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get ready for our second most requested case of all time. So everybody, gather around, grab a chair, grab a beer. Let's
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talk some true crime. >> [music] [music] [music] >> For weeks, questions have circled about
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Alisa Lamb after the Vancouver woman went missing in Los Angeles last month. Yesterday, police found her body in a
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hotel water tank. That's just [music] raised even more questions. It stretches believability that a young
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Canadian tourist could accidentally end up dead inside a water tank [music] at the top of an LA hotel. And yet, very
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little makes sense about the strange disappearance and death of Alisa Lamb. >> I just feel so bad for her parents. The
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investigators have to be flumxed like this because if it is foul play, you know, why did she act so odd?
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>> The last footage of her in the hotel elevator is perplexing. [music] Why did she press all the buttons? Was
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she talking to someone? Was she trying to hide? [music] Coroner Ed Winter says perhaps the
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autopsy will provide some clues. >> We are conducting an investigation into the death of Miss Lamb. The autopsy is
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scheduled for tomorrow. Either she met with foul play or somehow the 21-year-old would have had to have
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gotten through locked doors onto the roof, avoided tripping an alarm, and then climbed up inside the water tank.
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[music] The hotel itself has not made a statement, but it did send guests this letter telling them to check out
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immediately, which this British tourist did, but not before she drank the hotel water for 8 days.
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>> And the water for first two seconds or 3 seconds would was coming black. And then
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after a while, we would drink it. But it had strange funny sweet taste. It's disgusting.
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>> Utterly horrible. Surely that will add to the notoriety of the Cecil Hotel. It
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was already on tour operator Kim Cooper's [music] crime tour of LA. Thanks mostly to the infamous
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Nightstalker serial killer Richard Ramirez who killed 14 people. >> And during his spree when he was doing a
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lot of home invasions for satanic purposes, he was actually staying as a resident of the Cecil up on the 14th
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floor. More relevant to Lamb's case is why was she staying in a hotel in such a dodgy part of LA? Here in Vancouver, it
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was difficult to find anyone who knew her well. No one could explain why she went on a California holiday by herself
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or what her state [music] of mind was when she left. Tonight we are covering the
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disappearance and mysterious death of a young woman named Alisa Lamb. This was a
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this still is a very popular case. I know that sometimes we cover very popular cases and we have also got a bit
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of a reputation for covering the lesserk known cases. >> I just wanted to take a quick minute
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here and kind of pull everybody into the garage and do a little behind the scenes
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moment regarding case selection. Uh this is not a task that we take too lightly.
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Uh case selection is something we are both very much involved in. The true crime garage army are very much involved
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in this as well even if they don't know that they are. Uh so case suggestions here listener requests are the number
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one factor in our determination of case selection. So we we get on average about
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three or four case suggestions a day. Believe it or not, we do collect that information and compile it. We have a
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master list that would make your head spin uh if I were to show it to you. Uh I mentioned this just because we have
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had a time or two where I'm sure someone thinks that their requests have fallen on deaf ears, but that is simply not
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true. Just because we haven't covered your case does not mean that we never will. But by getting three or four daily
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requests, we would have to do three or four shows a day. And I don't think that there's enough beer on the planet to
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fuel that kind of crime garage. So when we get a case with multiple suggestions,
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we fully take that into account. This being a a major reason why we chose this case for tonight's show. Alisa Lamb is
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one of our most requested shows by far. It I mean it's up there with Jean Benet Ramsay, Brandon Lawson, and a couple of
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others that I won't mention because we will be covering them very soon. Another big factor is does a particular case
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have enough information that we can discuss it for a full show. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes this is especially true with a
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lot of the smaller hometown type cases where the invest in investigation quickly went nowhere. You know, there's
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no suspects or few leads. There's just not a whole lot of stuff to talk about. And while we're on the subject, I want
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to throw this out there as well as far as suggesting a case to us. Many many of the cases suggested are great ideas.
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However, this is rare, but it does happen on occasion. You know, maybe more like once a week, we get some kind of
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suggestion that sounds something like this. And this is totally made up, but it's a good example. You know, the
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suggestion will read, "I live in Taylor Town, and back in the '9s, there was this guy that went missing, and it was
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totally weird, and I think you'd love to do a show on it." Well, that that's not
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really something that we can there's no information in in that suggestion. We can't really do much of that.
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>> Well, they gave you a city, man, and they gave you a rough time. >> They gave me a decade to choose from.
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>> Yeah. So, >> do some do some research, man. >> So, if you send in a suggestion, make
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sure you include, you know, a person that's involved in the case, their name. Yeah. A link would be great.
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>> City, state, those things are all very helpful. >> All right. So, like with everything with
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this show, you know, if you donated to the beer fund, we appreciate it. We're a little behind on that. If you mention a
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trying and and we both have drinking problems, so that doesn't help the business at all. Well, and as we said,
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this case has been on our list for quite some time. It is it is one of our most requested cases uh since we've been
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doing the show. Uh and this is about Alisa Lamb. So, January 26th, 2013, 21-year-old Alisa Lamb, she's recognized
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as a University of British Columbia student. Uh she was going on an international trip. She was calling this
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her West Coast tour. She would be traveling to California by herself. Uh her means of travel, she was using
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public transportation. She had traveled by way of Amtrak and she was also taking
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buses as well. Uh she intended to travel to several California cities before her
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trip concluded. She arrives in Los Angeles, California on the 26th. She then checks into the Cecil Hotel which
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is in downtown Los Angeles. This is on January 28th. She is set to check out February 1st. During her travels, a
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regular habit that she was doing was she was calling or emailing, reaching out to
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her parents daily to kind of check in and let them know that she's doing fine and she's enjoying her trip.
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>> Mhm. >> Well, the Cecil Hotel where Lisa was staying has a has a long history as
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being a place of terrible happenings. >> Uh a little bit of a checkered past. >> Yeah. Yeah. very checkered. Uh it
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certainly has a history of suicides and murder. [clears throat] >> Um in 1931, the hotel experienced its
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first suicide. Um after that, the hotel would see at least eight or nine more suicides that I could find reportings of
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>> and a couple of strange deaths as well occurred in its history. Uh there was certainly a murder or two uh before
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Alisa's stay at the Cecil Hotel. And this checkered past really adds to the folklore of the Lisa Lamb case.
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>> And I don't want to go through all the the suicides, you know, the bleakness of
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that. Uh there a couple of the strange deaths or or possible murders that took place there. Uh there there's a story of
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a of a woman who who gave birth at the hotel. Uh she gives birth in in one of the in the bathroom
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>> and she threw the newborn baby out the window. >> Yeah. Okay. Look, before you say stuff
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like this, maybe you could give us a little bit of a warning. >> It's right on there. When you click on
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true crime garage, it warns you that you might hear something terrible >> that at some point you might talk about
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a baby being thrown from a window. >> Well, she claimed that the baby was was born uh dead and then they did an
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investigation and they quickly determined that they didn't think that that was the same thing. But before she
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could be convicted of of that murder, she was ruled to be not competent to stand trial.
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>> And there was the one suicide where the lady jumped out of the window and she
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actually landed on somebody walking by and killed him as well. >> Uh so we a bunch of suicides, but what I
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thought was interesting was that there was uh two serial killers that actually stayed at the Hotel Cecil.
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>> Yes. Yeah. We have Richard Ramirez, the the famous nightstalker from 1985. >> Uh he murdered 14 people. He did live
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there during a portion of of uh his career, let's say, as a serial killer. >> But some of this folklore is kind of
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blown out of proportion, don't you think? >> It's romanticized a little bit. Uh because we have the situation uh where
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Elizabeth Short, you know, the Black Dalia, which we've discussed on our show, you know, there's rumor that that
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was the last place she stayed at before she was killed when actually we can't find any actual record of her having
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stayed there at all, let alone it being the last place she was seen or stayed before her death. So, it does get a
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little romanticized with Richard Ramirez. Kind of a similar situation. He did live there on and off for a period
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of time, but he also lived in like three or four other hotels, sometimes sleeping
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in his car. He was he he was a guy that moved around quite a bit. >> And he would typically stay at a place
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just for a night or so. Um, depending on how much money he had stolen or or stolen objects that he had fenced that
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day, whatever he received as far as cash went. >> Right. Right. And I think a lot of
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people would go, "Well, how can somebody afford to stay at a hotel?" Mhm. >> Well, this hotel was broke up in like
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sections. So, like the lower floors were pretty much like a normal hotel, >> you know, a little more pricey. And then
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the top floors, they kind of used those as like pay by the day >> type rooms. And they also had uh rooms
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that they used for like youth host >> where you could just kind of stay in a collective group, you know, a bunch of
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strangers, but your room would be a lot cheaper. And to give you an idea, back in the mid 80s when Ramirez would stay
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there, I believe he was typically only paying about 14 or $15 a night to stay there, which is I mean relatively cheap.
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>> Just because the rooms are cheap doesn't mean that there's going to be all these
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tragic things that happen. But I think it's because the Hotel Cecil was around for so long and it also had 600 rooms.
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>> Yeah. And it it's a very old hotel. It was it was built in 1924. it opened up shortly after that. So,
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it's been around for a long time and it's in Los Angeles. You know, a popular place to travel to. Um, so you got a
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high probability of seeing crazy things happen in this area. That's for sure. Um, and of course, you know, like in the
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1950s, that area, that street in particular became pretty rundown and it became known for drug users and transate
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lifestyle. Uh, people that were kind of in and out. It was basically a seedy part of town.
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>> It's technically in downtown Los Angeles. But Los Angeles is a widespread town. So, as a tourist, if you go there,
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there's there's just so many different parts, you know? So, if your buddy says, "Well, I live downtown." Then it's like,
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"Yeah, but which part of downtown?" And she could have been staying there for the for the cheap rent, or it could have
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just been for the the convenience of being in downtown Los Angeles. When she first started off staying there, she was
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sharing a room. As you had mentioned, you can share some rooms, >> right? Like a youth hostel.
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>> Yeah. And she shared a room with a couple of other people. I don't know that I could ever do that or feel
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comfortable doing that. Um, but that's what she did. And after a couple days, through complaints by these other
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people, she's eventually moved to her own room. >> Do you have any idea what these
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complaints were? I would love to know specifically what they were, but we're hearing these third hand. You know,
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you're hearing these from from the hotel workers that this was reported to. And so basically what is explained to them
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is that she was behaving strangely or they they found her to be weird or acting odd and these people didn't want
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to share a room with her anymore. So, not not a great detailed description of how she was behaving or things she was
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doing or saying, just that they didn't feel comfortable sharing a room with her.
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>> And you mentioned earlier that she's recognized as a student. >> Yes, she's recognized as a University of
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British Columbia student. However, technically at this point in time in 2013, she was not taking any classes.
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She was basically kind of on a break from school. Um she had mentioned to people that uh she had to drop classes
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because of her disorders uh that she was relapsing and that this caused her not to be able to go to school.
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>> This is actually a really hard case to cover because of the misinformation that's out there.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. The the the crazy thing, Captain, is that this is such a widely reported story. You think it would be
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easy to come up with information. >> Mhm. The problem being is that most of the reporting on this case are these
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kind of smaller web, you know, internetbased news websites, >> kind of clickbait stuff.
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>> Yeah. And a lot of them have an agenda. Some of them want to discuss paranormal
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activity or they want to talk about psychics and things like this and and and things that aren't really true
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crime, uh, so to speak. Even though we've had some psychics on or we've talked about some psychic stuff, we
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don't know how much we actually believe in that stuff. >> I I find it fascinating. I just don't
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know anything about it. Um but you know, if you were to if this were to be an unsolved mysteries type show, uh this
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would be, you know, when you see that they play the creepy music and it says unexplained death, that's what this case
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would be. It's it's an unexplained death. It's a it's a girl that unfortunately was out on her own. She
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disappeared and and then we have this weird unexplained death afterwards, >> right? And like you said, this is, you
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know, you're a true crime dork, so this doesn't really fall in your wheelhouse of
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>> Not at all, >> you know, and but let's go let's talk a little bit about her mental state. I
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mean, like we said that she was diagnosed bipolar. Uh I have some experience with this. Uh being diagnosed
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bipolar is a very tough thing for a therapist to do. Mhm. >> Uh they can treat you as bipolar and
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basically it takes years and years and years, but there's no like blood test. They can't take your blood and run it
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through some system and say, "Oh, we know for a fact that you have bipolar and we're going to treat you as such."
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Now, her list of medications that she's on, they're pretty extensive. Yeah, she's on four different uh types of
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prescriptions and it looks that she had filled those prescriptions on January 11th of 2013. So, just a few weeks
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before her trip. >> Uh, and she was found, her possessions that were found contained a lot of those
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prescriptions. And if you look through this list, some of the stuff is kind of odd because it tells you the number of
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pills that were issued to her, >> but it also says the number that was remaining in her possessions.
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>> Mhm. >> Uh once they found the possessions, the weird thing is that when she had the
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prescription filled, she had leftovers, >> right, >> of other prescriptions. So, we don't
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know how many that we know how many that were were issued, but we don't know how
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many she had remaining. So, like for example, one of the pills, it was a mood stabilizer. I I'm not going to try to
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even pronounce what it is. >> Oh, this isn't the fun part of the show where you and I butcher these. Uh
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>> yeah, I we could I I don't even know if we should attempt it. I think we we looked them up and and just to go over
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one of the things was a mood stabilizer. She was issued 60 pills and the number remaining was 70.
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>> Mhm. >> So, obviously higher. So, we should just assume that she had more. So, it's just
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really tough to know because we don't know how many she had prior to this, right?
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>> So, we don't know if she was actually taking the medication. >> And the prescriptions were basically uh
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there was one for ADHD, uh a mood stabilizer. >> Yeah, it was well the ADHD medicine is
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very similar to like um aderall. >> Okay. There was a mood stabilizer as well as an anti-depressant.
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Uh, and she did have some over-the-counter drugs in her possession as well. These being things like Advil,
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Sinutab. Um, and they found along with her possessions, they found a pill cutter, two pill cases, one divided pill
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case, five prescription receipts, and a personal med medication history. Right? So with the aderall or the ADH medicine,
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you know, basically to stay focused, she had a medicine to stay focused. The other with the anti-depressants, and
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again, I'm not a doctor. I'm just going off of my own experience. U the anti-depressant is to bring your mood up
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higher, >> right? To kind of get your baseline to be above depression, right? And then the
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mood stabilizer is kind of like a compressor. It takes all your lows and makes them higher, but it also takes all
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your highs and makes them lower. So, it it tries to keep you right in that middle, the sweet spot. A lot of people
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that take a mood stabilizer will have almost a zombie effect sometimes. Um, and that's something that as you're
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getting on this medicine, you have to kind of adapt and kind of see how your body reacts to different kinds because
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obviously you don't want to go through your life, you know, especially like let's say they put you on lithium, you
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know, some people can are on lithium and they just feel like they're in a fog and
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just nothing matters. >> Mhm. Yeah. And people have poured through these this information and
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looked through it and tried to decipher, you know, judging by the number of pills
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issued, judging by the number of pills remaining, was she overdoing it? Was she not taking what she was prescribed? It's
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you really can't tell because we don't know. There was nobody traveling with her. There's nobody to back up if she
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was staying on schedule with these med medications. >> Yeah. And and I want to be very clear
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about this. I mean, mental health issues are something that I think this country
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needs to talk more openly about. >> And so, in doing so, back in 2012, uh I was actually being treated uh for well,
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it was it was kind of a messed up situation, but one of the things was I was having a lot of depression almost I
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would categorize it as maybe severe depression. Um, instantly they started treating me for bipolar.
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>> Mhm. >> So, they put me on an anti-depressant and they put me on a mood stabilizer
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and this was without any therapy at all. >> So, wait, this is a physician. You you
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know, you go to a regular doctor and you're getting kind of diagnosed with this and but but ultimately treated for
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this. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, not to go into it too much and just uh I mean, we've
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talked in the past about mental health and we I always get these comments, oh, you know, thanks for bringing this up
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and it's so important and well, it's important to me because I mean, I was I was suicidal. So, I was that's all I
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could think about. And it wasn't that I was actually it wasn't to the point where I thought I was going to try to
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end my life. It was just everything was so bleak and it just felt like I couldn't get out of
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>> this depression I was in. And so I actually uh went to like um uh Net Care I think it's what it's called. And you I
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met with the therapist there and they kind of assessed me, sent me to my physician and boom, I'm on on an
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anti-depressant and on a mood stabilizer. >> Okay. Uh so now you know then I'm going
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okay well maybe this is going to fix everything. Um it didn't uh and it actually got way worse. But in the
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process I mean for me and I was on this stuff on and off this stuff for years and it was it's really
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you kind of establishing a new relationship with yourself. So I'd have these pills some days I would take them.
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Some days I wouldn't. Some Sometimes it would seem like they're working. Sometimes it seemed like it was making
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things worse. >> Right. >> So, a long story short, you know, I'm not a doctor, but when looking at this
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case, I'm viewing it as somebody that has been treated myself and somebody that has been dealing with some of the
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same issues that Alisa has been dealing with. >> Well, or was dealing with. What that
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gives me a little insight towards is it's not the, you know, the mental health and the way that we treat it is
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not the exact same thing as physical health and how we treat that. You know, if somebody has has high blood pressure,
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well, we can put you on this medication and it should regulate that blood pressure after x amount of days. Um,
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where with a mental health situation, we would you would you disagree with me? It's a lot of trial and error and and
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where some things might work for some people, they're not going to work for others.
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>> Now, we have this situation where we have a person out on their own and we cannot figure out is she keeping up with
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that medication? Uh was she overdoing it, underdoing it? Uh were there other things that that are factoring in?
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>> Well, and yeah, and was she being responsible on that medication? I was on a mood stabilizer called Depeico. Um,
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and I was told by uh I was told by some physicians that if you drink on it, I mean, it could you could just actually
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die >> from it. Uh, then I actually heard from my therapist that, you know, one or two
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beers wouldn't be that big of a deal. I mean, cuz think about it this way. I mean, you're, you know, I, you know, I
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had a house, I'd like to grill out, stuff like that. And, uh, what do you want to do when you're grilling out?
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Have a beer, >> of course. you know, and so when somebody saying, "Well, if you drink,
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you might die." Um, the I had a very negative effect when when I drink, I almost would hallucinate, like I'd get
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to this almost uh I've never done LSD or anything like that, but it was almost to
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this like trippy state. >> And so looking at this case again, that makes me question, was she taking her
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drugs properly? And and if she was, she was still having lapses. We know that she was having, you know, some issues
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because of the school stuff. >> Mhm. >> And then was when she was out on her own,
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>> maybe she would drink and and how would that affect her? And it affects everybody differently.
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>> Yeah. >> Cuz if you then, you know, for me, I did the research, some people that were
00:27:45
taking Depeico >> would could drink a couple beers and be fine or even drink liquor and be fine.
00:27:52
And I just found that once I took one drink, I almost became like a crackhead. >> Like as far as like I wanted all I could
00:28:03
think about was getting the next drink and then get the next drink and get the next drink.
00:28:08
>> And that that's been the biggest question mark for me regarding this case when I first looked at it was I wanted
00:28:14
to know how the these these medications would affect what's going on with her internally. I wanted to know because she
00:28:21
is on vacation. She's on her West Coast tour. Was she drinking and partying during this time and was she trying to
00:28:27
back off of medication to drink or was she maintaining that that medication and drinking on top of it and thus having a
00:28:36
different effect, >> right? And that's something we probably will never know. Uh but let's get right
00:28:41
back into the story after this quick beer break. >> [music] >> a [music] a a [music]
00:29:16
All right, we're back everybody. Cheers. >> Cheers. So, we have Alisa Lamb who is
00:29:21
out traveling the US. She's in California all by herself and we know that she has these uh bipolar disorder
00:29:29
and she's on medication for some different things. >> She checks into the Cecil Hotel. She's
00:29:34
there for a couple days. She's moved to a room by herself. And then on January 31st,
00:29:40
>> complaints, >> right? >> On January 31st, Alisa Lamb is last spotted by a hotel worker at the Cecil
00:29:50
Hotel. Uh this would be she's last seen in the lobby of the Cecil Hotel. Um and remind you, she has been contacting her
00:29:58
family up to this point. Uh this is where the contact stops, though. >> Mhm. On February 1st, the following day
00:30:07
was the day that that Lamb was supposed to check out from the hotel. Now, she did not actually check out. And this is
00:30:15
what sparks the the search for Alisa. >> Yeah. And because she's not contacting her family either, her family is going
00:30:22
to fly down to be in LA to help the hotel search for their daughter. >> Yeah. Breaking communication was
00:30:29
something that was that really worried the police as well as her family. Because one of the things I mean she was
00:30:36
in her early 20s and she's traveling by herself and maybe the parents said hey you can go
00:30:43
>> but you're going to have to be in constant contact with us. >> Right. Right. And you would want to be I
00:30:48
mean it's a it's a foreign land you know it's another country. >> Well I wouldn't want to be I'm just
00:30:53
traveling. I'm probably traveling to get away from my family. >> Uh so the police and the family are
00:30:57
working together to try to find Alisa. Now now think about this. So, captain, she could be anywhere. She's in this big
00:31:05
giant city and in in a big giant hotel, first of all, so they're going to have to start their search at the hotel.
00:31:13
Where was she last seen? Well, we know she was last seen in the lobby. And they actually go to her room. They search her
00:31:20
room and her belongings. They do a what what one would consider a thorough search of the hotel as much as they
00:31:28
actually can. You have to keep in mind here um this is not yet a situation where they believe that they they can go
00:31:36
and search every room at this hotel. We're talking about they have like 600 rooms here,
00:31:43
>> right? >> Uh and plus you you have all these back hallways. You're going to have all these
00:31:47
service areas of the hotels where this is not an easy search, >> right? But they can pull surveillance
00:31:52
footage right away. >> Yeah. So what what ends up happening is they search her room. They they can't go
00:31:58
room to room. We have people that are basically living in this hotel. Some people are staying there for a trip.
00:32:04
Some people are staying there on an extended stay. There are people that have lived in this hotel for years.
00:32:10
>> Um they do check all the common areas and they this the search itself provides
00:32:16
no leads to the whereabouts of Alisa. It provides also no leads or no hints of foul play.
00:32:23
>> Mhm. On February 6th and February 7th of 2013, the LAPD, they start to release to
00:32:31
the public details about the suspicious disappearance of Alisa Lamb. Uh they hold a press conference during this
00:32:39
time. This is when you start to see on on the news footage as well that they are putting up posters calling for
00:32:45
action. They're putting her face out there trying to get people to, you know, come forward if they've seen her or know
00:32:51
of her whereabouts. I know a lot of people wonder why the heck would uh LAPD, you know, make such a big deal
00:32:58
about this girl going missing. There's probably a lot of missing persons cases, you know, presented to the public during
00:33:04
this time. But one of the major reasons is it's, you know, she is not from the United States,
00:33:10
>> right? >> And so that becomes a little bit bigger of a deal. >> And the missing person's alert that is
00:33:14
sent out by LAPD, it, like I said, it includes her picture. This is important to LAPD as her family because there are
00:33:23
certain things about this disappearance that have not been fully released to the
00:33:27
public at this time. One of those being that she does have this bipolar disorder. Um, I'm thinking here,
00:33:34
Captain, that the investigators as well as the family are wondering is has this led to her disappearance and therefore
00:33:41
we need to put her picture out there because if if she's if something's happened to maybe she doesn't know where
00:33:47
she is, >> right? because she could be in a manic in a manic state and if she's in a manic
00:33:52
state then >> who knows she she is maybe not capable of getting back or being in contact with
00:33:59
them on her own. >> Yeah. So they the the details that they list are basically you know a general
00:34:06
description of her you know as well as where she was last seen that's at the Cecil Hotel 640 South Main Street in
00:34:14
downtown Los Angeles. Yeah. Um their their additional information simply just states that possibly suffers from mild
00:34:22
depression. >> They also include where she was traveling from and her means of travel.
00:34:27
Again, that's public transportation using Amtrak and buses. You know, hoping that maybe if she ended up back using
00:34:34
buses that she would be spotted there, as well as stating the cities in which she intends to go to. And this leads us
00:34:41
up to February 14th where the LAPD is going to actually release the surveillance footage, the famous
00:34:48
surveillance footage. >> Yeah, we have this is the very famous surveillance footage. This is taken at
00:34:54
at 8:31 a.m. on February 1st, the day that she is supposed to be checking out of the hotel. Now, here's what the claim
00:35:03
is, which is very strange to me, Captain, is that we >> fishy. >> Yeah. We have the footage that's taken
00:35:09
place in the elevator itself, but there's no other surveillance footage to go along with it. You know, there we
00:35:16
don't have footage from the hallways or from any of the other common spaces in this hotel. Yeah. And nothing from the
00:35:23
entrance as well. To me, I just find that very fishy. And obviously, we have lawsuits in this case, so you know, one
00:35:31
could assume that are they hiding these things? Well, you should find it fishy. And I'll tell you why. So, the deal is
00:35:40
they had other cameras. Their claim is that these cameras were either not working or not working to the point that
00:35:47
they were recording anything. Um, having a background in this, I can tell you that this would this really
00:35:54
>> Well, what's your background? Because most people wouldn't know. >> Okay. So, I was a security administrator
00:35:58
for a high-rise building in downtown Columbus, Ohio for several years. Now, mind you, the building that I worked at
00:36:06
was built in 1999. So, it's very different from a building built and constructed in the 1920s.
00:36:13
>> Right. Right. But as technology advances, then people put in new cameras and stuff like that.
00:36:18
>> Yeah. We had, just to keep things short, we had just under 100 cameras throughout
00:36:23
this building. It was, it had 27 stores, uh, 27 floors as well as a rooftop. >> Um, we had four elevators. It's my
00:36:32
understanding that the Cecil Hotel has two elevators. Um, we would have had a camera in any of
00:36:40
those common areas, meaning any place that you could step off of the elevator, there would be a camera that would go
00:36:45
and coincide with one that would be in the elevator as well. >> Right >> now, the thing here is we would conduct,
00:36:52
you know, we would routine security checks of everything. These cameras were being monitored at our front desk. We we
00:37:00
had six different monitors. Uh two of them were scrolling monitors where they would bounce from camera to camera on
00:37:07
the same cycle. >> Uh the other four were actual monitors where you could uh pick which camera you
00:37:14
chose to watch, right? >> And or a multi- view and you could also move and manipulate those cameras to see
00:37:21
certain things and and point the camera in different directions. We were recording on those monitors. So what
00:37:29
that means is that if something was not present on the monitor or at that time it was not being recorded.
00:37:37
>> Okay. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah. >> So we were only recording what was being
00:37:41
monitored. Now I currently work in a different building that is under a different situation. This security
00:37:48
system is constantly recording. It's always recording out of every camera whether it's being monitored or not.
00:37:55
Now, what it does so that you don't have millions and millions and hours of recording, what it does is it's set up
00:38:03
to detect motion. >> And so, it will only save portions of what was recorded by by setting it to
00:38:10
like, you know, 10 seconds before it sees a motion. It will record everything until 10 seconds after it doesn't detect
00:38:17
a motion again. Well, actually, maybe we are perfect to diagnose this case because you were a security guard or a
00:38:25
security administrator. >> Yes, I was in charge of all of the security >> and I suffered with a mental illness.
00:38:31
So, I think we're perfect for this case. [laughter] >> Um, so here here's my caveat to
00:38:36
everybody listening. Now, while I would be considered an expert on those two security systems, every security system
00:38:44
is very different, right? And I'm guessing that the one at the Cecil Hotel is probably not much like either of the
00:38:52
two more modern security systems that I was running. The problems I have that I see from the get-go are that one, I
00:39:01
don't believe that this is a hotel that is conducting routine security checks, >> right?
00:39:06
>> Uh because you have faulty equipment and they've decided that having faulty equipment is fine with them. That
00:39:13
becomes a budget issue. They know that these cameras are not working. It's not that something bad happened one day and
00:39:19
they just discovered these cameras aren't working. They willingly ran the hotel without these cameras working.
00:39:26
Now, did did they not have the budget to fund this? We don't know. But but their
00:39:30
thought was they were saying was that you know what, we have these cameras, the physical camera itself, whether it
00:39:36
be working or not, they're posted in these different positions. So people therefore in the hotel and walking
00:39:43
amongst the floors of the hotel believe that they are being filmed or being watched so they will conduct themselves
00:39:49
as appropriately. Well, and they are being watched, right? So, I mean, uh, in the defense of the hotel, you have
00:39:57
security guards there. You have people monitoring the whole hotel. >> It's, you know, they don't have any
00:40:04
obligation to, you know, film everything and house everything, >> right? >> You know, the their main job is to
00:40:12
prevent anything from happening, >> you know, and then and then the second would be if something does happen to
00:40:18
record it. But it's just odd to me that we have a recording, a famous recording inside the elevator, but nothing
00:40:25
outside. Nothing in the because it would be it would be really interesting to watch this video and watch it from the
00:40:32
inside and the outside because there's times that she steps off the screen and you kind of can't see what she was she's
00:40:39
doing, but if if we had footage of inside the lobby would know what she was doing. The thing I wanted to make sure
00:40:45
that we pointed out here, Captain, is that this video footage, uh, according to Los Angeles news departments, okay,
00:40:54
it's listed as this footage being taken at 8:31 a.m. on February 1st. The reason
00:41:01
why I wanted to be very clear about that is that because every every bit of this footage that
00:41:08
I've seen online, the the time stamp is like you cannot see it. you cannot tell what time it states on there. Uh there's
00:41:15
even been people that have reported that you cannot see the time and kind of guessed was it 1:00 in the morning? You
00:41:21
know what at what time did this video footage take place? I just wanted to point out that it's been reported in Los
00:41:27
Angeles as 8:31 a.m. Now, mind you, my other caveat there would be we don't know how accurate we've seen how faulty
00:41:35
their security camera system is already. We don't know how accurate that time stamp would be, but it gives us
00:41:41
something. It gives us a bit of a place marker to work around. >> And there's a lot of speculation that
00:41:46
there this tape is actually altered. And there I see maybe some evidence of that.
00:41:52
But anyways, let's just get right into it. Let's just do a playbyplay of this video. All right. So, I'm starting the
00:41:58
video now. It is rolling. The door is opening. Alisa enters from the left. goes. She
00:42:07
dips down. She starts pushing. It looks like every button on the left hand side.
00:42:14
>> Mhm. >> They all light up. She steps back, goes to the corner. She's now hanging out in
00:42:19
the corner for a little bit. And then she's kind of creeping around the side. Then she jumps out and she kind of pokes
00:42:26
her head to the right, to the left. Now she steps away. And now she's against the wall. Now she goes into the corner.
00:42:32
back against the wall like right up against it and then right into the corner. >> Now she's stepping around the corner and
00:42:39
she looks out to her right kind of creepy like this >> where where like her body's pretty much
00:42:46
in the doorway but the but she's tilting her head out to look into the hallway >> and she steps out with her right foot.
00:42:52
She looks to her left, jumps out. She takes a side step back. It's almost like she's doing the Cupid shuffle or
00:43:03
something. >> Yeah. So, she just went to her left and then went back into the elevator, then
00:43:07
back out again. >> Now, she's in the hallway. You can see her right arm, but that's about it.
00:43:12
>> And right now, she's standing where the elevator buttons would be in the hallway
00:43:17
>> and she's waving something, but her back is still against the wall. >> Yeah, it looks like her arm is up. Her
00:43:26
right arm is up. Her back is to us. And it looks like she's messing with her hair.
00:43:31
>> And yeah, now she comes in and she starts pushing all the buttons for left hand, right hand, she's pushing
00:43:39
everything >> twice. This is a lot more disturbing than the first time I watched it.
00:43:46
This is probably so thrilling for the listeners. Now she keeps I mean, she's just pushing buttons. Now she steps out
00:43:53
almost fixes her hair, but almost like she's kind of distraught. Like the hell is going on here?
00:43:59
>> She's in the hallway again. >> Now she's waving her hands like kind of in. Yeah, it's very Now she almost looks
00:44:08
like she's doing some weird dance move. And now she's doing something with her fingers. Almost like she's
00:44:17
dancing with her fingers. This is way more disturbing than the first time I watched it.
00:44:24
Her arms are up again. And now she walks down the hallway. >> Yeah, you can't see her.
00:44:34
Nothing. Just cannot see her at all. [snorts] She doesn't >> You can Yeah, she's not in frame
00:44:47
anymore. >> She doesn't come back into frame. And now the elevator door closes. >> Yeah. And that that clip, you can find
00:44:58
it online. It's about uh roughly about 4 minutes, but she's pretty much only in the video for about 3 minutes of that
00:45:06
whole clip. Well, after the elevator door closes, then we see the elevator doing what you exactly would think it
00:45:13
would do. It starts going to the floors of the buttons that she has pushed, and it's opening on each floor. And you can
00:45:19
tell that these floors are different because when the door opens each time, the the the decor is slightly different.
00:45:27
You might see different paint on the walls or a different uh floor tile as it goes through these different floors.
00:45:34
>> All right, so this definitely is some creepy footage. And if you haven't watched it, you should go do so now. And
00:45:40
I'll actually probably just take that footage and put it up on our website at trueimeg.com.
00:45:47
Um what's your takeaway from this? This is the first time we watched it together.
00:45:52
>> Yeah. So my my initial thoughts um when I wa when I had watched it by myself,
00:45:57
the first time seeing it, it looked to me when she goes into the elevator after pressing all the buttons
00:46:04
>> and then she goes right up against the wall like that's a move that you would
00:46:09
do if you were like hiding from somebody. >> Yeah. And then she furthers that by
00:46:13
going into the corner like maybe the person's getting closer or she's more fearful and she's hiding even slightly.
00:46:20
>> Yeah. But that's not initially. Initially she doesn't do that. Right. >> There's a couple movements before she
00:46:25
goes against the wall and then goes into the corner. >> Right. Right. And what I'm saying is she
00:46:29
goes in, she presses multiple buttons. >> She looks very relaxed at that point and
00:46:34
then until she goes right up against that wall. Again, my initial thought there was she's hiding from somebody.
00:46:40
Mh. >> But then she kind of like I don't know if she comes to or what, but then she
00:46:45
decides to step off of the elevator. >> Right >> now, one key thing to me was the corner
00:46:51
that she's hiding in is opposite of where the the buttons for the elevator call buttons. What you would call the
00:46:58
call buttons, which would be the buttons in the hallway. >> They're it's the opposite side. And so
00:47:05
to me, I I had always wondered, you know, when she's hiding from somebody, your first thought, too, is why are
00:47:10
these elevator doors not closing immediately? >> You know, um I will say that that all
00:47:17
elevators do act differently from one another, >> they're finicky. >> They're extremely finicky. Um and what
00:47:24
you can do on an elevator, you can easily confuse an elevator. And what an elevator will do as a security
00:47:31
precaution that if you override the system by hitting a bunch of buttons or hitting things in a weird sequence,
00:47:38
>> its natural state is to want to to default to a safety mode where therefore keeping the doors open is technically a
00:47:46
safety mode for most elevators being that it allows people to exit if they need to and it prevents the elevator
00:47:53
itself from operating. So where where some people might say that well the the building's haunted and the elevator is
00:48:02
not closing because she's running from something that's taking control of the building or taking control of the
00:48:07
elevator. I don't think the door's not closing. You know is any evidence of that? I think I think she's in an old
00:48:16
elevator. She's given it too many commands and it's just hesitating to close. >> Yeah. So, my stance on paranormal stuff
00:48:24
is there's definitely some stuff that I've experienced or some stories I've heard from people that I can't explain,
00:48:31
but I wouldn't say that I'm somebody that normally dives into that or believes into that a lot. And in this
00:48:36
situation, I I don't think it there's some paranormal activity happening. >> Yeah. The only time that that the
00:48:43
paranormal activity made me question was when she when she's doing those weird hand movements when she's like outside
00:48:51
of the the elevator. >> And you know, some people have said it it looks like she's almost casting a
00:48:56
spell >> or you know doing something like that like you know um that's sorry that's
00:49:02
your your spellcasting sound. >> Okay. Um but but to me it more looks like she it
00:49:08
almost looks like somebody talking with their hands a little bit more rather than than casting a spell.
00:49:14
>> Right. And then then people would wonder is she talking to somebody outside of
00:49:18
the elevator. >> I did have a thought that the reason why the elevator doors might not be closing
00:49:25
is that somebody's standing outside in the hallway hitting the call button which would prevent the elevator door
00:49:31
from closing. However, with her hiding in that particular corner, she would be more visible to that person given the
00:49:39
angle of those call buttons. You know what I mean? Like if that was in fact what was going on. Yeah. My initial
00:49:46
takeaway from this and like I said, watching it back, it's like seems a lot creepier than it initially did when I
00:49:53
first watch it because when I first watch it, you see her push the buttons, all the buttons, which is odd.
00:50:00
And it's like, well, one of the things I kind of thought was, you know, uh, my family used to stay at like the Holiday
00:50:06
Inn, you know, hotel, mot in. >> And, uh, it was about like 30 minutes from our house. But for some reason, it
00:50:16
was like, hey, we're going to go stay in a hotel. And we'd get a, you know, swim
00:50:20
in the pool and stuff like that. But sometimes when you have other kids around, you'd start playing like tag,
00:50:26
right? But you would be using the elevators of course and so you jump on the elevators push all the buttons. So
00:50:31
was she playing some, you know, some elevator game of tag with somebody? But that doesn't seem likely
00:50:40
cuz one, people booted her out of a room because she was acting odd. Uh two, she's also a
00:50:48
lot older, >> so it doesn't seem like that's something that she would even be that interested
00:50:53
in doing if somebody asked. She's by herself, so we we shouldn't, you know what I mean? You would assume you play
00:50:58
an elevator tag game. You're doing that with people that you know. Um >> yeah, hopefully she's not playing an
00:51:03
elevator elevator tag game by herself. >> My my initial thoughts were that that she was afraid of something. She's
00:51:10
trying to hide and then once she gets back into the hallway that she's seeing something that maybe she doesn't think
00:51:17
is real and that's why she's moving her hands in a weird way. when I when I take
00:51:22
a step back and I and I view it a second time and I think about I I try to put myself into her sandals, right? So, my
00:51:32
thoughts are are a couple things, right? So, if there were something some entity
00:51:37
or some ghost or something that you think that you saw or that you saw and you're afraid of, what would my natural
00:51:43
instinct be? Well, in any situation, it's going to be fight or flight. But if you're seeing something that you don't
00:51:50
know is real or you're seeing something that you're terrified of that that doesn't seem like it should be real, my
00:51:56
first thought would be flight to to somewhere where I know people are, >> right?
00:52:01
>> And so being that I wouldn't hop into an elevator and press every button to try
00:52:06
to escape a ghost. I would go straight to the lobby where I know there's going to be other people,
00:52:12
>> right? >> That would be my initial reaction to the paranormal type stuff. Now, if if she's
00:52:17
actually afraid of a a real person, then the other problem becomes, well, why would you push every single button?
00:52:26
You know, that again doesn't make sense, >> right? And I I think what we have here
00:52:30
is first when she's getting on the elevator, she she's walking in a very calm demeanor.
00:52:36
>> Mhm. >> And then her next handful of actions um are still pretty calm. like she steps
00:52:44
to the side, you know, being polite. I'm going to go in this corner. The door is
00:52:49
not shutting. Probably because she pushed every button on the lefth hand side. The first re the
00:52:56
first uh mo movement that she makes that is very odd is when she kind of sticks her head out and looks to the right and
00:53:02
looks to the left. And that's very odd. But maybe she's also just a shy person and she's concerned that she doesn't
00:53:09
want to look like a dummy. Or maybe she's doing something kind of goofy by pushing all the, you know, I'm going to
00:53:15
go to every floor just to go to every floor. Maybe she's bored and just trying to find somebody to talk to or and and
00:53:23
so she doesn't want to look dumb. But then the next movement was against the wall. She stays there for a second back
00:53:29
against the wall and then she goes in the corner. Now, a lot of people speculate that's when she's hiding from
00:53:35
somebody. I would, you know, if you have not watched this video, I'll just say go
00:53:39
watch the video now. So I don't I don't want to, you know, tamper with anybody's
00:53:42
ideas. I don't want to put ideas into other people's heads. So do that. Now, so my thought is it's pretty simple.
00:53:50
She's going against the wall because she's trying to have this sense that she's thinking the door is not shutting
00:53:56
because the motion sensor, >> right? So I'm going to go against the wall. So maybe that [clears throat] the
00:54:01
sensor will close the door. And when she goes against the wall, it doesn't work.
00:54:06
So then she goes to the corner. Okay. >> And then she walks out again. And again,
00:54:12
she's not rushing. She's not running. She's very seems pretty calm. And then that's when she starts making those
00:54:19
weird hocus pocus motions. And I can't really explain those. A lot of people say, "Well, maybe she was in the club,
00:54:27
so maybe she was like doing some weird club dance move." And I made the joke that she looked like she was doing the
00:54:32
Cupid Shuffle. Again, those move movements to me, some of them seem like she's trying to trip some sensor. Even
00:54:41
when she starts, she's doing the hocus p I can't even talk today. Hocus pocus type motions, but when she starts doing
00:54:49
those within like the doorway of the elevator, to me, that's to trip some kind of sensor.
00:54:56
>> Right. Right. I agree. And that the part that you were describing earlier, which
00:55:01
is the part that I think really kind of terrifies people the first time they see
00:55:05
it, is where we see her what I would call jump into the hallway. Uh, and the way you described it, had people not
00:55:13
seen it before, might be a little confusing on how this actually plays out. She's making very casual movements
00:55:20
up until this point. And then she very quickly throws her right leg, her right knee forward and she
00:55:28
>> she's doing a lunge. >> Yeah. And she quickly puts her head down almost at waist level and looks to her
00:55:35
right and then very quickly looks to her left. >> Yeah. It's kind of like boom boom boom
00:55:40
>> and then [clears throat] she retreats again into the elevator which which makes it does make it seem like well
00:55:45
she's looking for somebody that might be coming down the hallway on either side >> and she's she's might have been chased
00:55:52
to this point to where she she doesn't know fully know where this person could come from and and then I start
00:55:59
questioning though it if there's somebody outside did she meet somebody while she's in LA uh like we said we she
00:56:07
was moved from one room to another. So, it doesn't seem like she's having a bunch of communication with other
00:56:13
travelers, >> right? >> Um or maybe she was acting odd and there was somebody from the hotel out there.
00:56:21
>> Yeah. And that's been an argument that people have put forward that maybe she
00:56:25
wouldn't go to, you know, when I said I would fly to the lobby where I know other people are, the argument would be
00:56:32
then be, well, if she's hiding from somebody that works at the hotel, >> uh, that that might not be her first
00:56:38
option. She might not want to go to the lobby. >> Yeah. >> The thing I see here though, Captain, is
00:56:43
that I don't see while I see, you know, some quick movements on her part, right?
00:56:49
I don't really see anybody that appears to be in any hurry to go anywhere. >> Yeah.
00:56:54
>> I mean, >> three minutes. >> At least three minutes of the film, she's in or around the elevator.
00:57:02
>> I've also Go ahead. >> Well, I was just going to say that. It's one of those things every time we dive
00:57:07
into a case, uh, it always seems like there's one or two things that I wish we had
00:57:13
>> because, you know, if we had those, we'd have more answers. And I really think if
00:57:18
we had some kind of footage from the lobby cuz there's so much of the you see her in frame but you might only see her
00:57:25
arm >> again. What is she just doing? Is she just standing out there just sitting
00:57:30
patiently? And maybe she was, you know, got off the elevator. I'm just going to stand here and the door will eventually
00:57:36
close. But it didn't. So then she jumps back in. It's um I don't know. >> She appears to me to be stalling the
00:57:43
elevator. That's really what I think when I when when I see her get in and hit every button. That that to me tells
00:57:50
me that she's trying to hold up that elevator for some reason. And maybe maybe not even just to keep it at that
00:57:56
floor, but to stall it from wherever it may be get getting called from. Uh I have heard.
00:58:02
>> Right. But if you're going to stall it, you just go in there and push door open.
00:58:06
>> Right. I I wouldn't think that the the lay person would go in knowing that if I
00:58:11
push all the buttons that it's going to stall out the elevator. I don't think that was her intent. The the reason why
00:58:18
I say that though is I see other evidence of her what I would say stalling the elevator where where she's
00:58:26
using other means of that where where she's standing with her body in the elevator and peering out into the
00:58:32
hallway. Um, that to me is is stopping that door from closing. That's that's keeping that motion sensor alive and
00:58:40
it's not allowing the door to close. Then once she's >> Right. But that doesn't make any sense
00:58:44
with the the you know the second and third motion of her going against the wall and then going in the corner. That
00:58:50
wouldn't be a a mechanism that you'd use to stall the elevator, right? >> No, it wouldn't be my first go-to. I but
00:58:59
what I'm saying is I see I see three things in that video that look to me like somebody stalling the elevator and
00:59:06
and one is pushing all the buttons and and you're right maybe she doesn't know or most people wouldn't know that that
00:59:13
could potentially stall the elevator. Two, she's obstructing the door from closing more than once. Even with those
00:59:20
weird hand movements, she's she's breaking that that sensor and keeping that door open even longer. Mhm.
00:59:25
>> And then when we do see her and we know that she's still next to the elevator,
00:59:30
when we can see her arm but not her body, she's where the call buttons would be in the hallway where one could push
00:59:37
those buttons or hold those buttons down keeping that elevator door open as well.
00:59:42
>> Mhm. >> I know that none of them are definitive things of a person trying to stall the
00:59:47
elevator. I'm just going off of the fact that I see three what could be attempts
00:59:53
of stalling this elevator. Well, and you you know with your experience, I mean, you've watched probably thousands and
00:59:59
thousands of hours of surveillance footage. >> Well, and having a really good knowledge
01:00:04
of of >> drinking your beer. >> It's Gatorade. [laughter] Uh, but not having a really good working
01:00:12
knowledge of of the elevators. >> Is that what you call beer? >> Yeah, it's my energy fuel for the show.
01:00:17
>> It has your electrolytes in it. >> I do want to point out something as we're discussing these elevators,
01:00:22
though. Again, they're very finicky machines. >> Mhm. >> Um, you know, don't >> That was my nickname in high school,
01:00:28
finicky machine. >> Don't play on the elevators. That That's not That's not a good thing. They will
01:00:33
close on you even though they're not supposed to. They will behave in strange ways. Um, I don't want anybody, you
01:00:39
know, nobody needs to lose an arm off of playing elevator tag. >> Mhm. I I feel like I've given my kind
01:00:46
of, you know, initial thoughts and then a step back and and make another assessment of the video, but I don't
01:00:52
think I got your >> Well, well, summarize yours. >> So, so mine, of course, the first
01:00:58
initial thoughts was she's hiding from somebody and something strange is is going on. Then at second look, my
01:01:05
thought is that she's stalling the elevator, that she's being disruptive to the operations of the hotel for some
01:01:13
reason. Like kind of a I don't know. I I feel like there's a little bit of um of
01:01:19
a little like aggressiveness in her that that she's upset with the hotel or and and and wants to just disturb other
01:01:27
people's visit by by holding up the elevator or making it stop at every floor for no reason. You know what I
01:01:34
mean? It seems like a very childish thing to do. Remember remember when you're a kid the first time you stay in
01:01:40
Well, maybe everybody didn't do this, but the first time I remember staying in a high-rise building, right? I thought
01:01:45
it was funny to jump into the elevator, press every single button, and then I would jump off of it and not even need
01:01:51
to take it anywhere. It was just funny to me that I knew, well, it's going to stop at every floor, and you know that
01:01:56
there's somebody on one of those floors going, "God, this elevator takes forever." Um, you know, and then got,
01:02:02
>> you know, but you're 10 and it's funny to you now. I'm not I'm not saying anything.
01:02:07
>> Still funny now. >> It is still kind of funny, but you see what I mean? I get I get the feeling
01:02:11
like she's being disruptive for some reason. Like maybe maybe she's angry that she got moved to another room.
01:02:18
Maybe she's upset with those other guests thinking, "Well, these people are rude and they they they went into the
01:02:24
the to the front desk and complained about me and now I'm in my own room." >> Yeah.
01:02:28
>> Um >> Yeah. I mean, let's have been trying to be friendly with these other travelers and sometimes, you
01:02:37
know, sometimes people pick on other people, >> you know what I mean? and maybe she was
01:02:42
acting a little strange. Uh sometimes you need to take the strange and the and the weird because sometimes that's
01:02:49
strange and weird can be beautiful and you take those people under your wings and become friends with them and and I
01:02:55
think you know one we should all do a better job of trying to be inclusive to people you know because people need
01:03:02
other people and also you know it goes to the point that you know these travelers probably didn't know that she
01:03:09
was dealing with something and probably looking back on this now when they go oh
01:03:13
Yeah, we were the people that complained on her and maybe this wouldn't have happened if we were just more again open
01:03:22
to people's differences and try to be inclusive or just try to be understanding. And so I understand that
01:03:29
her idea might have been, you know, personally to me, I'd go, I'm in a youth hostel situation where I'm
01:03:36
with a bunch of other people and you want to give me my own room. So So these people stay is better. To me, I'm all
01:03:43
for it. upgrade my room. Give me a king-size bed and, you know, put a bunch of little liquor bottles in the fridge
01:03:49
and put that on the house and call it a >> day. You You feel like going from being
01:03:54
living in a petting zoo to being a fat cat in the sky. >> Yeah. Give me a I want to be a fat cat
01:03:59
in the sky. And but maybe it just rubbed her the wrong way, you know? >> Well, and here's one thing I wondered
01:04:05
about that situation, Captain. So, if if you're at the front desk and somebody complains, you know, we got this person
01:04:12
that's behaving strangely, and then your response is going to be, yeah, you're in
01:04:16
a shared room. You know, there's all different walks of life in there. Um, you're in a shared room. That's what you
01:04:22
paid for. Well, then a second person from the same room comes down and complains about the sec the same person,
01:04:27
right? >> Then that person, of course, you're going to that complaint is now justified
01:04:31
and you're going to move that other person to keep these two people happy. I wonder to me I wonder if she wasn't
01:04:38
behaving strangely at all. Is there a possibility that the two people in the room already that complain about her, do
01:04:45
they know one another? Do were they hoping that oh we'll we'll share a room at this discounted rate because we can
01:04:50
say other people can stay here and if they put anybody in here we'll just complain about you and I have flown on
01:04:56
planes together. And what's the thing that we usually do when they have three seats in a row and it's just the two of
01:05:01
us? You sit on one side, I sit on the other side. We leave the middle seat empty. And then we give the nasty stare
01:05:07
down to everybody that walks down the aisle so they don't want to sit between two garage dudes.
01:05:12
>> Mhm. >> And it usually works. >> Yeah. Or or once they sit down, we start complaining about him.
01:05:18
>> Belching, >> right? So they have to move them like, "Can you move? This guy's kind of being
01:05:22
a jerk." >> That's right. He's got hairy arms. >> Yeah. So Well, maybe these people were
01:05:26
just going, "Hey, let's uh let's just complain because if we complain, then we'll just get an upgrade." I got I you
01:05:32
know I have friends that will get a hotel room and then they instantly nothing's wrong with it. They just call
01:05:38
in and go the room doesn't look so clean because they know that they're going to
01:05:42
get an upgrade >> being a DB just to get the the upgrade >> for no reason >> being a jack wagon.
01:05:48
>> The old JW >> old DB in the JW. >> Yeah. So I to me captain I see somebody that looks like they're stalling the
01:05:56
elevator. For what purpose, I don't know. But what it does tell me if I'm right. Um, and not saying that I am.
01:06:04
>> But if one's trying to stall the elevator, then that throw that shows me she's not running from something or
01:06:10
someone. >> That doesn't make a lot of sense here. I mean, to me, it seems like you're trying
01:06:14
to play who can be the dumbest guy in the room game and you're winning. Um, but cuz it doesn't make any sense to me
01:06:21
because if you're just trying to stall the elevator and you don't want to ride on the elevator
01:06:27
>> Mhm. >> then why are you staying on the elevator and she stays on the elevator for a good
01:06:32
minute of that clip, >> right? >> That's why I'm saying it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I It would still
01:06:37
stop at every floor. I What I'm saying is I don't believe she's trying to stall the elevator from leaving that floor. I
01:06:44
think she's just trying to be disruptive and stall the elevator in any form or fashion she can think of. Now go
01:06:51
>> right. Not really. Stall might not be the right word, but basically to possibly inconvenience others.
01:06:58
>> You're exactly right. >> All right. So I think Yeah. So you just picked a really shitty word. You
01:07:03
[laughter] you need to work on that. Um, I see that and that would make sense because the thing that doesn't make any
01:07:10
sense to me and when she comes into the elevator, she bends down almost as she as if she's having a hard time seeing
01:07:20
the buttons like cuz she does go one hand on the knee and puts her face very close to the buttons.
01:07:25
>> I mean, she Yeah. and she almost goes to a 90 90° angle bend, >> you know, to see these buttons and then
01:07:32
she ends up just pushing what looks like to me all the buttons on the left side,
01:07:37
which makes zero sense. Um, unless But look, we've all had those times where we're staying somewhere and, you know,
01:07:45
I've traveled, you know, with music and stuff where I've been in one hotel one night, next night, different hotel next
01:07:51
night, and I get in, I go, "Oh, I'm on floor three." And you're >> a [ __ ] four. Ah [ __ ] No, it's five. But
01:07:58
it doesn't look like that because it's blah blah blah blah blah blah. So I don't I I don't know why she's hitting
01:08:05
every button. So the stall thing makes sense, but you know, my thought is when she is backing away, it's and going
01:08:13
against the wall and going in the corner, it's not to hide from somebody or hide from some paranormal uh entity.
01:08:19
It's to get the sensor to realize that it's time to close the door, okay, and move on.
01:08:26
>> Uh, a lot of those movements I can't I can't explain I can't explain the whole
01:08:31
Cupid shuffle and I can't >> Well, and most people can't and that's why the the footage is so fascinating.
01:08:37
>> Yeah. And I've never uh like I said, I was treated, you know, for bipolar. That's what they started treating me
01:08:44
for. I was never diagnosed with bipolar. Um, I never had a manic episode. I've had
01:08:51
friends that have had manic episodes. Uh, some of them could remember small details of the manic episodes, uh, but
01:09:00
they couldn't remember the full situation. Uh, I worked with a singer songwriter one time that she went
01:09:06
missing for a couple weeks. We didn't know where she was. she wasn't showing up for the session. She had booked and
01:09:11
she had an episode and she ended up she was arrested and then once they realized
01:09:17
that she was just offer medication uh she was released and she told us I don't really remember why I was down at the
01:09:23
state house. I was convinced though that somebody was going to harm somebody else.
01:09:30
>> Mhm. >> And she doesn't remember much of the details but she remembers certain parts
01:09:34
of the event. But again here, Alisa doesn't look like she's acting. I mean, other than a couple weird, it's almost
01:09:42
like normal movement. Normal movement. Oh, that's weird. Normal movement. Normal movement.
01:09:48
>> For 70 weird 75 or 80% of the video, she's moving very casually to me. >> So, those are our initial thoughts and
01:09:56
kind of our summarized thoughts. You know, yeah, maybe she's trying to stall it. Maybe she's trying to inconvenience
01:10:02
the hotel. We don't think that there's anything going on paranormal that we can tell. I mean, like again, I mean, it's
01:10:09
not like we have video footage of the the hallway and there's like, you know, some ghost, you know, the ghost buster
01:10:16
guy. >> Slimer. >> Slimer. Yeah. Um, but that's kind of our thoughts. And now we have tomorrow, you
01:10:23
know, cuz there's no way we're going to finish all this because we have a lot of
01:10:26
theories. >> I'm surprised that we have so much more to get to. Um, you know, we we have to
01:10:31
talk about the rooftop. We have to talk about the body being found. We have to talk about the autopsy. We have
01:10:36
>> theories. Tumblr. Uhup. It goes on and on and on. >> Yeah, we're kind of long- winded today,
01:10:43
but I think it's good. I mean, I wanted to give a, you know, a little bit of your background as, you know, being a
01:10:49
security administrator and all that stuff. And uh, and yeah, I mean, I kind of opened up the floodgates of personal
01:10:58
life. >> Mhm. You opened up the garage door and exposed yourself. I [laughter] >> I sat down in the chair and I told No,
01:11:06
the the reason for doing that was because I think it is a sensitive issue and especially in this case and I know
01:11:12
we brought it up multiple times and uh I think it's something that we should be sensitive about, but it's something that
01:11:19
we should be open and also honest about cuz maybe by me saying, "Hey, look, I've
01:11:24
dealt with it. I've I've been on prescription pills before. I've seen a therapist. I've tried to work out some
01:11:31
of the stuff that was going on in my head and then in my heart, however you want to view that.
01:11:36
>> Uh, and it's not the easiest thing to talk about. And sometimes, um, gets a little emotional cuz I I feel like I'm
01:11:43
in a better place now. And so to think back on the the really hard or dark times is not the best. And I don't need
01:11:50
a bunch of people sending me comments saying, "Oh, thank thank you so much. I'm not trying to be a champion uh for
01:11:56
mental health." I think it's something that we all can do. Pretty simple. Just be open, honest, let people in, be kind
01:12:05
to people, >> right? >> Understand that people are walking different paths than you are. There's
01:12:10
some day e look, even if you're not diagnosed with, you know, some kind of mental, you know,
01:12:16
>> we all have good days and bad days. >> Good days and bad days. Yeah. Exactly.
01:12:19
And it's like though and everybody knows those bad days where somebody's being a
01:12:24
little nicer to you or just, you know, says, "Hey, nice shoes." Right. >> Right. Nice jib. Yeah.
01:12:30
>> Right. It it picks you up. Uh so I don't need a bunch of comments about that.
01:12:35
Just if you want to do anything about it, just be open and honest with your friends and your family. And also just
01:12:41
try to be kinder to each other. >> Be nice to the people around you. Be nice to a stranger, too, because you
01:12:46
don't know what that person's going through. You don't know where that person is from. Maybe they're from a
01:12:50
another town or another country and and they're confused about where they are. Just be nice to one another is all all
01:12:56
the captain's pushing for here. >> Yeah. Be kind. Don't suck. Don't be a douche wagon. And uh you know, be sweet.
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>> I want you to talk about your project real quick. I I told you that you were going to have to talk about it on this
01:14:04
show today. >> Yeah. So, I Everybody knows that I do music. Uh you can check out I just
01:14:09
launched a website. It's more like a uh musical journal, if you will. There's not a bunch of stuff on it yet. I'll be
01:14:16
posting because everybody asked me. So, it's uh captainfatands.com. >> I'm releasing my my real name.
01:14:25
>> It's professor captainfatands. Just go to captainfatands.com. Uh and that is going to be my little
01:14:32
site for my musical journal. And on this Friday on St. Patrick's Day, I have a project that I was involved in. Uh I
01:14:39
write a lot of songs and I sing. Uh normally not for other people. And the project's name is St. Patrick and the
01:14:47
album is called Tin Man. And that will be on iTunes >> this Friday on St. Patrick's Day.
01:14:54
>> Right. So the project is called St. Patrick released on St. Patrick's Day. >> Okay. So check out the captain's
01:15:00
website, captainfatands.com. And we will be back tomorrow with lots more to talk about. Until then, be good,
01:15:08
be kind, and don't litter. >> Yeah, [music] my boss is going to be pissed. I'm drunk.
01:15:20
>> [music]