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[Music] accused killer Sydney tyrhuse did lawyer up and he got a good one or at least an
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experienced one his lawyer was a man who faced more criminal murder defense cases I believe
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in the history of Canada he had argued at the time nearly 700 murder cases so if anyone could get tear
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Hughes a light sentence this is going to be the guy for the job Tyrus did agree to talk with Dan
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zupanski and why wouldn't he have this guy seems to want to tell his story and to tell the story of the murder itself
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yeah but this is going to make his lawyer's job a little more difficult that it is
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Dan thought the case was a good one to Spotlight for his work with the peoples for justice but this case was already
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making headlines and Dan believed there was a bigger story here and this could be a book
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so Dan and Tyrus work out a deal that the two of them would write this book together about the case and they would
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split the proceeds 70 30. the things as you just said here Captain regarding making tear uses case more difficult to
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argue in court yeah 100 percent that is so spot on because the things that he's telling Dan zupanski one in
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person and two through letters he's talking about how not only did he kill and mutilate this poor man
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he seemed to or at least from his writings he seemed to enjoy it right he seemed to enjoy it very much he sent
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Dan several letters and even diagrams of drawings of how he dissected the body and things that he was intending to do
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if we're gonna hold on if we're gonna talk about dissecting there we go continue on
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my kind sir so the other thing too that we have not got to yet and you look you had a statement yes you
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got to clear something up for me because you said Dan was going to split the profits
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correct now that's legal there it is and it isn't we'll get into that in okay in in more detail here in a
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minute just I'll remind you later I want to Circle back to something that you said on yesterday's show and maybe a bit
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of a head scratcher for some of the people out there you talked about the length of time and we talked about the
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amount of skill that would be involved the amount of labor involved to mutilate this body in the manner that it was
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you made a statement saying this proves this points to premeditated murder and people are probably going well all of
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that all of those Acts were carried out post-mortem how does that point to premeditated murder what it points to is
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that our offender that our killer very likely has a fascination with the dead has a fascination with playing and doing
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with things to a corpse and you can't have a corpse until you murder someone so it very much plays into the thought
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of was this a premeditated murder or not I agree we talked about letters that he sent and about diagrams
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that he sent to Dan talking about things he wanted to do or things that he did do
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with the body there were also acts of necrophilia ah okay tyracuse talked about playing with
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the body and playing with body parts he talked about partially dissecting one of
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the hands in one of the forearms Tyrus even talked about the power that he felt when he's holding the parts
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of the body and how it made him know that he had done the right thing meaning that the murder was the right thing for
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him to do right as we said according to tyracuse 6 20 PM is when he says Robin green died I mean it's pretty sick I
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mean he's he's blaming flicky flicky with the with the Dead tyrheus says he has serial killers for
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Role Models this is what he tells Dan and he actually notes four killers in particular and this is Dennis Nielsen
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who he says is his hero Jeffrey Dahmer John Wayne Gacy and Eileen warnos for those not familiar
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Eileen warnos was an American serial killer who murdered seven men in Florida between the years of 1989 and 1990. she
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shot these men at point-blank range Aileen claimed this was in self-defense and that the men had raped her or
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attempted to do so alien was a sex worker she was convicted and executed by the state of Florida
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this is somebody that we will at some point want to do a profile on episode 8 11. okay John Wayne Gacy
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who we covered in episodes well this was way back then episodes 105 and 106. and
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for those that listen to those two episodes you will remember Gacy raped tortured and murdered at least 33
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teenage boys and young men between the years of 1972 and 1978. Gacy received a much easier death than any of his
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victims when he was killed via lethal injection at the Stateville Correctional Center on May 10
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1994. his death was confirmed in the middle of the night and actually this is this is a strange thing this is
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something I will never forget I remember hearing back in 1994 I had a paper route and I
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remember hearing on the news early that morning before anyone else in my family had got up for the day hearing the news
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that Gacy had been executed Jeffrey Dahmer who of course is very well known in the True Crime Community
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also known as the Milwaukee cannibal or the Milwaukee monster he committed rape murder and dismemberment of 17 men and
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boys from 78 to 1991. he ultimately received the old prison Justice and was killed by an inmate on November 28 1994.
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these are tyrus's Role Models those are his words yeah well he says hero for one
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yeah and with with the Dahmer case uh you were saying that earlier before the murder actually took place in room 309
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that they were taking pictures is this uh old-fashioned camera or is it a Polaroid no it was a disposable camera
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okay so did they get any evidence off that other than that they can place him in
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the room and place them together nothing other than that because the pictures themselves from my
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understanding only depict both of them being alive and well before any type of attack occurred right but I also wonder
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if he got this from Dahmer because Dahmer would take pictures at the time I think Dharma was using a Polaroid but he
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would take pictures of a lot of his victims or he'd even get him to come back to his apartment saying hey come
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back I'll take some pictures of you it's it's possible it seems like a weird thing to do and then turn yourself in
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yeah there doesn't seem to be yeah but that to me good reason or to be well thought out that I'm going to take
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pictures to capture this moment yet I'm not going to view these pictures okay there's one
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crime that is similar with Dahmer where he picks up a man takes him back to a hotel and blacks out woke up the guy was
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I believe Beat to Death so that's similar to to Dahmer I I wonder if he read about some of these guys fantasies
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because like you said the mutilation of the body would be proof of premeditation
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if he read about some of these guys fantasies and identified with them well that's why I'm giving a very brief
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look at each of these individuals that he named as his so-called Role Models yeah and it look these are people that
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tear Hughes likely studied and the last one that we need to go through is Dennis
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Nielsen this is the one who he said was his hero now Nielsen was a Scottish serial killer who was convicted of
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killing six people but murdered at least 12. it's suspected that he murdered 12 young men between the years of 1978 and
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1983. he committed these murders at his home this was at two different addresses
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in North London he strangled most of these young men he would then keep the bodies for an extended period of time he
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would eventually dissect the bodies and dispose of The Remains by burning them or flushing them down the toilet
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tyracuse claims in court that the letters that he sent to Dan zapanski that's giving great detail right on how
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he committed the murder and things that he did with the body and how he enjoyed it
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he claims in court that these details he found all this information in books that
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he found in the the prison library at the jailhouse library and he took details from these different crimes of
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some of the killers that we previously mentioned and pieced together this fictional story of what he tells Dan
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happened that it's not you can't use those letters to determine that I actually knew what I was doing that it
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was in fact premeditated murder and that I am a very very sick and Disturbed individual
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you can't use that because it was all some fiction that I came up with in my mind put pen to paper and sent it off to
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Dan zupanski to try to tell or to assist him in telling a good story right all of
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these killers uh that we mentioned too is interesting that he lists these killers in my opinion and
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because they're all big names these killers received a good deal of notoriety for the murders and for the
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gruesomeness of the murders that they committed Dan would learn quite a bit about tear
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use unfortunately most of what is known about tier use comes from Sydney tier Hughes himself
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he has decided what would be learned about him what he would tell people here you spent most of his adult life working
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as a chef he moved around quite a bit too remember we said he was from Winnipeg but moved
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away he actually lived in Vancouver amongst other places for some time tier Hughes moved back to Winnipeg or
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was in the process of doing so at the time of Robin Green's murder he was moving back because he had recently lost
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his job as a chef and he was let go or fired and was waiting to get back on his feet
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or in the process of doing so in Winnipeg yeah this Royal Albert hotel it was the kind of place where you could
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throw down a little money and stay for an extended period of time so I don't know for sure but unlike our victim
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Robin green who was simply in town to visit family and party for the holiday tier Hughes was probably there for an
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extended stay as he attempted to move back to that area before all of this tear Hughes didn't
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have much of a police record maybe not as big of or as lengthy as one as most would think
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he did have a conviction for exposing himself to a newspaper boy yeah and here you're just trying to deliver the papers
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and uh goo tyrkuse was adopted he was an indigenous person adopted by a white family who lived in Winnipeg Syracuse
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would claim abuse but of course there were never any charges to back any of this up he he claims to have been
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physically and sexually abused by some of his family members I know some of the details of that I
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don't care to go into it because I don't believe that these statements are true these are in my opinion highly suspect
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claims unsubstantiated claims of abuse and I actually liken these claims to be similar to those of Arthur shawcross Who
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after his eventual capture just seemed to lie about everything including abuse by members of his family right
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so it is through this book project that Dan zupanski acquires all of this information from Sydney tier Hughes
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about the murder Dan decides this stuff is evidence most of what Dan has of course is from
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tier Hughes Tyrus wrote about it himself and sent it to zapanski this is evidence
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about the murder about intent of murder and truly a glimpse into the mind of the
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killer right and we know that he told the police which I I'm not sure how that works there but when they see him and
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and he takes him to the scene of the crime he said they ask how it happened he said well I did it and I chopped him
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up with this knife so to me that would be oral confession and then it seems like zupansky's going hey this is a
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written confession all right something you wanted to get back to we need to talk about the deal the deal between Dan
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and tear used to split the proceeds of this book 70 30. yeah the way that this goes down and I will
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really simplify this and make it very vanilla because we don't need to go through every little tiny bit of this
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but generally speaking what we have here is Dan supanski is aware of current laws in
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place and aware of laws that are in the process of possibly being enacted right there was
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to be a law put into place it hadn't passed yet but it was to be put in place so that criminals could not
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profit from their crimes much like our son of Sam laws that we have which technically eventually those
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were ruled to be unconstitutional but there are still similar laws in place here in the United States that hold up
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the general concept of that idea that perpetrators cannot profit from his or her crimes right so Dan knows
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that this is in the process of being voted upon and that he's aware that it's going to pass this is not when
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when you go and you put this bill I don't even know if they call them bills up there I love when we talk other
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countries we know so much it's tough enough to figure out America yeah so well what rounded we are when this bill
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is put up or this this act is put into place or to be voted upon Dan is aware that this is the type of situation that
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passes it's not something that sits around and waits and there it never passes this is a law that everybody can
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easily get behind nobody out walking around in society no normal person wants a murderer to profit from their murder
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right they just don't he goes in there with this idea knowing that Terre Hughes thinks he has leverage because tyrkuse
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is the man holding the story he's the one holding all the information if he doesn't give that to Dan zupanski he can
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give it to somebody else so Dan wants to make it look like hey we're working on this this thing together we're going to
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split the proceeds he's also aware that this law is going to pass eventually and
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I can flip the table flip the script on tier Hues he's not going to get paid or profit in any way from the information
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that he's provided Dan's also very confident that tier Hughes will provide him with information because he seems
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eager to talk to someone do you think uh Dan zupanski would look him in the eye and say ha got him a hundred percent
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stories all mine creepo maybe now I don't know at the time because there are some complications with that
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so Dan zupanski threw his correspondence with murder Sydney Tyrus goes from journalist and author to Star witness in
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this whole mess because his correspondence in the work and effort that Dan put in he provides the
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prosecution with a detailed and graphic minute-by-minute timeline of the crimes and the murder and then the post-mortem
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behavior of the offendum offender right also because tear use is dumb enough to believe that he's communicating with a
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quote-unquote friend he also provides his feelings and thoughts and puts pen to paper and writes them down to later
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be viewed when trying to determine his punishment for a very brutal and cold-blooded murder right which his
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lawyer is probably trying to argue the defense lawyer is probably trying to argue that my client's insane
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and and and therefore and he didn't plan this so therefore it should be manslaughter or even less yeah second
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degree murder charges back then would you would be facing if convicted a 10 to 25 year sentence
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all right keep that in mind as we go through the rest of this within those details are also tier Hughes writing
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what he's thinking and feeling as he is dismembering this innocent man and again he talks about the power he
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felt during the act and how severed pieces of this body how it turned him on right he felt
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powerful Tyrus also believes two far-fetched ideologies that the savagery of this murder is going to bring him
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notoriety and money by committing the horrible act itself and then telling this putrid tale with
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fanciful descriptions from his writings was even telling Dan what to name the book
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or at least providing several suggestions for the title I won't wear those I couldn't find that list and I've seen
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that list somewhere in the past we should have reached out to Dan maybe Dan can tweet us or something I've seen that
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list before and I could not find it anywhere within this past week or so but Dan if you're listening tweet us the
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book itself is called trophy kill and that is one of the suggestions provided to Dan from tear Hughes and Dan had to
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testify against Tyrus this is scary stuff this is scary for many reasons we know what tier use is
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capable of right we know what he has done that is not in dispute at this trial what is in dispute is was this
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premeditated and did he of his own power and of his own control commit this horrible act and murder
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we talked about the two for one deal this this is why this makes this super scary right
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Dan zupanski has to testify against this guy against the guy that he fooled that
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he tricked right the two for one deal states that while you're in jail waiting for your court date you get two for one
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time served because of the it's more harsher it's considered to be more harsh by Canadian law while you're waiting for
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your trial rather than serving your time in prison so we're going to give you double time for it remember we said if
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this thing goes to second degree murder the penalty is 10 to 25 years tier Hughes managed to if he was managed
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to get it reduced to second-degree murder or manslaughter which many of these cases do go that
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route right right he's going to get a lighter shorter sentence and then right and plus he gets double time for the
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time sure right meaning if Sydney tier Hughes gets 12 15 years something like that he's already served
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10 years of that okay let me get into that real quick the trial took five years to get to
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he sat in jail waiting for a court date for five years that's too long well that's of his own doing right right he's
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manipulating the system him and his lawyer claim that he's not getting a proper jury trial that he should get a
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jury of his peers and because he's an indigenous person that they should be basically he he wants the peers to be
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exactly like him make up a jury of people exactly like me and that's a [ __ ] stain that's not how it works uh we need
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a whole jury of [ __ ] stains your honor but think about this if he only gets 10
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years we could be talking about parole hearings as soon as this dude is convicted right zapanski Could Be A
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Marked Man yeah tier Hughes fortunately his next trophy does not this doesn't work out in his
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favor or to the extent that his lawyer was trying to manipulate the system he does get convicted of murder he does
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receive that life sentence with possible parole at 25 years foreign cheers mates thanks for joining us in
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the garage cheers Captain some things that I wanted to get into before we wrap up today some what I believe to be very
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important questions here they come to mind when reviewing this case and questions that I think need to be
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discussed for one do you or do the people out there believe that tier Hughes actually killed
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for fame and notoriety I could see somebody saying yes because there's some evidence of that I'm going to say no
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because I think that's after the fact I think this was more about the thrill and
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the power that he would seek afterwards and and possibly these fantasies that he
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had that he wanted to carry out because it was so horrendous that I think it was
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like a byproduct like he thought well now that this has happened and now that I've possibly could spend my whole life
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in prison how could I profit off this or how can I make something of myself yeah
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I don't know that he killed for fame or notoriety I'm I'm kind of with you on that a little bit in the
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sense that maybe he figured there's no way of getting out of this and we've already
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stated he says serial killers were his role models maybe he saw some of the fame and
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notoriety that they received from their crimes and thought well if I'm gonna have to do the time at
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least maybe I make myself a somewhat of a name right now if in fact he did I'm not gonna I don't know that I would go
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as far to say that he didn't I I really feel on the fence regarding that question and that is a big question that
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comes up in this case but if Tyrus did in fact kill for fame and notoriety look we already know he would not have
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been the only person to ever do so I'm Luca Magnotta killed and dismembered Lin June and there's no doubt that he did
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that for what he presumed to be Fame he he did receive International notoriety not so much for the murder but because
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he packaged and mailed off the hands and feet of the victim to elementary schools
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into political party headquarters and because of the video he released on the internet depicting the murder scene
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I'm sure there are probably plenty more but Luca of course is is the one that first comes to mind also though I think
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there's also evidence against that he did it for fame because if he's telling these people later that hey these were
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my heroes these serial killers well as far as we know this is his only kill and so I think if it was like oh well if
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I kill somebody and I do it in such a horrific manner I can keep killing and I'll have to keep killing and keep
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doing so in a horrific manner just like my quote-unquote heroes right but I think the thing when we talk about
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somebody like Luca magnata is he set it up in a way that he would be able to kill one person and receive
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that same notoriety be the be lumped in with some of the worst of the worst but having only killed one right but you
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bring up uh my other question which is an interesting one to ponder is tier use possibly a serial killer what what do
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you think the chances are that he has killed before this I mean this is pretty gruesome stuff here even by serial
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killer standards so making it somewhat difficult to believe that this is tear hughes's first go at homicide yeah I
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think because of his small criminal history one you can say well this is possibly the first one and he also
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confessed to it pretty quickly it's almost like once he came to or claims to come to is when he goes oh I must have
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did this and I need to tell somebody and but it's so horrific that's the evidence
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that you go well this person has the ability to have done this before yeah and it appears that he
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has the fascination to have done this before yeah that this is some kind of fantasy that he
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eventually lived out or maybe it's one that he has in fact lived out in a different manner once or twice or three
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times before the thing is with this case you're not going to find another one that is
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identical to this post-mortem Behavior by the offender right but the confession that you reference is
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really truly the first thing that makes I believe would make one say no he's not
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done this before because he in fact did turn himself in but well it seemed like he couldn't stop confessing
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somewhat I mean here's the thing the confession I think when we see behaviors of other individuals maybe we
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take that away and say okay that is not a 100 indicator that he is not in fact killed before because we have seen
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scenarios some like that of Ed Kemper I mean he killed and killed and killed and
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oddly enough he dismembered corpses too but then one day he turned himself in right
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then you have someone like Wayne Adam Ford dubbed the remorseful serial killer also out in California just like Kemper
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Ford killed Four Women and then one day just walks into a police station with a severed breast in his pocket for
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Effective proof mind you and confesses to being a serial killer now some believe that this man may have
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killed more but only telling the police about the ones that he wanted to leaving
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out some of the kills and confessing to others and all of this for one reason or
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another and unfortunately Ford if in fact he did kill more than four only he would know the reasons why
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he would confess to some but not others usually Captain what I have always looked for in this type of scenario when
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we talk about confessed killers and why they would confess to some but not others is the obvious and in our great
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country some states have a possible penalty of death right for one's crimes and others do not that
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making sense why someone might confess to a murderer in one state but choose to leave out a murder that they've done in
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another state and we've also talked about shame and of course it's hard to believe that
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someone capable of murdering multiple individuals would have any form of shame but it seems that they do we know this
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from someone like Ted Bundy who was a partially Confessor of his crimes right and his
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confessions he hinted at and made reference to acts of necrophilia but never outright admitted to it
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and we know that on February 9 1978 Ted abducted and killed 12 year old Kimberly
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Leach but that wasn't a crime he was willing to confess to right but I think it goes back to what you're saying
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before is while they the the selfish reason of well I'm not going to admit to killing somebody in this state because
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I'd get the death penalty but I also think they admit they omit any killings of children because they
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know that could mean the death penalty for them in jail because we we have seen uh time and time
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again that people that have committed crimes against children they get punished well
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in the situation with Sydney tier Hughes is just this he was hoping that because he claims to be
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all drugged up and intoxicated that he's going to get a second degree murder charge or a manslaughter charge and this
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will not this doesn't mean he's spending life in prison or that he's spending 25 years in
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prison so if I walk into a what I believe to be police department and tell them I woke up and found some guy
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chopped up in my hotel room I must have killed him right that plays to me hopefully getting second degree murder
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charges or manslaughter charges now if I say within that same sit-down meeting oh by the way I also did this in
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Vancouver and I also did this in Edmonton I did it in you know any other place right but by the way I blacked out
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in all those cases it's going to make it seem like now we're talking about a premeditated murder hands down right and
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that his defense is not that he didn't kill this man his defense is that he was not of his own
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control thus light severely lessening the sentence that he would receive and by the way maybe I'm going to receive a
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little bit of notoriety a little bit of Fame and a little bit of money along the
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way while I sit here and and wait to be released back to the public yeah it's really a tricky thing the thing
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with tear Hughes too I'm I would be curious to know more about why and when he chose to
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pack everything up and move to a different city I'm curious what is the actual reasons
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and the why and the how of him moving back to Winnipeg and him moving from Vancouver if you're a chef in Canada
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Vancouver it from my understanding or Toronto is where you want to be he was in Vancouver at one time that's the
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place he's going to make the most money that's going to be the most opportunity and the most jobs for somebody of that
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profession right is there an unsolved crime that he possibly would fit the bill for yeah did it get too hot in the
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kitchen he decided to run too hot in the hot tub dancing pansky was a volunteer journalist a wannabe true crime author
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this story picked him and I'm glad that it did Dan zupanski received a lot of extremely unwarranted criticism for his
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efforts to get to the truth and to present the truth to the public the public that would be just as afraid
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as Dan was if they just took the time to educate and understand the true gravity
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of this situation and the dangers that someone liked here Hughes presents to any society that chooses to allow him to
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live in that Society I said volunteer journalists and I said want to be true crime author and I said
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that with extreme respect to Dan Dan didn't go to school to be a journalist and later when his book title trophy
00:36:39
kill came out he was then criticized by people in that profession saying Dan is not a true journalist a journalist is
00:36:47
someone who collects writes and shares information with the public Dan is every bit of a real and true journalist and
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one very big giant step above those that critiqued him and above and better than those who just
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push fluff pieces for a paycheck right Dan is a journalist with Integrity a man that cares about the truth and that
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worked his butt off on this tear use Robin green case getting the story straight from the mouth of the monster
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and then provided that truth to the public he truly performed a real Act of Public Service here so
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I just don't understand the the criticism [Music] [Music] I want to thank everybody for sharing
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have a recommended reading for this week of course we do if you go to True Crime
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garage.com and click on the recommended page you will see a lot of recommendations from two guys in a
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garage listed right there for you this week we are recommending of course trophy kill the shall we dance murder
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the trial and Revelations of a psychopathic Killer by our good friend long time friend of the show Dan
00:38:17
zupanski check that out on our website yeah Dan zupansky the king of True Crime until next week everybody be good be
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kind and don't litter thank you [Music]