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grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] [Music] this is from the Richmond time Times
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Dispatch out of Virginia by Times Dispatch staff writer Andrew pikovski and the headline on page B6 is slain
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lawyer a friend to many the start of the article reads Robert ju took quiet pleasure in helping other people and
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working to improve the world that was clear to many who knew him as a College of William and Mary student leader in
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the 1990s and more recently as a lawyer living in Northern Virginia and practicing in Washington DC it was also
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clear to Sarah Jackson hon who participated in hiring Robert ju age 32 as general counsel to radi free Asia
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just a month before he was slain by an intruder at the home of a friend in Washington DC quote he felt very
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strongly that he was actually making a contribution to the cause of free expression said Jackson Han Radio free
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Asia's communications director quote he really felt like he was doing a public service Juan who lived in Fairfax County
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with his wife Catherine was found stabbed to death just before midnight August 2nd 2006 in the Northwest
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Washington townhouse of a friend he had known since their college day days at William and Mary police reported the
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death and its location and college officials confirmed the residents belonged to Juan's college friend
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initially detectives were looking into the possibility that a burglar broke into the house and encountered Juan by
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chance but investigators told the Washington Post there were no immediate signs of forced entry and authorities
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believe that the knife used stab Robert Juan came from the kitchen an investigator said police continue to
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search for evidence the evidence we have found so far would lead us to believe Mr
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Juan was not the victim of some happen stance said police Sergeant Brett Parson quote this attack was specific toward
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him this is true crime garage [Applause] [Applause] this is a very strange case that we have
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to deal with this week here in the garage there are a lot of strange angles and even some strange well very strange
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evidence as to what happened or what may not have happened now unfortunately we know exactly the outcome a dead married
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and professional young man 32-year-old Robert Juan but there is so much more in the way of details timeline and
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especially evidence that we just don't know and this of course has led to not knowing who is responsible for this
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murder and make no mistake about it this is murder no one says otherwise the Emy
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the police his family and the persons whose home Robert was murdered in all say murder but by who we do not have a
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great understanding of how everything played out or even the why why any of this happened at all what was the motive
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for this murder now after I have just spent the last minute telling so many things that we do not know I tell you
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this there is so much that we do know and I think if we explore this together some of us may be able to reach our own
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conclusions and I said conclusions because I have no doubt that we won't arrive at different conclusions this
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case has been heavily suggested by you The Listener and I want to thank you for that because this to me is one of the
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most fascinating cases we have ever looked at we have covered a lot of cases we are over 800 episodes deep now and I
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will tell you this there are some details in this case that we have not seen in other cases before and that is
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very rare for us here in the garage typically when we review other cases we start to see some similarities to other
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true crime stories that we've reviewed from past episodes and what is fascinating and intriguing to me in that
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regard is a lot of times you can take something that you learned in case a and apply it to case b to have a better
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understanding here as said we have some details within the timeline and information that is very different from
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any of the cases that we've covered previously and it and it makes you take pause and sit back and go okay what do I
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do with this information how do i digest it and how do I come to some kind of thought as to what this piece of
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information in the timeline or this detail of the case may mean captain my initial reaction to this case and we
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have been talking about covering this case for quite some time as you pointed out it's been heavily suggested by our
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beautiful listeners we have had discussions about this case brief discussions since I don't know late
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spring early summer when we first started talking about possibly covering this case one of The Oddities with this
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case I find is that when I discuss this case with others I get two reactions one
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the reaction is I've never heard of that case and two how does anyone not know about this
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case one similarity that it does share with many other cases is that complete opposite reaction is often formed simply
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by where someone is located so for example people living in Virginia or the great state of Maryland or in the
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northeastern part of the country in general who follow True Crime will likely know of this case or even know
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this case quite well but once you get in the southern states in the midwest just
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not so much one thing that stands out amongst others here is that there is no shortage of resources available should
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anyone want to conduct further examination of this case after we conduct some Diagnostics here in the
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garage and I highly suspect that you will want to this is the confounding case and still unsolved murder case of a
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good young man let's give the 10,000 ft above overview of this case the short of
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it is attorney Robert Ewan who was just 32 years old and recently married working in Washington DC was murdered at
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159 Swan Street a very nice townhouse or row house located in Washington DC this
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is the home of some of his friends one detail that many zoom in on right away in this case is that Robert is a
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heterosexual man and the three men that live at this home in which he is killed are homosexual men on the night of
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Wednesday August 2nd 2006 Robert was staying the night there Robert like the others had to work the next morning
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Robert was staying there as he was working late on this night was due in early the next day and was hoping to
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avoid a commute from work and then back to work in the morning according to the three men that live at 1509 Swan Street
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sometime after all had gone to bed and in true entered the home after hearing some noises they went to investigate and
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that is when they found Robert dead lying in bed in the guest room of the home none of the occupants of the home
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could describe the Intruder in fact they say that none of them saw the Intruder the Swan Street housemates are Joseph
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price Victor zaborski and Dylan Ward at 11:49 p.m. one of the men that lived at the home Victor zaborski called
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911 paramed arrived before police Robert was unresponsive and just a short time later Robert Juan was pronounced dead of
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his injuries at the George Washington University Hospital emergency room at 12:24 a.m. on August 3rd
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2006 all right Captain are you ready yes sir we have a lot of ground to cover here my friend let's dig in shall we you
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can do it first a little background leading up to August 2006 and the night in question we talked about how great of
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a dude Robert was in the trailer he was a man that looked for ways to help people that was a major reason that he
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studied and practice law to help people and to stick up for people so when we say we lost a good one we mean we lost a
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good one Robert and Kathy ju were married in 2003 and they lived in Oakton Virginia Kathy Juan stated to police
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that Robert had no enemies that she knew of and that they had no financial troubles she said that they were happily
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married and looking forward to a long future together this next part I love I think everybody needs a road dog someone
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to travel through life with and its best when that road dog is your spouse Kathy
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and Robert traveled each day to work together into the District of Columbia by way of the Metro the morning of
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August 2nd 2006 was was no different the night of Wednesday August 2nd is the night in question now two weeks earlier
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Robert told his wife that he was thinking of making arrangements to spend the night in the district of Colombia
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this would be on the night of August 2nd and this would be for a good reason Robert and Kathy were commuting each day
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into the city for work they took the Metro Robert had recently begun a new job he was the general counsel of Radio
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free Asia he planned to introduce himself to the night shift employees at Radio free and
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also to attend continuing legal education courses that course that he needed to attend was that night in DC as
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well and I think we've all been there you have to work late and then you have to go back home and you might have to be
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in early in the morning and it justes doesn't make a lot of sense and some people go well he he had money so he
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could have got a hotel but he also had a lot of friends in the area so he's going
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to make arrangements with his his long-term friend Joe price to stay at their place just a couple minutes from
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where he's working by taxi cab so it's going to be a quick trip go over to your buddy's house spend the night wake up in
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the morning get back to work so Robert told his wife that instead of making that commute back to Oakton after all of
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this as the captain said when you think about it makes sense an early commute to
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a job you care so very much about an evening with continued education class and a meet and greet that you set up
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with the night crew at work and then commuting back just to wake up early and commute in again no no and no thank you
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and some reports state that Robert had to be in earlier than normal the next day so if that's true then he wouldn't
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be traveling with the road dog right he wouldn't have his companion with him for
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the way home that night or the way back into work the following morning so Robert figured he'd just reach out to
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some friends and I think that this might be a little bit of key into trying to peek beyond the curtain and see what
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might be going on or at least that we can try to surmise what was going on here he reached out to some friends to
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see if he could stay with one of them in DC the night of August 2nd he actually contacted two longtime friends one was a
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man just a couple of years older than Robert his name like the captain said is Joseph price Robert also contacted
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another friend a female friend to see if either could house him for the night both friends he had known from their
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years together at the College of William and Mary Joseph price responded via email that he would be happy to have
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Robert stay with him and his housemates at 1509 Swan Street then on July 31st 2006 Joseph and Robert emailed back and
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forth a little bit the plans that Robert would arrive by taxi around 11: p.m. after his visit with the late shift
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employees at Radio free reminder Robert's wife Kathy ju knew and approved of her husband's plan to stay with
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Joseph price and his housemates on August 2nd 2006 okay that is the set up here for about what is to take place
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that's the plan according to all parties Robert his wife Kathy Joseph and his two
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roommates on August 2nd 2006 Robert and Kathy got ready for work they took the Metro together to their normal stop and
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just like any other morning they kiss goodbye before parting ways this is at Connecticut Avenue at about 8:45 a.m.
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Kathy never saw her husband alive again after their morning commute Robert then went on to have a normal day at work
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after work Robert and a colleague attended the continued education class at 9:15 p.m. Robert left the
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seminar at 9:30 p.m. Robert called his wife to tell her that he was in route from his evening class back to the radio
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free Asia offices to meet with the night crew many of the timelines I have seen state that he also called his wife to
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say good night on the same call he arrived at Radio free located at 20th and M streets Northwest at
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9:40 p.m. and after meeting with employees there he then called Joseph price from his work desk at 10:24 p.m.
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this to say hey I'm getting ready to leave I'm on my way to your place so Robert had many options because he had
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many friends but but this is a great option for him because it's very close it's going to be a less than 10minute
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cab ride over to 1509 Swan Street and we might have to Circle back to this later
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when we get into some of the details because the police were a little suspicious of well why wouldn't he just
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head back home and I I think we've gone through that enough to say that this seems to be his intention he
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had to work late he had to be back in quite early he couldn't travel with his wife either way and look he's probably
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just trying to cut a little bit of a corner to be very professional and be very dedicated to his job on this night
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and the next morning the timeline that I'm looking at here Captain this is from wh murdered Robert juan.com uh it's a
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fine website it it looks like they've posted a lot of stuff over the years some of it may have been taken down over
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time as this investigation has really on but this timelight timeline seems to be
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the most accurate and it's very pinpoint to the minute here so this timeline says
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at 10:30 p.m. Robert Juan arrives at 1509 Swan Street around 10:45 p.m. Robert is
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chatting with Joseph price and Dylan Ward they're drinking water he at some point around this time
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10:45 he goes to take a shower and goes to bed now we can hear Dylan Ward being interviewed by police later describing
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that evening and Dylan Ward is telling police very similar to what this timeline says he says we were hanging
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out in the kitchen we were all standing around the sink the three of us and we were sipping water he does mention that
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at some point Joseph price believes that he he's seeing something maybe it's a spider or some kind of bug and he steps
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outside this would be through the back door that is off of the kitchen then he returns and when he returns Robert says
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something like you know I've worked a long day I'd like to grab a shower before bed so they show him upstairs to
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where he will be staying it's referred to time and time again as a guest room it's technically a
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study that doubles as a guest room this is a very nice house and we'll get into the details of the house but he's
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staying essentially in a study a room that is Prim used as a study or a den that has a pullout bed couch in this
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room so he's going to be sleeping on that bed and have this entire room to himself I think one of the tough things
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when a case becomes so talked about and maybe not by like you said some people never even heard of this case but it's a
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case that once you've heard of you have to do some digging you have to go down some rabbit holes so we have Joe Victor
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and Dylan living together and there's a dynamic there so Joe and Victor they are
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husband and husband and then Dylan has a relationship with Joe but it seems based
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off of the I don't even know if you want to call him interrogation but the questioning after the crime that there's
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a relationship between Joe and Victor they're married there's a Rel relationship between Joe and Dylan and
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they're working on creating a relationship between Dylan and Victor but it's not really happening yes and I
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think that's key to try to analyze that I don't think that we're going to try to
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pretend to understand it's just like with with a husband and wife relationship or boyfriend girlfriend
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boyfriend boyfriend relationship it's difficult for us here in the garage with any relationship to try to fully
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understand the Dynamics within the walls of any household yeah but this is also proof that these individuals are crazy
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because it's it's crazy enough to have one partner I couldn't imagine the stress of having two partners I thought
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about that I don't think I could find two people to put up with me right it's maybe I can brainwash one person I'm the
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problem right I'm I'm just want to put that out there I'm the problem I'm the one that should be sleeping at the
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homeless shelter but so you're exactly right captain from my understanding it's that because this has been referred to
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in many different ways as a a threesome a trple uh but then there's also people that have said No it's it's a a two on
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two a one-on-one relationship and then another separate one-on-one relationship what's key though here for the layout of
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the house and for our what's going to turn into unfortunately a crime scene yeah is
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that Joseph and Victor share a bedroom up on the third floor what we would call the third floor Dylan has his own room
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and his room is on the second floor the same floor that Robert's going to be sleeping on exactly Robert Juan will be
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sleeping on floor number two at the study SLG guest room I do want to point out something here before we move too
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far and I don't think this is a big deal but just because there's so much information out there and there are so
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many ears that have already listened to and eyeballs that have reviewed this case I want to go full circle here
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because there are some timelines that I have reviewed that state Victor zosi did not
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know so he returns home rather late that day and in those timelines he is unaware
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that Robert Juan is staying the night that night he kind of gets told that when he returns home right and in those
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timelines he goes to bed or at least upstairs to their bedroom he retires to his bedroom before Robert even arrives
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at the Home in other timelines Victor is downstairs when Robert arrives but shortly after retires to the room what
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we do know is Victor goes upstairs at some point to his bedroom and watches TV and we do know that the other three men
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Robert Joe and Dylan are downstairs alone the three of them in the kitchen this according to Joseph and according
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to Dylan now there are some people in law enforcement that don't buy this story they think you had Arrangements
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weeks in advance to have your friend come over these three men love to entertain that it wouldn't be a
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situation where he that Robert would just come over and want to go right to bed I think one I I don't understand why
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they make this argument or make these comments because I've worked with several people where I have to stay the
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night at their house maybe after a show or before a show or after a recording session and if
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it's been a long night we might not stay up all night drinking and partying because we have to wake up very early
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the next day so sometimes it's get home all right time to go to bed see you in the morning so I I just don't understand
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why some people in law law law enforcement or some people online have speculated that this is a complete Fab
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fabrication of the start of the night well the thing is we only have the word of the three men that lived in the home
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and then the word of Robert's wife Kathy who I have no reason to to not believe right that Robert told his wife the
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truth but can I guarantee it no and I think that I don't think that this is just within law
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enforcement I think it's with any line of work or really maybe this is more of a male thing and and I can't speak for
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the fairer section out there but I think maybe with some men they have a very difficult time trying to understand or
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wrap their heads around the idea that that a man with a wife at home would go and stay with three homosexual men for a
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night right and we we know that we're not putting words into their mouths because we know that based off of the
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questioning those the I I don't want to call it an interrogation it got it seemed to get loud and heated at times
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but it didn't feel like an interrogation to me the parts I was able to review but
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you can tell that police keep bringing that up in their questioning of each of these individuals well why would Robert
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even want to stay with you guys you must have been going to have some kind of party that night right or they
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speculate that Robert must be homosexual as well because why would a straight man
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stay with three homosexuals and some people speculate that these cops were homophobic and then law enforcement has
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said they're absolutely not homophobic but they were posing questions in a way to try to Rattle these three individuals
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yeah and you that's a technique that it often times pans out you got if somebody
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is is sticking and walking the line of a narrative you're trying to bounce them off of that narrative you're trying to
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upset them and get them to react to you and say something that maybe they did not want to say so I understand the
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tactic here but one thing that I think that we should point out we don't know the full intent of everybody there that
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night and that will be clear very soon but the thing I think is worth pointing out Robert's an extremely professional
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man as is Joseph and Victor Joseph is very successful he's he's an attorney himself
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and Victor from my understanding was like the point man for the got milk campaign like he's traveling for work
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he's got a big job he's got a big salary he wears a suit every day to work Dylan
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has a bunch of different jobs but I think the thing that we need to keep in mind when we're reviewing this is that
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at this point in our timeline the way it looks to me is we have four men three that live together one that's visiting
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for the night and of those four men three of them are very professional SL successful individuals who I would
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believe are all going to go to bed at a reasonable hour because they all have very good jobs that they need to hustle
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off to in the morning they're all in their early to mid 30s successful motivated individuals I think would be
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different if it if they were all in their early 20s and just had or a bunch of lackies yeah or like you know had
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jobs that they didn't really care about these guys didn't have jobs they had careers yeah three of these guys had
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jobs that all of us would love to have uh would love to be skilled enough to to have those jobs and be successful Adam
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so at this point what we have is the three men remember Victor is in bed upstairs whether he's in bed before
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Robert arrives or very quickly after he's up there watching a show according to everybody's information that they've
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told to police Joseph arrives up in the bedroom retires to the bedroom with Victor and Victor's still awake watching
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the show but you know getting ready to fall asleep things are going to if if we are to believe that things played out
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this way things are going to start to happen very quickly because the thing that makes this case so damn difficult
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for me Captain is such the a short window of time that a lot of things no matter who you think is responsible
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there's so much stuff that had to go down in such a short window of time before the paramedics and police are on
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the scene according to the reports Robert takes a shower he's brought an overnight bag with him he gets into his
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uh what what is described as normal sleeping attire this is a a gray William and Mary t-shirt and a pair of shorts he
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retires to the guest room again it's a foldout couch that he'll be sleeping on that night and at the same time we have
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Dylan who says that he's gone to his room and some of the reports state that he took a sleeping pill and then read
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for 5 minutes and dozed off other Reports say he read for a few minutes then took his sleeping pill and dozed
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off either way according to him he did some reading and he took a sleeping pill now that all takes place at about 10:45
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p.m. maybe 5 minutes after according to the people that live at this home now we
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have this crazy window of 11:00 p.m. to 11:30 p.m. where we don't really know what happened so during this
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time we have Joseph Victor who say that they heard a door Chim they heard noise noises and then
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they went down to the second floor so let's examine the door chime what they're saying is they have a security
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system shout out to Simply Safe they have a security system but it sounds like they didn't set the alarm
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that night I think they had a system that wasn't really connected I don't think their alarm
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system was connected to a outside Source what you're saying is it wasn't a monitored system so you're not paying
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the monthly fee for it to be monitored but what happens if if you purchase a home and there's already an alarm system
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there for those that are not familiar it's kind of cool even if you're not having it monitored so there like if
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somebody breaks in there's nobody monitoring the system to notify the police or notify the fire department if
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the smoke detectors go off but if you have an existing system you still get the little chirps and Chimes and noises
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that the different systems make and what they're referring to here is the door chime is it when when that door breaks
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from the frame when it comes open swings open it will make a noise some will make
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a chime some do like a doorbell type sound I know that mine will make a chime and then it says what door was open
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garage door open and it's it's usually not particularly loud because you don't want it to be a disturbance a constant
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disturbance but they're saying that at some point between the minutes of 11:00 p.m. and 11:30 they hear a door chime
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followed by noises some have described these noises as grunts or gurgles or murmur they they're not real clear on
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what they hear they go downstairs to the second floor and that is when they discover Robert Juan's B
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[Music] [Applause] all right we are back tall hands and the air cheers mates cheers mates I got two
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tall cans in the air one in each hand mhm here's where things get a little dicey all right and we I want to be
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clear here the details that we've gone over after Robert ju arrives at their home there's no question about what time
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he arrives at the home we have the the taxi cab information to tell us what time he drops off Robert everything that
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happens once he enters that home we're only getting that information from the three guys that live there
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unfortunately if if Robert could tell us what happened we wouldn't have a story to tell right so all of this could have
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went down completely different than as described now one thing that I think is in question here I've seen different
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time timelines I've heard the police speak about this I've heard attorney speak about this and I've heard a judge
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talk about this no one seems to agree 1,00% there was supposed there was a single scream at some point at times
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it's suggested that the scream Was Heard by Joseph and Victor before they run down to the second floor to investigate
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yeah implying that the scream would be coming from Robert Robert or or this would be weird if some stranger who
00:35:00
attacked Robert did the scream but nonetheless they say they hear a scream the other way that this is described and
00:35:07
this is this part is so damn confusing for me Captain is some of these timelines state that Victor is the one
00:35:15
that screams a single scream when he finds Robert when he when he walks in with Joseph and goes sees this shocking
00:35:25
event oh my God our friend's dead on the bed that he's the one that screamed what's
00:35:30
interesting though is we have confirmation from Neighbors about this scream they of course don't know who
00:35:38
made the scream but we have a neighbor that states I heard a single scream as well and it was around the same time you
00:35:45
know 11: to 11:30 p.m. because remember this is a row house they share a wall it's like a like an apartment if you
00:35:53
will you have your living space but you have a shared wall on one or both sides of you that
00:36:00
somebody may hear noises yeah and I think there's two ways to look at it some people think that Joe and Dylan
00:36:09
were doing something to Robert and then Victor stumbles upon the scene then other people say well if they
00:36:19
believe that these guys are innocent that well they heard the Chimes they woke up they ran down the steps they saw
00:36:26
the body Victor screams well that's why this case is so tricky because you have other folks that will say Dylan did
00:36:33
something on his own or that all three of them did something to or with Robert there was a great blogging Trio that
00:36:41
covered this case and during the documentary one of them said that this is a puzzle that you have to put
00:36:48
together but some of the pieces are missing and some of the pieces are lying to you and do not turn off this podcast
00:36:56
not now not ever but I recommend that even if you listen to and after listening to both episodes
00:37:03
if you have peacock go and watch the two-part docu series yes it feels like a quick watch because it is it's very
00:37:11
engaging the thing that's difficult for us here as true crime storytellers if you will in this moment because this
00:37:19
isn't a case that we've worked firsthand the difficult part for us is there are pieces of this case that almost require
00:37:26
visuals for you to have a better understanding and I think that that documentary did such a darn good job of
00:37:34
including the necessary visuals at the necessary times when telling this True Crime Story well hopefully in the next
00:37:42
couple months we're going to do a episode and update our list of best true crime documentaries of all time and I
00:37:51
will be putting this documentary on my list at 11:49 we have the 911 call now anybody that knows this case this 911
00:38:01
call is Infamous by this point but before we get to that we have to mention that in our timeline and this is key
00:38:07
because remember the the time in question here seems to be 11:00 p.m. to 11:30 when we have Joseph price and
00:38:15
Victor zaborski telling police at some time during that half an hour we heard the door chimes we hear noises and that
00:38:22
prompted us to go downstairs I don't believe I don't believe that that could have been at
00:38:28
11:00 because either they're completely lying or it was after this marker on our
00:38:34
timeline because at 11:05 p.m. there are two emails composed but not sent to Robert's wife Kathy all right so we
00:38:45
get a email at 11:05 and then there's an email to a colleague at 11:07 on Robert's
00:38:54
Blackberry again the information we have is that those emails were composed but not sent what is not in question is this
00:39:03
next marker on our timeline at 11:49 p.m. Robert zaborski calls 911 NBC emergency 911 operator 6752 do
00:39:15
you need police fire or ambulance an ambulance what WR man we just we had someone name us in our house
00:39:25
evidently and they stabbed somebody okay somebody's inside the house now I don't know we heard are they bleeding
00:39:32
you see someone bleeding someone is bleeding in our house okay where's they bleeding
00:39:37
from I think he's I think in the stomach in the stomach is he conscious calm down for me I'm G send
00:39:45
some help okay female or male it's a male he's a friend of ours he SP spending the night with us okay and who
00:39:52
was the person that stabbed him do you know is he is he conscious we need's not conscious he's not conscious
00:40:00
at all no we need someone right now is he breathing listen to me calm down I'm going to help you okay she
00:40:08
breathing I'm upstairs and she's downstairs I don't know okay who's downstairs fo my partner
00:40:17
is downstairs with him right now he told me to go upstairs and call the police immediately I just to theair okay who's
00:40:23
the person okay I'm sending paramedics and the police okay who's the person that stab him I don't know we think it's
00:40:30
somebody with an intruder in the house we heard the chime the door it's 15 ma'am calm down 1509 Swan
00:40:40
Street Northwest am I correct the person that said she still in the home I don't know
00:40:59
we got help and Ro okay me we have help and R they are they R to you now saying the
00:41:09
podis and the paramedics okay so s okay what I need you to do is go downstairs okay the place where wherever he was
00:41:16
stabed at I need you to get a dry cloth okay and just apply pressure to that area if he was wherever he would stab
00:41:22
that on his body and you take a towel downstairs while you're waiting for the paramedic to arrive and just apply
00:41:27
pressure even if the rag or towel is saturated with blood just get another towel and put it on top but never lift
00:41:34
the first towel off the area hold it on once you get filled that with blood just
00:41:38
put another towel on top of that and just apply pressure until the par in the heart okay is he
00:41:55
breathing we have helping Ro now okay you don't know who it was okay is he breathing
00:42:12
breathing okay we have help and R ma'am okay we do have help and R okay just go down there and try to tell your husband
00:42:19
or your other um the other half to just try to keep them calm and talk to him okay keep them calm and talk to him cu
00:42:27
want get there and at the same time get the dry cloth and just hold it right there in the area my
00:42:33
holding okay and once it get saturated with blood can them get another one go get another towel you can applying on
00:42:39
top of that one once it get filled up with blood we need we need you to apply pressure on that area a okay just hold
00:42:45
it there until the param get there they should be pulling up any moment if they already enrolled to your location you
00:42:49
don't know who did this we have no idea get the door open so they can get in we don't know how they got in okay
00:42:59
I'm asking you now it's the door open so the paramedic get in once they get here
00:43:07
sorry what was you saying is the door open so they can get in is the door open so the so the paramedic get in a home
00:43:15
I'm going to go down is this a primal home or apartment it's it's a home it's a home at 139 Swan Street Northwest the
00:43:21
person had one of our KN the person that sat and ran out the door with a knife I I
00:43:29
think okay anybody get any type of description of the person that came in home no idea we have no description we
00:43:35
heard we heard the chime and and we heard the scream from our pen okay and so we came running downstairs we ran in
00:43:46
so you both was upstairs and your friend was downstairs Yes you heard the door open and then you heard a scream we
00:43:51
didn't I didn't hear the door open until after the scream and then we ran down upstairs and we heard we we have an
00:43:58
alarm and so the chime went off okay is the indul please we really need the indul okay they in WR in ma'am go to the
00:44:07
door they should be putting up any moment okay I'm afraid to go on okay the person who's downstairs with
00:44:14
the person that was assaulted no we're in the we're on the second floor okay so somebody need to go downst open the door
00:44:19
for the pyramid you're not sure if that person is still in the home or not I have no idea okay we have pyramed in
00:44:24
Road okay what time is it what time is it at the moment yes 23:54 it's 11:54 ma4
00:44:33
yes I'll St on the line with you I will stay on the line till somebody get there
00:44:36
okay I won't hang up we need them right now I'm not hanging up but we we need help now okay they in R ma'am they iron
00:44:47
R let me know when you need the par minutes can you look out the window and see if you hear them coming I'm I'm
00:44:52
looking out the window and I see nothing I see nobody okay seem like forever but
00:44:56
they are manam they're coming here they are here they are they're there I'm going downstairs okay I'll
00:45:10
Stand the line with you till you open door for a PIR minutes okay help us we have someone was sta on our second
00:45:24
floor ma'am it's really an mer I mean he maybe he's s ma'am it's going be okay [Laughter]
00:46:13
so some of that is hard to understand we cleaned it up the best we could Captain's like an audio
00:46:23
janitor I mean that in the highest regard hey hey accept I I threw my mop down on the floor and by judging of the
00:46:31
size of your key ring that you have in there has many keys um curious about your thoughts because I have many on
00:46:41
this 911 call yeah so pass the penny to me I'll give you my thoughts I'll pass that penny back to you one thing that I
00:46:48
think is key there is first off a shout out to the emergency services worker who
00:46:56
is giving potential life-saving efforts and ideas to the man on the phone and she's trying to say you
00:47:05
know this is what you got to do we got to stop that bleeding we got to stop that bleeding the paramedics are on
00:47:10
their way so kudos to her because she's attempting to help the situation the best she can via a telephone yeah and I
00:47:18
also love the way she says bled that's cool i' I'm going to start doing so can stop the blood and I also like the fact
00:47:25
that she keeps calling him maam right well yeah he does have a higher octave type voice and he's look he's either
00:47:34
let's go ahead and get this out of the way he's either a a a fairly decent actor or he's incredibly stressed out
00:47:41
and panicking right and maybe his voice is even higher than normal you've you've
00:47:45
heard me when the podcast starts going bad and I'm not on Mike I way up here like this what's going on but I also
00:47:51
think it shows a little bit of Victor's character and how he is treating her because he clearly has to I mean look we
00:48:01
know he's in a panic state but she calls him ma'am over and over and we've heard
00:48:07
other 911 calls yeah where they say hey ma'am you need to calm down or try to calm down and the then the person reacts
00:48:17
I'm not I'm I'm not a ma'am oh one of our listeners please email or hit us up on X because I for the life of me I kept
00:48:24
trying to figure out what what case was that when because in that case it's very
00:48:29
different where the the the man is calling in he's panicking his voice is quite High the 911 operator refers to
00:48:36
him as ma'am I think more than once and it's on the second time where his demeanor completely changes where he's
00:48:42
like I'm a I'm a man I'm not a you know he goes right into anger mode but so to be clear here he's either truly
00:48:50
panicking or it's a put on but one thing that I think is very interesting because
00:48:55
we went over the the timeline leading up to this 911 call so far and one thing that's in question amongst the timelines
00:49:02
out there is the scream where did it come from who did the scream in his statement there that is recorded so he's
00:49:08
locked and loaded on this statement he says we heard a scream then we heard the door chime then we went downstairs so by
00:49:18
that version Victor zaborski version on the 911 call the scream happened before the door sh and the scream happened
00:49:28
before he and Joseph went downstairs therefore he can't be describing his own scream correct I agree with you and I
00:49:38
think when she talks about making sure the door is open for the EMTs his reaction of I don't want to go
00:49:48
downstairs like I'm scared to go downstairs there's a part of me that believes Victor and at this point I
00:49:57
don't know if Victor knows what actually happened I know law enforcement says he
00:50:03
uses terms like we and but it's like I don't think that is that crazy to to say to somebody
00:50:12
because you are with people so we heard the tri we heard the Chimes we heard the
00:50:19
screams well of course he would say that because he's lying in bed with another person right and what I think what he's
00:50:27
what he's implying there is again if it went down as he's describing because it could all be a lie but if it went down
00:50:36
as he's describing to the the 911 person that we heard a scream meaning we both you know you wake up from your sleep or
00:50:45
you both you rise up in bed and you what was that did you hear that yeah I heard
00:50:49
that that was a scream so we heard a scream seems appropriate I think that's one thing
00:50:56
that's a a little tricky here though is remember that chime would take place when the door breaks from the frame when
00:51:04
the door opens so if it goes down as said here on this recording scream door chime we went
00:51:12
downstairs if it was only one person that came into the home and did whatever Happened Here killed your friend that
00:51:20
doorchime after the scream might be indicative that that person has left the house and I think it's also confusing to
00:51:27
me because he's saying we think that Intruder has one of our knives yeah but if he was telling the complete truth he
00:51:37
would have went downstairs with Joe yeah they would have seen the knife either because Joe
00:51:45
changes his stories and we're going to get to that but Joe's initial story was the knife was laying on his chest on
00:51:55
Robert's chest so he would have seen the knife so why is he speculating that the Intruder has
00:52:02
their knife that's a little strange to me but then Joe changes his story and says well actually it wasn't on his
00:52:09
chest I pulled it out of him well that's something you would definitely remember
00:52:15
seeing and also it's very strange that Joe changes his story on this point because like law enforcement and the
00:52:23
prosecutor in this case points out that is not not something you would that's an
00:52:28
action that you're probably going to remember for the rest of your life you may not remember retrieving a knife off
00:52:34
of a person's chest or or stomach In the Heat of the Moment if you pull it out of a wound yeah you're
00:52:43
you're remembering that whether you want to or not and for most people they would
00:52:48
not want to remember anything like that ever again and I think that regarding Joseph's statements or changing
00:52:56
statements about where the knife was when he entered the room either sorry still in the victim or on lying on the
00:53:02
victim I have no idea why he would change that story I I've looked at it a million different ways wondering what
00:53:08
kind of what what would be the purpose of stating that the only purpose in changing your story would either be a
00:53:17
that you want them to have a complete understanding of the truth because you want them to find the person that did it
00:53:23
you're trying to assist in getting some Justice for your your poor friend or B you're changing your story to cover up
00:53:31
or make sense of some evidence or explain away some evidence that they may find later the troubling thing here is
00:53:37
both ways he's saying he picked it up and handled the knife so if you're trying to cover up them knowing that you
00:53:44
had the knife in your hand at any point you've not done that because both of the
00:53:48
stories put the knife in your hand the thing in regard to Victor and some of his statements I think that there's a
00:53:56
strong chance whether he knows exactly what happened or partly what happened or none of what happened and he's totally
00:54:03
just scared and wondering what what went on there's a chance that wherever that knife truly
00:54:10
was he may not have exactly seen that because the way that that I understand it Captain it's that Joseph is
00:54:18
explaining this later and may be explaining it to Victor and Dylan as well so let's Zoom in here and highlight
00:54:27
a window on our timeline remember we said sometime between it it would have to be you know
00:54:34
this timeline on who killed Robert juan.com is great but really truly it would have to be sometime between
00:54:42
11:08 after these emails were composed on the BlackBerry and 1149 when the 911 call is
00:54:50
placed that is when Robert Juan was stabbed three times in the chest and abdomen with a knife and yes the knife
00:54:57
that is found on Robert is a knife from the knife block that came out of the kitchen there from that house what these
00:55:07
three individuals are kind of implying if you lump them all together on the 911 call what they're implying is an
00:55:15
intruder broke into the house took our knife from the kitchen went upstairs went past
00:55:24
Dylan's room correct went into Robert's room and a question that I've never been
00:55:30
able to find is were both doors shut or was Robert doors or was Robert's door open but they want us to believe that
00:55:42
they the Intruder passed Dylan's room went to the other side of the bed and we'll dive into that evidence more
00:55:52
stabbed him three times perfect stab marks no movement from Robert whatsoever yeah left the knife inside him or on top
00:56:06
of him and then left and then they called 911 it just seems very strange okay so
00:56:15
let's go into this here we have as stated stabed three times in the chest an abdomen with a knife the wounds were
00:56:23
unusually uniform in dimension or orientation and depth meaning like what the captain said in short they're damn
00:56:32
near identical which is very difficult to do for a number of reasons Robert Juan was for reasons that are not
00:56:40
explained or unexplainable especially if this is the the real scenario he didn't move he was
00:56:47
immobile the entire time that he was stabbed three different times so one stab wound peripher his heart at the
00:56:58
aortic route and transected his left interior anterior descending coronary artery causing
00:57:07
acute cardiac Tampa and I'm I am sorry to my my my deepest apologies to the medical community I did
00:57:18
not say that last word correctly but from my understanding what that means I did a little bit of work on on what this
00:57:25
type of injury would how it would play out this is this is uh something to keep in mind here with an injury like this
00:57:38
that effectively shuts down his heart but it shuts down the flow of blood as well it it causes the blood to not be
00:57:47
able to pump and it's the medical information that I have reviewed says that the the
00:57:55
victim would be conscious within 60 seconds of this type of injury however it it makes no damn sense to me that he
00:58:04
stabbed lying so he's found lying on top of the sheets right he's not under the covers Robert Juan is lying on his back
00:58:11
again he's wearing his his gray college t-shirt with shorts he's laying on top of the covers he's stabbed in these
00:58:19
three almost uniform identical stab wounds and the information that theic medical examiner and even the paramedics
00:58:29
that that were first on the scene were saying he wasn't moving for whatever reason he was not moving now some people
00:58:36
could say well he was asleep but you you're going your body's naturally going to react right you're going you're going
00:58:43
to uh recoil uh or or you're going to wake up and try to defend yourself for whatever reason none of that happened
00:58:52
yeah and this becomes very complex and confusing because also we don't know where he was stabbed first and so even
00:59:01
if he was stabbed in the heart first we should see some sort of blood splatter um so that to me doesn't make
00:59:11
much sense at all and so what law enforcement leans towards is the idea that he was drugged
00:59:20
and basically in a like coma type State and so if if he was if he was drugged by
00:59:28
somebody and he was if he was drugged by somebody and and he was overdosing on this that could have slowed down his
00:59:38
heart rates to the point where there would be no like I said blood spatter or splatter and um the I'll take let me
00:59:48
take it a step further here Captain so this is the first part of the whole damn story that makes
00:59:54
me go H the things that make you go H this is the first thing that makes me go hm because right it's correctly pointed
01:00:03
out by many people he should have had a reaction we should see some kind of reaction by his body whether he was
01:00:10
asleep or awake or woke up just a split hair second before he stabbed that we don't see that in the
01:00:17
wounds that would be an indicator on the wounds that that he was as said knocked
01:00:23
out in a comos like state he he wasn't he wasn't responsive or conscious when he was stabbed I'll take
01:00:30
it a step further I don't even think he was stabbed on that bed okay CU all right anybody here trained in
01:00:41
CPR I am I've taken several CPR classes the one of the things that they teach you at CPR classes and or if you've not
01:00:50
taking any CPR classes when you call 911 the thing that they tell you too if you're trying to admin CPR to somebody
01:00:57
that's lying on a bed the first thing they tell you is get them off of the bed if you are able to because you cannot
01:01:04
administer CPR to somebody that's on a bed there's Springs or there's give there's there's an earthquake effect
01:01:10
that takes place so even that stab to have one two three and they're identical even if he's
01:01:19
not moving the damn bed in itself is going to cause them to be there's going to be different inches there's going to
01:01:27
be different marks and angles to those wounds if they're in succession rapid succession because of the earthquake
01:01:35
effect simply of him lying on the bed that doesn't take place and look if if he wasn't stabbed on the bed then their
01:01:45
story doesn't make any damn sense from there we know that Robert Juan was pronounced dead of his injuries at the
01:01:51
George Washington University Hospital emergency room this is at 12 12:24 a.m. on August 3rd now around that same
01:02:00
time we have Joseph price Dylan Ward and Victor zaborski that are transported to
01:02:09
MPD for questioning now this is after police have arrived on the scene so we have EMTs on the scene then police on
01:02:18
the scene Robert is removed from the scene police are trying to assess what took place here detectives are talking
01:02:26
to the three men that live at the townhouse and sadly while this is going on Robert ju is pronounce
01:02:39
[Music] that we want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage join us
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for part two and until then be good be kind sign don't litter [Music]