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crime [Music] two c County Men missing for nearly a decade and tonight A detective pinpoints
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his former colleague saying he's still a person of interest in this unsolved case
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and that's not all our Amanda Hall talked to one mom who still has no answers about what happened to her only
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son Amanda that's right detective O'Neal with the major crimes unit has been on both of these cases for most of those
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eight years he tells me he's been all the way to Canada chasing leads but that all of the real corroborated evidence
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leads right back here to Coler County Ste wakes me up through the middle of the night mhm and my mind is just racing
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constantly thinking about you know has a sh Department did everything that they were supposed to do it's been 8 years
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since Marcia Williams spoke with her son Terrence 8 years his four children have
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been without a father and though the oldest two are teenagers now they don't speculate about what happened to
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Terrence the truth was told to them in the beginning what is that um that he was
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last seing with the deputy from K County and he disappeared Terrence Williams was
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last seen near a North Naples cemetery on January 12th 2004 by Corporal Steve Caulkins who said he gave Williams a
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ride to a convenience store I hope everyone was paying attention and listening closely during
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this week's trailer because that was a great summary of this week's cases that's right cases because as you heard
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in the trailer we have two missing persons but these two missing persons cases are much different than the case
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we covered last week in fact these two cases are much different than any other missing person's cases covered here
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before for starters last week's case Logan schindelman that case is true truly a mystery because unfortunately
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just like Brandon Swanson and Brandon Lawson Logan's disappearance is a story where the leads are mysterious so much
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so that the leads may not be leads at all or could have nothing to do with his case or why he is still missing this
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week's cases Captain have a potentially big lead and share a commonality that not only linked the two cases but the
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possibility that the reason that these two individuals are still missing as of January
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2021 is that just maybe someone is responsible for the two missing men both of these cases and the men we are
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looking for are Felipe Santos and Terrence Williams both of these cases are classified as missing endangered in
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law enforcement speak endangered is a classification upgrade from Simply missing when it's more more than
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reasonable to infer that the missing individual or in this case individuals are missing because of Foul Play is
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involved I think these cases are going to make people look at other missing person cases a lot differently but here
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we have two missing males and both law enforcement believed to be endangered again the names of those two Felipe
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Santos and Terrence Williams now these two individuals did not vanish together in fact there is zero evidence that the
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two men even knew one another but these cases unless we find some reason to tell
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us otherwise will forever be linked together because first we have Felipe Santos who goes missing and other than
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his close friends and relatives there was not a whole heck of a lot of activity as far as actually looking for
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this guy or any type of investigation is concerned until later when Terence Williams goes missing and then both
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cases become very active now we are not the first obviously to tell this story but because Terren disappearance really
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kicked off the major investigation often the details surrounding his disappearance are told
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first but here captain in this garage we will start at the beginning as to not make things any more confusing than they
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already are Felipe Santos his last known whereabouts were from October 14th 2003
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when he was known to be alive and well in Naples Florida my research found that Felipe has two birth dates listed with
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different agencies assisting in the search for him as of this recording Felipe would be 40 or 42 years of age
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depending on which agency is reporting Felipe is a Hispanic male and at the time of his disappearance October of
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2003 he was in his early 20s there is a listed birthday of January 1st 1979 and some agencies give his date of
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birth as May 26th 1980 and a good description at the time Felipe went missing is as follows
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Felipe's height and weight are listed at 5 foot7 in 150 lb the Charlie project lists Felipe as a Hispanic male with
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black hair and brown eyes Santos wore his hair and a ponytail at the time of his disappearance he is a Mexican
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Citizen and speaks Spanish and very limited English as for clothing Felipe was wearing what is described as a
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t-shirt blue jeans and boots on that day now the details of this disappearance as
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said Felipe Santos was last seen in Naples Florida on October 14th 20 2003 a lot of the reports out there Captain a
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lot of the online reports list him as going missing on October 1st right of 2003 which is just incorrect if you do a
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little digging if you go to the Collier County Sheriff's office website they clearly state that he was last seen on
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the 14th and they have police reports and other records to back up that date right so just so I'm clear you're saying
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that he's a citizen of Mexico he's not a citizen of United States correct he would be an undocumented worker at the
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time of his disappearance he was driving to work with two of his brothers Felipe
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is driving a white 1988 Ford truck at 6:30 a.m. Felipe's vehicle hit another vehicle near the Green Tree shopping
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center at Airport Pulling Road and a mck road this is a busy area in the immediate area we have a lot of
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storefronts fast food restaurants gas stations and behind most of those storefronts and businesses there are
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neighborhoods and condo communities right people in the area would tell you that aokia road is a busy road even at
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6:30 a.m. on a Tuesday so we have this vehicle accident no one is hurt in the accident and the damage to both vehicles
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is rather minor mhm a Coler County Sheriff's deputy Corporal Steven Henry Caulkins arrived at the scene now there
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are three persons in Felipe's vehicle including himself and he is straight with the officer and tells Corporal
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Caulkins he's the one driving and he doesn't have a license or insurance on the vehicle neither of his brothers
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would have a license or insurance on the vehicle as as well right Felipe Santos is the at fault driver in this vehicle
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accident situation the sheriff's deputy Steven Caulkins cites Philipe a Santos for reckless driving and for driving
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without a license or insurance now there will be plenty of witnesses to much of what is happening right as we already
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established this is a busy area this is a well-lit area even though it would be you know rather dark at this time so we
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will have plenty of passer buyers and at the very least we will have Felipe's two
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brothers that were traveling with him that morning and we have the driver of the other vehicle so we have witnesses
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as to what's going on now the driver of the other vehicle says that when officer
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Caulkins arrived on the scene he seemed agitated right from the GetGo yeah some people were mad to have to do their
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their job I love those people yeah the people that Grunt and sigh and yeah make make noises when you ask them to do the
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job that you're paying them for yeah my favorite is when you're in line and somebody goes next next and you just
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know they don't want to be here so what we have here is a very differing in opinions we have Caulkins who says that
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he did not arrest Santos however we have all three Witness is his two brothers and the other driver do we know anything
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about the other driver we do um I know that her name is on record somewhere um and we don't want to give her name but
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I'm just saying I'm assuming that she's a legal citizen that is correct that is correct and and she has been interviewed
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multiple times now what we have here though is we have all three of these witnesses that would later say that they
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all just assumed that Felipe Santos was under arrest by the officer because they
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all witnessed officer Caulkins put Santos in the back of his patrol car and then the patrol car drives off and did
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they say that he was handcuffed um no I don't believe that that is in the reports right but we
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could assume he may have been um there's also a chance with this being these are
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rather minor infractions I mean him being here undocumented could lead to him being
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deported but these are not violent offenses I don't see much of a reason to slap some cuffs on this guy if
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especially if it seems like he's cooperating you know he is at least honest and forthcoming with hey I don't
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have a license and I don't have insurance on this vehicle but you can't let him drive away if you're the officer
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you know he doesn't have a license you can't let him drive away so basically what what you're telling me is this
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officer arrests him puts him in the back of the car leaves who drives the vehicle
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away or did they have it towed from my understanding the vehicle was not towed and the officer did not request a tow
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because he said that it was not in the way of traffic right but you can't let one of the brothers just drive the car
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because you know they have no license oh but see what you are stating here Captain are all things that make a whole
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lot of sense well I like to show up and do my job well what we're going to see here is a lot of officers Officer Caan's
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actions and what he will say he's doing it doesn't really add up it doesn't track if you if you try to reason with
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it and make sense of his actions because what he says is look Santos I changed my
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mind he was nice he was polite and so I decided not to arrest him not to drive him to the jail instead I drove him to a
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Circle K gas station because I didn't want him driving the truck off but right again as you already pointed out that
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makes zero sense because you are fully aware at this time as the officer that the other two individuals in the truck
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they did not possess a a legal driver's license either and you just left them there and what do you do if you're them
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you're left you don't know what to do with the car are you going to call somebody to
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have them come pick you up no you probably have to get to a job site or you're going to lose your job so one of
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them probably jumped in the driver's seat and drove both of them to work so these are let's let's track this and and
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how it's going to really become known that something fishy is going on yeah but hold on second when have you ever
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heard of a police officer any law enforcement driving somebody to jail and just decide you know what changed my
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mind changed my mind I'll just drop you off at this gas station you know what though I play it out in my mind a
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thousand times because you and I are nice guys I can Envision if if we were the officer you know you're chatting up
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the guy chatting up the per a little bit and at some point you look back and you
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go you know what son I like the cut of your jib you need a break this guy needs a break I'm going to let you out yeah
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but you don't let him out you take him to the police station and you say call somebody from here I'm not going to
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arrest you I'm not going to book you but once you take um ownership I guess of that individual it's your job to make
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sure that they are safe right he's he's officially regardless of how Caulkins wants to spin it later mhm if this
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dude's in the back of your car he's in your custody right and you are then a steward of him you are responsible for
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him right so what's safer having him get a ride from the police department or dropping him off at the Circle K well
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let's let's go through this because there's some details that we we need to get to so how this all comes about or at
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least how everyone becomes aware of this rather quickly of potentially this young
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man having Gone Missing is that later that same day Santos's boss contacted the local jail because he
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wanted to bail him out hey I need my worker back right right so this is a nice boss going to bail out this young
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man so he can get back to work the next day well he doesn't speak a lot of English but he might be like the contact
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person you know I mean like where where he's able to communicate with the other workers for his boss so the boss man
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finds out that Felipe Santos was never booked at the jail okay and we've kind of circled around this a little bit but
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let's go through it in in detail this is because officer ckins never took Santos
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to jail when questioned well this is what he's claiming Officer cins says he changed his mind about taking Santos to
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jail saying he found Santos to be a polite and nice young man so instead cins drove Santos to a Circle K
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convenience store SL gas station this would be about one mile away from the site of the accident caulin says one he
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didn't have Santos's vehicle towed away from the scene because it was not obstructing traffic caulin says he took
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Santos somewhere that Santos could call someone and he could get a ride from a licensed driver there he didn't want to
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leave Santos with the vehicle fearing that Santos would get back in the truck and drive off so officer cins Accord
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according to his statements took Felipe Santos to the Circle K and drops him off
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there caulin says he last Saw Santos walking toward the payones at the Circle K again he's your responsibility you
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don't just leave him walking towards the pay phone and this is a mile from the wreckage it's roughly he says roughly a
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mile it's actually fairly close if you look at it on a map it's it's pretty close I mean I don't want to can I start
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poking holes in this dumb story or do you have more to go no go ahead well first of all if you're concerned that
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he's going to get back in his truck you might want to drop him off somewhere farther than a mile it'll take him less
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than 15 minutes to walk back and jump in his truck and go correct right and you don't even sit there and wait for him to
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call somebody or to wait to make sure that he gets a ride it it just doesn't make any sense and on top of that okay I
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understand not Towing the vehicle it's not in the way it's not damaged somebody could drive it off but you left two
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other illegal immigrants with no driver's license by the truck so who do you think is going to drive the
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truck um this it just doesn't make a lot of sense no it makes it makes zero sense
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at all what would make the most sense is he decided to arrest the guy and take him to jail and Santos should have
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arrived at the jail at some point that's what would make the most sense yeah again even if you changed your mind on
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arresting him and you wanted to give him a break you didn't even make it a a mile
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away with the guy he must have been really nice and polite in a very short period of time yeah to convince you to
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let him go especially a guy that we know doesn't speak English that well no he so
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Felipe Santos has never been heard from again since this incident right here after his disappearance his brother
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filed a complaint against Caulkins with the sheriff's office but Caulkins was cleared of any wrongdoing I do want to
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point out captain that this was over the course of a couple of months he wasn't cleared I believe until early January of
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2004 of any wrongdoing there's a lot of reasons why Caulkins should be cleared and I can see why he would be cleared in
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any wrongdoing in this particular case now we're going to get into some things that are not very nice and don't put
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officer Caulkins in a very nice light here and I don't think he's going to have any friends any garage Friends by
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the time we're done with these two episodes M but but we don't have any garage friends we need to look at this
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one we're going to stay water here and we also need to look at the actions of the colier county Sheriff's Office well
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okay my other question is this is a busy road so we should have eyewitnesses at the gas station at the Circle K possibly
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some video footage from businesses in that area that would be able to back up his story yeah this is a busy road this
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is a busy area that Circle K would be busy I'm I'm very familiar with this area this is an area that I travel to
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annually and these roads are always busy especially in the morning hours and in the morning hours you see a lot of
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workers keep in mind this is Florida it gets very hot there and so what we have going on is a lot of these uh people
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that might be laborers or have very physical jobs they want to get an early start you want to start early before it
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gets way too hot These Guys these brothers were in uh concrete and masonary work
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that's tough work that's tough work especially when it gets to be 80 90 de out and what you will see in this area
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typically uh you will see a lot of construction guys a lot of landscapers and such that that are up and you see
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the trucks moving on these busy roads early in the morning 6: 7 a.m. getting ready to get that early jump get the get
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a good work in on that day now I was kind of circling around the sheriff's office one thing that we have to keep in
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mind here is they did clear Caulkins of any wrongdoing in Santos's case this is initially they're
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going to go back on this later but initially they clear him of any wrongdoing and I think you you can see
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why As I Lay this out here for you Captain as we said earlier Felipe Santos is a Mexican national at the time of his
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disappearance he's living in Florida illegally it looks like he had been living there for about 3 years at the
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time of his disappearance we said he was on his way into work before the traffic
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accident he was employed with a concrete company he was sending money back to his
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family in Mexico I've seen different reports here some reports state that he was married some state that he had a
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girlfriend some state that um he had both some state that the girlfriend lived here or his girlfriend or wife
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still lived in Mexico regardless of whom was living where what we can say for certain is all reports
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indicate that he had some family here in Florida and some family still in Mexico
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and he was sending money back to the family in Mexico from time to time now the reason why you're going to clear
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Caulkins of any wrongdoing is a warrant goes out for the arrest of Felipe Santos
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mhm okay because this is the next month in November of 2003 a warrant was issued
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for Santos after he failed to appear in court for a hearing regarding the traffic accident of the day that he
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vanished MH now at that time in late 2003 investigators believed that Santos probably returned to Mexico or was in
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hiding to avoid the charges he was facing or avoid being deported right so reasonable explanation as to believe why
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we cannot find this dude now that's all going to become a big problem for officer
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you Colonel cheers there Captain this brings us to our second case this is the missing person's case of Terrence
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Williams and the details of this case are as follows on Sunday January 11th before he
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went to bed Jason Gonzalez this is Terrence Williams roommate says that he spoke to Terrence on the phone on that
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evening a little background on Terence Williams he grew up in Tennessee before moving to Naples Florida to be closer to
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his mother he has a roommate this is Jason Gonzalez and at the time Terrence Williams is working two jobs during the
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day he works as a construction worker and in the evening he works at a local Pizza Hut restaurant he's working two
00:31:08
jobs because he has four children and he has to pay a lot of Child Support he's working out a little Caesar Pizza Hut
00:31:17
right right now on this night on this Sunday night Terrence Williams is invited to go to an afterwork party with
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a bunch of the Pizza Hut employees and co-workers he does not have an active or V valid driver's license at this time
00:31:36
what's with all these people that don't have Driver's License Driving Around well if you're an
00:31:42
undocumented uh worker somebody that's not supposed to be here legally harder to get a license you can't just walk in
00:31:49
and get a driver's license now Terrence he is a different situation his license has been revoked from a DUI
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by okay so he recently purchased a white Cadillac now this is one of those big old school white Cadillacs I believe it
00:32:08
was in 1983 primier right it was a primier for the Cadillac well he purchased the
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vehicle because at some point and fairly soon he's going to get his license back
00:32:21
okay right so he will be legally driving but not on this day and that's why he's
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call on his roommate he's saying hey I was invited to go to this after workor party why don't you go with me you can
00:32:32
be the driver right you know you you take your vehicle I'll ride shotgun we'll go have a good time at this party
00:32:39
the roommate says I don't want to go right so against better judgment Terrence decides he's just going to drive his
00:32:49
vehicle and go to this party well we can all agree this is a bad decision but it's also there's some evidence of him
00:32:56
making making bad decisions he obviously got a DUI he obviously was drunk at some
00:33:01
point and decided to drive his car Williams is not like a what I would call a bad guy but he's no he's no saint
00:33:08
either he's he's done some he's had some infractions yeah good people make bad decisions from time to time on this day
00:33:15
he decides to drive now as far as all Witnesses are concerned Terrence left this party sometime around 6:00 a.m. the
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following day so this would now be Monday January 12th at the time he is 27 years old and he's coming up on his 28th
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birthday relatively soon at some point he is pulled over or he's involved with this officer
00:33:45
Caulkins again and it's a little it's a little confusing as to why because what we're going to have is Caan's statement
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of why the two were interacting with each other officer cin says that at some point on the 12th he Witnesses a
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Cadillac who is it appears that they're having some kind of mechanical trouble with the vehicle he says he ask the
00:34:10
driver if everything's okay the driver tells him that he's having trouble with the engine and that's when they start
00:34:18
interacting with one another right what goes on from here is somewhat similar to
00:34:24
what we saw in the Santos case where where Williams is eventually put into Caan's
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vehicle and then they drive off there's some problems with this whole story and we're going to kind of back into it here
00:34:41
Captain so what happens is we have Terrence Williams's family they call police and they filed a missing person's
00:34:49
report this is because at some point on the 13th the roommate Jason Gonzalez he reaches out to Williams's mother and
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says hey my roommate your son went to this party the other night I've not seen him since I spoke with some of the
00:35:05
people that he worked with they say he left at 6:00 a.m. on the 12th now it's the 13th this dude's not showed up for
00:35:13
work he's not come home do you know where he is mom doesn't know where he is now we're getting concerned relatives
00:35:22
the aunt get involved everybody's kind of calling around Captain checking local jail
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hospitals what they end up doing is they end up tracking down his white Cadillac
00:35:35
they find that the vehicle was towed oh the way that they're going to trace this
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thing back is the person that signed off on the toe is in officer Caulkins well looky looky lookie so now they want to
00:35:48
know why the vehicle was towed and where their family member is so they're calling the sheriff's the colier county
00:35:56
Sheriff's Office and asking did Caulkins drive off with this guy our son our our
00:36:04
family member they have reason to believe so because by this point they already know that the vehicle was towed
00:36:11
from a cemetery right the family reaches out to that Cemetery cuz of course you're going to want to know why is my
00:36:17
relative in the cemetery why why was the vehicle towed from there they speak with
00:36:22
a couple of the the employees of the cemetery who tell them we witnessed a Coler County sheriff's car drive off
00:36:31
with Terrence in the back right now I'm going to jump ahead here just a second captain because I want to go through an
00:36:38
incident report that was filed by Officer cins this was just a few days after he picks up Williams and again
00:36:48
that's in dispute okay and we will see that in this incident report Caan's report states that he first came in
00:36:55
contact with Terence Williams at 12:15 p.m. after noticing that the vehicle and I did some double checking in my notes
00:37:04
it was a 1984 white Cadillac was driving quote in distress the officer claimed that he
00:37:12
followed Terren to a cemetery parking lot and then Terren asked him for a ride to a nearby Circle K convenience store
00:37:22
because he was running late for work okay a little clar ification here this is not the same Circle K that we've
00:37:31
previously discussed in the Santos case right however this is still Coler County
00:37:37
and these are not you know the distance between this traffic stop and the previous one not terribly far away from
00:37:46
one another what goes down here is to fill in some of the blanks that are missing from this report here is that
00:37:55
caulin states that Terence Williams only gives him his first name tells him that
00:38:00
he's having trouble with the vehicle and that he's running late for work he works
00:38:06
according to Caulkins Terrence tells him that he works at that Circle K originally caulin says look I can call a
00:38:14
taxi cab for you I'm not giving you a ride I can call a cab for you he says Williams tells him I can't afford to pay
00:38:22
for a cab so at some point Caulkins agrees to take him to this Circle K and he points out to him hey you know your
00:38:31
tags are expired you've not provided me with any information and caulin says that Terrence Williams told him all of
00:38:39
the information that the officer was looking for is in the glove box of his vehicle and after he drops him off at
00:38:46
the Circle K I imagine if we're going to believe this story the way this is going
00:38:51
down is Williams tells him this in route to the Circle K right and says you can go back and you can find all that
00:38:57
information inside the vehicle after you drop me off yeah but let's think about this for a second on is it believable it
00:39:06
makes some sense I have a DUI I don't have a license I'm not legally allowed to drive this vehicle so if I'm stopped
00:39:19
on the side of the road and here comes a police officer as long as I don't give him my full name he can't look me up
00:39:28
right and if I'm not in the vehicle at the time that the officer approaches me he can't prove that I was driving right
00:39:38
right so all that kind of makes sense and then you go well everybody then says well well look he didn't work at the
00:39:46
Circle K well again that's another I'm not going to give you my full name and by the way I work down the street at the
00:39:54
Circle K could you you give me a ride what's at the Circle K a pay phone or possibly the work phone this the story
00:40:04
kind of Mak sense in this in the way of somebody not trying to get in trouble for illegally driving yeah and that's
00:40:11
what will will go through and I think that you know a lot of people view this and they go well this is completely made
00:40:18
up this is all a bunch of BS and I I don't think so I think that there are details in this story that some of them
00:40:27
are probably true and just by making some inferences like you just did you can see why some of these things might
00:40:35
be true here so continuing on in the incident report filed by Officer Caulkins he says that Williams told him
00:40:43
that the paperwork for the vehicle was in the vehicle's glove compartment and the officer claims that he then returned
00:40:49
after dropping Terrence Williams off at the Circle K that he returned to the Cadillac to to discover that the proper
00:40:57
registration the information that he was looking for was not it was not in fact in the vehicle and so now he's sitting
00:41:06
there going okay well this guy lied to me and I fell for it right I was being a nice guy I gave him a a lift I fell for
00:41:14
it so he says at this time that the officer says that he called the Circle K from his work issued cell phone he's got
00:41:23
like a nexttel that they carry back then you this is January 2004 top of the line
00:41:30
you know one thing that I always wonder about let's get sidetracked here for a second right those next Tails remember
00:41:37
had they had that walkie-talkie feature yeah where you could just hit the button
00:41:41
you had like people you could scroll through you just hit the button and instantly you're communicated with them
00:41:46
like they don't even have to pick up it just talks right I thought that was the coolest thing somehow we've gone away
00:41:52
from that is maybe it's an invasion of privacy so where I think there are some truths here okay is one thing that I
00:42:01
find interesting is this Circle K that Caulkins claims that Williams asked him to drive him to there is evidence that
00:42:11
Williams was a regular at this Circle K that he would frequently get gas there that he would okay cuz I'm trying to
00:42:19
figure out what what is a regular at a gas station oh somebody that gets gas there somebody Maybe by smokes or by
00:42:26
dude anybody that's worked at a gas station will tell you there there are some people you see every single day
00:42:32
really yeah you have certain people that will drop in for coffee on their way to
00:42:36
work every single day that they work some people that pick up cigarettes on their way home or pick up beer on their
00:42:41
way home there are people that you will see several times a week and I imagine you know Terren was a smoker and the
00:42:48
comments I found was that he purchased gas there regularly he purchased cigarettes there regularly so that makes
00:42:55
some sense I always thought gas station would be an interesting job like you'd see a lot of interesting people and a
00:43:03
lot of interesting situations go down I worked at gas stations I enjoyed working
00:43:08
there one thing that I enjoyed was I enjoyed seeing the people regularly you know the regulars right you have a very
00:43:13
brief interaction with them and it's usually very pleasant and uh so anyway the thing here though that's that's
00:43:20
interesting is caulin says he calls the Circle K cuz he's like all right this dude tricked me he asked for Terence
00:43:29
Williams caulin says that a female employee a lady employee picks up the phone I think this is important and
00:43:37
we'll get into this in a little bit but he says that he asked for Terence Williams the lady working who answered
00:43:44
the phone tells him I don't know who you're talking about I don't there's nobody here nobody works here with the
00:43:50
name Terrence Williams so now he's like oh this guy really pulled one over on on
00:43:56
me according to the report officer ckins then called in the license plate number
00:44:02
and found that the plates were expired weird that he didn't run those plates before he gave him a lift well there's a
00:44:09
lot of weirdness with this story so lot of weirdness with you right he's now back he being the officer back at the
00:44:18
cemetery with the vehicle and that's when he calls it in to have the vehicle towed saying that he believes that the
00:44:26
vehicle was either abandoned or potentially stolen because it's not registered to Terence Williams right the
00:44:36
last person that was registered to the registration makes makes little sense or no sense I should say to me so I'm sure
00:44:44
that giving him the benefit of the doubt here Caulkins probably thought there's a
00:44:49
chance that this vehicle could be stolen we go through that incident report because what what we're going to have
00:44:57
Captain is we're going to have witnesses who tell us something very different okay and those witnesses will be the
00:45:06
workers at the cemetery now mind you this is at noon it's all going down around noon and 1:00 in the afternoon
00:45:17
and I I have a question in here that that may not have anything to do with the case but I found myself wondering we
00:45:25
have a witness saying that that he left the party at 6:00 a.m. and then we don't
00:45:31
have anything with Terrence Williams until this vehicle situation around noon so we got a missing window of 6 hours
00:45:39
that could potentially be important to this case what we do have here though is if we are to believe any or some of
00:45:49
Caan's story is that he decides to give Terrence Williams a ride he returns to the vehicle and then he has it towed
00:45:57
there's a couple problems in here and the cemetery workers will say a couple things one just like in the previous
00:46:05
situation they believe that Terrence Williams was being placed under arrest they witnessed him being Pat patted down
00:46:12
and then placed into the back of the sheriff's vehicle right but sometimes when a officer gives a person a ride
00:46:20
they still Pat them down and make sure they have no weapons on them that's correct the other issue is that they say
00:46:27
that when officer Caulkins came back to the scene that he now had access to the keys to the vehicle to the Cadillac and
00:46:38
this is because they say that he moved the vehicle got out of the vehicle and then threw the keys in the
00:46:45
grass they believe that he moved the vehicle so that he could say that the vehicle was obstructing traffic and
00:46:53
therefore it needed to be towed later when questioned Caulkins is going to say that he found the keys inside the
00:47:01
vehicle when he returned to the vehicle to find the paperwork and the information that he was looking for that
00:47:08
Williams told him he would find there well the problem is we have eyewitnesses from a distance there's no way they
00:47:14
would know when he had the keys or how he came about the keys all we know is he had them in his possession at some point
00:47:21
in the time frame where he has these keys Terence Williams is no longer around he's no longer with the vehicle
00:47:30
right Caulkins does not say he never says that he moved the vehicle in fact he denies that however we have Cemetery
00:47:36
employee Witnesses saying he in fact did move the vehicle and then threw the keys
00:47:42
away as so that they would not be found very odd thing for them to lie about well and to give right and I I I'll give
00:47:50
them credibility one in the situation that they have no dog in the fight here they have no reason to make things up
00:47:58
right and then take that a step further one of the employees is retired law enforcement look if if he was going
00:48:05
to air on the side of protecting his fellow officer well we're just getting the truth is what I what I really
00:48:15
believe from these Witnesses right the Circle K convenience store where Caulkins says that he dropped Terrence
00:48:23
Williams off at that day it's it's located in the vicinity of Wiggins Pass Road in
00:48:30
us41 now both of these Circle Caves are still they're still standing in an operation today they are different
00:48:39
locations but I'm giving you the area of this one so that we can determine one thing because we have witnesses that are
00:48:48
by the Cadillac that say that they are seeing officer cins return to the vehicle anywhere from 15 minutes to 1
00:48:58
hour later and this matches up with him calling in the toe as well because he's calling in the toe remember he says he
00:49:06
first encountered Terence Williams at 12:15 and then he's calling in the toe at 12:57 p.m. these are per police
00:49:16
records dispatch records and such so that all lines up with what these eyewitnesses are saying and this Circle
00:49:24
K is rough about a 7-minute drive from the location of the Cadillac at this Naples Memorial Cemetary but again
00:49:34
there's no video footage of caulin on the property that's what's really really difficult in this situation okay so hard
00:49:44
to miss a police car well yes and no and that's why I say it's difficult most Reports most online
00:49:53
reports that you will find will state very clearly that there is no eyewitness having seen Caulkins his
00:50:02
vehicle at the Circle K that day or having seen Terrence Williams at the Circle K that day we do know because
00:50:12
mind you Williams's family they're actively looking for him within days of him having gone missing so they're
00:50:20
filing a missing person's report and they're piecing things together they're the ones that are coming up with the
00:50:26
breadcrumb trail to try to lead to their missing loved one and what they uncover
00:50:31
is this interaction with officer ckins so we have Coler County Sheriff's Office they're going to go to the Circle K
00:50:39
they're going to review surveillance footage that's available to them and to which they never find any indication at
00:50:47
all you know they don't spot teren Williams they don't spot the officer Caulkins either now we should point out
00:50:55
again this is a very busy area middle of the day there's a chance I believe there's a chance that either of them or
00:51:02
both of them could have been there maybe they just weren't picked up on camera for whatever reason the reason why I say
00:51:08
that is because there is one person there is one employee who has said that they saw both
00:51:15
Terrence Williams and officer Caulkins that day at the Circle K right this employee she says and I find this be
00:51:25
interesting because remember from the incident report Officer caulin says that he called the Circle K and spoke with a
00:51:34
female employee and we have a female eyewitness right this could just be something that's coincidence what have
00:51:41
you however it lines up at the end of the day it still lines up even quinky quinky dinky this witness says that she
00:51:49
had worked there for a long period of time and she recognized Terrence Williams as a regular she didn't know
00:51:55
him by name but recognized him by face as he came in there often for gas and for
00:52:01
cigarettes she says that she saw Terence Williams fill up a gas can outside you know you you you walk up and you you
00:52:11
fill up your can and then you make you know you make your way out of the place she says that she believed that he was
00:52:17
walking off in the direction of wigan's Pass Road she also said that she spoke with officer Caulkins because he came in
00:52:29
to the gas station used the restroom and then asked a question or two about Terrence Williams before leaving well
00:52:36
and she remembered how bad it smelled I don't this is what's difficult Captain because you would think if he went
00:52:44
inside and used the restroom and spoke to her inside that he would definitely appear on the surveillance footage now
00:52:51
right I don't know where they're filming and where they're not filming at this location so
00:52:57
it's difficult to tell we do not have a an extremely detailed report from the Sheriff's Office well and I think the
00:53:05
other problem too with these reports is is it possible that he was seen on on film but they didn't collect that
00:53:13
evidence because they didn't know that they needed to from what I've been told in this situation and um I believe in
00:53:21
the Santos situation as well is that officers reviewed hours of surveillance footage from both of these Circle Cas
00:53:30
the one thing that we know to be true okay there are some question marks in the things we just discussed but one
00:53:37
thing we know to be true that is an absolute lie as far as his incident report goes the Nexel cell phone that Officer
00:53:48
caulin says that he used to call the Circle K to verify if Terrence Williams worked there or was still there we know
00:53:57
that that is a lie because that cell phone is owned by the sheriff's department they're trying to back up his
00:54:07
story they look it up there's no call in their records from that cell phone to the Circle K and in his incident report
00:54:15
he's very specific about this he says I used my Nexel Sheriff's Office phone to call the
00:54:24
circle K and I had the Circle K's number because I keep a phone book in the patrol car with me mhm that's very
00:54:33
specific detailed information to which the Sheriff's Office can 100% say that's false we can
00:54:41
tell by the records you did not use that phone to call the Circle K so now we are
00:54:47
left with a big question lots of questions and at the top of that list is what in fact really did happen that day
00:54:55
and where the hell are these two missing men and not only are they missing but they're endangered missing Terrence
00:55:02
Williams is described as African-American 5 8 in tall 160 to 170 lb with brown eyes and brown hair he has
00:55:13
several tattoos a t the letter T above his left chest ET on his right shoulder and Terren in red with blue high
00:55:25
highlights on his left forearm he also has a gold crown with the letter t on the upper right tooth and the other
00:55:34
upper front tooth is solid gold so some very distinctive marks and identifiers on Terren he also has a vertical scar on
00:55:45
his right shoulder and a dark birth mark on the right side of his abdomen he was
00:55:51
last seen wearing a short sleeve shirt blue jeans and brown Timberland boots he was also wearing diamond earrings and a
00:55:59
watch with a silver band The Face of the watch was surrounded by white stones if
00:56:05
anybody has any information in either case please contact Crim Stoppers at 1 80078
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