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Brian Randall Schaffer grew up in Pickerington Ohio a suburb of Columbus he is the oldest of Randy and Rene
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Schafer's two sons Brian graduated from high school in 1997 and went on to attend the Ohio State University six
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years later he graduated with a degree in microbiology in 2004 he began studies at Ohio State's College of Medicine
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during his second year of studies in March of 2006 his mother Renee sadly passed away due to cancer Brian's
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friends say that although he appeared to be handling it fairly well her death was very hard for him but
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Brian had a lot of friends to help and support him he also became romantically involved with a fellow second-year
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medical student Alexis Wagner she along with their families and friends believed that Brian
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would probably be proposing to her most likely on a trip to Miami the couple planned for the beginning of April On
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February March thirty first classes at Ohio State ended for spring break the next week Brian and his father Randy
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Shaffer celebrated the occasion by going out for a steak dinner that evening Randy noted that Brian seemed exhausted
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from his studies and cramming for some important exams at 9:00 p.m. Brian met his friend Clint
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Florence at the ugly Tunis Aluna a bar in the South Campus gateway complex on High Street
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an hour later Brian called his girlfriend Alexis she was away returning to her hometown in Toledo about a two
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and a half hour drive from Brian's location to visit with her family before she and Brian were due to depart for
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Miami from there Brian and Clint went bar-hopping visiting several other drinking establishments and working
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their way down to the arena district at each stop the two had one shot each according to Clint after midnight the
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two met Clint's friend Meredith Reed in the Short North she gave them a ride back to the ugly tuna so Luna and the
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three of them went into the bar for one last round of drinks at some point Brian
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separated from his friends saying he was going to go talk to the band as closing time was approaching Clinton
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Meredith say they were looking for Bryan and calling him repeatedly unable to find him they left the bar with the
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other patrons when the bar closed at 2:00 a.m. then they waited outside for Bryan but never saw him they assumed he
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had gone back to his apartment without letting them know Brian's girlfriend Alexis and his father Randy Schaeffer
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both tried to call Bryan later that weekend but he did not answer on the morning of Monday April 3rd Bryan missed
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the flight to Miami that he and Alexis had scheduled long before at that time 27 year old Brian Schaeffer was reported
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missing to the Columbus Police Department [Music] the investigation led police back to the
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ugly tuna bar where Brian was last seen the South Campus gateway bar had security cameras detectives reviewed the
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footage which showed Brian Clint and Meredith going up an escalator to the bars main entrance at 1:15 a.m. then
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Brian could be seen again this time outside of the bar around 155 am talking briefly with two young women the two
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women leave and the Brian is seen moving off camera in the direction of the bar apparently to re-enter later
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Clint told police that he had seen Brian after he returned inside the bar and they were planning to leave but he lost
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track of him however what investigators could not find on the security camera footage was
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Brian leaving the bar when the ugly tuna closed to add to the mystery back at Brian's apartment on King Avenue just
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six blocks away from the ugly tuna his car was found still parked outside inside the apartment nothing seemed out
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of place and nothing appeared to be missing fliers of Brian's picture showing a stick-figure tattoo on his
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upper right arm were distributed and the Columbus Police Department was asking the public for their help the
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stick-figure tattoo is from the cover artwork for the song alive by Pearl Jam broken-hearted Alexis called Brian's
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cellphone every evening before going to bed for a long time after the disappearance usually it went directly
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to voicemail but one night in September it actually rang three times a ping from the phone
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was detected at a cell tower in Hilliard just fourteen miles northwest of Columbus singular Brian's wireless
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provider said what Alexis heard may have been due to a computer glitch in September of 2008 during a heavy
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windstorm in central Ohio Brian's father Randy Schaeffer was out in his yard clearing debris a branch broke off from
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a nearby tree and fatally struck him neighbors found his body the next morning and called police after Randy's
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obituary ran online a condolence book was posted one of the signatures posted read to dad love Brian
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US Virgin Islands this suggested Brian might have left Columbus for a new life elsewhere however upon further
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investigation the note was found to have been posted from a computer accessible to the public in the greater Central
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Ohio area and it was determined to be a hoax [Music] Brian Schaffer has been missing since
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April 1st of 2006 he is Caucasian six foot two inches tall with light brown hair and hazel eyes at the time of his
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disappearance he was approximately 165 to 170 pounds he was wearing jeans a short sleeve polo shirt over a white
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long sleeve shirt white Adidas sneakers and a yellow cancer awareness bracelet Brian was 27 years old at the time of
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his disappearance in 2006 but recently would have celebrated his 40th birthday authorities do not believe Brian left of
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his own accord but it is unclear what caused his disappearance if you have any information concerning this case please
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contact the Columbus Police Department at 877 six four five eight four seven seven if you do not wish to speak to the
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police you can submit your tip to the Central Ohio Crime Stoppers at stop crime org or call them at six one four
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four six one eight four seven seven [Music] [Music] back in 2016 we covered the missing-persons case of Brian Schaeffer
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and it has since become one of our red light cases one of our favorite missing-persons cases that has intrigued
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us and the listeners throughout the years joining us today in the garage we're so happy to see you guys longtime
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friends of the show Tim and Lance from crawlspace for missing Marv Murray from how many podcasts you guys have like 10
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now all of them except this one okay and I actually I just heard that they bought
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half of our show oh but the sale is currently in the works so by the time this episode is over my half you bought
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my half yeah well welcome to the garage guys thank you very much it's beautiful yeah thanks for having us it's a lot
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more cozy than I anticipated it's very nice here could you tell us a little bit about your projects first with the crawl
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space and then missing Mara Marie sure I'm Tim and we we cover a lot of missing person cases we cover some murder cases
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we kind of bounce around a little bit on crawl space but we will do kind of comprehensive looks into certain cases
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like Brianna Maitland for one and we also do missing more Amaury that is a 98 episodes
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deep at the current moment on the missing Maura Marie and with crawlspace we try to speak with people who are
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like-minded in in this genre so criminal psychologists investigative journalists
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other podcasters whether it's you know true crime podcasters or maybe somebody that has a connection to it and so yeah
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we try to be sort of a little bit more all-encompassing with crawlspace there's also empty frames which season one was
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about the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum heist in Boston which is probably the most significant art heist in
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history at least in America and we moved on from season 1 to season 2 we just started covering other art heists other
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art crimes other significant moments in in art history because we didn't realize
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how much we really liked it when we were when we were due empty frames and we made a bunch of
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connections and these people would email us stories say what did you know about this one did you know about this did you
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know that this is a fake and they thought it was real so it really it really kind of piqued our interest so
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regarding the missing-persons case of Brian Schaeffer I liken you guys to missing-persons
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experts 90 some episodes of missing Mara Marie captain and I have been longtime listeners of that show
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thank you do you guys remember the first time you heard about the Shafer case I think it was from you guys actually a
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couple years ago I remembered seeing the video of it and I don't even know where
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I saw the surveillance video and then yes I made the connection after hearing you guys cover the case and then I
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realized oh that video that I saw that guy who left the bar and he was sort of on the edge of the frame of the
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surveillance video oh that's that guy and I can't remember when that video was released or where I saw it but that that
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was the first time and it was I guess maybe it was like five or six years ago there was like a nine minute segment on
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a national show years ago yeah yeah case any of your anything that jumps off the
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page to you guys immediately any red flags just from your initial reaction when you first learned about this
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missing persons case because all these cases the you guys discuss on your show that we discuss on our show they're all
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unique in their own way they all have their whys and how's and and what ifs that you go into but any first reactions
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that you remember having or first thoughts regarding this case confusion and it's this has really got to be one
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of the most perplexing missing person cases that I've ever looked into because the other cases that we cover like more
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Amari Branham 8 Lynne and we're dipping our toe into Brandon loss in a little bit I feel like they have outcomes that
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are a little more grass grabbable graspable this one is just I don't know I mean I've been batting around ideas in
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my head and it's very confusing one thing that is really confusing to me is that like Tim said we
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more Murray Brianna Maitland Brandon Lawson so you have a single person in a single incident not surrounded by
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anybody else that that is in the immediate vicinity you know there might be a house or two here there but with
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with Brian Schaeffer he's in a bar that's very busy and there's a lot of people and he he leaves and you have
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security footage of him leaving and going back in one time and then there's there's no security footage of his
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actual exit that was you know led to his disappearance so all of these things Heaney talked to the band you know all
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of these things were like well this person doesn't really seem like they intended to disappear did he slip and
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get into an accident and there's no real circumstance in his life that you can absolutely pinpoint and say well this is
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why he's he's leaving like there's nothing in his life that is any different from the things that have
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happened in my life or other people's lives right and they haven't disappeared I also think with missing person cases
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in general that when we don't have pieces of evidence or we don't know what the story is we tend to start making it
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up and so what's weird with the Brian Schaeffer case is you have to prove there is no evidence that he left the
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bar you see what I'm saying yeah it's like there's a lot of times where it's like you can go well maybe he
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went back to his apartment maybe he went to somebody else's house but you can't there's no evidence of him actually
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leaving the bar safely that night well and what's really truly at the center of this case and I think it's why it became
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such a internet sensation you know is the whole surveillance footage of Brian going into the bar then we see him come
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out briefly speak with some young ladies and then it appears that he's re-entering the bar and I think that the
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whole thing of having no footage and as the captain pointed out no proof that he
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ever left that bar or that building is really the the thing that jumps off the page right away that's I think that the
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quick leap that everybody wants to do and it's just natural is you have less questions about Brian who he is what was
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going on in his life right less questions about who he was with that night or as you said you know he's in a
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public place surrounded by a whole bunch of people shortly before we no longer know where he is and I think that the
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natural reaction and the natural leap is to go I have a lot of questions about this bar I have a lot of questions about
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this building I have a lot of questions about this area which i think is unique to this case yeah what what makes it
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makes it even more unique because this structure was a newer build so it wasn't like some bar that people have been in
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their whole life so even talks around town people would go oh yeah he went missing from the ugly tuna have you been
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there I've never been there does that make any sense yeah that makes a lot of sense because you want to
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somehow identify with it it's just it's another piece of the mystery that you have to put together in your head and
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you have to start there and you have to write you have to start there a general description of this building and bar
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captain let's try to go through that for for everybody so the the bar itself is inside of a
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building the second floor second floor it shares the building with some other businesses it's a lot of things have
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changed with that building throughout the years obviously this case is now 13 years old but so the bar is on the
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second floor there's basically one entrance to and from the bar we'll call that the main entrance to and from the
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bar that goes from the bar to the building to the second floor of the building and then you take the escalator
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up and down to get to the main entrance of the building right so let's just go you you walk through there's a big
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parking garage you park there normally you walk through a courtyard you get to the ugly tuna you go through the main
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doors you have to go up the escalator then there's a little landing platform and then to the right
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is the entrance to the bar once you're in the bar it's basically a square and then there's little patio space outside
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but it's it's a cool patio because you're on the second floor so you can kind of look down onto the courtyard and
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look down on High Street which is the main street of the campus but what law enforcement tells us is what we have
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footage of the escalators and we and what they claim is there is no record of Brian leaving that escalator that night
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the other back way out which would be for the band which would be for service workers of the bar and possibly somebody
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that was in the bar a customer that left the wrong way we know through conversations with the band and some of
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the people that worked there even security that that door the exit door didn't have a camera on it but what it
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did have was there was a long hallway to get to that exit and that had a camera on it and they claimed that there is no
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sign of Brian Schaeffer going down that hallway and that's a straight hallway well I've never been in that hallway
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it's basically again you're on the second floor so it's a hallway that's gonna lead you to a possible elevator or
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stairway right so but we just know that if you take the bar which is basically a
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square that once you leave that front door it'd be kind of hard not to be seen by that escalator and then the back exit
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there's a hallway that that is monitored by a camera and they claim now they never released that footage now I have
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never heard the lead detective Hearst actually talk about the back hallway it was a secondary detective I believe
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detective Edwards he's pretty clear that we don't see Brian on that video at all
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yeah because if they did see him what what do you think the law enforcement response would be to the public that he
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left the bar that right so they think and I you think that law enforcement would
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give an official statement saying we did see him exiting through the through the
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service yeah yeah but let buzz let's be a little more clear too because when you
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go hey this guy never left the bar and we haven't seen him so did he die in the bar was there a was there a foul play
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inside the bar and there is no evidence of that right the bar was super cooperative with the police I believe
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they actually shut down for a couple days and and let them search everywhere and so there's no sign of struggle no
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sign of foul play inside the bar so it's it's almost like poof he vanished into thin air absolutely and to put it in its
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simplest form when we say he he never left the the building he never left the bar we have no proof that he left
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law enforcement took that a step further where we not only is there footage of everyone entering the bar going up the
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escalator they went back and they accounted for every person that they could see going in and every person they
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could see going out Brian being the only one that that they never could locate could never speak to they spoke to
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everybody that was there that night right so much so that there was an individual that they were calling orange
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sweatshirt guy or orange sweater guy right for a while and that's because there was an individual that came into
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the up the escalator they had him on footage and then all of a sudden there's later when they closed there's this
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mysterious individual that they didn't see come into the bar and they could identify that this individual is wearing
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an orange sweater or sweatshirt it took a while but they tracked down that guy and he had what everybody would it's a
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believable story I went into the bar wearing this outfit and I brought my sweatshirt with me I got cold I put it
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on and left with it on that's why I look different may have appeared to be a different person on surveillance footage
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so all these people were accounted for it now there are obviously a lot of theories out there regarding this
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disappearance of Brian Schaeffer but one of the more dominant theories well some of the more dominant theories
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are did someone murder Brian did he kill himself is he still alive you know did did the death of his mother just three
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weeks before the disappearance and the stress of medical school caused him to run away from his life for the longest
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time I thought somehow he got out of the bar even though we don't see him made it
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down the stairs and left the building this obviously would be difficult with the cameras but if he did and this is
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what I've always kind of thought and I believe this was my theory when we first covered it was that this was simply a
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robbery that went bad his apartment was six blocks away it's quite conceivable being drunk and missing his ride after
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the bar closes that he would just walk home well let's go through that for a second - so Brian goes up the escalator
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he's with his friend Meredith in klindt two friends that he was been out drinking with all night and he's pretty
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flirty with some women at the ugly tuna at some point they're gone hey Brian we gotta go and he goes I'm gonna go talk
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to the band they then say we they didn't see him maybe he went to the bathroom they I believe they claim that they
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checked the bathroom and they also called Brian I think several times to let him know hey we're leaving and plus
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the bar is closing so they don't hear from him so they take off we we have them on footage leaving the parking
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garage I do want to point out something real quick here - on that note captain regarding them saying his friends
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Meredith and Clint saying well we checked the restrooms we're looking for our friend right the layout of the bar
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is such that the restrooms there's a very little hallway I mean it's like two steps into this hallway and you very
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quickly can enter the women's restroom or the men's restroom that little hallway containing the restrooms is very
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close to the main entrance of the bar right so it's not like they went to the other side of the bar check the
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restrooms and he could have slipped out the front door without them the friends seeing them they would have been in a
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prime position had he been either using the restroom in the restroom or or attempting to leave but also this bar is
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such a square that if you walk into the front entrance and there's a little bit of a nook that
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you have to get into the bar but once you're actually into the bar you can pretty much see the whole layout of the
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bar so if your friend was way over in the corner you could see him so very strange and then for the longest time we
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didn't know what the name of the band was and luckily with a new let's say investigator on the case
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Nikolas West he was able to come out and say hey we know the name of the band and
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the band is called rock house and we were able to actually talked with all three individuals and they didn't have
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check out the podcast survival so Brian wanted to talk to the band at like 1:55 or something that's what I've
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read and the bar closes it to so so around 155 ish he is last seen going to talk to the band and you just said that
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the band has no recollection of speaking to him and the bar closes at 2:00 there's a bunch of people that are now
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exiting we've all been in bars where it's the end of the night the lights go on and the bouncers go through and the
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staff goes through and they're like all right everybody out right so no one sees
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him from after 1:55 and no one sees him after 2:00 to when the entire bar is evacuated would not evacuated but
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cleared I and here's the thing is I'd actually argue so let's just go through a little bit of what the guitar player
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told me okay and I actually played with this guy in a band for I want to say at least five years this guy was very
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meticulous on how he loaded in his gear how he unloaded gear he was the utmost professional and I learned so I mean 10
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years older than me but I it's like you play a gig with him and you go oh that's
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how it's done and the guy would get to the gig pull up his car to whatever that the entrance was unload his stuff and at
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the end of the night whether he took his guitar out to the car first or his guitar amp out to the car first he
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almost did it the same way every time you played with him it was like and so I said hey what do you know about that
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night he goes well I know I was there I know I don't remember much but they did have a handful of friends that came out
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to party with them because it was around springtime and everybody's like hey let's go check out rock house and I
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believe it was like maybe the second time they ever played there they had to go through this back way which there was
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no camera on and he remembered that there was no camera on the back because people was ask him over and over hey you
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were there the night Brian Schaeffer went missing was there camera on the back door he's like no there wasn't but
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they have the the ban on footage going down that hallway or that's what the detectives claim so he says they're
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talking he didn't doesn't remember talking to a guy he also is the type of guy that
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wouldn't give a guy much of time to talk like oh you want to talk about guitar I
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don't really care so he loaded up his stuff he remembers having an explorer at the time and as he's loading up their
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Explorer his buddy's not like customers left the same way he left and they were all around his car and he also states
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there's three guys in the band they left the same way all of our buddies left the
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same way and people that worked in the bar left that way so there was a herd of people that left through that back
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entrance and I wonder if that's where the detectives are missing something do they have to be missing something when
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they say that everybody was accounted for that's not accurate they can't that can't be possible because maybe that's
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true Brian got out of the bar it's true right if well if well how would he get out of the bar without being seen on
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either one of those cameras I don't know right so if he didn't get out of the bar
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and he didn't crawl up into the ceiling tiles yeah I was gonna ask about the roof I mean I like harkens to ELISA Lam
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a little bit but was there obviously searches of the roof and things like that I'm sure that's interesting because
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I don't think we've ever gone to that type of discussion actually with anybody I've talked about this case a thousand
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times what about the restroom is there a window because now you're saying the roof okay so no window so how would he
00:34:34
get to the roof so we're regarding the band situation the the the stage itself is like you know it's not like separated
00:34:43
from the crowd anyone can just walk right up to this little stage and talk to the band at any time the the two
00:34:50
times that I have been there it's not uncommon for people in the crowd to be handing people on stage drinks so there
00:34:58
is a lot of little interaction right so it's not unheard of that Brian very well
00:35:03
could have spoke to anyone in the band maybe everyone in the band and they not recall him because he's just another guy
00:35:09
at the bar just another twenty-something that they talked to 50 different people
00:35:14
that look like him that night well and well and we're all dudes I mean let's be honest if you're playing guitar and
00:35:20
there's a bunch of girls there to talk to you are you gonna take the time out to talk to them or some dude you never
00:35:26
met but it's also the type of bar that they the management did not you know frown upon the the band getting nice and
00:35:36
toasted why they were there as well so the there is one little there is an interesting thing that I that I've
00:35:43
recently heard on this case is there was another exit from the bar and that was a
00:35:50
fire exit now so this would be one that is clearly marked this as you know if you open this door the alarm will sound
00:35:57
okay you know so it's not really a public entrance or exit the interesting I think that I heard recently and I have
00:36:06
no way of verifying this but someone that was there that night someone the that spoke with Brian and this would be
00:36:15
one of the women that were outside that we see him on surveillance footage at 1:55 go outside and talk to okay
00:36:22
just outside of the bar still inside the building she has said that it was somewhat common knowledge to the
00:36:30
regulars of the ugly tuna that that you could open that fire exit without any alarm actually sounding then and let me
00:36:40
stop you there it it doesn't have to be common for regulars it like Brian wasn't
00:36:47
really a regular there but all he had to do is see somebody do it once that night
00:36:51
that's right he's like I'm so drunk he ignored the sign right true and and and right it's i before what I've been told
00:37:01
that fire exit will lead into what is the construction what would have been the construction area at that time is
00:37:09
that behind the building so captain helped me out with that that would have I thought they I taught a lot about this
00:37:17
like I said it's a new new or build so a lot of people talked about that there was construction happening
00:37:23
some of the restaurants and the building weren't complete yet some of the stores
00:37:29
weren't complete yet that speculation is kind of had thrown out the window recently claiming that the stores for
00:37:38
the most part were done there was some construction going on some light construction some dry walling and stuff
00:37:44
like that the major construction was in the basement that there was I don't believe that the stores were separated
00:37:54
yet in the basement and I think they were trying to separate those to give them possibly storage now talking with
00:38:01
the ban they said hey there was some construction but not anything that you're gonna like fall in a pit to your
00:38:10
death and now this has been put out in the public lately and people have been you put this out on the Internet and a
00:38:21
lot of people come back going you know well you don't know for sure and because that's one of the big things on the
00:38:26
internet is that he fell into a hole and got drywall to over or fell until hole and they put cement on him or he he fell
00:38:36
somewhere and accidentally died in the construction company buried him inside the building and to cover it up this is
00:38:44
interesting I'm looking at this on Google Earth the building and so the parking garage has always been there
00:38:50
correct and that's behind it and it's right on a corner so the construction was in like the little courtyard here on
00:38:58
the side so it looks like you can walk through a courtyard where they probably have tables right it doesn't what I'm
00:39:04
saying is I don't see an area where a construction site would be so big and and sort of treacherous dangerous yeah
00:39:10
let's see yeah there were no like like big holes there were there was nothing that he could have fallen into or
00:39:17
anything like that I mean I it's hard to believe no matter how drunk he is it's hard to believe he could impale himself
00:39:24
or somehow accidentally kill himself while walking through that and then all of a sudden what happens so the next
00:39:31
person who saw him just took him we're talking about search sites yeah once they you know a couple days after
00:39:38
he goes missing we have hundreds of people in that area in that bar searching so I don't think it's that
00:39:46
far-fetched that the guy could have had an accident and hurt himself I don't think it's that far-fetched but what's
00:39:53
far fetch is the building's not huge I mean and if you have hundreds of people searching for them they're gonna they're
00:40:02
gonna come across an injured Brian Schaeffer so right so yeah it's not far-fetched for someone to get into an
00:40:10
accident hit their head did I hurt I mean even if he fell and hit his head though the wrong way and and it kills
00:40:17
him so then what happened to his body where saw that I have a hard time believing that a management group of a
00:40:27
bar while it would look very bad would suddenly turn to cover cover cover this body up let's dispose of it I find it
00:40:36
really hard that normal people would go so far left of center and and deviate off of the regular way of thinking and
00:40:46
not have one person say guys we should just call the cops and and we'll work this out I mean there might be a lawsuit
00:40:52
but we'll figure this out they weren't gonna be culpable for his death you know I don't like I mean if they were weren't
00:40:59
I mean you normal people have that conversation right I mean I guess legally there's maybe an argument but
00:41:04
it's like in that scenario it's not like whoever approached him or found him killed him so why would yeah it's really
00:41:11
hard to wrap your head around the idea that someone came across a deceased Brian Schaeffer and like did something
00:41:20
with his body called a friend you know went to bury him or one person's not doing that now and and to makes it more
00:41:28
unlikely to because then you have two people involved - right - or more that's why I've always wanted you guys to look
00:41:33
into this case because it's funny to me that somebody can look into a case like this and then make the leap that these
00:41:41
construction workers that we don't know who they are we make the leap that they came across
00:41:47
a guy that had an accident and he's dead and they covered it up or there is some
00:41:53
thought that they constructed over him on accident right they didn't see him but as we just discussed this isn't an
00:41:59
area where we're talking about huge pits and and you know deep crevices or anything like that there or that it
00:42:07
wasn't checked right and and the other thing too that we should keep in mind and I understand that you know everybody
00:42:13
has their own work schedule but he's last seen at 1:55 ish he entered that you know they're out partying on a
00:42:22
Friday night so now this is very early Saturday morning he's missing legitimately missing by her
00:42:30
law enforcement by Monday morning so if if nobody was working on that construction on Saturday Sunday the law
00:42:38
enforcement was back in that building I would say what by noon at the latest right I mean that was the first place
00:42:46
they I mean they made it couldn't make a couple phone calls and then they go straight to that building to look for
00:42:51
this individual on Monday on Monday so it seems unlikely to the that he would be overlooked and accidentally
00:42:59
constructed over yeah and also cadaver dogs were brought to the scene and they didn't hit on anything right from my
00:43:05
understanding so that would tell you that that he probably wasn't constructed over so regarding that jumping back to
00:43:14
that fire exit that led to the the construction area and there was an exit you could walk through the construction
00:43:20
construction area and exit the building and the detectives exact words are that would be a difficult area to walk
00:43:30
through sober but the work I think people make the giant leap when they hear somebody say that difficult doesn't
00:43:36
mean like doesn't right yeah that it's a life-or-death situation battle conditions you know it's it could just
00:43:44
be you could trip and fall you know or it could be difficult to navigate your way but the thing is even though someone
00:43:51
could go out that door now what I've been told and what I've heard through interviews with the detectives involved
00:43:59
in this case is there and I found this to be strange there was no camera on that door that you could
00:44:06
access from the fire exit through the construction area however what law enforcement has said on the record that
00:44:12
they did was they went to surrounding two neighboring buildings and businesses that would have had surveillance in the
00:44:20
area and they could determine through that that they they have no reason to believe that he left through that door
00:44:28
so oh that was actually one of my questions the police looked at all the footage from surveillance cameras CCTV
00:44:40
that were available that's why were available in the neighborhood in both directions and found nothing right he's
00:44:46
on the roof he's got to be on the roof I mean where does this person go how how in the world does this person unless he
00:44:53
changed and put on like a scarf around his face or something he a hoodie something well but welcome sight one
00:45:02
particular specific incident where there were I believe there was a scent that the dogs hit on and it was in the
00:45:10
direction of the Wendy's restaurant which I don't I don't know the particulars of where that would have
00:45:18
been I think it might be across the street right what was that a dog that was tracking Brian's sense or I was at a
00:45:25
cadaver dog they the law enforcement later told his father Randy that it was probably just a fluke II thing that they
00:45:34
don't think that the dog was actually hitting on something regarding Brian that it might have been hitting on just
00:45:39
the weight right yeah it been the reason why he was able to tell Randy that is I
00:45:45
do know that they did review footage from the Wendy's restaurant so and again found nothing to give anyone reason to
00:45:54
believe that he walked in that direction and Columbus Ohio has a lot of surveillance cameras from what I
00:46:00
understand as well so he would have been picked up at some points on camera when
00:46:06
he was walking home right I don't know how far they went into that yeah or some of these stores
00:46:14
at that time because canvas was kind of going through a they were revamping it so is there make it up a little bit
00:46:22
nicer a little more college friendly renovating a little more friendly for everyone actually it was not so friendly
00:46:29
of a place at 3:00 in the morning on a Saturday right you did dress in the 90s you know yeah but if you look at it now
00:46:36
you'd be like mild walked anywhere at 4:00 o'clock in the morning down there so regarding where his apartment is in
00:46:43
relationship to the ugly tuna saloon a bar it's my belief that once he got off the main strip there he six blocks away
00:46:53
down King Avenue and the the businesses there's not many on King Avenue there's a big Church there's a whole bunch of
00:47:03
like apartments and these are this is kind of an old area an old Street old buildings old apartments it's my belief
00:47:14
and I'm a very firm on this is that once he got off that main strip I don't think
00:47:19
there would have been any surveillance right or much to pick him up or anyone one thing I can't get out of my head is
00:47:28
you know when you're in a bar when you're in a location or anywhere you know you're often being videotaped and
00:47:34
you don't know you don't you don't know it you're not aware of it and furthermore you don't know where you are
00:47:39
on the frame so if you're trying to hide from a surveillance camera that you don't know what the frame is right how
00:47:46
are you gonna do that it seems impossible right well I'm like I was saying before we law enforcement
00:47:52
released the footage of the escalator and I believe at some point right after he went missing there was a website I
00:48:01
believe they would send you to and it was like an hour long footage who's basically 15 minutes before the bar
00:48:09
closed an hour later and I remember watching the whole hour or whatever was released to the public now it's just
00:48:17
like a couple short clips you see the clip of him going up the escalator you see him talking to the two girls just
00:48:23
outside the bar and then you see him you see some people leaving barbar you don't see Brian obviously but
00:48:30
they've never released that back hallway footage and I just wonder I'd really like for them to release both of the
00:48:38
footages because I think now with people with trained eyes or this armchair detectives how many people could sit
00:48:47
there at their work instead of being on Facebook and go through this footage and
00:48:51
maybe pick up on something that they didn't see yeah it's a great point but I think if they were to release those
00:48:57
those videos then you would have people photographed like the band members for example so you'd have to blur their
00:49:04
faces out and then if you put out a video with people's faces being blurred out the people the armchair detectives
00:49:10
are gonna be like how do we know that's not Brian right well why would you blur out somebody's face why wouldn't you
00:49:15
well if you're a law enforcement that's what they do you don't want you don't want regulars you know I approach on
00:49:23
these people and say and I you know I know what you did yeah that's true that's true well and I'm gonna give a
00:49:28
couple statements that are gonna contradict themselves but regarding that back hallway footage let's call it that
00:49:34
okay this back hallway they say they've seen the footage they saw the band they saw other individuals leave through this
00:49:41
area i I've got to believe that there there is no reason I don't find anything weird about them not releasing it I what
00:49:52
what I think we would have here is if they had reason to believe or any type of actual evidence that they believe
00:50:01
that he left the bar alone or left with someone that would be the statement that
00:50:07
that would be the statements that would be because you need the public's help you need someone to you need the public
00:50:13
to get off this idea of the building and the bar and go okay well did I see something on the street then at least
00:50:19
the general direction we saw him walking towards this street it's only weird in this situation because we have this
00:50:25
mystery about someone vanishing into thin air never leaving a bar every other case
00:50:30
where you have a scenario that's exactly the same but there's evidence or something to suggest that they did leave
00:50:38
their location be it alone or with other people what the statement law enforcement always
00:50:43
gives we yeah this individual is missing last seen leaving the bar alone last seen leaving the bar with other
00:50:52
individuals we would not only like information regarding this missing person but we also want to know who
00:50:58
these individuals are that where this person was seen leaving with and so that would be their there's no reason for
00:51:04
them not to release that type of statement so I I think that we can firmly say that there is nothing to
00:51:12
indicate to the investigators that are closest to this case that that they have proof that he left the bar now here's
00:51:20
where I go to the other end of this and kind of contradict this I think that they while they don't have any proof
00:51:28
that he left the bar I think that all of the investigators all the detectives that work this case the longest I think
00:51:37
and they've not they've not been on record to say this I think they all believe that he left the bar and these
00:51:43
are seasoned detectives well and these are smart individuals and the reason why I say that is because we've had at least
00:51:49
one of the detectives that said you know ever since that case anytime I'm in a large crowded area I'm looking for
00:51:58
Brian's face well if you did if he didn't believe that he left the bar he's not looking for Brian's face and you
00:52:03
know in the crowd and police don't often speak metaphorically right he's not saying you know his face haunts me right
00:52:10
yeah missing person cases can mess with you in that way though for sure and make
00:52:14
you think irrational things but I do I do kind of agree that I can see why law enforcement would believe that he is out
00:52:23
there somewhere because he's not in the bar now would he pardon me for mispronouncing this is it
00:52:31
the oullette Olentangy only angie Olentangy would he be crossing that River the Olentangy River on his way home I
00:52:42
don't believe I don't think so route from in not the most direct route from the bar to his house waters not that far
00:52:51
from the bar but when he wouldn't be crossing some bridge because that's the others
00:52:56
- is that you know guys stop to take a piss ax and fell into the into the river yeah I'll get and get swept away yeah
00:53:07
not a trace of him yeah yeah but Brian would have to actually go out of his way to hit any body of water unless he was
00:53:16
but that's the thing though too is if he gets out of the bar so let's put that to
00:53:21
rest their words note there's no sign of struggle there's no sign of foul play when I have talked to security guards
00:53:30
myself they've said that whole idea that somebody couldn't get out of that complex or that bar without being seen
00:53:38
on video footage is absolutely nonsense that's what security has stated that's obviously not what the detectives in
00:53:47
this case have stated it's not incredibly easy but it's not impossible right what they're saying but but when
00:53:53
you I used to play at a bar across the courtyard and I talked to a lot of security guards in a couple of them said
00:53:59
look I bet every weekend there is multiple people that leave that complex without being seen on on footage like a
00:54:08
clear cut oh I know that's so and so that left the bar so there goes the colonel so that's coming from security
00:54:18
guards and then coming from the band they're convinced that when they left that there was customers that there was
00:54:26
their friends there was people that worked at the bar when your buddy tells you a guy that you know really well it
00:54:32
wouldn't surprise me if if Brian was in that group of people when we left what about the parking garage his friends
00:54:40
Clinton Meredith yeah if the camera footage from those two from the parking garage yeah and Clinton Meredith yes
00:54:49
okay okay so there's camera footage of them walking back to their car well the captain to clear that up for me because
00:54:56
I've heard the same thing too that there is camera footage in that parking garage
00:55:00
which which makes sense this is a even to this day now being 13 14 year old parking garage is still very well lit as
00:55:09
it looks brand-new right it's it's bright as all get-out like you there's not a dark corner in that parking garage
00:55:16
but regarding the footage do you know if that's just footage of incoming and outgoing cars and vehicles or is it
00:55:24
footage of people I think you can see some people walking because what they did know and what there's a video
00:55:31
somewhere I think it was like I said or like you were saying earlier this was covered for like 9 to 10 minutes on a
00:55:39
Dateline or 9 to 10 minutes on a 20/20 or something and at some point they have an investigator walking from the parking
00:55:47
garage and we know that they walked through these two pillars and then they walked out the door to the double door
00:55:53
to the courtyard and then they went up the escalator so if you know that they went through these two pillars you're
00:56:02
seeing them on video footage right and so there's a lot of times when I put played that same area where I'd park on
00:56:09
the same side try to walk the same way that they did and and we know from because it's a it's a paid garage so
00:56:20
Clint and Meredith had to have an exit ticket so they have evidence that Clint and Meredith left when they parked there
00:56:30
right when when they said they left right so here's here's a quick little rundown of the end of the night events
00:56:38
as I understand them and now I'm taking some pieces from people's stories and piecing them together to kind of make it
00:56:44
a longer timeline that makes sense to me according to Clint statement is once Brian came back into the bar this is
00:56:53
after talking to the two girls just immediately outside the main entrance to the bar that he saw Brian enter the bar
00:57:00
this is Clint's words on the record we saw him and enter the bar we lost track of him at some point and then before we
00:57:09
knew it was time to leave so let's extend that on both sides a little bit so at some point I the way
00:57:16
that I've envisioned this going down is that Brian says to Clint and or Meredith
00:57:22
I'm going to go talk to the band or keep in mind this is a this would have been a
00:57:28
loud crowded area we know there's a band playing even if it's a break in music there's a lot of people talking and
00:57:34
shouting he could have he could have said I'm going to go talk to fill in the blank right it could have been anything
00:57:41
they could have misheard him what we do know happens is he does go outside it's fact he's seen on camera he goes outside
00:57:49
any talks to two young ladies there is according to their words they exchanged phone numbers I believe they just gave
00:57:59
him their numbers I believe is the way that this goes down they leave those two girls leave they don't go back in the
00:58:07
bar brian is seen moving as such that you would believe that he's reentering the bar you can't physically see him
00:58:15
walk through the doors then we have Clint's statement of we saw Brian re-enter the bar lost track of them then
00:58:23
it's last call it's time to go we're looking for him we checked the restrooms then we go outside with the rest of the
00:58:30
patrons everybody else has assured out through the doors now we're outside waiting around milling about looking for
00:58:36
him waiting for him to appear from leaving the bar and at some point Meredith starts calling Brian's cell
00:58:43
phone and we do know this happened because of one phone records and to somewhere you can hear a voicemail that
00:58:49
she leaves and I think she says something like it's just a real quick one you know where the hell are you you
00:58:55
know it's something like that and this seems all very the way you would think it would go down we've all been in this
00:59:01
situation the only difference is none of us ever went missing none of our friends
00:59:04
ever went missing you know you you get separated and you call them you send a text well let's let's stay on that point
00:59:11
for a second since this is a roundtable discussion have you ever been out with a
00:59:16
group of friends that you you drove to that bar with three people or however many people and you left without one of
00:59:24
them I've been the guy who's who left I've been the guy that left the group yeah I left all of them there what exit
00:59:32
yes for what mostly because what did you say that was I yeah that's when you don't say goodbye
00:59:38
you just you're just a little jerk drunk usually yeah and that's because you know
00:59:42
if you stay you're going to get over that point of like too much drinking and you know your limits so you you you
00:59:51
gracefully exit the situation bow out you bow out now from there I would walk to the train and take the public
01:00:00
transportation back to my boom you're on camera and I'm on camera yeah yeah I'm also I'm also like clearly intoxicated
01:00:10
and still a wit like I can remember doing this so I'm still aware of what I was doing because I left knowing that if
01:00:20
I had one more that would be too much yeah so it wasn't it wasn't like I was crazy blackout drunk I knew that that
01:00:29
would be the case if I stayed well now its more common for a male to do this yes or this to be because I think
01:00:39
sometimes when people look into this case they go I never leave my friend alone and I'd argue yeah I if if a free
01:00:48
if a female friend wanted to stay back and talk to the band I'm not leaving them but if my buddy was like I'm gonna
01:00:55
go talk to the band I'd be cool dude I'm out sometimes sometimes you just lose track you're doing your own thing
01:01:01
though and I think the other question the narrative was always Brian was gonna go on vacation starting Monday and he
01:01:10
was possibly gonna propose to his girlfriend and so the idea that he was trying to hook up with anybody I think
01:01:19
initially was like taboo to say like because he's missing we don't want to say there's evidence of him trying to
01:01:27
hook up with other girls well there isn't you know he might have gotten someone's number drunk but that's not
01:01:33
hooking up with someone well nobody not be cool but but we do have their statement saying that he was
01:01:38
aggressively hitting on them okay and I think that's yo again that that doesn't point to evidence that he was trying to
01:01:46
have a one-night stand with anybody but he's also aggressively flirting with somebody that he didn't know and did he
01:01:54
have somebody else on the side did he have did Brian have an ex-girlfriend that he called for hookups did anyone
01:02:04
hear about that well so there's some speculation lately that his high-school girlfriend which was real close to him
01:02:14
he grew up in Pickerington and she moved away for school and there was a lot of rumors that been coming out lately that
01:02:22
he had only got on again and off again hook up relationship with her so when she come back into town they would hook
01:02:31
up whether or not she had a boyfriend or whether or not he had a girlfriend so but I as far as that night I don't think
01:02:42
she was he I don't even know if she's in town that night what about his mental psychological autopsy yeah what what's
01:02:52
the mindset of somebody so in the thick of Medical School what's that person like outside of going
01:03:03
out and having some shots and and drinking with buddies this is a really driven guy correct yeah absolutely sit
01:03:09
what he was in in college University for six years at that point or seven years committed to being a doctor
01:03:15
yeah well I see I wonder to me that's debatable whether he was committed to yeah okay
01:03:23
just because there's there's very strong evidence for both sides of that argument
01:03:29
right here's one thing that I found interesting is that he worked at JC Penney at one point - oh yeah they were
01:03:35
talking about that but no I actually think he worked there for a pretty lengthy time and that's my point he
01:03:40
worked there for I think four and a half to five years and so that shows incredible commitment no no JC Penney no
01:03:47
i bitar like as Tanya maybe 11 to 12 years I want it what does that mean no well you're saying that because he
01:03:58
worked at a job for X amount of years that he's driven I would say that that that when we know
01:04:06
they're saying committed okay yeah that's a commitment I mean three or four years because that's a pretty disposable
01:04:13
job no offense to anyone who works at JCPenney I think there's a lot of jobs actually like that exactly yeah so if it
01:04:19
didn't work out for whatever reason or he had to miss a shift and got fired or had to quit because of something awkward
01:04:24
yeah but I got any guys did you know roughly in their 20s that were dating somebody for three years and you want to
01:04:31
you go all there dating for three years they're committed but you know that they're not that committed to the
01:04:38
relationship yes all I'm saying is like just because you have a job for a long time it could have been one of those
01:04:44
jobs where it's like it's really hard to get fired you can kind of do whatever you want all I'm saying is I think I
01:04:51
mean I think it's safe to assume that maybe he was committed but well I think you have to because that's what that's
01:04:59
all we have to go off of is what the record shows the record would show that he was an employee for X amount of years
01:05:06
not X amount of weeks or months so if we have a my argument is that we all know somebody that's had the same job for a
01:05:14
very long time that you would not state them as a committed employee to that employer okay I see your point yes yeah
01:05:22
I think I think what what Timna is more so talking about is committed to that's the certain lifestyle that he has
01:05:31
created and maintained right you know he's a longtime student of the same University
01:05:37
he's a longtime employee of the same employer and so regarding his mental makeup let's say the unfortunate
01:05:46
horrible thing is his mother passes away like three weeks before he goes missing
01:05:51
and so he was very close to his mother there's no one to say anything different and no matter why he was actually here
01:06:02
it's a tragic thing yeah a lot of people close in the circle call him a mama's boy and that's not a bad thing he really
01:06:09
cared about his mom yeah what about his financial situation was he's going to other heritance
01:06:17
I guess so back to the the schooling thing real quick yeah but where I was going with that is there there are
01:06:24
several people in his family that say he chose the medical field as a way of making his parents proud it was
01:06:34
something that it was obvious that they would be extremely proud of and he was very according to according to these
01:06:42
individuals he was very driven to become to work in the field of medicine a lot for his mother for that that
01:06:51
relationship right be it whether she's around or not now the difficult thing about his mental makeup would be his
01:07:01
father did kind of in my opinion skew the narrative a bit on Brian and this is not uncommon for parents or loved ones
01:07:12
to champion or romanticize their missing or lost one but you know the narrative that he kind of put forward and fed to
01:07:23
the public is Brian was well on his way to graduating something that he had you know been working toward for many years
01:07:33
he was getting very good grades always has he was going to propose to his girlfriend probably on this vacation
01:07:42
right but let's dive into that those things right there yeah he never purchased the ring okay that was now and
01:07:50
I understand you can you can't ask somebody to marry you without a ring then well you don't purchase that ring on the
01:07:56
weekend it was like there was there was a couple days left friend to be able to purchase the ring right but there's
01:08:03
there's but there's no evidence of him purchasing a ring to actually there's all this evidence saying he never did
01:08:08
right we don't know that he ever went and looked at anything or pursued that his grades he got if you if you talk to
01:08:16
other family members and now his father's passed away so we could we we don't have him here to argue this but
01:08:23
the other family members say he got ok grades it wasn't like he wasn't like you know
01:08:30
you know Dean's List Dean's List yeah it was a Doogie Howser there's a lot of accounts saying that a lot of accounts
01:08:36
saying that he got excellent grades I think a lot of people will look at someone who's in medical school and
01:08:42
wants to be a doctor they're instantly like very very smart Doogie Howser well yeah but I think sometimes again
01:08:49
it's a missing person you know when you're interviewed how was he as a student excellent he was excellent and
01:08:55
the whole time they're going that guy was a [ __ ] and showed up drunk all the time but I can't say that because
01:09:00
he's missing but he's got a degree in microbiology like I I gotta be honest I couldn't do that I could wake up in the
01:09:06
morning and get a degree I can commit myself as hard as I can and I don't think I'd be able to do it well after
01:09:13
drinking with you last night I agree with you thank you you can see a bit of the confusion regarding his lifestyle
01:09:20
though where I firmly believe that Randy maybe even unintentionally reviewed the
01:09:26
narrative Randy the father yeah okay sorry thank you I think he kind of skewed the narrative whether he did that
01:09:35
knowingly or not and and it might not mean anything at all but I think what it is is it's more ways to suggest that
01:09:43
something happened to my son that was beyond my son's control and the the exact wording that police give when
01:09:53
they're seeking information regarding Bryan's whereabouts or what could have happened to Brian is that they do not
01:10:00
believe that he left on his of his own accord but there his disappearance is mysterious it's unexplainable yes
01:10:08
suspicious disappearance right I'm on the I'm on the old Bing machine and it looks like there's a lot of new
01:10:14
construction in the area so I'm wondering and what there's even a on earth here you can see a construction
01:10:21
site that has just been started and right across the street right obviously that's a that's a new one that's not the
01:10:28
one from when he went missing but there's a building here in the corner that looks brand-new does is this I
01:10:33
don't know how familiar you are with it this looks brand-new but there's a camera right there on top of the
01:10:38
building that that shows the entire intersection so I think is interesting because I
01:10:43
I would just be curious if this building existed back then I also wanted to just
01:10:47
on the surveillance topic real quick I just wanted to mention that it a lot of bars had live streams back back 10 15
01:10:54
years ago right on the internet and it actually looks like the ugly tunas Aluna had a live stream yellow and what makes
01:11:01
this little eerie and we talked a little bit about this last night is pretty much
01:11:05
anything from that weekend as far as promotion who the band was the calendar everything has been swiped away yeah
01:11:15
that's that's a law enforcement thing I think yeah see see that's that's interesting because a lot of people
01:11:22
think well that's shady on their part but law enforcement has said time and time again this company has been very
01:11:28
cooperative to us and it's also weird thing too because if he went missing south of Columbus not by Ohio State
01:11:39
campus this would stay on the Internet information would stay on the internet longer but because it's connected to the
01:11:48
University it gets buried in Google searches like they try to hide some of this stuff d-does who's de who's well
01:12:00
this is an intentional yes it's the university's do it the university is trying to suppress some of the
01:12:08
information that would be put out there yeah and we act their reputation well we've seen this a couple times because
01:12:15
Joey lab you went missing around that area wasn't a student but anytime that there's a been a missing person from
01:12:21
Ohio State you get on Google it's flooded initially and then they start burying that's why that's why I'm always
01:12:29
on Bing because they do not want you they do not want some somebody's parent googling Ohio State and the first thing
01:12:38
that comes up is medical students missing yeah we've heard that with Maura Maria and UMass as well but that's out
01:12:45
of their control to the state of New Hampshire right well that the people who run the White Mountain region junior
01:12:50
college enrollment just went way up okay community school for you so you'll sleep at a community college what about
01:12:59
his cell phone yeah when did it stop ringing that's weird and when did it start ringing again
01:13:04
and then stop so his his girlfriend would try it repeatedly and then one day if so he would always go to voicemail
01:13:13
when she was trying it right one smell yeah and then one day it rang like three times it seems like that it didn't ring
01:13:21
at all from the beginning once they knew he was missing right he would call and it would just go straight to voice so
01:13:28
that night that that so that's Saturday and that Sunday people are calling Brian
01:13:35
now so in the we know the girlfriend was calling on Saturday it's just you know boyfriends girlfriends tend to talk
01:13:44
everyday you know no big deal she's not heard from them but I think she kind of sounds the alarm sometime on Sunday when
01:13:52
she returns she's up in Toledo at the time visiting her family so she's like a two-hour drive from where he was last
01:13:58
seen so she comes back into town and I think by this point Brian's father Randy has already called attempted to call him
01:14:10
but there's no red flags for Randy yet until she returns to town the girlfriend and alerts
01:14:16
Randy saying I you know you haven't been able to get ahold of him they go to his
01:14:22
apartment he's not answering the door then this this bonds the family the girlfriend to start looking in the area
01:14:34
okay and by Sunday night they're looking in dumpsters that's not not a great feeling not a great situation when you
01:14:44
are looking in dumpsters so they at some point notify the police department to which the the the decision is made I
01:14:56
don't know if it was made amongst the family and law enforcement or if it was just made amongst the family that well
01:15:02
if he doesn't show up for this plane ride this this flight to Florida on Monday morning he bought the ticket
01:15:10
yes and the we should throw this out there too this is this is a guy that is very much in debt from his from being a
01:15:19
college guy for so many years so it's it's not like you willy nilly just buy a plane ticket and don't show up right do
01:15:27
we know if he charged it or if he paid debit or whatever my my guess this is just a guess is that he charged it
01:15:34
because I don't remember if it was the private investigator that was later hired by the family or if it was the one
01:15:41
of the detectives involved but when discussing Brian's finances one of them pointed to he had multiple credit he had
01:15:50
you know multiple lines of credit credit card debt okay which is not that uncommon for a student no you have
01:15:57
especially a student of that as far as books and stuff goes those can be very expensive and in JC Penney's not paying
01:16:07
for all that hello guys I'm sorry so back to the cell phone thing though so it's we know people were calling him
01:16:14
that weekend we can assume that there the calls simply to find out where he is continued for some time right but at
01:16:22
some point his girlfriend heartbroken decides to cope with this it's some kind of it's comforting to her to call his
01:16:30
cell phone and she said that she would do it once a day at least once a day and it was usually be in the evening well he
01:16:37
goes missing March 31st April 1st she's calling this daily calling the cell phone daily and it was at some
01:16:47
point in September where the phone always went just straight to voicemail but on this one particular day in
01:16:55
September it rings three times how in the world did she handle that she said it was the best sound she ever heard I
01:17:03
think yeah I mean and then but to so quickly have that hope just crushed right that's insane yeah cuz then they
01:17:11
contact the cell company so what was it so we got a ping right well singular told the yeah we did get a
01:17:18
ping so the ping went to a tower in Hilliard Ohio so Columbus is directly in the center Hilliard would be
01:17:25
as I call it just straight West it's like a straight shot west of Columbus but the newspapers said it was 14 miles
01:17:34
northwest of Columbus so but again if that's an incoming cause that is that reliable because you're now seeing that
01:17:41
with like that non-sighted case where they're saying ping technology especially around that time only worked
01:17:48
when is like outgoing call would be reliable but an incoming call wouldn't be reliable well and to further that
01:17:56
thought they give a pretty detailed explanation for that but it is a little bit of a guess but your but let's keep
01:18:03
in mind where we're hearing the explanation from is law enforcement we're not hearing it directly from
01:18:08
singular who law enforcement spoke with but what law enforcement has stated is that they were told by singular that
01:18:15
what most likely occurred is that there was so much action on the circuit so many people calling or using data
01:18:23
whatever that when she attempted to call him it should have just gone straight to
01:18:30
voicemail but instead there's so much activity it then bounced to another tower and when it bounced to another
01:18:37
tower is when it would have started ringing and then once it's accepted by that tower it's dropped because it or it
01:18:45
went straight to voicemail because now it's actually connecting it's almost like hold on signal for the person
01:18:51
calling even though you think that it's oh my god so he turned on his phone or somebody's got his phone the crazy thing
01:18:58
though too is what's so wild about this it's not unheard of for someone to kill someone and keep their phone I mean we
01:19:08
know Long Island serial killer did it to the point where he not only kept the victims phone but then reached out to
01:19:14
family members of the victim that way that wouldn't harass them right and that would explain the hundreds of cell
01:19:21
phones in your trunk so I remember before this explanation went out before this explanation came
01:19:27
out by police because there was a rumor that his phone rang and my immediate my immediate
01:19:34
is somebody kept his phone and just happened to have it turned on at that moment for whatever reason in a cop a
01:19:41
ring it caught a call yeah my initial thought was it was Bryant turning on turning on his phone in this suburb of
01:19:47
Columbus which is a little distance away and also not where he grew up in ping Currington Pickerington Nigerian not bad
01:19:59
so how far is Pickerington so it's almost on the opposite side so you Columbus would be pretty much in the
01:20:05
middle and Pickerington would be to the east and Hilliard to the west I would have found it to be better evidence if
01:20:11
the ping happened in Pickerington yeah what did you guys hear any rumor about him wanting to break up with his
01:20:17
girlfriend beforehand wasn't there something out there that he said he wasn't coping with the loss of his
01:20:24
mother and he told his girlfriend that he should move on the voicemail he leaves for his girlfriend the same night
01:20:33
that he went missing he tries to call her at some point while they're out bar hopping right and I but he leaves a
01:20:39
voicemail for her that can be heard you can track it down on the internet but it's to me like if you know I'm a I'm a
01:20:49
beautiful woman right you are I'm sitting across it would be or this it would be the voicemail that I as a
01:20:55
beautiful woman would want to receive from a handsome man I mean he it's like him from Tim yes
01:21:01
basically Brian and this isn't verbatim but he calls and he says something like just still out with the friends I they
01:21:09
were asking about you I'm telling them how wonderful you are you are the most amazing woman I love you see you soon is
01:21:15
that does that sound about right captain yeah thank you we should pause and actually
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