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Jennifer kessie it's time to bring Jennifer kessie home if you have any information about where Jennifer is who
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please do the right [Music] [Music] thing in regards to The Disappearance and Abduction of Jennifer kessie
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Sergeant Barbara Jones of the Orlando Police Department had this to say quote we established a timeline of Monday when
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she last talked to Rob which was about 10: p.m. to Thursday at around 8:06 when a resident of that condominium complex
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located her car so that's about a 58h hour window she goes on to say we did obtain some video surveillance at the
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Condominiums where her vehicle was found and that surveillance video depicted a picture of a pedestrian which we're
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classifying as a person of interest that video was taken on Tuesday the 24th at around 12: noon so Monday at 10 p.m.
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until the following day at 12:00 noon is the time frame where we had that pedestrian who is a person of interest
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in this case that we're desperately trying to find out who that is to see what they know about possibly the
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whereabouts of Jennifer kessie this has been one of the big questions in this case so let's take a look at the
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possibilities of a nighttime time abduction versus morning abduction when exactly Jennifer was taken is an
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extremely divisive subject in this case there are two schools of thought and both we discussed a bit last week and
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more importantly both have evidence backing them up this is one of the biggest mysteries wrapped inside this
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larger mystery when you have a big fat Blank Spot in your timeline it is so key and instrumental to the investigation
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that you shrink that window of time a bit squeeze the breeze and close that window a little so now we are looking at
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a 14-hour window for the purpose of her vehicle but more like just under 13 hours when you factor in the important
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11:00 a.m. meeting she planned on attending at work that day and then very likely all the way to 7:45 a.m. when she
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should have been leaving for work to get there at 8:00 a.m. now Captain it seems
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obvious that the Cassies continue to believe that Jennifer was abducted in the morning as she left for work and
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there is quite a bit of evidence to support this Theory yeah let's go through this evidence okay so one thing
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we have to factor in is Jenifer told Rob on the phone the night before that she was already in bed the other item is we
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have a wet shower damp towel which show so many people say that this is proof that she sh in the morning just before
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the time that she would usually leave for work right Jen's contact lenses were missing and her glasses were on the sink
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implying that she woke up that morning took off the glasses during the portion of getting ready for work she applies
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her contact lenses the bathroom sink we find her makeup and hair dryer was out on the countertop her pajamas were on
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the floor the bed had been slept in or at the very least was UN made we do have to factor some other things in regarding
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an unmade bed but but I think it's somewhat fair to say that Logan and his friends who stayed there that weekend
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before leaving an unmade bed at her condo when she was so nice to let them stay there would be would just be rude
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or disrespectful to to the owner of the condo right and Monday night was her first night back so if someone was in
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the bed it almost certainly had to be her the work clothes that she had there were two outfits laid out that were
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found on the bed and these were clothes these were outfits that would match the missing shoes those those shoes that she
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was so proud of her mother says look she's trying to pair outfits with with her shoes that she wanted to wear to
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work that day she told me she was going to be wearing these shoes to work that day yeah this is business casual outfits
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not something you'd think that she would wear at night so all of these things point to Jennifer going to bed on Monday
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night waking up on Tuesday going about her normal morning routine and then Vanishing before she ever made it to the
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office that day by this Theory someone would have been waiting for her outside of her condo or possibly at the bottom
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of the stairs knowing that she would come down immediately this calls to mind the jod hen Tru case we covered in
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episodes 208 and 209 but unlike jod Jennifer was not heard screaming she didn't drop all of her
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things on the ground and there were no drag marks the more popular belief is that she was abducted at or in her
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vehicle if someone was waiting for her and she unlocked the car mind you she's juggling all of these items that she has
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with her her phone Travis's phone her brief case in her purse someone could have tasered or Chlor formed her and
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shoved her in the vehicle and drove off or as she unlocked her car and went to load her stuff in a van could have
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pulled up and hauled her in and someone else drive her car away to make it look like she had left if either of these two
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things are what happened whoever took Jennifer must have known that no one was likely to be around to witness this
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abduction keep in mind this was broad daylight when Jen usually left for work and taking her from a visible parking
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lot is quite risky on the other hand there are strong proponents of the theory that Jennifer was abducted at
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night as we said the Orlando Police Department at least initially embraced this Theory saying that her cell phone
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seemed to be on the Move late Monday night perhaps she had gone out to find a FedEx location to send Travis's phone
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although she had told Logan her brother that she would mail it on Tuesday the cessie say there is no way that she
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would have gone out and that this would have happened but one thing that Drew Cassie alluded to does bolster the
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nighttime abduction theory he said that while Jennifer was on the phone that Monday night someone knocked on her door
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Jennifer looked through the peephole and said that it was the male neighbor and that she was going she wasn't going to
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open the door but this story is very strange for one thing we know that Jennifer didn't really have many
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neighbors keep in mind this condominium complex it's about half empty at this time right by some reports only two
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people lived in her wing of that building this also goes along with the fact that nobody heard a scream there
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might not have been anybody there to hear a scream yeah the old if a tree falls in the woods situation right and
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for someone as safety conscious as Jen it's a little bizarre that she didn't make more of this incident the knocking
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on the door at night this has led to much speculation that Jennifer knew who was at the door and maybe possibly lied
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to whomever she was talking to which I believe was Rob at this time perhaps then letting the person in because she
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knows them but not wanting to tell her boyfriend hey this person I know is at the door and I'm I'm letting them in at
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night yeah well and you also wondered too if she let her brother and his friends stay at her condo is this just
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the neighbor coming by to check in on her or tell her that they were Rowdy or tell her that there was no problems with
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them all weekend so here's the thing that I I think we should address before we move on too far
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is we are hearing this story of someone knocking on her door Monday night around
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10 o'clock or just after 10 o'clock basically third or fourth Hand by this point we're hearing it from her father
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who is discussing a conversation she was I believe to have been having with somebody else with Rob so we're getting
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this information from Rob to Drew and then Drew her father is passing it along to the public and one thing that I heard
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when this was discussed was a reference to not only that this was a a male neighbor but I
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believe that one time Drew used the the words or the sentence Oh it must be the man upstairs you know like a neighbor
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man that lived above her and I got to thinking about this Captain I wonder having lived in apartments and you've
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lived in apartments and we lived in one together and remember I would always blast my music and you were a jerk I I
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didn't mean to be a jerk but I was I was insensitive to those around us and therefore I tried to become friends with
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the one neighbor neor who I was bothering the most with the the loud music yeah so we were on a firstname
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basis with him as he was often reminding me could you please turn down the music
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it's late at night where my mind kind of goes with this is sometimes when we lived in our
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apartment you would hear a knock and assume that it was coming that someone was knocking on your door then you go
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and you look through the peephole and there's nobody there and then you figure it out you put it together you're like
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oh I'm hearing somebody knock on the neighbor's door I wonder if if there's a chance that no one was there and that
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that statement that Jennifer made was just interpreted wrong is there a chance that she is on the phone middle of the
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conversation goes up I think I just heard somebody knock at the door gets up looks at the people there's no one there
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but her statement is oh it must be the man upstairs I'm not going to open up the door right well it must be the man
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upstairs May mean she thinks that the knock is on the neighbor's door upstairs I'm not going to open the door and this
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is really just nothing that has to do with her disappearance at all right or like you said it's somebody else and
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she's telling her boyfriend it's just the neighbor right this really cute guy just knocked on my door yummy now
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another fact that could add to the nighttime abduction theory is something that Joyce kessie said and this was that
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a men's siiz medium banana republic sweater was found in Jennifer's laundry hamper under some other clothes now Rob
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her boyfriend was a size large he says this was not his sweater but there could be a possible explanation for this a
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very simple one it actually could have belonged to Jennifer even though it was a men's sweater many women buy men's
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clothing cozy casual laying around the house kind of thing or just for some kind of look that she was going for
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Jennifer keep in mind was was 5'8 and 130 lb so she probably I asked a few of our lady friends or my lady friends and
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several of them said that this would fit like a men's siiz medium that sweater could have belonged to some dude or it
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could have belonged to Jennifer and again just like the knock it could be something that has nothing to do with
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the case at all that it's not important it was found in her condo because that's
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where you would expect find it if you knew it was hers the thing about all of this stuff uh especially the sweater
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let's let's dig through the sweater real quick because here's one one piece of of
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information that we do know that comes to mind we have her mother that she had conversations with Jennifer regarding
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outfits shoes we know that to be true right so what I'm thinking about here is when the parents and brother and and
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brother's friend arrive at her condo and they're looking through her things and they're going oh this looks like a
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morning abduction or it looks like she went vanished sometime in the morning because it appears that she was getting
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ready for work we have two outfits right that are lying out they're they're prepped they're sitting there waiting
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for her to compare them to the shoes or consider wearing them to work that day if she did in fact get ready for work
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and left that day wearing those shoes that her mother says that she wanted to that day then there is an outfit missing
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what this tells me is that even though we have all of these conversations and her family knew her well she had lived
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on her own for quite some time her mother is not able to provide anybody saying this is the outfit that was
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missing from her condo right she was wearing something this is what was missing we don't have that so I wouldn't
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expect her parents to be able to provide us with a full inventory of all of her clothing I think very likely that this
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sweater just belongs to Jennifer Cassie yeah it also could be like an ex-boyfriend sweater that she just liked
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and kept kept around yeah many people have also suggested that because of Logan and Travis and then even her
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ex-boyfriend Matt visiting her condo that weekend before they've questioned could this just simply be one of their
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sweaters I think not because it seems too it seems too easy for one of those three young men to identify this as
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theirs right now the biggest reason we need to consider a possible nighttime abduction is Jennifer's cell phone now
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as we heard from Drew kessie police said based on cell tower ping evidence that Jennifer was out and about on that
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Monday night possibly even going to a sketchy area as they called it because because her phone and Travis's phone
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were pinging on Towers indicating that she was out and about and that could indicate that she left sometime after
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that phone call with Rob that night right let's keep in mind this was 2006 before cell tracking technology was
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as sophisticated as it is today it was hardly an exact science as we know from Cal but the Ping's pointed out by the
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Orlando Police Department made no sense and this is according to Drew kessie he stated that the Orlando Police
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Department ping results should be completely disregarded apparently they showed Jennifer's phone pinging on two
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separate Towers miles apart at almost the exact same time right obviously this could not accurately reflect the
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whereabouts of her phone since she could not be in two places at once once according to Drew Verizon had the pings
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happening quote all over the place further the Orlando Police Department told Drew kessie at one point that Jen's
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phone and Travis's phone appear to have been powered down or had the batteries removed sometime around 10:40 or 10:50
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p.m. on Monday night we can only presume that the Orlando Police Department believed this because the phones stopped
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pinging at this time but they have since backed off of this time frame the police
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department and the Cassies said Jen never turned her phone off she always charged it and it had it and had it with
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her this is a this is a difficult thing here and I would love to know the science behind it not so much the
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science behind it on current cell phones on her phone and the activity that we could expect from her phone that
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she was using back in 2006 would the phone still ping when shut off does it only stop pinging once the
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battery is completely removed because I've heard the cessie say time and time again that they believe that Jennifer
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would have used her phone for an alarm clock that she very likely would not have shut her phone off right again she
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lived on her own for quite some time I'm just recalling back to 2005 and 2006 and
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7 for me and thinking about cell phone as they were and as they were used back then by by a lot of us it was much
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different than how we use our phones today we we reach for them for almost everything today back then it wasn't so
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much the case I mean we know that Jennifer had a landline because her cell phone was not great it was spotty at
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best once inside her condo yeah which is super old school well it's it's old school for today but not in 2006 I had a
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landline up until I believe 2007 and to top that off I can recall even in 2007 and8 still using an alarm clock and
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because we didn't trust our cell phones back then the way that we do now you know I remember I lived in Columbus Ohio
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it's a major city my cell phone that I had back then barely worked inside my home if I went down to the basement NADA
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couldn't do anything with it down in the basement you know as far as ction goes and so I almost feel like this is a time
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when people are still using landlines we know she was using one this is a time when people are still using alarm clocks
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I'd like to know if she if they had Financial records of her because all I could think is like she's getting ready
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for bed she's in bed other than maybe letting somebody into the house what would be her motivation to leave you
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know maybe other than this FedEx box well let me drop off this phone at the FedEx box I don't buy that she would do
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that I buy I think she' just do that at work mhm but I think you know Steak and Shake pretty
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late at night can get me to go out of my house true that or sometimes like you get a hankering for a blizzard mhm and
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you decide at 11:00 to go to Dairy Queen now on on the the the opposite end of that where they where the parents say
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hey she wouldn't have turned off her phone she wouldn't have done this she wouldn't have done that one thing that
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they say is she would not have left they they believe from what they know of their daughter that once she was in for
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the night she was in for the night and you brought up the FedEx thing with the cell phone with Travis's cell phone and
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that is what is brought up the most the problem with this is 10:00 at night there's not a FedEx store open at that
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time right Jennifer smart she knows what's going on she's going to be aware of this she's not going out looking for
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a FedEx store at 10:00 at night now you said something interesting there what if
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it's just a Dropbox that she's looking for I guess she could have brought some materials home from work or whatever to
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to prep that box and drop it off somewhere again and I know everything isn't in you know I can't relate
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everything to our own personal life experiences but at my work for years we had stamps.com
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and once I had that in my life at work I wasn't going out and making special trips to ship anything man right I only
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ship stuff Monday through Friday when I was at work and our work encouraged us to use it yeah we had to use our own
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money for it but it was so convenient you're not making an extra trip anywhere you have to be there for
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work anyway and the thing is she would have found the phone if I understand the way that her Monday day went she very
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likely would have been unaware that Travis's phone would be found in her condo until she was already on her way
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home from work on that Monday because we know that she kind of got stuck on this
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trip they couldn't fly back to where they wanted to fly to and she had to drive from from that location right into
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work that day work a regular day and then on her way home she has a a conversation with her parents and then
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has a conversation with her brother Logan I am of the belief that that is when Logan informed her hey my buddy
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Travis You Know Travis he left his cell phone at your condo could you ship it to
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him so if she doesn't know about this thing until she's already on her way home she wouldn't have known to bring
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any boxes or or any shipping materials with her home right so it just seems so unlikely and then the other Factor too
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is Rob is saying that she said I'm in bed I almost feel like Captain that this 10:40 or
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10:50 p.m. Monday night with the phones being powered off I have two major thoughts on this one could be that she
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just in fact shut them off and they they no longer performed any ping activity after that took place right why would
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she do that you don't want to be disturbed when you're trying to sleep maybe she has an alarm clock all right
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you don't know what kind of activity Travis's phone is going to have too right when you're trying to sleep and
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you got to go to your work the next day so maybe she did just in fact power them
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off the other question I have is we are hearing this second or third fourth hand
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however you want to take it and we have been told by Drew cessie that this information was relayed to them by the
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Orlando Police Department that at that time early on in the investigation they thought something happened that night
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and they were using this ping technology or their lack of understanding of the Ping technology at the time to support
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that theory he is saying not only did we have this conversation but they had the
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conversation with me and my family and when we left that meeting the three of us both had different opinions on
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exactly what they were trying to tell us he also says that they did walk that back a little bit in future discussions
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with the family so where my head goes is there a chance and we've seen this in some other cases where officers looking
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to provide a timeline an accurate timeline for the events of what took place they're reaching out to Verizon
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and to the to these cell phone companies to get information and sometimes there's
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a something gets Lost in Translation is it possible that this could be 10:40 a.m. or 1050 a.m. it
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could be something as simple as that so it's interesting to look through this this and I think that what we really
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have to hone in on is that it appears to me from everything we're being told by Drew kessie that the Ping information is
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very likely inaccurate so it's really hard to know how much value to put on this information the Cassies believe the
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phone information is absolutely useless as there is no way to know what is correct and what is not we know that
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Jen's family says there is no way that she would have gotten dressed after telling Rob was going to bed and heading
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out with Travis's phone that's the other weird thing if she goes out why would she if she's not going to FedEx why
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would she bother to even take Travis's phone with her right unless it you know people point out well maybe it was
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already in the car in her briefcase for the next day yeah we don't know but it it seems like a lot of things have to
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line up for this to to be a real thing the thing the thing here though is there's one more possibility surrounding
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a possible nighttime abduction Drew kessie stated on the unconcluded Ed podcast that a set of keys to the condos
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had been stolen the month before and the manager's office had a key making machine that could be easily accessed by
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just about anybody Drew told Jennifer to get her locks changed but she hadn't got
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around to it it is theoretically possible that Jen was asleep that night and someone entered her apartment and
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took her managing to do so stealthly and without causing any disruption but they would also have had
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to have taken her briefcase work shoes both cell phones car keys purse iPod it it just seems crazy that somebody would
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go in and get her that night and determine all the things that should be missing from her condo that you would
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expect to be missing had she gotten ready for work and left the house on her own it it just seems like too much for
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the perpetrator to put together and then to top that off we know that the pepper
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spray was found on a countertop in her condo we know that even though the security system was not being used at
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that time by her there was a panic button there was a panic button in her bedroom this seems like I get it that
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the daytime parking lot abduction seems risky but even somebody that could have got into her condo then you have to deal
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with the fact that she she could try to defend herself with the pepper spray she
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could grab anything for a weapon in her condo and she could hit that panic button none of that
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play nice in the sandbox we we need to give the Orlando Police Department some credit here right
00:32:57
we were you talk about being rude we might have been a little rude to them last week but where they showed a lot of
00:33:03
effort was the searches for Jennifer kessie now we cannot go through all of the searches that were conducted over
00:33:10
the years as the Orlando Police Department pursued every tip and Lead that came in over 1,000 leads have been
00:33:18
investigated in this case Drew kessie has said many times that the Orlando Police Department was fantastic at
00:33:25
following up on tips jumping into action and conducting major searches when credible tips came in and there have
00:33:33
been many but he said the Orlando Police Department completely failed to actually
00:33:38
generate any leads themselves he believes that this is why Jennifer's case is where it stands today which is
00:33:46
unsolved once the cesses convinced the Orlando Police Department that Jennifer had not willingly disappeared the usual
00:33:54
searches were conducted this this started with the areas in a 5m radius surrounding Mosaic at Millennia and the
00:34:04
Huntington on the green where grid searches conducted by officers volunteers dogs and people on Horseback
00:34:11
this included major roads these took place over the course of several days the area searched was bounded by Texas
00:34:18
Avenue Orange Blossom Trail Oakridge Road and Holden Avenue at one point 1,200 volunteers were involved in a
00:34:29
search engineered by child watch of North America the wooded areas between the Mosaic at Millennia in the
00:34:36
Huntington on the green were searched including a wooded area near Huntington on the green where a scent was found
00:34:43
storage closets in Jennifer's building were also searched we do not know whether the large pond at the complex
00:34:50
was scoured but knowing the cesses they likely demanded that it be searched and empty condos in the building were
00:34:58
inspected but it is not believed that forensic tests were conducted on any of them the Orlando PD conducted several
00:35:06
door-to-door knock inquiries at both Huntington on the green and the Mosaic at Millennia right but they they
00:35:13
processed her car but you said last week that they didn't process her apartment correct and I'm not saying that they are
00:35:20
right in doing so or going about it this way but I think that this is why they process one and not the other keep in
00:35:31
mind when her family first discovers that Jennifer is missing the police don't really believe that anything
00:35:38
nefarious took place they think she just got mad at her boyfriend she took off for a little bit she's going to be back
00:35:45
so we have people coming and going from her condo before they believe that they need
00:35:52
to process this condo unit right but they shouldn't assume I get in any investigation you shouldn't start off by
00:36:01
assuming anything well here's where they may have made a good assumption when they found the vehicle they immediately
00:36:09
went okay now we're on board because we found her vehicle we thought she just took off why are we finding her vehicle
00:36:16
and not her and on top of it I think it's even more suspicious that it's found within walking distance of her
00:36:22
condo complex right and also a worse area so immediately they believe that wherever she is like the answers in
00:36:30
where Jennifer kessie is at this point in our case the infant stages of the case we believe the car is the key this
00:36:38
is the map this is going to tell us either what happened or where she is or or who is responsible so the vehicle
00:36:46
itself was processed now one of the popular theories out there is that she could have been carjacked or she was
00:36:55
taken after she was was in her vehicle as we discussed last week Captain eventually they released this vehicle it
00:37:03
was turned back in and it was turned back into the bank because it was it was not paid for it was a least
00:37:10
vehicle personally I believe here that if if the police department if they found anything anything in there to
00:37:18
suggest that that is where the abduction took place or that unfortunately I hate
00:37:23
to say these things out loud but these are the things we have to discuss or she was killed in that vehicle or stored in
00:37:29
that vehicle for any length of time I'm not so sure that they would release that
00:37:34
vehicle that to me almost indicates that at least they don't believe that something major took place inside that
00:37:41
car right continuing on with some of these searches we have the local news reported that a search of heavily wooded
00:37:48
areas near the Huntington on the green was searched this is in January of the same month that she went missing January
00:37:55
30th they state here that a scent was picked up in the woods tips alleging where Jennifer could be found led to
00:38:02
scores of searches including an abandoned Hotel a vacant time share complex a retention Pond that was
00:38:10
drained and so on and so on after police picked up on Street rumors and received
00:38:15
a credible tip that Jen was alive and being held against her will at a boarding house on Fourth I'm sorry 40th
00:38:23
Street in Oakridge this is 2.6 m away from where she lived this home was invaded on February 12th by a SWAT team
00:38:33
they're looking for Jennifer they're looking for any evidence that she would have been there before this date nothing
00:38:39
was found there was no evidence that she had ever been there at all the location
00:38:44
was near Huntington on the green and it was owned by somebody with more than 20 arrests I don't have what this person's
00:38:54
arrest history is but just noted that 20 arrest in 2008 Texas Equis search arrived in Orlando this was to help
00:39:04
search for Kaylee Anthony but they also conducted a search of the woods near Mosaic they too found nothing in 2009
00:39:13
there was also a massive search that was conducted it was a fruitless search it came in by way of tip but in 2010
00:39:21
Orlando PD received a credible tip about an overgrown field this is located on on
00:39:26
Orange Blossom Trail near Oak Ridge Road which is now the site of a Walmart not too far from Huntington on the green
00:39:36
kadaver dogs hit on a spot here and the Orlando Police Department used back hos sifters and ground penetrating radar
00:39:45
this search was one of the more significant ones that renewed the cessy's hope that Jen would be
00:39:50
discovered but it came but nothing came of it we should note here that multiple online sleuths
00:39:59
have posted that this search location was very close to where one of the known suspects and we'll call him Adam for
00:40:09
now the he resided near this area around this time or at the time of her abduction now there was no way for me to
00:40:18
verify that I was unable to verify that he actually lived near this location at the time of the abduction in 200 12
00:40:26
there was also another major search and then in 2015 the kessie family received a tip that Jennifer was buried in a
00:40:34
national park near Miami this again was another massive search using Land Air and sea vessels unfortunately nothing
00:40:43
was found yeah and think about the emotional roller coaster the family has to go on you think that there's a solid
00:40:50
lead you you go through the proper channels to get a proper search and then you find nothing yeah a lot of these
00:40:56
searches look like something was going to come of it and then we also have statements that have been made to lead
00:41:03
us to believe that something promising was coming from the investigation itself right so we have one of the detectives
00:41:10
on the case made public statements sometime around mid-February of 2006 that the Jennifer kessie case would be
00:41:17
coming to a conclusion within the next week or so he said that they had viable evidence and were tracking down certain
00:41:25
Transat clearly since it's now almost 14 years later and 1,000 dead end leads later he
00:41:34
was speaking out of turn right Drew kessie told a reporter in 2009 that the police had thought they found the driver
00:41:41
of the car of Jennifer's car who parked it at the Huntington on the green but they were they were wrong and so the
00:41:49
search continues there have been some using air quotes here captain sightings of
00:41:57
Jennifer kessie over the years yeah there's been a lot that has been reported there's been a lot that have
00:42:04
been called in there were a lot that were featured on the unconcluded podcast unfortunately it's very time
00:42:12
consuming to go through these possible sightings and really to me I don't want to I don't want to feel like I'm doing
00:42:19
anybody a disservice here but I feel like I'd be doing you a disservice if we go through all of these because they
00:42:25
don't seem to be credible at all in my opinion I agree in April of 2006 the man who owns the company that
00:42:33
Jennifer kessie worked for David seagull he put up $250,000 as a reward in her case and
00:42:41
then the following year he decided to raise this amount all the way up to $1 million wow this comes with the
00:42:49
stipulation though for if you want to get the $1 million he's stating you need to tell us where she is
00:42:55
we need need to find her and she needs to be alive now no one ever has claimed any of this money the FBI did get
00:43:04
involved in her case this was in 2010 four years after Jennifer vanished when they became involved this was at the
00:43:11
request of Drew and Joyce kessie I'm guessing that they probably were requesting this for quite some time
00:43:18
before it actually took action the feds agreed to review the evidence that the Orlando Police Department had piled up
00:43:27
to that date they also brought in Logan her brother and Drew her father they brought them in for questioning and they
00:43:35
gave Logan a lie detector test Drew offered to take one as well but they declined I'm just kind of trying to read
00:43:43
between the lines here of why they would decline that my guess would be that one one here's what we do know
00:43:53
once she was reported missing or or told to the family that nobody could find her
00:43:58
she wasn't at work wasn't where she was supposed to be couldn't get a hold of her couldn't find her at her condo and
00:44:04
her vehicle was missing from her parking spot her parents and her brother and her
00:44:09
brother's F friend jumped into action right at that time they had to make a very long drive to get to her condo
00:44:17
complex the reason why I think Drew is of less importance for the investigation is because there's no way for him him to
00:44:26
be a suspect there's no way for him to have moved the that car moved her car and also be driving to her condo at that
00:44:36
exact same time right same goes for Logan who we know was in route as well but why do you let him take the lie
00:44:43
detector test and not really go into one with the father well you don't really need the father to do one so much if you
00:44:51
get what you wanted from Logan and where I'm going with this Captain is I would think as an investigator at that
00:44:59
time that the people that I should possibly be looking at might be the two friends of
00:45:06
Logan and if he is able to provide them with answers regarding Matt and regarding Travis and the FBI are going
00:45:14
well neither Matt nor Travis look so good at this time we don't know what additional information Drew could
00:45:19
provide us at this time regarding those two individuals and maybe they don't like those two individuals after they
00:45:26
get done talking to Logan they don't like them as suspect as suspects thank you we don't know what else was done in
00:45:33
these regards regarding the FBI but essentially the FBI only reviewed the case and made some recommendations to
00:45:39
the Orlando Police Department regarding how that agency should proceed from there now by February 2011 the FBI
00:45:49
announced that it was ending its involvement in the Jennifer kessie case Drew kessie said that they told him
00:45:56
quote your daughter seems to have vanished we do not know exactly why or how and we really have nothing to go on
00:46:04
end quote yeah it seems the more we do this show the more we hear about individuals just disappearing Into Thin
00:46:14
Air almost we have some suspects that we can discuss here captain and I think there's some that we can clear off along
00:46:21
the way there are some certainly that look better than others in this game first let's discuss who everybody would
00:46:30
kind of make the leap to immediately in this case is Jennifer's boyfriend right Rob Allen as we discussed the Orlando
00:46:39
Police Department looked at Rob as someone who might be connected to Jennifer's case however Rob cooperated
00:46:47
fully with the investigation in fact he contacted the Orlando Police Department detectives on Jennifer's case before
00:46:54
they called him he submitted DNA took polygraphs and gave countless interviews to police his
00:47:02
Alibi by the way for Tuesday the 24th is that he was at work and this checks out
00:47:09
now we should keep in mind that this assumes a daytime abduction Rob could in theory have drove all the way up to
00:47:17
Orlando after their 10 p.m. phone call and got into the condo abducted got rid of Jennifer and then got to work back in
00:47:29
Fort Lauderdale in time right but also doesn't look like the suspect driving the vehicle that's correct in addition
00:47:36
to this his cell phone usage shows that he was in Fort Lauderdale in the time frame in which Jennifer went missing he
00:47:44
from my understanding is considered to be cleared Rob is still close to this day
00:47:50
with the kessis and still helps out as much as he can in finding Jennifer by participating and TV shows and articles
00:47:57
regarding her case we also can bring up Drew and Logan kessie father and brother
00:48:06
it's you know we've already kind of gone through this so I don't think that we need to dive into this one too much more
00:48:12
right because these are two loving family members they don't seem to be any way involved in the Abduction of their
00:48:20
sister or daughter Logan was polygraphed by the FBI as we mentioned when it committ aned a review on the case in
00:48:27
2010 Drew offered to be polygraphed but they didn't take him up on it both men were eager to do whatever necessary to
00:48:36
not only rule themselves out but to move on and help the Orlando Police Department move on with their
00:48:41
investigation well in a lot of these cases that somebody just goes missing or disappears Into Thin Air there's
00:48:48
normally a time where family members might act a little strange I don't think you see that that in this case right if
00:48:57
anything that you see not only are the parents acting um in the manner that you think
00:49:04
they should but almost the way you wish all parents would act in these situations
00:49:11
there they're leading the charge yeah and it's all it's as you just said that if I were to go missing this is how you
00:49:18
would want somebody to react and to hold on to your case and lead the charge to find you right one person who the police
00:49:26
looked very hard at was Jennifer's ex-boyfriend Matt Sullivan he's remember he's a friend of
00:49:33
Logan they had been broken up for well over a year by the time she went missing but remember that Matt was in gennifer's
00:49:41
condo while she was in St Croy hanging out with Logan and Travis Drew kessie has said repeatedly that Matt did not
00:49:50
easily get over the breakup and that he tried to get back together with her on more than one occasion we have seen
00:49:59
reports that by the time Jennifer vanished in 2006 that Matt had actually moved on and was dating someone else
00:50:06
yeah but at least initially he was not happy about this breakup Logan Cassie said that the Orlando PD quote put Matt
00:50:16
through the ringer end quote this is probably because not only was Matt at Jen's place that weekend the weekend
00:50:23
before she went missing but on Monday night the 23rd when many people believe that it's possible that she was taken
00:50:31
that night Matt was at a bar across the street right from the Mosaic at Millennia now we should point out here
00:50:41
this was not just some dive bar that nobody ever goes in this was a very popular bar called the Blue
00:50:49
Martini according to Drew kessie reports were that Matt was very drunk that night
00:50:55
and he lived he lived about 30 minutes away so let's keep that in mind because that that looks Uber suspicious when you
00:51:05
hear oh Logan and Travis and the kessie family live two hours away yeah or 3 hours away I'm sorry whatever it may be
00:51:15
that's a much bigger distance than Matt Matt lived somewhat in the Orlando area he lives only about 30 minutes away from
00:51:24
Jennifer cessy's con and this bar which is across the street so what you're saying is this guy's drunk pretty drunk
00:51:31
at this bar yeah but he's 30 minutes from his home so he drove 30 minutes drunk that's not what I'm saying I don't
00:51:39
know how he got home that night what I can say is there are reports that he did return to his residence that night and
00:51:50
these reports are coming from his I believe he had two roommates at the time time right that were saying that he was
00:51:57
home around 1 or 1:30 in the morning so it's one of those things Captain where it's either suspicious or it's straight
00:52:07
up a coincidence and it's easy to see why people have followed who have followed Jennifer's case are very
00:52:13
interested in Matt although we should point out that his involvement seems to be 100% speculative if if he was across
00:52:23
the street he could have called her that night and said hey let me come over I'll
00:52:28
grab Travis's phone and you know mail it for you because where he lives doesn't help get the phone to Travis any faster
00:52:37
right but we also have Jennifer's parents saying that they don't find this to be likely they don't think that she
00:52:44
would open the door for someone at night uh and possibly even if it was Matt that
00:52:51
they that she wouldn't open the door this is tricky though because we do have the statement about the knock remember
00:52:56
the knock on the door right that Drew kessie said happened when Jen was on the phone Jen said it was a neighbor what if
00:53:03
it was Matt and she didn't want to tell anyone because Matt was her ex right that makes a lot of sense MH Matt would
00:53:09
certainly be familiar with Jennifer's condo and possibly her routines he could have killed her in an
00:53:17
argument it doesn't have to be something that was planned and staged the condo to
00:53:21
look like she had gone to work on Tuesday it's certainly a theory that we can't dismiss offand but unconcluded
00:53:30
reported that both Matt and his buddies he was with that night were questioned they seem to have been cooperative and
00:53:37
that Matt agreed to a polygraph although Orlando Police Department never followed
00:53:42
through on that yeah they should have I I think that's stupid you're I'm with you you you have the opportunity to just
00:53:49
take it because maybe later you you find some stuff and you don't get the opport
00:53:55
because he has to lawyer up um but he also doesn't really look similar to the suspect driving her car either that's
00:54:03
correct and there were some reports early on that he was not at work the next day which could just mean that yeah
00:54:11
he was drunk and hung over and didn't make it to work the next day or could mean that he was busy cleaning up his
00:54:16
mess from the night before right the problem with that statement is we also have statements that say no that is
00:54:24
incorrect he was at work the next day the problem too that that I want to point out is a lot of people suggest and
00:54:31
say that well Matt looks good to me because he doesn't seem to be willing to discuss the case publicly or go on the
00:54:40
record with you know a newspaper or sit through an interview right and and be filmed but he's willing to take a
00:54:46
polygraph test he's willing to to take a polygraph test and everybody that that is close to the case seems to be saying
00:54:53
the same thing that he was cooperating ating with police he Matt did at one time release a
00:55:00
statement that said look early on in the investigation when this became big news
00:55:04
down in Florida I was willing to talk with newspapers or with with with the news and media in
00:55:13
general the time that I did do that the one time that I did do that they took my
00:55:19
story and twisted it all around when it finally came out and he you know once bitten twice shy he doesn't want to do
00:55:27
another interview with the newspaper with media because he feels like this could easily happen again that's that's
00:55:35
the difficult thing too for the public to keep in mind you can sit down and discuss the case or what you know or
00:55:42
don't know about the case of somebody that you know intimately somebody that you were on the inner circle of with the
00:55:49
media but after that interview is over you have you you are powerless on how they choose to release it on what they
00:55:57
choose to cut from your interview what they choose to include and sometimes even the order that they decide to
00:56:05
rearrange things I've always heard that if you're going to do an interview like that where where it could be tricky for
00:56:12
you later on in life the best thing to do is to record the interview yourself right even if it's just audio and go
00:56:20
that way you have something to to back your own back yourself up and say look they
00:56:27
they Twisted this whole thing up they're making me sound or they're making me look guilty when in fact these are my
00:56:33
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