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as the hounds of zarof is a short story by Richard Connell the fictional work was first published in January of
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1924 the story features a big game hunter from New York City Who falls off a yacht and swims to what seems to be an
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abandoned and isolated island in the Caribbean where he is hunted by a Russian Aristocrat the general plot of
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the most dangerous game is one that has been adapted many times over the years the story is inspired by big game
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hunting safaris in Africa and South America that were particularly fashionable among wealthy Americans in
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the 1920s the most dangerous game has been called the most popular short story ever written in English upon its
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publication it won the Oh Henry award here in the garage we do our best to Advocate and fight for the victims of
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True Crime but as embarrassing as it is sometimes the raw are the villains the villain of the most dangerous game is a
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big game hunter General zarof who's been hunting animals since he was a boy he has decided that killing big game has
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become boring so he moves to an island and sets it up to trick ships into wrecking themselves on the jagged rocks
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that surround it he takes the survivors captive and hunts them for sport zorov gives them food a knif and a three-hour
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Head Start and then hunts them down with a small caliber pistol any captives who elude zarof his
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servant and a pack of hunting dogs for 3 days will be set free unfortunately for
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many of the stranded Sailors that find themselves on the island zarof proves to be an incredibly successful Hunter the
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once Big Game Hunter General zarof turns serial killer as he hunts the most dangerous animal of them all man he
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kills for sport for the thrill of the hunt and for the pleasure of the kill zarof is the hunter the Trap Sailors are
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the hunted and the island is his hunting ground and playground many of our listeners will think of the Zodiac
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Killer when they hear the title The Most Dangerous Game because of the possible reference and ciphers that the Zodiac
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Killer sent to newspapers in the San Francisco Bay Area when decoded by husband and wife Donald and Betty Harden
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we learned that the monster calling himself the Zodiac said quote I like killing people because it is so much fun
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and is more fun than killing Wild game in the forest because man is the most danger animal of all to kill something
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gives me the most thrilling experience and in the 2007 film zodiac the film version of the most dangerous game is
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mentioned a number of times in this week's case the story of the hunter killing men on an island is even more
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relevant but really anytime we are discussing humans hunting humans it is relevant especially when discussing
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organized and methodical serial killers because that is what they do essentially
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they hunt the majority of these types are obsessed with sexual violence legendary
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FBI profiler Roy Hazelwood called these types the great white sharks in his book dark dreams he goes
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through all the theories about what goes into the creation of a sexual criminal and organized sexual and hate motivated
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serial killers in the end he reminds us that the most obvious and the most frightening explanation of all is that
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some offenders commit sexual violent crimes simply because they want to they like it and they have no regard for what
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the rest of society thinks John Douglas maybe the most famous FBI profiler of all wrote in his 1995 book mind Hunter
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serial killers play a most dangerous game the more we understand the way they play the more we can stack the odds
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against them this is true crime [Music] garage [Music] no one knows for sure when it all
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started it being young women going missing in and around Anchorage Alaska some Say It Was 1980 others say it was
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as early as Christmas of 1971 the only person who knows for sure ain't talking we will start off in the
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winter of 1981 in Anchorage Alaska Us in the lower 48 when we think of Alaska we
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think of the cold and the snow the average temperature in Alaska in December is between 13 and 25° the
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population of the city of Anchorage at the end of 1981 would be right around 175,000 people on December 2nd
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1981 Andrea Eli was reported missing by her girlfriend she told police at the time of filing the report that Andrea
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worked as an exotic dancer in Downtown Anchorage and she was last seen going to meet an unknown male for a photo shoot
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Andrea never returned home she was last seen taking a checker cab to the bonface
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mall around 11:00 p.m. this is in Anchorage Alaska according to our friends over at the Charlie project
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Andrea alteri was also known by her stage name enchantment and by a nickname fish the
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young woman is described as a white female adult with a medium complexion 24 years of age she was reported as being
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5' 5 in tall and 120 lb Miss alteri had medium to long brown hair that she wore straightened and had brown eyes she was
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last seen wearing a black leather jacket red sweater blue jeans brown cowboy boots it may have carrying a small
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flowered makeup bag and a black zipper purse Andrea was also reported to have been wearing some very distinctive items
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and anytime captain that we're talking about a missing person we've always said this if you can't find the person you
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hope to at least find some of the items that they had on their person when they went missing and it helps to have
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distinctive specific items we've seen that in several cases that we've covered here the distinctive items that are
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listed are a gold colored ring with one Pearl a golden colored ring with two pearls an antique wedding band set with
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a rose set top and a custommade golden necklace shaped like a salmon with a diamond set as the eye the rumors I saw
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say that she was offered $300 for a photo shoot with this unknown male so that's a lot of money that's an
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attractive offer to someone to go out on this photo shoot be probably roughly around
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$3,000 in today's money yeah that was nearly 40 years ago so I don't know the the uh translation here if you would
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about the money but 300 bucks is is still a lot of coin today now we have no one that says that they ever saw Andrea
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again and we have her friends we have her mother and the Alaska State Troopers who have looked for Andrea for years and
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of course Foul Play is suspected in alter's case due to the circumstances involved now we say we don't know when
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it really started because it is anyone's guess it could be when young women started to go missing we have Megan
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Emerich Mary Phil and roxan Ean these women range in age from 17 to 24 all three were reported missing between July
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1973 and June of 198 0 all were reported missing under similar circumstances and they had all made some
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type of arrangement with an unknown male to meet for money some were offered money for a photo shoot some for lunch
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some for sex just like Andrea alteri they have never been seen again so all these women go missing in the 70s and
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80s and we don't know if it's by the same person we know all the women were propositioned
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with an opportunity do we know how these individuals were connecting with these women because obviously there wasn't the
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internet back then I my guess would be at their work or however they were earning their money would be the where
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this opportunity came from in each of these circumstances I can't say for certain we're going off of somewhat
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vague details that are ranging from 40 to almost 50 years old the other thing here Captain is when we talk about it
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when it started it also could be when body started to turn up now there was a girl found on Christmas Day 1971 this
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was 17-year-old Celia van zanton and then there was the unidentifiable remains that were located in July of
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1980 workmen discovered skeletal remains in a shallow grave while working on some
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power lines the body was very very decomposed indicating her death had occurred months earlier authorities
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hoped that maybe some of the items found with the remains would lead to an identification of this individual these
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items were a brown leather hip length jacket a light colored knitted sleeveless shirt blue jeans and red knee
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high high heeled zipup boots a box of Salem matches were found in a pocket of her jacket indicating this person may
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have been a smoker the victim was also wearing several pieces of jewelry a handmade metal bracelet with three
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turquoise stones a copper necklace containing shell beads and heart pendant and a timx wristatch and goldplated
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Twisted Metal hoop earrings when this person is found these items are listed pictured and sent out to the public
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asking for The public's help can you help us to identify this person that we have found the autopsy report concluded
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that she was likely killed by a stab wound to the back and revealed that the victim was petite probably between 41 to
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5' 3 in tall and most likely white although she may have had a degree of Native American Heritage her hair color
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ranged from light brown to Strawberry Blonde again these remains are very decomposed they don't know who they're
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looking at some of the things that they are observing and taking note of they cannot say for certain because of the
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decomposition that has taken place right they believe that this individual would
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have been most likely between the ages of 16 and 25 now the interesting that thing that jumps off the page here to me
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Captain is she's falling right in that age range of women that have gone missing right and the body that has has
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already turned up well and just like you were saying because of their ages because of the manner in which they're
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found or not found can't rule out the possibility that they're all connected so this person whoever she may be to
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this very day is yet to be properly identified and she is known as euta Annie and this is simply because she was
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found near auta Lake Road in auta area of Anchorage Alaska the same month in that same very
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area and with this one the authorities will have much more luck there were additional remains found there were
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remains found in a gravel pit and they were listed as badly decomposed as well she was later identified as Joana
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mesina 2 months later 41-year-old Lisa fatr was reported missing Lisa was reported to last be seen leaving her job
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for a date Lisa was a dancer at a club in Anchorage then in November of 1981 23-year-old Sherry marrow also known as
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Sher Graves and known as Georgia at the club where she danced she danced at this
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busy show bar on 4th Avenue in Anchorage we have these people going missing and we have some bodies turn up and all of
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this with the bodies turning up this takes us right back around full circle to the lady that we first discussed
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Andrea alteri reported missing early December 1981 notice in the missing person's
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reports as far as the months go when these young women are going missing they are sort of all over the shop right
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they're going missing in all kinds of different months throughout these years but it's no surprised that given the
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cold temperatures and the amount of snow in Alaska that we are finding bodies when we are finding bodies it is limited
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to the summer months or at least the warmer months well this story will really start
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to heat up in September of 1982 remember Sher marrow that we just discussed so this is when the body of
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exotic dancer Sher marrow was found near the Nick River by two off-duty police officers who were out moose hunting I
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want to read this article because it really lays everything out nicely especially when it comes to the thoughts
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of the investigators when Sher maro's body was found now the headline reads more Graves sought after dancer found
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and the article reads Alaska State Troopers are expected to search for more Graves on the willow scrub sandbars of
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the Nick River where moose Hunter discovered the body of a missing dancer earlier this month but Troopers and
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Anchorage police say they doubt the murder of 24-year-old Sher Maro is related to The Disappearance of at least
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three other dancers from Anchorage since June of 1980 Trooper lieutenant John schau said quote there's nothing now to
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indicate that the disappearances are anything other than a coincidence as Anchorage police
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investigator Maxine phell put it quote we don't believe that we have a mass murderer out here some psycho knocking
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off girls but we have to cover every possibility Miss marrow also known as Sher Graves worked at a club on
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anchorage's Fourth Avenue she vanished November 17th 1981 leaving her belongings behind her body was found
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September 12th in a shallow grave on a sandb bar a mile below the bridge on the Palmer alternate
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Highway quote we've got to keep those other girls in the back of our minds said Trooper homicide investigator Lyall
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hogman the Moose Hunter said he was checking the area around his campsite to see if I could stir something up before
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dark when he discovered Miss maro's body the Hunter and off-duty officer said at
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first he was unsure what he had found but was suspicious because he had also found a boot and a jacket nearby two of
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the other missing dancers have been identified as roxan Eastland last seen leaving for a date on June 28th
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1980 and Lisa Futrell last seen leaving her job for a date on September 7th 1980
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yeah this all seems pretty familiar we have these women that are either working as sex workers or they're working as
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strippers getting opportunities by some guy and not just a decent opportunity these are lucrative
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opportunities never seen again but Alaska is a big area so how how much distance are we see in between where the
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bodies are discovered I don't have the information right in front of me here Captain it's probably a good amount of
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distance the the difference is in a couple of the cases there's not a lot of distance they're the they're found in
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the same area just wondering how close to like the Gilgo Beach well in that situation they were they were walking
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distance apart I mean you walk down the street and you're finding another another body doesn't seem familiar to
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like the Long Island serial killer murders well that's just it with all these serial cases they usually seem
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very familiar they've there's a lot of similarities that go into the procuring the victims and
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the disposal of victims and so forth and so on and then when you get kneed deep into it then you start to really realize
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the complexity of each case and that there are some things that are very unique to each case and that's what
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we're going to see here what is not so obvious is that you can't just look at a situation and go okay well we got a
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bunch of women that are missing and wait now we got a bunch of bodies that are turning up and the missing are not the
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same as the bodies that are turning up because unfortunately the bodies that are turning up are no longer missing
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right and you can't just look at that situation and go well we got a Serial offender here we got one guy that's as
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the one officer put it in that article so bluntly we don't think that we have some psycho running around knocking off
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girls you have three different officers that were there looking for additional bodies that's what's interesting we
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found one body Sher Morrow's body in this area we're here not only looking for additional evidence in her
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homicide they publicly State we're also here looking for other bodies that is of
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course because we have the missing women that have still not been found so in this case I think it's weird because you
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have three officers stating we don't think we're dealing with anything that's connected here and I think what's going
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to back up those gut instincts that they having when interviewed for this article
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in September of 1982 is that they don't find any other bodies in that immediate area but what
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they are going to find is going to be related to the forensics so in Sher Morrow's case it took about two weeks to
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identify her remains to figure out who are we looking at here now you heard what was said in the article this victim
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and the other missing dancers are probably just a coincidence but it's the forensic work conducted that will tell
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us otherwise and that is because investigators found a spent 223 shell casing the casing makes sense okay
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considering that they were able to determine that Sherry marrow was shot in the back right the strange thing with
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Sher maro's case she was shot in the back but she didn't have any bullet holes in her clothing that was found on
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her body meaning she was shot naked and then her clothes were put back on her yes of course a strong suggestion that
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she was nude when killed and then someone took the time to dress her before burying her in a shallow
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grave so of course they would hope to find a shell casing and they did they found it near Sher marrow's body but
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what makes this even more interesting and of course investigators are going to learn this fact after this article was
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printed they find out that two years prior to that incident two other women had been found in similar circumstances
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the first was that euta Annie who's never been identified the second was a topless dancer named Joanna mosina in
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the accua Annie case evidence showed that the body had been buried at one time but had been Unearthed by animals
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so when she was discovered she above ground but they have all this evidence that someone took the time to bury this
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victim Joanna was the one that was found nearby auta Annie in a gravel pit so they found a 223 shell casing at one of
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these sites as well so now things are starting to look a lot different you have two bodies
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found near one another one body is out of a dancer and you have a 223 casing from one of the burials then 2 years
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later you find the body of another dancer Sherry Morrow and find a 223 Cas a 223 casing in the dirt alongside her
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body so you might have a bunch of missing young women in bodies popping up but now you have strong reason to
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front they were sold out they were sold out all right we talked about now we have some things showing us that some of
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these cases are probably connected so let's fast forward about a year okay this is going to take us to to September
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of 1983 when the body of 17-year-old Paula Golding was found in a shallow grave on
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the bank of the Nick River she too had been shot in the back but again they find no bullet holes on her clothing so
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she too had been shot and then someone dressed her before burying her in a shallow grave now we know by reviewing
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the list of the missing and the bodies that have turned up that we likely have a higher body count than that of what
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has been recovered but now a fourth victim is recovered and the remains were left in a very similar manner as remains
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that were left at a previous body recovery site so we're seeing a lot of a lot of connection between some of these
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victims and then you know you still have several that are out there and that are
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missing and as you pointed out earlier Captain this is a big area there's lots of space to hide things should one want
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to well and the weather doesn't cooperate with the discovery of the bodies either if a girl is taken and
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she's murdered and then placed into the woods and then you have weeks of snow and weeks of winter that really hinders
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the the investigation well and in some of these cases you feel like maybe there's a little luck involved for
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the investigators because the bodies weren't buried very deep these are extremely shallow graves right and
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animals are plentiful in this area and have Unearthed at least one of the victims and you wonder had somebody gone
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to a a more greater effort then maybe these bodies may not have been ever recovered right now now let's get into
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some info this is from another news article this time listen to how the general thoughts and suspicions of the
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case how they have changed somewhat dramatically in the last year and some of these officers and detectives that
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are quoted in this article are the same that were quoted in the previous one that we reviewed this article is titled
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two more names may be added to list of missing bar dancers and it reads homicide investigators are
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trying to determine whether two more names should be added to the growing list of bar dancers who have vanished
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from Anchorage since 1980 frustrated police fear Six Women on the list may be dead their bodies hidden
00:31:46
in the vast Anchorage expanses they already know that a seventh woman is dead while they say
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there may be more than one killer investigators suspect that one man may have murdered them all Quote he's still
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here says Maxine frell she's an Anchorage Police Homicide investigator who's been tracking the missing women
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for at least two years she goes on to say the publicity might have pushed him under a little but he's
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here they the victims they're going off with somebody they trust she says I believe he's in his late 30s early 40s
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probably clean cut and soft spoken to where the girls feel really safe with him he may be affluent if not he
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pretends to be These Girls Aren't stupid he's got to be able to show he can pay I
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don't think they just ran away these girls are leaving behind things they would not normally
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leave so far at least seven women most in their 20s with light hair most new in town new to Anchorage have disappeared
00:33:00
under strikingly similar circumstances an eighth woman whose body was found near auta in 1980 is on the
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list but little is known of her the women often are transients and when they turn up missing nobody calls it in this
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according to miss Pharaoh hunters in 1982 found one of the seven that was the 23-year-old Sher Morrow buried on a
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sandbar near the Nick River this is about 25 miles north of Anchorage she was fully clothed and had been shot by a
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rifle investigator said her shallow grave was located in an accessible area a second partially decomposed body
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has yet to be identified was Unearthed nearby earlier this month she too had been shot and appeared to have been
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dressed her grave was in a nearly inaccessible remote area police think she is one of the missing dancers but
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are awaiting dental records from Hawaii to be sure miss frell says records checks now indicate two more women may
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fit a profile compiled by police there are Kathy disher age 23 who disappeared late last year and delene Fry 20 who was
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reported missing in sep September but may have vanished in March Miss frell goes on to say they
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make me suspicious enough to take a closer look also missing are six other women the first was reported missing in
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August of 1980 the most recent in April of 1983 most are dancers at topless and bottomless clubs and bars police say one
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worked in a massage parlor at least one had been arrested for prostitution and others were known to the members of the
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Anchorage police vice squad many of them had close contact with their families and friends before they dropped out of
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sight she says that's interesting to me Captain because what the officer is telling us there is that these women as
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transient as they may be right they are keeping in contact with their loved ones
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and loved ones have not heard from them so something dramatically has changed in
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their lives to put them in a situation where either they're choosing not to contact loved ones or cannot contact
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loved ones well and I was going to bring up the point cuz Alaska is one of the places people go so other people don't
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know where they're at they go missing on their own uh but like you said what a great Point these people were yes
00:35:46
they're in Alaska and they're working and they could disappear at any point that they want to but the recent past
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they were in con constant contact with friends or family members so it wasn't like they just went off and became
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Alexander Super [ __ ] I want something on the record right here and right now Captain if I go missing or I disappear I
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want to squash all suspicions right away I will leave a note I will tell someone
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all right put that on the record if you don't hear from me or you don't find a note something happened to the colonel
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something bad somebody got him now she goes on to talk about the missing again and she said one told friends that she
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was going to meet a man at noon listen to all these similarities again meet a man at noon at a downtown restaurant and
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then go to a photo session with this man another said she was meeting a man at noon who offered her $300 for 1 hour of
00:36:43
her time police reports indicate a third woman told friends she was meeting a really neat guy at a restaurant around
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noon on the day that she went missing neat very neat another was going to a lunch date by cab and one was meeting a
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man she said was a doctor the detective goes on to say of the missing women with
00:37:08
one exception they all were in their 20s between 5'4 and 5' 7 in tall weighed about 120 to 125 lbs and were slim
00:37:18
usually busty Sant lyo hogin an Alaska State Trooper investigator working the cases says police are trying to assemble
00:37:28
a psychological profile to assist the investigation he says one man possibly from the Anchorage area may be
00:37:38
responsible for the killing of two women whose bodies were found on the Nick River quote the graves were so similar
00:37:47
shallow he says no great effort was made to bury them there may not have been time just to know the area where he took
00:37:56
the the girls yeah it's a local meaning the suspect Searchers stalked the rivers
00:38:03
sandbars during the past weekend looking for more bodies but came up empty-handed
00:38:08
checks with other states for similar crimes have added nothing meanwhile Troopers are compiling a list of names
00:38:15
to feed into a computer in hopes of finding another thread quote it's extremely frustrating you think you've
00:38:22
got things going but then boom you're back to square one hogman says if it is a mass Killer maybe he's on a mission or
00:38:32
something maybe he's got a fetish he's got to do but they are coming more frequently meaning the bodies when he
00:38:41
says they at the end of the article now that article is a little long and I apologize for that but there's a lot of
00:38:47
interesting things in there and to me this is something that I've believed for years and had several discussions with
00:38:54
others about specific speically some detectives who hold profilers and FBI agents in very high regard and sometimes
00:39:03
higher than they hold themselves and I've always kind of thought like yeah there there are people
00:39:10
that go to school that are educated that are trained in the ways of criminal profiling right but Captain you and I
00:39:17
have been looking at cases that are much older than when profiling really came to
00:39:22
be and one thing that I've always seen in this article fully shows that that really at their
00:39:31
core detectives profile a case they profile the offender the area where a body is found the circumstances under
00:39:39
which the person went missing they profile the victimology right we see that right here in this article where
00:39:46
one of the officers is talking about what types of girls are going missing and turning up dead where they're
00:39:53
working about their ages and really making a connection between the victims that they're they don't know each other
00:40:00
may not know each other but they're similar people living similar lifestyles in similar areas then the other officer
00:40:07
goes on to say look this might be why one person would be out here killing all these women and I believe he's a local
00:40:15
and here's why and backs it up with some some thoughts and suspicions so in a way
00:40:22
they are profilers well at this point in the case that's all the investigators can do his profile but we get a break in
00:40:30
the case because one of the victims gets away yeah that's what's so interesting in this case because here we have two
00:40:38
newspaper articles that are almost exactly one year apart where the investigators who one were tracking the
00:40:46
missing women and two are investigating the bodies that they they are finding say two completely different things
00:40:55
first a year ago we don't think these are connected there's enough we know enough about the streets we know enough
00:41:01
about the victims in the area that we're working that our gut tells us not connected fast forward one year later
00:41:09
completely different song and dance all of them are saying there's a chance that
00:41:14
they're not connected but now we feel based off of what we've learned about the victims in the last year what we've
00:41:22
learned about the forensics and the evidence right that we're finding at these body recovery sites that they very
00:41:29
likely are connected so much so that they're going out of their way to tell the general public the women that are
00:41:35
still missing that we've not even recovered yet we think are probably connected to what we are finding
00:41:42
here so when you think about all that has changed in the case over the course of that year the evidence has changed
00:41:48
and there's more concrete ways to link the victims together they are from the same area living similar Lifestyles some
00:41:55
are missing under similar circumstances bodies are being found near one another and killed and or left in the same
00:42:02
manner all of that is happening but the other thing that happened in this case is Cindy
00:42:10
pulson Cindy Paulson happened Cindy was only 17 years old and she is scratching by working as a dancer and sex worker
00:42:19
and living in Anchorage Alaska on our timeline technically we are going back about 3 months Captain so now it's the
00:42:28
middle of June 1983 right Cindy is out working and she gets in this guy's car the guy is fairly
00:42:38
average looking a little on the ugly side he's got pock marks on his face and glasses and wears glasses he offers
00:42:47
Cindy $200 for oral sex now this is quite a bit above the normal street rate and she accepts yeah cuz cuz in Columbus
00:42:57
you can go to Main Street and get a [ __ ] for a cheeseburger well the two of them agree to drive somewhere and at
00:43:04
some point this man pulls a gun on her mhm he tells her that he is going to take his time and they are going to do
00:43:12
what he wants and if she cooperates no one will get Hur if she doesn't do as he says or if he's going to create problems
00:43:22
for him he is going to kill her yeah he basically says look you're going to chalk this up to a bad experience you
00:43:29
picked the wrong guy and maybe from now on if you do what I tell you to do I'm going to let you free you're you're
00:43:38
going to be safe and from just now on you're you might want to be more careful on which individuals you pick up he then
00:43:45
put some handcuffs on the young woman and then drove her to what she could only assume was his home where he
00:43:53
sexually assaulted her and tortured her at one point he raped her on a black bear skin rug she was in this guy's
00:44:01
basement for a couple of hours he even briefly took a nap during the ordeal she of course was handcuffed and chained up
00:44:10
during that but she could see all kinds of hunting trophies mounted on the walls
00:44:15
of the basement the man first told her his name was Dawn but then hours later maybe after the nap he's saying his name
00:44:25
was Bob but she didn't have any reason to believe either name would be his real name unless he did absolutely intend to
00:44:34
kill her then it wouldn't matter if she knew his name or not just like the $200 he had promised her wouldn't matter
00:44:42
either she knew he was going to kill her so after the guy took a short nap he wakes up and he tells her that he likes
00:44:51
her he really likes her he said that he had done this sort of thing before he gets a girl takes her to his house and
00:45:00
then he takes her up to his cabin out in the middle of nowhere the two of them will spend a couple days there and when
00:45:07
he is done he flies the girls back gives them some money and lets them go but he
00:45:15
said he really liked her so he might be spending more time with her than he did with the
00:45:23
others eventually the guy drives the two of them to a local Airfield this is Maro
00:45:29
Field airport where he has a small blue and white plane waiting the man parked the car and got out and told the still
00:45:39
handcuffed Cindy you're not to move or else because if you start moving and making a bunch of noise well then you
00:45:48
are going to get me very angry and when I get angry I shoot girls so she better not upset
00:45:56
him after he left the car to load the plane Cindy Paulson threw her body into the driver's seat and opened the door
00:46:06
she doesn't have any shoes on her hands are cuffed but she sprinted to the nearest road that she could find the man
00:46:16
turned around and saw her running now keep in mind this is in the middle of the night mhm well early in
00:46:24
the morning it's still very dark out the man goes running after her with his gun
00:46:31
she runs out onto Fifth Avenue at about 5:00 a.m. in the morning she's beat up and handcuffed thank God there was
00:46:38
someone out on the road a trucker driving his big rig and thank God again this guy stopped to help Cindy she jumps
00:46:46
in the truck and the two speed off now the guy chasing after Cindy got so close to the truck close enough that the Good
00:46:56
Samaritan driver could see that she was being chased by a man with a gun right not
00:47:04
just a man this man was armed and looked like he was ready to use it once in the truck they're driving off
00:47:13
Cindy asked the driver to take her to a motel where her boyfriend was staying there's some arguing back and forth
00:47:22
between the trucker and Cindy about where they should be going the trucker really felt like they should be going to
00:47:28
the police station right Cindy wanted nothing to do with anything and only wanted to get to the
00:47:36
motel during the course of that argument it does of course come up that Cindy had
00:47:42
some reservations about going to the police station because of some of her activities that she was involved in
00:47:49
leading up to this horrific event right now let's go back to the Airfield right the man that took Cindy
00:47:59
captive after he sees her jump in this truck and drive off now he's going to make his way back to his vehicle and
00:48:06
he's going to drive off and get out of Dodge as quickly as he can but a security guard took notice of all of
00:48:14
this strange behavior that was going on and he wrote down the license plate number on this guy's
00:48:24
vehicle now back at the motel Cindy Paulson still hand in handcuffs she got a hold of her
00:48:32
boyfriend and someone working the front desk decided that at that point you know
00:48:39
whether she wants to or not I'm calling the police so the front desk worker calls in
00:48:45
the Anchorage Police Department yeah I also heard that the truck driver drove to the police department as
00:48:53
well I think he did after dropping her her off at the motel yeah when police arrived at the motel Cindy provided a
00:49:01
highly detailed account of the abduction this included information about the man's car his home possibly even what
00:49:09
street it was on and the small airplane she described her attacker as a white male medium build 5' 6 in tall 170 lbs
00:49:20
with short brown hair with crossed front teeth and acne scars on his his face now at this point in the story
00:49:29
Captain Cindy is in a police car they are heading for the hospital as his standard protocol for a victim of a
00:49:36
sexual assault while in a route to the hospital they drive past the same Airfield that Cindy said she had run
00:49:45
from this is just an hour or so earlier MH she God bless this woman I mean she is amazing to be in such a horrific
00:49:56
situation and be able to remember such good details she was able to remember what
00:50:03
the plane looked like that he was attempting to load her into mhm and where the plane was parked
00:50:12
at the Airfield she walked the police to a little blue and white plane and this was identified as a
00:50:24
super Cub aircraft tail number N3 089 Z Now around this same time the security officer that made note of some strange
00:50:37
Behavior earlier well he is speaking with police this man's name is Brian Demers mhm he
00:50:45
told the police that at 5:14 a.m. that morning he observed a white male running to a vehicle the man was wearing a green
00:50:53
coat and hat and ran to a green vehicle Demers was able to provide them with the
00:50:59
plate number Alaska plate number bjz 775 yeah so at this point it's kind of like ah got him but is this the guy that
00:51:12
is responsible for multiple women going missing yeah is he responsible for these
00:51:17
other disappearances is he responsible for the bodies that are turning up he's obviously going to look very good for
00:51:23
this case and and how quickly you have all this information about this dude because the beautiful thing about things
00:51:30
like tail numbers and license plate numbers they usually lead you directly to somebody right and you're hoping it
00:51:39
leads you directly to the somebody that's responsible for abducting this young woman
00:51:46
assaulting her and trying to take her to God knows where well law enforcement's not going to hesitate they're going to
00:51:54
just go right to his house yeah because very quickly the police discover that the plane was registered to a Robert C
00:52:01
Hansen who lived at 7223 old Harbor Road now let's cross reference that with our other tidbit of information here the
00:52:11
vehicle license plate was registered to a Robert C Hansen as well yeah now as far as this investigation is concerned
00:52:19
we're cooking with gas now by this time Captain we have had several years of Dance and others reported to be missing
00:52:27
plus we have about 3 years of bodies turning up so of course police and detectives are fully aware that
00:52:36
something is going on they believe they have some cases that might be connected maybe they're not that is in part
00:52:44
because when we are investigating the disappearances and the homicides they took to the
00:52:51
streets and to the show Bars and to the clubs asking the traditional questions is there anyone you suspect of harming
00:52:59
so and so MH or were there any joh that this victim was afraid of and told you about maybe somebody got rough with her
00:53:09
or maybe somebody roughed up this woman and after doing the leg work police detectives had themselves a list of 15
00:53:17
to 20 suspects depending on which detective you spoke to this Robert C Hansen whose car was seen at the
00:53:25
Airfield where Cindy escaped her captor Cindy independently of the security guards account identifies the
00:53:34
plane that belongs to Robert C Hansen the security guard independently of Cindy identifies the
00:53:42
vehicle as belonging to Robert C Hansen right so again things are lining up nicely for police that this abduction
00:53:51
and rape case should go quite smoothly for them but is it connected to any of the other cases that's the big question
00:54:01
mark because Robert C Hansen was not a name that the responding officers and more importantly detective Floy who
00:54:07
would catch the case none of them are familiar with this name and the name Robert Hansen certainly didn't appear on
00:54:14
any current suspect list and on top of that when law enforcement goes to talk to Hansen he denies knowing Cindy at
00:54:24
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