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on September 29th when the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 777 according to wealth simple.com this
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was the largest single day loss in Dow Jones history up to this point the stock market crashed in 2008 because too many
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people had taken on loans that they couldn't afford lenders relaxed their strict lending standards to extend
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credit to people who were less than qualified frankly people with bad credit and little to no savings were offered
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loans they could not afford meanwhile Banks were repackaging these mortgages and selling them to investors on the
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secondary Market this and some questionable and in some cases illegal activities by some
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lenders Banks and real estate firms drove up housing prices to levels that many could not otherwise afford this did
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not happen overnight these bad practices really started in the 9s and kept building and building a crisis was
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virtually inevitable once the housing market slowed down in 2007 the housing bubble was ready to burst and it did the
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aftermath of this catastrophic financial event led to massive job losses and mortgage
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defaults as investment firms collapsed and automakers stood on the verge of bankruptcy the federal government
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stepped in and bailed out company after company the buildup of bad debt resulted
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in a series of government bailouts starting with Bear Sterns followed by Fanny May and Freddy
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Mack then the investment firm Leman Brothers collapsed it was the largest bankruptcy filing in US history up to
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that point later that month the Federal Reserve announced yet another bailout this time it was the insurance giant
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American International Group AIG which ran out of money playing the subprime mortgage
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game each bailout announcement affected the Dow Jones sending it tumbling as markets responded to the financial
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instability Global markets were swept up in the Panic causing Global instability the labor department
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reported big job losses across the board this was the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs and the unemployment
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rate reached an alarming 10% the nation's biggest automakers known as The Big Three were in big
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trouble and asked the government for help the federal government took over the General Motors Company and chis
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in March of 2009 and Ford Motor Company received a bailout faced with job losses and
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increasing mortgage payments many lost their homes to foreclosure the loss of home values
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combined with declining stock totaled nearly $100,000 on average per us household at
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the peak between late 2007 and mid 2009 the economy lost nearly 8.7 million jobs and America
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stopped Building Homes this created hardships across the board for American families this is true crime
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[Music] garage [Music] we started off this week discussing the stock market crash of 2008 as it does
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play a factor in this week's case but our story starts off nearly 30 years earlier with the birth of a baby boy
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Jeffrey Russell Hall was born November 21st 1978 his mother is Joanne Patterson I
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couldn't really find anything about his father but Jeff Hall's childhood is not our main focus in the garage today our
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Focus will be his adult life in early adulthood Jeff got married to Leticia Neil and the young couple had two
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children a boy and a girl their names are Joseph and Shirley Joseph was born June 19th 2000 shortly after the birth
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of Joseph and then Shirley Jeff and Leticia split up it was wasn't long after the divorce that Letisha was
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pregnant but not with another child by Jeff no Leticia was pregnant with twins by another father the birth of the twins
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was successful however in 2003 the two still very young Twins were hospitalized for failing to thrive this resulted in
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child protective services stepping in to investigate the whole family and living
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situation social workers which by the way may be the sing single most difficult job in America so cheers to
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those who do that job and do it well the social workers reported that Leticia and
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I'm guessing Captain her new Bose's home had no electricity or gas that seems to
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be a reoccurring theme here as of late on our show we spoke a couple weeks ago on our jelik rainwalker episode about
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parents raising their own children plus some adopted children in a home with no electric no gas or outdoor Plumbing only
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but that was by choice from those parents right the home that we are talking about right now the living
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situation that we're talking about right now has those amenities and I'm guessing
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that Laticia and her man's home well they just chose not to pay those bills or could not pay those bills and the
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people over at the electric company gas company well they shut that [ __ ] off I'm
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thinking here that this home only had running water because the good people over at the water company in most areas
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won't turn it off even if you don't pay so social workers found poor living conditions for these two children a
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filthy house with maggots growing living and even flourishing on dirty dishes throughout the
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home yummy yummy mhm the children were not well taken care of in fact they were malnourished the kids were not clean
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either they were covered in dirt and worse covered in bruises so we've got to take these
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children out of this bad living situation so easy fix right when the biological parents are separated we will
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just send the kids to live with and be raised by dad Jeff Hall right well that's going to be wrong because Daddy's
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got a drinking problem right Jeff Hall was on probation for driving Under the Influence as a result his two children
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were temporary ly placed with their grandmother and then about a year later this would be 2004 by now Jeff must have
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cleaned up his act a bit because Jeff Hall was granted full custody of his two children Joseph and
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Shirley after Jeff's divorce to his first wife and the mother of his two kids he was in a good relationship with
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a woman named Christa McCary and the two did get married and they would go on to have three children
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together and it looks like they were all girls So eventually in the hall household we have Jeff and his second
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wife Christa his two children Joseph and Shirley from Jeff's first marriage and then Jeff and Christ's three daughters
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so a larger family of seven all living Under One Roof it's such a common theme in this country where parents aren't
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able to take care of their one kids of the first marriage and then then the second marriage they go on to have more
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kids and it's like you couldn't take care of the first set of kids is it the ones that can't that can't take care of
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the kids the most tend to have the most kids yeah are you trying to have enough kids so that eventually in like a
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Shameless situation they just raise themselves they raise each other yeah or maybe they're just such a great tax
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write off well Jeff earned a living and provided for his big family with his job
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of course and Jeff is a plumber but then sometime in 2008 Jeff lost his job again
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we should keep in mind for those not old enough to have experienced this as an adult but the wicked Triad of the stock
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market crash the housing bubble bursting and the massive job loss truly affected
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everyone in some shape or form and of course some more than others in this country right as said in the trailer
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America America in most areas anyway stopped building houses and a lot of people lost their jobs and some
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companies were disappearing well he was a plumber but I think his specialty was new builds right and they really stopped
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building houses for years mhm and as said some companies were disappearing so even if you know you're laid off from
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your job but then eventually your company that you worked for goes away so that job disappears forever for eternity
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and it would take years for a lot of these jobs to return years for the economy to recover right
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but a plumber with new builds once the new builds go away you still have the trade of being a plumber and people
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always need plumbers right and and he lost his job and when he did he was not finding work and it sounds like this
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continued for some time a good deal of time upset by this and in what is just a display of bizarre ignorance Jeff
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decided that minorities and Jews were to blame for the thinning job market and his inability to find a job this is
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going off of the words of his mother I cannot tell you what influenced him to to decide to join the local Neo-Nazi
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movement but he did and her words are that it had to do with his inability to find a job well here's this guy that
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look the economy sucks your job is gone you can't find work or or maybe you're not really looking for work so then you
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start looking for somebody to blame and and then for whatever reason he's in a situation where there's a
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local Neo-Nazi group somehow he not only becomes a part of that he becomes a a thriving member yeah he becomes a bit of
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a leader in the local chapter now we mentioned that the unemployment rate peaked at 10%
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Nationwide but in Jeff's area in his local area it at one point was as high as 15% those numbers are normally skewed
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down so it could be as high as 20 25% for those that don't know and despite really what I think some may think the
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neo-nazism is a global phenomenon and it's not something that just is happening or happened in this country
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mhm uh but its representation is in other countries as well in fact in many countries and of
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course neo-nazis seek to employ their ideology to promote hatred and attack minorities and in some cases create a
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fascist State there's probably larger groups found in European countries than than are found in the states and as said
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he would grow to prominence amongst these idiots right so he becomes a bit of a he's a leader of idiots right right
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he becomes a bit of a leader a vocal guy vocal leader in his local chapter this is for the National Socialist movement
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or the NSM and I guess the NSM is the largest Neo-Nazi group in in this country maybe in most countries I I
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don't know enough about this to be honest with you here captain it's not something I've spent much time on in my
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lifetime reading about when you see some of these meetings they're pretty small and it also looks like the average
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person that's attending like it seems like there's some normal people or they appear to be normal and there's other
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ones that look like that maybe their parents were cousins um it's it's it's a unique group
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I mean it's it's like Walmart at at midnight uhoh that's that that's that's rude to
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the to the Walmart people well so he is involved in this group and as said he's a vocal leader
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now one thing where he really this really drops on the map where you start seeing this group not just being
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involved because they're always involved in these like protest and things like that but you see Jeff's heavy
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involvement this starts with a rally near a day laborer site in Jeff's hometown of Riverside California this
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was in October of 2009 now at the rally Jeff and the rest of his band of idiots wore World War II era Nazi uniforms you
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you know you don't have to use much of an imagination to picture one of those not only did he join this little hate
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Club but apparently these members like to play dress up as well well think about how stupid these individuals are
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we we can't get jobs we we're we're lazy that's that's how I'm taking it these guys are lazy I know people struggled
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through this time but they're protesting day labors guys that would sit on the corner somewhere and hoping somebody
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would pick them up to take them to a construction site or whatever instead of protesting maybe you should have been in
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that line wa to get picked up to do some work that day well Jeff would travel out
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of town and even out of state to join in on these rallies I mean there were there
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were at least two that he went to that were out of state I'm suspecting it was was several more and th look this is
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really when I question someone's motivations right when somebody is complaining that hey I'm involved in
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this or this got me involved in this because I couldn't find work if that's the Genesis of this whole weird hate
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club that you're in I don't understand why he's not spending more time out looking for work it seems to be a lot of
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time involved with this with his Neo-Nazi group and then also spending money on money that he does not have
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right on the on playing dress up with his friends right and basically it's because if I hang out with these losers
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I'm the king of the losers so it makes makes my dick feel a little bit bigger it's people giving him an excuse for
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this horrible behavior in 2010 Jeff Hall ran for election against an incumbent for the Western Municipal Water District
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board as a member of the National Socialist movement Jeff to what I hope is to the astonishment of everyone
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listening he received about a third of the vote that's right just a little more and Jeff would have been elected and the
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good people of Riverside California would have had a hate fueled racist sitting on the board of Municipal Water
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District this when people look at this from the outside looking in especially people in other countries they'll go
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that makes sense because America is quote unquote a racist country that this guy managed to get a third of the vote
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one problem amongst other problems that we have here in the states is that people and communities pay very little
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attention to local elections our voter turnout rate for local elections is is really despicable
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right people don't pay attention they don't know what's going on they don't care and therefore they don't vote now
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when you have a guy as vocal as Jeff Hall who says hey I'm with this NSM he's preaching to his NSM brothers and
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sisters and saying hey get out there and vote for me votee for me because then you're putting one of you on this Board
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of Water and actually the board of water there is a decent amount of power that comes with that I won't go too much into
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it because I one I don't know a whole lot about it but anybody that has seen one of my favorite shows Goliath season
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3 will understand that there is a decent amount of power and responsibility that
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comes with this position he did not get elected in March of 20 Hall and his group of about two dozen
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white supremists took to the streets in the affluent primarily residential Claremont Los Angeles County sometimes
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called the quote city of trees and phds they had a screaming confrontation with counter-protesters of more than 200
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immigrant rights activists who who declared the group as racist dozens of officers from several
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police agencies were on hand to keep the peace now during this whole three-year time period remember Jeff divorced his
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first wife the mother of two of his children Joseph and Shirley years ago and the kids were taken from her his
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first wife eventually moved out of the state of California and remarried but in early
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2011 she moved back to California and because she did such a great job as a mother the first time she was attempting
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to regain custody of Shirley and Joseph in all fairness though people make mistakes people should be allowed the
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opportunity to turn their life around and get back involved with their children's lives agreed now according to
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Jeff's mother Joanne Patterson she says that little Joseph was a difficult child
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he was volatile and at times even violent yeah it said he was kind of a odd duck from the beginning
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well this all to the point that Joseph was kicked out of several different schools over the years I saw one report
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that said he attended I believe seven different schools I'm guessing he was kicked out of all of them wow uh some of
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the more notable offenses committed by Joseph he attacked students he attacked School staff I believe he was accused or
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did stab another another child with a pencil and he was even um expelled for choking
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a teacher with a phone cord so this is a very violent little child yeah it's the
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chicken or the egg though because he was also I guess violently disciplined by his father he was abused is is the way
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that I I see this and I don't mean to argue that point but I'm just saying from everything that I read it wasn't a
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situation a where Dad gets drunk and mad and starts punching everybody it seems to me like this situation was kid gets
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in trouble dad takes the P takes the punishment too far the kid experienced in his still abuse yeah in his 10 years
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of life up to this point the kid experienced 20 times that child protective services were called on his
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parents and they did not remove the child from the house maybe they didn't find anything wrong going on but usually
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where there's smoke there's fire and that's that's 20 calls and the other thing too a lot of
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his his behavior and and the the problems that that Joseph has a lot of this stems from something we talked
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about a few weeks ago with jelik rain Walker's case it's a very similar situation during the pregnancy with
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Joseph mommy and daddy were drinking and using drugs you know Mom was using smack
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and drinking alcohol all the time and I understand she's the one carrying the baby dad's just as much to blame he was
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using drugs and drinking as well during that pregnancy so they had a real problem with Joseph controlling his
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behavior and then it sounds like as the captain pointed out a real hob a real problem with Jeff controlling his
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behavior as well the difficult thing with Joseph though is the real problem is not just controlling his actions but
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it also seems like the understanding of consequences of his actions his grandmother said that that
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Joseph doesn't understand cause and effect and I think that this statement here Captain is a bit more complicated
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than just the way it sounds on the surface so Joseph having the inability to comprehend the consequences of of his
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actions goes beyond just his failure to understand that he does something bad he
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will be held accountable and there will be a punishment for his bad behavior but
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also it's his failure to recognize and be able to understand that his actions also have lasting effects and
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consequences on others as well meaning he doesn't understand that if he violently attacks someone it's not just
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Joseph acting out it's not just Joseph getting that anger and aggression out of his system it is him physically hurting
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and causing harm to someone or something his violence can have a real impact can
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the people in the back did you have fun in Jamaica I did Jamaica had fun because
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I was there well it's we're all glad that you're back I'm I'm glad to be back all right Captain let's get back at it
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we are now at April of 2011 and Jeff's little dress up hate Club well they're getting some media
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attention on Saturday April 30th a reporter was on location at Jeff Hall's home this was for the purpose of
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witnessing one of their meetings this was a typical Saturday meeting I don't know if they were hosted at every other
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Saturday it's my understanding it wasn't every Saturday right but they called this their Saturday meeting hosted by
00:31:12
Jeff at his home at his house and at this meeting his wife and children are present there is some video footage of
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small portions of this meeting that are available does not appear that the children were participating in the
00:31:30
meeting they were simply there and can be seen running in and out of the house it's more more like a family Barbecue so
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they might not have been participating in the conversations being had during the meetings
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but when reporters talk to his mother about how these meetings went down she said look these were these seem like
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family barbecues where people are happy to see each other having some drinks grilling out food and and kids would be
00:32:01
running around playing yes that is a part of it but I I want to be clear there is some formalities to these to
00:32:08
these barbecues they they are official meetings and you can see video footage of individuals taking turns standing at
00:32:16
the front of the room addressing the rest of the group her sitting in rows uh hanging on every word of the person
00:32:24
giving their speech at the time well and and I want to be clear though too they're they're not forcing the
00:32:30
10-year-old to sit down and listen to every word but those kids are in that area so they're going to hear all those
00:32:37
words right that's what I mean they're going to hear all this hate speech you can see the children in the video
00:32:42
footage that I saw you can see them running in and out of the house repeatedly opening and closing the
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sliding glass door to access the backyard and then to come back in from time to time so you're exactly right
00:32:55
they are hearing ing this and it looks like most of the meeting portion was held in Jeff's living room and following
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a round of hate speech they would finish off the get together with a cookout and
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then oftentimes games as well the reporter interviewed Jeff and other members of the group and even spoke with
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little 10-year-old Joseph who showed off a leather belt bearing a silver Insignia
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of the Nazi SS that his father gave to him the article would run in the New York Times in May of 201 the title was
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white supremist immigrant rights activist face off in Claremont this would be Jeff Hall's last NSM meeting
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you say it's called a NSM National Socialist movement not smart men right or no this is my
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favorite no stiff members well in all fairness they were females members as well that's why the
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members couldn't have stiff members at 4:02 a.m. May 1st 2011 26-year-old Christa McCary calls 911 yelling into
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the phone she explains that her husband has been shot she's reporting her husband 32-year-old Jeff Hall has been
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shot in the head there is some audio available online I've only managed to hear a clip of it so not the full audio
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file but you can hear Christa yelling and you can also hear what sounds like children crying in the background she
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says that her husband has been shot and the shooter was her son Joseph when asked by the operator how
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old is your son Christa says 10 and the operator clearly surprised by the answer
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or maybe even to the point of believing they did not hear the woman correctly says
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again what age is your son and Christa says 10 now if I could Captain I'd like to read for you and everyone else a
00:35:06
police report filed with the County of Riverside Supreme Court of California this was filed May 17th 2011 and I think
00:35:16
this best describes what the police findings were regarding this homicide all right now mind you this is an
00:35:24
official document filed with the court so it does get a little repetitive as you must use names as much as possible
00:35:32
to make it super clear who is doing or saying what well I think me and the listeners are all used to you being
00:35:41
repetitive on May 1st 2011 Riverside PD was dispatched to and the address is redacted in the city of Riverside
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California upon arrival Jeffrey Hall was found deceased on the couch with a gunshot wound to the the left side of
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his head there were five children ages 10 9 7 3 and 2 months old in the residence along with their mother
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Christa McCary those subjects were removed from the residence and transported to the
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Magnolia police station for interviews detective Roberta hopwell conducted interviews with four of the five
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children obviously the two-month-old was not interviewed during the interviews three
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of the four children knew where Christa and Jeffrey kept their gun and the youngest named redacted 3 years old knew
00:36:38
the gun was in the house okay so before we we move on from that Captain let's clear that up what they're saying is
00:36:44
there's five children in the home the one's just a baby we we can't interview the baby but of the four kids that we
00:36:51
did interview three of them knew exactly where the gun was that was used to kill
00:36:57
Jeff Hall located in the home where the parents hid it and the youngest of these
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four did not know exactly where it was but knew that there was a gun present in the house MH so it's no secret that
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there are firearms in the house and these children know how to some of them know how to access this firearm the
00:37:19
oldest child which is Joseph admitted during the interview that he was tired of his dad hitting him and his mom
00:37:27
now he calls his stepmom mom just to be clear he's known her for for years and Christa really is the closest thing he
00:37:36
has to to a mother she's the acting mother Joseph said that he thought his dad was cheating on his mom and thought
00:37:44
he might have to choose which person he would live with Joseph told detective hope well he knew his mom and dad had a
00:37:53
gun and knew where they kept it Joseph said he went into his mom and dad's closet got the gun which is a Rossy 357
00:38:03
revolver from a low shelf in the closet Joseph said it was right there on the Shelf Joseph told detective hopwell that
00:38:12
he went downstairs with the gun pulled the hammer back aimed the gun at his dad's ear while he was asleep and shot
00:38:21
him Joseph said he went upstairs and hid the gun under his bed that is where the
00:38:26
responding officers did find the gun when they arrived at the house detective Hopewell asked Shirley 9 years old about
00:38:36
the guns that were in the house Shirley described the gun as small and black she
00:38:41
said mom keeps it on the shelf behind the jewelry box she said that all the kids knew where mom kept the gun Shirley
00:38:50
said mom had a small gun and dad had a big one there was also a rifle that was found in that same closet Shirley said
00:38:59
all the guns were kept in the closet she said that she had been Target practicing
00:39:03
with Mom and Dad but was told not to touch the guns detective Hopewell talked to now the name is redacted I don't know
00:39:12
the name of this child but it's the seven-year-old daughter who said she knew mom had a gun in the house and dad
00:39:20
had a gun she said mom kept the gun in her closet where the clothes jewelry and other important stuff are she described
00:39:28
the gun as black and silver she described the gun sitting on a low shelf and this little girl put her hand
00:39:36
up during the interview to about the level of her forehead and said that that is how high the Shelf was so this is a
00:39:44
low shelf in the closet the girl said that dad had a big gun obviously describing the rifle that she saw him
00:39:52
shoot at target practice and that he keeps it in the closet continuing on page two The Residence at again address
00:40:01
redacted was filthy there was dirty clothing on the floors everywhere you couldn't walk through the upstairs rooms
00:40:09
without stepping on clothing on the floor the bedrooms smelled like urine the bedroom mattresses pillows and
00:40:17
blankets were stained and soiled the floors were dirty and didn't appear to have been vacuumed in a long time the
00:40:24
bathrooms upstairs were also filthy officers located the 357 Magnum Revolver under the bed in Joseph's room
00:40:35
officers also located an empty holster on the described lower shelf in the closet of the master
00:40:42
bedroom a bolt action rifle was also found in a locked case on a higher shelf in the
00:40:49
closet there were several edged weapons in the closet of the master bedroom there were also accessible to the
00:40:58
children knives bladed weapons that sort of thing the downstairs was very dirty empty beer bottles were in the area and
00:41:08
National Socialist movement flag in California Republic flag were hanging in the living room a 22 caliber rifle was
00:41:17
located in the garage leaning against a wall accessible to the children the rifle was unloaded there was an unlocked
00:41:26
cabinet in the garage with ammunition approximately 10 ft from the rifle the cabinet contained 22 caliber long rifle
00:41:34
ammunition as well as several edged weapons that were accessible to the children this detective goes on to State
00:41:41
I interviewed Christa about any abuse in the house against the children Christa said Jeffrey has been violent with
00:41:48
Joseph and herself Christa said Jeffrey kicks hits and yells at Joseph more than
00:41:55
the other children Christa said that Jeffrey did these things to punish Joseph Christa said
00:42:02
Joseph would get punished for being too loud or getting in jeffy's way he's kid's getting punished for for pretty
00:42:09
small infractions right Christa said Jeffrey would get out of control when he punished Joseph including punching and
00:42:17
kicking him several times in the back Chris said Joseph would get punished on a daily basis but not always to the
00:42:24
extreme punching and kicking Christa said Jeffrey would also punish the girls but not like he would punish Joseph
00:42:30
Christa said the girls would get yelled at pushed and spanked by Jeffrey for their punishment the detective says I
00:42:38
interviewed Christa about the weapons that were in the house Christa said there were two guns and she knew that
00:42:44
they were registered to Jeffrey the officer says they were not registered to there was no registration located so
00:42:52
they weren't registered to anybody that's what it sounds like or at least based off of 6 days of Investigation
00:42:59
that's what they came up with I don't know what they found after this was filed Christa said there was a rifle
00:43:06
that was kept somewhere in the closet and they also had a black revolver in a holster the black revolver is the one
00:43:12
found under Joseph Joseph's bed used to kill his father Chris said the revolver was located on the lower shelf in the
00:43:20
closet and she admitted that the revolver was on a low shelf where the kids had access to it Christa said that
00:43:28
Jeffrey kept it there so he had access to it Christa said that she did not think the children knew where the gun
00:43:35
was kept obviously we've interviewed four of the five children and had the the youngest child been old enough she
00:43:45
would have known where the gun was as well right cuz three out of the four know exactly where it is and and the
00:43:51
fourth child knows that it's in the house somewhere well this is laziness upon your responsibilities and I I want
00:43:59
to go back to one of the things that you said is when you see the reports there's cameras inside their
00:44:07
home it doesn't seem a mess to me or I agree dirty at all I mean that what you described that's abuse to have your kids
00:44:21
sleeping on piss-filled beds for your house to be that dirty that's abuse that is laziness of your
00:44:31
responsibilities so if you're not even willing to clean up your or help your kids clean up their
00:44:37
bedrooms are you going to really know if the your guns are secured and away from
00:44:43
your children well but what I see here Captain is no attempt to secure the guns it's not like they oh we forgot and this
00:44:51
happened it it just appears that there there's no attempt to really the most most that they're doing to keep these
00:44:58
guns from the kids is to tell the kids don't touch the gun yeah but it's just so weird to me cuz and again I'm not the
00:45:06
reporter but the house doesn't look dirty so the fact that the upstairs is just a disaster area but you have to
00:45:13
believe it I mean it's it's a official report but it's very possible they go oh well we have some a news reporters
00:45:21
coming over we got to clean the downstairs real quick and that's what I think happened and I agree with you that
00:45:26
was what jumped off the page to me immediately I'm like wait a second I just watched video footage now mind you
00:45:32
it's not they're not going around and looking in every crack and crevice of the house two rooms it's two rooms that
00:45:37
you see and you're getting really a you know ey level view of the living room and maybe portions of the kitchen at
00:45:45
times but that's what I thought too I'm like wait a second this this report what
00:45:51
they're reporting here in this court report is from roughly about 12 12 or less than 12 hours later from what was
00:45:59
videotaped right on the day before and I'm like that house didn't look dirty to me and it to be honest with you it
00:46:05
looked fairly clean the the small portions I could see but you're right the the report as it reads is clearly
00:46:12
specifically talking about the upstairs of the house which is not visible in any
00:46:17
part of the video footage that I saw yeah so we go on about we're talking about the inability or the the lack of
00:46:25
caring to secure these guns away from the children it sounds like you know old Jeff wants to have at least this handgun
00:46:33
accessible to him at the quick so in that thought he's not gone a step further to have it available to him but
00:46:43
not to the children or anyone else and the detective does get Christa to admit on the record it says right here Christa
00:46:52
admitted the closet door does not have a lock on it so they don't even have the ability to
00:46:58
lock the closet door to keep these guns from the children to which after that statement the detective says I advised
00:47:07
her that there was so much junk and clothes on the floor that I did not think the closet door could shut Christa
00:47:15
just acted surprised that the children knew about the gun Christa said that Jeffrey did bring the gun out
00:47:22
occasionally and put it on the nightstand for protection Christa said Jeffrey took Joseph target
00:47:29
shooting when they went to a border trip so Joseph knew how to shoot guns the detective goes on to state that the
00:47:38
conditions of the he says apartment which seems confusing to me because it very much it's always described
00:47:45
everywhere else as a house and it looks like a house to me yeah I thought you can see that outside of the house during
00:47:51
the report as well yeah I don't know if maybe it was a duplex or right but but it looks it's a house right we
00:47:57
can agree on that or maybe they're renting the house so that's where the term apartment come from I don't know
00:48:04
the detective says that the conditions were filthy and not sanitary for the four children and infant to live in the
00:48:11
residence was also unsafe with loaded weapons as well as edged weapons readily accessible to all of the children there
00:48:20
appeared to be some abuse of the children by Jeffrey according to Christa although there were no cruises found at
00:48:26
the time of these interviews there have been numerous contacts to this family by
00:48:32
Child Protective Services but most of the allegations were unfounded due to a bitter child custody dispute over Joseph
00:48:40
and Shirley by jeffy's ex-wife that is the official report that was filed for the court system right so we have this
00:48:50
10-year-old that doesn't seem to understand a great deal about cause and effect effect it seems also like he's
00:48:58
been abused by both sets of parents and he's been in situations where the situation becomes abusive being dirty or
00:49:07
PE filled beds and and then his dad becomes the leader of losers and he's constantly probably speaking hate speak
00:49:19
plus speaking about violence towards other people yeah and it's I mean look it's a
00:49:28
we talked about the stock market crash and all of the the bad practices and Mis dealings that were going on behind the
00:49:36
scenes that really led to that where you see something that hey this is inevitable there is going to be
00:49:44
something bad that will come of this that's the same thing with Joseph he's born with behavior issues and
00:49:52
disabilities because Mom was using and drinking during the pregnancy he's a victim day one on this planet on the Big
00:50:00
Blue Marble and then he's raised by a guy that can't control his actions right you're trying to you're trying to teach
00:50:08
this kid to learn about consequences learn cause and effect learn to behave learn to control your actions but yet
00:50:16
the the father in the household every time he gets mad or see something or hear something he doesn't like it's a
00:50:22
smack or it's a whack or it's a yell it's the father using violence to solve his
00:50:29
problems does not teach the child to do anything different right it's a very lazy way of trying to discipline the
00:50:36
child and on top of that you have again these children are born with these lazy parents and then the parents continue to
00:50:43
have more children it's like you're you're too lazy to one take care of yourself let alone take it care of a
00:50:50
child that you brought into this Earth and now you're going to have five of them to take care of it's ridiculous
00:50:56
and you you also have a man who is preaching that there are masses of people out in this world that are lesser
00:51:02
than you that are not equal to you to a 10-year-old does he even identify that what that
00:51:11
means does what is his understanding of all this hate speak that's going on and look when the camera was
00:51:19
on it I mean it it didn't sound super crazy super violent stuff that they were preaching right but who knows once that
00:51:27
camera was off what kind of talk was going on was this man screaming about genocide right right but these
00:51:35
were let's not get it twisted what they were saying was uncomfortable to hear if
00:51:41
I heard that in public I'm be the first one to say you need to shut your mouth you don't know what you're talking about
00:51:49
you know I mean uncomfortable to hear I'm sorry go ahead what I'm saying is in their meetings what they're talking
00:51:58
about is it's still hate speak they might not be saying we're going to go around killing every agreed yeah 100
00:52:05
yeah I'm I'm not confused about that right what I'm saying is it's speak that I wouldn't stand for whether it's in
00:52:11
somebody else's house or in public but yeah I'm wondering how far does it go when the cameras aren't there I mean we
00:52:17
have we have a lot of things going on and and again we're getting the perspective of a 10-year-old but he
00:52:25
saying some pretty scary things to the detectives when he's being interviewed look this
00:52:32
this statement by Joseph is terrifying he's told police that a few days before the shooting his
00:52:39
father Jeff threatened to remove all of the smoke detectors in the home and set the house on fire while the family is
00:52:48
sleeping right that's horrifying if that really happened that is a horrifying thing for a child to hear and then let's
00:52:57
times that by 10 because it's your own father saying that to you or to your family this is this child is telling
00:53:04
police and detectives that he is being hit and kicked by this man and he's also witnessing his mother who technically is
00:53:14
his stepmother but to him it's his mother being abused by this man as well hit and he even describes that a few
00:53:21
days before he shoots his father that that Jeff threw a glass or or a beer bottle or something of that nature at
00:53:29
Christa cutting her on her face and I find it interesting that in that report he
00:53:35
says he kind of feels like there is a divorce that's going to there's going to be a split up that's going to happen
00:53:41
between Mom and Dad he's going to have to go choose who he lives with you almost wonder he's old enough to know
00:53:48
and understand that Christa is not his biological mother that maybe he won't get a choice he'll be stuck with this
00:53:54
piece he's a [ __ ] loser the guy that he's scared of he's afraid of his father his father was de good hand and his and
00:54:01
his father pissed it all way and was lazy and didn't work hard and then wants to point the finger at everybody and
00:54:08
wants to blame everybody in other cultures and other religion and people of other colors are all to blame but
00:54:16
himself he's not he's blaming everybody but himself and this weak minded piece of [ __ ] then
00:54:25
takes it out on children and his wife that shows you how big of a loser this guy was of course if he's if he's
00:54:34
blaming masses of people for his for his failures of course he's blaming his own
00:54:42
family behind closed doors for those failures as well or for his own unhappiness yeah and he strikes out and
00:54:49
lashes out at them like like a like a child would like a like a like a infant throw or a toddler throwing a temper
00:54:57
tantrum that just shows that all their their hate speech and all their rhetoric is nonsense I mean these people that go
00:55:06
well we just want to protect the white race you don't want to protect the white race you don't even want to protect your
00:55:12
own children they're sleeping in pee filled beds you're protecting your children you massive pile of [ __ ] of
00:55:21
course Joseph was arrested he was taken to uh juvenile juvenile hall the other four children were taken into protective
00:55:29
custody this is because Christa was later arrested and charged with criminal storage of firearms and child neglect
00:55:38
look he I'm for people owning guns but the most important part of owning Firearms is being a
00:55:47
responsible owner of firearms and understanding that you you are responsible for that gun at at all times
00:55:56
right no matter where it is no matter where you are you are the one that needs to conceal that and keep it locked away
00:56:04
from a child this this boy regardless of his problems even regardless of the abuse that's going on let's set that all
00:56:11
aside but this kid knew where this gun was and when he talks to police he clearly you can blame this on his age
00:56:20
you can blame this on his disability you can blame it on everything Under the Sun but when he's talking to
00:56:28
detectives he's saying things that are clear that he does not understand the consequences of putting that Gun and
00:56:35
shooting his father behind the left ear at zero range at near zero range he shot
00:56:41
this man right he says to detectives I just wanted to I just thought I would teach him a lesson I just thought that I
00:56:49
I would teach my father how it feels to be hurt and maybe he would learn something from this and we could be
00:56:55
friends again he also asked the detective how many lives does a person get he in some other questioning he says
00:57:04
to says about his father I I hope we can be friends again uh if he's not dead he
00:57:10
doesn't understand what he did or what's going on and and guns and ammunition readily available to to a child of that
00:57:18
age very very dangerous yeah partly that's disability but also that's partly his age the yeah but but also the lack
00:57:27
of responsibility that his parents took upon themselves it's just like if you saw a 10-year-old that didn't know how
00:57:34
to ride a bike you don't blame the 10-year-old for not knowing how to ride a bike the parents never took the time
00:57:39
to try to teach the child so the fact that this kid never had maybe never had a conversation on a on life and reality
00:57:49
and anything right but this is a whole different story maybe not even a story story at all if they would have bothered
00:57:56
to just lock up the guns now Joanne Patterson Jeff Hall's mother and Joseph's grandmother she was given temporary
00:58:06
custody of the other four children on a interview that she did with 60 minutes she said that she was not surprised that
00:58:15
Joseph killed his father but she expected it would not have happened until her grandson was much
00:58:23
older on Jan uary 14th 2013 Joseph Hall despite his age at the time of the killing was found to be
00:58:33
responsible for Jeff Hall's death Joseph was sentenced to a Juvenile Detention Facility until he reaches the age of
00:58:41
23 he is eligible for parole at the age of 20 Joseph turned 20 years old in June
00:58:50
of this year so then again it becomes the conversation of chicken the egg and as far as 10year olds or or I guess
00:58:59
young children committing violence against their parents that would end in death
00:59:06
there's not that many cases it seems like there's multiple reports that I've seen where it's like nine 10 year old
00:59:14
since 1980 and then I've seen also reports where it's like this happens roughly once a year but I thought something that
00:59:24
was kind of of telling from the grandmother was that she suspected that her grandson would eventually kill his
00:59:32
father it just would happen later in life yeah I mean so let's let's analyze that for a second I I take her statement
00:59:41
to mean possibly a couple things maybe it's her opinion that this boy Joseph was was
00:59:52
violent and misbehaved and misunderstood the world from day one and it never changed and it never changed when he was
01:00:02
five when he was seven when he was 10 years old it never changed and he was violent enough that that she believed
01:00:09
you know it's difficult when you analyze her statement because you go does does that mean she believed he would kill
01:00:16
someone or or specifically kill his father right at some point in his life you also have to wonder is she deflating
01:00:27
the blame that that you could put on the victim here and that's what's very difficult in the telling of this story
01:00:34
and even when you hear interviews by the family of Joseph of Jeffrey Hall and Joseph Hall you have a situation where
01:00:44
look the victim is not likable the the victim is is talking about some pretty disgusting and disgraceful things and
01:00:52
teaching them to his children likely definitely teaching them to not only his children but other children and it's
01:01:01
hard because you don't want to victim blame somebody and again the problem with death in this case is This
01:01:10
Racist bastard you can't write his wrongs either because he's dead so there's there's no change in him now yeah but
01:01:22
then on the on the flip side of things would he have gotten worse and would he have made this small group of
01:01:32
small-minded individuals would he have made them stronger and would they have caused harm and would it have gone from
01:01:41
not just protesting and hate speech to actually criminal activities against other people and you wonder if it's just
01:01:49
a better world now because he's not here well it's exactly the same thing that we
01:01:55
talked about a few weeks ago when we were talking about the 1995 article written by criminologist John delulio
01:02:03
where he's discussing look when you raise children in a in a terrible environment that is filled with with
01:02:12
hate or neglect or or violence this is what you're teaching them to become right they they they F
01:02:22
they become one of those three things where they either neglect their own children or they grow up to become
01:02:28
violent and you start to see that violence lashing out to others in the communi in the early ages of even
01:02:37
teenage years and with with Joseph again it's a difficult situation Captain because his
01:02:45
statements to police clearly show to me he does not understand the ramifications
01:02:50
of his actions or anything that he did that night it doesn't it doesn't make it that he should not be punished right and
01:03:00
I say that because what you're doing is you're creating a dangerous situation for the public if you continue to allow
01:03:07
this child to to live in a community you're you're putting everybody else in danger because of that and
01:03:15
hopefully hopefully he was young enough when he went into the system and look I'm going to get attacked for this
01:03:21
because there's not a lot of people that like the system I don't blame you not I'm not cheering on the prison system
01:03:27
here but what I am hoping for in Joseph's case is that he can live in an environment that has clear rules that
01:03:36
are black and white that there are no gray area there is no father smacking punching kicking him there is no father
01:03:45
overreacting and beating him up over something that this child is able to live in an environment where there are
01:03:52
clear-cut rules that there's some form of Education that he can get and maybe he can live in an environment where he
01:04:00
can be rehabilitated and he can move on from this at some point because we are already at a point where parole is is a
01:04:10
discussion for this young man yeah it's really interesting because when he asks the
01:04:16
question how many lives does my father get it's very clear that the child doesn't understand what it is to be
01:04:27
human but clearly his father believing that there's some kind of superior race or that we're
01:04:37
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