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[Music] crime in yesterday's show we started off by telling you the tragic story of four
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people who were gunned down in the superbike Motorsports store in chesne South Carolina in
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2003 that case remains unsolved then we tell you about the strange disappearance of a couple in their early
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30s this is 32-year-old Charles Carver and his girlfriend 30-year-old cayb Brown and the super bik case became one
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of the most popular cases in all of South Carolina one of the most famous cold cases of South Carolina that's
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correct this case involving The Disappearance of these two young people well it started to pick up some steam in
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the media when strange postings were taking place on their Facebook pages these were almost postings pointing out
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that they're living some kind of secret life that they had not disappeared at all that they are they went off on their
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own and they're fine right police decide that they're going to use technology to
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try to T track down these two people and they started tracing Caleb Brown's cell
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phone well they find that her phone was pinging off of towers up to 2 days after
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the couple was last seen in 200 2016 yeah they trace these pings to towers that are located in Woodruff
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South Carolina 50 miles away from where the two had lived yeah now this is a small town and it has a small population
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yeah I believe that Woodruff is only like four square miles and the population would be somewhere between
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like four and 5,000 people so for so a small blip on the map right mhm now they the police still have an issue to deal
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with because now it's a matter of narrowing down a more specific location of where this cell phone could be
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located and then two getting a search warrant to go out and find the thing right so Anderson investigators they
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worked the case for over a month and a half before they were able to conclude that there was cell phone activity from
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Kayla's phone in that area now once they confirmed this they had to contact the Spartan Spartansburg Sheriff's Office
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office and informed them that they had their case of a missing couple and they believed that the answers May lie within
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spartanburg's jurisdiction not only were the Anderson investigators armed with cell phone
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records but they also had some information that had been provided to them from a third party okay the
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information was that Kayla's body there they had heard a rumor that Kayla's body
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is buried on a 100 Acre property somewhere near Woodruff now the sh shi's Department points out that there is only
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one property that matches that description within a 2m radius of that cell phone tower and that is a 94 acre
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property belonging to a man named Todd Kap so they got the police helicopter right and they did a fly over of copp's
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property okay what they were looking for what they were hoping to see is if they
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could spot Charles Carver's White vehicle that had gone missing and had been missing for two months after they
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did an extensive air search it turned up nothing yeah they didn't find the vehicle and also this guy Todd he
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doesn't actually live on the property it's this property that he owns yeah it's a big hunk of land and the police
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they're not going to give up on this on this gut feeling that they have they believe that the the property is
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suspicious and they want to get boots on the ground and comb the property right better than pants on the ground the
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problem with that Captain is they need to get a search warrant so they're going to have to have more than just suspicion
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to get that piece of paper that will allow them to search the property well this going to be hard to do well
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investigators they went and they got Todd KB's cell phone records and this provided them with a confirmation of
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what they already had suspected this put Todd kab's phone his cell phone and cayb
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Brown's cell phone in the same area at the time of her disappearance which that's all they really needed to get the
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search warrant for his property yeah and the interesting thing here Captain this
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is a good tactic you had mentioned that Todd did not live at that property no he
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he lived away and he lived in a like a regular neighborhood you know not not on a big piece of property somewhere right
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and so what they did was they actually got two search warrants one for his home where he lived and then one for the
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large 94 acre property that he owned the thought is and they serve them at the at
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the same time which is which is pretty brilliant I think because he can only be at one of those properties if he wants
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to monitor what's going on right he can only be in one location at a time so you're hoping that you get to walk a
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place without him interfering with any of your search right and I'm picking the land well you if you're Todd no I'm if
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if I'm law enforcement I'm picking I don't want him at that that land well then you got your wish because he
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decided to be at his home M my guess is what what is more likely is that he didn't have a choice in the matter they
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probably just showed up right we have a search warrant we search in your house what I would do is watch his house and
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make sure that he's in the location that you want him to be right okay so you have him at his house and you also have
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investigators at his property both locations are being searched so the detectives and the
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deputies that found themselves out on the big property on the 94 acre piece of property right this is on Thursday
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November 3rd early in the morning they're there to serve that warrant they're out there walking this property
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the investigators had searched a barn finding a ubolt chain okay what's a ubolt chain well I I
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said that wrong they found a ubolt and chains around a bed in a loft okay now that's Weir weird
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yeah bed in a loft and there's chains yes on these beds and it's going to get a little more weird because they start
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to hear some kind of banging noise or so they thought I mean keep in mind this is
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a huge piece of property pretty much unoccupied land so it's hard to tell some but there's multiple buildings yeah
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the noise was they described it as faint at first and they actually thought that
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it could just be some noise coming from the Woods okay so the deputies they moved out of the barn and they decided
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to listen a little more closely and they started hearing it again this banging noise and they decided to chase after
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the noise moving closer and closer to where they believed it was coming from yeah and as they moved on it was getting
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louder and louder as they ran and the noise took them to a 30 foot long shipping container mhm one officer ran
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up to it and decided to knock on the side of this shipping container that's when they heard screaming somebody was
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inside and they're yelling help me get me out of here oh my God so the investigators they ultimately use cp's
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own tools that they find on the property and in the barn and such to cut open the
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container the deputies took the padlock off of the doors of the container and opened it up inside they found the
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missing 30-year-old woman kayb Brown she she's alive you know but she's tethered by the neck one investigator
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said she was chained like a dog in there and she tells the officers immediately I've been in here for about two months
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now as Kayla emerged from the dark of that shipping container so did Todd kp's Secrets right but we have another
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missing person we have Charles her her boyfriend yeah there's no sign of him you know they they find cayb but no sign
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of Charles Carver mhm later dozens and dozens of people searched the property and ultimately they ended up finding his
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vehicle it was found in a ravine the thing was it was covered in Brush right and it was also spray
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painted brown so that's why they couldn't see this thing from the air when they did the flyover Todd Kap he
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was arrested um you know simply they just they just called over to the guys searching his house and say slap the
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cuffs on him we found our missing person yeah they they called over and they said
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you my friend are a piece of [ __ ] yeah and he decides he's not going to cooperate with investigators he doesn't
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tell of course not he didn't tell them anything he doesn't know anything about the woman that they found on his
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property chained up like a dog don't know anything about her yeah never seen her no never talked to her yeah but she
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has a different story yes well let's get get into her story and first the the sheriff is on record describing the
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container as what he says is a hellish place to be locked up in during the area's hot weather he stated that there
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were no lights there were no windows there's no airf flow through this little container thing now Kayla was wearing
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clothes when she was found but it's not clear whether they are the same ones that she was wearing when she and
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Charles Carver went missing the sheriff said deputies found weap on the property
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um these are guns uh and ammunition on the land in his house or um doesn't really matter but I believe they found
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him in both locations right and he described the sheriff described the property as a farm that has no one uh no
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home on it right okay so now you mentioned Kayla now when she is she's receiving some medical attention she's
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going to be put into an ambulance where she's going to go off to receive reive treatment mhm and during this time she
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has an opportunity to speak with investigators who want to know how did this happen and what happened after you
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know since you've been here you say you've been here for two months so Kayla informs them that she was introduced to
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Todd Kap about five or six years ago by some guy that she was dating at the time uh they said that they were friends
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uh she I'm sorry she said that they were friends her and Todd right she had stayed in touch with Todd cooh Heap from
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Facebook and that she had started working for him started cleaning houses for him remember coap is a realtor and
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so you know when you take over a home especially if it's not occupied not everybody leaves the home in good
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selling condition you bring in somebody some some cleaners to clean up the properties whether it be outside or
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inside right now she stated that her and her boyfriend Charlie went to copp's property in Woodruff to thin some
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underbrush this was on the day that they went missing right she said that the three of them had walked into the barn
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to get some tools for this under brush clearing now she states that they got some hedge clippers and they walked back
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outside that's when Todd went back inside and shouted for them to hold on for a second when Todd came back out he
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had a gun in his hand he fired three shots into Char's chest Charlie fell backwards and Kayla was completely in
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shock she said that she looked down at him and that's when Todd grabbed her from behind and he took her inside and
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put her on the floor he had handcuffed her uh handcuffing her hands behind her back and then cuffed her feet right then
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he sat down in a chair and told her that he was sorry about killing Charlie but he had to let her know
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that he was serious and he wouldn't hurt her okay he wouldn't hurt her if she did what he
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said mhm he said to her that he couldn't believe that she didn't realize that he
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like to kill people okay yeah well you you sell houses man you're not killing people well that's that's you know what
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I mean like that how does that make any sense well he tells her how did you not know that I like killing people well he
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tells her that he he actually killed people for the government oh for a living and that she should have known
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better and he said that he was breaking all of his rules with her and he didn't know if he was going to kill her or to
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sell her now when he when he took her inside I'm sorry when he took her outside she saw Charlie Charlie was he
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was dead at this point mhm and he was wrapped up in a blue tarp and in the bucket of Todd's
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tractor she said that he then put her in a building and left her there he had told her that he buried Charlie
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somewhere on his property and that no one would ever find him because he put red pepper around Charlie's body and
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that wouldn't let the dogs smell the body well he must know this because he's killing people for the government well
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we mentioned the vehicle remember Charlie's vehicle not only did he spray paint it brown and cover it with brush
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so that people couldn't see it if they flew over top he also loaded it or told her that he loaded it with dog food so
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that animals would come in and tear the thing up mhm not leaving any evidence behind that was in the vehicle right so
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he also told her that he sold people to sex trade in other countries and that he
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used to kill people for the government stating that he was a military contractor and that when he got home he
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just couldn't keep from seeing the bad and everyone and he said that he liked killing drug
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dealers okay so Cole Heap he asked her but he killed Charlie for no reason really yeah well and he asked her for
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the passwords to get into hers into Charlie's phones and to their Facebook accounts right she said that Todd Cole
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had liked to brag to her that he was a serial killer and a mass murderer he said that he was going to kill more
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people because he had dreams of his body count being in the three digits mhm he said that at that time he was still in
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the high two dig digits he also said that um if she was going to be a good girl that he would
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teach her how to kill people and she could eventually be his partner all right so Kayla described the treatment
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that she re goals to have some lofty goals to have well uh from a very strange individual hey if if you work
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hard enough if you're a good girl you can be a piece of [ __ ] just like me well
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she would describe the treatment that she received at the hands of this monster she said that while she was
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there he Todd would get to the property between 1 and 3:00 every day and he would take her out to the main building
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right and this is where he would feed her and he would make her do whatever he wanted sexually mhm and then he would
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put her back in the building she said then he would always come back between 5: and 700 p.m. and take her back out
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into the building again usually feeding her and again most of the time doing whatever he wanted to her he would let
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her take a bath um she said that she had a chain around her neck that was connected to a wall and a cuff around
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her ankle now she said that he would come and get her out of there he would come in with a gun and he would then
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walk her to the other building at gunpoint he told her Todd KP told Brown that he would never see jail time for
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any of this because if he was caught he would either buy his way out or his handlers would get him out of this
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situation right he also said that if he was ever caught that he would say that that Kayla had shot Charlie that she had
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seduced Todd and he said that he had money you know lots of money and that because of
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this the police would believe him and they would not believe her well this makes a lot of sense yeah she seduced me
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and then she chained herself up and put herself in this storage container she did say that he never like if she would
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say no to something that she said he said that she had to do right that he would never force himself on her cuz he
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didn't believe in rape right that's what he said that's what he told her yeah right which this the whole thing's rape
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right this gigantic piece of [ __ ] should understand you you you're chaining her
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into a storage cab uh um container and it's super hot out right M and you're taking her in to this house or other
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building by gunpoint it's it's all rape man you're just big ah I just hate this guy well the other thing though too even
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though he says that he you know wouldn't force himself on her he made it very clear to her that if she was no longer
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useful to him then he had no reason to keep her around any longer longer and he's already told her that he killed her
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boyfriend so she knows what he's capable of yeah yeah and she did tell police though that as far as she knew that Todd
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had not killed anybody since Charlie now coep told her told Kayla that he was going to build a house on that property
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at some point and when he did the two of them could be in a relationship together
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she also she stated that he was going to build some kind of soundproof room in the house and that's where she would be
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kept and if if he trusted eio if he grew to trust her then at some point she would be able to get out of the house
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and and walk and run the property it sounds like every girl's dream well I guess he was he had explained um
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Stockholm syndrome to her and he said he was telling her you know eventually this
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Stockholm syndrome is going to kick in for you and when it does you and I can be happy
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together it's a strange he also tell this is a tactic that you hear a lot when you find these cases he also told
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her that she was not being looked for that nobody cared that she was missing right you know they they use this tactic
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often now Todd Kap told Kayla that there were just a few mentions of her on Facebook about her disappearance and
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that the news only mentioned it once and this was uh when her disappearance hit right around the one month Mark she said
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that she knew people were looking for she she never gave up on Hope of that and she also said that unfortunately it
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she realized it was a lot easier if Todd thought things were going to go his way so she just made him think
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whatever he wanted to think right and Kayla states that coap uh revealed that he had kept another woman in this
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container before her he told her that he had just held her that he he was going to keep her there and then at some point
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that girl had pissed him off and he decided to kill her right she stated that she wanted to escape and that she
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looked for opportunities to escape from him but she said you know I kept my eyes
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open for a chance but one never presented itself right and there's probably a chance at some point to try
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to take off running or something U but chances are he's going to shoot you well let's find out exactly who this creep
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captain now Todd Kap he was actually born under a different name he was born Todd Christopher samel this is way back
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in March 7th of 1971 he was born in Fort Lauderdale Florida Todd's father William
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samel was a military veteran divorced from his mother in 1973 just after four years of marriage
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when coap was only 2 years old right now his mother Regina remarried shortly after this and at age five Todd took the
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last name KP which was his stepfather's last name car Carl Kap was his stepfather right he had adopted him into
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the family along with two step siblings now now in preschool Kap would sit in the corner and he could only interact
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with the other children in an angry manner according to his mother she also said that he would destroy other
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children's projects and he would hit the other children one time he had bleached
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a goldfish what yeah I guess I guess he wanted some kind of other pet like a hamster or something like that uhhuh and
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when his parents told him no you have a goldfish we're not getting you the another pet right he killed the Goldfish
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yeah he's like well now I don't have a goldfish so I need a dog well it's funny that you mentioned dogs because he
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actually one other thing that his mother pointed out was that at one time in his
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early childhood he actually shot a dog with a BB gun and he had been kicked out of the Boy Scouts for multiple
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disruptions they didn't go into any details about that but uh right who given what we've seen who knows what
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that could mean now while living in Georgia coep spent 3 and A2 months in a mental hospital as an impatient uh he
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was committed because he couldn't get along with other children according to his mother throughout his childhood coap
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expressed anger toward his stepfather and at age 12 in 1982 with his mother and stepfather uh they were having
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marital problems right so Todd was sent to go live with his biological father for the summer
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now kab barely knew his father at this point remember they separated when he was very young and his father moved
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quite far away he hadn't seen his father in 8 years by the time that he went to go live with him his mother would later
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say that she believes that a lot of her son's problems might be because he never
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really knew his father now yeah could be acting out because of that well after that summer
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you know he only goes and lives with his father for a summer after that One Summer Todd then returns to South
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Carolina and he's going to live with his mother at this point Todd is demanding that he be sent back to Arizona to live
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with his father okay he's threatening to kill himself or his mother if she does not allow him to go back okay eventually
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Todd does go back and live with his biological father and at some point he starts working for his father as a
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dishwasher and a bus boy his father owned a restaurant this is Billy's famous for
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ribs so in October of 1986 and this is according to police records Todd Kap he lured his
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neighbor this this girl lived three homes away from his house yeah he okay so he goes up to their house knocks on
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the door this girl that he apparently was targeting answers the door he tells her hey you need to come outside your
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boyfriend wants to talk to you once she gets outside he pulls a gun on her and he decides to take her for a walk at
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gunpoint he then forced her to his home which was like we said three Three Doors
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Down uhhuh and he rapes this girl and he takes her he walks her home and he actually tells her you know if you tell
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anybody I'm going to kill you I'm going to kill your family however someone else
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ended up calling the police not this girl but somebody else in her family now the police they arrived at Todd kab's
00:31:02
home and when they found him there they found him with a rifle he's armed and his first response to when
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they tell him why they are there mhm is how much time am I going to get for this weird yeah eventually they end up
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talking him down you know they he he puts away the gun and he ends up going with polias now the thing is they end up
00:31:30
charging him as an adult right so Todd's going to end up serving about 15 years in jail yeah and upon his release he's
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now 30 years of age at this time and when he's released he moves back to South Carolina he is then placed on the
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government's sex offender registry coap applied for a South Carolina real estate license this took
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place in 2006 and in doing so you know he has to sit down and he has to tell them about
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his felony conviction right for this kidnapping and rape he in the application um which at
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the time it didn't require a criminal background check I guess but he wrote he wrote like a completely different story
00:32:20
of this whole incident right and he stated that he had some kind of heated argument that the girl the girl was
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actually his girl friend is what he says and that they had some kind of heated argument and they decided to go for a
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walk and talk it out and it was during this walk that she was reported as missing okay and when the police find
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them that he has a firearm well why does he have a gun with him it's because of fear of and concern over gangs in the
00:32:52
area at the time right so he gives them this this story and they approve Pro his
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license to become a real estate agent in the state of South Carolina he would eventually work as a broker for a
00:33:07
Spartanburg real estate company while he ended up starting up his own real estate
00:33:12
business this is called TKA real estate and this company employed about a dozen real estate
00:33:20
agents so he was doing pretty well he was pretty successful yeah he was doing well enough to have one and then he
00:33:27
purchased that land that the girl was found on in 2014 for over $300,000 and not only did he purchase
00:33:35
that land Captain I guess he built like a chain link fence on the property right
00:33:41
and it cost $8,000 to put the fence up on the property that is expensive fence now
00:33:47
Caleb Brown had mentioned that the two were friends and that she was working for Todd at the time that he had taken
00:33:54
her captive right they were friends for roughly about five years mhm and so the police would eventually release some of
00:34:01
the interactions between the two that led up to the point of her disappearance MH one is where she is asking coap if he
00:34:09
has any work for her stating I know that you want to help and I know you have work for me please let me know as soon
00:34:16
as you can then later Todd replied we will figure it out I would like to see you out of this hole that you are
00:34:23
temporarily in to which cayb replies are me and Charlie still working at the land
00:34:29
on Wednesday Todd Kap had hired her as we said and hired Carver to clear some brush from his property now on August
00:34:39
31st the day that the two had disappeared Kayla asks him are we still meeting you at your house at noon and
00:34:47
Todd replies yes okay so on September 7th Todd coap sent another message this message is to
00:34:56
Kayla and says you know I'm not really sure what's going on but I saw this news article that you that they are looking
00:35:03
for you really hoping this is just you taking off for a few days at the beach or something right this is just him
00:35:10
covering his tracks and then on his own Facebook page this is after the kidnapping he makes a post that says
00:35:17
reading the news this person missing that person missing oh wait that person just went to the beach with their friend
00:35:25
so again covering his track and also acting like he knows nothing of anything right so we have this guy now he's he's
00:35:34
arrested and we have Kayla who's telling them the complete story he abducted me and he killed my boyfriend he shot
00:35:43
Charlie in the chest now police are talking to this guy and they want to know the details cuz they have some of
00:35:49
the information they have it from the victim but she has also told him told the investigators that he has killed
00:35:57
other people right so Todd he's going to shift gears here and he's going to start
00:36:05
agreeing to cooperate with the investigators but he's got a list of his own demands okay he wanted them to help
00:36:13
him do a few things and if they did he was willing to cooperate and tell them about his other crimes okay what what is
00:36:22
this list okay so he had as we said he he did pretty well for himself so he had a good amount of money I
00:36:29
guess Believe It or Not uh he referred to a woman as his girlfriend so according to him he had a girlfriend at
00:36:36
the time when this happened oh my God and his girlfriend had a daughter I believe and he wanted to take some of
00:36:44
his money and transfer it into an account so that she could use it for her daughter okay the police agree to to do
00:36:53
this right they also the other thing that he wanted to do was he wanted to talk to his mother before he was willing
00:37:00
to talk to the police okay he wanted a one-on-one conversation with her no police around that kind of thing that's
00:37:07
that's not out of the realm of possibilities they agree to that as well and then I guess there was a a painting
00:37:13
or a picture of a horse that was important to their family I think it belonged to Todd's mother's
00:37:20
mother and it was in his home his mut was a mut yeah and he wanted the police to guarantee that they would give that
00:37:29
picture or that painting to her okay again something that's not unreasonable not unreasonable but you also have to
00:37:37
wonder you know these guys are like this guy's a monster and I don't want to do anything anything for this guy why
00:37:43
should we do anything for him well you you first wonder if he's going to give this money to his quote unquote
00:37:50
girlfriend and she's going to help him out somehow with it but the talking to the mother thing not that big of a deal
00:37:57
and this painting thing not that big of a deal if this if you suspect that what his hostage was you know telling you is
00:38:07
the truth mhm then the then this monster has some stories to to share and let's do a couple things to get these because
00:38:16
then we can close some other cases well the first thing that he does now remember we have that story from Caleb
00:38:23
Brown that's saying you know he told me that he kept another woman in this container before me right and that
00:38:29
somehow she pissed him off and he killed her yes so the first thing that Todd does and what he will agree to is he
00:38:36
does take them to two graves on his property this is in addition to Charlie Carver by this time when speaking with
00:38:44
him they've recovered his Charlie's body right so he's going to be charged for that murder correct so he takes them to
00:38:52
two graves and this is Megan Lee McGraw Coy 25 and her husband Johnny Joe Coy yeah
00:39:03
who's 29 now the County coroner he said that Megan was shot in the head and that
00:39:11
Johnny was shot in the Torso the couple the story of this couple they were reported missing late December
00:39:20
2015 this was shortly after each of them had been released from jail Johnny had been arrested on December 10th and
00:39:28
charged with unauthorized solicitation and giving false information to the police Megan had been arrested on
00:39:35
December 18th and charged with child neglect according to court records the two of them they had a history of
00:39:42
panhandling now sled records SLE records show they had prior convictions for drug and alcohol
00:39:52
offenses dating all the way back to 2009 okay now Megan's mother was the one that
00:39:58
reported the two of them missing she reported her missing on December 22nd after she couldn't reach her on multiple
00:40:05
attempts now coap would tell us that he first saw Megan panhandling on Reedville
00:40:13
Road one day and he felt bad for her so he stopped and he talked to her and then
00:40:19
he offered the couple a job cleaning houses for his real estate agents right and the couple had gone to his property
00:40:27
his big property in Woodruff to get cleaning supplies this is when Todd says that Johnny decided to pull a knife out
00:40:36
and he tried to Rob Todd he said that he came at me and then I put two in his chest so then the investigators they
00:40:46
want to know well what what about Megan why is she dead and found on your property as well and he said that he
00:40:52
didn't want to kill her immediately he said that he he was he was kind of panicked you know he shot this guy and
00:41:00
he didn't really know what to do with the girl now with the woman right so he said that he cuffed
00:41:08
Megan and he left her on the floor of one of his buildings while he buried her husband's body then he cleared the room
00:41:17
in his metal shipping container this is the same one that they would later find kayb Brown in mhm he said that during
00:41:24
the time that he kept her he kept her for about five or six days kept Megan there he had brought her things uh
00:41:33
Little Caesar's Pizza Dr Peppers uh a lighter Newport cigarettes and he was trying to tell her that he would take
00:41:42
her he would drive her to Tennessee and he would give her like four or $5,000 so she could start her life over
00:41:49
again she could get a job and she could just disappear up there well I don't know where that plan went AR or maybe
00:41:58
she wasn't agreeing to that but he said at some point that Megan kept burning things inside the
00:42:05
container and that he had found the storage container full of smoke and because she had been burning things you
00:42:13
know she was doing things that were pissing him off she was not agreeing she was not playing along with whatever she
00:42:19
was supposed to be doing she was breaking things right setting things on fire and trying to get rescued well
00:42:27
that's what she was doing yeah and he said that he kind of played a trick on her he said that he was going to let her
00:42:32
go and he walked her out of the container and after they got out of that storage container he put a bullet in the
00:42:38
back of her head he says that he ended up using the same Glock 22 to kill Johnny and Charles yeah but what Todd's
00:42:46
doing here is he's confessing in a way but I don't think he's telling the actual truth of what happened yeah
00:42:55
confessing in a way that points out that it might not be 100% his fault that these people are dead that they they did
00:43:01
things to him that that ended in the result of them dying or being killed because hey you take two panhandlers and
00:43:09
you go on your property that gives you a reason to be carrying a gun and the guy
00:43:13
pulls a knife at you and charges at you and you shoot him dead okay well if that
00:43:19
was the case and it was in self-defense you called the police but you didn't do that you chain somebody up into a
00:43:26
storage container well and there's also some proof that he may have known uh one
00:43:31
or both of these victims before he saw them panhandling on the side of the road because later a uh some people that
00:43:39
worked at a Waffle House in the area they came forward and they were like you know Megan used to work here at this
00:43:45
Waffle House right and we knew Todd K he and what he was known for was he was a regular that would come into the waffle
00:43:52
house and he would harass the The Waitresses he would creep them out yeah and it it got to the point where the you
00:44:00
know how there's always like they always have the female waitresses working you know serving the tables taking the
00:44:06
orders and the Waffle House typically will have a guy standing there cooking you know he's the the cook right and
00:44:15
that's kind of the way they've always done things well because Todd creeped out these waitresses so much the cook
00:44:21
when Todd would come in he would stop cooking and he would go over and interact with Todd and he would take the
00:44:27
orders so the waitresses didn't even have to talk to this guy well good for the cooks you know good job
00:44:33
Creo well so now he's confessed to three murders right right well at some point his mother Todd's mother tells the
00:44:44
police and investigators that they might want to ask Todd about the super bike murders yeah the most popular case in
00:44:52
state's history well and you know we said that that Todd had his demands for the police that he was only going to
00:44:59
talk to them if they agreed to certain things and I'm sure a lot of people get angry when they hear that investigators
00:45:06
agreed to to those right right but the thing is is at that time they had already spoken to his mother they
00:45:13
already had suspicions that he might be responsible for the super bike murders okay they told him we will agree to
00:45:22
these if you talk to us about super bike they Tod says no I I will talk to you about that but not until after I get to
00:45:31
do a b and c okay that's why they agreed to that but they did not agree to it until he gave them a little something
00:45:40
more right right right they say you need to tell us something that only the killer would actually know what did he
00:45:49
say he described the two types of ammo that were used in The Killing he actually described the weight and the
00:45:57
grain of the bullets that were used really and it wasn't until later that he would tell them the full
00:46:03
story but the full story goes like this Todd Kap told the investigators that he had actually bought a motorcycle from
00:46:11
Superbike in April of 2003 14 days later the bike would be stolen from his apartment he filed a police report with
00:46:21
the local police there just days before the theft coap stated that he had actually gone back to the super bike
00:46:30
store and asked if he could return the bike because he couldn't write it m coab states that when he was there that the
00:46:37
workers laughed at him yeah then he's going to state to police that he thinks it's odd that he went back to try to get
00:46:45
to return the bike and then a couple days later the bike is stolen so now he believes that the store stole the bike
00:46:54
yeah they stole the bike and they laughed at him because he couldn't write it cab said that for the next few months
00:47:00
he returned to the store several times and during these visits he would test out Different Bikes he said he was
00:47:07
looking for a beginner bike something that he thought he could handle nobody had ever trained him or taught him how
00:47:13
to ride a motorcycle right but on November 3rd 2003 colep drove to the chzn store after he had some classes at
00:47:25
uh green Tech where he went to school mhm during this visit he pretended to be a customer he was really wasting a lot
00:47:32
of time looking at different bikes one in particular a black Katana 600 now we know that Kelly cisk would see that
00:47:41
exchange between Todd Kap and the S the superbike owner Scott Ponder cisk left with his four-year-old
00:47:50
son and this is when Todd KP began his plan he told them that he wanted to purchase
00:47:58
the bike and so the katana bike traveled to the back of the shop to be prepped to
00:48:04
leave the store during this time Todd went to the back of the shop as well and this is where he shot Chris sherbet
00:48:12
twice mhm once determining that the man was dead he pushed through the bfold doors with his knuckles like with his
00:48:21
fist so he wouldn't be leaving any fingerprints mhm Todd then encountered Beverly guy and he said this was a
00:48:29
non-intended Target he didn't even know that she was there at the store but he then then shot her and he would end up
00:48:36
shooting Brian Lucas and Scott Ponder as they were running out the front door he
00:48:42
said at that point then he went up and he fired a kill shot in each of their heads he also told the
00:48:51
investigators that no prints were found on the shell casings in the shop because
00:48:56
he wore two pairs of gloves when loading his Firearms even when he was practicing
00:49:02
some other things that Todd kohab told the investigators during his interviews he stated that he was not a terrorist
00:49:09
that he would never do anything against the interest of the United States stating that he loved his country he
00:49:15
told the police that he would never kill an officer he would never kill children
00:49:19
or the elderly coap said that he didn't think this is this is weird right so he didn't think that Caleb Brown deserved
00:49:28
to receive the $25,000 Superbike murder case reward that he in fact deserved to receive the
00:49:38
money because he was the one that confessed to it and told them how it went down right so yeah that's what they
00:49:45
do they give the money to the person that killed the people that's what they do Todd they also figured out that coap
00:49:52
actually received a letter from the police they when they were still working the superbike murder case coap received
00:50:00
a letter from them in 2013 because he was listed in a customer log because he did buy that bike in April right you
00:50:07
know many months before this thing went down so he never really outwardly States
00:50:14
a motive for the quadruple homicide but it's clear he was very angry with them right and we also see this pattern of
00:50:22
anger and anger towards other people dating back to his very early childhood days where he can't handle anger he
00:50:30
can't handle people and when he thought that they stole his bike from him and that they were laughing at him and
00:50:36
making fun of him he decided the best way to handle this is to drive in there and shoot every person in the store that
00:50:45
worked there yeah and the sad thing though is it might not have been that premeditated it could have been as
00:50:52
simple as hey you know what I've taken a couple lessons now I think I could ride
00:50:57
a bike let me have this bike they take the bike they put it on you know the lift to work on it mhm and he he's back
00:51:05
there and uh he's talking about how well I had a bike before and it was stolen and the guy's like oh you're the guy
00:51:11
that couldn't ride the bike right you know it could have just been one little off-handed remark that just made him
00:51:17
snap I think the thing that that led his mother to believe that he might be responsible for the super bike murders
00:51:25
and to talk to police about it she states that you know after she figured out that her son was capable of killing
00:51:32
people after they found that woman on his property that she recalled that 13 years ago when this thing had went down
00:51:40
Todd was especially nervous he seemed off and he seemed weird and he even made the comment to her a couple times that
00:51:48
he's I'm never even going to drive by that store again right obviously he doesn't want to be seen because he does
00:51:54
match the description that was given by that last customer that was in the store
00:51:59
I want to do a couple of follow-up things here on this case before we shut down for the day Captain there's there's
00:52:06
some interesting things that are still going on with Todd's case to this day now he would ultimately end up playing
00:52:13
guilty to seven counts of murder and one count of kidnapping he is currently serving a seven uh seven life sentences
00:52:24
in State Prison in South Carolina plus additional time for the kidnapping he's never going to get out and he pled
00:52:31
guilty to this just to save his own butt so he wouldn't get the death penalty right now there are some people there
00:52:38
the victim's families are a little upset with the current situation they believe
00:52:44
that uh Todd is either receiving special treatment maybe special's not the right
00:52:49
word but they're receiving he's receiving treatment that they don't agree with apparently Todd has wrote
00:52:56
some letters and made some drawings and things that have worked their way to the
00:53:00
outside and then have been sold on his behalf I don't know if the money ended up going to Todd but rightfully so the
00:53:09
victim's families are very upset with this right you know he should not have the opportunity to make any money at all
00:53:15
while he's behind you know Prison Walls yeah and furthermore they are upset that
00:53:21
he's not currently in the general population of this prison that he's being held uh most of these guys get
00:53:32
some type of solitary confinement where you they're by themselves in a Cell by themselves for most of the day every day
00:53:39
and one would argue that that in in a way is a form of increased punishment yeah but I think the what the family is
00:53:46
saying is look we would prefer that he's out in genp and whatever whatever those
00:53:51
guys want to do with him let it be right because a lot a lot of times you take like a pedophile or something they get
00:53:59
theirs in prison but also sometimes you know he's uh Todd is a murderer but he's
00:54:05
also a rapist and and sometimes guys on the inside hear about that and they um you know Karma becomes a [ __ ] well and
00:54:14
he also I think Todd kind of fancies himself a bit of a celebrity amongst the other prisoners which might play itself
00:54:21
out in a bad way for Todd right so we have let's move from general population inside the prison to General Public
00:54:30
outside the prison system there's a lot of people in the general public that are
00:54:34
kind of upset about this case because Todd has continually told investigators that he's guilty of more murders but he
00:54:43
states that they're not willing to talk to me about it I keep telling them that I've killed more people they don't seem
00:54:49
to care they don't want any details so we have people in our general public that are kind of saying why wouldn't
00:54:55
they be interested why don't they want to work these cases is it just cuz he's locked up for good that they don't care
00:55:00
anymore right but we also have Todd on record lying about other things so is it possible he's just lying about this my
00:55:07
guess is that you are absolutely right captain that he they're they've probably checked up on his whereabouts MH and
00:55:14
they're probably not finding any cases that match his cases that that his known victims I bet you they've done quite a
00:55:23
bit of work on this we know that they looked at him for that bank robbery for the for the killings at the bank they've
00:55:30
never confirmed who actually pulled that off yeah but they did look at him for that I think here's where I think we
00:55:38
should direct our attention rather than this claim that there's all these other victims and that the police don't want
00:55:44
to work the case this is where my anger lies and it kind of lies within the system itself and because of horrible
00:55:54
the horrible traged that took place in Florida not too long ago the big talk right now that everybody's talking about
00:56:00
is gun laws gun control should we have guns should we not have guns should we have this should we not have that right
00:56:07
what the problem I have here is with this specific case and where it comes down to gun laws and gun rules and how
00:56:16
we should conduct ourselves we have a guy that committed a violent crime even though he was a child
00:56:24
he was 15 years old M he committed a violent gun related crime where he raped another girl he raped a girl that was
00:56:32
under the age of 18 mhm he was convicted of this he was a felon right using a gun
00:56:40
he goes to another state and ultimately somehow illegally acquires other firearms that he uses to kill to kill
00:56:50
these victims right what I want what where I want the investigation to continue is I
00:56:57
think we have rules for a reason we have laws for a reason there is no reason why
00:57:03
a man like Todd Kap should ever have a gun and I think when you sell illegally sell guns to people there should be
00:57:13
something that happens retroactively if they end up find tracing that gun to a crime where the gun exchanged hands
00:57:20
illegally they do have those laws they do have them do how often do we hear somebody being convicted of such right
00:57:28
let's find these people that he purchased these guns from and let's punish them or you go back to the idea that you
00:57:37
know you know what we it it's sad to me that somebody could take somebody by gunpoint and rape them and only get 15
00:57:47
years M like give them 30 years you know give give them 40 years you know I I I don't know I think that's I agree with
00:57:57
you on the gun law thing but I think also uh people should get more time for these hanous crimes I agree 100% but I
00:58:05
but I also think that before we just start before we start discussing other things with guns we need to start
00:58:12
agreeing that we are going to hold people to the laws that we've currently created we can't create more laws and
00:58:19
uphold them if we're not upholding the the ones that we currently have right it would be a good starting point my
00:58:25
opinion I do think it's very possible that at some point later in the future that they're going to hold him
00:58:30
responsible for another crime um just because I mean you have again a mass shooting and then you have two other
00:58:38
cases that are very similar with you know basically killing the boyfriend and then kidnapping the girlfriend uh but
00:58:46
there could just be a singular person out there um you know like he said he'd like to kill uh drug dealers and stuff
00:58:54
like that M there might be another case later that they able to charge this guy [Music]
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