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this is something we've been wanting to do for a while I guess at least the entirety of 2020 as we've been putting
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together great shows and great cases for the whole year every one of them was great that was we took a vote and
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everybody confirmed every one of the shows was absolutely great but you and I are going to talk about the ones that we
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enjoyed the most yeah we put out a poll and everybody said every episode was number
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one tied for number one some would say it was the best year we ever had some would say that um so today we're going
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to each talk about our top five our five favorite shows of this last year of the
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great year that was 2020 I like to think that you know about 15 20 years from now when we're sitting
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around and we're all very old and we're sipping our beer maybe we're drinking it
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through a straw at that point that we're going to go hey you guys remember that year when we stayed inside and didn't go
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anywhere that was nice that was nice and football was completely weird the Buckeyes are looking for their sixth
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Victory here in December all right without further Ado uh I'm I'm assuming we gave Carlos the day off he's not here
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to count us down no he's not here we we got to get we had to lay people off because of because of the covid we got
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to talk to him and see if we can get him back in the garage for 2021 said he will not work for
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free all right Captain here is my number five for best of 2020 the responsible side of me said to
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go with the I70 killer because it's such a fascinating mystery where did the killer go why did he start abruptly and
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then stop abruptly but the Fanboy side of me went with our mind Hunter John Douglas episodes this
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would be episodes 445 and 446 from November from just last month of this year I went with this because it's no
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secret the colonel loves John Douglas I his books are fantastic I've been a fan of his career and everything that he has
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done and the interesting thing that we had with this year's episodes and this year's interview with him
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one we've been very lucky to interview John Douglas at all right I mean he is the top name in true crime in my opinion
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in this in this form of infotainment that we do yeah if not the top name at least in the top five of top names
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correct I mean we've talked to Paul holes he's fascinating he's he's considered one of the big names he's
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fascinating he's handsome he's very handsome that's right and he passionate about all the unsolved cases out there
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and I love hearing Paul talk about the deli case he's one of the top names we've met Nancy Grace top mom times she
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is is such a delightful person and Incredibly funny and Charming she's one of the top names but for me I think the
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top name is John Douglas so we've been lucky to interview him he spoke with us last year and last year it was like okay
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please stick to the book that's coming out that's the killer across the table and he doesn't do very many shows so
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when he did our little garage show and and then agreed to do it a second time I thought well either either we fooled him
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or he likes the garage so this time he just said or he's drunk Nick you guys come up with whatever you want to talk
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about right and so he walks into this interview no idea what random questions the colonel is gonna throw at and we
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talked about everything from uh the Zodiac to John Benet Ramsay to the West Memphis 3 I just peppered him with
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questions all these old cases cases that he worked as an FBI agent or cases that
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he worked as a consultant after he retired some cases he just looked into for the media's perspective yeah he only
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had one requirement was there there's no Captain I think he this table's not big
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enough for the both of us Captain he likes the captain but yeah I was just such a pleasure to have John Douglas on
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the show again and it was it just made my day made my whole week in fact to hear him say hey I'd like to come on
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again next year so we're hoping to have Mr Douglas the Mind Hunter on again next
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year in 2021 well I'm just just think about it all those years ago sitting in the hot garage laptop I think the laptop
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fan was going a million miles a minute sweat dripping down we had two mics but only one of them was nice if I
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would have told you after that episode hey guess what couple years from now you're going to interview John Douglas
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twice you would have been like you must be really drunk this episode I would have said I am you're a
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liar yeah so that's my number five there boys and girls mind Hunter John Douglas
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episodes 445 and 446 if you've not checked those out because some some people do not dig the interview shows I
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get that they want more of the storytelling with a new case if you have followed the Zodiac John Benet West
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Memphis 3 three I can't even think of all the cases we talked about we talked about so Hunter if you like Silence of
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the Lambs if you like red dragon that's right he gave us a little insight into the Mind Hunter season 3 as well uh so
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yeah thereof correct so check check that out uh if you enjoy any of those old cases my number five is I guess
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self-serving because the more I went over the list of shows for 2020 I kept on going back to the fact that the the
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Hi-Fi murders to me that might have been my best theme music all year so I had to
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put that on the list high five Murders episodes 402 and 403 and anybody with the Stitcher app that wants to go back
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and listen to some of these older ones they have the ability to do that if you don't have the Stitcher app you get it
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for free and check out these old episodes the Hi-Fi case is a very interesting one it's it's a spoiler
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alert if you've not listened it's a solved case but the police work the investigation is very interesting the
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the brutality of the crime is horrific yeah and really at the end of the day it was thought to be that it was just some
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goons that were looking to steal some very expensive stereo equipment and they're going to go in and Rob this
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stereo store take all of the the expensive equipment that they have but it turns ugly very very quickly it's a
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it's a horrific case thank God that it's solved but a very interesting one and it
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gives it it gives you the perspective of a very violent crime and a very thorough
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investigation that followed along with the the trials and such that took place that will bring me to my number four
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there Captain I went with Taylor Robinson this was a case that we were asked to be involved in to to shine a
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spotlight on this case Taylor Robinson was a 19-year-old Kent State student she was studying to be a nurse and worked as
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a home healthare Aid Taylor was known as a kind person who volunteered at church
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and wored with special needs children just a fantastic person somebody that we need we need more people like Taylor
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Robinson in this world one night in May of 2013 her mother dropped her off at work
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she was working at a house and she would stay overnight to watch a special needs
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child the mother of the child was at work and the next morning when Taylor's mom went to the house to pick her up
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Taylor wasn't there the mother of the child who arrived DED home shortly before yells at Taylor's mom because
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she's like you know where is your daughter she left my my child home alone all night long Taylor's mother explains
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that she dropped Taylor off that she was there she's as concerned as as the patient's mother is Taylor's coat and
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shoes were left at the house there's no sign of Taylor so immediately her mother
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and her family they know something terrible has happened and it wasn't until 4 months later that bones were
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found at the kyoga Valley National Park this is 15 miles away from where Taylor was working that night her clothing was
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found within a mile of her remains she was found in a heavily wooded area in a heavily wooded part of the park this is
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an area that would not be easily accessible by vehicle when we covered this case Captain we pretty much laid
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out for everyone what happened that night and without naming names we we were not given the ability by law
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enforcement to name names here in this particular case but they have pretty much narrowed it down to two people
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either one of these individuals was involved in her murder and more importantly the disposal of her remains
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because she would not have been easy to move to the location where she was found
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so they actually believe that two people were involved in the I hate to say this
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the cleanup of the murder itself and getting rid of Taylor's Body and we were asked to get involved in Spotlight this
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case it's one that's near and dear to my heart so I put it at number four on my list and as a reminder anybody in
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Northeast Ohio let me know if this came true because the rumor was last year when we covered it that soon they were
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going going to be putting up billboards with Taylor Robinson's face and her name
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and information on there to help bring more awareness to the cause and to her case her unsolved case one that is now
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what I would deem a cold case I don't know if that happened or not you know the 2020 has been wacky and wild so a
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lot of things have not come to fruition but if anybody's seen those Billboards please email me let me know I would love
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to know if those are up and just a quick reminder too if anybody has any information even if this is stuff you've
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been holding on to for years and and haven't been able to tell anybody we have a gentleman that you can reach out
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to Tim demoff he's with the uh sacs Consulting he's been working with Taylor's family to solve this case he
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can be reached at 33730 3524 or by email at T demoff atsc consulting.com all right number
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four on my list is Mara Murray the Julie Murray interview those that's episode 368 and
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369 and I think it's because well one it's the first long form interview that she's pretty much
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ever done and then the the family wanted to use the interview to put on their website for people that are looking into
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their sister their daughters their family members case Mara Murray being a girl that disappeared in 2004 her case
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has really become one of the most famous cases on the internet for people to dive
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into so I think the reason why I like it is the idea that we're adding to an investigation we're adding something to
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the TR True Crime Community it wasn't just our take on possibly what happened uh we were working with their family to
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get an interview where Julie would be able to talk openly about her sister and that kind of just gives you a better
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profile of the victim it was a fascinating interview and I know you and her go well kind of way back bit of
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friends so it was very interesting to listen in on what is an interview but also just generally a
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conversation and about Mara's case and some of it really cleared a few things up too I believe that were just things
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that were misconstrued over the years about Mara her personality her her characteristics and the case itself so
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it was a fascinating look and I think you're right I think it did very much add something to the True Crime
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landscape for that cas case in particular my number three captain we're moving right along here I went with jabz
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span this is a case that we covered in January episodes number 366 and 367 this case is eerily similar to
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Taylor Robinson's case that we covered in June of last year that was episode 406 and 407 if I failed to mention that
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earlier but jaz's case is eerily similar in a sense that police pretty much know
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who did this or or have a good idea of who was involved to the point where they have the names of these yahoos that
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committed this crime and we came under some fire because I I I must have said the word thugs about a thousand times
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during those episodes but I don't know if there's a better term to label people that that kill others in the streets and
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then abduct a child I mean we're talking about people that are out committing crimes constantly and then they're
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committing murders to cover up their other crimes and that's what these individuals are and the the Sarasota
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Police Department desperately needs help in jaz's case which also is very much involved with several other homicides
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that they have out there they've been able to close some other cases that are that are connected to jaz's case but
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they still need help we're talking about jabz our victim here he was 14 years old
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when he disappeared on Labor Day in 2017 he was last seen at a candlelight vigil
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in Sarasota just two blocks away from his home and a witness saw jabz with two other boys around 1 in the morning and
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he disappeared within an hour or two of that sighting it was January of 2020 when we covered it
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and that was roughly about a year since his skeletal remains were found he had been missing from his home since
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September of 2017 his his mom and grandmother and family were just destroyed and
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devastated by him having gone missing and then of course years later they find his remains and that was from a uh a
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press conference that took place in February of 2019 when the Sarasota police and the Manatee County Sheriff's
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Office reported that a man working a fence line in a rural part of Manatee County found the remains of of just
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14-year-old jabz span a a kid with a beautiful smile look he was a teenager he wasn't a saint neither was I when I
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was 14 years old but he had his whole life ahead of him and I think jabz would have went on to do some great things and
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this really stinks because it it's the murder of a child but also the murder to cover up other homicides and other
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crimes in a particularly bad area of what is a good Community what is a good area uh Sarasota Florida the police say
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that they are still asking for anyone who has any information again they know who did this they just need some
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evidence and they need to build cases against the these individuals that's right plural
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individuals you we need to get these people off of the streets because they're a danger to everyone in that
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Community they need people to come forward the reward money for information leading to an arrest in jaz's case I
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believe believe is up as high as $50,000 and people can submit tips anonymously to Crim Stoppers down there
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at 941366 8477 or you can reach out to the Sarasota Police Department just a word
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to the wise something we've talked about plenty of times on True Crime garage if
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you do have information and you are willing to come forward in any case at all if you call Crim Stoppers it's
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Anonymous to the point where you cannot even leave your name or any of your information they do not want it so if
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you want to be contacted if you want to be involved if you think that there's more help that you can provide at a
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later date a later time call the police department and make sure that you give the tip to them directly ask to speak
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with the detective involved the Sarasota Police Department in this case is the investigating agency their number is 941
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366 8000 I'm sure if you really wanted to leave your your information you'd be able to figure it out well good good
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luck I mean I've I've contacted Crim Stoppers in the past and I've insisted on leaving my information and they they
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will not take uh personal information no it's sad and uh 2021 cleaning house that's what we be doing if you're
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listening to a show and you and and individuals take a 14-year-old and kill him and dispose of his body
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because he witnessed the murder another murder so they murder him to cover up that murder we'll call those individuals
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whatever the [ __ ] we want to well and there's there's rumor too in some suggestion that they may have even held
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jabz for a period of time before before the homicide and before disposing of of the the body I I just I'm so tired you
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can't you just called them thugs well the captain probably called them pieces of [ __ ] too and and we won't get emails
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about that but we get some silly emails sometimes and you just think they killed
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a 14-year-old boy anded what label we give them you're worried about what label we gave the
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murderers interesting yeah that's where I say focus on the victims focus on the crime and let's uh let's do our part to
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help rather than just be speed bumps along the away but that was jaz's case and we covered that back in January of
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2020 interesting case it was one that that of course that we're passionate about and that's why it's on my list but
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also interesting from the perspective of yet another case where we worked with the private investigator this is an
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interesting case where the the the private investigator usually they work with the family with family members of
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victims in this case they worked for basically the community they worked with the family obviously but they worked
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with law enforcement and worked with the community as a whole and one thing that
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we were really pounding our fist on the table when we when we covered jaz's case
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is that is what this case is it's a crime against that Community against that family against jabz of course but
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in this case very very much a crime against the community as a whole all right my number three is a series we did
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called Shaker Heights again pat on the back because it was a excellent theme song excellent and
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if people don't know uh go back and listen uh to that theme and and listen for the Shaker the
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Shaker that's the best part the rump sha listen for the rump Shaka I think it's because it was different I think the
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case is very fascinating obviously it's not solved in some people's eyes solved in other people's eyes but I think it
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was just working with with everybody from uh Bob Ruff to Tim from the missing Mara Murray working with Maggie James
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rener a bunch of other True Crime people just to try something different we had the transcripts of these interviews that
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took place and we tried to lay out the story in a different manner than we normally do and also just let the
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transcripts speak for themselves we didn't go hey this is what we think you should think U which a lot of people at
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the end went wait wait a second I'm used to you telling me what you think you forgot to do this in that
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Series so um some people have people have requested you know that we cover the case our typical way our normal form
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but I think it was just I mean it was a very long process between recording the other people and then editing those all
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together and tweaking everybody's vocals to try to make them sound similar to little sound effects if if you listen
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closely you'll hear like fax machines and stuff going off in the background during uh some of the interviews or the
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interrogation so if just kind of a different project and it was definitely a different project it was kind of like
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a I mean it was a radio drama of how a case a real life case unfolded and one thing that I think is
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unique and we'll take everybody behind the curtain here for a little bit but obviously it was it was fun for us
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because we got to work with a lot of the friends that we've made along the way in
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our true crime podcasting Adventure here but we started working on that that show
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the actual production of Shaker Heights which was six episodes that came out in February but we started working on that
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in our free time in our extra time after already working on our each case week after week in October of 2019 so it was
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very much a long process for the colonel and the captain but it was fun along the
00:28:25
way and it was um we had to have a little party a little Twan garage party when it was finally completed because it
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the good time let the good times roll let the good times roll let the good times roll in 2020 cheers to you Captain
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to you my friend number two we are just blazing right through our list blazing through all of 2020 burning that bridge
00:32:07
right that gives us number two on the Colonel's list I went with the Evans Dale murders this was episodes
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330 I'm sorry 393 and 394 back in April this was the case of cousins lyric cook 10 years old and Elizabeth Collins
00:32:30
eight years old they were riding their bikes on a Friday afternoon in July of 2012 their
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grandmother is believed to be the last one or one of the last people to have seen the young girls on that day and
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this would have been around 12:20 p.m. in the afternoon they went off riding their bikes near Meyers Lake in
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Evansdale Iowa where they they were seen for the last time 5 months later their bodies were recovered at Seven Bridges
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Park 25 miles away from the abduction site and to this day the killer their killer or Killers remain at large this
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made it on to my list Captain because it had all of the elements that I think it
00:33:22
takes to one cover a case in its most thorough in our most thorough ability but also a case that has enough meat on
00:33:33
the bone that that you can you can start to formulate theories and suspects and speculation in your own mind this is a
00:33:43
perfect armchair detective case we we laid out the mapping of where they would have been at the abduction time we also
00:33:53
laid out possibilities of who could be in involved or the type of person that would be involved or who had the ability
00:34:02
to abduct two girls at that time of day in that area and we went through the offender profile of the of the believed
00:34:12
offender and so this is a case that again still unsolved after we covered it you know we
00:34:20
covered it in April don't know if we got to this on off the Record or not for those of you unfamiliar with off the
00:34:27
Record if there's an update on a case if if we get some new information on a case
00:34:32
that's generally where we put that new information so one one thing that I when I first got into True Crime be it on TV
00:34:42
or podcast one thing that I didn't like is rarely not most shows did never they never went and Revisited a case even
00:34:51
years after the fact and when when the captain and I said we were going to do True Crime we saidou know what we're
00:34:58
going to cover these cases we're going to try to go more in depth than most shows and we're going to try to bring
00:35:03
you some tidbit of information that you may not hear anywhere else but it's true
00:35:08
and factual and it's important to the case but we're going to take it a step further and when we have new information
00:35:14
we're going to make sure that we bring it back to the audience and remind them hey this case is still unsolved but
00:35:21
here's a little new nugget that just came out be it from the area the media or law enforcement themselves after we
00:35:29
covered it and I don't I'm not there's no belief that it's because we covered it but it doesn't hurt that we helped
00:35:35
shine a light on this unsolved case double homicide that in July of 2020 they were interviewing family about the
00:35:43
case and this is uplifting to hear one of the family members said I think that it will be solved soon now of course
00:35:51
we're sitting here five months later and we know that it is yet to be solved but
00:35:56
that should still be uplifting and optimistic for everybody out there because a lot of times in some of these
00:36:04
cases we hear family members or people in the community going yeah I don't think the police have a clue or yeah I
00:36:12
think they stopped working this case I can't believe they haven't solved it that's not what they're saying here in
00:36:18
this Evansdale case we have positive thinking we have positive uh response and saying I think it will be solved
00:36:28
soon I'm hoping it will be it was interesting too because so many people have tied this case I don't know if
00:36:35
they're connected or not but we did certainly talk about the possibility a lot of people have tied this case
00:36:41
because it has some similarities to the deli murders case so it was it was perfect and we didn't really plan this
00:36:49
out genius as people think we might be or geni or as dumb as people think we might be um I don't think we planned
00:36:58
this out but it was It was kind of perfect that we followed up the Evansdale murders our coverage of their
00:37:06
case the following week we did the deli murders discussion episode uh because there was a lot of rumors and stuff in
00:37:14
the deli case and a quick little reminder for again Evansdale case anyone with information still unsolved you can
00:37:23
email our missing girls at dps.com it's not easy to put these lists together right it's not easy to take a
00:37:47
look back on a whole year and just narrow it down to five shows I thought the the Leo Kenny case was very
00:37:55
fascinating I thought our interview with Bob Ruff about West Memphis 3 was really
00:38:01
good but also I think it sometimes for us when when it's looking back it could be as simple as well I I
00:38:10
like the work I did on that show our list would be very skewed compared to a listener list yeah yeah the listener
00:38:19
list well that's why people can hop on the blog and type up your your favorite five for the year so we can there's like
00:38:27
thousands of people right now going this is the dumbest list of 2020 I've ever heard the stick around it's about get D
00:38:38
this is not this this is my top and you know what who cares this is this is my list and you got your list and I I'm not
00:38:46
going to lie to you Captain I was beating myself up pretty bad I was like I was going through all of 2020 trying
00:38:54
to make the hard decisions trying to narrow it down to five but then I had to remind myself I'm like you know what
00:38:59
this is just my list the captain is going to have his own list and I was actually hoping that you would have
00:39:06
different cases than what I had so that it would it automatically expands it to 10 for for all of us so so far uh
00:39:17
without comparison we we did not sit down in advance and compare list here we I have no idea what the captain's going
00:39:23
to say as usual um so so far we've we've not hit on any of the same cases what was your no bumpy bumpy
00:39:34
flicky flick what was your number two Captain number two and this is um this is the moment when I realized last night
00:39:42
when I was going over to my list and double-checking it is I I think I I used to say I didn't care so much for Gore I
00:39:54
don't think that's true anymore and I don't know if that's I maybe that's how it's always been it's never really
00:40:00
bothered me to talk about like somebody could talk about a severed head and I I go okay there and I think it's because I
00:40:09
don't picture it I'm just in the conversation so I think some people when they start talking about his hand was
00:40:17
cut off or whatever I don't picture it so it doesn't bother me so much where other people will hear graphic natured
00:40:27
cases and uh it turns them off and and some people can't listen to that and I respect that if that's not your thing so
00:40:36
number two is the ice box murders episode 443 and 444 those are recent episodes that we just did but it it's
00:40:49
very graphic but there's also a lot of twists and turns yes it's a fascinating case and again it's another one of those
00:40:57
cases where it's technically unsolved but police are pretty certain who they believe did the double homicide
00:41:07
and then fled the area afterward but yeah it's a it's a fascinating case and some people have really put forward some
00:41:15
interesting theories and speculation in that case which leads you to some other Mysteries um Big Time Mysteries we
00:41:24
should well and I think this is the one where you were saying if if somebody's eating and it's like look if you turned
00:41:31
on a True Crime podcast while you're eating that's on you right you made that decision I can't
00:41:42
put that on anymore we've done 400 and some episodes you kind of know what you're going to get so if you if you got
00:41:48
that turkey on rye put it into your mouth don't blame me yes my number one is and this is simply because one I
00:42:01
think the episodes themselves were were good and great and put together very well the storytelling Pat myself on the
00:42:08
back I thought I did a great job Captain was fantastic but more so it's about the
00:42:13
mystery this is a big- Time Mystery for me this is one that keeps me up at night
00:42:19
and when we dove into this case I couldn't shake it for weeks and weeks and weeks I'm talking about the Lo cruus
00:42:27
bowling alley Massacre which occurred in Los cruus New Mexico on February 10th of
00:42:33
1990 seven people were shot four were shot fatally by two unidentified robbers at the Los cruus bowling alley which is
00:42:45
on East Amador Avenue after they shot the victims robbed the place they set the building on fire well attempted to
00:42:53
burn down the entire building but started the fire in the office where they shot the victims prior to the two
00:43:01
robbers leaving the building now these guys were spotted by several people so we have a good description of of what
00:43:10
the the offenders what the murders look like but here we are 30 years later and it's still unsolved now this was a case
00:43:20
that we covered in it was on June 30th and July 1st and it was episode 4 49 and 410 Unsolved Mysteries and I'm talking
00:43:30
not the Netflix version I'm talking the original version with with the the king of True Crime TV Robert Stack you know
00:43:39
they covered this case way back when and what was very interesting was they covered it a in a very short four or
00:43:46
five minute segment and it was simply because the case had just happened in February and I think they released it
00:43:54
like April the the first week of April of that same year and it was really just Unsolved Mysteries was a Big Show at the
00:44:02
time lots of ratings reaching out to everyone across the United States and even Beyond and they were really just
00:44:09
trying to find the individuals that did this so Unsolved Mysteries put together a short segment about the crimes
00:44:15
themselves and as as cheesy as some of those reenactments can be on different shows and they were a little cheesy on
00:44:24
the Unsolved Mysteries one it was still horrific to watch I mean it was it this was a case that just shook me to the
00:44:32
core and so for that reason and many other reasons that's why it's my number one but I was thinking about this after
00:44:40
I put my list together and we talk about Unsolved Mysteries Netflix has done two
00:44:45
seasons I need to get caught up Captain I haven't watched any of the I think it might be like a season and a half okay I
00:44:52
don't know if I haven't got to technically two yeah I haven't got to summon what they're calling the volume
00:44:58
two I guess I haven't got to some of the stories yet in volume two but I think that this would be a fascinating case
00:45:05
for Unsolved Mysteries Netflix to cover like like I said Unsolved Mysteries covered this in just a short four or
00:45:12
five minute segment back in the day this is a case that you could do long form they could do one of their 45 minute or
00:45:20
hour long segments on this case there are some very interesting theories and speculation as said the offenders were
00:45:30
seen by several people well this is also not a hugely popular case and what's been good about the new Unsolved
00:45:38
Mysteries is they've been covering cases that haven't been covered a hundred times by other sources that's correct so
00:45:46
for them to go back to uh something that they tried to shine light on so many years ago and then to revisit it again a
00:45:55
cas that's not brought up by a hundred different sources yeah so my number one for 2020 I'm going to go with Los cruus
00:46:03
bowling alley Massacre yeah a lot of people in that case uh a lot of people from that area wrote into us to let us
00:46:12
know some different local theories and a lot of people believe that the owner got
00:46:18
into some he was kind of like famously known for gambling so the community I think kind of just chocked it up to the
00:46:28
idea that well this guy was a massive Gambler and he probably didn't pay somebody and this is their revenge or
00:46:36
the drugs were at the heart of it we had the weird situation where the owner the
00:46:40
bowling alley owner's son was involved with some shady characters and involved with drugs himself so there's some very
00:46:49
interesting theories very plausible theories as well one thing we did and one thing that I was pretty proud of in
00:46:56
our coverage of Los Cruz's Bowl was I I can't say that we definitively linked the bowling alley Massacre to another
00:47:06
crime but we linked it to another crime that there's a lot of similarities and there's a lot of Reason to Believe
00:47:13
whoever committed this previous crime was involved in in the later crime at the Los cruus Bowl yeah I think it's
00:47:21
interesting with these towns where a big crime takes place like the Pike County murders we we're pretty close to
00:47:33
Adam's County and a lot of my friends that lived down there and I I used to work down there but it's interesting to
00:47:41
have such a horrific crime happen and that the the community around the crime comes up with multiple possible
00:47:52
solutions or possible I guess the way possible storylines of of why it played out uh the way it did and how it
00:48:03
played out the way it did and then they can almost move on but until they do that cuz like I said a lot of friends
00:48:11
from that area I had PE friends that could not stop talking about it but once they came up with their own Theory it
00:48:17
was like old news to them MH then obviously later the truth comes out and it was none of the theories that they
00:48:24
were bringing to my attention but it's almost like they had to be able to wrap their head around it before they
00:48:30
could move on with their own lives and I think that's what I saw by getting so many emails the the emails that we got
00:48:37
from the local people were fascinating because there's also theories on where these two individuals may have gone
00:48:44
after committing this crime because we have the descriptions of them their faces were plastered everywhere in that
00:48:51
area so it's very hard to believe that they would be able to stick around and remain in the area and then still go
00:48:59
undetected all right best of 2020 let's go over the list real quick how about you go over yours real quick
00:49:08
okay so mine were in order from from five down to one number five mind Hunter John Douglas episodes 445 and 446 Taylor
00:49:20
Robinson is my number four from June of 2020 episode 4 406 and 407 jabz span from January episodes 366 and
00:49:33
367 and then at number two I had the Evansdale murders this is the double homicide we covered it in April episode
00:49:42
393 394 and my number one was the Los cruus bowling alley Massacre from episodes 409
00:49:51
and 410 all right number five for me was high-f five murders episode 402 and 403 number four was Mara Murray
00:50:01
interview with Julie Murray episode 368 and 369 number three Shaker Heights series I don't know what that is off the
00:50:12
top of my head I know we did we put that out in February if you just go and search Shaker Heights True Crime garage
00:50:19
it pops up number two the ice box Murders episodes 4 443 and 444 number one and this is how I know
00:50:32
it's number one of best of 2020 best of 2020 I have M Hunter so it's the only episode that repeats on our top
00:50:46
five list yes it's number five for you it's number one for me but because there's a crossover that means it's
00:50:53
number one there we go it's settled T20 but for me because I wasn't even really a part of the episode I mean I did the
00:51:00
intros and the outros and I probably read the the commercials or whatever I got a nice email the guy said you're
00:51:08
really good when you just read the commercials you dumb dumb I he goes no no I got another one that says I really
00:51:16
like when you sit there and you shut your mouth and then you read the commercials you dumb Dum I was like oh I
00:51:24
love you too haters is going to hate but yeah mind Hunter and I think because one
00:51:29
I had to edit the interview and so normally you start cutting out the US and the you know
00:51:37
weird noises that people make and John makes a lot of them but cuz there's so much information in his head that he's
00:51:43
sifting through and I think I edited like two or three minutes and then I went back and listened to it and it made
00:51:53
absolutely no sense and all I was editing out was us and uh you know noises really so then I just went he this
00:52:04
doesn't make any sense I just have to kind of keep it the way it is but what I thought was so cool being a part of the
00:52:11
show and and starting the show years ago in your garage and and sweating and sweat dripping on notes I remember one
00:52:20
time looking down at my notes but I couldn't read them cuz the sweat made the ink smear everywhere the old hot
00:52:30
garage but I think uh with all this time passing and so many years of doing this
00:52:36
show there's multiple times in the episode again where John Douglas is sifting through tons of information
00:52:47
thousands and thousands of cases he's covered or read about or just maybe had to talk about in an interview and
00:52:54
sometimes when he gets stuck on a name he would defer to you Nick what's the guy's
00:53:02
name and again something so small but by like the third time he did it you realize well this guy is um having a
00:53:17
conversation with the crispiest of the colonels he's having a conversation eye to eye if that makes any sense and he
00:53:26
was deferring to you and to think about where we started and the the hours that we have spent talking about crime to
00:53:37
hear somebody like John Douglas basically talking to you as if you guys were equals it was neat to experience it
00:53:45
was almost like watching your buddy go take batting practice at like wriggly field or something and and hit in a home
00:53:54
run or something while why they're doing a batting practice and maybe I enjoyed it too because I wasn't on the episode
00:54:01
well I think some things that were so great about just that conversation with John first off I did have somebody
00:54:08
approach me and they said um John Douglas that that guy yeah he's fascinating but he he says uh uh uh a
00:54:16
lot and I I said I had to inform the person they said well you do understand Mr Douglas is not a TV personality he's
00:54:25
not someone who spent his life studying broadcasting or someone who is on TV week after week he's a real life FBI
00:54:35
agent who's now retired and he's willing to talk about his career and cases that
00:54:41
he has actually worked and so when you hear those us I liken it to you know when we were little kids Captain people
00:54:50
had these encyclopedia britanica where you had volume after volume and if you looked at it on a bookshelf it usually
00:54:59
took up the entire shelf and you would have a a volume for a all the way through to Z and then there was a a book
00:55:06
full of maps and and geography and other things so we're talking 30 books big in
00:55:13
the collection and it covered darn near everything you could think of I think of
00:55:19
John Douglas as a walking real life crime iny cedia and those you are hearing that's him
00:55:29
mentally verbally flipping through the pages in his mind of cases that he's worked and you have to keep in mind too
00:55:37
there's probably a lot of stuff along the way that he's not allowed to talk about but he witnessed it he saw it he
00:55:45
experienced it he worked it and he has to remind himself when he goes through some of those cases of the things he can
00:55:52
and cannot say so that's him kind of sifting it out in real life in real time yeah John Douglas is has square and he
00:56:00
smells better better than old books but yeah he's kind of like a walking encyclopedia my my family was so poor
00:56:08
that you would have to make payments so we had a and b but we never got past that so it we had encyclopedia a and
00:56:18
then B and then we stopped making the payments and so every time uh we had to do a report I tried to pick a subject
00:56:26
that was a or b yeah well in so if you have any questions and the the question involves anything that starts with the
00:56:34
letter A or B Captain is your go-to guy anything after that forget about it forget about it I'm I'm a walking two
00:56:44
book Encyclopedia set well and the other thing I want to the other thing I want to point out too with with that
00:56:51
interview with with John Douglas that maybe well not maybe but people wouldn't know this we did not supply him any
00:57:01
questions in advance he he didn't yeah this is off the top yeah he didn't ask for any questions in advance some
00:57:07
sometimes the interviews we do they want questions in advance or they say this is
00:57:12
the topic and the only topic that we can talk about no when we talked to John Douglas this last time he said ask me
00:57:19
anything about anything so he walked into that completely blind completely unprepared to know what questions we
00:57:26
were going to talk about what cases we were going to talk about and just fascinating the the answers that he
00:57:34
supplied to to us and the listeners out there but yeah good list I want to thank
00:57:39
everybody for supporting us this year and look sometimes we make mistakes during the episodes sometimes we're not
00:57:51
on our game right and and I don't mind when people call us out for that I don't mind people sending emails saying hey
00:58:00
you said this and and that term is bad towards this group of individuals right I don't have any I don't have any
00:58:09
problem with people pointing out areas where I can learn and to grow and I think that's one of the reasons why
00:58:18
we've been doing this so many years is I feel like we continue to grow and we continue to get better
00:58:25
we're always trying to fight the good fight for the victims of the case yeah bringing awareness to unsolved cases and
00:58:33
keeping these stories alive and keeping them in the in the thoughts of everyone out there and you can do your part by
00:58:41
like the captain says not just listening but telling a friend telling someone else hey maybe it's not telling them hey
00:58:48
I love the garage hey I love True Crime garage check out this show but maybe it's hey did you know this un Sol murder
00:58:55
or this cold case took place here in in our state or our hometown and it was years ago that that helps as well
00:59:04
keeping the cases alive that's what we're hoping to do and bring a little bit of an entertainment along the way so
00:59:13
your list Captain fascinating my list even better but um go to True Crim garage.com let us know what your
00:59:22
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