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brand [Music] John B Ramsey and she was strangled with a cord Little Miss Colorado 6-year-old murder victim John
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Ben Ramsey unknown Intruder her [Applause] brother Victory John B Ramsey oh my God they still have not interviewed the
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parents I Didn't Do It John Ramsey didn't do it and we didn't have a clue of anybody who did
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do my life has been held from that day forward and I want nothing more and to find out who was responsible for this
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there would be very few little girls as famous as Blonde six-year-old John Benet
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Patricia Ramsey she was born in Atlanta Georgia on August 6th 1990 to parents John Bennett Ramsay and Patricia an
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ramsy her name as unique as it was was a combination of her father's first and middle names her Father John was a
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wealthy businessman and her mother py was a former beauty queen John Ramsey was a smart calculated and determined
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man he graduated from Michigan State University in 1966 with an electrical engineering
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degree 5 years later a master's in Business Administration from MSU John was married before he and his
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first wife had three children Elizabeth Melinda and John Andrew but the two divorce in
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1978 on November 5th 1980 he married what many considered to be the woman of his dreams 23-year-old Patricia Anne paw
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yeah better known as py paty attended West Virginia University and graduated with a ba in journalism in
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1978 just a year before she won the Miss West Virginia Beauty title in 1977 on January 27th
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1987 paty gave birth to the couple's first child Burke Ramsey then 3 and 1/2 years later they
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welcomed their second child John Benet in 1991 the family moved to Boulder Colorado for Jon's business access
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Graphics a little background here John was extremely hardworking and driven he was an entrepreneur he started a
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computer company in the 80s eventually his company and two other companies merged in 1988 this formed access
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Graphics the company was then sold to Lockheed Martin in 1991 John became the chief executive
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officer and president of access Graphics thus sparking the family to set up shop
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in beautiful Boulder Colorado the ramsy purchased a 7,000 s ft home the address 7551 15th Street
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Boulder Colorado the home was purchased for $500,000 some reports State the home is
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11,000 sare ft but I believe that would include maybe the basement balconies and
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other areas we all know how the real estate listing Game Works they also did a very extensive renovation on the
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property as well speaking of which I will do my best impression here it's a beautiful red brick tutor style home
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built in 1927 there are four floors including the basement the basement is made up of a series of small rooms the
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home features two staircases one traditional and one spiral there are five bedrooms Burke and John benet's
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rooms are located on the Second Story John B's room is complete with its own bathroom and balcony the master suite is
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above the children's rooms located on the third story The Ramsay paty in particular loved this house the ramies
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were riding pretty high but unfortunately life is often a series of Peaks and valleys sadly on January 8th
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19 1992 John Ramsay's oldest daughter from his first marriage Elizabeth Ramsey was killed in an automobile accident in
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Chicago Illinois she was just 22 years old on December 23rd 1992 the ramsy purchased a
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1,731 ft vacation home in charoy Michigan for $336,000 for those unfamiliar this is an
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absolutely beautiful area Northern Michigan Right Along Lake m Michigan absolutely gorgeous in June of 93 paty
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Ramsey is diagnosed with breast cancer for this she will receive exams at the charoy community hospital and treatments
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in Maryland now we're going to go through a pretty thorough timeline for the ramsy family some of these events
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may seem trivial however given the crime that we know is going to occur these items were included in this timeline
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because of the possibilities and the suspicions surrounding this case in 1994 7-year-old Burke hits his little
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sister Jean Benet on the cheek with a golf club well let's be clear this is not a situation where Burke decided I
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don't like you and I'm going to smash you in the face with a golf club this was purely an accident this wasn't like
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the time my brother hit me in the back with a baseball bat because he was trying to kill me I questioned this at
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first glance because we do know that children siblings will fight with one another and
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they can be quite vicious at times plus when they're very young as they would be
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in this situation it's an impulsive thing to pick up a club and hit your sister or your brother with it because
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they did something mean to you first and Burke only being 7 years old he wouldn't
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be thinking if I hit her in the face with a golf club I could possibly kill her right this could have lasting
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consequences however everything that we could find only indicates that this was just an
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accident and believe it or not in my own life I have experienced a situation where one of my friends accidentally hit
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another friend in the face with a golf club in the face on the back swing because the person was standing too
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close as the other person was taking a swing we don't have the details of this specific accident however again every
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everything indicates that it was just that an accident right but it it was pretty vicious because John B would be
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left with a scar a short time later John B underwent plastic surgery at a surgeon
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in Denver this to correct that scar on the left cheek from the golf club incident in December of
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1994 the Ramsay's giant beautiful home is one of just seven homes in the area to be included in the historic homes for
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the holidays tour this is important for a few reasons mainly this means that approximately 1,500 people will
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participate in a tour of the Ramsay's property and the house in April of 1995 four-year-old John Benet Ramsay wins the
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Colorado State Allstar kids pageant now she will participate and win several pageants I'm not going to go through all
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of them Captain frankly when researched well you get a bunch of different information so
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I will just stick to the ones that I can confirm or at least have double checked October of 1995 was a happy and
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exciting month for the Ramsay family John Benet was crowned Little Miss Colorado Sunburst and John Ramsey was
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the winner of the entrepreneur of Distinction award yeah but to be clear I don't think like her whole family was
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revolved around her winning something I think it was nice when she won and they devoted a lot of time doing it but I
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don't think it made the family's year if she got some award regarding John Ramsay's business keep in mind axis
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Graphics is doing very well and the company is growing in sales and staff quite rapidly then it was paty's turn to
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receive some recognition this came when the April 1996 issue of women's magazine
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profiled paty Ramsey this article of course will include a lot of her personal information but also a lot of
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personal information about John and the kids then in July of 1996 John Benet won
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America's Royale tiny miss the following month she finishes second in the Sunburst National Pageant this pageant
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was held in Atlanta Georgia on Saturday November 30th John Ramsey host a surprise 40th birthday
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party for his wife of 16 years and this is truly a surprise as her actual birthday is not until December 29th mhm
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this was a big 40th birthday celebration for py held at The Palace Hotel in Denver there's a lot of speculation
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though that she was not looking forward to this time and was actually very upset
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about turning 40 then on December 6th during the lights of December parade John Benet appeared on her own little
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Miss Colorado float this is an annual Parade Where Spectators enjoy floats created and decorated by local
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businesses churches and Civic groups the parade often includes marching bands fire engines holiday carolers and an
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appearance by Santa Claus this takes place in downtown Boulder in 1996 Burke was in this parade as well on Friday
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December 13th there is a big holiday party at the Ramsay's home this is attended by more than 150 of their
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friends from church so again just pointing out another event at their house with a lot of guests so what we
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are quickly learning is this is a house that has many people who have been in and is often opened up to many guests
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over just the few years that they have owned the home right 4 days later on the 17th the 6-year-old was crowned
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Colorado's Little Miss Christmas this is is one of the larger pageants that she has participated in
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and certainly an achieving moment and in hindsight really kind of just an eerie weird thing that John Benet would be
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named the 1996 Little Miss Christmas now we don't have a date but I want to make
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sure that we include this here there is a report that this took place sometime in December of 96 and this comes from a
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statement to law enforcement at some time in December John Benet tells a gardener this is
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Brian Scott about her Father John Ramsay she says I really miss him and I wish he was around more yeah he was
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working pretty hard probably traveling a lot it's later reported that his net worth at this time would be roughly $6.4
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million December 20th was a busy day for the Ramsay on two fronts one access graphics had a luncheon party and a
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celebration for more than 300 employees at the hotel Boulderado and two John participates in a school performance at
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High Peaks Elementary School paty attends the performance the access graphic cunon and the performance at the
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school are going on at the same time so pany is not present for the business celebration because she is at the school
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now it's important to keep in mind that one of these events could be tied to John B's death for any number of reasons
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truth be told none of us really know for sure here is an excerpt from the book death of Innocence authored by John and
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paty Ramsey in the book John says early in December 1996 Tom Carson came to my office John I want you to look at these
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figures I looked up at him standing at the door with a handful of papers as best as I can tell we're going to hit
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the billion dooll sales Mark in a couple of days it's a big milestone a billion dollars my mouth dropped I know we were
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close but I didn't think we were there yet it's on top of us he smiled probably in a couple of days I think we should do
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something to celebrate I agreed and for no other reason than to congratulate our
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employees a billion dollars in sales and 600 employees worldwide was a big milestone for Access Gra eics one of our
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public relations people thought we should also contact the newspaper to announce our
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success I had a gut reaction that the press release wasn't a good idea I didn't want that kind of visibility
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outside of the business still I agreed since our employees deserve the recognition now I wonder if this
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publicity might have attracted the attention of the killer or further irritated the person if he or she had a
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grudge against big business access Graphics or me note John's memory of this party in the book states that the
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luncheon was held on December 16th according to the Daily Camera business magazine this celebration was held on
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December 20th John did a phone interview regarding the company's success and on December 21st the Daily Camera business
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magazine publishes the article on axis graphics reaching $1 billion in sales all right so why are we going with
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December 20th and not December 16th that's a good question we have a couple of reasons for that one we know that the
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luncheon and the school performance occurred on the same day we have statements saying that the performance
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the school performance was on the 20th and we also have the fact that the Daily Camera business magazine article
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comes out that same year I mean just the day after the party John's book does not
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come out until years later and he's going off of memory on December 22nd John Benet Ramsey is going to be in a
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beauty pageant in the Southwest Plaza Mall this is the one that she sings Rocking around the Christmas tree and
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she has a toy saxophone sometime in late December the ramsy family sent out their
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annual Christmas card with the ramsy family updates for their loved ones the 199 6 Christmas newsletter reads as
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follows dear friends and family it's been another busy year at the Ramsey household can't believe it's almost over
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and time to start again Melinda 24 graduated from Medical College of Georgia and is working in pediatric ICU
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at Kenny Stone Hospital in Atlanta John Andrew 20 is a sophomore at the University of
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Colorado Burke is a busy fourth grader where he really shines in math and spelling he played flag football this
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fall and is currently on a basketball bench his little league team was number one he's lost just about all of his baby
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teeth so I'm sure we'll be seeing the orthodontist in 1997 John Benet is enjoying her first
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year in real school kindergarten in the core knowledge program is fast-paced and
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five full days a week she has already been moved ahead to first grade math she continues to enjoy participating in
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talent and modeling pageants she was named America's Royale tiny miss last summer and is Colorado's Little Miss
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Christmas her teacher says she is so outgoing that she will never have trouble delivering an oral book
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report John is always on the go traveling hither and yawn access recently celebrated its $1
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billion Mark in sales so he's pretty happy he and his crew were underway in the port hiron to maak Island yacht race
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in July but had to pull out Midway due to lack of wind can you believe that but his real love is the new old looking
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boat grand season which he spent months designing I spend most of my free time working in
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the school and doing volunteer work the charoy house was on the home tour in July and will likely appear in one of
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the Better Homes and Gardens Publications in 1997 on a recent trip to NYC my friend
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and I appeared among the throng of fans on The Today Show Al Roker and Bryant actually talked
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to us and we were on camera for a few fleeting moments we are all enjoying continued good
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health and look forward to seeing you in 1997 one final note thank you to all of
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my friends and my dear husband for surprising me with the biggest most outrageous 40th birthday bash I have
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ever had we'll be spending my actual birthday on the Disney big red boat over the New Year merry Christmas and much
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love the Ramsay I I kind of find this whole ritual that people do with the updating of the families it's kind of
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douchy well I feel like this is a very upper class typical holiday thing update everybody with a newsletter I've never
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and probably will never experien having to put one of these letters together yeah being just a a
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regular blue collar guy myself what it jumps out to me is that episode of Everybody Loves Raymond where they write
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a bunch of really nice stuff about themselves that's not true but here everything that paty and
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I'm assuming paty puts this together as it sounds you know she says I spend most
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of my free time it it really points to her upbringing and how polished and Posh she really is yeah
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and I everything that she has put here is true and it's just it's just interesting to see how the other half
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lives well it just seems like they should get into their douche canoe and paddle down vanity River I've never
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lived far from family and friends so maybe this is more common than what I am aware of on December 23rd this is just
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two days before Christmas the ramsy hosted a Christmas party with approximately 30 guests attending and
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with former journalism Professor Bill MC Reynolds playing Santa Claus MCR was a ramsy family
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friend probably one of the more alarming details in this timeline during the ramsy's Christmas party M at 6:47 p.m.
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someone attending the party placed a 911 call which was answered by police dispatcher theres Hillary the caller
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hung up without saying anything police called back but when they did no one answered and the call was picked up by
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the Ramsay's answering machine because of this an officer goes to the home at 6:54 p.m. the officer knocks on
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the door and is invited in and then leaves at 7:09 p.m. this after being assured that there was no emergency this
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has made people speculate was the perpetrator of this crime at this party and calling 911 to
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see how fast somebody would respond to a 911 call this is one of those items that
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you you look at it and you just go what is going on here because as you just pointed out it could mean something very
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big to this case and to the investigation right if in fact what you said and what people have speculated
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toward is true that means the Killer is at this party but or somebody that worked with the Killer is at this party
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right but you also have a lot of kids running around is it possible that one of them just picked up the phone and
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dialed 911 and then never confessed to it because they didn't want to get in trouble there is a guest list that you
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can find online I have reviewed it myself don't care to go into it here as it sounds quite boring to just read off
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a list of names the other thing I question though too Captain is what kind of staff was working this party would we
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have had people helping out whether it be Caterers or somebody answering the door Val and cars you know so it could
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extend beyond the guest list for whoever called 911 I'm with you I think that there's a very likely possibility that
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with all these kids running around one of the older kids wants to do something funny in front of the younger kids and
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calls 911 you know and gets scared and hangs up well and there's two other things some people have 911 on a speed
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dial so you have people working a party to somebody pick up the phone to call this is 1996 they don't have cell phones
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most people don't have cell phones so did somebody working the party go to make a call hit the wrong button and it
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speed dialed 911 that's something I couldn't find information from on the internet the other thing too one of my
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speculations and we'll have to get into this later is it possible that little John Benet Ramsey herself called
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about this party we're not for sure it's been reported multiple ways that the person playing Santa Claus got a tour of
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the house from John Benet Ramsay some people speculate that happened in 1996 some people say that happened in 1995
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so Bill MC reyolds was considered a family friend of the ramies and someone that he wasn't just somebody that was
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hired to play Santa Claus they they knew this man on some level right he had played Santa Claus at their holiday
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party before and as you said it's a bit confusing on the stories that you hear even over 20 years later where some
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people will say John Benet gave Bill MC Reynolds a of the home at some point during the party on in 1996 some people
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say that it may have happened in 1995 we also have a situation where it is said that John Benet gave Bill McReynolds a
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gift and he would say years later that out of all the times that he played Santa Claus out of all the parties that
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he attended as Santa Claus that John Benet was the only child to give him a gift again and he's receiving this gift
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a couple days before her death so that's something that obviously would stick out
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to you other and the only other gift that he probably ever got was like maybe a stinky lap from some dirty kid on
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Christmas Eve December 24th an article appeared in the Daily Camera regarding the Ramsay's Christmas party apparently
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this Daily Camera is just watching and Reporting everything going on in the ramsy
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world during the day on December 24th John Benet played at a friend's home this is Megan cck's house and told
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Megan's mother Barbara about a secret visit from Santa now this wasn't just her running up and saying hey Santa's
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going to visit me there was a discussion had between Megan's mother Barbara and little John Benet right Barbara
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questioned John Benet as to when Santa was going to pay her this secret visit because we are on Christmas Eve you can
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imagine the natural conversation that would be had an adult and a small child the adult is going to say something to
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the effect of yes you've been good all year and when you go to bed tonight Santa's going to visit you and when you
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wake up you're going to find all your present under the tree mhm through this conversation what Barbara would learn is
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that John Benet explains to her no I'm not talking about you know she wasn't talking about the traditional visit from
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Santa Claus as we all know it right duh that's already going to happen she says no this is going to be a secret visit
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after Christmas MH and of course at the time this doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary for Barbara or
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strange right it would only be until a few days later that this is really going to set off some alarm BS well that's
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what's so difficult about this case is there's so many little points of you can't even call them evidence just
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points of speculation that could mean everything or could mean nothing at all the other thing too here Captain is I'm
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sure there's a lot of people out there right now that if they did not know of this detail already their mind is
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immediately jumping to Santa Claus Bill Reynolds who we just discussed playing Santa Claus at the Ramsay's home on the
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23rd I think that's a natural fit we should keep in mind here though how many Christmas events has this little girl
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attended just in the recent weeks right how many Santa Clauses did she come into
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interaction with we talked about the parade that she attended that she sat on the float the main attraction was Santa
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Claus she could have spoke to a Santa Claus there or just somebody dressed as Santa Claus right or a Santa Claus at
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the mall or yeah the mall pageant that she attended there was the school event this is the second of the Ramsay's
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Christmas parties and who knows how many parties they attended as a family right
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but let's just say that she spent a little more time than some of the kids with the family friend playing Santa and
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he just casually says she she might have said something to him like well yeah I know you're going to visit me on
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Christmas what but what about after that and he's like oh well I'll I'll pay you
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a special visit after Christmas not didn't mean anything but would mean the world to a six-year-old just like the
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911 call that came from the ramsy's home on the 23rd this mention of a secret visit from Santa Claus after Christmas
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could mean a lot it could mean nothing at all in regards to the investigation on December 24th later
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that day the ramies attended the Twilight service at St John's Episcopal Church in Boulder
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Colorado around 900 p.m. John Ramsay retrieves a brand new silver girls bicycle stored at a neighbor's home this
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is Joe Barnhill's garage and he places it under the Christmas tree for John Benet and then both John and pany ramsy
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get stashed Christmas gifts out from their basement it's listed here as the basement area and place these under the
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tree as well this is interesting for a few reasons one it shows that at 900 p.m. on the 24th both R both ramsy
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adults both parents went down into the basement to retrieve these hidden Christmas gifts for the kids right their
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basement as we mentioned earlier is made up of a series of rooms there's several
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small rooms in this basement it's my understanding that the large room was more of a play
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area now given the size of this home I don't know that a designated play area means that it was frequented by the
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children often M or if it was just a once in a while type thing well their house is very interesting to me because
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it's so large but it's so blocked off in little sections it's almost like a a Maze and also when you see pictures or
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video footage when they had the little tours for the houses the Christmas tours their house looks immaculate it looks
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amazing but but when you see crime scene photos of the house it looks every room
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looks like it's in a disarray looks like to me I would say every room needs to be
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cleaned every room needs to be organized based off those pictures so it's a it's a very interesting house
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couple quick thoughts here before we move on Captain often you know this was a home built in 1927 and often when
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homes are added to over the years they end up looking like that where it's a it's a lot of smaller rooms rather than
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a few giant rooms yeah and I also wondered and I couldn't find I I know that there's blueprints of this house
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online and I found like the top floors but but I couldn't tell the basement and like you said this house has been added
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onto but a lot of times the basements aren't added onto so let's say it's a 7,000 ft home well that basement only
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might be500 squ ft the reason why I pointed out that the basement was a series of rooms as well as question how
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often the basement was an actual use by either the parents and or the kids is that my assumption here is that the
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parents are hiding the gifts from their kids they could be possibly hiding gifts
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from one another as well right but just wanted to point out that on Christmas Eve both parents state that they went
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into the basement of that home now I question how often the children would be in the basement
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because we're going to have a lot of questions going forward about a very small room that's well tucked away in
00:35:23
this basement mhm if the kids don't go down there very often there no need to hide these gifts to that extent they
00:35:32
could have just hid them in the quote unquote playroom yeah but it's pretty common knowledge that this room that
00:35:38
they quote unquote called the wine seller is a room that was unfinished it was to become a wine seller never happen
00:35:48
and that's often where they would hide gifts because that at least that part of the basement we know that the kids
00:35:55
didn't go to so we we have do we have something stating that the the gifts were hid in this wine seller no but what
00:36:05
we have from John Ramsay is when he was explaining to the police officers this is you know this is what we call the
00:36:13
wine seller but it's not finished yet it's going to be the wine seller right now it's just used for storage and
00:36:20
sometimes we put presents there for the kids on December 25th 1996 this is around 6:00 a.m. the ramsy wake up
00:36:28
later in an interview pansy will say it was 6ish probably the Ramsay John pansy Burke and John Benet will partake in the
00:36:37
normal Christmas morning activities exchanging and opening gifts breakfast and you know Captain I feel like the
00:36:45
Christmas morning cup of coffee is the best one of the year I love when the parents stop everything and say look
00:36:52
we're not opening up anything until I get my first cup of coffee right right make them wait at noon John is going to
00:37:01
leave the house this is to go and check on the airplane keep in mind they have a
00:37:07
planned flight for early the next morning M sometime between 2 and 3 p.m. John Ramsay returns to the home from
00:37:17
checking the plane so the family with the exception of John leaving for a bit this is pretty much just a really great
00:37:26
Christmas Day at at home now you had touched upon something just a few minutes ago where you said when you see
00:37:33
the crime scene photos that the house is in disarray that it's just a mess well first off with my standards with two
00:37:42
young children in the home and having a big Christmas I would say a big lavish Christmas because the parents have all
00:37:50
kinds of money and they can buy these children all kinds of stuff one would anticipate to see a mess ESP especially
00:37:57
when they're not hosting anything you know they've already hosted their Christmas get together one would expect
00:38:04
to see a mess however I do want to point out that there were several people close
00:38:09
relatives of the Ramsay that stated that the house was kind of always in a mess even though that the house had a
00:38:17
housekeeper and that they had some help that would come in and take care of some
00:38:22
things for them the house was always in a mess this again in part two young children will do that to a home right
00:38:30
but messy house messy mind I also want to point out that in years past we have video footage of the Ramsay Christmas on
00:38:40
I believe it was 1994 and I maybe some footage on 95 I don't know if that was released to the
00:38:47
public but on 1996 what they claim is I think they woke up and the battery was dead of the camcorder so that's why they
00:38:56
didn't take a video that day between 5 and 6:00 p.m. the ramies left their house this is all four of them John paty
00:39:04
Burke and John Benet and they are in route for the home of their dear friends Fleet and Priscilla white this is for a
00:39:13
Christmas party I've seen this reported to be as early as 400 p.m. but most often it's said to be in the 5:00 hour
00:39:23
now this is your typical Christmas party but at an unknown time the Ramsay leave this party
00:39:32
right on the drive home from the party John Benet and her brother Burke fell asleep in the car and the ramsy made
00:39:40
some stops along the way to drop off gifts this is to Stewart and Roxy Walker's home and then to Glenn and
00:39:48
Susan Stein's house because we don't know exactly what time they left the party and what time
00:39:56
these stops took place we also don't know exactly what time the ramsy arrived back at their house right they claim it
00:40:04
was between 9 and 9:30 we would have several stories about what would take place once the Ramsay
00:40:14
arrive at their home one of these stories says that John put John Benet Ramsay to bed and then he went and
00:40:23
played a game with Burke afterward and eventually Burke goes go to bed mhm the ramsy later reported to the
00:40:31
Boulder Police Department officers that John Benet Ramsay was last seen by paty Ramsey in The Residence at approximately
00:40:39
10 p.m. according to Boulder Police Department detective Linda art John Ramsay said John Benet was last seen by
00:40:48
him at approximately 22 100 hours 10 p.m. either way both of these statements put John Benet as being last seen in her
00:40:59
bed at 10:00 right and a lot of people think how it went down was they get home she's still asleep they don't want to
00:41:08
wake her up and John carries her to her bed that's where he would say good night
00:41:14
and then supposedly this is where paty Ramsey comes in to check on her and and says
00:41:20
good night to her as well John would tell two Boulder police officers separately that he read to both children
00:41:28
before they went to bed now later he would deny both of those statements yeah cuz I I've heard him say several times
00:41:37
that he carried her to bed and she was asleep when he carried her to bed yeah I just don't know here Captain
00:41:43
I could see either of these situations being very likely kids fall asleep in the car you don't want to wake them up
00:41:50
you put them straight to bed it's also Christmas night you know thinking back to my childhood you remember when you
00:41:58
get like something super cool like like a Super Nintendo or really big gift right and then your parents are like
00:42:05
here's your Super Nintendo with a couple of games oh we got to leave and go to somebody's Christmas party and you're
00:42:12
like the last thing I want to do is leave so the kids could yeah they could have still been excited and when they
00:42:21
got home either situation makes makes sense to me what doesn't make sense is that the stories aren't the same or
00:42:29
similar enough yeah and I would say look if you're Burke hey look at the story they both fell asleep on the way home
00:42:37
9-year-old Burke wakes up and guess what he wants to do he wants to play with one
00:42:42
of his cool toys that he got just like you just said John Ramsey is she's six years old and think about the amount of
00:42:51
stuff she has done she she's been a on in competitions she's been per in performances she's had to be run all
00:43:01
over to this family gathering this friends and family gathering I'm assuming that this six-year-old is wiped
00:43:10
out and there is a picture that was just recent in the last couple years released
00:43:15
to the public which is supposedly the last picture of John Benet that was ever taken and she looks tired in the picture
00:43:25
and that was taken at the party before they left to go home so and also like I said early claims from John Ramsay this
00:43:35
is what happened later claims from John Ramsey this is what happened I'm going to go with that story
00:43:42
around 10 to 10:30 p.m. paty goes to bed now according to paty's statement John goes to bed at 10:03 to 10:33 p.m. what
00:43:55
we're basing this off of is that py says quote John came to bed shortly thereafter then asked do you recall if
00:44:05
it was 15 minutes or a half an hour right paty Ramsey says it was probably just a few minutes so we are tacking on
00:44:13
3 minutes either way to that statement 10:03 to 10:33 John and paty both claimed that they were not awakened
00:44:23
during the night they're both in bed yeah but I heard it reported somewhere I want to say maybe it was John Douglas
00:44:29
that John Ramsay claims that he took some kind of sleeping aid that night I believe that to be correct as well as I
00:44:38
think that was a pretty regular thing for John Ramsey either way by both accounts we have both of them in bed
00:44:47
between 10 10:30ish 10:33 at the latest yeah I've not seen any reports like growing up when I was a kid my father
00:44:57
would go through and check the windows and check the doors now we didn't live in a 7,000 ft house but I wonder if John
00:45:06
Ramsay had some kind of routine that he would check the perimeter of the house it has been said that he did that night
00:45:16
and it has been said by people that were close to the family and their housekeeper that the ramies were quote
00:45:23
good I believe the quote is actually really good about locking their doors mhm but it's interesting because they're
00:45:31
not using their alarm system they have alarm system but it seems like that was not a common practice for the
00:45:39
ramies it would have been at one time the problem was or it's been reported as such that having two little kids in the
00:45:47
home the children were constantly setting off the security system which created all these false alarms and
00:45:55
anybody that has a security system knows that those false alarms they start to come with fines that can get
00:46:04
fairly fairly steep right fairly quickly from law enforcement Now we move on to December
00:46:13
26th Captain sometime around midnight neighbor Scott Gibbons says he looked out his kitchen window toward the ramsy
00:46:22
residence and observed that the upper kitchen lights were on and D hmed low again another one of those things it
00:46:30
could mean something it could mean nothing at all M now the whereabouts of John Andrew Ramsay this is John's son
00:46:40
from his first marriage his whereabouts will come into question so it is important for us to
00:46:46
note here that between midnight and 1 a.m. at least 3 people put him at the home of Lucinda Johnson in maretta
00:46:55
Georgia later he is at another home again in Georgia just to be perfectly clear here
00:47:02
Captain these sightings these aliis for John Andrew Ramsay are 100% confirmed right yeah they were actually cleared by
00:47:13
the police which they haven't cleared a lot of people on this case so for them to clear him that that's important and
00:47:20
we have confirmation of people being with John Andrew Ramsey up until 8:36 A.M a.m. mhm at 1:00 a.m. neighbors
00:47:30
Andrew vermier and Luke vermier they went to bed this is after watching movies they say that before they went to
00:47:39
bed all the way up to 1:00 a.m. they did not hear anything unusual they didn't see anything unusual everything was
00:47:45
typical for that time of night M according to Boulder detective Steve Thomas neighbor Melody Stanton says she
00:47:56
heard a scream between midnight and 2 a.m. this seems quite interesting to me but I do want to take this a step
00:48:06
further and point out that this same woman did say at the very early stages of the investigation that she had
00:48:13
nothing to offer she did not want to get involved then later she claims that she
00:48:19
heard a scream between the Midnight Hour and approximately 2: a.m. yeah I heard what I heard about these screams
00:48:28
is that they heard some screams multiple screams not just one but they heard multiple screams and thought okay well
00:48:35
surely the the parents of this girl are home cuz they she thought the screams were from a little girl that the parents
00:48:43
are home and they'll take care of this and that's why they stopped hearing the screams also around 2: a.m. I want to
00:48:50
point out that the whites regarding the activity at their friends Fleet in Priscilla White mhm everyone including
00:48:58
their guest are reported to have gone to bed by 2 a.m. at 5:30 a.m. John Ramsey wakes up the family planed to get up
00:49:08
early that morning because they were to fly to charoy Michigan for a family vacation paty Ramsey got up quote a few
00:49:16
minutes later while Mr Ramsey took a shower Mrs Ramsey put back on the same outfit she had on the night before she
00:49:25
put on some makeup and she went down to the second floor and then went down the spiral stairs to the kitchen now there's
00:49:35
two different versions of this story there is one that states that she went to check on John Benet on her way
00:49:43
downstairs and John Benet was not there right the other story says that she went
00:49:48
she attempted to go straight down to the ground level floor now either way there
00:49:57
on the spiral stairs she found on a step near the bottom of these stairs she discovered a
00:50:04
handwritten note on three sheets of paper laid out side by side that indicated that John Benet had been
00:50:12
kidnapped paty Ramsey told detective art that she found a note at the bottom of the staircase at approximately 545 a.m.
00:50:21
she says she read only a few lines stating that John Benet was kidnapped but safe and unharmed and demanding
00:50:30
$118,000 for her return Mrs Ramsey immediately screamed and then ran to check John benet's room which she found
00:50:38
to be empty after hearing Mrs Ramsay scream John Ramsey ran downstairs and met py Ramsey in the stairwell together
00:50:49
they checked on Burke who appeared to be asleep in his room John Ramsey then went
00:50:56
downstairs to read The Ransom note he told pany to call the police 911 logged the call at 552
00:51:10
a.m. 911 emergency Polie 5 5 15th Street what's going on there man we have a kidnapping
00:51:19
hurry please explain to me what's going on okay there we have a there's a note left in our daughter's g a note was left
00:51:26
and your daughter is gone how old is your daughter 6 years old she's gone 6 years
00:51:32
[Applause] old how long ago was it I don't know I just found the not my god do it same
00:51:40
Cher what does it same know I don't know there there's a ransom note here it's a
00:51:47
ransom note it says sbtc [Applause] Victory please okay what's your name are you I'm the mother oh my God please I'm
00:52:02
okay I'm sending an officer over okay pleas do you know how long she's been gone no I don't please we just got up
00:52:08
and she right here oh my God please okay I am honey take a deep breath for okay Cy Cy Cathy paty
00:52:25
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