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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime hey beautiful I won't be able to
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get to the Villa Farms to get that basket for Papa being you we get this message and go on out there I'll see you
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in a bit sweetie love you [Music] bye did you ever hit her did you ever injure her no no my God no
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um violence towards women and is unapproachable it is the most disgusting act to me um and I know that
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uh suspicion has turned me and it's um it's turned to me one because I'm her husband and that's a natural thing and
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um I I was answered your question because this is suspicion that that's been turned to me and it turned to me
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because of the inner propriate romantic um that I had with Amber Fred and yes he
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confirmed he did have the affair why were you doing it I I can't answer I don't know that's a a question you should have
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an answer to definitely I I don't know but you in love with her no I'd have to say that I respect
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her and as I imagine everyone does after seeing her come out and do the press conference an amazing character she had
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was this the first time are there others out there no there's no one else who can
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come forward no you know our romantic relationship and that is a it it's inappropriate it it was inappropriate
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and I owe mendous apology to everyone obviously including Amber and her family and her
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friends and and our families should have been it should have been brought forth by me immediately the the Romantic
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relationship had you told anyone did you tell police told the police immediately
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when that was uh the first night we're together the police I spent um with the police you told them about her yeah from
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December 24th on did your wife find out about it I told my wife when um early December did it cause a rupture in the
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marriage it was not um a positive obviously it's a you know inappropriate um but it was
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not something that we weren't um dealing with a lot of arguing no no um I I you know I can't say
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that that even you know she was okay with the idea but uh it wasn't anything that
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would break us apart there wasn't a lot of anger no do you really expect people to
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believe that an eight and a half Monon pregnant woman learns her husband has had an affair and is saintly and Casual
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about it accommodating makes a peace with it well I yeah I you don't know no one
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knows our relationship but us um and that's at peace with it not happy about it why did you tell
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her it was the right thing there's no other reason than that and did you see her again after you
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told Lacy yes you saw Amber again I did but didn't tell her didn't tell Lacy didn't tell Amber no
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no no yeah that was definitely not the right thing because again you know that people sitting at home have
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imagine that either you were in love with someone else therefore you decided to get rid of this entanglement namely
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your wife and your child or there was just an angry confrontation [Music] Modesto California is a beautiful city
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the weather and the proximity to the ocean make it a great place to live a great place to raise a family and grow
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old violent crime is very low in Modesto but keep your vehicle parked in the garage if you can as modest esto has one
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of the highest percentages of vehicle thefts in our nation Lacy Denise Roa was born in
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1975 the daughter of Sharon and Dennis Lacy grew up in Modesto her parents split up when she was very young and her
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mother went on to remarry her stepfather was a Dairy Farmer so Lacy was raised on
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a farm now she had an older brother Brent and a younger Half Sister Amy Lacy was a cheerleader in high school and
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majored in horiculture at California poly Tech Institute in St Louis abiso Scott Lee Peterson was born in 1972 in
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San Diego California to Lee Arthur Peterson a businessman who owned a crate packaging company and Jackie Helen laam
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who owned a boutique called the put on Lee and Jackie had six children from previous relationships Scott was their
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only child together oh almost like the Brady punch now Scott took to playing golf at an early age a result of time
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spent with his father by age 14 he could beat his father in a round of golf for a
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time he had dreams of becoming a professional golfer like Phil mikkelson who was his teammate at the University
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of San Diego High School by the end of high school he was one of the top Junior golfers in San Diego and in 1990
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Peterson enrolled at Arizona State University where melson had also enrolled on a partial golf scholarship
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Michelson would go on to become a very highly successful PGA golfer and later Lee Peterson would state that his son
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was discouraged by the considerable competition that mikkelson presented at Arizona State So eventually Scott
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Peterson would transfer out of Arizona State and he found his way to California Polytech State University where as
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stated Lacy was attending school he initially planned a major in international business but changed his
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major to agricultural business professors who toau Scott described him as a model student and his agrs
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Professor Jim Ahern commented I wouldn't mind having a class full of Scott Petersons so Scott and Lacy met while
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they were both attending Cal Paulie Scott was working as a waiter at the Pacific Cafe Scott took Lacy's order and
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she was so attracted to him that she asked a friend to give Peterson her phone number they began dating and on
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their first date they went deep sea fishing in which Lacy got seasick well that should have been a sign to her the
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couple dated for 2 years and eventually moved in together now in 1997 after Lacy
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graduated they married at Sycamore Mineral Springs Resort Scott would have to stay in college and finish his senior
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year meanwhile Lacy took a job after Scott graduated the Petersons opened up a sports bar called the shack the
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business was initially slow but eventually improved especially on weekends the Petersons later sold the
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shack in 2000 when they moved to Lacy's hometown of Modesto to start their family in October of 2000 they purchased
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a three-bedroom home for $177,000 on Cina Avenue in an upscale neighborhood near Loma Park Lacy started
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working part-time as a substitute teacher Scott got a job at trade Corp USA a newly founded subsidiary of a
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Spanish fertilizer Company the company was trying to establish a customer base in the US and hired Scott as their West
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Coast representative mhm working on a salary plus commission base Peterson sold fertilizer irrigation systems
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chemical nutrients and related products to big farms and flower Growers primarily in California Arizona and New
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Mexico Lacy she worked enthusiastically at being the perfect housewife enjoying cooking and entertaining their friends
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in 2002 she was excited when she found out she was pregnant the baby was due February 10th
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2003 now on December 24th 2002 it's Christmas Eve and Lacy was 8 months pregnant with the couple's first child
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whom they had already named Connor the nursery was ready for the baby painted blue and decorated with a nautical theme
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according to Scott he and Lacy woke together at their home in Modesto California after eating breakfast and
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watching some TV Scott was going to spend part of the day fishing he left the house at 9:30 a.m. just before
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leaving Scott was seen in the driveway loading umbrellas into his truck mhm like the outside umbrellas he had three
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of them and he was going to take them to his Warehouse he had a warehouse that he
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would work out of and we know it was him because it was the next door neighbor that saw him and they exchanged a quick
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wave hello mhm Lacy told him she was going to mop the floor take the dog for a walk you know do some normal household
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things yeah they have a party a family party they're going to attend to later that day now Scott first drove to his
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nearby Warehouse to send emails and retrieve his boat mhm so this Warehouse is where he worked out of and Not only
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would he read some and send some emails but he also assembled something for work
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yeah it was a saw after he hooks up the boat in the trailer to his truck he's going to head out to Berkeley Marina
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which is about 86 miles away Scott goes fishing for about 90 minutes then at 2:17 p.m. Scott left this voicemail on
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Lacy's cell phone hi beautiful I just left you a message at home 25 I'm leaving Berkeley I won't be able to get
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to Villa Farms to get the basket for Papa I was hoping you would get this message and go out there I'll see you in
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a little bit sweetie I love you bye Scott returned his boat to the warehouse he did stop off for gas and then he went
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home to an empty house and he showered he says he got home around or about 4:30 Scott noticed Lacy's vehicle still at
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the house as well as her purse and car keys Scott did some laundry wash in the clothes he wore that day as they were
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dirty from working and fishing about an hour passes and Scott said that he just assumed Lacy went to her mother's house
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that the Mother-in-law would come by and picked her up so he calls his mother-in-laws asking and looking for
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his wife she says he's not there and then a half an hour later Lacy Lacy's stepfather called 911 to report that
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Lacy was missing of course we should say that the neighbor f found their dog the
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Peterson's dog still wearing a leash and wandering in front of the house by itself uh there's conflicting reports on
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what I could find as to an exact time of what time the neighbor believes they found the dog but what I have is that it
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was in the 11:00 I'm sorry 10:00 to 11:00 hour yeah a lot of people suspect based on her uh receipts and errands
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that she ran that day it would have been about 1018 the police were acting on this call this missing person's call
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immediately and Scott first met Modesto Police on the day that Lacy went missing
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at a nearby park where he was there supposedly looking for Lacy uh this was a park where she was known to have
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walked the dog and as Lacy's husband Scott was immediately on the police's Radar Now police gave Scott
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opportunities to be forthcoming with information and and Scott was Cooperative at least in the beginning
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Scott allowed them to search their home this was very quickly after Lacy was reported missing right the authorities
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also searched Peterson's pickup truck toolbox warehouse and boat now Scott answered their questions I guess the
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best that he could police noted Scott's strange Behavior such as how he couldn't
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remember the kind of bait he was using when he was supposedly out there fishing that morning right nor did he know what
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kind of fish he was fishing for so well on top of that his boat is made for fresh water and he was in the San
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Francisco Bay which is saltwater so I think a little explanation is needed here um we have this this man Scott
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Peterson who says that on Christmas Eve rather than spending the day with my wife who's expecting our child I decided
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to go out fishing now we can't we're not going to crucify anybody for that okay maybe that was man maybe that was
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something that was agreed upon between the two of them and uh he was eager to try out this boat or to be out on the
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boat and fishing the thing that's strange here though for me Captain is he's out by himself and again he doesn't
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know what kind of bait he's using he doesn't know what kind of fish he's fishing for um well on on top of that
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you have a boat that is again made for fresh water and you're in saltwater and it's also a
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9t Long Boat I believe and and it's not that type of boat is not commonly used in that type of water not not just the
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salt water but in the conditions that the San Francisco Bay is normally in it's not meant for that and it's not
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like you said it's not a very big boat and the other thing too I remember when news of this story broke I just assumed
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that Scott was a Avid fisherman and it turns out that he's he's not he he doesn't you know he's not a weekend
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warrior that goes out all the time no but he he did fish in his past and that that was something people did know that
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he has done right right but like I said my expectations when the when the news broke was I was like oh well this guy
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probably goes out all fishing all the time they're calling this into question and maybe it shouldn't be called into
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question the guy didn't didn't know what kind of fish he was fishing for in that
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area nor what bait to use during that particular trip but what he could offer up was uh proof that he was on his boat
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and he that he went to the Berkeley Marina and evidence of such was a launch ticket receipt from the marina right
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because you have to put your boat into the water and so when you when you go to do that you have to get a launch ticket
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now what's important in this story is to know what is said and it's the little details so let's just stay with on
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December 24th the call is made to the mother and father-in-law Scott's going to call his mother and father-in-law
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they're the ones that that are going to call 911 saying hey our daughter's missing she's been missing since roughly
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930 our son-in-law went golfing mhm okay they didn't say he went fishing he says
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he went fishing they say he went golfing mhm Scott then goes next door and start
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knocking on the neighbors asking if anybody's seen Lacy nobody has seen her he goes to the park this is when he
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meets up with the police officers they take him downtown now normally in a missing person case when they're talking
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to the husband they don't record the initial interview but for whatever reason that day the police decided we're
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going to um record this in that they ask him is there any problems with the marriage he says absolutely none they
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say say do you mind taking a polygraph the following day on Christmas he says no problem at all I will take one right
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and we also know that they searched the Peterson house that day as well yeah so let's go through that a little bit in
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better detail so there are a lot of reports out there I lead into that Captain but I say
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there are a lot of reports out there there's like a million different stories you know online newspaper this was huge
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news it's not even just fair to say big news this was this was known in other countries um and followed by people in
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other countries well and a lot of thatc is because there's a normally a very slow news cycle around the holidays and
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so when this broke when this story broke a lot of reporters were thinking hey this is this is our next OJ this is our
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next John Benet Ramsey case well and the thing here too is in some of those reports actually in a good amount of
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those reports that I read says Peterson reported his wife as missing Peterson reported Lacy missing and we you and I
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know that not to be true now that may not mean anything in the grand scheme of things but just so we're clear he's not
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the one that called police it was in fact his father-in-law which again I think you can't look into too much
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because hey uh I'm a little nervous let's call the cops and Scott says okay well I'll go next door and start
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knocking on the doors and the other thing too is where and even I said it this way uh Scott met the officers at
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the park where Lacy typically would walk the dog my understanding of it is that his father-in-law Lacy's stepfather
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insisted that they send an officer over to that area to that neighborhood to ask
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Scott for the details so I don't know I can't say say 100% if Scott willingly knew he was meeting the police officer
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or officers at the park or like you said he's out looking in the neighborhood for
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his wife and happens to come across the officer that was sent by The Stepfather who insisted that the officers go out
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there so basically the story that Scott is telling that we can there's some evidence that possibly he's telling the
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truth I mean he talks about uh what they did in the morning what he did when he got home so when he talks about like she
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was going to mop and when he got home he found the mop in the bucket so he dumps
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out the the bucket and uh puts the mop back in but he leaves it outside that's something that the police found at their
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home right uh they also find the bed is made they find the clothes that she supposedly was wearing the day before or
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in the hamper uh they find a bench that is out and you know hair tools to that's probably the worst way to call
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it hair tools I I saw one you put your hair tools away I saw one report that it was a curling iron other Reports say
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maybe it was uh curls curlers right gu you would say I also believe that he says you know I might ate a piece of
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pizza for breakfast but I ate one when I got home from fishing when I took a shower they find his clothes in the
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washer they find evidence that he did have pizza at some point so yeah the I guess a pizza box
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was found either on the counter or on the table right and then I believe he also explains to him I found the dog in
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the backyard with the leash on mhm so some of these things that he is stating parts of the story that he believes
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happened uh there's evidence of such yes and further Evidence would be that Scott
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shows the police his work computer at some some point and their law enforcement they saw the timestamped
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work emails yeah eventually they're going to go to his Work Warehouse the first time that they go to the Work
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Warehouse he claims that the power is out now maybe it was maybe it wasn't uh but they ended up opening up the there's
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a I I believe the way it works and they they say it's in a strip mall but I think it's more of a like one of these
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smaller Warehouse strips and so you have a a door that goes into your office and
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you then you have almost like a bay you have a a garage door that would come up yeah it it looks exactly like that that
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it's a big Warehouse that's separated into these smaller units that are rented out or it's some kind of storage
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facility you know some people work out of those self storage units the two big things here though that we can prove
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he's not lying about is the big actions of his day one he did go to work as he said and to he was definitely on his
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boat at some point that day and I believe that Marina ticket was for I think it was
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11:30ish uh that day and then they're guessing that he was on the boat for about about 90 minutes yeah the police
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checked the computers at the house as well now here is something interesting Scott said that he thought Lacy was
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doing some online shopping that morning the morning that she went missing and police check her computer and they are
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able to confirm that Lacy had in fact done some shopping uh that there was a purchase made on her computer and this
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would have been at like 8 to 8:30 that morning yeah and police also were told by Scott that Lacy was watching Martha
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Stewart when he had left the house yeah and he actually knew some of these details as well about about what they
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were talking about during the show now Captain two things that I want to point out one with the police response
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they immediately went into action and you talked about hey they usually don't you know sit people down to a conf you
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know formal interview and videotape the interview but as you were about to say we both believe that they went into an
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immediate response because this is an 8mon pregnant woman um and that's likely what drove them to go into this so
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quickly now regarding their interview with Scott Peterson and reporing this interview part of me has to wonder if
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you have her parents saying well he came back from golfing and noticed that his wife was not home and missing and he's
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telling police that he went out fishing well regardless of how that went down or
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how the parents came to believe that he was out golfing immediately that's a huge red flag this guy may not have been
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where he claimed to have been even if it's that he told somebody else he went golfing
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here is where things could get a little tricky okay because apparently there was
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a robbery at one of the Peterson's neighbors house now some of these reports say Christmas Eve but we have
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the police that would say the home across the street owned by Rudy and Suzanne Madina was robbed two days after
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Lacy disappeared there are several witnesses that would say the robbery happened and occurred on December 24th
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the day that Lacy went missing right now we also have a neighbor this is Diane Jackson who says she saw three
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suspicious looking men at the madina's house police later arrested two men in connection to the robbery yeah some have
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suggested that the police should have treated the men as possible suspects and Lacy's and Connor's
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disappearance we also have sightings of Lacy after Scott left the house at 9:30 a.m. back to the guys that broke into
00:31:02
the house once they kind of knew that they were had right like we're going to get in trouble for breaking into this
00:31:09
house they both stated we had nothing to do with the pregnant girl MH we had nothing to do with that right because
00:31:17
they're seeing this on the news at this time and probably panicking even if it was in fact two days after one also
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could wonder why do we not know if it's the 24th 25th or 26th well the problem was that the people that lived in that
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house they left they went you know somewhere else for the holidays so they were gone for a few days so that's
00:31:41
another reason why there's discrepancy there regarding the sightings of lacy there were 11 witnesses that said that
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they saw Lacy on Christmas Eve morning some claiming to have seen her walking her dog now this is a bold statement and
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it doesn't actually seem so bold once you dive into it a bit because Captain 11 people coming forward saying we saw
00:32:06
this woman who goes missing after her husband left the house for the day and we saw her walking her dog that's 11
00:32:12
people right right I couldn't find 11 actual reports of people saying I saw Lacy Peterson walking her dog after 9:30
00:32:23
what reports I could find were things like this we have one report where a woman states that she saw a woman
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walking her dog who was involved in some kind of verbal altercation with some men
00:32:36
this woman decides not to report this not to offer any help but later reports that it's lacy Peterson walking her dog
00:32:45
in actuality she reports having seen a woman walking her dog right we also have reports that state a Woman matching that
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description and a dog matching that description were seen by people later that day so we don't have anybody
00:33:00
specifically that I could find now my caveat here is I did not find all 11 reports but at no point did I find
00:33:07
anybody stating naming her by name so I question a lot of these sightings and again we have discrepancy as to when a
00:33:16
home was broken into uh what day that could have taken place there's a lot going on at the holidays there's a lot
00:33:22
going on in this investigation there are people that not are not spoken to immediately
00:33:28
and sometimes we have a hard time getting things confused about dates and times well on top of that it's not like
00:33:34
she just walked the dog that day and that's the only day she's ever walked a dog she typically walked the dog every
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day so we also have police questioning Scott Peterson's Behavior things that he's doing things that he's not doing
00:33:48
yeah and why his face looks like a turtle I think we should talk about Scott's demeanor and the way that the
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police regard this is they State he looks extremely casual during the times we spoke with him during the questioning
00:34:02
and what they mean by that is at no point is he fists to the table saying let's get back out there and look for my
00:34:08
wife you know what are you doing to find my wife he's just sitting back very casually in his chair he's almost you
00:34:16
know he's not even leaning forward to uh be aggressive towards the officers anyway he's if you watch the the videos
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he's very relaxed and he seems like he almost seems tired yeah I mean well he did have a long day but on top of that
00:34:32
it's I think he's trying to be cooperative MH but I don't know I mean I I guess you're supposed to be yelling
00:34:39
and screaming at people to find your wife I don't know that you are I'm just kind of thinking how I think it would go
00:34:47
down if I were in that situation and yeah but I think that's where we get in trouble with some of these stuff as we
00:34:52
go oh what there there's a difference between somebody acting odd and somebody not acting the way you would act you
00:35:00
know I mean I agree but I still found his I find him to be acting strangely one and and this is not just me stating
00:35:10
this this is the police saying this as well we we didn't understand his behavior he was overly casual he also
00:35:18
didn't offer up where or what the police should and how they should prioritize their investigation you know where where
00:35:25
should we be looking for her Scott right uh is there anybody that we should be talking to does she have any you know he
00:35:31
doesn't have any information to offer them now Scott does in his defense as you stated earlier he does agree to take
00:35:38
a polygraph test apparently the way this goes down is next day he's going to take
00:35:43
it the next day yeah but I think I don't know that that's at his request or at the police's request but but the end
00:35:50
result is that he ends up calling them the next morning and says yeah I'm not coming in for that polygraph test right
00:35:56
now and at this point he gets a lawyer yes and and again I should be you know you're you're doing a good job of um
00:36:05
presenting the other side or trying to understand the other side and I do want to be clear here because I've said
00:36:12
plenty of times on this show that if I were in the situation I would not agree to a polygraph you have nothing to gain
00:36:20
in my opinion so I don't want it to sound like I'm fault faulting him you know where the police did very verbally
00:36:26
and publicly State hey look this guy won't even take a polygraph test well I think it's a little that's their words
00:36:31
yeah but I think I I think the difference is when you got a individual that's very calm answering your
00:36:37
questions you think he's being truthful yeah you say hey do you mind taking a polygraph he says absolutely not and
00:36:44
then the next day he says absolutely I'm not going to take one I changed my mind
00:36:49
I changed my mind and all by the way I'm going to get a lawyer so that's I mean again and
00:36:57
but some of his story just starts not lining up well I I think Captain what I see is a guy that uh he's a squirmer he
00:37:09
in any kind of verbal situation well if he needs to he I think he thinks he can squirm his way out of it yeah but
00:37:18
squirm I don't know if squirm is the right way because because he you know he's so fat Joe right lean back Lean
00:37:27
Back Lean Back that that when people ask him questions he takes his time you know what I mean and so by
00:37:37
doing that he he can get out of the answer he can he can just manipulate the the phrasing here and
00:37:47
there does that make any sense um I I see both I see a guy that that squirms his way out of answers and squirms his
00:37:55
way into new answers as well as somebody that that's not um no I get that part what I'm saying is he doesn't do it
00:38:03
super quickly it's not like he jumps on you know he's he tries to stay level the
00:38:08
whole time I mean yes is he switching answers here and there yes but he tries to stay level because he I think he
00:38:17
thinks in his head I'm smarter than these people I just stay cool and calm and I'll outsmart them I also think that
00:38:25
he didn't think he was going to have to answer so many questions or be under the microscope so right because
00:38:33
he established a alibi the other thing that I found to be a strange interaction was the police come back and yeah they
00:38:41
looked at the home and walked through the home and the way that I think that that went down that it was a rather
00:38:47
quick brief walk around yeah he did show them the home and rooms of that home the
00:38:52
night that she went missing or the you know the Christmas Eve right um they come back and we need to do a detailed
00:39:00
search we need to bring in forensics we need to do everything we can and we really need to search this home top to
00:39:07
bottom Scott Peterson right and he says to him well you know I can't allow you to do that without my lawyer present or
00:39:16
or without permission from my attorney and well actually what they did is they got a search
00:39:24
warrant and then when they went to a right right they set him up they set him up 100% And that's the thing they said
00:39:31
yeah Scott we don't need your permission here's our warrant we're going to be they just wanted to see his reaction
00:39:37
right they wanted to see if they would agree to search and he was pretty smug about saying n you know probably not
00:39:43
going to let you do that and they go well cool we don't need your uh permission anyways cuz we got a search
00:39:49
warrant you piece of [ __ ] well let's talk about this boat uh that Scott owned because I have found this boat is a
00:39:57
debate of great argument did Scott buy this boat and try to keep it a secret from Lacy and her family that's one
00:40:05
thought and then there are others that say no he did not um so what we do know is this the boat was purchased with cash
00:40:14
just a few weeks before Lacy went missing so Scott paid $1,400 for the boat the trailer and a bunch of pretty
00:40:21
good grade fishing equipment now the fishing equipment is interesting here because Scott actually looked at three
00:40:28
boats he considered purchasing one of these three boats right this boat from my understanding Captain is the only one
00:40:36
that included good fishing equipment or any fishing equipment at all and what what people would say about that is that
00:40:45
when given the option if you're buying a boat right with the intention of using it for the sole purpose of dumping a
00:40:52
body or getting rid of a body you might wanted to get the a bigger boat than this small boat it might be easier to do
00:41:01
that in the bigger boat but no he chose the small boat with fishing equipment or
00:41:06
you might want to have purchased the cheaper boat the cheapest boat that didn't include any fishing equipment
00:41:12
because you're just using you're not going to use it for fishing right but in the end he did buy the boat with the
00:41:18
fishing equipment some people point out that that shows some intention or what his intentions were for the use of
00:41:25
thatat that proves nothing well of course but we we're here to debate it right no no I'm that's not a debate that
00:41:34
proves nothing he bought a boat with cash that's all it proves there was some things added onto that boat a
00:41:42
trailer you know some fishing LS that doesn't show his intent for the boat at all the owner of the boat uh sold the
00:41:52
boat to Scott he was the one that requested that Scott pay him cash for the boat now the boat the uh I'm sorry
00:41:59
the cash was deducted from a joint bank account which he shared with Lacy now there's also stories that Lacy went to
00:42:09
the warehouse where the boat was stored when the boat was stored there yeah it was a a few days before she went missing
00:42:17
she had to use the restroom and I don't think these warehouses had their own restrooms uh that's what I'm guessing
00:42:23
because she had to have somebody that worked at the warehouse take her to the restroom that's how they have a
00:42:29
eyewitness that said hey we saw Lacy here a few days before she went missing right so people then claim if that's
00:42:39
true she knew about the boat again she may not even even gone into that particular Warehouse into the the unit
00:42:46
that the boat was stored right and he might never opened up the garage door she might never have seen the boat so
00:42:53
that is not proof that she knew there was a boat Scott purchased a registered boat rather
00:43:00
than one that was not registered people would state that that might be evidence that he wasn't trying to keep this boat
00:43:08
secret okay but nobody in the family knew about the boat right there's no person and and again you can speculate
00:43:17
that Lacy was at the warehouse so she knew about the boat or that he pulled money from their joint account and she
00:43:23
knew about the boat we have no proof there is no evidence that she knew of this boat correct there's only Scott
00:43:31
stating that she knew about the boat all right and again let's just let's just get this on the table throughout the
00:43:38
rest of the show we're going to show the million lies that he has told so just because he says anything I will not
00:43:45
believe it so again there is zero proof that Lacy Peterson knew about this boat that he was storing at uh his work
00:43:53
facility and here's the other thing too there's a chance that Lacy I don't know their financial situation but there's a
00:44:02
chance that she may not notice $1,400 missing from their joint account there's also a chance that he pulled out the
00:44:10
money and told her he had to use it for something else right this is a known liar on top of that she is um substitute
00:44:19
teacher they don't make that great of money I mean all teachers period are underpaid shout out to all the teachers
00:44:26
you're doing great work keep it up the captain approves so if he's making more money than her and again he has to pull
00:44:36
it out hey honey I needed to use it for this or honey I needed to use it for this I mean there is again there's zero
00:44:43
proof that she knew about this boat well and an obvious lie that he could tell her is he traveled for work you know and
00:44:51
there are expenses that come with that and he could say look I'm I haven't been reimbursed for these expenses yet or I
00:44:58
need to spend this money for work for this purpose and they are going to reimburse me soon right again he's but
00:45:04
he's a known liar who knows what lie he he he told her or could have told her Scott would later tell Lacy's mother
00:45:12
that Lacy knew about the boat and the reason why she and he kept the boat secret was because the boat was
00:45:20
purchased for a gift for Lacy's father yeah and it's Tech techically her her stepfather right but her parents got
00:45:29
split up so she was very young she was raised by this man yeah and so it was going to be a gift again I
00:45:39
think she could have told a friend or or or another family member about this this
00:45:45
present you'd think they would be she'd be so excited you know to keep a secret for a few weeks you know who knows well
00:45:53
that's that's interesting that you say that because because regardless if it was a gift or not this is not a boat
00:46:00
that she that Lacy discussed with anybody with any of her friends with any of her family and that's why I said
00:46:06
people have to keep in their mind that there is zero evidence there's zero proof that she knew about this boat I
00:46:12
actually think that had she known about the boat uh depending on how often she was hanging out with friends or family I
00:46:19
think it would have came up and and what I mean by that is we have a guy that's golfing a lot he also travel for work a
00:46:26
lot and they have a baby on the way I I would think whether it be husband or wife that they the person on the
00:46:35
receiving end of that is going well he golfs a lot he's away for work at times we got a baby on the way and now he just
00:46:42
bought a boat right right or or the fact that your babies do you know in a month
00:46:48
month and a half and and you're spending this extra money that we don't need to spend on a boat okay
00:46:56
yeah and her father her stepfather however you want to look at it he already had a boat and this guy was an
00:47:04
avid fisherman right he had a big nice fishing boat he didn't have this little boat that Scott Peterson had purchased
00:47:11
for $1,400 well again this is a [ __ ] story and this is why because if I you know bought a a boat for U my father
00:47:21
let's say I don't have that kind of cash but if I oh [ __ ] I would he doesn't deserve a boat but if I had the cash
00:47:29
right and I bought the boat I'm not testing out the boat I'm not oh well you know uh yeah I went on
00:47:40
my boat again you're telling a bunch of people you're telling law enforcement you're telling all these people you went
00:47:45
out on your boat but but then later you go well but it it's not really my boat we bought it for Lacy's father okay give
00:47:55
me a break it's one or the other right it's either your boat or it's his boat and if it's his boat you're not going to
00:48:01
take it out Christmas Eve that's that's kind of falling into the realm of what you would do compared to what you think
00:48:08
would be odd behavior and and as well as it's not proof that he right but what I
00:48:15
find odd behavior is calling it your boat then saying it was actually for somebody else okay that's what I find to
00:48:21
be odd behavior the FBI in the Modesto Police Department depart performed forensic searches of the Peterson home
00:48:29
the FBI also conducted mitochondrial DNA testing on a hair that was found in pliers on uh Peterson's fishing boat
00:48:39
that linked them to hairs recovered from Lacy's hairbrush right should we go into
00:48:44
detail about that cuz I don't think it's just that cut and dried is it because what we do know about these hairs or
00:48:53
this hair was they state that they belong some reports state that they belong to Lacy Peterson
00:49:00
right the truth of the matter is what they could prove was they didn't belong to Scott they're close enough is what
00:49:08
law enforcement said they the wording is they're consistent with hairs uh belonging to Lacy Peterson so they can't
00:49:16
rule her out but at the same token they probably could include a whole bunch of other people uh as not being able to
00:49:23
rule them out you're right and then the people on the other side will say hey this is uh the guy's wife he should have
00:49:32
hairs on him hairs of her uh on his shirt hairs of him or hairs of her in his car hairs of her on a boat which we
00:49:41
don't even know if she knew about or saw yes if you're married to somebody and you spend a bunch of time with them
00:49:49
you probably have some hairs of theirs on you right that doesn't mean you're going to find their hair in
00:49:56
pliers so I I think this is a damning piece of evidence but let's continue what the other thing that I thought was
00:50:04
interesting that they found in his Warehouse was the concrete there was a a wood area almost like a wood bench they
00:50:12
found a homemade anchor that he made for his boat and basically what you'd do is
00:50:18
you'd take um concrete mix put it in a little tub add the water stir that up and then you put either
00:50:28
like a hook or you take a piece of like rebar and you bend that and you put that
00:50:33
into the concrete and then once it dries you pull it out of the tub right the interesting thing is he did make one we
00:50:41
have evidence that he made one we see one in his boat odd thing about that though is there's no rope attached to it
00:50:48
so I don't know if you know how anchors work but you can't just drop you know this heavy piece of concrete if it's not
00:50:55
not tied to a rope so he had this anchor that there was no rope with and they believe that he made more than one based
00:51:07
off the extra residue and the extra uh concrete is a powder that they think possibly he made four to five
00:51:19
maybe more yeah it depends on who you talk to so some would say he made one and others would say like you said as
00:51:27
many as four or five we have proof he made one for sure right of course but the where where the higher numbers come from
00:51:38
is that on that workbench there were Rings there were additional Rings uh where it looked like somebody had made
00:51:45
four or five of these and then a ring had dried like a residue ring had dried on this workbench indicating that he was
00:51:53
drying as many as four or five at one time or after shortly after they had dried I've never made one of these
00:52:02
molds in a in a bucket or a pitcher or whatever they want to claim they were made in I I've made concrete molds
00:52:08
before but not a homemade anchor okay can you pull you don't pull it out until it's dried though right yeah I mean you
00:52:16
could do it when it's like semi-dried I mean that's probably the best way cuz sometimes you can use like let's say
00:52:23
you're using like a old Tupperware or like a a plastic bowl that like maybe butter comes in mhm then if it dries it
00:52:31
doesn't matter you're just going to break that that bowl off but if you're going to reuse that bowl you pull it you
00:52:37
know pull it out a little earlier and then if you set it down somewhere to dry it could very likely leave a ring where
00:52:43
it was resting yeah okay so under that situation that's what they claim that there was enough rings on this workbench
00:52:51
to indicate that he had made four or five of these homemade anchors right and I I think it's really important keep in
00:53:00
your head that there is one of the anchors that he made in his boat that is not attached to anything no
00:53:08
rope I just think that's a important piece of evidence right I I do too and I think that's interesting that you point
00:53:15
that out I was unaware that there was no rope connecting it to Something in the boat or and here's here's why it's
00:53:23
important because if it's not tied and it's not being used as an anchor it's being used as something else and that's
00:53:31
all you need to know all right next next piece so we should point out at this point that from the moment of Lacy's
00:53:39
disappearance the Roka family Lacy's mother stepfather and brother and half sister repeatedly spoke to the media in
00:53:48
a teary eyed manner uh viewers have come to expect from loved ones in crisis the
00:53:54
family publicly supported her husband and defended his innocence The public's view of Scott Peterson was a different
00:54:03
story now on December 31st 2002 the town of Modesto held a public vigil for Lacy
00:54:11
and Connor Scott declined to speak at the vigil but he was in attendance and so were photographers who captured him
00:54:19
in what some would claim were two damning photos and one picture Scott bends down alongside his niece to set
00:54:27
down a candle a big smile comes across his face in a second picture he is standing with some people and laughing
00:54:35
now this Behavior at the vigil for his missing wife and unborn child uh we see received to be bad AE by this guy some
00:54:45
explained that Scott Peterson's demeanor was simply aloofness uh we do know as we
00:54:52
pointed out everyone handles things differently and there is no guide book on how to behave when one's 8mon
00:54:59
pregnant wife goes missing yeah and the difficult thing here though too is if you're at a event for hours and hours
00:55:07
it's somebody that you you know somebody that you care about are they going to come up maybe they say hey I'm sorry
00:55:14
we're going to find her hug it out and then they say something silly trying to make you laugh trying to make you smile
00:55:21
so that is a possibility and you get one or two pictures it's not like you got 5,000 pictures of this guy just you know
00:55:27
making jokes all day right but quickly there was media scrutiny there was Nancy Grace and the public did start to turn
00:55:37
on Scott and this was thought because he wasn't sad enough or he wasn't panicked
00:55:44
enough and in the general public for the most part they just didn't believe him well he's also not being out in front of
00:55:53
the media he's not not doing interviews he's not doing the press conferences it's almost like he doesn't want to be
00:56:00
seen and there's a lot of other weird stuff I mean if if you H if you haven't seen Gone Girl it's a great fictional
00:56:07
story but if that is not based off of this then I don't know what it's based off of I mean I think I think she
00:56:18
basically took that story and took the Scott Peterson Lacy Peterson story and ran with it they have a search site set
00:56:26
up one of the things that he was doing that I find particularly odd is that they're putting up all these
00:56:33
pictures of lacy and anytime there's a picture put up of him and her he's taking it down and when they' catch him
00:56:42
taking it down he'd go it's just too hard to look at this you mean you mean that because he's
00:56:49
not in front of the media that statement what the Gone Girl statement well no the I think the whole story of
00:56:59
Scott Peterson Lac Peterson I think they I think uh Gillian Flynn I believe is her name I think she took the whole idea
00:57:07
of this story and turned it into a book I mean we have a but wasn't that a fake disappearance it well spoiler alerts
00:57:19
well I mean you're but you're claiming that you that that one may have been taken from the other but they're
00:57:25
different stories not not the first half of it so sorry I was just trying to get some
00:57:33
clarification as to if you read the first half of the book it's pretty much the Scott Peterson story right that's
00:57:39
what I was asking you mean him not being forthcoming with the media him not getting out in front of the
00:57:45
media right right well yeah part partly that I mean look I mean typically when there's a missing wife it's the husband
00:57:53
that's doing all the press conferences saying hey help me find my wife mhm I mean we see that time and time again in
00:58:00
this case he's not even there he's not even on stage like they're doing a press conference and he's like no no I don't
00:58:06
want to be on stage right anytime that they for for the first week or so they're only showing pictures of her
00:58:14
because because he's controlling them because he's not letting the media have pictures of him and her together mhm so
00:58:23
again there's no rule r on how you're supposed to act how how you're supposed to act but I find that a little strange
00:58:32
of course of course and later we would learn that Scott Peterson did something else during Lacy and Connor's vigil as
00:58:38
well uh he called his girlfriend uh and this is Amber fry is it fry or fry fry okay let's go back though because the
00:58:48
visual the vigil I screw that word up every time is how many days afterwards well she was
00:59:00
according to Scott she was alive in well the morning of the 24th and the vigil was held on New Year's Eve on the 31st
00:59:09
right now I think this is something that people glaze over a lot two days after she goes missing Scott
00:59:19
Peterson he orders porn mhm and I think the day after he ordered porn he orders porn multiple times I
00:59:27
don't think he I don't think there's a record of him ever ordering porn before yeah I'm not certain how this works or
00:59:35
what he did exactly the way the the reports that I read was that he purchased two channels so I don't know
00:59:42
if that's just something you pay for on a monthly basis and it's there give me the Channel all the time yeah like I
00:59:47
need it 247 it doesn't it it's very clear to me Captain that this wasn't like he ordered a movie and then the
00:59:54
movie is starts and it finishes and then he's you know that's it and that's all because he then later Weeks Later
01:00:01
cancelled these two channels right so this is that's like me getting the NFL Network at some point you have to call
01:00:07
back and cancel before it comes off your bill and off of your TV he wore himself
01:00:12
out because he wasn't going to the press conferences he wasn't out looking for his wife he was wearing himself out
01:00:18
playing a game of flicky flicky yeah but that by that point too I think it was public knowledge that he ordered those
01:00:25
channels and he's like well I should I probably yeah maybe I should get rid of get rid of these yeah because look your
01:00:32
wife is again there's no rules on how things work but your wife your pregnant wife months away from having your first
01:00:42
child she goes missing and you decide it's time to pull the Pud well it's time to pull out the old purple headed yogurt
01:00:53
Slinger I mean come on man this is that that would be the furthest thing from your
01:01:00
mind back to the Gone Girl thing comparison both of them had a girlfriend well the thing too is and I know we keep
01:01:10
we need to quit harping on this because I know there is no set rule of how to behave and act in this difficult
01:01:18
situation however I think it's a fair statement for us to say we can as reasonable adults sit back observe
01:01:28
what's going on and make an a personal judgment make a personal Judgment of yeah this seems a little weird yeah and
01:01:37
is it is it proof of anything no but I'm going to State this is it proof of anything no but I still think that it
01:01:51
goes in the category of evidence well of course and and It ultimately will when it comes to trial
01:01:58
okay let's introduce Amber fry here she's a massage therapist a single mom um she was introduced to Scott by a
01:02:06
friend this was in November of 2002 Yeah so basically how this goes down is that
01:02:12
Scott hits on the friend at a work conference and she was in a relationship so she says sorry Scott no thanks but I
01:02:22
have a friend you might like are you sure it went down that way cuz here's the way I think it went down I think
01:02:28
he's hitting on this woman that's in a relationship and his way of extending the offer is by saying hey I
01:02:37
know you know that I'm married but do you have any friends that I could meet I think that's his his casual way of being
01:02:44
slick and Sly and offering himself up to that woman no he didn't tell her he was
01:02:49
married okay he didn't tell this woman that he was hitting on that he was married no she didn't know no it
01:02:57
was I am trying to get with you and she's like yeah get me but you I have a friend I get that but I I I think
01:03:07
there's a chance she may have known no because why would you say hey buddy of mine Amber fry you're a single mom
01:03:16
working your butt off you know instead of going out and finding a a nice single man here's this guy I know that's
01:03:24
married right and and so the the way I heard it was he was hidden on this girl she said hey no I'm not really
01:03:32
interested you're not my type or whatever or she was in a relationship but she said hey I have a friend you
01:03:37
might like that that makes a lot of sense and I the reason I got confused here Captain was I know that at some
01:03:44
point Amber questions if Scott is in fact single he tells Amber he's single she questions it she goes to somebody
01:03:54
that knew the both of them I guess I just assumed it was her friend I don't think that it was cuz your logic makes
01:04:01
100% uh that's got to be right and she goes to somebody that they both know and says
01:04:08
hey I I have some suspicions here is Scott Peterson single and this person says you're going to need to talk to
01:04:17
Scott right right right and and I think the thing though too is when they first started hanging out she asked
01:04:26
him you know have you ever been married he says no he then later tells her that he was married in early December of 2002
01:04:38
the two are photographed together at a holiday party now according to Amber Scott told her he was not married uh and
01:04:46
I know we're kind of going through that now but his explanation was that he had been too busy with work for a wife
01:04:54
children or even a dog which is funny and and cruel on several levels because obviously Scott when saying this has a
01:05:04
wife has a child on the way and a dog which if I'm not wrong maybe I'm wrong on this but I believe the picture that
01:05:12
he's at this party with his mistress with his um girlfriend he takes a picture at a Christmas party and that
01:05:22
same night Lacy had a party that she attended alone okay so I mean like once that
01:05:32
comes out in the media he just even looks more like a dirt bag in uh December 30th this is after
01:05:41
seeing newspaper articles about Lacy Peterson's disappearance Amber fry called a tip line and told police she
01:05:48
was dating Scott Peterson and she immediately began working with the police to pull whatever useful
01:05:56
information she could out of her quote unquote boyfriend and secretly recording their calls all in all she
01:06:05
would ultimately record over 29 hours of phone calls with Scott Peterson yeah one
01:06:11
of the things that you hear in the Diane sorer interview is he slips of the tongue a couple times uh at the point of
01:06:21
the interview his wife is not found dead yet she is just missing mhm and he says that
01:06:29
Lacy was uh a kind person and then says is that's one of the slips the other slip
01:06:36
is he says um you know the fair is wrong was wrong that's how he corrects it and
01:06:44
the reason why I believe he said this is because even after she goes missing he's
01:06:49
still making contact on a daily basis sometimes two to three calls a day now to play devil as Advocate a lot of
01:06:57
people argue that well the cops wanted her to try to get him to maybe confess or something so they kind of push the
01:07:06
issue you know she is making calls to him but the majority of the calls that are happening the communication he is
01:07:14
the one making the contact right right and actually regardless of who's calling who I mean
01:07:21
the report I read said that there were 241 calls in the course of 93 days I think yeah and one of the things that
01:07:32
we kind of skipped over because we're now you know at around the time a couple days after uh lazy he is missing on
01:07:42
December 9th is around the time that he actually comes clean with Amber and States hey yeah I did lie to you about
01:07:51
something I need to tell you about something and she goes well what is it well I was
01:07:58
married not married anymore implying that he's not married anymore but he was married and then she never really asked
01:08:06
much about it because he says that he lost his wife uh and then from December 9th to
01:08:15
December 24th it's going to come out that he lost his wife just before Christmas and this is going to be the
01:08:25
first holiday that he spends alone the first Christmas season without his wife and I wonder Captain if that was
01:08:32
triggered by that conversation she had with her friend hey I wonder Scott is he telling the truth is he actually married
01:08:40
and that friend says hey you need to talk to Scott about that that triggers that conversation and here again in my
01:08:46
opinion I I I see a guy kind of squirming his way out of it and saying well here's where the confusion comes in
01:08:53
I was married yeah and I the you know we've been studying this case all week and mainly because you know the last
01:09:04
case the staircase the Michael Peterson case highly requested by listeners Scott
01:09:10
Peterson more so requested by listeners and we decided hey Be Clever let's put them back to back but never watched The
01:09:18
Simpsons right but this episode this last week I'm I was watching football then it turns into the Simpsons I'm kind
01:09:26
of cleaning up my family room and then I'm watching The Simpsons and it's all about how Bart told a lie and Lisa comes
01:09:33
in there and says Bart it's not the first lie that gets you it's the lies that you have to
01:09:40
tell to cover up the first one and I just thought that's so fitting that we're covering the Scott Pearson case
01:09:47
this week because it's the initial lie of saying I'm not married I don't have kids I
01:09:55
don't have a dog turns into well now you think I'm married so now I have to cover
01:10:02
that up I was married a lot of people will also state that these statements on December 9th from him saying hey my wife
01:10:11
went missing you know before Christmas that this is actually evidence of premeditation yeah some kind of
01:10:20
confession of future events that are going to take Place mhm the interesting thing to me though is it's it's December
01:10:27
30th and Amber fry comes out she contacts police says hey I'm dating Scott Peterson and then it's the next
01:10:34
day the next day where Scott Peterson tells Amber he's ringing in the new year in Paris with friends when he's actually
01:10:43
at Lacy Peterson's vigil right so at that vigil we have the Press taking a couple pictures of him smiling and and
01:10:53
saying oh oh well this is damning evidence again I don't think that's evidence of anything because he could
01:10:58
have been somber the whole time what the damning piece of evidence is is you're at a visual for your
01:11:07
pregnant wife missing and you call your girlfriend and tell her that you're at the Eiffel Tower celebrating with
01:11:15
friends and oh man ringing in the new year I mean to me that's evidence well and we have to keep in mind too
01:11:24
that Scott Peterson and Lacy's family neither of them know that the police are aware of Scott's Affair or that Amber
01:11:32
was recording their phone calls which is another lie that he says in the uh Diane
01:11:37
Sawyer interview he states that he told the police December 24th right away about the affair and that was a lie then
01:11:46
in mid January 2003 police learned that the national inquire had its in its possession a photo of Amber and Scott
01:11:56
and they intended to publish it right so let's just break this down real quick cuz one right when they hear that Scott
01:12:04
Peterson has a girlfriend and this is coming from the guy that was like right away I thought something's fishy with
01:12:10
Scott something's not checking out they go and start taping tape recording his phone conversations through like a
01:12:17
little device that they got at Radio Shack and I think it's working they're getting a lot of Falls he's stating some
01:12:25
weird stuff we're getting some information out of Scott maybe this is going to be the Smoking Gun that we need
01:12:33
and then they get railed by the media to go oh well we now need to be in front of
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this so they actually decide to hold a press conference I believe well and you can hear on those tapes and I'm not
01:12:48
going to have claimed to listen to All 29 hours of those tapes you can find find a good amount of them online I've
01:12:56
even read somewhere that you could find all of it um but one thing I did notice in some of those interactions between
01:13:04
Amber and Scott you can hear she's questioning him of well so what happened where are they right you know and like
01:13:13
you said this might have been their best opportunity to get a confession from Scott Peterson or the tips and clues
01:13:20
that they needed to at least find them yeah and I think she also brings up the fact that the now to play Devil's
01:13:29
Advocate they only hung out a handful of times but that doesn't make the fair less you know wrong but they they did
01:13:39
only hang out a few times right um but they had a lot of phone calls uh long calls sometimes an hour long sometimes
01:13:47
longer than an hour and they actually discuss kids and Scott stated multiple times nah I just don't want kids yeah
01:13:57
you have a kid and that's cool and she seems fine but I'm you know I wouldn't want to have
01:14:05
anymore on January 23rd this is when Lacy Peterson's family says Scott Peterson told authorities he had been
01:14:13
involved with another woman and on January 24th amber revealed herself at a press conference and confessed that
01:14:21
Scott Peterson had told her he was single Lacy's family turned on Scott and so too did the small army of volunteers
01:14:29
who had been looking for Lacy well right and the he claims that he actually followed another missing uh mother with
01:14:40
a child case mhm and one of the things that he claims is he never he didn't want to bring this up because he stated
01:14:48
that in this other case that once that they they found out that the husband had affair they stopped looking for the
01:14:56
missing woman and then they just assumed that she was murdered and that that's what Scott Peterson said he was afraid
01:15:03
of is that once this came out in the media that this would um get people to stop searching for her and he was right
01:15:12
on some level because this about around this time the search teams and the the volunteer uh headquarters that they had
01:15:20
put up kind of disbanded right well and a big part of that though too is those volunteers they're not
01:15:30
interested in looking anymore they think theyve we know who did this it's a matter of Peterson telling us what
01:15:37
happened and where is Lacy where are they in late January 2003 Scott Peterson's Good Morning America
01:15:46
interview with Diane Sawyer went so terribly bad that it calcified the public hatred against him I mean they
01:15:55
said he's the most hated man in the world yeah yeah yeah the very least America for one thing he lied to Sawyer
01:16:02
when he said that he had told police about the affair as you've pointed out uh and stating that he did that the day
01:16:09
Lacy went missing he had stated that uh his marriage was fine when obviously we now know that he's having an affair he
01:16:17
tells Sawyer marriage was fine for him that Lacy knew about his affair with Amber and she was quote okay with it
01:16:26
unquote a statement that just about threw Nancy Grace into a fit I want to point out something here that Nancy
01:16:34
Grace is actually awesome to listen to when she's talking about Scott Peterson well no I want to point out
01:16:42
some of his words and actions again that I find to be difficult to sit through and difficult to agree with let's think
01:16:51
about this just for a second using his words as you stated we'll point out a million times that this guy's a liar we
01:16:59
now know obviously that a lot of these statements are not true but let's say that we're in the let's say We're In the
01:17:05
Heat of the Moment we're going to give him the benefit of the doubt and we're going to listen to his words and we're
01:17:09
going to take that into account and come up with a conclusion okay his statement is
01:17:15
that I told police about the affair immediately my wife knew about the affair and she was quote unquote okay
01:17:24
with it he also tells Diane Sawyer that he was not in love with Amber fry and that he Des had nothing to do with The
01:17:32
Disappearance of his wife soon toe mother and was desperately looking for her if all of those things were
01:17:41
true if all of those things were true MH why at any point didn't you say to Amber
01:17:48
fry I cannot spend time with you I cannot talk to you on the phone or or or at the very least say I can spend time
01:17:56
with you and I can talk to you on the phone but by the way my wife is missing right she's missing well he does state
01:18:03
that she's missing at some point once they once I mean at some point Amber does confront him and say hey I know
01:18:10
you're lying no no no I I know that but what I'm talking about is on December 24th December 25th December 26th right
01:18:18
27th so on and so forth he had multiple days before she started working with the
01:18:23
police and he claims all of this stuff to be true factual in his opinion I told the police about theair the affair my
01:18:31
wife was fine with the affair I had nothing to do with The Disappearance of lacy I did not love the woman I'm having
01:18:38
an affair with but I loved my wife and I desperately want to find her if all those things were true any man any woman
01:18:45
with their spouse missing would have said to the other individual before she had to find out by seeing his picture in
01:18:51
a newspaper well what you're saying makes a ton of sense and the reason why is cuz it's going to be harder for you
01:18:57
to come out and tell your wife hey I'm having an affair it's going to be hard for you to come out and tell the cops
01:19:03
hey my wife's missing but [ __ ] by the way I'm a piece of [ __ ] dude and I'm having an affair right M that's that's
01:19:10
difficult what's not that difficult is telling the person that you had affair with hey my wife's missing I told the
01:19:16
cops about you and I I already told my wife about you so I think your point is very valid
01:19:22
I think that's um that's something I haven't even thought of blowing my mind what people found most damning about the
01:19:29
interview was Scott referred to his missing wife in the past tense saying Lacy was
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