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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] so it looks like Captain there might be a break or at least some saying there
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could be a break in the Indiana investigation into the Del if double homicide that took place two years ago
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roughly two years ago in 2017 February 14th um the article I'm looking at is from NBC News and they're calling this a
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break in the quote down the hill murder mystery I guess this guy was arrested in
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Randolph County Indiana yeah which I don't know exactly where this guy was living or if he even lives in that
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county but he was arrested by Randol County and we're talking like a 2 and 1 half hour drive roughly from that area
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to the deli area so this is not particularly extremely far away the thing for me that jumps off the page
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right away and I know that we might have different feelings about this I'm sure others do as well but personally I think
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the guy looks at least like the drawing and then the composite drawing of the suspect in the deli double homicide but
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but there's also some argument how much the composite drawing actually looks like the guy that we saw on the uh
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camera footage right and that's where it gets hairy I mean you got a lot of armchair detectives that have looked at
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this case and because you have a drawing people have been able to take Facebook profiles and any picture of any possible
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suspect online and compare it with this drawing and there's been plenty of people I mean especially when we cover
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this case probably for 3 months to six months I was getting people sending me a picture
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hey don't you think this looks like the guy mhm well yeah there's going to be a lot of people that look like this guy
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right um I think again like you said we don't know how close to this drawing is how accurate is this drawing
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mhm but we also don't know I cops have released a couple couple pictures and there was a little bit of audio and
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that's all that's been released now do they have more footage I'm I'm assuming yes mhm because from the pictures they
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released I don't know how you could do a drawing so this stems from this article
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saying that some have said that the mug shot of Charles Andrew alridge uh who was arrested on charges unrelated
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to the murders looks like the police sketch of a suspect and the thing here here is the composite drawings are tough
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you know this is always a very difficult thing for investigators in these cases because while you're charged with
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wanting to release the drawing to the public because I mean you obviously you need public help you need the leads the
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other problem that happens with that is the reverse of that I should say is the problems that that can create it's the
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overwhelming leads that come in of oh my ex-husband looks like this guy or some dude that I didn't like at this store
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looks like this guy it's a lot of this guy looks like this guy and now these are a whole bunch of leads that are yeah
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they need to be followed up on but they're also it's troubling for the officers investigators involved because
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it could be sending them down the wrong path a hundred times over yeah or you take a case that you're really close to
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like the Amy mahalic case you have a composite drawing that looks exactly like a a suspect
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well the the that one is weird because we've seen this in some other cases too there are in the Amy's case there are
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two popular composite drawings and in my opinion those guys it could look like to
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me they look like different people yes and I agree and if you really dive into that case a little bit further you learn
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that there was actually three composite drawings released it was these two that they later settled on as believing to be
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more accurate right but then there's a part of you that goes wait you settled on these
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two but they look like different people mhm so how can you settle on the two right it makes no sense well you in that
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case you had two eyewitnesses and they both had a different description of the person they saw talk to no and I I
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understand that point but what I mean by that is like that would be like me holding up a picture of this guy actual
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picture and then holding up a picture of another guy and you go well those are two different guys well but that's what
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we got mhm you know so I understand why they they're doing it because they're putting it out there hoping that anybody
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knows anything and and what we were talking about Loosely when when you look this up what I
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wonder is we have with this Charles suspect we have a guy that clearly has some facial hair I mean he has some
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Scruff so in the drawing we have some Scruff okay so that is similar obviously well like I was telling
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you people that know Charles did he have a goatee for a while and then when this
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drawing came out did he just decide well now I'm just going to go with a mustache
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for a while because I don't want to go with this goatee cuz I look more like the drawing and the other thing too is
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you have this bushy hair on the side in the drawing and now you have with Charles it looks like he um you know
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like a two guard or something haircut on the side so pretty high and tight you know it's like one of those
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things where did he have longer hair and then did he cut it and people that know
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him or close to him would know the these things but what's weird though too is and I'm not trying to be funny but if
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you look at where his nose and his eyebrows connect you know it's pretty much a butt right so he has a you know a
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butt right in the middle of his head and that's not shown on the the drawing and
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I would think that would be a detail that they would be able to to um um you know it' be so dominant of a
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detail that they would put that in the drawing mhm well it's going to sound like I'm talking out of both sides of my
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face here but the thing is but I assure you he's only talking out of one hole right um with this comparison we're
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talking about a 2-year difference in time hair is easy to change the nose to me looks very similar uh but then again
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we're we're looking at a close-up composite drawing of an individual that may have only been seen on on cell phone
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camera footage from a good distance away yeah so I mean let's you know maybe instead of just nit picking at the
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picture because that's what's so weird is I've got this picture sent to me at least a 100 times oh it's a Dead Ringer
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I don't see it that way I could see that he kind of looks like the drawing and that's all you need really cuz the the
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drawing is not going to convict him no it's going to be what evidence do they have in the trial and the and not in the
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trial but in the case but again with this case is very difficult because we're assuming that they have DNA we
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we're assuming that they're testing individuals and then that's how they're ruling out some of these other guys that
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have looked like the drawings that have done crimes that would be similar to the
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I was like the one guy that they arrested in Colorado he's attacking people on a trail mhm that's the same
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exact scenario of crime so here we have a different situation let's talk about Charles's crime what he
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was actually caught for well well I think this actually would link him to the possibility of being a good suspect
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because this is from a a January 21st article from this year so it's this is extremely recent
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but they state that Charles Andrew Eldridge age 46 was arrested on January 8th on child molestation charges after
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messaging with an officer posing as a child according to Randolph County Sheriff uh art moist Mosner I think is
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how you say this uh the arrest has no connection to any murder according to police now keep you got to keep in mind
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what he's saying there is there can be speculation by the General Public public out there but at this time he's not
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connected to any murder may he be at a later time possibly they're they're definitely going to look into this guy
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it's interesting that he looks similar to the composite uh he might fall into that age range I believe they said that
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they thought they were looking for someone possibly 45 to 50 years old he's 46 years old rough you know so he could
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have been 4544 at the time I don't know his date of birth but then you have these the
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charges of trying to lure a child is what it appears to me that he's going to be charged with and we have an officer
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posing as a child who gets messages from this guy and they go out and arrest him
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yeah so what's that show uh To Catch a Predator mhm it's a kind of similar situation they set up a sting
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operation and then once they actually arrested him he claimed that he had sexual accounts with another girl under
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the age of 1 so this guy is you know completely a sicko so yes but those aren't violent crimes we don't
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know of any violent crimes now what is interesting though too is and this is going to be like the cousin's brother
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thing so so hold on hold on to your seat for that so it people believe this monster right Charles
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his ex-wife's grandparents okay okay right so he was married her grandparents said that when
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they saw the picture on the news for the deli murders they instantly said hey that looks like Andy well they that's
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what Charles goes by okay is Andy so they said hey that looks like Charles so is that something I don't know they
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probably don't like this guy he was probably a creep anyways he was probably a creep why they're married so they
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probably don't like him but I I wonder did they call this guy in as a suspect that's a good question that yeah did
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they did they do anything with that information that they thought that they had two years ago or is this just them
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publicly distancing themselves from this guy that is a creep and that they have some kind of
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relation to real quick just just a quick uh throw this in here for anybody that that might have any information the tip
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line is still open still available it's 844 459 5786 and this is one of those weird
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cases we talked about this when we covered it we were what just 6 weeks away from when the murders happened when
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we covered it I believe but here we are almost two years later still armed with all that information that we thought we
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had I mean there's no better way to get a good description of a guy than to have
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surveillance footage of him and well right and it's it's it's it's weird that it it's shocking to me that almost two
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years later we don't have the guy in custody yeah but that's where it makes me believe that I I think this person
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that committed this is a heinous crime these are heinous murders but this is done basically out in the open so I just
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think it's a whole different level of animal that we're dealing with here and I I would believe that this animal would
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be in the system and that is what makes me wonder if they have DNA or not I mean
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I wish they would just come out and state whether they did or not um I mean that and I know maybe that's given too
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much of their hand up but that's where it becomes very difficult they also say uh his former in-laws describe him as a
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lazy bum who never worked or took care of his two kids so now we now we know that Charles has two kids mhm and they
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say why our granddaughter ever married him is beyond me uh they said that Charles once masturbated on the floor in
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front of his wife and her friends and that he was a violent gii Joe wannabe with hell of a temper according
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to his former brother-in-law uh sounds like it not only it sounds like they nobody liked
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him in the family and probably for very good reason yeah so then the other thing
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is on social media Charles is a devoted supporter of President Trump um and he also talks a lot about his guns now I
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don't believe there was a now there could have been a gun used in the crime to control the victims but we don't in
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the deli case right but we don't actually think that there was well I I would think that likely
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there was some way of controlling the two girls um Abigail and Liberty who were Abigail was 13 and Liberty was just
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14 years old and I say that I believe that there was some way of controlling them and you and I have talked about
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this plenty of times obviously the the most easiest way of controlling an individual is to wave a gun at them or
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point a gun at them and I feel like we have we have this thing that happened okay so they're out in the woods
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basically out on these Trails having a probably a good old time and then all of a sudden they are thrust into a
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situation that no one could comprehend no one would believe would happen and I feel like you know we have the proof
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that they were brave because we know that they they took the risk of getting an image of this guy and recording his
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voice right so we have that bravery level that is that is just over and Beyond what most of us would probably do
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in a situation mind you their children I almost feel like they whoever did this double homicide had some form of
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controlling them I don't think that these two girls I think they were too tough I think they were too brave I
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think that if he would have just shown up with no weapon at all I don't think they were going to go anywhere with him
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right but so we have to really figure out though you know where where he is located do we have an alibi for that day
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because from what I roughly looked up on the Internet this is not like you know 10 minutes away right this is a little
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bit further of a drive um also says that his ex uh ex-wife's grandmother said that he used to try to get children to
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go into the woods with him I never let any of the kids go with him I never trusted well she says Andy again Charles
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again like if if he's trying to get children to go into the woods with him maybe you should like call the cops if
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you think there is something serious going on right you know I mean like I I wonder like I said this guy is a dirt
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bag this guy is this guy is a piece of [ __ ] wrapped in a piece of [ __ ] okay but
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but is it is this guy uh was he arrested and now it's just you know his uh ex-in-laws talking [ __ ] about
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him you know what I mean like cuz there like I said trying to solicit uh a minor as much as that is an awful
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probably to me one of the worst things I mean I can't stand pedophiles wor you know just worse
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individuals but is that a pedophile that's also a murderer well I I get what you're saying
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with the mo being completely different but if one thing's going to get you to change youro will be that your face is
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plastered all over the news and everywhere out there along with a a short clip of your voice saying down the
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hill um if if this guy I don't think that changes your M Mo though and well and we but hold on
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I mean if if you if you almost get caught doing something if you expose yourself in a way that you didn't
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believe would happen dude this guy's fine with exposing himself I mean he jerked off in front of her friend no I
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get not only is he jerk off in front of the wife for the sake of a of a of a conversation here or argument you trying
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to fight no but I I don't understand why you think that this wouldn't change or or encourage someone to adapt their emo
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well but what we've seen in the past what history tells us is these people ramp things up they don't they don't
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they don't create a murder and then go back to just you know fondling kids or trying to have sex with kids if this was
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the first murder there will be more from this individual so what I'm saying is I
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don't I don't disagree with you but we also can't say that Theo has changed because he contacted a child
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under the age of 13 that just so happened to be a police officer mhm if that child wasn't a police officer and
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was a was actual child like actually a child then what happens to that child that child could have been murdered as
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well we don't know right see what I'm saying so it's like yeah the mo we don't know you can't even say it's different
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because we don't know what would have happened if he would actually no and that's what I mean that's part of my
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point though too I I thought you were going down a road to suggest that I don't think it's this dude because this
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seems like a completely different Mo where I would argue both sides of that would be one we don't know what his
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Realo ever was right and two if if that was his one time the way that he did this double homicide I could see good
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reason for him changing how he goes about finding his his next victim because it's not so much about oh I my
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thing is you know my thing is getting kids into the woods with me right it's more so about finding the victim making
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the connection to a victim who knows let's say Let's Pretend now we've got to be completely transparent here
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everything here is just speculation we don't know if this Charles Andrew Eldridge is even connected to this and
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hopefully we'll find out more as time goes along but who's to say that let's say Charles Andy whatever he you know
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let's just call him Charles okay so Charles let's say cuz he doesn't want to be called Charles he goes by Andy so
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we're calling him Charles cuz you know [ __ ] that guy but who's to say he wasn't
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messaging girls two years ago three years ago trying to get them to meet him somewhere and it never worked out for
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him I I I believe so and out of frustration out of some kind of desperation on his part he decides I'm
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going to go out in the woods and wait for them to come to me you know and one thing we talked about when we covered
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the deli case who's to say that that individual wasn't out there just watching and waiting for the
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perfect opportunity for them to find a victim right and what what we do know was he was
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soliciting which like we said turned out to be a police officer but he did confess now he probably won't be charged
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with that but he did confess to have multip multiple sexual encounters with another under 13-year-old girl so I
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wonder here here's my thought on that I wonder if police investigators were already hip to what he was doing and
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they lured him in in some fashion right with this uh undercover agent which I mean really this goes back to that
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documentary call me lucky uh without the work uh that was done in that d documentary they would not be doing this
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stuff today they would not be um going into these chat rooms and going into these
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different online Avenues to lure these these monsters out out of their Woods right mhm so that's pretty interesting
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now I hope you know what I'm saying there's two things is what I'm saying I hope Charles is the guy I hope that we
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can have some kind of um closure as far as the case goes that somebody that we can charge and is responsible for these
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murders and then we know that this monster is off off the streets the issue though is like with
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the family like Liberty's family they they talked about uh where was it somewhere in the article it said
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um when they get calls like this or they find out information obviously they want
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to be op optimistic but once we get a call that says hey we made made arrest and uh We've confirmed that it's the guy
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right and and here's another situation just like the guy from Colorado well he was from Indiana but had the crime in
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Colorado and he looked like he matched the the drawing pretty he looks similar to the composi yeah and so you go okay
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well for their family this has happened so much that when right when I saw this picture and it doesn't look like the
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drawing to me but again that doesn't mean it's not the guy and I just feel for their family
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because is this another way of getting their hopes up and then that we're just going to come out you know in a couple
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months and say oh it's not the guy but you know one thing that makes me feel good about the investigation the ongoing
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investigation and the Public's help and assistance and response to what happened
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in in current events as well is one thing this shows me is that the public has not this case has not gone cold for
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the public they they still seem to be involved in and like I said the the the headline of this article is some have
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said that the mug shot of Charles Andrew Eldridge looks like the police sketch and so I I think that the the
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troubling thing here is like you said what DNA evidence do they have because it's not going to be a oh you look like
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this guy therefore you're guilty right it's going to have to be physical evidence that gets a conviction in this
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double homicide I mean and his whole thing with confession his confessing too is a lot of times these guys and when I
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say that I'm referring to the the deli killer these guys when they're picked up on lesser charges or they're caught in
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the act before they are actually trying to kill someone or take someone's life they will confess to just about
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everything cuz they don't want to be looked into as much they don't want people to take a deep dive into their
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background right and you know you you have to wonder is he just going yeah I've done this I've done this I've done
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this Deli I don't know anything about it you know and trying to get trying to get
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himself cleared and move forward with being charged with whatever they will eventually charge him with um you know
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you have to take that into consideration well my hunch is that they don't have DNA and the reason why is because when
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initially when they arrested the guy from Colorado it they kind of alluded to the fact that they thought he was
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involved in the delik murders yeah and then months and months go by and we don't hear anything and then he's only
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charged with one thing and then they say he's not a suspect in the deli murders I
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think this would happen within a week and so this guy you know Charles now is arrested and if we had DNA we're talking
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weeks now this was published the article I'm reading from is was published uh January 26 MH so only a couple days ago
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so but what I'm saying is within two weeks we should see some DNA testing because that's how
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this this this case is number one in as far as Indiana goes yeah so you would think that they go hey and look be the
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nice thing about DNA is that if the DNA matches then guess what FBI and law enforcement can do they can show their
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hand they can then tell the public hey this guy is a suspect and you know why it's DNA matches mhm and they don't they
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don't have to hide that from the public because that's that's like this evidence
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that you can't argue against once you go to trial so it's like you know and and then you know that the defense has that
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coming but um what's well the Colorado Trail Hatchet guy whatever you want to call
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him I guess guess at some point we should actually have his name but I didn't you know we we we started down
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this path to discuss this new arrest Charles Eldridge um but with the the guy from
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Colorado who was once from Indiana it it's weird because that whole thing like it went weeks without them
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really saying if he was involved or wasn't involved it was months yeah it was just speculation for the longest
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time but you did have I believe it was Liberty's family at first uh her grandfather's name is Mike Patty and you
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had Liberty's family coming out very shortly after and I I think it was just a couple weeks afterwards saying we
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don't think he we we've been given information to not believe that he was involved right and they thought the
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public responded poorly to those statements because what what I say what I mean by that is that the public still
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held this individual from Colorado as being the prime suspect and and Liberty's family felt that that may have prevented
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possible leads coming in during that time frame now again you do have investigators that say this guy that guy
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was cleared the Colorado guy was cleared it it would be interesting to know what
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cleared him because I'm with you I question what DNA they have could they have degraded deteriorated DNA that that
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might be just enough to clear the Colorado guy but not enough to clear somebody else you know because we've had
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people honed in on and looked at under the microscope of investigators in this case but we've not had any charges
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brought forth well again interesting thing that you bring up CU my hunch is that they don't but then if you look at
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that situation then when did they tell the family when did law enforcement say hey we don't think this is the guy and
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that might have been pretty quickly and if that was pretty quickly then then my hunch changes and go well they do have
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DNA and if they told them quickly you know within two weeks hey this guy he's not our guy I went to one of the deli
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talks at last year's crime con and we met well we met one of the grand we uh I believe we met um Liberty's grandma Yeah
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Yeah Yeah and and at one of these talks I had relatives from both families as well as the U sheriff in charge of the
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investigation and now I'm going completely off of memory and I'm and I'm probably reading between the lines of
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things that were actually said but regarding the individual from Colorado who was a suspect at least in the
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Public's eye I believe that they said or alluded to him being cleared as a that they were
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able to prove he was not in the air area at the time yeah he had a solid Alibi yeah and and I and I don't I don't want
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to make that you know etched in stone concrete statement of that like I said I'm going off of memory here but I
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believe that that's CU I my whole time I'm sitting on the edge of my chair going are they going to say anything
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about DNA at this point right and I I think that they they either outwardly said or alluded to that he was proven to
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have not been in the area at the time time again we don't know exactly all the information that that
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they were using to come to that conclusion yeah but this is where again I think we just going to go on a small
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rant time me I'm going to try to do it less than 30 seconds MH the media needs to do a better job of just being right
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and not first your job is to be right your job is to be truthful and and yes do you have to put this out there but
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it's just like here's these lines you know uh it was a sexual conversation on social media when the hookup happened he
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discovered his 13-year-old virtual whatever that is he discovered his 13-year-old victim yeah the 13-year-old
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victim or the 13-year-old kid he thought he was talking to was a cop and then when his mug shot was released question
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mark gasp he's a dead ringer for the suspects of the Del F killer and I just think
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that's it's just irresponsible you know are they saying he's a de dead ringer or
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or they saying that that some have said no that's what they're saying who is they uh the Toronto son so it's just
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that that's what I'm saying I just think it's this is what happened with I mean there's been five or six guys that have
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been arrested and everybody says the same thing he's a Dead Ringer okay let's just you know let's just quot you know
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cool our Jets you know we'll we'll get to the bottom of this I does like I agree with you though his
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actions lead to believe that he is capable of this oh 100% so therefore and then does he look like him yeah is he a
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Dead Ringer I don't think so but I don't even think you'd call him a Dead Ringer
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I personally I think he looks more like the composite again that's my stat he looks more like the
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composite than anyone else that I've seen presented to me now again how much is is the is the composite a dead ringer
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for the real life suspect right is what you have to question I think the nose is
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very interesting to me I think the nose looks almost spoton I try to stay clear of looking at the hair too much you
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there was a um and I can't remember what case it was that we covered but there was a detective in one of these cases
00:32:29
not somebody that we spoke with uh directly but somebody that I we had read reports from newspapers and and I
00:32:36
believe it was in a book but um he had said one thing that he always used when trying to identify a suspect especially
00:32:44
like in a robbery or a holdup where they have surveillance footage and the especially stuff that's released to the
00:32:52
public because a lot of times these guys won't know that they were caught on tape
00:32:57
until they release it to the public seeking The public's help right and he says you know you can change a lot of
00:33:03
things about yourself but one thing that this detective said that he always used
00:33:07
was he loved when they would get a a profile uh visual of the suspect committing the crime because he always
00:33:15
looked at ears he always thought that was his go-to was ears don't change hair changes facial hair changes but the ears
00:33:24
especially you know in a short period of time you know your ears to van your ears
00:33:28
might change over years and years and years you know getting bigger or whatever but uh he liked to look at the
00:33:34
ears for me I look at the the nose here because we don't have a profile of the composite or this uh Charles loser but
00:33:43
uh the nose looks very similar to me okay so here here's one of the things I want to bring up when when we were
00:33:51
talking about talking about this this week is here here's the thing that I I'm just put it out here
00:33:59
so um it says um the killer was described as a white male between 5'6 and 510 now I wouldn't say 510 is short for
00:34:12
a man but what I I'd definitely say that 56 is on the definitely on the shorter side for a man and that weighed between
00:34:21
180 and 220 so we're talking about pretty short and stocky now reddish brown hair he has the reddish brown hair
00:34:30
so then I go was he between 5'6 and 510 and this article says sounds like Charles mhm so it's like I don't know
00:34:43
it's like that we know he's 46 how tall is this guy mhm because if he's 5'7 5'8 I'm going hey that's more likely yeah
00:34:54
but but the other thing too is you have to wonder how solid are they on those Heights you know I bet they're very
00:34:59
solid I mean we have okay cuz what we do have is we have the video footage so now
00:35:04
we have technology that they can just like you know measure somebody like on film MH like that you
00:35:13
can do that stuff in Photoshop so easily now so they would have a really good idea because they have a picture of him
00:35:20
we can measure the tracks he's on right and if we know how big those are then we're going to know probably within I
00:35:29
bet they know they're saying 56 to 510 that's within four inches I bet law enforcement has it within two
00:35:39
inches that's well and and you're right and the thing is like you said it's it would
00:35:45
be using a good point of reference and what you have in the deli case is you have the picture of the man on the
00:35:52
bridge the guy that we were referring to is the bridge guy you have him on that wood plank bridge and you you could do
00:36:01
the math you could do the angles you could work it and you could come up with a pretty pretty good version of how tall
00:36:08
you think this individual is now you mention height as being of importance and if it certainly is that is one of
00:36:17
the things that has led people to believe that this other guy Thomas Bruce age 53 who he committed murder in
00:36:25
November of 2018 that's how he became a suspect in at least in the Public's eye you know and Thomas Bruce
00:36:35
was a guy that I didn't think he looked like the composite at all um I but you know what I I I shouldn't say it that
00:36:43
way because with some of these guys like what what I want to ask you when you say
00:36:46
you don't think that this Charles Eldridge looks like the composite I I want to say my follow-up
00:36:53
question would be well does he not look like the composite and and my thought on Thomas
00:36:59
Bruce was I I don't think that he looks like the composite but I don't think that between the two I could rule him
00:37:06
out just by I mean he doesn't look different enough from the guy to say that it's not him you know this Thomas
00:37:14
Bruce is is a Caucasian male we're looking for a Caucasian male the in the Thomas Bruce case he was actually
00:37:21
unknown they didn't catch him red-handed right away he went into this uh this Catholic store and I I apologize for the
00:37:29
the calling it that I don't know what it was called called the Catholic supply Catholic supply okay so he goes in there
00:37:36
he pretends to be shopping or at least says to the people inside the store that he is just browsing or just looking
00:37:44
around he leaves the story comes back very quickly likely I'm guessing he went out to fetch his gun from his vehicle
00:37:54
and he goes back in and he he is now taken the three women inside the store hostage he takes them to the back room
00:38:04
and there he's going to sexually assault all three of them or at least attempt to
00:38:08
do that to all three of them and one of the women uh fought back and she said look I'm not not going to do whatever
00:38:17
you're telling me to do right and he ends up killing this woman now he gets caught and we have a great description
00:38:24
of him because of leaving the two other Witnesses and this is where he gets on the radar in the public at least I've
00:38:33
not seen anything I've heard with all these you're going to hear the same thing and and I say all these let's say
00:38:39
the flavor of the week flavor of the month whatever because it's good to me to know that this is enough in the
00:38:46
Public's mind and still on the Public's mind that the public are presenting suspects even if it's just saying hey
00:38:52
this guy looks like this guy that's good enough for me we we we don't ever want to lose the Public's help or the
00:38:58
Public's interest in solving this horrible double homicide so what you have here is once they catch this guy or
00:39:05
at least once they release the uh description of him people were saying hey this description is not unlike the
00:39:13
deli killer right you know the the height was similar uh Caucasian male and the other thing too is what this appears
00:39:22
to me to be is in the deli case and with Thomas br Bruce both of these guys now that Thomas Bruce's case I think took
00:39:31
place in St Louis but in both of these cases it appears to me a a crime of opportunity where Bruce walks into the
00:39:41
store he sees three women there alone and he goes out and gets his weapon and comes back and takes everybody
00:39:49
hostage it it w it wasn't targeted if it was targeted he would have went in there
00:39:54
immediately and taken the person hostage and same with the deli thing I my gut tells me here on the deli that we have a
00:40:02
guy that showed up there and was looking and watching and waiting and it became an opportunity for him to to take
00:40:11
somebody Hostage to he found his victim by that opportunity of of just happen stance yeah and we've seen this before I
00:40:20
mean with different killers that will hike Trails just keep going you know they'll they'll hike a new Trail and
00:40:28
they're going to they're looking for openings they're looking for um where somebody becomes vulnerable they're
00:40:35
looking for an easy target yeah is what it is and yeah so I mean I don't know this guy again this Thomas guy to me
00:40:42
looks as much as like the drawing as Charles now if somebody wanted to argue and says I think Charles looks more like
00:40:49
the drawing I'd probably agree there the nose seems a little more similar but again how much is this drawing like the
00:40:57
individual that's on uh film so um I do think what is interesting is if you look
00:41:06
at uh Thomas Bruce you look in the shoulder area mhm the head neck shoulder area it it looks very similar to me of
00:41:17
the pictures that you see in the deli murders but again everybody has shoulders so you know what I mean it's
00:41:26
one of those things where it's like is he the guy now now there is some speculation that they think that they
00:41:31
have some Thomas Bruce fingerprints at the deli sites but I don't think that's been confirmed or denied right right and
00:41:40
when they were looking for Thomas Bruce they said they were looking for a white man about 5'8 in tall 40 to 50 years old
00:41:47
so again that's not unlike the description of the deli killer now I'm looking I'm I'm looking over your
00:41:55
shoulder here at your computer and it looked like you had two different two very different pictures of Thomas
00:42:02
Bruce uh one where he's wearing glasses and has quite a bit of facial hair and then you have the other picture of him
00:42:09
once he has been arrested and now he's much more clean cut during the arrest photo where he has just a a mustache
00:42:19
and other than the mustache little to no facial hair you have to wonder like I I
00:42:26
wonder was I don't have the full description of him when they were looking for him because I have
00:42:31
everything that was released after they found Thomas Bruce but well you have to wonder did he disguise himself going
00:42:40
into that store you know is the the the picture that you have on your computer more accurate of him at the time of the
00:42:47
crime where he's going into the store with with a lot of facial hair a beard with knowing that if he does go out and
00:42:55
do what he's attempting to do does he then you know has he altered his appearance in advance to change it back
00:43:04
to normal to his normal after committing this terrible crime well and just to stay on my
00:43:11
rant because I I actually like journalists I I think they have a very important role to play in our society
00:43:21
and when you have articles like printing about Thomas Bruce and and it says five
00:43:29
facts you need to know right it says stuff like that he worked at a uh Jewish Community
00:43:37
Center and that uh he volunteered as a pastor MH okay so that's something you might need to know and then it goes on
00:43:47
to say stuff like on his Twitter bio Bruce writes um decorated Navy vet and truste
00:43:57
shellback # M A and then one of the things the other thing um Bruce attended Donald Trump's November 6 rally in
00:44:12
Missouri okay so my point being is what does this have to do with anything you know what I mean like the
00:44:23
next fact is you see what I'm saying like yeah but this I mean this is crap journalism that's what I'm saying it's I
00:44:32
I see this stuff and go these are not five facts you need to know about this person like do a do a better job of
00:44:39
writing an article that says like five facts about what you need to look for yeah but here's what I do I Char I
00:44:45
charge the public with this I charge the public with this if if if people quit reading and quit buying and quit paying
00:44:52
attention to bad journalism it will go away as long as everybody clicks on it reads it subscribes to it and and buys
00:45:01
into it it will never go away right but here's here's the part you're missing you can't put this on the public because
00:45:10
if you're a true crime addict just like I am right you see Thomas Bruce five facts that you need to know you click on
00:45:19
it they are once you click on it yeah but again I'm charging myself with that that wouldn't be my my go-to website
00:45:30
that when when I see something that says five facts you need to know I've been a
00:45:33
victim of that bad journalism in the past and I've learned from that and go you know what something if something
00:45:39
says five facts I need to know I I've learned enough along the way that those are probably not facts that I need to
00:45:46
know I've seen I've seen some good five facts it's it's crap you know like so it's you know we get we have to
00:45:54
learn look it it it's it's the whole thing and and maybe I am missing something I don't know but but what I do
00:46:01
know is this well what okay but if if a company makes a a terrible hamburger terrible
00:46:07
cheeseburger but they sell a million of them they're not going to change the cheeseburger they're going to keep
00:46:12
making the same cheeseburger until they quit selling them and that that's that's
00:46:17
all I'm saying is that as long as there are people listening to it reading it buying into it clicking on it it as long
00:46:25
as it's doing whatever they're intending for it to do with the information they're releasing whether it be bad good
00:46:31
or in between right They Don't Really Care at the end of the day if people are paying attention to it now if everybody
00:46:38
turns their backs on them and says whatever you know I'm not going to be a part of this anymore that's when they
00:46:44
have to either die out as a company or change what they're doing right but that's the point that I'm trying to
00:46:51
explain to you that you're missing is it doesn't matter if it is Thomas Bruce five facts you need to know or Thomas
00:46:59
Bru's suspected um killer and the deli murders if that's the headline you might click on it once you click on that thing
00:47:09
they already got what they needed to out of it because they're going to get paid
00:47:13
from the advertisements and and things like that once you click that backs up my point yeah that that it's doing how
00:47:19
does that back up your point it's doing what they're intending it to do whether it be good bad or in between right the
00:47:26
again what you are missing is you we have a true crime show and we should talk about True Crime instead of arguing
00:47:32
about good oh well it's when somebody says to me well I don't click on the five uh
00:47:39
facts of that I just know better and what I'm saying is you can't know better because the the no I've been a victim of
00:47:46
that what I right here's the point that you keep missing so let me do you want me to talk slower so you can understand
00:47:52
it because I can do so wow you could call this Thomas Bruce suspect in Deli murderers
00:48:01
case now are you clicking on that because you're interested in it possibly right so you're not a dumbass for
00:48:08
clicking on it I'm not saying anybody is a dumbass for clicking on anything what
00:48:13
I'm saying is you can learn from past experiences and if you've figured out along the way that something is not good
00:48:21
is not of good quality if you keep going back then then eventually you're the one
00:48:26
to blame and I don't mean you specifically or anybody out there specific to that but if the five five
00:48:33
facts you need to know comes from heavy.com well then maybe you don't like heavy.com in the future
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