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grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Applause] [Music] so where are shenan Bella and CeCe now
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Nicole Kissinger Chris's mistress only confirmed to police what they already suspected that Chris Watts was a liar a
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cheater and likely disposed of his family to get rid of the inconvenience of being a husband and father Chris
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agreed to take a polygraph test the results of the exam stated deception indicated Chris Watts was lying the
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detectives in the room decided to go For Broke they told Chris that he failed they knew he was lying and it was time
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to come clean then they pulled out a photo of his family this is when Chris confessed but
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not to murder he told investigators that he was being untruthful and he hurt shenan
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emotionally he told them he was having an affair for five or six weeks he told them he never felt about anyone the way
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he felt about quote her he didn't want to tell the cops his lover's name right he wanted to keep her name out of it of
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course the cops had already talked to Nicole at length Chris went on to say that his and shananne's life was totally
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focused on the kids and he didn't feel as though he could be himself or the person that he
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really was or who his wife needed him to be because he walked on eggshells around
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her the investigators kept pushing Chris and they kept hoping that somewhere he has a conscience well they keep telling
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him hey dummy you failed the test right we we asked you three questions and those three questions Chris did we
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ask you about an affair did we ask you about your girlfriend no so you failed the test and for
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whatever reason Chris is like trying to get them to convince well it's because I was holding that
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back that that's why I I didn't pass the test but trust me yes did I hurt her emotionally yes but I did not I did not
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hurt her physically but he also states that at some point maybe that his wife that he told his wife about the affair
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and that that's why she ran off or some crazy nonsense like that well when he doesn't cave what the
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interrogators do they try a new tactic and one of them asked Chris whether maybe shanan had quote done something to
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the girls right one of the detectives even tells Chris that he worked a case where the mother smothered her two kids
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because she didn't want her husband to be able to take them away from her and after first denying it it seems likely
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that this concept gives Chris an idea because Chris asked to take a break and to talk to his father who was waiting
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outside now his father Ronnie comes in and the detectives remind Chris that whatever they say will be recorded and
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then they leave and Chris says to his dad in a quiet Broken Voice that he doesn't want to protect shenan he tells
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Ronnie that after he left their conversation about separating and went downstairs he came back up to the master
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bedroom for something and saw on the baby monitor that Bella was splayed out on her bed the monitor flipped to Cece's
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room and Chris says he saw shanan sitting on top of CeCe strangling her he ran into the room and attacked shenan
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and quote did the same thing to her he says it was over fast he had a lot of rage and shenan wasn't able to fight
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back right he guessed that shenan must have just lost it he put shenan's body back on the master bed and covered her
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up because he said he couldn't look at her and he felt horrible for what he did then he said he looked at his kids and
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saw what she did now Ronnie is aghast at this news obviously he says my godson and puts his hand on Chris's arm right
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Chris says he could tell the girls were dead because they were both blue he did not attempt CPR he did not call 9-1-1
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instead he put the bodies behind the driver's seat this has been in the second row of his truck and disposed of
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them so Chris puts the blame on shenan for killing the girls he says quote emotionally he must have drove her to do
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something stupid he claims that she hadn't had a temper and would fly off the handle he implies that she was
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unstable now we know Captain the the police already knew where the bodies were in
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fact they were on site when one of them received a call that Chris confessed of course this is at the site that we
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already discussed site number 319 where Chris went on August 13th what is incredible is how little time he
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actually had there and how risky his dumping of the bodies was we know that he arrived on site at 6 53 a.m other
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employees reported arriving before 7 30. Chris had been texting them and calling
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them starting at 6 29 a.m to find out what time they would arrive it was broad daylight this gives Chris maybe 30
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minutes to hide three corpses so how did he do it the answer is very quickly and
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very sloppy now the two 400 barrel tanks on the site contained crude oil this is
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a toxic chemical that exudes strong fumes Chris was an operator and was intimately familiar with these storage
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tanks and how they worked the two tanks were next to each other and accessible from the top by climbing a narrow metal
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staircase up the side of the tanks each tank had one eight inch wide Thief hatch
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that's what they call them on top and it was into these two tanks that Chris dumped the bodies of his baby girls he
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shoved three-year-old CC still wearing her pink 90 and pull up diaper into the hatch of one of the tanks leaving a
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clump of hair on the hatch he shoved four-year-old Bella and her unicorn nightgown into the other Bella's body
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had scratches on it from the hatch Chris said he could tell how much oil was in the tanks by the sound of the splashes
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the girl's bodies made when investigators asked whether there was any way that the girls were still alive
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when they hit the oil he said no no no no no no God no now Chris knew he couldn't fit shenan's
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body into this little opening on the tank so he dug a hole in the ground near the tanks and he shoved his dead wife's
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body into a fetal position into about 27 inches deep into the hole and covered her up with just three inches of dirt
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meanwhile investigators at the site used a drone to do a flyover to get the lay of the
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land and the drone camera showed them what appeared to be a sheet in the brush and a freshly Disturbed patch of dirt
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there they found a broken rake two black trash bags and the fitted sheet matching
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the missing one from the Watts bedroom right the sheet had clearly been used to drag a body as it was covered with dirty
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drag marks and then dumped into the brush and haste Corners were called in and sure enough shenan was Unearthed
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from the shallow grave we know that law enforcement knew the site the location and then at some point they actually
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hold up a picture of the location of because they say hey we've been there earlier we here's some Drone footage and
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by the way here's an overview where is your wife's body right and he points them out to him
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but you have to know that the law enforcement that the the agent that said hey I once worked a case where the the
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mother smothered the children and then that's the excuse he's using you you know that the agent's going this
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is just [ __ ] yeah well and I mean he's placed under arrest for the murder of his wife on that night right and this
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is after what we should refer to as his partial confession right and there is probably absolutely no doubt in any of
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the investigators Minds at this point that Chris Watts was 100 guilty of killing his entire family yeah after all
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his behavior was suspicious from the beginning he left a trail of evidence and he lied to police all right so when
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does the confession part two take place well that's what's interesting here because this is not a whodunit you know
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we all know that Chris Watts seemingly a loving father and adoring husband was actually a murderer the question in this
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case is how much of a monster is he yeah how and why yeah did did he just snap and kill shenan in retaliation for her
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murders of the girls as he has at times continued to claim or did he have some kind of mental break or as many believe
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and as he ultimately pled guilty to did he actually kill not only his pregnant wife and fetus but both his daughters as
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well and if so did he plan the whole event how much of his life was a lie and why would he do the unthinkable even if
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Shannon drove him into a rage why did he kill his little girls as well so first of all the question about whether Chris
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or shenan killed the girls Chris claims that his wife lost it killed the daughters after the separation
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discussion right but investigators are not going to buy this for one thing Bella and CeCe were not strangled as he
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stated that he saw on the monitor right and Chris's story shenan strangles them in a rage but the autopsy reports in the
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death of both girl girls is very clear they died of asphyxiation due to smothering there were no finger or hand
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marks around the girl's necks whatsoever Bella had struggled violently while she
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was being smothered she bit through her tongue CeCe had no marks on her at all so according to
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Chris he bit through her tongue but she also didn't she have separation of from her gums to her mouth yeah oh yeah on
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the soft tissue inside the face there yeah um shenan could not have strangled either of them you know Chris is lying
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about this and that's clear from the autopsy what is also totally and completely out of character for shenan
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to have laid a finger on her girls you know further most women who kill their children have warning signs such as
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depression anxiety and it the list goes on and on right shenan had none of these Chris's story was a
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tale he invented an attempt to save his own skin he ended up pleading guilty to all three murders as well as unlawful
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termination of a pregnancy in a plea deal that saved him from the death penalty to this day his mother still
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alleges that shenan was the baby killer so now to our second question as to whether Chris Watts just snapped and
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killed his entire family in a rage a blackout or a break with reality or did he plan to murder his family right
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we may likely never know the answer to this for sure unless he speaks up at some point uh he has refused to address
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any of this but most people seem to agree that yes the slaughter of the Watts family was premeditated this
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includes the district attorney who made the plea deal with Chris whereby he pled
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guilty to all three murders he said that the evidence does not point to a crime of passion driven by blind rage so what
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points to premeditation First on that Friday before the murders the 10th Chris took the day off so he could care for
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the girls why shenan headed to Arizona while he was meeting a co-worker Troy McCoy in a parking lot to exchange an
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Amazon fire stick McCoy received a call from a colleague named Cody Roberts indicating that there was a possible
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slow leak at the 319 site and asking if someone could head out there on Monday Chris overheard McCoy's conversation
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with Roberts and he volunteered quickly that he could go out there and take care
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of it he knew it was a one-person job and that the other employees would not be present further he then text Cody
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Roberts on Sunday August 12th at 5 06 PM this is during a birthday party where he
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was at with his girls this is to confirm that he would be heading out to the site
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on Monday morning and then he would report back he said no reason for the both of them to go Roberts later
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remarked that it was unheard of for Chris to make contact on a weekend Chris also later told Nicole in a two-hour
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phone call on the night of the 12th during which shenan was trying to call him from the airport that he would not
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be into the office in the morning as usual this would avoid him having to go into the office first which is his usual
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Mo and would give him time alone at the very remote site another thing Nicole Kissinger stated
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that on the rare occasions that the two went out in public Chris always paid with cash or Anadarko gift cards but on
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that Saturday night August 11th when Chris told shenan he was at the Rockies game and he and Nicole actually went to
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the lazy dog he casually charged dinner for two on shenan's joint credit card but if he's planning to murder her and
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this is premeditated murder he knows he's not going to have to answer for these charges or won't care that he did
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this well he is also fine with racking up almost a half a million dollars in debt and filed bankruptcy the other
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thing too and this is more speculation you know I know it's all speculation but this seems a little more questionable
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there's something that's been referred to as the creepy doll photo this is a quite the weird one but on August 9th
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Chris texted his wife a photo of a three foot long human looking doll la lying on
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the sofa in the house covered with what looks like a white sheet I guess it's actually a twister mat Chris said that
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the girls did it when they were playing but could this have been some kind of sick you know joke that only Chris would
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understand or some kind of weird warning um this is this image is one of the last
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to appear on shenan's Facebook page she actually replies I don't know what to think about this
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and then it's the the crying laughing emoji so that's very strange the final thing
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that points to premeditation is the manner of the killings you know remember the D.A said that Chris had not killed
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in Rage as he claimed this is because the evidence shows that the two girls were smothered separately one at a time
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which takes patience and perseverance experts say it takes three to four minutes to kill someone in this manner
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and Chris as we know made sure that they were really dead smothering the girls until they were blue he wasn't rushing
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around bashing people over the head or stabbing them the the girls had no marks on their bodies
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you know practically anywhere and as for shenan she had no bruises marks or wounds on her body the characteristic of
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a rage attack right she was systematically and deliberately strangled to death with the only marks
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left behind being finger marks on her throat we don't know where shenan was killed the the sofa in the loft or in
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the bedroom but I believe it was upstairs as the motion detectors in the home show no Motion in the house until 4
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23 a.m when we know Chris was waking up to make his Thrive shake and packing his
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lunch for the day we don't know exactly how she was killed you know was she attacked from behind or while she slept
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but remember there were no defensive wounds right we don't even know for sure the order of
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the killings no where the girls killed before shanan arrived home I I think that this might be unlikely Captain as
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there's a chance that shenan may have noticed that they were dead but perhaps I mean I don't know it's tough to it's
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tough to figure out what was going in that home I was actually speculating that he did it he actually killed his
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daughters first and maybe and then waited for her kept them in their rooms or or tucked away somewhere yeah because
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she gets home around two mm-hmm so you're talking about it's only a couple hours a few hours
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before he leaves to put them in their resting spots you know what's what's weird here too
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amongst all this other chaos um there were some of his friends that came forward to state that it it may
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have been a rage because they felt that Chris was smart and that if he planned the whole thing he likely would have
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never got caught yeah but just because you wear glasses doesn't make you smart I mean a lot of people assume people are
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look I think the fact that he's telling his work hey I'm not going to be in tomorrow I'm going to go to the job site
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first and that site was the resting spot to me that's that kind of shows the whole plan laid out like yeah
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not just like well I I figured out how to dump them later because I knew I was going there anyways so I should just
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dump them there right but to me that's very calculated so that's where I I lean towards the fact that he he
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killed his daughters first because hey I gotta get this done and then she gets home and then I gotta kill her and then
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I gotta get them all ready to get them out to this job site right and I think you're right I think the the taking on
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that job at the last minute and really pushing that he be the only one at that job site that points the most to me as
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premeditation the thing I think here regardless of how smart some of his friends may think he is and if he were
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capable of getting away with it because it looks to me like his plan was to dispose of their bodies there and then
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it's after work go home clean up the house remove shenan's belongings and probably some of the children's
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belongings he's likely going to want to make it look like they were either taken
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from some you know by someone or that they left on their own and his his whole Alibi is well I was gone at
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work the whole day while they either took off on their own or somebody got to them right what he didn't plan for was
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her friend being so concerned that she dropped by the house and as you said gut feeling raise the alarm you know and
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called police stopped by the doctor's office to see that she had not in fact shown up for her 10 o'clock appointment
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[Music] thank you foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] we're back cheers Nate cheers Captain
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the other thing we got to call in a question here is motive or how much of a motive there was for these murders why
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did it happen at all I mean we know the obvious reasons right the affair maybe wanting
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out of his marriage uh but was there also a financial motive you know you talked about some of the
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problems they were having yeah and in fact Nicole kessinger told police that Chris was very stressed out about money
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now we know that shenan handled the finances but there were definitely Financial issues that's what he said
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yeah that's what he says right uh we know that there were Financial issues going on in fact finances were the one
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thing that anyone who knew the couple well said that they argued about now the Watsons filed for bankruptcy in 2015.
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they were 448 thousand dollars in debt Chris had to sell his car since the bankruptcy case closed in October of
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2015 they got themselves into financial trouble again at the time of shenan's death this is so
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ridiculous because first of all the fact the fact that we live in a country that
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you can rack up almost 500 000 worth of debt a debt that that will be wipe clean
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yeah you're gonna lose a couple of your items but there's a four hundred thousand dollar house that you live in
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that they didn't take away that they still got to live in I mean it's just that's ridiculous to me
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well at the time of of her death at the time of you know this murder their credit cards were pretty much maxed out
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you know with with eight thousand to ten thousand dollar balances well no [ __ ]
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because if you file bankruptcy and you have to pay it back the first time what makes you think that you're gonna have
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to pay it back the second time it turns out there are largest creditors were Toys R Us and Ford Motor Company
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the mortgage on the 400 000 house was sizable with a monthly payment of 207 sorry two thousand seven hundred dollars
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Chris says shenan wanted the house he wanted to downsize they hadn't paid their mortgage in three months and
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received a delinquency letter from Chase now even though shenan at some point took ten thousand dollars out of Chris's
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401k to pay mortgage payments right Chris told Nicole the couple was quote house poor and that their lifestyle was
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not sustainable yeah he had life insurance policies on both the girls for twenty five thousand dollars each and
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then on shenan it looks like there was it I have a little question on what the amount was for shanann but I saw reports
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of as little as fifty thousand dollars all the way up to a hundred thousand dollars
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but still that might not have been the motive as far as the insurance policy right because maybe that gets you a
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little bit out of debt but it's also if he is telling the truth which who I don't believe him about [ __ ] really but
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if he's saying look she controlled the finances and and she pulled money and she charged things if she wanted to
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his motive his motive could have just been to stop the financial bleeding and she's the one causing the financial
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bleeding in his mind yeah I mean he would tell people that she was an overspender
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and he made references to her shopping habits saying that she you know she had to have everything that she saw and she
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needed to purchase a lot of things to look like the perfect family yeah there's a lot of keeping up with the
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Joneses here and a lot of fake narrative well and the girls went to a private school which was rather pricey was like
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500 a week and I think that was per child and then we have a third child on the way
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I guess there was a uh expensive neck surgery which was likely I mean necessary and needed possibly but again
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what what if there is some hint of like hypochondriac right and it's like this surgery that you don't really need but
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you have convinced everybody else that you need it and I know that seems extreme
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but I've heard of cases married couple that the wife goes to Mexico to get stuff removed because they
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won't remove it in the States because that's how delusional she got about her which is a hypochondriac well this
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surgery was for a compressed disc it cost a hundred thousand dollars with their insurance and they owed 25 000 out
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of pocket I'm sure you know some of this was covered somewhere along the way we don't need to get too far into that but
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they had outstanding student loans I mean it's just it's it it's on and on and on and on and on
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but either way I mean you're you're in a marriage that maybe you fall out of love
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you're in a marriage that the person's spending a lot more money you're not managing your money correctly you
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already went bankrupt this is no reason for murder well of course you know you have a mistress no
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reason for murder there's no reason to take your chat your children's life right I mean it's just
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I understand his parents trying to find excuses and his parents trying to find something
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that makes sense and it might be possible that he was under so much stress that he just
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stabbed but snapped for a period not killed these people in Rage but snapped in a period And if I do this and I kill
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them this will be all over with well it is all over with well and I mean his mother for the longest time and I
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believe still to this day you know but regardless but for the longest time she was standing behind the
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idea that shenan was responsible for the deaths of the two girls right and then Chris retaliated that he that he went
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and then killed her you know now I mean obviously there's no motive great enough
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we're just exploring what these possibilities are because there are you know throughout history and we've talked
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about several of them on this show there are what law enforcement deem and title
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um family annihilators and Chris Watts to me fits this profile like a lot of the stuff going on in his world now
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these are choices he made this isn't he's not a victim here these this isn't [ __ ] that just started happening to him
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these are all choices he made as a grown man but things going on in his world he's not a man but you know what I mean
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whatever but but the things going on in his life at the time of these murders it all
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seems to fit stories that we've heard before in similar situations with these family annihilators I mean very much so
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like the Scott Pearson case I mean so much so and I I don't know if I want to spoil this but
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his we have the Google searches from the girlfriend right Nicole and before she goes to the police
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I think it's before she goes to the police she Googles Scott Peterson yeah yeah and Scott Peterson's mistress
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and then this this is this is Eerie to me and there's something really wrong here
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and this makes me it makes me question even more because she Googles one do people like
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Scott Pearson's mistress anymore do they hate her right right but she oh Amber fry yeah Amber fry yeah she yeah and I'm
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sorry to laugh but I thank God I'm able to because I this is a heavy case man a heavy heavy case and I just needed that
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little that little sigh of relief there after some of the stuff that we've discussed here but like you said man she
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is searching whether people still hated or whether people hated Amber Frye yeah and I look is that uh is that a
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reasonable thing to search yeah okay I'm gonna I'll give it to you because you're going to the cops right
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this is before you go to the cops and you go I was with this married man I knew it was wrong uh I didn't think he
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was going to kill her I didn't think he was going to kill his daughters how cute is it now that he's a father
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right right so she has to go to the cops is it that wrong that she searches that because if
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this hits the media like it's already has but if it blows up like the Chris um like the Scott Peterson case
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are people going to hate me okay I'll give you that one but when you Google how much Amber fry got for her book deal
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oh yeah yeah use a giant flaming pile of [ __ ] and and then I think she did a big article on People
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magazine oh I didn't see that how much you get paid for that one yeah you giant piece
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of [ __ ] like look you should not be a okay there's a crime here did you cause the crime now but you're
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part of it and if you're a part of it you shouldn't get paid for anything that's the way it should work oh you I
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mean they might have paid her a million dollars to do a story with People magazine do
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you deserve a million dollars you have giant pile of dog [ __ ] no you don't you're a scumbag for sleeping with the
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married man your your scumbag once you find out that she's pregnant I mean the more and more
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she find out about it at some point you should cut this off you're part of the problem if if there's
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like you said if there is this new term which eventually maybe we'll get to maybe
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we'll have this thing where it's you know a guy gets himself into this situation he he becomes a family
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Annihilator new term that's not a new term no what I'm saying is like I mean what what yeah but you're identifying
00:34:01
like a couple people but what I'm saying is like do they have like a clear definition of
00:34:08
like what causes one of these individuals well no they just fall into a category you know you have serial
00:34:14
murders you have mass murders you have family annihilators uh the list goes on and on right but what I'm saying is that
00:34:22
if you're the mistress then you're again you're a part of the problem and by being part of the problem you shouldn't
00:34:30
profit off this yeah and where I mean where someone might be able to argue Google searching
00:34:38
whether Amber or Frye is a hated person or still hated person might look as maybe she could be another victim in
00:34:46
this whole mess but like you said the the checking out the how much money did Amber Fry's book deal amount to is
00:34:55
something completely different no and then look on top of that if you just look at the two cases I mean Amber Frye
00:35:03
did not know Scott Pearson was not married in her mind was not told that he was married
00:35:11
this you know it's a whole different thing with Nicole you work with this guy you know he's married he's telling you
00:35:17
he's separated well she attempted to delete every trace of her relationship with Chris from her phone before she
00:35:24
went to police and you know on Monday afternoon when she you know got word that Shannon and the girls were missing
00:35:31
she ran Google search for can cops Trace text messages and then another for how long do cell phone companies keep text
00:35:41
messages yeah and like I said I mean it's one of those things where the part of me does feel bad for
00:35:50
but when you're searching that stuff it's almost like okay well I'm going to go to the cops hey is there any way I
00:35:56
can make a profit off this like come on be better than that you're better than that
00:36:02
well on on that night Chris Watts brought his little girls home from a birthday party they had pizza and candy
00:36:10
and facetimed Chris's dad then Chris showered both girls gave them a bedtime snack and put them to bed he
00:36:17
was seen grilling alone in his backyard at around 7 15 p.m he spoke with Nicole for two hours that night ignoring calls
00:36:26
from shenan at the airport in Arizona and then texted his wife at 11 21 PM holy crap sorry I passed out on the
00:36:35
couch shenan entered the home at 1 48 a.m what exactly happened after that we will likely never know but what we do
00:36:45
know is that sometime between 1 48 a.m and 5 27 a.m by then all three were murdered by the man that was supposed to
00:36:54
love them the most or go and protect them yes or at least the the man that they likely loved the most
00:37:03
on November 6 2018 three months after annihilating his family Chris Watts pled guilty to nine felonies three counts of
00:37:12
first degree murder two counts of murdering a child one count of unlawful termination of a pregnancy and three
00:37:20
counts of tampering with a deceased human body in court he was forced to say guilty allowed nine times
00:37:28
calling the crime the most inhumane and vicious he had ever seen in his career the judge sentenced Chris Watts to five
00:37:36
terms of life without parole once again the whole sentencing is on video you can
00:37:42
watch every second of it well in a nice irony uh here's something that I found to be a
00:37:52
little interesting all right Chris Watts who murdered his wife and children and one of the reasons may have been because
00:37:59
he was tired of being regimented and directed you know his whole life was documented on social media his wife
00:38:08
called the shots and his work documented every move he made in his vehicle well he's now sitting in a prison being told
00:38:16
what to do every minute of the day and he'll never have to worry about money again if that was one of the motives
00:38:23
right except that he is being forced to pay restitution to his wife's family so he will have to work that off in prison
00:38:31
and in Colorado thanks to him the proposed Nico's law will make killing an unborn baby a first degree murder
00:38:40
yeah it should be and but I've also heard a lot of rumors that it's not going to be nice for uh
00:38:47
Chris in prison it's not going to be just sleeping in having a good time cable TV having a good time well I think
00:38:57
no no what I mean by that is like prison prison sucks but what I've heard is that
00:39:04
um they've had to take they were taking precautions early on because when the prisoners found out where he was staying
00:39:13
they were getting excited they want to get to them oh yeah because not only He's A Marked Man yeah you killed these
00:39:19
innocent children and he killed your unborn baby I mean you you're you're beyond a piece of [ __ ]
00:39:27
I mean well I I hope him and Casey Anthony just burn in hell well and I'd piss I'd piss on their
00:39:38
graves and I'll tell you that in a sick irony Chris Watts has been receiving hundreds
00:39:45
of letters from romantic admirers in prison those are those are a bunch of little pieces of [ __ ] these are love
00:39:52
letters and sexy photos sent to uh an admitted family Annihilator yeah yeah I mean
00:39:59
that scumbag are you save that information let me let me show you my titties you scumbag I mean come on they
00:40:07
shouldn't allow that stuff anyways I I you lost your you lost any privilege you lost your damn freedom because you
00:40:17
took somebody else's life so you lost your privilege to get any letter or mail from some sicko that wants to go Oh I
00:40:25
thought he was pretty cute yeah pretty cute till he suffocates you well I never understood I never
00:40:32
understood that I I never losers I never will now on the other end of the spectrum we have Nicole kessinger who
00:40:41
has apparently received so many death threats that it's been reported that she is being provided with Federal
00:40:47
Protection and possibly maybe she might get a new identity well and as like I said as much as I don't like the Google
00:40:55
searches you know uh I I do feel bad that she got mixed up in this but again you know sometimes you pay for your
00:41:06
actions you you pay for your decisions and so think about this you know you these people sometimes think it's just
00:41:17
you know I'm at work here's this guy he's married maybe he's separated maybe he's not he's given me a little
00:41:23
attention I like that well be careful for what you wish for because something that you just think is
00:41:31
good that feeds your ego a little bit could wrap you up in a mess that you don't want to be involved in well I take
00:41:39
some satisfaction captain and I'm pissed off man I take some satisfaction in the
00:41:44
fact that the the people that seem to for whatever reason there is and there's no good ones admire Chris
00:41:53
Watts the individuals that want to harm him and cause him pain they are the ones
00:41:59
on the inside with him and they are the ones closest to him foreign [Applause] [Music]
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