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a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] [Music] on Wednesday July 11 2007 police and
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news conference pinpointed Lisa's husband Craig Stevic as the sole person of interest in lis systemics
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disappearance Plainfield police chief Donald Bennett said Craig Stevic has been of minimal assistance to detectives
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and refused to participate in searches in part leading them to name him as a person of interest plus they said he has
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refused their repeated request to talk to his children who are amongst the last people to see their mother alive twice
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he has refused requests to have police talk with these children said Bennett adding that such action has clearly
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hampered the investigation it is the police's belief that the children have viable info that could assist them in
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their investigation Craig Stevic and his children somewhere along this investigative timeline they cut off all
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contact with Lisa's family smell that fishy yeah this is a bad situation not only they not working with the
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investigators and his children you know perceivably we can believe that this is at his own doing or not talking with
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investigators as well but we also find out at some point they're not even communicating with Lisa's family which I
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understand that there might be some bad blood especially with her missing but that shouldn't should not really change
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the interaction between his children and her family right now this case Lee systemics disappearance in what later
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police would pretty much officially announce as suspected foul play and they even go out and say they don't believe
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Lisa is alive this case was receiving a good deal of statewide news publicity and national news
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coverage in the beginning but as we have seen in other cases and in other states
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eventually there are distractions and I mean cases that take priority and the news spotlight in cases that took the
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spotlight came relatively quickly and became big news over Lisa's case and this is as follows on June 14 2007
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Christopher Vaughn murdered his wife and kids and Shanahan Illinois Chris use appease [ __ ] on October 28 2007 Stacy
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Peterson vanishes from bolingbroke Illinois Drew Peterson use a piece of [ __ ] then as longtime garage listeners
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very well known in one of the cases that fascinates me the most the February 2nd
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2008 Lane Bryant store shootings in Tinley Park Illinois unknown suspect use a piece of [ __ ] now even though this
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case faded from the spotlight seeking justice for ELISA needs to go on and I think there are a lot of important
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questions in this case so let's go through some of these here captain so the divorce is in full swing as it
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appears this is often a red flag but in this case it seems clear that both parties wanted the divorce and both were
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moving forward with it now there could be some motives inside all of this right the police were called to the house
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again normally a red flag but here it appears there was no type of physical altercation right and Craig was the one
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who called the police not the later missing individual Lisa yeah I agree with that but also we have somebody that
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used to be a private investigator this could be some kind of a setup yes and then we also have this situation about
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what we now know is probably reported as fact that Lisa was dating another man at
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some point during the course of this separation it seems like that the question here that we have to go back to
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if this would be a motive for her to disappear on craig's Park is one did he even know about this other individual
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was it even something that was serious and I get that it doesn't have to be something serious for him to fly off the
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handle and do something crazy but does one does he even know about it and two if he does know about it does even care
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is this something that even bothers him as said they're both moving forward with
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separating from one another and ultimately it seems like the care of their children is the concern of both of
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them yeah but we have a mix you know feelings there as well we have somebody saying hey at one point we have
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them saying hey we're gonna have joint custody right with with the mother Lisa having the primary custody or primary
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house was where there'd be living mm-hmm but then that seems like that's gonna change
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well she changed her mind on that I question that a little bit because of a few things one I don't think it was ever
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filed in a way that she would be the sole caretaker of these children I wonder if this is a situation where we
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have a divorce moving forward and she's saying I'm going to be the main caregiver of these children well what if
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he what if he disputes this at some point her lawyer asking for information to what what do we have to point out that
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you should be the main caretaker of these children right because the whole thing you have to ask yourself if she
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truly did feel that he was an unfit father and the thing that I keep going back to and I'm probably gonna take some
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criticism for this but I want everybody to keep in mind we don't know 100% what was going on inside those four walls we
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don't know what was going on 100% under the roof of that home right so if she truly did feel that he was unfit or
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dangerous a danger to their children she did have some control under the fact that they were still all living under
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the same roof right and she does seem to be a caring mother that would take that
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into account along the way the other thing is I don't I don't hesitate to say that I do think that
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there was some kind of verbal abuse or belittling going on I know that there are talks that she was attending
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counseling at a place that is pretty much structured for battered women right one thing though we got to keep in mind
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usually those places keep their records sealed for good reason so I don't know that we have an official from that
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agency coming forward and saying yes she was seeking counseling here or if this is just something that her family is
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saying her friends suspected along the way or something she said she might seek in the future
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yeah and maybe is this counseling in general mm-hmm but one has to wonder look there's gonna be all kinds of
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rumors that come out your friend goes missing and it becomes okay why do you remember that one time that she said her
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husband was mean I do remember that you mean like right and now you're trying to
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you're trying to work backwards your friends missing now let's work backwards and now you have this husband which yeah
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it's odd he's trying to keep everything close to to the vest but who knows what's been said about him and then at
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that point you go okay my wife is missing and that sucks but I need to take care of myself I need to take care
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of my family I need to make sure they're all right because if I go away what's gonna happen to them the other
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thing that could be going on here and this is much darker than anything that we've talked about is we see a couple
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things inside this relationship a couple things going on in this dynamic that we
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are aware of and that is fact so let's go through that real quick and look at it through this angle and this might be
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uncomfortable to talk about but it's a possibility we have Craig who is the I mean he's the
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breadwinner by far in a situation 80 grand a year roughly compared to 10 grand a year right now is that that
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doesn't mean I don't mean that to suggest that Lisa was any less of a person or earner than her husband know
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what I'm getting at is was that a situation controlled by this man was that a situation where he goes out and
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he makes a good deal money and he's reminding her day after day you got this job over here it's not going to pay the
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bills I'm in control of this situation you need me you need me for financial support and you need me to keep this
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roof over our heads even if it's joint custody and they award her child support money it's not going to be even though
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he makes a lot more money hmm it's not gonna be enough for her to live off of right and now we certainly know that she
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was capable of earning more I mean she has a degree and she worked a second job for a while
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I would love to know what happened with that second job it sounds to me some of the things I've read captain sounds like
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it was a fill-in position that she was filling in for someone right or was this a situation where Craig goes you know
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what I'm tired of you being gone at night you're not allowed to be gone at night you can work your job during the
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day I expect you to be home during the evenings right I would love to know the situation going on there because you
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have to wonder with this being their second time around on the divorce proceedings was she making plans to
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better her financial situation leading up to the eventual separation again yeah and if he's telling her not to work the
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job that goes back into the controlling factor I just think somebody that's gonna be that controlling of somebody
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you think they're actually gonna file for divorce mm-hmm it doesn't make a lot of sense but again that could be playing
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a certain hand let me file for the divorce let me seem like I'm okay with it yeah
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again a controlling factor right he's the one that decides when they're going to file for divorce he's the one that
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decides when the police are going to be called also we know the situation of her
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cell phone he's in charge of the cell phone both of the cars are registered to Craig Nunn Talisa right you know so you
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do have some things in here where it looks like we have a guy that's kind of controlling the whole situation this
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whole family and then later on or is it a logical thing I'm gonna put the car in
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my name because I'm paying for the tags because I'm paying for the license plates because I'm paying the insurance
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cuz I'm paying the gas money because I'm paying for the car right is it just logical thing well why would I put it in
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somebody else's name if it's mine well and some have cited money troubles as a possible motive while we're on the talks
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of motives here apparently they did have a second mortgage on the house and they
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were getting ready to separate but they owed quite a bit more on the home than the value of that home well that's
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always good yeah then we have the eviction papers and again this this thing is a tricky motive here too
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just like everything else we have the situation where she has filed for a petition of eviction of this man who's
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probably paying most of the bills as we discuss with the amount of money that he's right and that that part's not
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tricky I mean if you're paying all the bills and you got a vixen notice from the person not paying the bills uh I'd
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be super pissed mmm I be i meet captain america best well that's where you wonder that's where people are going to
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say hey he must have known about this and when he found out he lost it right but that's that's the weird speculation
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because do we know if he knew about this his claims he says he never knew about this paperwork until after she went
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missing right so we cited the money troubles possible money troubles we cited the
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eviction papers and the normal red flags we would expect with a divorce as it's going on we also have a situation
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captain where police announced two very vague but interesting things to the media over the years one they have ruled
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out several people and what I mean by this exactly is they have talked to several people they're saying we've
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ruled other people out in this disappearance we can't rule him out that makes me wonder about this individual
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that she was dating this unnamed man he's in the papers he's unnamed this to me knowing his age the ages reported in
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the media this points to me that law enforcement knows who this guy is right and they've probably talked to him
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they've investigated him he would be on that list and if they're saying that we've cleared everyone else well then
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that man that she dated again we don't know how many times he must be on that list of people that have been cleared by
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law enforcement yeah I think that's safe to assume and then to Kraig Stevic is law enforcement sole person of interest
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we know this from a statement released to the public and I think that this has to stem from three key factors one Craig
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is believed to be the last person to see Lisa or at least he reports having seen
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her at their home hearing her leave sometime around 6:00 p.m. that night right we don't have
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anybody else to say that they saw her after that time we don't have any activity on her credit cards or cell
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phone after that time right to the small amount of blood found on the tarp and Craig's truck I mean that's just that
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blood just doesn't magically appear again you're not going to be able to get a murder charge out of that but it seems
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awfully suspicious then three it seems like law enforcement have good reason to believe that Craig Stevic has access to
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places that might make it easy for him to dispose of Lisa's body and hide evidence we talked about the property
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that his family owns out of state we also have a situation where this guy he's a pipe fitter he moves around to
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different job sites you know we just talked about a case last week where but the husband buried the the wife and
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children at one of his job sites yeah so what happened to Lisa you know what did
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Craig do it does Craig not submitting to a lie-detector test mean anything I think what it means is he's not a total
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idiot as we've discussed those tests are unreliable and the results can be damaged by the proctors opinion and
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several times we have pointed out how you can end up with false positives to deception regarding those tests and with
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specific questions he claims that he has turned down this polygraph request at the advice of his attorney what are the
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other possibilities well like did Craig's dad help in any way this could be an interesting angle
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but the thing I have to wonder here Catherine is I feel like there isn't much on his testimony as far as what he
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was doing or where he was but I would have to guess I would wager that this was probably looked into and was
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investigated I mean it could be a possibility but I also think that it's quite unlikely I think that there would
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have been something connecting the dad to it or connecting the dad to Craig as being some kind of assistant and all of
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this but many some I would yeah and I think investigators spent a good amount of time on this case we
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talked about all the searches that were involved not just in esthetic home in the Greater Plainfield area but all
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those searches inside the home and of the vehicles you think that something somewhere would turn up and I really
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want to know or have a good up I'd like to have a good understanding of what information we could pull from her phone
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because we know that she is on a site looking for a gym pal hmm you know are we just hearing that she looked for a
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gym pal and it was only female is there more to that story because her car is still there right and everything goes
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missing so it's like that makes a lot of sense if you go yes she came home we got
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to prove that we haven't been able to prove that hmm I think that's on her husband to prove I think it's all got
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kids to prove but then if she's at home and she leaves we have eyewitnesses not that much later or some some
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eyewitnesses around that time that say oh yeah he was working in his backyard right so is are some of these things
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setups by a guy that knew how cases worked he was a private investigator or is this a guy being cautious because he
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was a private investigator and we've seen people get railroaded we've seen people with no evidence but a false
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confession by somebody else doing life in prison or get death death row hmm so how would we react if something happened
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and and and they were putting you on trial in the in the media spotlight well the public spotlight and other than that
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small amount of blood which I mean she lived at the home who knows that could have come from anything well my other
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question would be how long did he own the truck because they're together 14 years they had this tarp for however
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many years how long did they have the truck right so is that is it possible if they had the
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truck for six years that there's some blood somewhere possible well and with her regards to her cell phone sorry let
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me backtrack just a quick second okay we're talking about what evidence is there against Craig there's not much and
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I think that's the big problem with this case one you know the little small trace
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of blood that could be evidence but but it's hard to make that evidence you have
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to almost make that evidence right and then too we have the you know people family friends later coming out saying
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well no Lisa was afraid of him well again we don't know what was going on under that roof what was going on inside
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those for what seems like a lot hearsay so then you have people that come out and say well if there's no evidence
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against Craig you know and that's why I brought up the father his father we know
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they were tight did his father help in some way you have other people that say well Craig could have paid someone to
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get rid of Lisa and I think this too is an interesting angle however I think this very much falls right into the last
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question about Craig's father and I think this is an unlikely situation I don't think this is what happened here
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okay because again there would have been phone records or some type of communication between Craig in the
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Hitman some trail of evidence connecting the two of them and you bring up a good
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a good interesting scenario here mm-hmm did she in fact leave the home just like
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Craig said did she in fact intend to go to the gym that night and meet someone at the gym who later abducted and killed
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her right this certainly is somewhat of a possibility but in order for this to be more likely than what I think it is
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she would I think she would have had to have been abducted in route to the gym you know because we don't have anyone
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that says that they saw her at the gym that night and you have to wonder how many people work out at a high school
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gym at six o'clock on that Monday night yeah but if let's say she met this person before then
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was as simple hey I'll pick you up we'll go to the gym together and so he picks her up or she picks her up and when it
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when it comes down to it they just don't make it to the gym mm-hmm I mean I she is a pretty small individual mm-hmm
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5 to 120 mm-hmm this is uh male or female could move her if she was deceased you know they could move the body
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there's the other thought and I know Craig has really pointed to this you know did she leave on her own accord
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does she go out to start up a new life personally I think I would say if there were no kids no children involved that
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this could be the case but right I mean I don't see any signs or any reason that
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she would abandon her kids no one said that that would be in her character we also have someone that is tattooing the
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names of her children on her body right but that that doesn't mean anything well it means something to me I
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I feel like it means that they're special to her and that they hold some significance some special place in her
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life yeah and why I I think the run away theory doesn't make a lot of sense because once she ain't use any of her
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cards we don't have any transactions she didn't make enough money that she could
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stockpile enough to kind of get a new start mm-hmm and if you're gonna get a new
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start again is it is it possible that she's trying to better her life anything she just went you know what and I won't
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be a mom it happens mm-hmm it happens to dads it happens to moms it's just there's really no evidence of it so I
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mean we can go down that rabbit hole but until there's really evidence I don't see what the point would be we also have
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you know there are cases where there is almost like an underground railroad situation where like these agencies for
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battered women will relocate them but it's all very secretive you know and it's all very much you have
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to drop everything and cut off all ties with your old life right to go on and start a new one
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and they never disclose that information the thing is that doesn't happen a lot for many reasons the most important one
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in the most prominent one of those reasons is it's so hard for someone that has loved ones and people that they care
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about and children right for them to sever all ties and to move on and create a new life elsewhere the other thing I
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would point out here too captain is the children are young they're 10 they're 12
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you know these aren't grown adult children that are out making their own life and have moved on or moved away
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right you know these are people that children that were very much dependent on her as much as they are her husband
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Craig yeah I mean isn't there some law he and they just subpoena these kids and so they could talk to him well they did
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they did and that's where that's where it gets tricky again with Craig's situation you know they spoke with the
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grand jury nothing new apparently was gained from that now this is these are closed-door meetings these are
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closed-door interviews so we don't know what was discussed we don't know what was asked there but apparently there was
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nothing there was not enough inside that information or answers that they provided to this grand jury that would
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all right we're back Hawaii boys and a big cheers to everybody out there yes so with this case I don't see
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the evidence or any indication that should be running away hmm like it seems like there's definitely evidence that
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she wants to change some things in her life and better some things in her life but not her just getting up and leaving
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mm-hmm well she's making moves to within the divorce proceedings you know it's it's not like oh this is happening he
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filed for divorce and she's just dragging her feet waiting for it to happen you know we see the situation of
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the eviction notice we see the situation of her going ahead and moving on with her life we see a situation of her
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getting her daughter's name tattooed on her body and then telling friends that she wants a tattoo of her son's name you
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know these are all things this to me all points to somebody that has a planned future things that she is looking
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forward to right not things that she is running away from or even sitting back and denying that they are happening one
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you also want her to if she's been with this guy for 14 years that is quote-unquote verbally abusive
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did she meet somebody that might not treat her the best and we just don't know about it but she's willing to put
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up with that because she that's what she's known for 14 years I mean that you think that what they would have find
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some kind of information on that home computer right and I think you know that's where they're going to get all
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the information regarding these connection sites that she was involved in because one thing we got to keep in
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mind in regards to her cellphone first off this is 2007 okay so her cell phone is automatically different from the ones
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that we have in 2019 but then on top of that it's it's often reported that this is an older cellphone right as of 2007
00:33:05
so probably pretty primitive compared to what we are using today yes Zack Morris
00:33:10
called he wants his phone back well and I have to wonder I'm I'm guessing here that we have a phone that doesn't even
00:33:17
have internet capabilities possible if this is just a phone used to call people maybe text people as well so but that
00:33:27
brings up an interesting question and one that is posed in this case did Lisa meet someone online and then she agreed
00:33:34
to meet with this person this is possible but the problem with this question here is this was investigated
00:33:44
and pretty thoroughly as well well we get to answer some of the questions some of these questions could be answered by
00:33:51
was he at work because he claims he came home at about 5:45 6 o'clock yes says he
00:33:59
was home at about 5:40 p.m. that night and that's because he was at work correct so do we have anything and I
00:34:07
know he bounces around from site to site but some of these cars have GPS tracking
00:34:15
for a different job you know for different companies mm-hmm like we saw in a Chris Watts case right do you have
00:34:22
any evidence that he was gone until he said that he was well what we don't have is anyone disputing that he wasn't where
00:34:32
he says he was right so I really feel like the the timeframe in question is after 5:40 p.m. that night we don't have
00:34:43
anyone to say any differently that he wasn't where he says he was so just real quick back to did she meet someone and
00:34:50
and this is I don't necessarily mean did she meet someone and decide oh you're my
00:34:56
knight in shining armor I fell in love with you let's run away together I don't mean that at all I mean someone that was
00:35:02
there to deceive her you know someone that she met through one of these connection sites and they did something
00:35:09
bad to her and took her from her life right and the thing is though like I said I think this because some people
00:35:17
have pointed out look someone on there just you talked about in yesterday's show you
00:35:22
could have somebody on there pretending to be a woman yeah and communicating with her the old
00:35:27
catfish and then setting up a hey let's meet up or let's go for a jog together I'll meet you at the gym or you meet me
00:35:34
here on your way to the gym yeah and then she never shows up again again the problem with this is yeah you feel like
00:35:42
that the investigation really had very quickly nowhere else to go other than Craig stetic and I think again there
00:35:51
would have been bread crumbs found on that computer found within those connection sites that would have said
00:35:57
she was talking to somebody yeah and here's one okay here's where I feel bad for him mm-hmm initially he called we
00:36:09
have a situation take the Chris Watts case right yes it's it's been on my mind so from time to time so that's a
00:36:18
situation where he he's not really Tommy buddy anybody's missing he was just kind
00:36:24
of going about his business yeah he's waiting for other people to say hey something's up here we need to call the
00:36:31
cops not only that he's at he's offering an explanation that why they are not at
00:36:36
home Chris watts is right he's saying don't on a play day they went on a play date and I don't know the person's name
00:36:40
or where they live yeah [ __ ] uh so but here we have a case where you go you could say yeah well he didn't call
00:36:48
captain he didn't call till the next day well they're getting separated they're not gonna be married anymore this is
00:36:59
gonna be his normal life going forward maybe he's pretending it's already his normal life she's gone out and like we
00:37:09
said should go out till ten o'clock eleven o'clock mm-hmm is it possible that he fell asleep to even know that
00:37:16
she didn't come home mm-hmm right maybe he wasn't worried the night before right
00:37:22
maybe he didn't think about it then the next day he's going what the [ __ ] is going on
00:37:27
right where's she at guess who calls the cops guess who starts going hello she's
00:37:35
missing well he doesn't call the cops but he does call a couple of people to find out if they know where she is right
00:37:43
but didn't he do that one of the people that he talked to they called the cops yeah but again the person it's it's very
00:37:54
unclear as to the situation right but one thing that I'm pretty certain of it seems like the neighbor that he called
00:38:03
to find out where his wife could be right that the neighbor was close with Lisa and and that they were like friends
00:38:11
the couples were friends right now the husband and wife husband and wife they hung out together but I feel like the
00:38:19
neighbor that he contacted and the neighbor is the one that goes no there's something fishy going on here right and
00:38:27
they're the one that decide on think he prompted them to call the police right but one would argue again this guy was a
00:38:35
private investigator he's no dummy right hmm one could argue by calling other people
00:38:41
you called her work mm-hmm you're calling people you're notifying people that she's
00:38:47
missing you're notifying it right you're notifying the people and on top of that
00:38:51
you're the one that that's that's throwing up flags in his favor and his neighbor that's right he's saying hey
00:38:57
you know did he call cops right away no cuz he was calling people so we don't know if he would have eventually you
00:39:06
know after five calls maybe he would have called the police or if he returned home from work that day would have
00:39:13
called the polite right at some point but he's calling her work again it's one of those things where on one side you go
00:39:21
oh that's a play you sneaky bastard mm-hm and that's just you setting it up you got right over the night before you
00:39:30
bought your kids candy to keep their mouth shut and guess what now you're just you're
00:39:36
you're dropping off this information leading to you want to make people believe that your concern but then on the other
00:39:45
hand he go well maybe that's just the truth because there that there is a logical explanation to his actions there
00:39:52
so it's and then he goes here's the computer well how much time did he spend making sure that they would find exactly
00:40:02
what they found on the computer and maybe or erasing what they didn't find right and what I mean by that is it
00:40:09
doesn't have to be you know like a Casey Anthony where it's like Craig won't came
00:40:15
home and and googled how to murder wife and get away with it right maybe it's not something like that but maybe it was
00:40:24
a dating website that she was on that he got rid of mmm again I don't know what his knowledge is of computers and I
00:40:35
would assume that law enforcement has better text that would be able to uncover that information that's the
00:40:44
thing we've seen plenty of cases where people think they're pretty good at wiping clean a computer or a device
00:40:49
police get their hands on it and very quickly they're like what about this what about this what about that because
00:40:55
what they don't know is they call the garage and they go wing wing wing wing is is the colonel there
00:41:03
we need him to check out this computer mm-hm and then you find every but what everything that's encrypted I will find
00:41:10
so then he goes okay uh yes we're trying to find my soon-to-be ex-wife I'm helping you
00:41:18
here's the computer I'm talking to you some things get said and then he goes oh I've seen this story before and he shuts
00:41:28
it down and can you blame the guy you can't blame the guy mm-hmm but that again it's one of those things where
00:41:37
logically you go one direction is this guy is trying to protect himself trying to protect his kids try to protect his
00:41:44
family on the other hand you go that seems fishy that's as fishy as the fish sticks that
00:41:53
they serve during lunch well and here's the thing too because a lot of times and I would say 99% of the
00:42:00
time 99% of the time we have a situation where people were like you know what the
00:42:06
he does not report her missing he does not call police that is a giant red flag against him I think the thing that
00:42:14
everybody needs to keep in mind here is that can we all agree that this scenario
00:42:21
is unique in the sense that every bit of evidence that we can find points to the
00:42:27
fact that they were both walking away from this relationship right they were both walking away maybe in a situation
00:42:36
if if she were and this is not the truth but if she were running around on him you'd go well that's a red flag he
00:42:43
didn't report her missing he didn't he didn't get scared he didn't get nervous that she wasn't coming home right that's
00:42:48
a red flag no they were both walking away from this relationship regardless of what was going on inside that home
00:42:54
so therefore to me I almost feel like a different reaction to her not coming home is what I would actually expect in
00:43:04
this situation meaning either a he was a bit upset Oh what she's just not gonna come home now oh I'll call a few people
00:43:12
but I'm not gonna waste my time on it I got kids I got to get to school I got a job I got to show up to write or the
00:43:18
other one that we've talked about a few times here too did he just not care did he just go on whatever this is over I've
00:43:25
already emotionally walked away from this relationship a while ago right but hold on you're talking about just the
00:43:32
fact that he didn't report her missing right where where many people would say that's a red flag against him I almost
00:43:38
feel like if I were in this situation I would think that it's a it's in his favor that he felt differently or at
00:43:47
least appears from the outside to have felt different yeah but I don't look at that like that at all I mean he could
00:43:52
have been going I'm gonna call her work weird call some of her friends well then
00:43:57
you call the neighbor and they call the cops mm-hmm okay well you didn't report it
00:44:02
but you called the neighbor so it's not like you hid it from any play indirectly
00:44:06
you reported it so yeah I mean like uh he didn't report it but somebody did so at that point for
00:44:14
all we know the neighbors said hey guess what I called the cops or the cops came
00:44:17
to his house and why he's calling and still looking for ok now we're doing this you know so it's so weird because
00:44:24
there's so many things that it's like you easily go this guy I don't like him he smells like a turd and then there's
00:44:36
other parts where you go I see you walk you know a sane person would do that or somebody that actually cared about her
00:44:44
you know and again they're going through a divorce there's anger there but at the
00:44:49
end of the day they're together for 14 years he probably cares about our some level
00:44:54
there's the mother of his kids it's so weird it's like he calls I mean this that that's as simple as it can be he
00:45:04
calls her work to figure out if she made it to work that's either a cover-up or he gives a
00:45:11
[ __ ] and like that's what we're almost every piece of evidence points and that's really frustrating and if he's
00:45:19
not guilty of anything you know this is I feel bad for him well here's the other thing you gotta
00:45:26
wonder about right for for the future of his life separated from his ex-wife doesn't having her around make it easier
00:45:35
for him and what I mean by that look if they're having money problems they're separating they're going to share those
00:45:42
money problems even after they separate it eases his burden a little bit and the
00:45:48
other thing too is they both planned on shared parenting as a single as a now single man he has somebody that he can
00:45:56
trust more than anyone else to watch his children a few nights a week right you know so what I'm getting at is seems a
00:46:04
little easier for him that she be around there doesn't seem to be a situation where he's running around on her and
00:46:10
just has to get out of this marriage and can't come up with any better idea than
00:46:14
to turn in Chris watts and end it all right but well I agree with that but then I start thinking
00:46:21
that maybe it's a situation when he goes I'm in control I make a tea granny make
00:46:25
10 grand and she starts playing the system a little bit and goes you know what I can actually get you out of the
00:46:33
house maybe I can win this house in the divorce because look anybody that's gone
00:46:41
through a big breakup let's just say you live with the person you don't have to be married to the person but several
00:46:48
times I'd sit down at a table you know we need to talk about what we're splitting up okay this is how I think
00:46:56
things will go right that's maybe somebody lays out to you I'm gonna keep the house you keep this car you do this
00:47:03
right all that can change and an argument is your own saying yeah I get it and so is that so
00:47:14
motive could be a lot more than money in custody it could be a bunch of stuff where it's this person maybe didn't
00:47:22
really care so much he filed for a divorce but now it's our all of a sudden shifting and she starts going while you
00:47:29
were verbally abusive and you did all this stuff and I'm gonna take everything I can and then he's gonna wait a second
00:47:37
listen not how it's supposed to go we're supposed to vote this walk away mm-hmm is that enough for somebody to snap and
00:47:43
kill somebody I believe so she could have threatened him with that but from the outside looking in I don't
00:47:49
see much in the way of property I mean I just don't see it you know what I mean it seems like ball means she filed for
00:47:57
him to be evicted from the house right I mean that's evidence of that's just a place to stay until they get until the
00:48:03
divorce is final though right but what I'm saying the difference is is that the communication could have been you know
00:48:12
you're gonna you know he paid for the house maybe if she's only making 10,000 bucks you think he really needed her
00:48:19
help to pay for the house probably not no no I don't think sand so what I'm saying is that the conversation could
00:48:26
have been well I'm going to keep the house because I paid on it and she's like yeah no big deal
00:48:30
and we're gonna do shared parenting if there's a big deal what I'm getting in is it's
00:48:35
it's I see what you're saying but the the problem in that though to go to the extent of killing somebody there's no
00:48:45
equity in that home it's not like you're losing something right but sometimes people are grasping at straws to hold on
00:48:53
to some stability of their life is what I mean and I know that sounds like Isley but I
00:49:00
think if if it's AB stretch is what I'm saying so I'm not leaning towards that I'm just saying I could see that and
00:49:06
that's what make like I said back to the my main point and my final wrap-up of the case in my eyes is either almost
00:49:16
everything in this case points to that's fishy and I kind of understand why he did it so that make sense you kind of
00:49:25
understand why he killed his wife no no no no no no I mean you kind of understand why people suspect him no no
00:49:32
what I'm saying is like just take any point of evidence any knowledge that we have it's like he called it her work
00:49:42
it's like part of me goes all that's him covering up that he did something to her
00:49:48
right and the other part of me goes no he's actually looking for but it's like there's so much stuff that does that
00:49:56
we're like at first he's talking to the cops so they stop stalking on the cops and it's like I see does that make sense
00:50:03
yeah well but one thing one possibility we didn't get to yet is did some random person grab her off the street and
00:50:11
killer and this I actually believed to be one of the more probable scenarios for a couple of reasons one the weather
00:50:18
was not bad that night from what I could find it wasn't perfect but what if she took off on a jog
00:50:25
you know Plainfield is a safe area but we have covered just in the past year at least three incidences of a lady going
00:50:34
out jogging by herself and some snake in the grass evil man sees her and attacks
00:50:39
her so it's even though this is a safe area you have to keep in mind unfortunately this stuff can happen
00:50:46
anywhere and I think this might be somewhat possible because of the items missing you know we have
00:50:53
the purse is a bit tricky I don't know anybody that goes out jogging with their purse but I would expect her to take her
00:50:58
cell phone with her we also know that the area was safe enough and at least the weather was nice enough for the
00:51:06
father to send a 12 and 10 year-old you know kids out on a bike ride in search of candy but so that is a possible
00:51:15
interesting angle here and we know that she jogged in the park across the street
00:51:20
from their home this wouldn't require her to take her car this wouldn't require her to tell anyone where she was
00:51:27
going while also she could have taken our purse and put it on the bigs while she's
00:51:33
running hmm as long as she knows that she can see the banish'd why she's running I've seen people do that a lot
00:51:40
the problem though here captain is you know could this case just ultimately be a dead end because I hope not what I
00:51:49
mean by this is I so many cases that we've covered there's very few what may be two that I can think of that it seems
00:51:59
like a person just straight up and vanished right and with her situation it doesn't seem like she was in charge of
00:52:06
going missing I feel like between her close friends all the things that came out later I feel like Lisa was a bit of
00:52:15
an open book to her friends in her close you know relatives right and so therefore I kind of feel like this is a
00:52:23
situation where she may have vanished for unknown reasons and the answer could be right in front of us it really could
00:52:30
but there's nothing to connect there's nothing solid and concrete to connect Kraig as 100% your guy and let me just
00:52:38
ask you a couple questions if you can answer these and I know I'm going back a little bit but she leaves work what time
00:52:48
at 2:30 and then this would be a pretty normal time for her to leave and what time does the kid need picked up 3:30 so
00:52:57
and we know that she stopped and got a sandwich somewhere along the way right so we have her whereabouts up to
00:53:04
let's say about three o'clock some a picks up the kid we don't know if it's her don't know if it's the husband hmm
00:53:12
they get back to that puts them back to the house picked the kid up at 3:30 waited in line a little bit roughly
00:53:18
about four o'clock hmm the neighbors see him roughly around 6:30 7:00 no I don't
00:53:29
know exactly when they see him or if they even claimed to have seen him at all what here's what I think is concrete
00:53:39
in this in this case and this is coming from law enforcement law enforcement has
00:53:44
stated that they believe that Leigh systemic was in the home when the children left to go to Walgreens to get
00:53:51
candy this would have been shortly after Craig came home from work at 5:40 p.m. then when they returned sometime between
00:53:59
6:30 and 6:45 p.m. Leigh systemic was not in the home so Craig was Brian we do know that they even though that the
00:54:08
communication was cut off at some point law enforcement did speak with the children right yeah first yeah and so
00:54:16
what's interesting here is you have an hour you have an hour that you have to now they talked to the kids so I'm
00:54:25
assuming that the kids are saying yeah our dad was there when we got back our mom wasn't and that gives him an hour
00:54:33
and if people saw him digging in his backyard or whatever that you know working in the backyard whatever they
00:54:41
brought dogs in mmm nothing no scent picked up you'd think they would have picked something up case would be solved
00:54:50
but that an hour is not a big window well a good friend of mine who lives in Illinois he's retired firefighter he has
00:54:59
a theory that basically ends with Craig killed Lisa at some point and was planning it for months and she's in the
00:55:09
ground at their property really I Gregg shoutout to my buddy Greg thanks for all your he just retired recently as
00:55:19
a firefighter so thanks for all your years as a first responder I think his theories very interesting he
00:55:25
claims that she would be at least she's probably in some kind of container maybe
00:55:30
a barrel or something that he put in the ground at some point and that this barrel would be at least three feet or
00:55:36
deeper in the ground and he's his thought is that they need to use sonar you know ground-penetrating sonar to see
00:55:46
if there's anything on that property right there's a couple of there's a couple of things that I throw in there
00:55:52
to poke a hole or at least question that theory I think it's a good one but I saw
00:55:59
that the property was listed for sale at some point this is not a large property
00:56:05
it would be interesting you know you and I have talked so many times about in these cases what can we prove and what
00:56:11
can we dis prove is there any theory or anything along our list that we can at least scratch off even if we can't find
00:56:18
Lisa's remains on the step ik property that they used to own can we at least go well that's not a possibility because
00:56:25
we've searched it properly and we know that that cannot be right and so it would be interesting that's not a large
00:56:32
property it's a regular neighborhood so I'm guessing from pictures we're probably talking about a quarter acre
00:56:38
law issue somewhere in there so it wouldn't take long to scan that property and see if there's anything hiding in
00:56:45
the ground there but I would love I would love for the current homeowners to give consent for that to happen and I'm
00:56:53
sure there's somewhere someone out there that followed this case maybe even to this day that would be willing to help
00:56:59
in that detection of if there's any anomaly in the ground there well the reason why I would like that theory is
00:57:07
the idea like I said it's not a lot of time from the time that the children leave yeah 45 minutes maybe an hour this
00:57:16
guy would have had to move quick yeah but if you plan this a week in advance well then you'd have everything ready
00:57:24
all you'd have to do as killer put her in the container and then bury it it's an interesting case
00:57:33
but a very sad one too because I kind of feel like unless Lisa's now grown adult
00:57:40
children come forward with something new right with something that they have not
00:57:43
spoke about yet some kind of new information this is a cold case and I think it might just keep getting colder
00:57:50
do you have a number to call if anybody has in any information we can look up the Plainfield Police Department the
00:57:58
number is area code eight one five four three six two three four one eight one five four three six two three four one
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