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[Music] crime police impounded the Kia sarento that was at the campsite and started
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process accessing it for Clues they also obtained a search warrant to tow and search the black 1987 Ford eoline van
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that the women basically lived out of and that was parked at the McDonald's some marijuana paraphernalia
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was found in the van but police discovered through paperwork found in the van that the women also had a
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storage unit that was paid for by one of the fathers Shawn Paul so he gives them
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permission to search this storage unit this is at the A1 Storage units where the women had a unit
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shared with the father so more drug paraphernalia is found at the storage unit we also have some cell phones and
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tablets that were seized according to the warrant it doesn't seem that there was much interest by the way of clues in
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the van or at the storage unit just to point out the obvious to everybody let me be captain and obvious for a second
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this would be so much harder to investigate because if they had a house or they lived in an apartment then you
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have neighbors that are there all the time so at a campsite your neighbors quote unquote right are constantly
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changing there's new people coming into that area every day every night and a lot of those people are either nomadic
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or they're just they on vacation you see what I'm saying so then to go back in time and start trying to collect
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evidence you don't know who was all there and especially like you said some of these campsites you're just plopping
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down your stuff and you don't have to pay for it so there's no record of who's coming in and coming out well and
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they're known to camp and move camp sites as well remember when right that was part of the problem in finding the
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girls or the ladies to begin with was that no one was really they knew that they were camping somewhere but they
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didn't know where right it'd be a whole different type of investigation for law enforcement but as far as the searches
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go if there was anything found of evidentiary value in the Kia it has not been disclosed now some people suspect
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that given the drug paraphernalia that was found amongst their possessions that the women may have been killed as part
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of a drug deal gone wrong but again it's just marijuana it's just weed it would seem very unlikely that they were killed
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over a little bit of weed but while we're on the subject of searches this is this is the most interesting one of the
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more interesting parts of this investigation to me here Captain there's another search that was aimed at
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specifically finding the killer this is per ABC 4 that says in October authorities released an affidavit for a
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search warrant related to the case the affidavit was signed on September 20th and executed on the same day in it
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investigators request a tower dump from a cell tower at Jimmy Keane Flats which is not far from the campsite
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of schy and Turner are two victims the tower dump or information dump that they're looking for would be from 9 p.m.
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on August 13th through 900 a.m. on Sunday August 15th Additionally the affidavit States this could be limited
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to those phones that are only within 2 miles of the crime scene so they needed this information from the cell towers
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because it could provide evidence of the crime or crimes of murder and in the search warrant they're going to have to
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specify this but they go as far to say we're looking for this information because it will help us with evidence in
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the crime of murder conspiracy to commit murder tampering with evidence sexual assault or desecration of a corpse or
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even rape so they're not going to let the actual crime dictate anything here in the search warrant they're throwing
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everything out there that they possibly can think of when asking for this cell phone tower information dump to come
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through so another search warrant that was executed by investigators sought the information relating to a specific phone
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number registered with at& this search warrant states that a single Samsung cell phone was recovered at the
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scene at the crime scene and is currently in evidence so the cops had found one cell phone at the crime scene
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but they're not telling us if it's one of the L's phones or not right and that's the thing we know that both of
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the women had cell phones so where was the other one and of course with this information coming out
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it's believed by the public public that this phone that they're looking for belonged to one of the women and that
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may be true according to the court documents that say as only one cell phone has been recovered we are
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currently searching for another phone that was known to be possessed by one or both victims per the search warrant
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investigators believe the information stored by the service provider SL carrier of this number could provide
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information about the whereabouts of the phone as well as other information that may lead
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to a suspect those are those are the words in this legal document right so we know they're looking for a cell phone
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it's believed it belong to one of the girls one of our victims here so investigators look they want to take a
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look at all the activity on the missing phone because they want to know if if is
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there information on that missing phone that could tell us what happened yeah cuz let's say hypothetically it wasn't
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just weed but maybe they were involved in something more that well there would be maybe some communication meet us at
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this campsite yeah but I mean anything I mean they may have taken a picture of the creepy guy they may have the thing
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that that is the big aha moment here is when you put all these pieces together what they're essentially saying is that
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one of the victims s phones is missing we believe it was taken from the crime scene by the killer right if we can get
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information that tells us about all of the cell phones and all the cell phone activity during that window of time that
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we stated during our search warrant we think that that information will help lead us to find this missing cell phone
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and once we find the missing cell phone we likely have our suspect because again
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we believe the killer took the phone now of course this gets complicated because
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the cell phone tower information that they are looking to get would end up telling them the name of every
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individual who was within a 2 mile radius right during that time and of course we also have like a situation
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like with the guest at the ranch there's 100 guests there at that wedding that we
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already previously discussed that's a whole bunch of additional people that they are not now
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going to have to look at asked questions of and these are other people that that
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have to be vetted that that may have taken that cell phone as well so it's it's no easy task but it seems like a
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very smart route to take here when they are looking for this killer now if anything specifically has come of these
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searches it has not been fully disclosed but yeah like you were saying though if
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you're in law enforcement you're going the Killer's probably on this list probably on the list and if he you know
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or most likely why does he take one cell phone but not the other one was is it the only one that he found at the scene
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why did he take it there must be something on it or some reason that he chose to take it and such a horrific
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crime and we have these victims that seemed like everybody in their Community really cared about that there were
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unique individuals yeah kind of seem like these minimalist van living almost hippie in a in a sense
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nomadic life lifestyle and for such a horrific crime and and like we said before you have law enforcement coming
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out saying well we don't think the community is in danger I I disagree with that but because of the location and the
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time frame some people would think that this case was possibly connected to another high-profile case yes so by
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September of 20121 there was another case and the other case was dominating the headlines
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at the time and this kind of put Crystal and kylin's murder case as far as the public eye was concerned a little more
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on the back burner but this other case also complicated things in the double murder investigation because law
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enforcement had to devote a lot of man hours to determining whether the cases may or may not be connected and of
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course if you all remember back to late last year you know that we're talking about the Gabby petito case Crystal and
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Kalin were last seen Crystal and kylin were last scene on the 13th except for the unconfirmed gas
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station interaction on the 14th on the 12th the day before they were last seen at Woody's Tavern Brian laundre and
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Gabby petito were pulled over after someone called the police for assaulting Gabby in front of the moonflower
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Community co-op in Moab remember the co-op was where kylin worked as a cashier right now Moab does not have a
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lot of murders and for there to be three to high-profile cases with such a specific Nexus seemed very unlikely as a
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result it C as a result it catapulted Crystal and kylin's case into the whole Gabby petito mess so the damage to
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Crystal and kylin's case caused by this distraction we really don't know the level of that the eyes of the nation
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were on Grant County Sheriff's Office and they had to devote time and resources to both looking for Gabby and
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also defending themselves against allegations that they were to blame for Gabby's death because they didn't arrest
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Brian for assaulting her and worst of all they had to spend time investigating whether Brian laundry could have killed
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Crystal and kylin because not only are they in the area but they're they're living the similar lifestyle van life
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and basically this nomadic lifestyle going from one campground to another campground and it's like is is this the
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creepy guy that they were talking about the night before well and to this day and you know
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without giving away too much of a spoiler alert we've had significant advances and updates in this
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investigation in the double murder investigation but still to this day there are people out there that believe
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that this is still a possibility that Brian laundry is responsible for for the double homicide as well even with these
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significant advances and updates in this investigation yeah and and we believe that it's just kind of happen stance
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that these cases interconnect with each other but I don't believe that they're connected and any way other than the
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location a MOAB man camping in Cortez filed a police report this was a a big significant Advance here in this
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investigation and this is really interesting to me because Shawn Paul schy the the father of one of the
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victims he came to the area to Moab with the purpose of helping solve his daughter
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and daughter-in-law's murders and he set up what he was calling a clue Booth where
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people could drop by and submit a tip to him and he could he was really trying to
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help investigators and round up people and set up a a a location where people could come and might feel comfortable
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sharing information that they have how ever important it is to the case or or otherwise now so this tip comes from one
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of his this was one of his clue Booth tips where a MOAB man ended up filing a police report and the News reported that
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they obtain the incident report confirming that a 9mm Turkish made pistol was reportedly stolen along with
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a Turkish made shotgun and bolt action hunting rifle now note that the Grand County investigators have never
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discussed what type of ammo was used to kill the women or what type of shell casings were found but Shawn Paul the
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father was full of information which may or may not be correct but he posted it so we're going to review it and it says
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this is big news we now know we are looking for any leads on a hot 9 mm it's a silver colored 9mm bullet it's a very
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specific ammo the private inv investigation the private investigator Jensen explained what he reported was
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that a Turkish 9mm was stolen and what he's talking about is custom a custom 9mm so this is a uh would be a rare
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almost one-of-a-kind unique gun that that he believes that the private investigator believes that they should
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be looking for and that the ammo may be it's very specific ammo is what he's saying that this this could be you find
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the person that has this or had this in their possession you likely have found the killer well yeah and he's stating
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this law enforcement's not stating this I wonder if at this point if law enforcement is freaking out that he's
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releasing this information well not only that he's also releasing information that's saying that police question a
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person of interest and so while you have police they're not up front and center telling
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us everything that's going on in the investigation as this investigation drags out the information that the
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victim's father was privy to he's now purposely putting some of this information
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out he's probably not feeling so great about the investigation the the the further and the longer it drags on right
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it'd be tough to be in his situation if you feel like this is a clue that needs to be out there I would have a hard time
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holding in that back mhm because I obviously your emotions are running wild but you don't want to tamper with the
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case so much where you you're not able to get a conviction but this seems like like you
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said you find this gun you have found the killer yeah and one person that this is possibly the individual that that the
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father is saying police spoke with or could be one of their Persons of Interest in this case it was a man that
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that came onto their radar after he was pulled over for speeding and the officer was a
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veteran law enforcement officer and decided not to write a speeding ticket for this individual because the
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individual creeped him out so much that he didn't want to have to take his eyes off of the the person so he decided I'm
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not going to write a speeding ticket just so I don't have to take my eyes off of this person because he thought that
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this individual was acting incredibly odd for being pulled over for speeding and then some interesting things that
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might make this guy a good suspect is this guy worked at the moonflower Co-op and knew one of the victims so he worked
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at the same place um he it sounds like they never worked together or directly together so I don't
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know if he worked there prior to this or or if they just never worked the same shift or what have you but the man did
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admit that he knew kylin admit that he worked at the moonflower Co-op uh he was vague in his response when he was asked
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about his interactions with kylin uh he frequented the the co-op before he started working there
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and it's rumored that he gave her a rose at one point so this man he himself was
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homeless at the time he was living in campsites and out of his car he told the deputy that he would often sleep out in
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the open by himself including a spot along Lal Loop Road so we don't know who the creepy guy
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was but this guy's admitting that he would camp out in the general enal area where the spot that that kylin and
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Crystal were killed right so could he be the creepy guy that that's unidentified
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well he's a creepy guy well yes we know that because the officer saying hey he creeped me out was he
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bearded um I don't know a whole lot about this guy to be honest with you because we're hearing this story
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secondhand um the the initial information comes from Shy's father sounds like a bearded turd pot to me but
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the information we have Captain says that police yes they did interview this man they did look at this man but when
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asked about his whereabouts for Friday Saturday or Sunday August 13th through the 15th he says he could not recall
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other than to say that he would travel to a spot that he often slept in as it was away from other people this man did
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refuse to allow police to search his veh vehicle but he did direct them to his campsite that he was currently staying
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at and it's reported that when police went through his campsite They seized two blankets and a jacket with blood on
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[Music] that [Music] all right we are back an arresting case that we have here going for us Colonel
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cheers to you cheers to the people in the back cheers to you captain and yes so the man that we are talking about
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here he's asked obviously several times during the course of these interviews and when he's walking with police
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showing them his campsites and such if he killed the women and of course he's saying time and time again no he did not
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kill them even though he's not able to really provide a a really good Alibi for where he was during the the course of
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that weekend that is the time in question here now despite all of the information and some other information
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that is out there on this IND individual it states that police and law enforcement they really looked at this
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guy and through all of their their searches of his belongings and his vehicle they don't end up finding
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anything that would link him to a crime to this crime specifically right either so they are going to let him go and they
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do kind of they do tell the public at some point that we're not so interested in this guy
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anymore um that's why we've decided to move on from him we have nothing that puts him at the crime scene we have
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nothing that tells us that he committed this crime and so they're really just spinning their tires if they stay honed
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in on this individual this would lead us to that significant press release that took place January 19th of this year of
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2022 remember this case is not very old now during this press release back in January authorities confirmed that they
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had narrowed the date of death to August 14th so even though that one police spokesman uh Lieutenant Neil said that
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they weren't sure if the gunshots they had on audio remember the they told us they had some kind of audio file he's
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saying publicly we are not sure that the gunshots that we have on audio were the
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gun shots it certainly seems that the investigators must believe that to be the case because they are they seem to
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be able to pinned down the murders to the 14th right but again this is unless the remember the cell phone that
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they're looking for have they found that cell phone what do they think would be on that cell phone or is there something
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there that is telling them that the that the murders happened on the 14th it's a
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fascinating thing though that somebody we we know of this crime people are talking about this crime locally and
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that there's this wedding going on and then they go hey we're trying to capture this moment this family moment of this
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wedding but we have something that's of interest that might be connected to the case that that's pretty fascinating but
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do we have any other evidence like this in this case well and again that could lead to why they believe the murders
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happened on the 14th because in this same press release it's also acknowledged that the investigators had
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gathered quote video evidence from nearby properties so we don't know exactly what that means or
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what other proper home security V video yeah we don't we don't know what the information is or where it was collected
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from other than that statement video evidence from nearby property so any of that could be telling them that the
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murders took place on the 14th as well interesting the press release also confirmed confed reconfirmed uh that the
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investigators were still working with the FBI on the case continuing on with this press release we have the sheriff's
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office requesting that the Moab community be careful about sharing information on social media such
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information tends to be misinformed inaccurate and unhelpful to the criminal investigation if not dangerous the
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Sheriff's Office says so they seem to be referring to the Public's insistence on
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continuing to try to link Brian Landry to this case right as we discussed earlier the press release said that
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Brian and Gabby had been ruled out of any involvement uh in in the case that we're
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discussing here today but most importantly Captain the January press release contained the following
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statement the Grand County Sheriff's office has several Persons of Interest but has not yet identified a suspect
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yeah no suspect yet until Fox 13 released this news we continue to follow breaking news on the double homicide of
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kylin schy and Crystal Turner the Grand County Sheriff's office has identified this man as the suspect in their
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murders kylin and Crystal were found dead in August of last year since then kylin's father has been pushing for more
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answers Fox 13 news anchor Brian schne is live in Moab this evening as we learn more about the connection between
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between the suspect and these two women Brian the gr County Sheriff's Office says that Adam pinkowitz worked with
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Crystal Turner at a local McDonald's he was one of many Persons of Interest early on in this case and when they
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tried to interview him and locate him they could not do so now pinkowitz lived somewhat of a van lifestyle it's not
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believed he even had an address here in Moab they also believe he had only been in the area for a few months Grant
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County Sheriff's Office learned that he had been of the laau mountains and Moab around the same time as the homicide the
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Sheriff's Office says they recently received information that prior to him committing suicide pinkowitz told
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someone that he had killed two women in the state of Utah Sheriff Steven White would not say where pinkowitz and his
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vehicle were found but it was out of state they believe he committed suicide back in September of last year kylin
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Shy's father very emotional still trying to really has put a lot of time and energy still trying to really rally the
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community throughout the last few months to share every bit of information that they had he told us today the name Adam
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pinkowitz is a name that he had heard while collecting his own Clues on this case they have a suspect who killed
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himself last year who I believe admitted to killing the girls before he killed himself
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so Grand County Sheriff's office was right the case is very solvable I can't believe I picked up a
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clue on Adam pinkis in my clue booth in the park I cannot believe it the only other thing I can say is
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that I hope they can process the evidence and close the case soon um and and it's my mom's
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birthday here's a very special moment between Shawn Paul and Sheriff Steven white with the Grand County Sheriff's
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Office Shan Paul told us that he began to heal when Dog the Bounty Hunter and his crew arrived a few days ago he
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believes that dog and his team were instrumental in the information relief release from the sheriff's office which
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can ultimately provide a sense of closure for the families involved Grand County and the Moab Community now the
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case is not closed and it remains an ongoing investigation the sheriff told us that he doesn't know of the motive or
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what may have led the suspect to commit the crimes and murder the two women in the lals they're still trying to gather
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more information and they encourage you to contact them if you have more to share we're live in Moab tonight Brianne
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Fox 13 News what a startling Revelation there that the police have had a suspect
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one that they liked from very early on in the case and that it seems to be that this Adam pinkowitz is responsible for
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the murders or at least the sheriff's department was willing to state that publicly and announce it to everyone
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very interesting to see the suspect brought into the spotlight and that we are told that this is the person he has
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been identified as the suspect in this still ongoing investigation interesting too he committed suicide and this Adam
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person tells another party that he had killed two women in Utah again not incredibly specific information but
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according to this release that I have in front of my eyes here from the office of
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the Grand County Sheriff's Office it states on this document that not only did he tell another party that he had
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killed two women in Utah but also provided specific details that were only known to the investigators at the time
00:35:20
well that's key when you have so many people that want to take credit for these high-profile crimes but yeah he
00:35:27
was a bearded turd pot but we also had that suspect early on that we like well there's a weirdo that possibly works
00:35:36
with um kylin at the the the flower place at Moon Flower Co-op yeah the moving flower
00:35:45
Co-op so the fact that this guy was connected actually to Crystal at McDonald's was kind of interesting yeah
00:35:54
the official statement is that Adam was a former employee at the McDonald's that
00:35:59
Crystal worked at located in Moab Utah and he was identified at the time as one of many Persons of Interest being
00:36:06
investigated by the gr County Sheriff's Office stating that the Sheriff's Office
00:36:11
made numerous attempts to locate and interview Adam could not find him through continued analysis and
00:36:18
collection of evidence the Sheriff's Office learned that Adam was in leles and Moab at the time of the homicides
00:36:26
and had left the state of Utah shortly after the the homicides and then later committed suicide and in the release
00:36:34
that I'm looking at here Captain the Sheriff's Office was asking for information on this individual asking
00:36:40
for information about his vehicle the whereabouts of his vehicle around the time in question which was a black 2007
00:36:49
yurus now the news report that we played you came out in if I'm correct it it came out in May 11th of 2022 so so where
00:36:59
are we at now or were they able to test evidence against this guy so they can actually close the case because I hate
00:37:07
it when they go look he's our best suspect we we think he's the one that did it and we're just going to close the
00:37:13
case well it looks like as of the date of recording this conversation we are having here captain that the case
00:37:22
technically remains unsolved while we have them going on record stating this is our suspect we have evidence and we
00:37:32
have reason to believe so much so that we are announcing this and confirming this to the public that we the police
00:37:41
feel that this is the most likely suspect for the killings of these two women and his name is Adam and here is
00:37:49
his picture we would like to have more information about Adam we would like to have more information about his vehicle
00:37:57
his whereabouts the whereabouts of his vehicle especially during the time in question that weekend in question from
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the time when they went missing to the time that they were eventually found having been gunned down yeah and this
00:38:11
this one's difficult for me because there's been a lot of people that point out maybe a
00:38:18
glaring conflict about Adam is if he worked with Crystal Crystal know who he was and so
00:38:29
when they were at the bar that night talking to their friends saying hey there's this creepy guy that's camping
00:38:35
by us wouldn't they identify him by name yes one would think so but again we also
00:38:43
don't need the Killer and the creepy guy to be the same person true and we don't
00:38:49
know again it's we sit here from 30,000 ft away right you know and I know that's
00:38:56
kind of the random distance that I keep throwing on these cases but that's how I
00:39:00
feel sometimes I'm sitting a little closer than you are though we are you know we're eyeballs deep in these cases
00:39:06
but at the same time we have to remind ourselves and remind others out there listening of the simple fact that we
00:39:13
can't look at this situation and just start making leaps of our own right we can't assume that oh they work together
00:39:22
so they had to know one another now there are people out there that have reported that are closer to the
00:39:28
situation and have reported that they believe that at least one of the women would have known this Adam person
00:39:34
because they work together but again we don't know did does that mean they actually work together at the McDonald's
00:39:41
at the same time yeah or did they or they seeing this weirdo in the middle of the night now he's got a beard and he's
00:39:48
dressed completely different he took my damn point sorry yeah yeah know because if yeah it's like here's a bearded guy
00:39:56
his face would be pretty covered with the beard and you're seeing him at night and so it's like yeah you might know who
00:40:03
he is it's like I would know who you are if I saw you during the day but if you just pulled up to a campsite from a
00:40:12
distance I I might be like well that guy looks similar to Nick but if I didn't get a good look at your face in the
00:40:19
light I wouldn't know it was you well and we also don't know what the conversation was between them and their
00:40:24
friends at the bar you know right there's this creepy guy oh do you know who he is it's because it sounds like
00:40:30
several people in the area were experiencing this van life and who knows they may had a had a simple answer of
00:40:36
yeah we've seen him around Moab we've seen him camping at places before no I don't I don't know if I know his name
00:40:43
but yeah I I don't think that you know to say that this is not our guy it seems like police have a lot of reason to
00:40:51
believe that this is the guy and I feel like it probably goes Beyond him just telling this person that he prior to
00:41:02
killing himself that he killed two women in Utah one that's a that's a big hurdle
00:41:07
right but again we're hearing that secondhand the interesting part to me is we know very little about the crime
00:41:14
scene because police rightfully so held a lot of that information back but in their release about this suspect they
00:41:24
specifically say and go out of their way to tell us that he also provided specific details that were known only to
00:41:32
investigators right there's something in his statement to his his person his friend the confession the confession
00:41:41
there's something in that confession that when this man or this person relays this information to the police their
00:41:49
ears perk up and they go wait a second yep he shouldn't know that information he could have known the number of shots
00:41:56
he could have known something that was very specific to the crime so this is where we are still asking for help and
00:42:05
police are still asking for help and with this case being relatively recent they're still hoping and thinking
00:42:12
that there's somebody out there that may have some information may have seen something witnessed something heard
00:42:17
something have something on their cell phone in a background picture or background of a video somewhere that may
00:42:25
have been in this area that weekend that's in question and they are unaware yet that they need to be coming forward
00:42:34
with information so the Grant County Sheriff's Office is still looking for any information regarding this adom
00:42:43
individual and his vehicle which again is a black 2007 yurus well and hopefully they'll be able to test different pieces
00:42:53
of evidence and they'll be actually able to close this case cuz it would just be
00:42:58
a shame to me to have law enforcement put all this time and effort in you know not in taxpayers money and the whole
00:43:07
Community working so hard to try to get uh answers to this horrible crime and if
00:43:15
it just sits here on the Shelf not solved um it's just an injustice and I'd hate to see that there was a recent
00:43:23
article that came out in August of this year we're talking just a few days ago actually called The Justice files father
00:43:31
of murdered woman confident who killed her um this is from abc4.com and they're talking about and
00:43:41
talking with sha Paul schy the man who really LED and spearheaded the the drive to help find his daughter and then to
00:43:52
find information get evidence figure out who was responsible for killing his daughter and his
00:44:00
daughter-in-law and he says that it's the confidence it's the way that law enforcement and unified police are
00:44:08
speaking with him now they can't tell him what they have but they are telling him that once they hand over the case
00:44:16
files to him once this is all closed and the case is done they're going to hand over the files to him and they've told
00:44:23
him he will be shocked by the preponderance of evidence so this is really putting a lot of confidence in
00:44:31
the statement that they have the right guy that law enforcement believe that they have the right guy and the father
00:44:38
also believes that they have the right guy he goes on to say that he meaning the killer was very careless at the
00:44:45
crime scene and even though there was multiple types of ammo used that they still he still believes and law
00:44:51
enforcement still believes that it was only one person with one weapon that committed this crime he does go on in
00:45:00
this most recent article to say that yes Crystal turer his daughter and this Adam
00:45:06
individual the suspect did have at least one or two interactions directly with one another so they did know each other
00:45:16
but this is the father saying that we are confident that they got the right guy again they're still looking for
00:45:22
information he says that they know that that he fled Adam fled Moab after the women were murdered and then it was in
00:45:30
September of 2021 that Adam committed suicide but to this date they've not named him as the the killer yeah law
00:45:41
enforcement is going to do their due diligence and like like you said in this article they're stating we have a
00:45:48
plethora of evidence and it's not just that he fled that area it's also that he confessed to somebody and then committed
00:45:58
suicide and Shan Paul schy says yeah 100% we're talking about Adam being our guy we're talking about him acting
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[Music] alone thanks for joining us here in the garage the flying garage ship like the
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we are recommending trailed one woman's quest to solve the shannond DOA murders by Catherine miles this is a non-fiction
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account that reads like a modernday thriller we recently recommended Trail but this week's case we're recommending
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it again because this week's case that we covered here is just too eerily similar to the Shannon DOA murders case
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so check out Katherine Miles book trailed I think it's one of the best true crime books to come out this year
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