they may agree with us so this document should be unsealed they they said publicly we
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don't see anything in this document that warrants the arrest of our client and so
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remember this document was released but redacted well they've removed the the redactions
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here on this document so that was a bit of a bit of a bummer for me um it's not a whole lot of new
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information but it's it for those who have not reviewed it previously they're talking about witnesses that put
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somebody that looks like Richard Allen that was dressed like Richard Allen at the trails that day coming and going and
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leaving looking rather disheveled muddied bloodied uh one person describes it as it looked like he had been in a
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fight one of the witnesses says that they believe he was covering his face uh with
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there was some kind of face covering that he was wearing when when seen now none of these people were saying it was
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Richard Allen there that day on the you know on the trails but they're saying it they're all
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confirming they're all saying about the same thing and describing somebody that not only looks like the person the
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person's image that we see in in on Libby's phone video right right but also looks like Richard Allen and then on top
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of that we have Richard Allen who admits to being there that day and this does give good reason to search
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his property a lot more to get to after this quick beer break [Music] foreign we are back cheers mates cheers to you
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Colonel cheers to the captain cheers to one and all tall cans in the air and we've
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covered so many cases but it seems like this is a lot of information like you said
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280 some documents I and I believe that they didn't unseal about 19. documents out of the the whole kitten
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caboodle but uh it seems like this is a lot of information coming out before the trial
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look as much as I was on a quest for information in this case just like everybody else
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I I think this is a little unsettling to me all if again 12 people with more information
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than me will determine this man's guilt I can't sit here in this garage two beers deep and tell you 100 that this
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guy's guilty he looks really guilty I'm not going to build a Defense form but all I care about is convicting the right
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person I'm a little worried that you've tainted any type of jury pool with some of this information that's
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coming out right and some of it the the big stuff which I think will taint the potential jurors
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we've not even gotten to yet so uh hold on to your butts right hold on to your nuts and butts I hope I hope you wore
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your raincoat and Boots because there's gonna be some [ __ ] um some [ __ ] um some other information in here that I
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think the that people will find fascinating if this is it may be something they already know but there
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this document indicates that there may be video footage of a vehicle either matching Richard Allen's vehicle or a
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vehicle very similar to his scene driving what what could be assumed I've not seen this video but it's stated it's
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described here in this document that one could make an easy assumption that this vehicle is going toward the
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trails and then coming from the trails and going to the trails before the Abduction
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of murders and coming from the trails afterward yeah and this could be now this could be kind of a nothing Burger
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because we do have records of him stating that he was at the park that day but this could be confirmation of that
00:36:51
and confirmation of what vehicle he was driving my other speculation is is it possible that it's
00:37:00
video footage of not him entering the park but entering the service road into the park the one that would line up with
00:37:07
the bridge um and you know down the hill and was his vehicle on that service road
00:37:14
um that's a speculation on my part because that would be pretty damning you're on the bridge you you meet up
00:37:22
with the girls you tell them to go down the hill your vehicle was parked down there
00:37:27
this murder takes place and then you get in your vehicle and you and you leave through the service road correct so this
00:37:34
video this video evidence potential video evidence is described as coming from a store
00:37:42
and so I imagine that this is a camera that either they have in their parking lot hell we've seen how much ring
00:37:49
doorbell cameras and Simply Safe doorbell cameras are picking up people things that are going on in the street
00:37:55
in front of someone's house right uh that they have nothing to do with but these images are captured and and
00:38:02
digitized and and later able to be used as evidence against different people and
00:38:08
and one of the things that I want to reiterate when you were talking about the the initial
00:38:15
search that they did you know searching this property and Gathering clothes and and people in
00:38:22
in Richard's life coming forward and saying well he didn't throw away these clothes and and now we we assume that
00:38:29
this murder took place you know with the sharp object a knife so they collect a bunch of knives from his property but
00:38:36
what they did with the car uh is they did a bunch of luminal tests and wherever luminol hit in that vehicle
00:38:45
they cut up the carpet from the wheel wells they they cut up pieces of the seat belt
00:38:54
pieces of the seat so you would you would assume too maybe those haven't been tested completely
00:39:02
again another argument by the defense team of hey do we get the do we have those tests back yet
00:39:09
because all that information as the defense team the bigger of a pile of evidence against your client you
00:39:20
might just decide to defend your client differently based off the information that the state is providing you
00:39:28
right and so if those items if and when well I shouldn't say if or when they 100
00:39:34
they're going to test them if they if they don't test them I mean come on what are you guys doing
00:39:40
um those items have been or will be tested that information should if if everybody's doing their jobs and
00:39:51
playing with inside the rules that those results will be provided to the defense
00:39:56
that's all part of Discovery right um so yes that's that's all part of it the the thing that
00:40:04
I find uh well in fact you know what let's stay on topic here because the next item that we wanted to cover was
00:40:10
the property record and receipt this is a document that is going to take inventory of all of the items that were
00:40:21
collected from Richard Allen's home right from his property from his vehicle and you're right Captain they they
00:40:30
did do those things with with the vehicle and I I don't want to go through this line by line because it's it's four
00:40:37
pages but just to give everybody a little bit of a taste here so of course they they take into their possession a gun
00:40:49
the the Sig Sauer P226 handgun they took into possession two magazines one filled with 940
00:41:00
caliber cartridges and one with eight 40 caliber car cartridges right it looks to me
00:41:10
that the gun the six hour P226 that they believe was at the crime scene at the murder scene
00:41:19
that When They confiscated that gun that it had a cartridge with the gun they had a a single 40
00:41:27
caliber Smith and Wesson bullet in that cartridge the uh they also took like the case and
00:41:39
a whole bunch of uh cellular devices so it looks to me like the the Allens are probably like a lot of other people
00:41:45
where you you go through phones you're done with a phone and they end up in a junk drawer somewhere usually with a
00:41:53
bunch of old Chargers and things of that nature so there's a whole bunch of car chargers Outlet Chargers and old flip
00:42:01
phones and old phones that appear to have been confiscated as well now we do know that the the handgun as far as lab
00:42:09
exam goes they check that box that's stated on this document a cartridge that was they found a 40 caliber cartridge
00:42:18
found in a wooden keepsake box on a dresser between both closets in the master bedroom
00:42:27
I don't know why this bullet is in a different location than the other ones but that's the bullet that they chose to
00:42:34
to test so they would have fired that gun they would have checked that gun to see if it malfunctions or there's any
00:42:40
malfunctioning with that gun confirm that there's no malfunctions and then they would test that bullet so they
00:42:48
wouldn't fire it in this situation typically we're firing it for the ballistics test but here we're simply
00:42:54
racking it through the gun and then testing yeah it's simpler and doing a lab exam on those marks in comparison to
00:43:03
the live round found at the murder scene right and we talked so much about electronic devices well here they they
00:43:09
took at least one flash drive um I think later in this document they reference another
00:43:16
but they don't list them together because the other ones listed as a Zip drive They confiscated a whole lot
00:43:25
of sweatshirts a whole lot of sweatshirt every sweatshirt this guy had it appears
00:43:30
is on this list for obvious reasons they're trying to find the what appears to be the hoodie or jacket uh worn by
00:43:39
Bridge guy that day so a lot of jackets a lot of hoodies they took a lot of he's
00:43:44
got a lot of of sharp items a lot of knives yeah I would be surprised if they find any evidence on a sweater but look
00:43:54
I mean the criminals have been dumb for years but I think it would be a easy item for
00:44:03
him to discard especially the property that he had I mean he had a little bit of land he could have easily had a
00:44:10
little bonfire and got rid of uh some evidence I loved we talked about that when his defense team came out and said
00:44:16
look his gun his car his clothing all the things that he had that day when he was out walking the trails mine in his
00:44:24
own business uh he still has to this day that's proof that he's innocent well it's it certainly raises a bit of an
00:44:33
argument of Innocence however it's very easy to quash that argument just go he might just be a dumbass he might he
00:44:42
might have just not discarded of these items because he's lazy or he's dumb or maybe there's something more Sinister
00:44:50
and some kind of souvenir to him yeah and the thing is you know he Richard M Allen is innocent until proven guilty
00:44:57
but the jury's out on on what he looks like he he looks like a dumbass I mean if I saw him I go that's that's a
00:45:06
dumass unfortunately I've had the same said about me now a lot of sharp objects a
00:45:13
lot of knives a lot of bladed weapons found some of them decorative in nature some of them folding knives some of them
00:45:21
large so a lot of that's been confiscated from his home you have to wonder here Captain
00:45:28
you can clean those knives but we've seen this in dozens of homicide cases involving a knife often they can remove
00:45:36
the handle or the hilt and find blood that has seeped under there yeah that the the suspect was
00:45:45
unable to clean from that object they're more likely to find the victim's blood than they are to match the wounds to the
00:45:53
weapon because that is a difficult task um for for for forensics a lot of times when there is a knife used in the murder
00:46:05
they can go well we can rule out that these 10 knifes weren't used but these other five knives that he have
00:46:14
could have been used correct because a lot of times that is a little bit open to interpretation yes and so often you
00:46:22
what you will hear in the courts or even on Dateline or what have you where the expert is saying
00:46:30
the wounds suffered by the victim are similar to what I would expect to see from someone if they chose to use this
00:46:39
knife as the murder weapon yeah and think about that we're trying to without a shadow of a doubt com
00:46:46
I was like make noise what we're trying to do is without a shadow of a doubt prove that this guy
00:46:52
committed these crimes or did not prove these crimes so when you do the ballistics with the gun that's going to
00:46:58
be difficult with the casing because it doesn't have every single marking on that anybody that wants to dive more
00:47:04
into these ballistic tests and how they go down uh our buddy fig solves on YouTube
00:47:13
um just interviewed um FBI agent that does these ballistic tests and they go into depth on how this test would
00:47:22
um how these tests are oper how they operate these tests but also what is the well in this case and that that's
00:47:33
actually one of our documents that we have for review here is they they straight out state
00:47:41
this is not so much a scientific test this is a microscopic comparison right we we took the two the one found at the
00:47:52
murder scene and one that we racked through his gun same caliber same bullet racked through this Sig Sauer
00:48:00
P226 handgun and we compared them under a microscopic lens and our expert our state's expert has
00:48:12
stated it is of their opinion that this gun made those markings on the bullet that was found at the crime scene
00:48:22
so what will happen again I don't think it's an if it's a it will happen the defense team will then find a air
00:48:31
quotes expert to say I compared them as well and it is of my opinion that this gun did not
00:48:40
and maybe you might any look if you get a really honest one maybe you get an expert that says we can't rule out this
00:48:48
gun but um there's you could get an expert that says there's 21 000 other guns out there that could have
00:48:56
made this these same marks there's there's the same you know let's I don't know how many of those guns were
00:49:04
produced that type of make and model were produced but I would think that that somebody
00:49:11
could come forward and say it you could put this in any six hour P226 handgun and rack it through and it
00:49:21
would make similar if not almost identical marks so that that's something I don't know
00:49:27
have enough knowledge of but I'm letting you all know don't be so surprised when
00:49:31
that happens one this is how they have to create a case against somebody if you don't have
00:49:37
the definitive evidence again the matching the stab wounds to a knife is not definitive the the
00:49:49
ballistic test is not definitive some of these other tests that they're going to run are not definitive
00:49:56
eyewitness statements might not be definitive but certainly not you keep having a you keep building that pile
00:50:05
and what and what I think will happen is the more they build that pile and the more that the defense doesn't know how
00:50:11
to defend their client hopefully we see a a deal made and and a deal that law enforcement works with the family
00:50:22
members and and their surviving victims of this tragic crime most murder convictions are
00:50:31
built and come off of the backs of cases that are built on a mountain of circle circumstantial evidence
00:50:40
so it wouldn't be crazy for that to be the situation in here as well but like you talked about with the knives it
00:50:51
could come down to someone's expert opinion but more than likely if you confiscated all these and this guy and
00:50:58
his team are all happy about well he didn't discard any of these things it I would be surprised if this dude wasn't
00:51:09
so dumb that he didn't just just I mean you're right by the water when you killed him
00:51:15
you could have just chucked that knife in the water somewhere and hope that the current takes it or or hope that they
00:51:23
don't find it off of their first search or second search or third search and it becomes lost or buried or gone forever
00:51:29
or he takes it home and failed to remove the hilt or the handle and there is if you find the
00:51:39
victim's blood on on an item in his possession right get out the hangman because that case
00:51:46
his goose is cooked yeah we're looking for blood and mud in this case they collected as said a
00:51:54
lot of different electronic devices even Chargers and things of that nature and before we get to the vehicle stuff uh
00:52:01
note They confiscated in a white NFL Colts skull cap so if you were looking for a
00:52:10
reason to jump off of that team and find a new one um maybe maybe that's the straw that
00:52:16
broke the camel's back all right although I do like that quarterback that they got coming in watch out for him
00:52:21
he's going to be an electric um so for the car stuff Captain so they they as you were talking about They
00:52:29
confiscated they they made a sealed envelope containing a cutting of carpeted area underneath the spare
00:52:38
tire of the Ford Focus and they also collected two plastic wrappers containing one swab from a driver lap
00:52:48
belt and one swab from the driver shoulder belt of the Ford Focus and then they took two swabs from the passenger
00:52:59
side carpeting floorboard area so what they're doing here as the captain pointed out
00:53:06
they didn't really cut apart any of the seat belts or anything they just swabbed
00:53:10
them and so they're looking for DNA that would be his DNA uh anybody that's been
00:53:16
in his vehicle's DNA as well as potential blood evidence and of those three items the only one that is stated
00:53:24
that they did a lab exam was the carpet that was cut and they cut that from under the spare tire
00:53:32
this actually tells me I have a different interpretation as to why they would have done this uh than what you
00:53:38
stated previously here Captain oh you're wrong is that I'm guessing this is strictly for fiber evidence I wouldn't
00:53:45
expect to if I'm the investigator and I'm searching this vehicle underneath the spare tire
00:53:52
would be a place that I would I would think would be less likely to have victim blood or victim DNA
00:54:01
in that location as compared to other locations in that in that vehicle so I think this might just be simply for
00:54:07
fiber analysis and again that was the only sample that is noted here that was actually tested from items taken from
00:54:16
the vehicle this is probably just them doing their due diligence with those swabs but again we don't know where I
00:54:23
could be completely off the Mark here we're not the ones conducting this investigation
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