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talk some true crime [Music] foreign Norse was always outgoing in a very active young lady
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at an early age she was quite active in fact displaying a true love for sports teamwork and competition
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she was also an animal lover and over the years collected and cared for many pets
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this included all of the normal household varieties with many different kinds of pets
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but a special love for cats Heather over the years participated in volleyball softball
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but her true passion was found on the basketball court she excelled in every sport that she
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played but especially playing for the select basketball teams these are the traveling AAU teams she
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attended Perry Meridian High School where she had many friends and was very social
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which was no surprise as she always had a very outgoing personality in nature and of course she competed in sports at
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the high school level playing both varsity volleyball and varsity basketball she graduated from Perry Meridian in
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2005. at 18 she fell quickly for a boy three years her senior this would be her first real serious
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boyfriend After High School Heather went on to Indiana University in Bloomington
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everything appeared to be falling right into place and right on schedule for this outgoing beautiful young woman but
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life has its way of Shifting and of course the older we get and the more we take on well life can get pretty
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complicated Heather uncharacteristically started missing classes and then it was time to take a break from her
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schooling so she found a job that she really liked but her family and friends felt like
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they were seeing less and less of her not a terribly uncommon practice as we all get busy with work and
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responsibilities but clearly something was not right here and Heather's mother Debbie knew it
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she knew it for sure Heather seemed to be slowly drifting away Heather did not text or call family or
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friends for several days this is when her mother Debbie realized that Heather's phone was shut off
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Heather's father went out searching for his daughter going to homes of her friends but he could not locate her he
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went to her boyfriend Josh's house looking for her but no one answered so they called the police
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and a search was launched when police checked Heather's MySpace account they found
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that her last message said I can't take this anymore I need to get out of the state
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[Music] where was Heather Norris this is True Crime garage [Music] foreign [Music]
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the post on Heather Norris's Tuesday April 17 2007 Myspace page read as follows drama box checked current mood
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sad and with the words not so simply explained the message was cryptic and alarming and
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it read No One Believes Me and no one understands me you know who you are I can't take this drama anymore I need to
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get out of this state followed by a series of exclamation marks and now Captain it's at this point that she is
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missing remember we've already pointed out that it is the police that have found this message on her Myspace page
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the thing that's concerning is did she take off as this post might suggest this would be very out of character for this
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young lady as I understand it as she is very close with her family in particular
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she's very close with her mother Debbie now to bring everyone up to speed the police are actively searching for
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Heather Norris and this is after her family has been looking for her and unable to get a hold of her for several
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days now so this information is being shared with the family and discussed with the family
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the message on the Myspace page this is probably adding to the list of questions
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that police will have for her family trying to track down this young college age woman
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but we say this is out of character because while the drama box was checked May certainly lead one to believe this
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she could have left and her family does agree with that post there was plenty of
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drama in Heather's life and we will get into that shortly so I don't think anyone was 100 doubting
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that Heather may have taken off may have needed to get away but the cause for major concern was that she was not
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communicating any of this with her family she's not communicating at all with her family that is what is out of
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character here well I'm not the brightest bulb on the planet but when when she says I need to get out of this
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state do you think that's like literal or do you think that's like state of mind I don't know and I have my own
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suspicions about this post meaning I'm not 100 certain that she was the one that that may have posted that created
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the post this message but moving past that suspicion it could be State I I like what you're thinking there get out
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of this state of mind but we do know that by this point in her life by April of 2007. you know she's lived in
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Bloomington she's lived in Indianapolis and maybe maybe that's why we're saying I
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need to get out of this state I've I've tried living elsewhere and I'm I'm having all this drama I'm having all
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these problems maybe I just need to get completely out of Dodge but it also could be you know she went to college it
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didn't work out she now has a job maybe it's just this is not the life that I want to be living
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I want to be living I need to get back on my path and regardless of what exactly is going on here in this
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situation of course Heather's family is extremely concerned because this is really just not adding up to them given
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the quote drama in her life her family had knew that there was this drama and major cause of concern
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they see this message they're looking for their daughter for their loved one and they start to believe that Heather's
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ongoing problems with her boyfriend has probably led to her disappearance or why they can't find her they believe not
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just that she took off they actually believe that her boyfriend may have something to hide that he's somehow
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involved or responsible for the reason why they cannot locate Heather yeah her boyfriend being Joshua Bean now
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from what I found it seems like they were kind of like on again off-again since high school yes that's correct
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they were on again off again and that that's again the reason why the confusion for this message on one hand
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the family and friends of Heathers can understand why she would want to get away from her life her drama her
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boyfriend you know broken up or otherwise but at the same time they can't understand why if in fact she did choose
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to leave him leave the area that they wouldn't have any kind of communication or interaction with her yeah you'd
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almost think that she'd be like hey guys it's not working out with me and Joshua
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and I'm going to move back home you think that they would be in the know more than anybody yeah that would make a
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lot more sense because of the support group that she had it with her family and friends and the tightness that that
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family had so let's back up here a little bit and really kind of dive in and review the situation as we said
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Heather found her first serious boyfriend at the age of 18. Captain has already pointed out that this is a young
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man named Joshua Bean this is sometime right around High School graduation her senior year boyfriend Joshua Bean he's
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about three years older than Heather and while they both attended the same high school it appears to me that they didn't
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really know one another during their time there together that it wasn't really them meeting until
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Heather's senior year now as we said she graduated in 2005 but Heather goes missing in 2007 and April but within
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just the first few months after the two began dating Heather confided and her mother Debbie telling her that Joshua
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was abusive when things got out of control he was beating her she told her mom you know don't worry
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about this try not to worry about this that she could handle this herself and she was attempting to handle the
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situation but the abuse continued and like we have sadly seen so many times Captain the
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abuse escalated to the point of persons seeing bruises on Heather and bruises all over her body and then eventually we
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even have a concussion that she suffers from some of this abuse well we've all been in
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bad relationships but I've never personally been involved in one that became physically abusive so I couldn't
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even imagine the what's going through one's head when that's happening you know I'm
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we're in an argument and now it's turning violent that um to me that would throw a bunch of red
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flags and I'd be trying to get out of the situation pretty quickly but again I've never
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experienced that so I have no clue what that's like well I'm guessing that it did present a whole bunch of red flags
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to Heather and that's why we're going to see that this relationship is kind of on
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again off again over the period of time here now before this stuff escalated Heather may have been right when she
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said that she could handle it or at least I think that she believed that she could handle it I don't think that that
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was just words that she was putting together to try to please her mom or calm her mom right I think that she
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totally felt like hey I'm in control I'm a I'm a bright young woman who's on on my path to Greatness I'm off to college
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and I have my goals I have my achievements that I'm seeking and I'm hard working and I can I can battle
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through this and battle through this doesn't necessarily mean that she's going to latch on to Joshua Bean for the
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rest of her life no it's probably she intended to kick this jerk to the curb and move on with
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things and get on with getting on well it's tough too because this individual they might have a really good
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relationship other than this part and you always hear a lot of people that have struggled with this say
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well you know the partner kept on saying I'm going to change and I and that's never going to happen it's never going
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to escalate to that point again well kudos for her because it looks like she was attempting to move on or handle it
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because eventually at some point she will press charges against Joshua but then we're going to see him do the
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normal song and dance routine of apologizing and promising that it would never happen again now I'm not exactly
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sure of when the abuse in this relationship started and a lot of times we see that no one really outside of the
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relationship is always certain of when the first offense occurs maybe Heather's mother Debbie knows but it's clear in
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this case that once Heather went off to college the physical abuse was real by this
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point so after graduating Heather moved to Bloomington to attend Indiana University Joshua Bean was attending
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IUPUI Heather when she started school she moved into a dorm with her cousin this was a lifelong dream of theirs
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these are cousins that are of the same age grew up together and not just cousins but very good if not best
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friends like many other college kids Heather did not have a car while she's living on campus so her boyfriend Josh
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would often pick her up taking her back to his place for the weekend and it seems like there was a little bit of a a
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a very problematic reoccurring theme here or at least it seems that this may have happened on more than one occasion
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with this jerk so at the end of the weekend when it comes time to drive his girlfriend back to her school at Indiana
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University he would then suddenly refuse to drive her back right so at least on one
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occasion her parents had to come and collect her from Joshua's place and then drive her back to school while he was
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using it to manipulate her and control her exactly right he's using every excuse in the book as to why he's not
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going to return her but at the end of the day it appears to me Captain this is this is an attempt at possessing her
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right a few weeks later the following event took place over the Thanksgiving weekend of 2005. Heather and her friend
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her name is Aaron they're both home from college for the holiday now during this
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break Heather calls her friend Aaron crying hysterically Aaron rushes out to meet her friend just
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10 minutes after the call and she finds Heather still hysterical but she also finds her with visible
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marks of abuse on her there's a scratch on her eye and red finger marks on Heather's neck when Heather finally
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calmed down she told Aaron that her boyfriend Joshua Bean had hit her in the stomach and put her in a headlock while
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they were at his father's home thankfully Heather said that Bean's father stepped in at some point putting
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a stop to this madness and that the police were in fact called now it's reported he should beat his son's ass
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that may have happened we don't know that's not part of the report but the couple did break up that November so we
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have these two young people dating there's a history pretty quickly of violence and the arguments becoming
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physical then we have this escalation I mean at his own parents house that's pretty brazen
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which will then lead to them ultimately breaking up that's correct captain now unfortunately the two reconciled on
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Valentine's Day in 2006. this is when Joshua Bean visited Heather in Bloomington with a gift of flowers and
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of course an apology begging her to reconsider thereafter Heather spent an increasing amount of
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time with Joshua being in Indianapolis this is because she eventually started to withdraw from classes in April of
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2006. eventually dropping out altogether Heather got a job after she took this break from school or quitting school she
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loved it everyone says that she really dug this job and of course with the new job Heather started meeting new friends
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Joshua did not like this one bit and eventually he forces her to quit that job yeah I always tell my friends or one
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thing I don't think you look for in a relationship when you're younger is is this person making me better is this
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person making my life better I just I think you're so caught up in attraction and uh
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initial feelings and stuff like that that you don't really or at least I didn't think too much about are they
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making my life better are they making me a better person do they want me to be around my friends and family they
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should be supportive of that because that would that makes you a better you most of the time personally I insist
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that whoever I'm with that they have a job they have hobbies they have their own friends because if I'm the only
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person that you're talking to one of us is going to go crazy real quick and and I'm not that normal of a guy so
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it will probably be the person that I'm with right now we have pointed out Captain how active of a lifestyle
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Heather had I mean even from a young age she's very outgoing very outgoing nature
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I mean most of us love hanging out with our friends and a lot of us meet love meeting other people but Heather's
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friends would say that they felt creeped out by her boyfriend by Joshua bean and
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they also say that it was obvious to them that Joshua was determined to keep Heather from hanging out with them this
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kind of goes back to what we saw while she was at school you know the excuses of refusing to return her after
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collecting her and having her at his place for the weekend it's it's that possession that it seems
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that he's he's intent on having of this young woman I hate to jump around too much but what a situation if if you
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walked in on your son being physically violent towards his girlfriend that would be
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that'd be an intense moment because one you'd be extremely disappointed um but my my natural reaction probably
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would be to uh make him swallow his own teeth I'm one though that I don't think that violence cures violence and I think
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that the counseling would be could be potentially a very good thing for this Angry Young Man Who clearly does not
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know how to control himself his emotions and does not know how to conduct himself
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like a real man or an adult right clearly at this point he's got a lot of growing up to do and a lot of
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self-improvement to to make even though this young man he begs this young woman to take him back and it does seem to be
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that they were able to reconcile and they start their relationship back up again unfortunately some things never
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never change and sometime in November of 2006 now we have to introduce a woman named Hazel Rish she says that she
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opened her her door her front door to find a stranger at her doorstep it was Heather Norris
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on risha's front doorstep on South Meridian Street in Indianapolis the young woman told Hazel that she needed
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help she was asking to use Hazel's telephone she wanted to call her mother because her boyfriend had just thrown
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her and all of her belongings out of his car Hazel immediately noticed that the young
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woman's arms were scraped and bleeding Hazel believed Heather's story and knew that she was dealing with something
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very serious here yeah of course Hazel allowed Heather to use her phone Heather called her mother Deborah Norris and
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shortly after the call was placed Deborah arrived on the scene and picked Heather up who was still at Hazel's home
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this led to another breakup between Heather and Joshua Bean yeah this this guy is really showing how much of a
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piece of [ __ ] he is foreign [Music] [Music] foreign we are back mates cheers cheers to you Colonel cheers
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Captain well what we're going to see here is continued violence from this Joshua being against his on-again
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off-again girlfriend Heather Norris she's alleging domestic battery on several occasions against this guy uh
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multiple times pressing charges against him and this is going to bring us to the
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point of early April 2007. when Heather Norris stopped returning phone calls from family and friends
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this is pretty early on in April of 2007 here captain now it wouldn't be until April 25th that Heather's mother Deborah
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filed a missing persons report and again the family stating that this is after several days go by and not being able to
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get a hold of Heather so so it appears that at some point probably around the 18th 19th maybe even
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the 20th is when Heather's family starts having trouble getting in touch with her
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they notice something serious has probably happened here they're searching for their daughter they're checking all
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the normal places calling all the friends even going to the boyfriend's house the father says he gets no answer
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when he goes knocking on Joshua Bean's front door and it will be on the 25th of April 2007 when the missing persons
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report is officially filed this with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department the impd
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but between that time period and April 25th there's going to be a lot of curious
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Behavior going on a lot of things that are witnessed by other people during the course of just that couple weeks and
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this really stems back to April 11th this is when Joshua Bean missed an important meeting at his place of
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employment his supervisor calls Josh looking for him you know where are you we're having this meeting
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to which Josh then replies via email back to the boss doesn't speak with him on the phone and in the email he's
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saying that he was sick he couldn't come into work and apologize for not making the meeting he then called
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the director of the company so it sounds like he goes above his supervisor's head
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to make a phone call and tell the director explaining his absence basically right and it sounds to me like
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the director was unable to answer the call so Josh leaves a message stating that he he was jumped and had been
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attacked by a couple people and had to go see a doctor and receive medical attention for being attacked he even
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comes up with a doctor's note like later he's providing his work with a doctor's
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note a written doctor's note excusing him from work for not just the time that he's already missed but for the
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remainder of that week let me see if I'm following this correctly he tells his boss hey I'm sorry I couldn't come in I
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was sick then it goes above his head and tells somebody else I wasn't sick I was
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jumped and then I had to go see a doctor because I was jumped yes I mean which one is it I mean at
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some point you'd think his work would catch him in this lie of course yeah and the the problem though here too is
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that's not the extent of the storytelling or the versions of this different story because he does in fact
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go to the doctor and we know that because he has this written doctors note excusing him from work for the day that
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he missed right but also for the rest of the week but when he went and received treatment from a doctor this was at an
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urgent care clinic and he had cuts on his hands in his arms so this does seem to go along with his
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story of being jumped being attacked by these people and needing medical attention however
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at the doctor visit you know they want to know what what happened to you we we got to put it in our report why you
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received these injuries right and he tells them a completely different story he says that uh there were he was
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carrying trash the trash bags that contained broken beer bottles broken glass that was
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inside the trash and somehow he he either dropped the bag or there was some kind of accident or incident that ended
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up with him receiving cuts on his fingers and forearms from this carrying the broken glass he
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does ultimately receive 25 stitches for cuts that he had on his person but medical professionals have seen a lot of
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situations especially somebody that attacks their girlfriend and the girlfriend defends themselves and then
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that person um the abuser that has wounds on them I'm sure when he's telling whatever lame
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story he came up with that they're thinking that these don't look like the injury that you're describing the
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following day Joshua Bean purchased a chainsaw a cotton mop and a utility knife and black
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trash bags at a local hardware store he also rented a Rug Doctor cleaner and purchased a bunch of carpet cleaning
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solution around the same time so mid April ish early to mid April ish Joshua starts telling his family and his
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friends that him and his girlfriend Heather Norris broke up and the you know to explain I guess I guess he's
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attempting to explain away why she is not with him it's also a little weird though too here
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Captain because around the same time is when we have roommates that are going to
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move into Joshua Bean's residence they're going to rent a room from him these two say that they never really saw
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Heather Norris from the time that they moved in now the one of the roommates was a female and she would later say
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that she did communicate with Heather Norris via Myspace but did think that it was strange that during their time
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living there that she she had never seen her like you said this Myspace post that
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she left that we talked earlier about might not have been her the communication to these new roommates
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might not have been her well and I think we need to pay attention to the dates that are given to some of this some of
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these actions that are taking place whether it be from activity on Heather Norris's Myspace
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page and then let's cross reference that with activity that we know based off of
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witness statements that this Joshua Bean what he's up to around the same time so
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we know he calls off work or explains away his absence from work on April 11. the Myspace post of hey I need to get
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out of this state drama box checked sadness is my mood that takes place on April 17th that's
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six days later and I'm not quite certain exactly when the roommates moved in so and I I can't say for certain when
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the female roommate says that she was interacting with Heather via Myspace it could be right around the same time
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right it's a little unclear that portion of the story but we know that being he skips work on the 11th with the excused
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absence and we know that he's not at work the rest of the week and again on the 12th we have him at the hardware
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store purchasing these items which include the chainsaw a mop The Rug Doctor cleaner and again around
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the same time he's telling people that Heather Norris and him are no longer an item Bean starts doing a lot of work on
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his home around this time and then we have a neighbor of his who says that he sees
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Joshua Bean driving away from Joshua's home in Heather Norris's car but this is kind of weird he's wearing
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blue latex gloves while he's driving this vehicle away from the home on April 25th is when we have the missing persons
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report okay so the 11th he's missing work the 17th is that cryptic message on her Myspace page the 25th is when
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the family files the missing persons report somewhere during all of that is when the
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the neighbor Witnesses being driving Heather Norris's vehicle away from his house in the blue latex
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gloves well yeah one the gloves is very dexter-like and then two you're saying that she's not your
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girlfriend then why are you driving her vehicle correct and you know who knows the world's a germy place maybe he's
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just being proactive with the latex gloves I don't believe it but sadly on May 8th this is you know the family
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already has all their suspicions and I'm not gonna lie to you man they're probably already heartbroken at this
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point and really expecting to hear the worst at some point yeah the confirmation the first confirmation that
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I see of this that's going to really underline their concerns and and probably tell them that this is not
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going to work out very well this is on May 8th when an officer from the Indianapolis
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Metropolitan Police Department locates Heather's vehicle so they find her vehicle at a hotel parking lot on the
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west side of Indianapolis now also in this same month we have Joshua bean and his friend David Dawson they go on
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vacation together down to Mexico while there Dawson's got some some really bad news
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because he's saying one night the two of them get quite intoxicated and during the course of that evening
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Bean starts confessing to him that the reason why no one can find Heather Norris is because he killed her
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and that he did this at his home that he used the chainsaw to cut up the remains and then drove around the south
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side of Indianapolis disposing of her in various dumpsters throughout the south side of town yeah we've seen that
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in many cases where they dismember the body and then put it in separate bags and then tried to conceal their their
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guilt by spreading the the victim all over town on the 24th of May the police they executed a search
00:36:30
warrant on beans residence during the course of this search they detect the presence of human remains in his
00:36:39
residence now also on the 24th after learning that police wish to talk with him because it sounds like he
00:36:46
wasn't present when they searched his home you know they want to speak with him especially after finding what they did
00:36:54
inside his home yeah finding human remains you'd think they would want to talk to him or yes evidence of human
00:37:01
remains Joshua Bean leaves a message with the police department and stating that any questions for him should be
00:37:10
directed to his attorney on the 26th so this is two days later we have Joshua Bean's father and his uncle they check
00:37:20
in with Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department they're telling the police what the
00:37:26
police kind of already know here they're saying that hey my son my nephew Joshua
00:37:31
Bean told us that he killed Heather Norris and that he burned and dismembered and disposed of her body so
00:37:41
this is when officially the missing persons case becomes a murder investigation that evening they find
00:37:50
Joshua Bean at the home of his cousin and they arrest him there kind of similar to the Chris Watts case where
00:37:59
the murderer confesses to their their father yes that's correct and it's not long after the detectives
00:38:08
pick him up at his cousins that once they sit him down he he pretty quickly waves his his uh rights after being
00:38:17
advised of his rights and he agrees to to a confession basically of the situation and and the
00:38:25
murder that occurred and this was a tape recorded confession being told the officers that Heather Norris was staying
00:38:35
with him at the time and that the murder took place on April 10th so this would be the night before he has the
00:38:43
eventually excused absence from work he says that the two of them began to argue
00:38:48
and during the course of this argument he stabbed Heather multiple times with a steak Knife this took place in the
00:38:55
basement of his home he said that he then took went to Great Lengths to to conceal the murder and to dispose of her
00:39:05
body again placing her remains in various dumpsters around the south side of Indianapolis
00:39:11
Joshua also said that he cleaned the laundry room area with bleach painted with black paint he painted the walls of
00:39:20
this basement and stairwell with black paint and the basement bathroom as well he
00:39:27
said that he hired someone to replace the carpet on the basement stairs we do have just like you had said you
00:39:34
referenced the Watts case in this situation we have his father and Uncle were present for a portion of this
00:39:41
interview where he confesses once again to killing Heather Norris so with the confession that is going to
00:39:47
[Music] um doesn't make obviously anything better but it's going to make convicting
00:39:56
this murderer and putting him behind bars where he should be so he can't hurt anybody else again a lot easier
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than than it would if he just kept trying to deny it and trying to keep concealing that he's the murderer
00:40:12
yeah so this is one of those cases where it's it's very difficult and it's often
00:40:18
difficult to to prove because here we have no body yes they found evidence of human remains
00:40:27
but from my understanding Captain those were like in the form of Ashes right here so what we have is everyone else's
00:40:34
statements of hey I saw him doing this I saw him move her vehicle there was even
00:40:38
one witness that said we witnessed her vehicle in his garage for multiple days after she was no longer around and it
00:40:47
was only until one of us says to him hey what's her car still doing here I thought you guys broke up that he
00:40:53
decides to move the vehicle right so he moves the vehicle and of course as as we
00:40:58
already discussed he's seen moving the vehicle wearing these latex gloves he purchases all these strange items that
00:41:05
would go along with his confession to his friend to his father to his uncle and then police well Walmart and stores
00:41:13
like this should come up with like like a kill kit or like a covering up your murder kit because some of these
00:41:21
you want to be put on a list if you buy a chainsaw well some of these some of these idiots actually would buy those
00:41:28
packages um oh you're saying they should Market yeah Market it as a murder cover-up kit
00:41:35
because some of these guys would be like well it's all in one box it's a it's a good value and you just have the
00:41:41
detective waiting in hiding right it tackles you as you leave the store well no and and like you
00:41:49
said it's difficult because we already know a defense attorney can eat that up as far as we already know that she was
00:41:57
at the house and that she was present throughout that house so there's a lot of pieces of evidence that you could argue
00:42:07
away correct the ash form gets a little difficult but that's not really going to
00:42:12
be as you're pointing out here Captain clearly pointing out that's not going to be the biggest part of their case the
00:42:19
biggest part of their case is going to be everyone's statements and then all their statements of his activities and
00:42:25
his actions during the course of the time that she was missing and police and family and friends are looking for her
00:42:31
right they're all very suspicious and then they go along with all of the confessions that he has made so you're
00:42:37
absolutely right the confessions are going to make this trial a lot easier now we say trial because you would think
00:42:43
that this dude would just plead guilty well he he does not he actually decides to fight the charges the charge of
00:42:52
murder and he has his attorney work to try to suppress the some of this evidence he wants to remove his
00:43:02
confession to Police from The Trial and there was a case that was there was a case that was referenced in leading up
00:43:12
to his trial because there was another Indiana case where there was no body that kind of set the precedent for
00:43:21
taking a case like this to trial with nobody because we've seen that being a problem many many times now most of the
00:43:29
time we don't have any formal confession in those types of cases here thankfully
00:43:35
he confesses to police and thankfully they record the confession I'm screaming that to all of law enforcement
00:43:43
everywhere please can record all interrogations all questioning all confessions because that's the best way
00:43:51
for that information to hold up should you need for it to hold up and I'm sure that this these detectives probably
00:43:58
didn't think we're going to have a trial here when he's sitting here telling them
00:44:01
exactly what he did and exactly how it went down yeah but even if they didn't have that man it'd be tough if you're on
00:44:08
the jury and to hear this SOB's dad say hey my son confessed to me if he ended up taking the stand against his son that
00:44:18
that's pretty damning yeah his trial will only take about four days so he's TR he is charged with murder and abuse
00:44:26
of a corpse this on May 31st of 2007 and the trial started on August 4th and lasted until August 8th of
00:44:37
2008 so he received 68 years for this murder 65 of it was for the murder itself and three for the abuse of
00:44:48
a corpse now he did appeal this and he really appealed everything he appealed I mean absolutely everything
00:44:56
he he appealed the the confession he can appealed the the evidence he basically wanted to get everything thrown out and
00:45:06
the state of Indiana reviewed this and basically said denied uh we we've looked at everything that you sent to us
00:45:14
because his claim is that every time he confessed to killing Heather that he was
00:45:21
under the influence of drugs and alcohol that he he was either intoxicated or in
00:45:29
the as he says when he confessed to police he had been drinking and he had took I think it was four or five Xanax
00:45:38
pills and I mean of of course he would he's got to be nervous as hell the police
00:45:43
know what you've done They Know That You're a murderer and they're about to lock you up for a very very long time
00:45:51
specifically here Captain I'm reading from my notes it says that he says that he took four to six shots of
00:45:57
Jagermeister and three or four pills of Xanax do not people at home do not do that yeah that's not a fun drinking game
00:46:05
yeah don't mix Xanax in alcohol and here's another uh thing probably don't do six shots of
00:46:13
Jagermeister either I don't I've never had a situation where that ends nicely I don't listen to the curd on that one
00:46:18
that's it always goes down good um or like my father likes to say Jagermeister that's the drink people drink when they
00:46:26
don't like themselves right um no matter how many cases we do you go 65 years for murder it just doesn't seem
00:46:34
long enough and then only three years for the charge of abuse of a corpse this it just never seems
00:46:42
long enough well in obviously Joshua Bean has a history of violence he's prone to
00:46:49
violence he's a violent individual especially when it comes to his then girlfriend or on again off-again
00:46:57
girlfriend Heather Norris but I have I have some other questions here because my questions are
00:47:05
of course these other situations got out of hand got out of control with with Joshua behaving like a monster
00:47:13
time and time again yeah but the questions I have here too is that it looks to me
00:47:21
like she was due to testify against him and some of the charges that she had pressed against the assault charges the
00:47:28
previous assault charges right that she was set to testify against him I believe
00:47:33
later that month in April so I don't know if if an argument started because of that there is some suggestion and has
00:47:41
been some evidence that he was growing marijuana in the basement and maybe an argument started because of that it
00:47:48
seemed to me like there'd be many reasons for the two of them to be to are to be arguing but I I just questioned is
00:47:57
there a chance here that that no argument took place and that he was just he planned this it doesn't look to be
00:48:04
well planned out right so maybe he didn't plan it but I'm just throwing that out there that it looks to me like
00:48:10
she was set to testify against him and see through on some of those charges that same month yeah we just we need to
00:48:18
do a better job as a society trying to raise these these boys into men they're just not
00:48:28
there's too much abuse there's too much um mental illness there's too much I mean it's it's every week you know
00:48:38
and I'm sure that Joshua Bean's father wishes he handled the situation with his with his son
00:48:47
differently um and maybe even demanded that he stayed away from her it's a very sad
00:48:55
case it is a very sad case and it's a situation where I mean who knows I mean we we clearly we we put these people
00:49:02
under the best microscope that we can when we try to tell these true crime stories but but we don't know I mean
00:49:09
maybe his father did do everything right if there is such a a handbook out there
00:49:14
maybe he followed it to the T and and this no and I'm not trying to throw him under the processor no you know right I
00:49:21
get what you're saying and you're absolutely because those are some of the details that are left out of the story
00:49:26
it's like did he sit down his son multiple times and say look if if you can't treat this girl with respect then
00:49:33
you don't need to be with her I mean he might have told her told him that a bunch of times you know and he might
00:49:39
have uh Joshua Bean might have grew up in a household where his father showed his mom respect and and that the
00:49:47
men showed respect to women and were protective of women and not abusive and not
00:49:53
um trying to be controlling and domineering and all those things sometimes people are just
00:49:59
you know it's nature nurture and some people were just born a [ __ ] bag you know right and that's what I'm saying
00:50:06
and and Josh was certainly not under his father's roof at the time of of a lot of
00:50:12
this type of behavior and we know that the father stepped in at least once and well stepped in again going to police
00:50:20
and saying hey my son has confessed something very terrible to me you need to go and arrest him so this is you're
00:50:27
you're absolutely right there's you review cases like this and you go what could have we have done differently not
00:50:33
just as parents or families members of of both of these individuals but as a society and and how do we bring up our
00:50:43
young and make sure that this never happens again and of course the answers they're just not so simple they they
00:50:51
really just are not so simple here when you feel bad you know for her friends and family but
00:50:58
but also again it's there's so many victims and these stories one person touched so
00:51:06
many people's lives and but also I'm sure at some point when this Joshua Bean was five six years old that
00:51:15
his parents and his family and friends didn't think that this is how his story was going to end
00:51:24
so there's just so many victims in this and but we we need to do better at trying to raise better people
00:51:34
well unfortunately his story doesn't end I mean yes he's locked up but his earliest possible release date is
00:51:42
July of 2040. so he's he's younger than you and I captain his birth year was 1984. he could be out
00:51:52
um at some point and and hopefully uh hopefully that does not happen I think this individual should be locked up and
00:51:59
locked away for good here there are some other little details that I do want to throw in before we wrap up
00:52:07
for this week here Captain it was stated by his friend Dawson who passed along information that he said that he
00:52:16
received first hand from Joshua Bean while they were drinking together partying together on their trip in
00:52:22
Mexico he he would later tell law enforcement and testify against his his one-time friend that uh
00:52:32
that he was told by Joshua that Heather entered 9-1-1 in her phone and threatened to call
00:52:39
police and this was for a multitude of reasons multiple reasons here and that they they
00:52:48
were fighting and and I mean this is who knows if some of this stuff is true because it's coming from Joshua bean and
00:52:55
we've already seen what kind of character he has but he told Dawson that Heather's last words to him were I love
00:53:03
you Josh and there was some I mean if if any good could come of this it came from
00:53:12
Heather's family and a lot of their hard work that they have done after the murder and
00:53:19
we have a foundation called Heather's voice that was started by Heather's mother Debbie this is a non-profit
00:53:26
organization that educates teenagers about domestic violence and healthy relationships there is a Memorial
00:53:33
Scholarship fund that was set up there is a foundation called Heather's closet that was set up there was a lot of good
00:53:40
that her family has been able to do since this horrible portion of their lives in this horrific tragedy the
00:53:48
national teen dating abuse helpline is 1-866-331-9474 and the National Domestic Violence Hotline is 1-800-799-7233
00:54:08
and we ask that you not forget Heather Norris or Heather's story if anyone out there is experiencing anything
00:54:19
like what Heather experienced in her relationship or if you know of someone that is experiencing anything
00:54:26
like that please contact one of those numbers help your friend help yourself there are people out there that are able
00:54:34
to help you in your situation and not just of your experiencing physical violence but if you're also
00:54:41
being if you're being threatened with physical violence even if it hasn't escalated to that point don't hesitate
00:54:48
to reach out and try to get help for the situation you're in [Music] thanks for joining us here in the garage
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and leave us a five star review if you think we're worth it Colonel do we have any recommended reading this
00:55:24
week this week Captain we are recommending the murderer across the hall a book written by Crystal O'Keefe
00:55:31
O'Keefe lived with Joshua Bean when he murdered Heather Norris in April of 2007. O'Keefe and her then boyfriend
00:55:39
moved in with being about a week before the murder O'Keefe later testified against Joshua Bean which resulted in
00:55:47
his conviction proceeds from this book will support the domestic violence Network and Heather's voice and
00:55:54
organization started by Heather Norris's Mother after her murder check out the murderer across the hall by Crystal
00:56:02
O'Keefe you can find that great book and many others at our website on our recommended page that's true crime
00:56:10
garage.com yeah so many books if you're into reading it's the best way to do a deep dive into these cases
00:56:20
thanks so much for joining us join us back here in the garage next week until then be good be kind and don't litter
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