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foreign [Applause] [Applause] well and that's why I think it's important to examine the possibilities
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and the reasons why this has not been solved and I think one thing that we can get into captain
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and part of it that we talked about last week was I kept referencing maybe the investigators have just been unlucky
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maybe you know because you see this and you're like we got we got the video we got the voice we have eyewitness
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statements they worked with FBI and and again they might have DNA and I'm gonna quit saying might I'm going to go with
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they do okay I think that probably very quickly into this thing they realized that they had
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DNA and they thought this thing was going to be over and done very quickly and then it took a while and they
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realized this dude's not in any of the systems we can't we can't track this guy down that we have nothing to compare it
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to and I think that's why you see there was a delay in putting uh take taking that
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still image and then releasing the actual short little video there and then there's the delay between that short
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that that still image and the sketch the original sketch that comes out because what that didn't come out till
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what June or July of the year of the crime there were several months that went by so here's
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one thing where I wonder that one thing let's get into a bunch of things where they've been where investigators may
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have just been Unlucky One the no match of DNA we've already talked about that two
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I think I'm starting to think that the bridge guy's appearance on the pixelated video May almost give a false sense of
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his actual true appearance and I think that that's working in his favor and working against investigators
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for one thing when you first see the video right when you saw the still image didn't you think we were looking for
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like a pudgy guy like kind of a kind of a fluffy fat guy or or at least slightly
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overweight but then later when they released the video and you see the individual walking
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you can see that those pants are the the jeans are a lot baggier than what his actual legs may require right when you
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see that leg move you almost see that the legs are much thinner than those jeans chicken legs and then you have to
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wonder how many layers of clothing is that's the thing that I wonder why if for some reason he did stand out and
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he must have in some form or fashion because we have witnesses or believed witnesses that think that they saw him
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on one of the trails I I don't know that it the the detecting factor for them would be that oh I saw a
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guy with wet jeans because we went through that conversation last week you may not have
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been able to visually see and determine that his genes were wet right they may have just appeared to be a darker shade
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of blue but it was a warm day for February to me the guy looks at least on the you know the upper half of him looks
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to be very overdressed for the temperature that day it almost appears that he's wearing a
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hoodie or or something of significance underneath a jacket and one thing going in his favor too here again I believe
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that there's there's a collar to that jacket there's a part of that jacket that's sticking up at one point and he's
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looking down to watch his feet his foot placement on that bridge that's concealing his face a little bit
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he may be wearing a hat or that might just be wearing a hoodie with the hood up that
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I I feel like we're we're getting a false sense of his true appearance because it is a pixelated video now
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here's here's the thing you were talking about do we have more video footage I think that there's more video and this
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is pure speculation okay pure speculation don't don't put on the blog untrue I'm saying it
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this might not be true I'm just guessing here I think that they have more video footage
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unfortunately I don't think that there's so much video to watch what I mean by that is I think that shortly after
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Libby was filming this guy on the bridge and he's very quickly making his way we're not seeing that clip in real speed
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I don't care what anybody says I we cannot believe we're seeing that at real speed
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[Music] I think at some point she had to conceal her phone from him either hold it in a way that she's not
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filming or it's not obvious to him that he's being caught on camera or she stuck it in her pocket and that
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might that might be the reason why we're hearing the words and it sounds muffled
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guys down the hill it may sound muffled because it might be in her pocket right and
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I think that her I think that she did the video was running and filming it just might
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not have had anything additional to film because it was concealed in her pocket and I think that her phone went dead so
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quickly anybody that's run the camera feature I mean well camera feature and or the video feature
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the video recording feature on their phone realized that kills your phone very quickly yeah and they were saying
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very quickly her calls were going straight to voicemail they weren't ringing anymore and I I think that this
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guy very likely did not know that he was filmed did not know that his voice was was caught on her right on her phone and
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and he left the phone there because look I I don't want to give this [ __ ] any credit but
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he's smart enough he he's smart enough that he's got away with this so far well let's not say smart because that that's
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one of the things we're lucky enough well I I think I got a better word for you I one of the things that they were
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kind of talking about and profiling this individual is he organized or disorganized and so I think there's a
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lot of evidence that shows that he's organized uh and then but then not taking the phone that seems like
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disorganization well you could take that either way I was thinking about that too
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not taking the phone you go oh that's disorganized he didn't didn't plan it out didn't put much thought into it what
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if he what if he did put thought into it in advance and he said I'm not taking any of their phones because what if they
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trace their phones they can trace you know what if they follow the pings on their phones to me because I took them
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with me what if what if he destroyed her phone at the scene not knowing that it captured any of his image or anything
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like that because the phone's dead by that point or if he just just left it there or tossed it in the water
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yeah and oh tossed in the water is an interesting thing too because we talked about the clothing right the victim's
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clothing last week we were talking about where they found clothed where they found
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where they found was the clothing in fact ever even found if they were if it wasn't on their person
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I still don't know the answer to that but I did find I did find some info that was saying that
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um clothing may have been found in the creek and this would be the point of Deer
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Creek that would be nearest where their bodies were found so when it's but again it's a very vague
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broad statement of clothing found in Creek we we don't know if it belonged to the victims
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we don't know if in fact that there was clothing found in the creek but what I can say this is when when they were
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searching for the girls there were helicopters that were flying overhead and they were filming some of the search
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that was going on for the girls they'd not found the bodies yet you can clearly see three or four
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Searchers and the reason why you can see them is because they're wearing those those those red
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like suits head to toe suits they're wearing these red suits and they're in the water and
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there's clearly there's something there with them they're they're examining something
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that they found there again that could have been the victim's clothing could have been an item discarded by the
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killer that belonged to him could have been a weapon yeah I mean yeah something was found in that water
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we don't we just don't know what the significance is one of the rumors I come hearing this week was that they were
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actually found um but they were wearing each other's clothes so whatever they were wearing
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before that switched and again this is you know just one of those random rumors and then it becomes well weren't they
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both wearing jeans is it possible that the shirts were just changed um who knows
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um but yeah I mean there's again we talked about that a bit and to me that would almost imply that the Killer
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redress them right or dress them it doesn't have to mean but that's what you're saying your mind goes they're uh
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size wise they're a different size girls and and but I could see a situation where you know the the pants
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were put back on correctly but maybe the shirts weren't sweatshirt yeah so it is it's a weird rumor it's
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one of those it's one of those things that when you first read that or see that it kind of you're like whoa yeah
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what is this and then I really start thinking about it I'm like well we have a very short window of
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time and there's a chance that a lot of things might have had to take place during that short window of time
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I don't know that I don't know that we have the time to redress the victim and get that wrong
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afterward yeah I I don't know and again the source that I have gone back to I brought this
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up and again it was something that they just didn't want to comment on but normally that like I said there's
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been several times where I've said oh you know I've asked questions they don't want to comment on it and that normally
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meant it was it was correct so but I guess I shouldn't assume that well and for anybody out there wondering where
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we're coming up with this info because you know I'm sure somebody's going well they've not released even the cause of
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death for either girl they've they've not released very many things true to the crime scene right so what is this stuff
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you're even talking about well the way that this works for my understanding is that some of keep in mind there were
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search parties out there looking for these little girls some of these rumors are believed to
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have stemmed from people that were actually involved in the search yeah and may have found the girls or may have
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been in there was a team across the creek at the same time that the team on the other side found the girls so that
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we have this whole thing where we have multiple people that were in that area may have seen something that's not been
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released to the public and may have spoke and told somebody else of what they saw what they witnessed during
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those searches again or again we have just made up stuff right but from from people
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elsewhere that are that are claiming to have heard something yeah but it's also such a small town
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three thousand thirty five hundred people yeah something like that it's just like like we've talked a little bit
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about it but like the Pike County murders um it happened in an area where I used
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to work but you know a long time ago I'd work one day a week in that in that town
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and just knowing some people from that town the rumors that I heard were not things that you would hear
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I mean it would have made a fascinating um probably 10 part episodes on the rumors that I heard you you heard like
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hours of rumors we're talking detail detailed theories yeah with people's names and motives and why they did this
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and why they did that why what's still going on today that's in relation to this specific Theory and you
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heard multiple theories that some of them would have taken three hours to explain and then then when the news
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broke that they solved it there's none of them it was none of those theories it was yeah
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uh but I was trying to make it a long story short basically there was tons of these rumors based off of this guy that
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I worked for um and there was all these weird rumors surrounding him and I worked for him for
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a long time so I ended up calling him after I heard all these rumors and asked him what he thought it was
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because this guy was very close to the family um every member of that family adult
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wise actually worked for him at some point you know as like a freelance contractor or whatever
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and he simply said to me that he thought that the involvement this was all based around the custody of
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of that girl and when he said that and this guy is a guy that he likes to exaggerate everything so you would think
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that he would want to tell these crazy Tall Tales he said no I simply think it was a dispute based off of um custody
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and then once they arrested the family up in Alaska that's pretty much what it all you know the Pike County murders was
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all about was that custody issue um so so it's strange I heard a million rumors and they were fascinating and
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they were great tall tales um and that's what I'm afraid that is going to start happening here
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well I mean in a sense it has a little bit where you have all these people that are now considered suspects by the
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public and then never publicly cleared by law enforcement I'm guessing they've checked these people and probably not
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too interested in a lot of them um but you not only did you have that with the arrest of certain individuals
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you also had that with the search warrants that were being filed and executed very quickly after this
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this case broke right right so the the first one that hit the news was a a home a property on bicycle Bridge Road was
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searched on February 16th three days after they went missing two days after they were found this location is
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approximately five miles from the monin High Bridge a nine minute drive from the area this was searched and I
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don't know I don't know what their outcome was I mean obviously no arrests were made in
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this in this search but then you have another search that took place in a town called Peru
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Indiana this one took place on February 25th this is a different a good amount away
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this is 37 miles away a 56 minute drive from the bridge the third search took place in Lebanon
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which I think one of the one of the suspects or one of the suspect's friends that we were talking about last week
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Garrett Kurtz yeah was from Lebanon which is not um so this says my notes say 54 miles is
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the fastest route and the so this would be an hour and six minute drive from the bridge I do want
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to point out with the Lebanon search the the papers were saying that they were uncertain of the the exact date
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that the search warrant was executed uncertain of the exact address known which makes me wonder if it is in fact
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connected to the Delphi murders or if it was just a search that was executed and
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people people's you know Minds right right we're we're filling in the blanks and and that's what they came up with
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but obviously one that was connected was the fourth search and probably the most
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public of all four searches was in Delphi Ron Ronald Logan's property but they didn't execute that search
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warrant until March 17th now we all know that Logan eventually gets arrested for illegally operating
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his vehicle but I mean this is a guy if he's not connected which I don't think that he I don't think he looks
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like Bridge guy I don't think his physical description looks like Bridge guy I don't think his facial or hair
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looks anything like what I'm seeing on that little bit of little bit of footage on Libby's phone
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um so if this guy is not connected he's been looked at very thoroughly he's been
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arrested on other charges we have to believe that if in fact they are well he would have been arrested before you
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would be required to give the the DNA I guess I'm assuming now that he's in prison
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that that they have that we know that his property's been searched but one thing I didn't get to real well with the
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the footage on Libby's phone I think that you probably have a lot of audio and I want to get into the audio here in
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just a second but the reason why I think that we we only have a very short period
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of actual video that we can watch and view as opposed to video of the inside of her shirt pocket or pants pocket
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is look the video that they released is not great remember I said maybe the bridge guy got
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lucky that his his appearance his true appearance is not well depicted in that short camera footage right and maybe
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investigators just got unlucky with that and even though Libby did her best to to
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try to out this guy maybe we're only seeing that short clip because that might be close to what
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all that they have you have to believe that they would show us one of the better versions
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of of of him right right because they could pull the audio out and show us the image and here's what I also wonder too
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captain we're going back to the audio you might have that that might be a part of the the tricky part of not answering
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these questions for the public when they go oh you got to have more video right well we can't confirm that or deny it
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they're not lying they may have more video it's just 39 minutes of 40 minutes of video is is
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unwatchable right it's blacked out yeah and then on top of that so so for the audio then people go well do you have
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more audio well they might but here's my opinion too if if you if this guy if Bridge guy had a gun if he had a
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firearm there might be a decent amount of talking at the very early parts of that
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abduction and the closer they get to the murder part of the Abduction the less talking
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is going to go on at least from the perpetrator in my mind he's going to direct them as he goes and unless they
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are unless they are you know trying to talk him out of whatever he's going to do
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there might not be a ton of audio from him now I do find some of the stuff regarding cell phones to be very
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very interesting in this case so what we were able to determine and find was actual footage of Mike Patty
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he's the grandfather of of Libby he's he's talking the night that they are missing he's being interviewed uh
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for the news the night that they are missing yeah and he's talking about they have already checked her Snapchat and
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her social media so as terrifying as that is to think about we do know that by that point before
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midnight that night his family the Germaine family the German family I'm sorry had seen the Snapchat photo taken from
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207 PM of Abby on the bridge right they were probably following her on Snapchat like they were connected yeah yeah and
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so during that same interview is when he says that her phone had pinged around town
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a couple of times he does go on to say let me see here his exact words I don't know exactly what time that interview
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was taking place because I don't think that it was live I think it was filmed and then played but in the interview
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he's saying that the phone went dead stopped pinging about four or five hours ago
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okay and that broadcast that I'm talking about it came out before midnight that night so this is where everybody got all
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worked up and got all concerned about the the Mike Patty's words a couple of things
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some people came out and said oh the family had Libby's phone no that's not what he says listen to his
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words he says we were checking her social media accounts we were checking things that we could check without
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having her phone my thought is because of her age they either had her passwords and her login information or they
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followed her right right so they could then just see what she posted but I think I think it's more in depth I think
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they probably had her login information or passwords but I also think maybe if they didn't know that the the sister
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knew and and then that way they could just check that stuff you know because because they how are they going to have
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how are they going to have her phone uh the night that they go missing when they haven't even been found yet
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right right but but that's the thing though people mishear things and rather than double checking it that sometimes
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people are just stupid right they just roll with it they just run with it and they're like oh he said they have her
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phone and then then they're like well that's weird why would they you know then they're starting to think that the
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families involved the family's not involved okay the family didn't kill these girls well the direct family that
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we know yeah but but again then there's not a lot of suspicious on the outside members I'm just saying but
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even even then offering for anybody either right you know I mean there's no there's no
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realistic reason to believe anybody would cover for anybody if if you have those ties to the victims it just
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doesn't make any sense so so they didn't have her phone we know that it's just something that people misread
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people misunderstood and then created that rumor and then on top of that with it pinging with her phone pinging in
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more than one location through town it wasn't the phone wasn't traveling around that night
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it wasn't going anywhere and as Kelsey later explains in her YouTube video The Town is so small that in certain areas
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if you walk from one side of your property to the other side of your property your P your phone will ping off
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of two different Towers because that's just just the if you look at the cell phone tower information in
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that area it makes sense well it totally makes sense right and I think this is not information that she just knew I
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think this is information that that they probably got from FBI or right or some kind of law enforcement now the other
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thing with that though too then some people go well the the German family they seem to be
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going into panic mode very quickly it was only a very short period of time that you know we're talking we talked
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about the timeline the other day it's the longest that you can stretch it out is less than two hours from drop off
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time to to the time where you're almost in full search mode you're you're a little over two hours you're now
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alerting other family members new family members are showing up to the scene looking for the little girls and then by
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5 30. so at the very earliest that they got dropped off 130 135 140 somewhere in
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that time range and then reported missing to the police by 5 30 that night some people
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suggesting that they're sounding the alarm very quickly but I think the problem with that is
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it's a little girl and I I don't think people are putting enough thought into it so you know when you and I we you and
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I did the exercise last week where we were we were playing this scenario out out loud talking through it we're going
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okay well what what would happen in this situation okay so Derek the father goes
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to pick them up it was arranged that they would be picked up around the time that Derek arrived
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and then on top of that he tried calling her at least twice nobody answered the phone he walks around looking for them
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on the trails does not find them and then notifies Becky Becky's the grandmother who gave permission to Libby
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to go to that area that day provided that she had someone to drop them off and someone to pick them up and that
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those the drop off and pickup were pre-arranged that was part of the rules so as soon as he notifies Becky it's a
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very quick call from Becky to Kelsey to go did you in fact drop the girls off are you still with the girls and then
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you hear from Kelsey yes they were dropped off I'm no I'm at my boyfriend's house I'm getting ready to go to work
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it's not crazy to believe how much longer after that do they see the Snapchat photo of a video proof evidence
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picture evidence of Abby on the bridge and then you're there looking for him and you're going oh my God they they
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were here nobody's seen them what the hell's going on and mind you it's February well it's going to get dark
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between 5 30 and 6 o'clock that night I'm gonna also think sometimes we just have a gut feeling
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feeling is telling you something bad happened or is the picture of bridge guy also in this Snapchat feed so you see uh
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some pictures of them at the park you see them going over the bridge and then the next picture you see is just of a of
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a man that would be alarming for anything terrifying or any uh parental figure well and not only that even if they
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didn't see him on any of the of her social media stuff which which I don't I don't think that
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they did but again we don't we can't say 100 percent Mike Patty arrives on the scene around
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five o'clock we know that once he gets there he goes to the mirrors property and while on the mayor's property he's
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calling a friend of his who is a police officer we don't know what that conversation is but you don't have to
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have much bigger of a brain than I got to figure out what they probably talked about it's probably a friend calling in
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asking for advice going look man um I'm over here by moaning high bridge over at the Park area been looking for
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my granddaughter we can't find her we only dropped her off about 1 30 to 145 so it's not been that long what should I
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do should I report her missing should I just sit tight what do I do and that's just he probably got some
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good friend advice who's saying you know what you got nothing to lose by reporting her missing right so hopefully
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you report her missing and you find her 15 minutes later and we can call the whole thing off yeah but it was right it
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was getting it was going to get dark though and it was February and yeah so I don't think it's not
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answering our phone I mean we live in an age that we're all connected and so you
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can text somebody they'll text you back within minutes or you can call them she's not responding to anything and I
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know I went on this long rant Captain but you said the most important thing out of that whole that whole deal there
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it's a little girl it's a child it's a child so that's your baby I mean and it doesn't matter look uh it could be a 20
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year old that went missing when it's your baby it's it's doesn't matter that they're 20 or 30 or 40 years
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old or whatever they are right it's still your baby [Music] [Applause] now I did see some reports regarding
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cell phones okay so and I'm not talking about Libby or Abby's cell phone I'm talking about cell phones of persons who
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were in the area around the monin high bridge that day within that short window of time of when they went missing maybe
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maybe even back it up a few hours beforehand maybe even back it up an hour and a half or so afterwards remember
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they were interested in the car that could have been there as long as from noon to five
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uh so the the report that I saw about this I found it to be incredibly interesting because it kind of can take
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you down two different roads here right so the the statement that I saw was that they
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being long they being law enforcement have reviewed everybody's phones that were pinging in that general area
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they've spoke to all of those individuals so that can take you two ways with with
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your thinking on who or who is Bridge guy did he not bring a phone with him right
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or or I guess have it turned off yeah did he not bring a phone with him to that area that day yeah or
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the interesting other thought about that is remember the statement from the last
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press conference on April 22nd where they very clearly say we may have spoken to you of already Bridge guy when
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they're talking to bridge guy they say we may have already talked to you yeah and then you go so that works both ways
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that that statement's probably very true they've spoke to everybody's cell phone
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who was pinging in that area that day and it's either one of two things either this guy didn't bring his phone with him
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or they've already interviewed him yeah so two things one if the individual turned their phone off
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before they got into the area that is a well-organized person um would make me feel like it'd be
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difficult for them to get caught also discipline I would think that even if this is the first attack or the first
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murders by this individual that they they're disciplined enough to um wait out for the right opportunity
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but back to what you're saying about the press conference when he says they might be in this room
00:32:18
I think that's like the scariest line of the hope you know we might have talked to you you might be in this room right
00:32:25
now and that I think that's the that every time I watch that um press conference that gives you chills
00:32:35
and and just like the weird weird actions uh not I don't want to say weird but like there's there's a
00:32:43
nervousness in his presentation where you kind of Wonder does he see somebody that's making him that way
00:32:53
yeah that was uh you and I talked about that within hours or even a couple days of that press conference and one thing
00:33:01
you were pointing out you're like well when he said this person might even be in the room is there somebody in the
00:33:06
room that he is mean specifically that he saw somebody in the room that he does not like for any number of reasons
00:33:13
whether they're not being cooperative in the investigation or there's some other
00:33:17
form of dirt bag or whatever is is he just upset with that person's presence or do we have a situation where
00:33:27
they've really done their homework on this and said you know what we've talked about the strategy of the super cop
00:33:32
we've talked about the strategy of publicly calling the killer a coward and calling him a loser and all other
00:33:39
different kinds of things you can call him there's a strategy in that is there anything where he's going you know what
00:33:46
I have to play a specific role during this speech during this press conference and could
00:33:52
that have been too much for him maybe could it have put him on edge a little bit maybe I thought he did a hell
00:33:59
of a job I I don't know exactly what he was supposed to be portraying there but I think that that was I think the words
00:34:06
of that were not only planned out I think where they appeared in order was extremely timed out planned out as well
00:34:15
I think his demeanor was somewhat uh decided upon in advance that you know don't be afraid to lean
00:34:24
into the podium to look aggressive right don't be afraid to appear to get angry at certain points during your statement
00:34:32
don't don't be afraid to to throw out a sentence and leave a long pause between to the
00:34:41
next one don't be afraid to be theatrical with some of it I think there was a lot of a
00:34:48
lot going on there it's I you know I give I want to give him a a lot of Kudos there because it's a lot for one person
00:34:55
to do yeah there were other law enforcement there present that day obviously a lot
00:35:01
of them just standing in the background and and this guy had to do it all by himself with with the whole the whole
00:35:07
presentation there and I thought he did a fantastic job um but I but it also goes back to what
00:35:15
you were talking about earlier the the motives the method of operation the how organized could this killer be
00:35:22
personally I think he's probably extremely organized to the point where I think he planned out where he parked his
00:35:28
vehicle I think that I think he put thought into not only stepping foot onto the crime scene but also fleeing the
00:35:37
crime scene and the placement of his vehicle was thought out as such that it has to bode
00:35:42
well for both of those scenarios then on top of that I think the reason for the baggy clothing on top and and
00:35:48
the multiple layers on top is he brought everything with him that day to kill somebody
00:35:54
he brought everything that he thought he was going to need in that scenario to kill somebody and
00:36:01
it's all concealed under those layers and that might be another reason why he may appear to be chubbier or more heavy
00:36:09
set than what he actually is and again we might just be getting a bad a bad look at this guy and
00:36:17
again I think they're giving us the best look that they got from her her footage
00:36:21
now there is one interesting part in there if you really slow that that small clip down there's a part where it looks
00:36:28
like somebody may have blocked something out from that picture that may may for just
00:36:34
a split second that we saw something that the public is not supposed to see I don't know if it would have been a
00:36:39
weapon or or something else it would have to be something significant it wouldn't be something there's no reason
00:36:44
for them to to disguise this individual anyway so they're not trying to to stop us from
00:36:51
seeing him from seeing Bridge guy but I I think that they're concealing something there that might be
00:36:58
the gun as he approached the girls the other thing that I want to address here real quick is is a couple things we
00:37:07
John Douglas you know my hero you're my hero John Douglas you're my hero I still think we
00:37:15
should uh the Wayne's World we're not worthy yeah we're scum I saw a short interview with him after the 422 press
00:37:24
conference and look it was one of those interviews you ever see like an interview where the
00:37:31
you know John's just standing there it was supposed to be just a casual real quick interview but you ever see one
00:37:36
where they they have the interview they've clearly brought it back to the news station they've cut it up the way
00:37:42
that they want to cut it up but instead of just letting you view the entire interview there you're getting the news
00:37:48
anchor that just talks the whole time and they'll show a very quick little answer of his I would have loved to have
00:37:53
heard everything he had to say about his thoughts on who Bridge guy is and what's
00:37:59
going on with the investigation but the one thing he did say which which was fascinating but it's also not
00:38:05
like it's not like the most brilliant thought that nobody else would have thought of
00:38:10
but when he heard the audio of guys down the hill guys down the hill he was saying that the the casualness of
00:38:21
choosing the word guys it he said it almost fell to him like it was somebody that was used to talking to
00:38:28
people of that age yeah addressing a group of people in that age and he almost felt like it was like like
00:38:35
something he would expect to hear a teacher say you know guys look come on yeah guys cut it out guys all right it's
00:38:43
time to come inside you know something like that um I found that interesting one for for
00:38:48
multiple reasons but but one just the simple fact of who would have been available at that same time Bridge guy
00:38:55
that's the thing in their profile when they're talking about identifying who the suspect could be who Bridge AI could
00:39:02
be this is somebody that was unaccounted for for a certain period of time on February 13 2017. this is somebody who
00:39:09
may have made up an excuse why they were accounted for during that time here's the other problem though this is where
00:39:15
law enforcement may have just got unlucky this also may be a guy that did not need
00:39:21
to be accounted for that day for any number of reasons maybe he doesn't have anybody to answer to
00:39:28
maybe he has nobody to loan he lives alone works for himself was unemployed you know there's there's a bunch of
00:39:35
reasons why he wouldn't have anybody to answer to yeah in a garage yeah yeah with his friend with his can't
00:39:45
remember what day it is yeah but no these are all reasons why law enforcement might just be simply unlucky
00:39:53
at this moment and Bridge guy is getting lucky his hate Bridge guy his luck will
00:40:00
run out his luck will run out but the reason why I point this out is they're starting to be as soon as that second
00:40:06
sketch came out there's starting to be a lot of people that have concern now with
00:40:11
the investigation and with the state of the investigation well it seems like a incompetence right right and and I
00:40:19
look I don't know what to make of the two sketches I'm just pointing out that that it's
00:40:24
possible that what some people may be thinking is them being incompetent might just be bad luck at the moment might
00:40:34
just be bad luck at the moment the other thing too that I want to point out with being organized or disorganized
00:40:41
again I think whatever he thought he was going to need to carry out this crime he
00:40:46
brought with him that day he brought with it that was on his person now that tells you several things about the the
00:40:53
makeup of this individual he may have very likely have gone there with the intention of killing that day
00:41:02
we don't know what else he did to the victims but we also can't expect that he went in
00:41:08
there planning that he was going to kill two victims that day that might not have
00:41:14
been part of his plan it might just have been like we stated earlier that he was
00:41:19
looking for someone to put themselves in a compromised position at the other side
00:41:23
of that bridge and if he was looking for a female he does not have to be a pedophile or a
00:41:31
registered sex offender to have committed these murders he may have just been looking for a female may have even
00:41:38
gone there hoping to see an adult female jogger by themselves and attack them but did not did not find
00:41:48
his victim did not find whoever fit his victimology and he saw these two girls who
00:41:55
I think his victim his victimology is more so of whoever would be compromised would be alone and would be give him the
00:42:04
better percentage of getting away with this rather than having us a specific victim in mind does that make sense or
00:42:12
did I get too weird with it I think it makes sense basically you're saying that he's going
00:42:17
to go there he's going to find the opportunity as long as they fit a certain criteria that's good enough yeah
00:42:23
because I've had many good conversations with several people over great beers on
00:42:28
this case because this case is so captivating right now it's on everybody's Minds
00:42:33
and some of the people have said well you know not only do we have the video and the audio but we know that we're
00:42:38
looking for a killer we know that we're looking for a pedophile I don't think that we know that I don't
00:42:44
think we know that that last part I don't even know I don't even think if we know the first part
00:42:49
I think you know to be on these trails and let's go down this road just for a second
00:42:57
to go on those Trails you have you might you might just be an individual that carries a gun with you to go around
00:43:04
these trails to be outdoors person you might just carry a knife with you is it is it possible
00:43:11
um I I I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility after two years with all
00:43:18
the information that we have we have video footage we have audio footage we have these sketches we have eyewitnesses
00:43:24
we have a lot of things going on there is it possible that this individual uh this was their first time
00:43:35
uh and and this has been their only time so far because uh how scared they are now that they're
00:43:43
going to get caught well certainly possible um yeah I don't want to play the possibility game because there's yeah
00:43:52
everything's possible you get into trouble I I like to look at what we what we think we know what we do know first
00:43:57
what we think we know or what we can surmise by putting other facts together but I was trying to put out that
00:44:04
evidence I mean to me that me it means something that we're this far along we have this many people talking about it
00:44:11
and sometimes it feels as if we have nothing you know so like I'm saying it's not out of the realm of
00:44:19
possibility that somebody's on the trail that day with certain items um but uh but but I don't know I think this
00:44:28
personally I think this guy had a kill kit with him I think it was concealed underneath
00:44:35
those layers of clothing and I don't think it's the first time that he threw that kill kit in his
00:44:41
vehicle or put it on his person and went walking around I I agree with with your statement that
00:44:48
he very likely may have never killed anybody before in Maine afterward John Douglas says you don't
00:44:55
just wake up one day and go out and kill two kids so I think I think what's probably correct is somewhere between
00:45:02
your statement and John Douglas's statement I'm gonna go with my statement and here's the thing it's his
00:45:08
credentials if if this guy is if Bridge guy is was 18 or 19 at the time remember
00:45:15
we have we have from 18 to 40 years old if he was 18 or 19 at the time I'm going to go
00:45:23
with you captain that it's very likely that he's never committed he's never committed a murder before
00:45:29
if he's closer to 39 or 40 at the time I feel like he's either committed a murder before or
00:45:37
has attempted to or or or attack somebody in some some fashion where maybe maybe he was out scaring the hell
00:45:46
out of people one day or and it doesn't have to take place in Delphi it could take place elsewhere
00:45:52
it's it's just one of those things it seems very strange to me that for what I believe he would have need to have
00:46:00
brought with him to the bridge that day seems like a lot seems like a quite a bit of stuff to bring with you to the
00:46:08
point where I I have to call it a murder kit I have to call it that so I necessarily don't think he had to
00:46:16
bring a lot I mean you if you had a gun you can control them uh but based off their age maybe you can control them
00:46:23
just with a knife maybe all you have to do is have one individual and then the other one's just going to do what you
00:46:28
say because you have the individual under lock so you can control both victims with a knife
00:46:35
that's a possibility riskier but you know as far as what we know we don't know what the person's it's not like
00:46:44
they you know the murders happen where they happen because because they had to happen that place
00:46:51
um or that you know or that the guy got spooked we don't know any of that information I mean it's very likely that
00:46:58
that's the case uh where was he to head in with these individuals maybe it was just across the river maybe it wasn't
00:47:05
you these are these are questions we don't have answers for yeah and I don't want to go too far down
00:47:13
the road that we're currently on because look I we we know that he abducted them
00:47:19
at some point we know that they were killed and we know that he fled that area I don't want to spend too much time on
00:47:28
what could have happened what could have been going on from the time he abducted
00:47:32
them to the time he left right um I have a lot of thoughts on that and in in in in feelings on that
00:47:40
and suspicions but I don't I don't it's not something that I'm very comfortable in this area discussing it it does us
00:47:48
not a whole lot of good because it's stuff we don't we just don't know right we just don't know
00:47:54
but I I I will say this I believe that this individual that bridge guy went to that area that day
00:48:06
prepared to kill and knowing that he very likely might kill somebody there that day
00:48:17
I don't think that the girls were targeted in a sense that he met them there or that he followed them from
00:48:24
anywhere or that he knew either of them beforehand I think he was there scoping and looking
00:48:31
for a victim just like a hunter would sit there looking waiting for a prey he was there that day prepared to do
00:48:41
what he came to do and if something presented itself he was going to make a move
00:48:47
so I I think he can be considered organized in the sense that that he he seems to be
00:48:55
one prepared to do whatever it was that that he was motivated to do he was organized enough that we don't have a
00:49:02
vehicle description he you can argue the cell phone thing either way maybe he was smart enough to
00:49:09
know hey I don't want to risk bringing these things with me right uh or is there a chance he thought he heard
00:49:16
something or he got spooked and and intended to to take the cell phones with him but got spooked and ran out of there
00:49:23
faster than he wanted to and then he gets back to his car gets home or wherever in in a half hour later
00:49:30
he's going oh [ __ ] I forgot those cell phones so I think you could argue that either way
00:49:36
or he was smart enough to know that he didn't want that that thing with him it also appears that he very likely may not
00:49:43
have been carrying his phone with him at the time I don't know this is it's it's a it's a very
00:49:51
interesting case in the sense that it's one that you feel like you should have so much information and you really
00:49:59
you really just don't and when you really put the timeline together and you start looking at a map of this area I
00:50:06
encourage everybody to do that because if anybody's sitting there and they're confused about the case that should end
00:50:13
it right there the timeline in a general map of of the area will provide you with
00:50:18
a lot of ways to it's going to help you kind of see how this thing probably played out and how
00:50:28
very quickly everything moved along that day it's also a 100 percent horrifying and
00:50:37
terrifying to think that look this wasn't this was not a dangerous area this was not like a place that you
00:50:44
wouldn't allow your young teenage girls to go to this was somebody that and I think
00:50:51
that's why he chose this area I think he chose it for a couple reasons one I think he thought he would very likely
00:50:57
find somebody by themselves Not only would they be by themselves but this is an area that it's not like
00:51:05
you're not seeing a lot of what's going on you're not near a whole bunch of houses
00:51:10
where you might hear what's going on and then on top of that he picks it picks a
00:51:16
time of day when it's likely to have fewer people there than than most he may or may not have known that there was
00:51:22
going to be school that day or not be school that day so so here we are now Captain over two
00:51:29
years later you and I there's nothing more that I know about the case that you don't know
00:51:36
there might be some things you you were kind of you kind of just let me go this last 20 minutes I'm wondering if there's
00:51:41
things about the case you know that I don't know well there's a possible another suspect
00:51:48
that is kind of on the under surface another guy with a bulbous nose um he he's the
00:51:57
I believe he was a firefighter and he I guess at some point was to be connected with the searches for
00:52:06
the girls and he was arrested for I think whipping out his he whipped out his [ __ ] decent exposure
00:52:16
yeah um how recent is this arrest um I haven't looked much into it uh is is he a look it's he's good Lafayette okay
00:52:30
so he's clearly under the radar as far as the mass population goes right because all these other people their
00:52:37
names have been put out there really put out there so he's under the radar as far
00:52:41
as mass population goes but I know his name but I'm not I'm not putting it out right is this a more recent arrest was
00:52:49
he is he just very recently and under the radar suspect or has he been an under the radar suspect for quite some
00:52:55
time I think he's been under radar for quite some time that this indecent exposure may have may have happened
00:53:01
shortly after the yeah may have happened as early as 2017 but that's what I find interesting about
00:53:09
um this individual is one I could see him um being um Bridge guy I could see that uh also if
00:53:23
if it's true about the the the reddish hair reddish brown hair matches that description description
00:53:31
also has the bulbous nose um so yeah um it would be a possibility not too young and not too old
00:53:43
of an individual but I'll show you this picture when we're done here I know it's
00:53:49
muffled but when you hear that voice do you put an age or a ballpark age on that
00:53:55
voice no I feel like to me I feel like both the the image that I'm seeing and the voice that I'm
00:54:05
hearing sounds to me to be less of a window than 18 to 40. I feel like I'm talking about somebody
00:54:14
more like 29 to 40. 30 to 40. that's just but but I have nothing to base that off of uh off of
00:54:22
other than my own feeling but right speaking of feelings over two years later you and I know
00:54:28
almost the exact same stuff about the case after the last press conference some people have changed their opinions on
00:54:36
what's going on with the investigation do you think do you feel how what is your confidence level on this case
00:54:43
getting solved or as some have come out recently and said I have no faith now and I feel like they they may never get
00:54:52
this guy well what I'm hoping is um I I saw this thing where they they should make t-shirts and sell these
00:55:02
uh for Delphi to raise money but they always say today is the day and they say that they say that every
00:55:10
day yeah let today be the day right today's the day and and the idea is that yeah they've been wrong quite a bit but
00:55:19
one day that's going to be right and you know it's uh I think it's you feel bad for him and
00:55:31
we've met them and we got to talk to them talk to them and look at them in the eye and
00:55:39
and it becomes more real and I couldn't even imagine when you say them do you want to be more specific
00:55:47
well the family the family members and so I I hope so but I what I hope is that there's enough hope
00:55:59
from the family in the community that somehow it just lets the universe works it you know work
00:56:07
its magic and and this screws up something and out of nowhere you know it's kind of like the Golden State
00:56:12
killer type thing it's like somehow the universe was like okay now we can connect DNA to family members and boom
00:56:19
this guy that seemed to be somebody that would would never catch we got him and and I hope that you know
00:56:28
people can I know that seems a little Hocus Pocus to some people but I think if you have
00:56:34
the enough people thinking that this is going to get solved that well well we all hope that that it gets solved I
00:56:41
think the the real question is do do either of us feel that it will what's our confidence level that it will how
00:56:47
soon do you put do you put a time stamp on that thing you know there's really only one person
00:56:54
that hopes that it doesn't get solved and that's the guy that we're calling Bridge guy
00:56:59
now I feel I've not lost my confidence level in this investigation I've not lost
00:57:07
my confidence level even after a different sketch a very much different sketch came out what I wouldn't mind
00:57:14
seeing Captain if they could apply it for us we have a sketch of what appears to be a
00:57:20
younger man uh that being the second sketch I would love to see that second sketch that same
00:57:26
image that same person that I'm I'm seeing in that second sketch maybe with a hood on a hat on a hoodie on some some
00:57:34
dress that appears to be more like the first sketch because what we're seeing on the bridge there is
00:57:42
a guy wearing a jacket and possibly a hat or possibly a hoodie I would like to see something like that
00:57:49
um we did take a little little criticism of not playing the audio of guys down the hill few people had suggested we
00:57:56
probably should have included that in the last episode i n short for Indiana in.gov if you type that in and look it
00:58:06
up you get you get the you get the sketch the most recent sketch you get the image of bridge guy you get several
00:58:15
different pieces of audio there all on the front page you get the video and it also includes that website address
00:58:24
for the abian Libby tip at caco shrf.com as well as some phone numbers there but keep in mind the the sheriff
00:58:36
have stated that they their preferred method of receiving any tips would be email form that way it's easier for them
00:58:43
to categorize these things catalog them keep track of everything keep track of the proper information
00:58:49
that would be the most helpful way I still feel like Captain Maybe This thing could be solved I have a high
00:58:57
level confidence in that I also have a high confidence level that it that might be very soon
00:59:02
that it that it could be within the next year and a half I think we just have to be patient with
00:59:11
law enforcement with this and trust them I think they are handling it very well and I think as long as the public
00:59:18
continues to help that this thing will get solved and it and when they do finally make that
00:59:26
arrest that news is going to be big that's going to be big and it's it's interesting that you reference the
00:59:34
Golden State killer her ears or ons or the original Night Stalker all the different names that that horrible
00:59:41
monster had because of his reign of terror lasted so long and he had so many victims
00:59:47
but it was believed in that case that that we had audio we had we had his voice that we may have had his picture
00:59:58
and just the evidence that was involved in that was almost as such that people were going how could this not be solved
01:00:06
how could this not be solved and here we are sitting here with Libby and Abby's case same thing we got the picture we
01:00:13
got the audio we got a short video it it just takes that one person and I know that sounds I know people are
01:00:22
probably tired of hearing that but that's that's what it is that's the state of the case right now
01:00:28
I believe they got the DNA I believe they're just waiting on checking it against the right person
01:00:34
and I also believe in this case too Captain this is something we won't have to get too far into but we also agreed
01:00:41
off off the Record that there's a chance that when this thing when they do make the the arrest
01:00:49
that the public might not be such aware of it right away that there might be some things that
01:00:56
they need to do want to do behind the scenes before that information gets presented to us yeah to be clear about
01:01:03
this our idea was that it's possible that they have somebody that they've already arrested for another crime
01:01:10
and maybe they've done some testing or or eventually we'll do some testing but even if there's a match with the DNA
01:01:18
they might not actually make an announcement they might spin another four weeks to maybe even eight weeks I
01:01:25
mean it's gone two years the the key is not making their arrest like law enforcement has said the key is
01:01:31
not to make the rest the key is to make the rest and to get uh get a conviction right and if you have somebody that is
01:01:39
on lock up right now with no no real chance of getting out anytime soon you have time to work on the individual
01:01:49
if there's there's reason to believe and we won't get into it too far but there's
01:01:54
there's plenty of reason to believe that even if they do have DNA and have a match there that they would not mind
01:02:00
having a confession on top of that or further Evidence [Music] and on behalf of myself and the captain
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