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[Music] legendary profiler Roy Hazelwood spent 22 years with the FBI 16 of them in the
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FBI's Behavioral Science unit he was truly an expert when it came to criminal behavior and understanding why they do
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what they do in his book dark dreams Mr Hazelwood explains the Criminal Mind as he sees it in one chapter he explains
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that it would surprise most people that in his experience the two types of sexual offenders with the most
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characteristics in common are the sexual stist and pedophiles he says most pedophiles are not physically violent
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while the sexual stist is very likely to be so but there are strikes similarities Hazelwood offers some
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clarification before diving into the more than one dozen shared characteristics of these two types of
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monsters pedophiles and child molesters are terms that are often used interchangeably however they are quite
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different pedophile in psychiatric usage describes an individual who is preferentially attracted sexually to a
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prepubescent child generally 13 years of age or less however a pedophile does not
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become a criminal until he molest a child it is entirely possible for the pedophile to act out his sexual
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preferences only in his mind or with a consenting adult or a paid partner who plays the role of a child this is not
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criminal Behavior a child molester is a legal term used to describe any person who sexually molest a child which most
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definitely is Criminal Behavior All child molesters are criminals and a pedophile who acts
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out against a child consequently is a child molester here is how he says the pedophile and the sexual stus are alike
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both are ritualistic sexual criminals they have highly developed fantasy lives and carry out their crimes according to
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a script both are highly motivated their crimes give them deep STIs isfaction and
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they invest great amounts of time money and energy to their criminal Behavior neither experiences remorse or guilt the
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sexual stus believes that his victims deserve to suffer the pedophile doesn't believe he's caused harm to the child
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both are highly practiced at rationalizing their behavior and consequently are poorly motivated to
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change both recognize that Society abominates them and they take steps to study their deviant desire desires and
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behaviors to better understand them and to evade arrest they possess average or better intelligence and social skills
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they mesh well in society friends and Associates are surprised and supportive of them when they are identified their
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rate of recidivism is much greater than other offenders they tend to be model prisoners and consequently are released
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more quickly and Having learned nothing from their punishment quickly begin practicing sexual deviant
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again both are highly narcissistic most sexual criminals slow down with age there is no known burnout
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age for these two offenders unless stopped such men will offend well into their 60s or
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70s they have greater numbers of victims than other sexual offenders once these men begin to act out criminally they
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will assault until they are caught criminal sexual SST pose one of law enforcement's greatest
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challenges though rare they are intelligent men who invest great amounts of time in planning their crimes and
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they easily blend into society because they look like us John simonis better known as the ski mask rapist told Roy
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Hazelwood and Ken Lanning also of the BSU quote there are a lot of steps you can take to help eliminate the average
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criminal who is just spontaneous and Reckless and careless but if somebody wants somebody bad enough it's nearly
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impossible to prevent they could have the best security in the world they could have
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guards and dogs and everything else but if you have the time and the patience the opportunity is going to arise when
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you can hit someone this is true crime garage [Music] [Applause] [Music] on Tuesday May 7th 1963 The Windsor Star
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newspaper reported the following police and volunteers continue to search for two boys last seen near The Plains of
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Abraham from my understanding Captain this is a large park on the heights of Quebec City the the two boys are young a
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little younger than the more typical ages of runaways the two boys that we were talking about here were together
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that day at the park and the two boys are friends this is Allan carrier age 10 and Michael Morel age 8 these two
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youngsters were last seen leaving the planes on Grand alley that's a major road there the boys were seen leaving
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with some empty beer and soda bottles that they had collected on that day which they evidently intended to sell
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soldiers and about 200 volunteers scoured the area but found no sign of the boys nor any clues as to where they
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may have gone off to now this was a little tricky to track down in fact the earliest report is from a little more
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than 36 hours after they were missing and doesn't really offer much Insight on what the immediate suspicions were in
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the case of these two but we can make some inferences based on other cases we have covered and those would be one
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because it's two kids together the first thought might be that they did in fact run away or maybe even more likely
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wandered off together and got lost secondly of course you would always have to be worried that maybe one or both got
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hurt and again they are very young so the concern level and the Threat Level would be high so the two were last seen
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on that Sunday May 5th so by the time we see this report that came out on Tuesday
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giving that time passing and the searches for the two that were going on immediately after they reported missing
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where once you may have not have been so sure what happened with the two youngsters now you are starting to
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suspect the very worst and let's compound that fear with the knowledge that it was discovered that another boy
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went missing and there was less information about that boy this is a boy who was traveling
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by himself a little older than these two boys and he was still missing as well from that same general area yeah so then
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the community is probably going to start thinking that they possibly could be connected yeah what we have here in the
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first case Captain is a boy named guy lucken Wick he was age 12 who was visiting Quebec City he disappeared on
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April 20th so this is like about two weeks before these other two boys went missing the boy was traveling to Quebec
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City which he did so each week for a music lesson guy played the clarinet they could not pinpoint exactly when he
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went missing but they did know that he made it to the lesson finished the lesson and then left on foot afterwards
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but he never made it home searches by police for this boy two have been in vain and because the amount of time that
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expired any Theory or suspicion that a ransom may have figured into this boy's disappearance had been discarded by this
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time well he has an item with him I'm assuming he's taken his own instrument to the lesson but it's also not a large
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instrument it's not like he has a saxophone or something with him so Claret could be pretty easily discarded
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by a a predator and we say Ransom here and I know to to most of our listeners they're thinking oh that's very
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theatrical that's very much like the movies but we have to keep in mind that our case our story today takes place
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back in the early 60s and actually kidnapping for ransom was much much more common than it is today so much so that
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poor criminals often saw kidnapping as a as their meal ticket as their lottery ticket so to speak but you you have to
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factor in some other things here none of these families are wealthy families right you know often when we have
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someone that is kidnapped for ransom you can't squeeze blood out of a rusty nail
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you actually have to go after somebody that has some money and you know we talk about the Lindberg kidnapping for ransom
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considered to be one of the at one time the the crime of the 20th century right that's a prime example Le and in fact
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that happened a lot so much so that when looking into this particular story I was
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running into plenty of stories of a case that was active about this same time where you have Frank Sinatra Jr
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kidnapped where they're looking for a ransom of $240,000 for his safe return now
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thankfully he was returned safely but it was so much more common back then and what's interesting to me here Captain is
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that even in the 70s and 80s where we started to see an uptick of a crime Trend that was changing of abducting
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children for sexual purposes right that they always were commenting that you know we've set up a line at the family's
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home so that if a ransom comes in we're ready to receive it to get the instructions to deliver this money and
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and get this kid safely back and where in the the because of what was going on in the country in fact in the 30s 40s
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50s and 60s Ransom very common 70s and 80s that went away I'm guessing the penalty for kidnapping went up as it
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became more popular but also what I find super interesting just back to the the Frank
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Sinatra Jr thing is so you're going to kidnap one of the most famous people in the world's kids to get a ransom but
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that famous person has also connected to the most powerful organization in the world the mob doesn't seem like the
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smartest idea yeah but you also have to understand that kidnapping was very popular because there was a much higher
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percentage of poor people in our country back then so people were more desperate
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back then I'm just saying you have to be very desperate to to go against the mob
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so there were rumors swirling in this area about a maniac possibly on the loose and that he's snatching up little
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boys and certainly even Beyond rumor that seems to be the shared feelings of the parents in this community in fact a
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a newspaper snippet says that at the time police suspected quote that a sex maniac may have killed the three missing
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boys because not a trace of them had been found despite an intensive search effort now
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unfortunately things are going to get worse before they get better because on May
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29th in that edition of The Gazette a newspaper out of Montreal Quebec they featured an article about another
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missing boy the article was titled fourth boy disappears in Quebec and goes on to say The Disappearance of a fourth
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youngster in Quebec City in just a little more than a month was announced by police and the deputy chief term the
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situation disquieting he said now police are wondering whether the boys had been
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the victims of a Maniac the latest boy to go missing is Perry Marquee age 13 Perry was last seen on Sunday May 25th
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in the afternoon leaving a beach on the outskirts of the city right this is the wolf's Cove area of the St Lawrence
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River Pierre 's mother said that Pierre went to Sunday mass on that day he came home for lunch and then he went to meet
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his cousin at Wolf's Cove to go swimming the cousin confirmed that Pierre not only made it to the swimming meet up at
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Wolf's Cove but also safely left afterward of course you hear River and a possibility of drowning is maybe one of
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the first thoughts however in this case of course we said there is that sighting
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of him leaving the the swimming hole on that day what kind of reminds you of the
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Stephen King novel it and Derry Maine how a group of kids just start going missing and there's no explanation and
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no no trace of them yeah and that's one thing that's interesting in this case and I liken it to the Oakland County
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child killer case where it seems to be that the community and the parents seem to be fully aware of what's going on and
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maybe a lot of the children were not right because you know news traveled different back then and if you weren't
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dialed in most kids aren't paying attention to the news especially younger kids if your parents are not informing
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you if your teachers are not informing you you're just unaware MH and so with the Oakland County
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case one thing that is bizar there is Timothy King who unfortunately was snatched up and then later found dead
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the one of the saddest parts of that whole story is that just a day or two before his parents sat him down and
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fully explained to him what was going on in their area at the time and it still the threat still led to his demise now
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in that case there is a lot of suspicion that whoever was killing those kids was
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posing as an authority figure and used that faked Persona to abduct the children well it's hard to imagine how
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you'd react as a child knowing that these kids just went missing and and there's no answers no clues and Pierre
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was even spotted walking in the direction indicating that he was likely on his way back home by another
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individual now just to be safe though Captain they did in fact search the waters in this area yeah and they also
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searched the waters around the other two disappearance cases as well three victims two disappearances earlier all
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of these searches are turning up nothing there's nothing in the water there's nothing on land nothing on the streets
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that they can find that are giving them any types of leads at all so of course this is all super scary stuff but then
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look at the similarities in all of these missing persons cases that to me heightens the the Fear Factor level for
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me because one they they took place in just a short time span of about 40 days right four kids three separate incidents
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in 40 days where we got missing kids all went missing on a weekend day all four boys disappeared between the hours of 2:
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and 300 p.m. or believed to have disappeared between those hours three of them were last seen in the same general
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neighborhood the carrier kid and the morale boy were on the plane of Abraham again a huge Park that overlooks the St
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Lawrence River and then Pierre Marquee the last to disappear is believe to have started on his way home and to have cut
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through that same park The Plains of Abraham from the beach yeah well it's also a little scarier too when you when
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you realize the monster is not coming out at night the monster is working within the day right and that's where us
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we can sit here and easily go so not only do we think it's connected because this is happening so fast within a
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40-day time span but also look at those similarities it's it's all very much the
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same Mo things going down about the same time on weekends within the same hours as you said in broad daylight also a
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higher Threat Level Predator because this Predator has no problem going after one individual or multiple individuals
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at the same time well and Guy luck and Wick where talking about the area where all went missing he was the first to go
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missing but was last seen on St Denise or St Dennis Street which is some distance away from the other cases right
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but again it is the same general area of Quebec City now not that there was not a
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thorough investigation and not that the police didn't do everything possible but
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really other than the where and when each boy was last seen there really was not much in the way of investigating to
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this case you know they're really just simply looking for the physical boys themselves they had nothing to lead them
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to what may have happened to them or or who may have taken them well again the last known crime scene we have if you
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want to call it a crime scene is the last eyewitnesses of these individuals because we don't have some area where
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where all these items from the boys were found and that there possibly was a struggle or anything it's almost like
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all four boys just poof disappeared right they really didn't have any leads if the boys were in fact abducted this
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is not a situation where anyone witnessed an abduction heard a child scream or spotted a suspicious tan sedan
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or creepy camper and of course this is a little more than five decades before the
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big ban the van movie movement that continues to save lives to this day and if police had any leads at all well they
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were looked at and fairly quickly determined to be dead ends that never produced any additional leads that is
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what it was like for most of the 40 days or so that these four boys ages 8 to 13
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were missing this until a concerned parent came forward with some very interesting information
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police this is 45-year-old Edward allette he went to the police with this following story concerning his for
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1-year-old son who fortunately was safe and sound he told police that on May 25th his son 14 years of age was at
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Quebec City's very busy Central bus station when a man approached him the boy lost a dime in a soft drink machine
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and was fighting with the machine to either get his soda or get his dime back the man offered to buy the boy a drink
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the kid accepted the then the man said if you like money so much or if you are in need of more money I could offer you
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a job at some point in this conversation it sounds like it may have been a fairly
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lengthy one the man showed the kid a bank book with a balance of $343 that's a lot of sodas at a dime of
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Pop the man told the boy something to the effect of I have a great deal of money or I have a lot of money and you
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can make a few dollar heck when you're a teenager and somebody has a $50 bill or
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a $100 bill you think they're rich mhm well and keep in mind the equivalent of what they were seeking in the Frank
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Sinatra Jr Ransom $240,000 that would be like $2 million today so it's uh this certainly like you
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pointed out would seem like a great deal of money to a youngster back then and then but you have to take this a step
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further and go well this is just a bank book mhm it doesn't necessarily mean that this guy's got any real money at
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all now the man told the boy that he could offer him a ride and he wanted to take him back to what he referred to as
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his Suburban home this boy very smartly refused the ride later he would say that the man
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frightened him so instead he gave the man his address and phone number and told the man that he could talk to him
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tomorrow so the kid goes home and he tells his parents what went down at the bus station about being approached by
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this man who said he had money right offered some kind of job and then this guy wants to take me back to his house
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bought me a coke yeah and I wonder if in this story if the man who you know if he
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is a dangerous man he's obviously using a ruse to try to trick this youngster well but not not necessarily because the
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youngster is having a problem right his the machine either took his money so this guy comes up and goes hey I I'll
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buy the soda for you that's not out of the realm that that's not a ruse right that is just a adult walking by there
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used to be a soda machine where I taught lessons there's plenty of times where kids would go by and they'd be pushing
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the butt and go what are you doing oh the the machine took my money I go well here let me buy you a pop that's
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not a ruse to you know to try to kidnap the kid I was just trying to be a nice person to that kid so then they get to
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talking well I have this job come back to right there you go you know that's what I'm talking about the if this if
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this guy in fact is looking to pick up this kid if he is a danger the ruse is offering him a job right and I'm what
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I'm pointing out is I'm wondering if in this conversation we know that the boy said
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he exchanged his he gave his phone number and he gave his address when the man then says offers to drive him back
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to his quote unquote Suburban home I'm wondering if this guy was smart enough to make it sound like they both lived in
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the same general area to kind of put the boy at ease well I'm heading home anyway
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why don't you just join me in my car right back to my Suburban home but also again this uh creep could live downtown
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but use use the term suburb um Suburban home so again if the kid doesn't go with
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him he is now now telling everybody well he said he lived in the suburbs correct
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armed with this information the parents are going to set up a little sting operation of their own so the man called
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the house and the parents had the boy answer the phone when the man called the next day mhm so a meeting time and place
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were set up for the boy to meet the man well what happens is Edward allette drove his son to this meeting once there
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Edward confronted the man demanding to know why and what the man wanted with his 14-year-old son the man laughed and
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told the father that it was the boy's idea that the two were to hang out together saying that the boy wanted to
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to go to the circus that he wanted someone to take him to the circus and this man said that he would do so so
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Edward then tells the man there are three boys missing right now and I'm not letting my son out of my sight while
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there Edward wrote down the license plate number on the man's vehicle and then he gives this information to the
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police who promptly worked very hard to track down this vehicle the man fortunately was located and
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arrested but unfortunately this was on May 27th this would be the day after Pierre
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Marquee was reported missing remember he was number four to go missing and he went missing on May 26th right so the
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man they arrested who was according to this man and his son trying to meet up and make some kind of work arrangement
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with a 14-year-old boy this was Leopold Dion police very quickly realized that considering all involved they were very
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likely in for some really really bad news and that's because not only did Leopold have a lengthy police record but
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he had a very dark and violent past can you get into that a little bit yes Leopold Dion had been arrested multiple
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times for multiple charges here's some uh detailed background information on this guy he was Leopold Dion of Quebec
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City contracted tuberculosis as an infant and he spent most of his first 11 years of life in an
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institution run by nuns his father and mother they would visit him on a weekly basis his father was a Canadian Army
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Sergeant when he was cured of this ill he was then released from the institution so after 11 long years of
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living in an institution for the first years of his life he is finally sent home now once he is there he doesn't
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walk into a happy home because just 4 days later his mother and father separated and because of this split they
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placed him in an orphanage yeah makes would have to make you wonder as a kid my parents were together this whole time
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I come home 4 days later they get a divorce yeah so that's the unfortunate childhood of Leopold Dion but what it's
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going to lead to is that violent past that we referenced mhm in 1937 at the age of 17 Leopold was charged with gross
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indecency and sentenced to 4 months in jail 2 years later in 1939 he was charged with attempted Mur
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murder of a young woman but was acquitted due to the lack of evidence when he was 20 years old he was
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convicted of rape and attempted murder so now we have this guy again having this Rouge to have some
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kind of relationship some kind of connection with this kid and now we know that he likes to whip out his dinghy he
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now has an attempted murder charge and then uh attempted murder charge charge and a rape charge against him so when he
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is 20 he is then convicted of rape and attempted murder wow so you know I know he's acquitted for the first charges
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based off of a lack of evidence but what you're seeing here is he's a possible reoffender who is very violent and his
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crimes seem to be sexually based now for this conviction Leopold was sentenced to life
00:36:24
imprisonment with a recommendation that he never never be paroled and this shows
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you how far we are going back here in time and how old school this is but not only did he receive that life
00:36:39
imprisonment conviction right and sentence but he also received plus 10 lashes oh so they would like hit him
00:36:49
with a cane or yeah whip him or something of that nature you know we're going to lock you up for life but before
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we do so we're gonna have to beat you up pretty good well I mean look you have you're going to have some issues anyways
00:37:00
if you're going to be isolated for that long you have really know 110 years that's the amount that he's going to be
00:37:11
underdeveloped as far as Society is concerned that's going to be that's a big gap to try to make up and and when
00:37:19
you look at a picture of him he looks pretty normal seems to be a non-threatening individual maybe maybe
00:37:26
from the side profile that he he he looks maybe a little meaner or scarier from the side profile I think that en
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lies like the issue with this type of case and when you hear when you're let's say that the the children knew that kids
00:37:41
were going missing and they're hearing the rumors from their parents and from the community that there's a sex maniac
00:37:48
on the loose right who's snatching up children well a child's mind will assume that they can see that they would be
00:37:56
able to identify this monster when they see him right and so when you have this guy leopo Dion who he looks like the a
00:38:05
regular guy the average Joe he puts together this Persona that he has a job or at least something to offer these
00:38:14
children and because he looks normal and he has a car and he dresses normal they're somewhat easily tricked now
00:38:22
they're tricked into just joining him for maybe a ride or or a helping hand but it it's again it goes back to the
00:38:31
idea of a sex maniac is on the loose these kids think that they would be able to spot that somehow right and as Roy
00:38:39
Hazelwood pointed out in in our trailer earlier today from his great book The Dark
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dreams he says you know it's always a shock to society when these people are outed or when they're found out because
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they're usually respected people in the community or they fit into the community
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at least visually and the fake persona that they put out there and they're also hard to detect
00:39:09
because they look like you and I well also this is the 60s and I didn't obviously grow up in the 60s but even in
00:39:15
the 80s if you were over at somebody's you're over at your friend's house or something and their parents told you to
00:39:23
do something you did it you you were taught to obey adults you were you were T taught
00:39:31
that adults are in charge and you are not so that becomes a tricky issue when you're trying to tell your kids hey look
00:39:38
you got to watch out because there's somebody that's taking kids away from their homes away from their families but
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at the same time these kids are told over and over you listen to adults you speak when spoken to certain things like
00:39:53
that which were more prevalent in in the 60s than they obviously are now now people are saying hey if you see a
00:40:00
stranger I don't I don't care how old they are or they're not your your boss but you'd have these you'd even have
00:40:09
situations where kid might get in trouble um at somebody's house and and maybe even get uh
00:40:16
spanked by the other parents and that was more commonplace mhm so when you have somebody that kind of
00:40:24
looks like they're friend's dad or or a dad for all we know the GU driving up to
00:40:31
these people going hey you're not supposed to be walking on this street you're not supposed to be walking alone
00:40:37
get in the car I'll drive you home yeah that's correct and so when he is 20 years old he's incarcerated for life
00:40:47
imprisonment for this very violent crime and he was sent off to Montreal's Infamous St Vincent dep Paul
00:40:58
Penitentiary while there he was considered to be a model prisoner however during his stay while they were
00:41:05
able to confine him they were never able to treat any of his mental emotional and
00:41:11
sexual issues records show that there was one part-time psychologist working at this Penitentiary during the entire
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16 to 17 years that he stayed there because of his good beh behavior and despite the judge's recommendation that
00:41:29
he never ever be paroled leopo Dion was in fact paroled in 1956 but he wasn't out too long before
00:41:38
he was added again because just 40 Days Later 40 days later he was once again charged and convicted of gross indecency
00:41:47
and returned to prison right but how did he get let out in the first place he got
00:41:53
paroled well maybe we need to stop calling these sentences life sentences if they're if they're only a couple
00:41:59
years you know like come on give me a break it's either life or it's not life and and and then to have a individual
00:42:09
like this with with such a heinous crime to even have the possibility of early parole that so he spent two more years
00:42:17
at that St Vincent dep Paul Penitentiary before being transferred to the Kingston
00:42:23
Penitentiary this would be Leopold's first chance to truly receive some psychiatric help starting in 1962 he
00:42:32
would meet with the prison psychiatrist once a month and somehow he managed to be paroled once again well yeah and I
00:42:42
and I don't get that with the two violent crimes one well actually three violent crimes we got two attempted
00:42:48
murders basically and then we have a rape charge um you could throw away the the him him showing his dinghy to
00:42:57
anybody I don't know if that matters but those violent crimes there's no way he should have been pearled well and gross
00:43:04
indecency is kind of a blanket charge it's uh we don't always know exactly what that charge means I'm going go and
00:43:12
assume it's his dinging out that he's guilty of it's like back in the day they would charge you with gross indecency
00:43:19
they would charge you with uh sodomy they could charge you with in certain crimes Larsen but that that usually
00:43:27
meant a whole wide array of possibilities whereas today you see at least here in the States United States
00:43:36
we often have charges that that even sound very specific to the point where you hear what someone's charged with you
00:43:45
you have a pretty good idea of what it is that they did yeah I mean some of them get confusing you know I I don't
00:43:52
like the the charges where um you know I've had a friend where he he's considered a sex offender because he was
00:44:02
drunk and he was peeing by a school the school wasn't operating at the time it was at night uh but ends up getting
00:44:11
further charges because he was basically exposed because he was peeing um by a school I don't really think that makes a
00:44:21
lot of sense but so so now we have four kids that went missing I do I do want to
00:44:28
address that for a second I don't necessarily fully agree with that charge I guess I and I don't know the complete
00:44:34
situation my argument has always been in regards to that that the what the reason
00:44:42
why you charge someone in that manner is because if you didn't then now that becomes the excuse that is accepted
00:44:53
world you know across the board that oh anybody can just whip it out wherever they want and you just claim oh I was
00:45:00
urinating so it's okay yeah I I totally agree with that so so we have four four boys missing all roughly around the same
00:45:10
age all roughly in the same area we have now this guy leoole that has basically we we weren't for sure if there was a
00:45:20
ruse to get this kid alone but now we know because they they went and confronted him and now we know that this
00:45:30
guy has a a really bad past and this guy definitely has to be on the suspect list
00:45:38
for these four missing boys that's exactly right so what you have here is Leopold Dion was paroled in September of
00:45:48
1962 these boys well they start to go missing in late April and then in May of 1963 so police have this complaint from
00:45:58
this man about Leopold trying to pick up his son but really in regards to the actual four missing boys themselves they
00:46:06
really do not have a lot connecting leopole to their disappearances now there are several really smart things
00:46:14
going on on the side of law enforcement at this time one it doesn't take a seasoned investigator to look at this
00:46:22
guy leopo Dion and go okay he has a rather violent past that involves rape and attempted murder heck he raped and
00:46:31
stabbed a school teacher and left her for dead so really the only reason he didn't get charged with
00:46:38
murder likely first-degree murder is that the poor woman survived the attack yeah but we only have charges with
00:46:45
Leopold against females not young boys the judge then recommends a life sentence for Dion the judge gave a
00:46:54
strong recommendation that he never never be released so if we are concerned that like the paper said that the boys
00:47:02
may be victims of a Maniac well this might be the maniac that we are looking for secondly we have a complaint that he
00:47:11
may have been trying to pick up a boy oh and his gross indecency conviction the victim there was an underage boy now
00:47:19
Presto changjo this guy that we just picked up is our number one suspect so what was really smart on the end of law
00:47:28
enforcement is that Leopold is actually arrested and charged with a parole violation so they can simply hold him
00:47:37
until he is adjudicated for those charges so LD Leopold Dion you ain't going anywhere until we sort this out so
00:47:46
talk or waste away until your trial when and where you will be found guilty of said parole violation and sent back to
00:47:55
prison prison and regardless how this missing four boy situation shakes out you might still be in prison for the
00:48:02
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