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round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] police believe that Lindsay Busey AK was
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specifically targeted for a brutal murder which looks like a professional hit so the real-estate showing was likely a
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ruse to get Lindsay alone in a place where she was vulnerable the murder shows a certain level of sophistication
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and planning now not only were the police stumped as to the identity of the murders but they were clueless as to any
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motive as well right which is going to cause them to look deeper into Lindsay's life yeah investigators will be
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examining her financial records and social media accounts even the deleted chats in messages that she had Lindsay
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had a lot of friends and by all accounts no enemies she also led a low-risk lifestyle didn't owe anyone any money
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and had a perfect credit score now drugs were a big part of the young 20s lifestyle in the area at this time but
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Lindsay was not a drug user and in fact disliked drugs and what they did to people now let's go through some of the
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more popular suspects and theories okay first we want to talk about Jason Zelo her boyfriend as we mentioned there
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is a major group of Internet crime Watchers who believe vehemently that Jason was instrumental in Lindsay's
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murder and this is partially because there are widely divergent thoughts about their relationship
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Lindsay's sister Sarah with whom she was very close said quote Lindsay was with Jason at the time and I knew that she
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was extremely happy Lindsay's mother's side of the family the right Myers who lived in Victoria
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and knew Jason believed that he has been cooperative and caring in the aftermath
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of Lindsay's murder but Lindsay's father Jeff tells a very different story he says that Lindsay confided in him that
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she was unhappy with Jason and that he was controlling possessive and jealous and she wanted out
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Jeff Busey AK in his very public stated opinion says Jason Zelo was complicit in
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his daughter's death he doesn't believe that Jason actually did the stabbing but
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he believes that Jason and his family are involved in a conspiracy and plotted to kill Lindsay as Jeff Busey AK tells
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it Lindsay was afraid and told him that she quote seen something she shouldn't have seen even if this happened which
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our sources say that it did not the rest of her family and friends know nothing about this but even if she did tell her
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father that she saw something she shouldn't have seen there is no evidence that it was in any way actually
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connected to Jason Jeff has stated that Lindsay saw something scary that involved something really bad like human
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trafficking snuff films political corruption extortion and that Jason was involved we cannot emphasize enough that
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there is absolutely zero evidence of this Jeff Busey AK has zeroed in on Jason as
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have his online followers based on the following rumors speculation gossip much of which is not backed up by any
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credible sources and even contradicts actual evidence in the case so let's try to go through some of these thoughts one
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at a time Jason and Lindsay may have been having trouble Lindsay wanted out and also Jason was
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selling steroids this is one of the theories that would lead to Jason being involved here's the other Jason
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engineered his whole alibi making sure to be captured on surveillance camera and to bring Cowan along when he went to
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meet Lindsay right while being sure to be there well after 5:30 so that the killers would have the opportunity to
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get her alone mug this is also controlling the narrative because we have one narrative saying
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that she was a little leery about meeting these individuals and then she wanted her boyfriend to come and assist
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her well he then controls the narrative by saying no no that's not why I was there
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which again one of my big questions is if he was there to protect her and he is a real estate agent why are you waiting
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why are you waiting are you waiting to give them the opportunity to do what you know that they're there to do and that
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is to murder your girlfriend or because we have the one one story but then by him controlling the narrative to say no
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that's not why I was there that gives the the question of why would you wait that answers it but who's answering that
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for us Jason well I get what you're saying but I think what we have here is we have Jeff and others controlling the
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narrative I think what we have Jason saying is he had to answer the police and investigators questions and I think
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that that is why that what his statements are do not really combat what the narrative is because it's the
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narrative is just that it's it's a it's a story of why Jason would be there and to put bad light onto Jason if Jason was
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in fact controlling the narrative the narrative would have changed by this point it has not it's just simply he's
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providing an answer to police police are gonna want to know look dude you're the
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you're her boyfriend how the hell is it that you are the one that discovered her body why were you
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there in the first place she's a big girl she is showing this house she doesn't need your help what is your
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reasoning for being there there's no coincidence in the world that explains a way that you just happen
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to be at the place that and find your your girlfriend's dead body so he needs a reason to be there police want a
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reason for him to be there we have Jeff Busey AK and others who are saying he was there as the muscle he was there as
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protection to protect Lindsay where Jason is in fact saying no and keep in mind he's
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questioned that night he had already answered this question before this whole idea of him being there to protect her
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even came out so it's not like he's he's well hold on a second though but if you're planning a murderer you're
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planning somebody to murder your girlfriend you can also then plan a couple steps hey I know I need to be at
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this property because I'm going to be seen on surveillance I'm gonna call this individual I'm gonna have this other
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individual with me this gives me an alibi okay so I'm the one that finds her again that makes some logical sense on
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how you open up the front door and within two seconds you're upstairs and you found her body and you didn't go
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looking anywhere else in the house you went right to her was that part of the plan so what I'm saying is it's not that
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far-fetched for him to you know for other people to say hey we think that Lindsay was concerned about going and
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meeting these individuals and he knew that would be a question that was brought up so now I need to but it
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wouldn't shift the narrative no no no but the problem with that is it would not be the question the question would
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be why are you there at all for any reason what is your reasoning for actually being there to which he had a
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very plausible answer no I and I don't just what I dispute that but what I'm saying is it's not that far-fetched to
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think if somebody's involved in this no no I get that what I'm what are your out
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there story you know beforehand well of course of course if you're gonna go to the to the effort to hire somebody to
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kill somebody that you know you're definitely gonna come up with some kind of story right I mean if you didn't
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you've just put the the cart before the horse there makes no damn sense what I'm
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pointing horses in this case what I'm pointing out here is that the narrative that he was there to protect her in any
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shape or form did not even that was not even a thought at the time that Jason was initially questioned in the murder
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was girl yeah so it's not like what I'm saying is he's presenting a reason for being there
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he's not presenting a reason that's different than what was later said just to be different right is what I'm
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getting at he's just giving a plausible reason yeah now here's the other thing that I want to point out - all right
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first off a much better alibi would have been to be as far away as possible if he wanted to get rid of Lindsay and
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staged I mean he could have staged an accident or a disappearance which would made have made a lot less less of a
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splash than a sensational savage murder but then on top of that think about this
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if he really thought this through unless he's just a [ __ ] if he's gonna go to the effort to hire somebody to kill his
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girlfriend why wouldn't he be as far away as possible because now you're opening up yourself to further
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questioning some people would go well he wanted to confirm that she was dead wanted to confirm that the hit actually
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went down mm-hmm okay I get that but any reasonable person is going to know that
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you are already subjected to a certain line of questioning because you are her live-in boyfriend now if you're also the
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boyfriend and find the body be the one that finds the body you are opening up yourself to a whole other line of
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questioning right right which I agree but I also think like it's kind of one or the other be as far away as possible
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or be as close as you can you know hide in plain sight well the thing here is though he had an
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alibi without creating one okay he took Cowan with him to SHC to whatever that meeting was that they were going to
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discuss that day we know that he was the listing agent for that property Jason was yeah we know that Cowan and
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him had a hockey game later that night right so he had a solid alibi from the time that they that he and Cowan arrived
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at shc through the end of the hockey game instead if he was involved and we have to believe he went out of
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his way to go to the home that she was killed in it just again that doesn't bother me because like I said it's one
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or the other and my eyes be as far as weh-weh as possible and be around as many people as possible or be as close
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as possible and and you're carrying your get-out-of-jail-free card with you and the passenger seat I understand that but
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what I'm pointing out here is this really the grudge it doesn't need to what I'm pointing out
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is the it to me it makes his reasoning his reason for being there for being at 1702 de Sousa place verifiable it makes
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it makes that carry more weight to me he has a reason to be there that is not her
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protection he has a reason to be there to get her to sign some papers to go over some paperwork to have a quick
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meeting one Cohen would be aware of this as he travels along with Jason too you can verify this by the person that
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actually owns the property and by the person making an offer on the property as well it just doesn't it doesn't make
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a lot of sense to me now there's a lot of things in a lot of cases that are not supposed to make a
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lot of sense sorry we can we can agree to disagree on that oh and I'm not saying that that's what I think I'm I'm
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saying I think that's a lot of these armchair detectives that's where they're going now this doesn't add up to me and
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then that's all I'm saying so some other things that people have pointed out here
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is that Jason moved his car from the call to sac to the main road either to see a signal from the killers that the
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that the coast was clear or to see whether they were gone that they had left the property I don't know there's
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no way for us to verify why he moved the car means if you again this is another situation where somebody comes up with
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this theory and you go well that makes sense I'll Park here I didn't see anybody now I move a little close
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okay now they gave me the signal okay once I saw those individuals now we got to get into the house okay that makes
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some logical sense but his story was and and if his story is correct that he wasn't there to protect her but he was
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just there for paperwork he didn't want to interrupt her he didn't want to seem like lurking he didn't want these
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clients to come out and just see some some dudes in the car and think who the hell are these guys so that's why he
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parked down a little ways once he's not getting a response drives closer so it's
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again both kind of make logical sense the other thing though too is if he is in fact there for a meeting think about
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the way that this whole event is described they pull up in to the call to sack and he's waiting in the vehicle to
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which later he moves the vehicle to an actual parking space okay many times you can sit in a vehicle
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waiting and you're not in an actual parking space the way that this is worded is that he actually moves the
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vehicle to park the car to exit the vehicle right that also makes sense to me there but again we don't know we may
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never know and then again of course the the statement that comes up often that he ran straight up the stairs once he
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entered the house as if he knew where she would be found there are several people out there too that say Jason is
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friends with some low-level drug dealer type well let's just stay on that that real quick I buy his statements I mean
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he again he's going over this with detectives and everything but it is a little fishy to me that you opened the
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door and within seconds you're you're by the body but again it could have just been a gut feeling or his thought maybe
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just been I'm gonna run upstairs first or we don't know every detail that he you know based on the shadowy figures
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that he saw or the layout of the house we don't know there could have been a reason why he decided to go up there
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first May and maybe just subconsciously but I see why people find that a little fishy I too found that to be strange now
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we should point out and be very clear here that two years after the murder Saanich police announced in a press
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conference that they had actually cleared Jason Zella they admitted that as Lindsay's boyfriend he had initially
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been a person of interest but after a two-year long investigation including 1471 interviews 30 search warrants and
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follow up on 752 tips the Saanich PD Major Crimes Unit felt confident that Jason was not involved the forensic
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evidence footprints and fingerprints found at the scene backed up his and Cohen's stories
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about their movements inside the home that evening adding quote mr. Zelo and his friend were under intense police
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scrutiny however mr. Zeller was cooperative with police took a polygraph exam and passed based on forensic
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evidence timeline of communications witness testimony video surveillance we do I'm sorry we know he's not the killer
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was he perhaps somehow involved in the planning well he successfully passed a polygraph and he successfully took part
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in all of these interviews with us so at this point in time he is not considered
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a suspect and quote while I'm glad that you bring and bring that up because I really think the people don't look at
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evidence enough and when you see this chatter online about certain cases it drives me insane
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there is evidence and what we do have and what the police are stating is if you look at the forensic evidence and
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you look at the questioning and their interrogation and then the lie detector what we know is that the events that he
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said that took place that night in that house we know he's telling the truth about that
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so that could I think should sway some people to go well if he's being cooperative and the
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police believe that his stories are truthful full then some of the things that don't line up you have to start
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kind of favoring that maybe he is telling the truth because law enforcement believe he is or believe
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that they have evidence to prove he is yeah and the thing too is we understand that polygraphs they don't mean a whole
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lot to the captain or myself okay we understand that they don't hold up in a court of law
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but I like them I don't mind them but I hate the emails that that we get or the blog post of why do you even discuss the
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polygraph exam you know they don't they're not you can't present them in the court of law
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I don't care if you can we understand that but you you can't also present in the court of law than a detective got a
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bad feeling about somebody but somebody that interviews hundreds of thousands of
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people throughout their career I'm gonna go with some of these peoples guts gut feelings well and it's not us that asked
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anybody to take a polygraph exam we're just reporting that I will we're reporting what the police stated that he
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was given one and according to them that he passed it now police also publicly denied swirling rumors that they
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searched the condo where Jason and Lindsay lived but only after obtaining a warrant now to be perfectly clear the
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condo was searched but they did not need a warrant we don't know why exactly they
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did not need a warrant but presumably we can say it could be because Jason gave them permission right Jason did lawyer
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up pretty quickly but this is probably because he was placed in restraints and taken to the station when he found
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Lindsay's body this is a move that any smart person would likely make police investigated Jason his finances his
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background his associates his business dealings thoroughly for two years the fact is there is simply zero
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I actually think right I actually think that play by the law enforcement is bad to actually cuff him I think what they
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should have done is don't cuff him take him down the station for questioning and
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to see if he would lawyer up but I think like you said once you're taken down and
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and you're cuffed and you're in restraints that might get you thinking hey this is serious and I need a lawyer
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up now on to Jason's family according to internet theorist on Jeff Busey acts website and other message boards this is
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the Zelo family conspiracy the theory is complicated but let's go through it Jason's brother Ryan and Jason's mother
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Shirley also worked in the real estate business Lindsay actually met Jason through his
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brother Ryan whom she met at their real estate course they all worked for the same company and did business together
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Shirley was Lindsay's manager at Remax and depending on who you ask either her mentor and confidant or her
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nemesis many believe that Shirley and likely Ryan were all in on this hit on Lindsay and here's what they base this
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conspiracy theory on Shirley Zelo bought a lake house for Lindsay and Jason that
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cost in excess of 1.2 million dollars and also paid for Lindsay's breast enhancement surgery let's go ahead and
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go through this before we move on to the next thing that those statements are false okay the truth is the lake house
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was just Shirley's vacation home Shirley owned this home it was her vacation home right
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and the other truth Lindsay paid for her own surgery so whatever people think that that property or the money involved
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in the surgery or that property however they believe it to be mixed up in the murder of Lindsay it doesn't work
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right it just doesn't work out okay and here's the other thing Shirley had a lot
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of money and therefore some people say she must have been involved in drug trafficking money laundering or a
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combination thereof the truth is Shirley simply is just a very successful real estate agent and realtor she's she's
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really good at what she does and that has really advanced her career and her earnings throughout the years right so
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but to be clear so there was a lake house they when they decided to move in when Jason and Lindsay decided to move
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in together that's where they moved they were there for a while and then that and
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then after being there for a while they moved out and got a condo together right
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so we also have a situation where people point out that Lindsay found out about the corruption and Shirley Jason and
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Ryan's business so she had to be eliminated again this goes back to the idea of Shirley has a lot of money
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therefore she must be involved in something nefarious the truth is again she's just a successful person now
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Shirley set the whole thing up by calling Lindsay in a fake accent so this is people saying that Shirley Jason's
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mother was actually the person that made that phone call Roland's only know by pings and the phone wasn't at the whole
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different area until that Friday you're absolutely correct Shirley and Ryan in disguise were
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actually the couple who met up with Lindsay or the Mexican couple that was hired to help to lure Lindsay into the
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home and Ryan and or Shirley were waiting inside to waiting inside the house to kill Lindsay okay so this one's
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a little convoluted because there's several different ways that this works out but the gist of it is that Shirley
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and Ryan would be would be directly involved in the murder either waiting outside for her for the
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meeting to bring her into the or one or both of them actually committed the murder themselves problem
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with this is that we know that Lindsay met with these two individuals and we also have forensic evidence that that
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puts them going through the at least the downstairs and so you're gonna tell me that the that Lindsay is not gonna
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recognize her boyfriend's brother in disguise or or or the woman she works with and for right possibly her mentor
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or nemesis either one you either really like her face or you hate her face and me but you know her face okay here's
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some other things too where people point out that Shirley was friends with the Builder remember we mentioned Joe
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D'Souza and therefore she would have had access to the house we can't say for certain if she would or would not have
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had access to the house it seems a little far-fetched for me because here's the thing we have the statement of
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Lindsay not being the listing agent for that property mm-hmm but it's believed that somebody at Remax was the listing
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agent for that property I think if Shirley's Ella was the listing agent if she was directly
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involved with that property right she would have access to it and it would be all over the internet but that's not
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what anybody's saying so it seems to me likely that that yeah she may have known
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Joe that doesn't seem to be that big of a deal because what we will find what I believe to be one of the issues with
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this case and with the rumors swirling around this whole case is that even though that this is a big city in the
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Greater Metro area over 350,000 people it's it doesn't live that way it lives as a situation where everybody is only
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separated basically by one degree of separation well I think what they mean by her knowing the Builder is that there
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was construction going on in that area so that she would know that the construction would have been done by the
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time that they were supposed to meet up at 5:30 oh that there would be the the street wilt are highly nothing to do
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with the house that they were meeting at well he built the house right but when they're talking about the Builder
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they're talking because there's construction works construction on that Street always
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still about 5:00 5:30 every day mm-hmm so they were saying that she would know that this builder would be gone by then
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and so there would be less eyewitnesses agreed but what people were also pointing out is that Shirley would have
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had access to the house right but as a real estate agent because when Jason was trying to get access to the house to get
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inside you know he called his mother to try to get them to try to get the code right well I know that he called people
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I don't know for certain who he called well I believe he called his mother to try to get the number and I don't think
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she could get it but the realtor's would have ways to get access to that number but we'd have a trail because if she is
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not the listing agent and obviously Lindsay wasn't they would have to probably get that code from that listing
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agent so we would have somebody coming forward saying hey you know the day of the murders Jason's mom came and got got
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some information from me and also if it's true that Jason called his mother to try to get access to in into the
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house then they should be able to find cellphone ping technology to kind of find out where Jason's mother was at at
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Zelo family having some involvement or orchestrating this whole murder people point out that surely Jason's mother was
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friends with a guy named Terry Sheen who lived in a nearby house this is located
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near the murder house and that's where some people claim that she that Shirley and Jason's brother Ryan escaped to to
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hide after committing the murder okay the problem with this theory is that house was searched that night and
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searched very quickly so they didn't find Ryan and Shirley hiding in this house and in fact Shirley showed up at
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the scene within a short amount of time after the murder people again point out that this means that she was already on
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scene on location at the time of the murder yes she just walked out from a bush hey guys so the thing is I get that
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that does create suspicion and I would be suspicious of such but then we have to take that just one little step
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further and remind ourselves that Shirley is not only Jason's mother who he was on the scene but also Lindsay's
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boss and as the captain suspects she may have received a phone call from Jason who was trying to gain access to the
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home saying something's going on the door's locked I don't know what's happening again if that's correct yeah
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cuz he was trying to get access he was freaking out at this point why wouldn't she even just head that way
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this is again one of those things where it's like both sides of the coin makes sense what we don't know is is the side
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of the coin the truth well and we one thing we do know regarding phone calls made when he was trying to access the
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home one of those calls was to the Remax office okay so he may have not directly
00:34:59
called his mother but remember we've already stated that they all work together and so this may be she was at
00:35:06
the office when this call came in the other thing here too is people have said that surely later dated a Saanich
00:35:15
police officer so that she had some way of controlling the investigation or the statements that were coming out from the
00:35:25
police department after well after the murder again I get it and I see where the suspicion is but this seems like a
00:35:34
whole lot of orchestrating bye-bye one just a couple of people it seems like a lot of work to be doing but not only
00:35:42
that it's she dated this guy after the fact that could just be a coincidence and again this is a large city where it
00:35:52
seems like everybody knows one another or they're just one degree of separation away from one another well as far as the
00:35:59
motive goes but to involve Jason's mother it's it's this idea again and creating an air of she saw something she
00:36:07
shouldn't have saw okay so what is that and as an investigator it's like you have to follow that rabbit hole down and
00:36:15
then you have to find evidence of what is it is there some involvement with the drug selling human trafficking whatever
00:36:24
it is but if you get to the end of the road and you can't find evidence of that there either
00:36:30
just a good real estate agent or they're really good at hiding this other stuff and before we move on we would be remiss
00:36:37
if we did not point out that some people say that the Zelo family even had access
00:36:43
to a killer somebody that they could have hired to carry out this murder okay this would be a man by the name of Ziggy
00:36:51
Matheson okay he is by all accounts a low-level drug dealer Ziggy was a childhood friend and hockey buddy of
00:37:02
Jason's and Ryan's yeah surely rented a home to Ziggy now surely rented a home to him for five
00:37:11
years this wasn't a situation where he just poof appears on the scene shortly before her murder and then poof
00:37:19
disappears shortly afterwards Sherly rented this home to this man for five years and she stated that you know
00:37:28
he lived there for so long because he always paid his rent on time and he didn't cause us any trouble when he
00:37:34
lived there that's not the kind of renter that you get rid of now Ziggy was arrested for dealing drugs this was
00:37:42
years after Lindsay's murder and he was also once charged with murdering a man who was dating
00:37:48
Ziggy's ex-girlfriend Shannon and assaulting her keep in mind we said charged with murdering he was not
00:37:59
convicted of that charge there does not seem to be I'm not saying that he's innocent in that situation but in this
00:38:08
situation regarding Lindsay's case there doesn't seem to be much of a connection
00:38:13
between him and Lindsay other than he is a guy that was a friend was a one-time friend of Jason's right but she writes
00:38:22
she sees something that Lindsay sees something she's not supposed to see the mother then has to take care of it I
00:38:28
have this renter he's he's a depending on who you ask low level to mid-level drug dealer he has a shady past I'm
00:38:39
gonna hire him yeah and the thing here too is probably for me the most the strangest thing in this whole weird case
00:38:50
is a phone call that some say took place and some say did not take place hmm okay
00:38:58
so a friend of Lindsay's after her murder receives a call she said that she received a call from a woman who was
00:39:09
very obviously using a fake accent and she received this call for unknown reasons her friend says that she tries
00:39:20
to call the person back and called repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly until finally somebody answered the phone yeah
00:39:28
the person that answered the phone was Shirley Zelo this is one of those weird situations
00:39:35
captain where I don't know what to make of this whole idea I I personally believe that if this story is true
00:39:44
that's very damning well that's what I mean I don't know whether to make if this story is true or not because we
00:39:52
have Lindsey's friend who says that this is what happened and then later we have
00:39:57
surely saying that never happened I don't know what that person is talking about well right but all we have to do
00:40:04
is somebody can prove this through phone records so again has the investigator I'm going okay you tell me this happened
00:40:12
you claim that Jason's mother called you use this weird accent okay the rumor was that that the friend
00:40:21
called the number back about 20 30 times because obviously by at this point when
00:40:28
your friend has been murdered and she's supposed to meet the Mexicans at the showing and you possibly have heard
00:40:36
rumors of this weird accent and you get a call with that you're just gonna keep calling back keep calling back and
00:40:42
finally she Jason's mom answers now there should be some phone record of that but to me you know it's it's one of
00:40:51
those things where does it prove anything other than a phone call was made no it doesn't but man that that
00:41:00
would to me that's a giant red flag if this is true well that's what I mean well I don't know whether to make heads
00:41:07
or tails of it whether it being true or not we have we all we have is two stories one story that in fact happened
00:41:13
and the other story that it never happened well if the freedo ones have proved the point they can you know
00:41:18
release the phone record well what is that going to show us so that's at least gonna show that the the phone call was
00:41:28
made that there was an incoming call from a number that she called a number back multiple times and and then
00:41:35
somebody eventually answered and if you can prove that then that some evidence that your story is correct right but
00:41:43
what I'm saying is we don't have a third party to tell us if this in fact happened
00:41:48
and so therefore I can't make an opinion on on this whole scenario right but that's what I'm saying if I'm the friend
00:41:55
and I know that this happened I'm releasing that those phone records to at least proof you know to somewhat try to
00:42:02
prove my point correct correct I'm with you on that so people need to keep in mind though that
00:42:10
the Saanich police they state that they have cleared the Zelo family of any involvement the spokesman for the
00:42:18
Saanich PD stated in a press conference quote we would like to state unequivocally that no member of the Zelo
00:42:25
family is considered a person of interest or a suspect in this investigation our detectives are
00:42:31
satisfied that the celos have no knowledge or any participation in this horrific crime end quote so who's next
00:42:40
on our list how about Lindsay's ex-boyfriend Matt Macduff Shirley Zelo said on Dateline
00:42:47
that Lindsay had confided in her that she was afraid of her ex Matt mm-hmm Jeff Busey AK says that Lindsay wanted
00:42:54
to leave Jason and rekindle things with Matt mm-hmm more importantly what did the police think of this Matt so Lindsay
00:43:02
and Matt dated for five years from 2001 to 2006 there is some indication that their relationship was rocky Dateline
00:43:11
reported that she called the cops on him three times in that five-year period Matt did tend to be involved in the drug
00:43:19
scene and he did have some buddies who were considered to be bad news one of these guys is a guy named Edgar ASA Vito
00:43:27
who goes by vid and another is Erickson delicas R and his brothers and associates now we'll get into them in a
00:43:35
bit but first matt has a pretty strong alibi okay for the time when Lindsay was murdered one he was with his
00:43:44
girlfriend's family too this is over an hour away at the time and Matt and Lindsay they didn't have any contact
00:43:53
with each other for months and it had actually been broken up for nearly two years at this time right
00:44:01
Matt was interviewed and appeared to be genuinely affected by Lindsay's murder Jeff Busey AK implied that Lindsay was
00:44:09
still in love with Matt and wanted to get back together with him but the problem with that is we have police
00:44:16
saying that there was no contact between the two of them so we know that this is
00:44:23
a murder-for-hire situation awarded at least appears to be that way so when we look at somebody as a suspect we can't
00:44:31
just go well they had an alibi so they didn't do it yeah I mean yeah you purposely hire somebody to do that so
00:44:37
that you do have an alibi when the murder goes down well like I said and be as far away as possible or as close but
00:44:45
the problem with this whole statement is there look he may have known some bad people mm-hmm there's no evidence to
00:44:54
suggest that he was in any way involved so I feel I think you like with Matt you're just really spinning your tires
00:45:02
and saying well what if what if what if what if but again where is the evidence that there's any proof that he is tied
00:45:11
to this murder yeah the law enforcement they don't like him as a likely suspect but there is a connection there he might
00:45:20
not be involved but his knowing of Lindsay and his relationship with Lindsay could become a cause correct
00:45:30
well one thing that police uncovered in their investigation of Lindsay was a possible connection to some very
00:45:38
nefarious activity remember Lindsay's father Jeff lived hundreds of miles away in Calgary Alberta right Lindsay flew
00:45:46
out to visit him for three days in December of 2007 so they're going to be digging deep into her life to figure out
00:45:55
where and why was she killed right well they go out to Calgary and they're investigating her murder while
00:46:04
they're there they discovered that she that Lindsay reached out to a male acquaintance from Victoria contacting
00:46:10
this person once by phone and once via Facebook it is not known whether the two actually
00:46:17
spoke met in person or anything about the nature of their contact in fact Lindsey went out at least twice during
00:46:25
her visit to her father what she did where she went and who she saw is unknown okay clear this up for me did
00:46:35
she's the one that made contact with this individual or the individual made contact with her what is reported is
00:46:43
that she contacted this person once by phone and once via Facebook I okay anyway this person that she contacted
00:46:52
was a family member of a very bad man who we've already named Erickson delicas are from Victoria now Erickson along
00:47:01
with a partner Graham Scott Taylor these two were arrested in January of 2008 and
00:47:06
what sergeant Horsley described as quote the largest drug bust in Alberta history
00:47:12
we're talking about eight million dollars worth of cocaine this bust pulled in 67 kilos of cocaine plus
00:47:20
weapons and cash all right set up the dominoes and with just one tiny little push watch them all fall because this
00:47:29
bust triggered a massive scandal that reached into the echelon of the Canadian political machine we can't tear through
00:47:38
all of that here it's kind of a big story as you can imagine but within the next few months right 12 more operatives
00:47:48
were arrested and Calgary police they figured out that this thing was much much bigger than expected so to
00:47:55
emphasize this Lindsay contacted a family member of Erickson delicas R for unknown reasons and to an unknown extent
00:48:04
right just a few weeks later Erickson was busted in a massive operation and informant based in Victoria told police
00:48:13
about the large-scale dealings of Erickson and others and wiretaps and surveillance had been in place for two
00:48:21
or more months the snitch had specifically told police about a safe containing over four
00:48:28
kilos of cocaine just days after the bust which took place on January 22nd someone activated the burner phone which
00:48:38
had been purchased in November to set up a meeting with Lindsey boozy AK they took the ferry from Vancouver to
00:48:44
Victoria met with Lindsay at 1702 DeSousa place and killed her escaping and leaving almost no trace
00:48:53
Lindsay's murder resembled a targeted professional hit retribution or perhaps a message to be sent to someone this
00:49:04
huge drug bust was not immediately connected to Lindsay's murder until police and Saanich discovered that she
00:49:11
knew some of the people arrested in calgary and this connection even though very remote and uncertain has given rise
00:49:19
to a working theory publicly discussed by the Saanich police in Lindsay's case stating she was targeted and killed
00:49:28
based on a mistaken or deliberately misleading information that she was the informant the people busted in the drug
00:49:37
bust knew that there was a snitch somehow Lindsay's name got passed along to the higher-ups in the drug ring
00:49:44
saying that she was the rat perhaps they knew she had been in contact with Erickson's relative or the wrong person
00:49:53
had come across her name it's possible that cowardly lower-level drug ring members knew that Lindsay was
00:50:01
not the snitch but deliberately led others to believe so that she was and when they took care of
00:50:09
her they were seen as solving a big problem in getting retribution and of course it's possible that the real
00:50:18
informant gave the drug gang Lindsay's name in order to save their own ass quote what we can say is that people
00:50:28
lost a lot of money and the people that lost the drugs know that someone spoke to the police said sergeant Horsley
00:50:35
adding quote a witch-hunt occurred where people were being questioned people were
00:50:40
being pulled out of the beds in the middle of the night and asked who have you spoken to because
00:50:46
they know someone spoke to the police and quote police confirmed that Lindsay was not Lindsay was not the informant
00:50:56
right but believe that someone may have thought that she was they said that it was possible that Lindsay was believed
00:51:04
by her killers to have revealed information that she shouldn't have or to have heard information that was
00:51:11
damning to them somehow or that she was simply connected to a dangerous person without realizing it sergeant Horsley
00:51:19
said you can be a person who just works and Minds their own business in Victoria
00:51:25
yet through a very brief network of friends you could be absolutely connected to people that are involved in
00:51:33
very bad things interestingly enough it was also reported by the CBC news in June of 2010 that the police did not
00:51:43
believe that the couple who lured Lindsay to the house to be killed they did not believe that they lived in
00:51:50
Victoria making it even more unclear how someone got her name or singled her out
00:51:55
now in an attempt to grasp a better understanding of this very complicated involved theory we spoke at length with
00:52:03
author Gary Rogers Gary is a retired RCMP homicide detective and forensic coroner who is now a best-selling
00:52:13
investigative crime writer and a blogger with the Huff Post and on his own blog he has stated that a Mexican drug
00:52:23
trafficking cartel organization headed up by the infamous El Chapo operated a large distribution network out of
00:52:32
Calgary Canada members of one family headed up the local distribution arm the Beltran Le'Veon family the cartel took a
00:52:41
large monetary and security loss in what's called the Calgary high noon police operation the Calgary drug bust
00:52:50
as we discussed they lost 8 million dollars worth of coke and two of their operatives and then
00:52:57
twelve more were arrested after Lindsay's murder as a result of the High Noon bust the remaining mid to lower
00:53:03
level drug trafficking players in Victoria BC and Calgary and Alberta were now well over their heads with debt and
00:53:13
to the D TOS Western Canadian conduit they had lost a sixty seven kilos of cocaine they were compromised and their
00:53:23
backs were up against the wall and they sacrificed a Lindsay's life as a diversionary scapegoat in a damage
00:53:32
control Spira C Lindsay's hit was designed to send a message down the line to the distribution network that
00:53:39
snitches would not be tolerated and to send a message up the line to the cartel that the problem had been dealt with of
00:53:46
course we don't know who actually called for the hit on Lindsay or how she was singled out but we do know that she knew
00:53:56
a lot of people who were somehow connected to this drug trade just by virtue of living in Victoria and being
00:54:03
social and associating with people in that world like Matt Macduff and perhaps her reaching out to a family member of
00:54:11
Erickson delicas are triggered suspicions by someone in the network once it discovered that there was a
00:54:19
snitch and it spiraled from there and we should point out that Erickson was in fact in jail at the time of Lindsay's
00:54:26
murder one thing that I do want to discuss though captain is as far as Gary's upcoming book he is an even more
00:54:34
developed theory about who killed Lindsey and it all stems from what we just spoke about it's all tied to the
00:54:42
High Noon drug bust and the players involved one of the men charged in the High Noon
00:54:47
bust was Leo ro Jo Beltran he's a Mexican citizen with deep drug connections he was part of the family
00:54:56
that ran the cartels Canadian distribution arm and was very high up in the organization
00:55:01
he lived in Calgary his sister Mila ro Joe lived in barnaby near Coover one of the drug transport
00:55:11
vehicles used in the drug trafficking scheme was stationed at her home so she is very likely involved in all of this
00:55:19
now Milla had a very heavy Hispanic accent and she looks very similar to the police sketch of the woman who met with
00:55:28
Lindsay outside of the DeSousa Place residence with the right build short blonde hair and a profile similar to
00:55:38
that in the drawing leo is 6 foot tall the very light skin and a medium build these two fit the bill of Lindsey's
00:55:48
quote Mexicans perfectly mm-hmm Leo Beltran was arrested in the wake of the High Noon bust in December of 2008 he
00:55:58
was held for a year only on charges of possession of proceeds of a crime but on his file it noted specifically that he
00:56:08
was the specific target of another investigation we don't know what that is one has to wonder is this Lindsay's case
00:56:17
Leo was deported from Canada to the u.s. in 2010 and Mila left Canada as well they both moved to Southern California
00:56:27
lucky you California Gary believes Leo and Mila are Lindsay's killers why would Leo Beltran have thought that Lindsay
00:56:37
was the informant the short answer is we don't know neither do the police Gary also believes that it is possible that
00:56:46
Leo Beltran knew that Lindsay was not the snitch right this is scapegoat right that he believed that the cartel would
00:56:55
believe him when he said that he had taken care of the informant by killing her involved or not he was sending a
00:57:03
message that the problem was dealt with whoever did kill Lindsay they covered their tracks very very well no DNA no
00:57:12
weapon no fingerprints bloody footprints that didn't lead to anything a burner phone a vacant house sitting for more
00:57:21
than a year likely to have any other people around almost dark a quiet neighborhood and a
00:57:28
stealthy exit no one saw anything including a getaway car or bloody clothes Lindsay was lured to the house and
00:57:36
attacked from behind in an upstairs bedroom away from windows police came to the conclusion early on that Lindsay was
00:57:44
targeted in a professional hit and after 11 years they still believe that this was the case our recommended reading for
00:57:53
this week is dying words dotnet that is where you will find Gary Rogers blog and
00:57:59
information on this case he takes a deep deep dive into all of the angles and I recommend if you want to learn more you
00:58:08
can find a lot of that well all of that there the captain and I talked about this could have been a case that we
00:58:15
could have covered for several weeks it's a big case there's a lot of speculation just that big drug bust on
00:58:22
its own is a huge story yeah there's many layers of this onion and if you want to dive in a little bit further and
00:58:32
not just take our word for it you know this is where you want to go the other thing that the captain and I believe is
00:58:38
we agree with the statement that this appears to be a professional hit there's somebody for whatever reason wanted
00:58:46
Lindsay Busey AK dead what we also agree on is that if you could determine the motivations for that factor then you
00:58:56
very likely will find the road that will lead to the killer [Music] we want to thank you so much for
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