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captain yeah some people keep asking me uh who did the music on that one it's the captain it's still the captain
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that's my job well that's enough of the business let's get to the trailer everybody gather around grab a chair
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grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime [Applause] where we at didn't realize there was
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anybody else out there first we were just like I said goof and KN uh and uh we come up on or didn't really come up
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on and we noticed there were people on the track so the flashlight come on and then go back off they weren't looking in
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our Direction but we could see the light and so we kind of quieted down and snuck
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up a little bit closer to see what was going on and there was five individuals uh standing on the tracks one thing that
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struck my curiosity is uh at the time my mother was dating uh an attorney named Dan Dan Harmon I know him well enough to
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recognize him there were two more individuals that uh few minutes after we got there uh we walking down the
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railroad tracks that had a rifle uh and it looked to be a flashlight they were more or less kind of minding their own
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business uh and when they realized someone else was on the track they stopped and it was fixing to turn
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around when someone or Danny motioned for him to come closer over to where they were uh
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they hesitated and eventually ended up walking on towards the rest of the group while my head was turned I heard a
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well it sounded like a gunshot soft flash as you would expect with a gunshot at night we were pretty much terrified
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and boed and R other Witnesses corroborated that [Music] evidence this is part two of the boys on
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the tracks case Captain should we do a little recap last time on true CR Garage in the early morning hours of August
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23rd 1987 this is in Bryant Arkansas two boys were laying motionless on the train
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tracks and they were passed over by the train the investigation of their deaths falls into the jurisdiction of the
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Saline County Sheriff's office now that investigation has been called botched at
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best and where it picks up from there the medical examiner this is Fami Malik he takes over the case and he has to
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investigate his ruling on the cause of the boy deaths he's going to claim that the boys were high on marijuana and they
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passed out on the train tracks then the train came and ran the boys over and that's the cause of death ruling it an
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accidental death you're exactly correct exactly so the parents of the two boys are obviously dissatisfied with the
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sheriff's investigation as well as the medical examiner's findings so they schedule a press conference and it's
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after this press conference that a grand jury is established and the grand jury decides that they review the they review
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the evidence and they decide that the cause of death might not be accidental that it's a possible homicide and
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they're going to call for a second autopsy after the grand jury successfully got the latest autopsy this
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was conducted by well-renowned pathologist Dr Burton now remember he was from out of state he was actually
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from Atlanta because they they needed not only fresh eyes on this but they needed someone that would not have
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connections locally or at the state level but also at the time Atlanta and Dr Burton had access to better
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technology this is going to change their findings of the death not being accidental but by being murdered yes
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let's let's say correcting right because they they just got it wrong from the beginning so from a possible homicide to
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a definite homicide and because the grand jury and the change in the correcting of the rulings of death the
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investigation was then transferred to the jur jurisdiction of the Arkansas State Police I say that because it's not
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only important to the telling of this story but in today's episode we will be reviewing some statements that have been
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taken from the Arkansas state police files from their investigation into the murders of 16-year-old Don Henry and
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17-year-old Kevin Ives this new investigation team has uphill battle because from the get-go it should have
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been investigated as a homicide but it wasn't and then didn't do their due diligence and it was just investigated
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as a traffic death correct and we even discussed items that they failed to collect at the scene that may have had
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value towards pointing towards any kind of of evidence and before we get to the timeline we need to kind of discuss what
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was going on in the drug community in this town cocaine and Other Drugs were flowing into the city of Little Rock
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Arkansas and the smaller communities that surrounded it as well uh this is coming from Central America America via
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the freeways that connected Miami Los Angeles and Dallas but they were coming in by all forms of transportation by the
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time of 1987 the movers would Place cocaine on trains and it would be dropped at
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designated drop spots this was also coming in by airplane as well and not too far from the tracks where the boys
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were found there's an airport called the Mena airport and this was known by many
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to be trafficking drugs planes were landing near near the airport under the cover of night without using their
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lights they were Landing sitting briefly and taking off again without cutting off
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their engines MH the state police was aware that this was going on so to combat this they started parking
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Vehicles near the airport well the airplane started adjusting what they were doing they picked out different
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locations and now rather than Landing they were just kind of buzzing the fields getting real low about 100t off
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the ground and D dropping things from the planes obviously we have Kevin Ives and we have Don Henry those are the two
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boys that were found on the tracks but now let's get into some of the other key players yes the first person that we
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will introduce is a man by the name of Jeff rhods he's a young man that was interviewed by investigator Don Birdsong
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and this is from the state police files birdsong's report this is with an interview with a young man that bird
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song does not identify in his notes but his notes state that the Wednesday before the boys were killed someone had
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contacted this man looking to buy an ounce of cocaine this being possibly RADS the buyer this guy was unable to
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obtain the cocaine so he contacted Don Henry Don and Kevin met with the buyer and they said that they could get Coke
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from Don's connections now this connection is not mentioned as well well and mind you that Don Henry was 16 years
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old at this time in another interview with the State Police this is with Don Henry's sister Gayla Gayla stated that
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Don had been at the home of a alleged drug dealer to purchase marijuana on the Thursday or Friday before he was killed
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MH she had also heard Don say that he knew quote the ultimate dealer unquote he didn't give a name to this person but
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he said that the dealer worked out of Little Rock Arkansas well we have evidence that the boys were smoking pot
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so they got to get that from somebody M I've been on pot runs mhm right so you go into the house just because the guy
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sells maybe all he does is sell pot but he might sell other things and another statement this is from Chris Ballard who
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was at one time married to Don's sister he says that he saw Don on the Thursday before Don's death Don said that he was
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going to steal some cocaine Chris also said that Don had mentioned something about this Tim guy working out of Little
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Rock Arkansas in one of the investigators notes this is investigator Don bird song these were entered into
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the file in the summer of 1989 and this is in regards to a conversation with a confidential informant stating that Don
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and Kevin had overheard a phone call between the dealer and an unidentified individual about a large drug drop near
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the area of the train tracks sergeant Barney Phillips interviewed a friend of Don and Kevin's and said that the night
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that they had died he was at a party at a mobile home and the two of them dropped by before leaving this party he
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said that they had told him that they were going to go get some cocaine so they could sell it and make a bunch of
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money now let's introduce Keith Cony Keith Cony is a young man he's a an acquaintance of Don and Kevin Keith's
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mother Betty Alexander reported to a drug task force officer that her son had told her that he knew something about
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the IES and Henry deaths but he wouldn't explain to her what Now Keith would go on and tell his father and some of his
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friends that he had been out that night with well andless you know not to interrupt but he was pretty close with
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his mother mhm he was afraid to tell her correct yes like like severely afraid but in a moment and he I think he was
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afraid to tell his father as well mhm wasn't like he just came out with this information old willy-nilly no he wasn't
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just running around town telling anybody that would listen uh this was something
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that he was it was burning inside of him but he was afraid to talk about it but I
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also think possibly you know having been in that father role that if if my son you know my stepson would have said I
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know something but I don't want to tell you I would have made him tell me you know because because I can't I can't try
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to protect you if I don't I don't know what you know yeah yeah well Keith had told his father and he had told some
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friends that he had been out that night with Don and Kevin this being the night of their deaths and he stated that they
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were out near sh Road uh where they were approached by two police officers in a vehicle okay now at this time Keith is
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on his motorcycle at this point and he states that he fled the scene and he believed that the boys were attacked and
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possibly killed by those two police officers so so he saw them being attacked and he fled the attack yeah he
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was he was hanging out with the two boys and as the officers approached he he took off he got out of there months
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after having telling his father about the story involving the Police Keith con's mother Betty Alexander she's at
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the local prison visiting her other son Eugene con now while she's there she meets a man by the name of Mike crook
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Mike crook is a former former manager of GG's which is a nightclub on the county
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line Mike had told Betty about a G's customer who frequented the club and an incident that the customer had said he
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had seen at a small grocery store near shrob Road this is located in the general area of the train tracks where
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the boys were found on the night of their deaths he was parked at the store close to the railroad tracks waiting for
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his wife that's what this statement says there's actually another statement that
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says he believed that his wife was was running around on him so he had parked there hoping to catch her in the act of
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being with a boyfriend or being with another man could you imagine just sitting out in a parked dark car waiting
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for your significant other to possibly be with somebody else I wouldn't waste my time yeah I think that's that's good
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advice I wouldn't waste my time well while the man is there and crook will refer to this man as Jerry and he says
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that Jerry saw three teenagers one of them was on a motorcycle and then he saw two officers arrive at the scene
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these boys were there smoking pot is what he believed that they were doing so one could assume that that is Keith
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Cooney on his motorcycle mhm and that is also Don and Kevin and they're all kind
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of hanging out smoking a little pot yes yes crook would say that Jerry does not identify the boys by name but he did in
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telling crook this story he did say I believe that two of those boys could have been the boys that were found that
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night well right but this is just proving that his story makes a lot of sense with Keith's story mhm Jerry then
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sees what he believes to be a police car pull-up and at this time he says that one of the boys hops on the motorcycle
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and takes off now some kind of interaction goes badly between these police officers and the two remaining
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boys and he sees that an altercation breaks out and during the course of this he basically says that he sees the
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police officers beating the [ __ ] out of the remaining two boys and afterwards they throw the kids into the back of the
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patrol car the man Jerry he tells crook this story back at GG's Nightclub at some point and after discussing the
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story crook tells him you know what that's probably you're probably right those are probably the two boys that
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were found that night and you really should report this now Jerry was a little hesitant to do so because he saw
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police officers what he believed to be police officers you know abusing some citizens right
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right and so he convinces Jerry to report this Jerry does go and report this situation to the Sheriff's Office
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uh Jerry is immediately thrown in jail uh he's thrown in jail for back child support and they keep him in jail for
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the mandatory sentence of 90 days that he was to serve after the 90 days this Jerry person immediately leaves town now
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why do we keep referring to him as Jerry well it's because Crook in the statement
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refused to name the guy right just stating that his name was Jerry and he looked he looked kind of Mexican was the
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best description that he would give about regarding Jerry yeah well I think his real name was sketchy Jerry well
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we're going to follow that up with another statement and this is from a man named Ronnie Godwin now Ronnie Godwin
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according to his statement he had been at GG's nightclub uh for about three or 4 hours the night that the boys had
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passed away this is a happening place he said that he had had seven or eight beers there before he left and he left
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around midnight uh when he was driving home he was driving down Highway 5 he turned down County Line Road uh and then
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he turned right on to 111 as he approached shrobe Road he saw an unmarked police car he said it was
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either tan or gray but it had three antennas police hubc caps and spotlights on it uh instead of turning right on the
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shrob road toward his home wait hold on which could be like a detective car yes you know CU a lot of times like we we
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live in a pretty small town and when you see well well I do you live north but um
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you grew up here and you know you see these cars you have your the police cruisers mhm and then sometimes you have
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the sheriff cars or you have like maybe a chief of police car but then you also have these detective cars mhm they're
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pretty easy to spot tinted windows a bunch of antennas yeah well after seeing the vehicle he decided to go straight to
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avoid being noticed instead of turning towards going to his home he had been drinking obviously that night he said
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seven or eight beers and he was concerned that he was going to get another DWI had they spotted him he
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would eventually Park his car and shut off his lights but when he was near shrob Road dark Cano he saw two cops
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with two boys uh his first thought was that the police may have caught some boys trying to
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break into the store that was in the area one of the boys was described as being taller than the other and more
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heavy set and this boy had light colored hair uh this boy had been shoved up against the phone booth by a larger cop
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we can assume at this point the teenager that they're pushing up against this pole would be Don Henry mhm he during
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this altercation he believes that he sees one of the teenagers being hit with something in the head and this was near
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a phone booth so he wasn't certain if it would have been the receiver from the phone uh that would would have been from
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the phone booth or if it would have been a larger item it's you know it's dark out he's got his lights off uh but he
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sees the one boy being hit in the head and remember in the autopsy was the whole skull fractures and he also says
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that he did not believe or did not see the boys to be resisting in any form that that these guys were just going
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after these kids right these guys were just getting their ass kicked mhm the second boy he saw uh there was an
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officer standing over the other teenage boy who was kneeling and on the ground but he had his head down and he couldn't
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really make out whom the kid was after this all took place he said that he saw the two officers throw the boys into the
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back seat of their vehicle he then sees one of the officers grab what he believes to be a rifle and throw it into
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the car as well the officers then get into the vehicle and they take off he says that they make a turn and he
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noticed that they went onto a road that that is a dead end uh he lost track of their lights so at some point he
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believes that they may have turned off to the left he was obviously concerned about this situation uh and a bit scared
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but he's still also watching out for himself he's still worried about that possible DWI right and so he decides
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that since nobody noticed him there he knew that these officers would have to turn around at some point because it was
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a dead end and he was worried that they could come out at any second so he decided to still lay low there and he
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said it's probably about 15 or 20 minutes went by before he sees the vehicle drive by again he did not notice
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if the boys were still in the vehicle at this point Ronnie Goodwin estimated that
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all this took place around 2 or 2:30 a.m. then that night the night that the boys were found on the tracks right now
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this is interesting here Captain we have a couple of stories that seem to be lining up with one another we have we
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have their friend Keith Cooney who states that he left because police officers drove up scared him off and he
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believed that there something happened between the police officers and the and the boys yeah at least a confrontation
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mhm so we have that story then we have the unknown Jerry person mhm and then we have this Ron Goodwin come forward Shady
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Jerry yeah yeah well the thing here is the state the state police officers uh during their investigation they believed
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because this Ronnie Goodwin story was so similar to the story of this unknown Jerry person that get his name right
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that had moved out of the area they believe that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin were one of the same and the thing here
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is when they approached Crook and and they asked him you know here here's the guy that we believe this Jerry person is
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can you confirm this or deny it he States very matter of factly this is not the person that I'm talking about this
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is I I still refuse to give his name but this is not the person that that I was describing and a sense it's almost like
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they're trying to minimize the idea that there was police officers involved you know I mean like well we got three
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stories right now that they all kind of line up but uh we're we're thinking that
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you know guy a and Guy C are the same so really only have two stories that line up or possibly it could be the exact
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opposite though maybe they're trying to corroborate this Godwin story right and and and and just go to him and say okay
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now we know you told somebody else about this and we believe you even more um I mean it really could go either way which
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does make some sense because he was coming from the bar mhm so that would you know put two and two together yeah
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there there's a lot of things that line up there but there's probably more than one person leaving that bar that night
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correct yeah well now we have three stories so let's get to the fourth story this is going to come to us by Tom new
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house not to be confused by Tom oldhouse but this is the guy that was hiding in the bushes Tom new house is not
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introduced into this whole thing until around 1993 this is when a friend of Kevin IES
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reaches out to Linda and he says that he knows a boy that's now 18 in 1993 uh that had seen some things that
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took place that night and he wanted to put her in contact with this boy this boy didn't want to talk to anybody but
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he thought that maybe if Linda talked to him that he would he would feel the urge
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to come forward with this information having meeting one of the one of the victims so he puts the two of them in
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touch together well meeting the victim's mother correct and so Tom Tom tells the
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story that he is out the night that the boys are found and he was out with a couple of his friends they were out in
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the area of the tracks and they were looking for marijuana plants and they were goofing around and just you know
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just kind of being out in the middle of the night you know doing weird stuff well yeah well we kind of talked about
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this like when we're kids the whole thing was especially around the summertime was you might if you could
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camp out out in the backyard that you might go like do some pranks right you might toilet paper somebody's house you
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might pee in somebody's mailbox stuff like that uh inappropriate not nice stuff but the the best was it's
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good for the toilet paper manufacturers right right well good and bad cuz but uh
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but it was always weird to me is like you'd be walking to the neighborhood and you might have a couple buddies with you
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and then all of a sudden you see another group of people from your high school and they're out doing the same thing did
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did that ever happen with you once happened once yeah but it like freaks you out so kind of similar thing where
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you have this one group of boys out where we're not for sure what they're doing yet they claim that they're
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hunting and then you got this other set of kids out and they're maybe looking for a pot just kind of looking around
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yeah well and you know what happens Captain if you're out at night and you're a kid in the dark and you see
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some lights headlights or a light turn on you you what do you do you duck and you hide and these kids Tom and these
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other kids they see Tom would have been 12 at the time and they see a light and they decide to duck down and they're
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going to kind of observe OB ve what's going on and they see three men on the tracks and he he very outwardly
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describes these guys as men uh and during this time he also sees two other figures approaching now Tom and the
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other kids they kind of move up and try to get a little closer to the situation to see what's going on now they're
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intrigued right and he sees that the men are trying to engage the other two figures they're kind of calling out to
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them and telling them to come over and talk to them this is the boy that we heard in the trailer correct yeah and he
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says that the boys seem he describes these other two figures as as not grown men as possible teenagers he states that
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the teenagers didn't seem to be they didn't want to go over and talk to the men they were very reluctant to do so at
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some point though they get must have been convinced to do so because then they start walking over towards the men
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now at this point Tom is ducking down and he's kind of hiding because he sees several flashlights at at the time and
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he hears what he believes to be a gunshot go off like he said in the trailer he kind of looked away mhm and
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then but he also saw the flash of the gun saw the flash of light now he cannot say whether that gunfire came from the
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teenage boys or from the three men that he had already seen on the tracks what he does say though is as soon as they
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hear that him and his friends decide to take off and flee the area well and the thing is that he recognizes one of the
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guys on the tracks yes and and why does he recognize one of them well I he claims that his mother was seeing
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attorney in town mhm and that attorney was on the train tracks and that man is Dan Harmon and where do we know that
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name from Captain well he was the prosecutor that we had talked about in episode one uh that was involved in the
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case of the death of the two boys so get your head around this right this is what
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we're saying people this is why this case is mindblowing to me is that we have later years down years down the
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line right mhm in 1993 this stuff comes out but years earlier we have two boys that you know mysteriously die on train
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tracks they think it's a a traffic accident and then they bring it to a grand jury and that's brought by this
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guy Dan Dan Harmon and he is the the lead prosecutor and he's the one that's in charge of all the evidence and
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collecting all the evidence and getting his hands wherever and years later comes
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out that oh he might have been on those tracks we have an eyewitness that states
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that it was in fact Dan Harmon that he could identify it positively identify him as Dan Harmon because he knew Dan
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Harmon he had some he had a relationship with him the man dated his mother and we
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also have another eyewitness that points to Dan as well yeah and we're going to get to her right after this quick beer
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[Music] today all right we're back and I know the story just took a bit of a Twist
00:32:23
there at the last part but yeah it did we're going to add to that twist a little bit by introducing a person by
00:32:29
the name of Charlene Wilson um now this woman she's in her 30s and she was known
00:32:35
to be popular around town uh but this is this would take place years after the investigation into the deaths of the
00:32:45
boys and this is during an investigation regarding criminal charges in an unrelated case uh Charlene Wilson
00:32:54
testified in front of a grand jury to amongst other things but the important thing here to our case is that amongst
00:33:04
those other things she testified that she had dated Dan Harmon for some time now this would have taken place in 1987
00:33:11
right the same year as the deaths right and to call a female popular let's just go ahead and put it on the table Dan
00:33:17
Harmon was also considered popular yes yes he was and uh during this time Dan Harmon he was married um and she said
00:33:26
that dated probably seven or eight times during the course of that year but the two of them had snorted cocaine on
00:33:34
several of those occasions right so Not only was Dan Harmon popular but he was also what I'd like to call
00:33:41
[ __ ] yeah because you can't you can't have a girlfriend when you're married or
00:33:46
you shouldn't have a girlfriend when you're married well the big deal here Captain is that not only does she say
00:33:52
these things but let's keep in mind she's testifying to this to these statements in front of a grand jury so
00:33:58
this is a big deal this is not like you just said it to some news reporter or somebody on the street no this is now
00:34:04
opening up a line of questioning that is probably going to open up to a line of Investigation about the person that
00:34:11
you're talking about by saying that the prosecutor somebody that has been a prosecutor was known to be using illegal
00:34:18
drugs during the course of of his tenure yeah Dan is basically a Coco and this is
00:34:24
going to lead us to a lot of the other questions regarding Dan Harmon now the police get involved here because after
00:34:31
this statement in front of the grand jury they want to know more about not only Dan's drug use but also this
00:34:39
witness's drug use and they also want to know what else she may know about things
00:34:43
that were going on in the area around 1987 and 1988 so when they question Charlene Wilson they start off by
00:34:52
providing her with two prepared questionnaires um and one of them is more directed toward Dan Harmon and the
00:35:00
other is more directed towards the deaths of Kevin and Dawn now I'm going to read these for you uh the first one
00:35:07
starts off by asking tell us about your drug dealings with Dan Harmon and Charlene responds he kept me high a lot
00:35:15
on occasion I would make specific drops to different areas for him I got high with him a lot the next question is if
00:35:23
you were going to conduct an investigation on Harmon how would you do it she states that she would go to his
00:35:30
ex-wife Rebecca then he would then she would check his money background with a fine- tooth comb mhm she then
00:35:38
recommended going through drug task force records to see who they may have led off during his time when he was in
00:35:44
power as well as payoffs and Drug trades and things of that nature mhm they asked
00:35:50
her to list the five most important causes that would have led Dan Harmon selling drugs and using drugs drugs she
00:35:58
states that it would be his family history also letting people go that had enough money to buy him off would have
00:36:04
led to his drug use uh drugs being confiscated but not actually being reported would be things that he might
00:36:11
have been using or selling right and by letting big-time dealers off for free she also stated that it's common
00:36:18
knowledge of his drug use and that been common knowledge amongst many people in his Circle for years they asked her to
00:36:25
write in detail One Drug deal that that she had conducted with Dan Harmon now now this is going to be a little
00:36:33
difficult because like she said I mean she was high a lot of the time yes and I imagine that there were probably more
00:36:39
than one drug dealings that she was involved with with Dan Haron but she's going to give the answer to one of those
00:36:45
and the one that she states is one that took place at a place called Lee beastro
00:36:49
club uh she says Dan Harmon was there as well as Roger Clinton and herself she said that this took place on a weekend
00:36:57
night and that they had met there in a parking lot and did a cocaine exchange the next question she's asked
00:37:04
do you know who else deals drugs with Dan Harmon and now they've they've pulled this information from this
00:37:11
questionnaire because she's naming other people here but she does name at least four other men the next question is
00:37:18
while filling out this form what were your emotions and she states that she was scared but she was also ready to
00:37:25
come clean she's worried about what Dan may find out that she is saying about him now in the second question there as
00:37:30
I said is more related to the deaths of the boys and it starts off by saying tell us what you know about the
00:37:38
circumstances that might have led to the deaths of Don Henry and Kevin IES she states that she feels that Dan Harmon
00:37:45
has more knowledge of the two boys' deaths than he has ever told in late summer in in August she says that she
00:37:53
drove with Harmon to Alexander to meet with she she assumes a man named Keith mccal to make a pickup now she says this
00:38:01
would have been around the time of the two boys' deaths they asked her to write in detail
00:38:07
what happened on August 22nd 1987 from the time that she got up until the time she went to bed that evening she states
00:38:14
that she got up she did some coke and Crystal mixed I guess that she says that's called highballing uh she cleaned
00:38:21
up the house left and went off to find some more drugs later that afternoon wanted to show her a house and they went
00:38:29
in his car and they looked at a house in Alexander when they came back to her house she said she ate something and put
00:38:36
on some makeup Dan then asked her to take a ride back out to Alexander with him and he asked her to pull down the
00:38:44
Old Quarry Road and she he told her to wait in the car he gets out and he leaves she states that she stayed in the
00:38:51
vehicle and she got high a while while she was waiting for him to come back she said he suddenly then comes back
00:38:57
shouting let's go they hop in the vehicle and they head back to her place and that's when she is told to take a
00:39:04
shower um he's she's asking him if there's anything wrong he's saying there's nothing wrong uh that they spent
00:39:10
some time together that evening he took a shower she went to bed and he left well he had to go back to his wife's
00:39:16
house well the final question on this questionnaire is they ask her do you have any reason to be afraid of
00:39:23
answering any of these questions and she states simply yes I do because Dan Harmon does not like me in
00:39:30
1993 this would be in May uh by this point Dan Harmon has been charged with some drug possession charges and he is
00:39:38
currently awaiting trial now I think I think some of this is going to come to light here Captain because I think that
00:39:45
at this point Charlene Wilson might feel that she might be safe from Dan Harmon because he's facing these charges and he
00:39:52
could potentially be going to prison right uh but in in an interview with the State Police Department she states that
00:40:01
she knows quite a bit more about the night that the boys were killed oh now it's getting kind of Juicy this is a
00:40:07
statement given to detective Brown Charlene said that she had been with Dan Harmon and Keith mcal the night that the
00:40:15
boys had been killed she went with them to the train tracks she said that when they arrived there were two other men
00:40:21
that were there as well but all these men seemed to be agitated because there was a small band of kids that had tried
00:40:29
to rip off the drop see now they were going there because there was going to be this drug drop they were expecting to
00:40:35
get 3 to four lounds of coke and 5 lbs of weed well and like we said there was Drops that were made from trains but
00:40:43
also possible that the planes would come in and stop in a field make a drop and then fly to the airport mhm now she said
00:40:52
that when the men got there they stumbled upon these boys that were apparently trying to rip them off MH and
00:40:58
what had happened was they chased after the boys and they got away now she said that they caught two of them and they
00:41:06
were brought back to the tracks this was Kevin Ives and Don Henry uh she said that when the boys arrived one of them
00:41:14
was already deceased at that point she then claimed that Keith mcal killed the other one no no no no no she's lying
00:41:22
she's lying that's not the whole story it's not the whole story but it's it's also not the end of the story so she
00:41:28
would actually give multiple confessions to what had happened to the boys of course she would so well we kind of see
00:41:35
it with that first part with the questionnaire right she kind of leads on that she and Dan Harmon know more about
00:41:41
the boy's death than what Dan Harmon is willing to admit that he knows and apparently is more than what she's
00:41:46
willing to admit to knowing during filling out that questionnaire now when she gives her second statement this to
00:41:53
detective Brown she now states that she one of the the boys is dead she knows exactly what happened to them one of the
00:41:59
boys is dead when she's at the tracks and the other boy is killed in front of her by Keith mccal well we see another
00:42:06
confession from her and one thing I do want to point out here though Captain is you know we've talked about this a lot
00:42:12
when we see multiple confessions from people usually the stories can trange change drastically that's not what takes
00:42:19
place with Charlene Wilson now with Charlene Wilson basically what I think we get captain is we I think we get the
00:42:27
story you know we get the tip of the iceberg with her with that questionnaire then we get pretty much the whole story
00:42:33
right she's filling Us in on more things now this this last let's call it confession it's basically the same story
00:42:41
as the second with one little twist in there okay okay and the twist being that she actually stabbed one of the boys I
00:42:50
knew it I knew it she said that she was quite high at the time um coked out of her mind she had been hanging out with
00:42:58
Dan Harmon most of the evening Coke and Fizz that's what they call it doing coke
00:43:02
and sex said she said that after the boys were attacked the one was already dead and the one was near death that the
00:43:10
the men that were there they were they were telling her to stab the boy well yeah because their thought process there
00:43:17
is if she is a right now she's just a witness mhm and she's basically a complice but she can get away with that
00:43:25
yeah but if she stabs one of the boys she's guilty then she's also a murderer yeah yeah and that's why they wanted her
00:43:33
to stab the other boy yeah she she would be guilty as a witness but now she's guilty as a as a conspirator to murder
00:43:39
mhm um so she does admit to stabbing one of the boys in the back um she does right right and we have the evidence of
00:43:47
the stab hole MH and so that's basically her confessions to to that evening well
00:43:55
that really to me we've pointed out quite a bit of other stories regarding that night that all kind of have some
00:44:02
loose parts to them but once you factor in Charlene Wilson's statement that she gives she's kind of the glue she's the
00:44:09
glue kind of binding everything together so I think we need to kind of using these stories we we should be able to
00:44:16
kind of walk through a timeline for the evening of August 23rd 1987 yeah I mean she's the glue that's made out of mainly
00:44:25
cocaine so we'll start off with the boys right Kevin Ives and Don Henry well we've pointed out that if if we take
00:44:32
into account everyone's statements that were given to the police and let's say we believe every statement that was
00:44:39
given to the police well this kind of points out that maybe the boys might not have been going out that night to
00:44:45
actually go hunting they might been involved in something else regardless they went out that night we know they
00:44:51
went out that night this would be between 12:30 and 1 a.m. they leave the house saying that they're going to go
00:44:58
hunting well we now have eyewitness accounts of other people being at the tracks that night yeah and so the
00:45:06
Assumption here is that Kevin and Don got this plan in their head that you know we buy pot and we don't have much
00:45:16
money but we know some guys that actually sell some stuff where we can make a bunch of money off of it so if we
00:45:23
could intercept one of these you know I'm not saying that these these kids wanted to try cocaine I'm saying that
00:45:29
it's probably more likely that they're like you know what if we could get some cocaine and we probably know some people
00:45:35
that would buy it we could make some quick cash M and we wouldn't even have to put any money up front because we're
00:45:41
just intercepting a drop yeah well I mean there's there's some proof that they might have been looking to purchase
00:45:47
cocaine or to to distribute it to other people to make some cash um and if that's if that in fact is true and and
00:45:56
they did stumble into a situation where they overhear this BigTime drug dealer that they keep referring to as talking
00:46:04
about a drop then maybe this is some kind of plan that they devised do you think the big- time drug dealer that
00:46:10
they were talking about was uh Dan yes I actually do um and whether they knew him by name or knew it to be
00:46:19
Dan Harman I don't know but I think that there might have been people that talked
00:46:24
about this big time drug Lord this big time Big Time play Big Time um the thing here is the the reason being is if if
00:46:33
he's at the drop I don't see why he's not the big time guy you know you know the way these things work you usually
00:46:39
have one it's like a pyramid scheme you have one guy that's doing pulling in a lot of the product he's Distributing it
00:46:45
to a couple people who distribute it to a few more people and the it gets bigger
00:46:50
as you go down the pyramid there and it spreads out the money and most of the money goes to the top there and and
00:46:55
we're talking about a drop if we believe Charlene Wilson here we're talking about
00:47:00
a drug drop of she says 3 to 4 pound of cocaine [ __ ] and 5 lbs of weed that sounds like a pretty decent drop to me
00:47:09
right I don't know much about drug drops drug drops raindrops drop tops but we also have Charlene Wilson statement
00:47:17
saying that she was at the tracks that night with Dan Harmon Keith mccal and a man by the name of Larry Rochelle now
00:47:25
who who are these other two guys so Keith mcal he is a local bartender he works at one of those places up by the
00:47:33
county line and he's he's a pretty well-known bartender as well he's he's a guy that's known to be a bit rough
00:47:39
around the edges he's known to be a drug user as well as a distributor he's also
00:47:44
a Burley guy right now I don't know much about this Larry Rochelle guy um but what I'm kind of assuming here Captain
00:47:51
is that I think this Keith mcal is involved with moving drugs for Dan Harmon and this Larry Rochelle is
00:47:59
probably involved in the same thing may be this Larry guy is Shady Jerry it's a possibility I mean like where he's like
00:48:06
uh who's who's your friend uh not not Larry Jerry yeah yeah but I don't think that Larry I don't think that Larry's
00:48:15
going to come forward and fess up to anything when he's involved in a murder or maybe a way to tell a story to
00:48:22
cover his own ass well we got to stay clear about this because now we have the two teenage boys we have Don and Kevin
00:48:28
at the tracks and we also have Dan Haron Keith mccal and Larry Rochelle now we know some of these players here because
00:48:37
we have two eyewitness statements we have Charlene Wilson stating that Dan Haron Keith mccal and Larry Roselle are
00:48:44
at the tracks we also have we also have Tom new house who's hiding in the bushes
00:48:50
nearby witnessing this event take place now there are some statements that say that that other boy that we talk about
00:48:58
later Keith Cooney might have been one of the boys in the bushes with Tom new house now the situation here is new
00:49:06
house Witnesses these guys interact with each other there seems to be some kind of disagreement he hears The Gunshot go
00:49:12
off and then the two teenagers flee at this same time we have Tom new house who flees as well shortly after that we have
00:49:21
Don Henry and Kevin Ives who are seen near the store near shrob road now this is with the uh Keith Cooney as well he
00:49:32
states that he was there with the boys right so we have Keith Cooney statement stating this and he says that two police
00:49:38
officers pull up and at this point that Keith takes off now we also have the other two
00:49:44
eyewitnesses this is your buddy Shady Jerry now he's there he says that he sees two police officers he also sees
00:49:52
one boy take off on a motorcycle and two remaining teenage boys we also have Ronnie Godwin story who basically says
00:50:01
about the same thing we have these two I witnesses that state that they see police officers beating up kids and
00:50:07
throwing them in the back of a vehicle MH now through these statements one thing that we learn we do learn who
00:50:15
these officers are because of descriptions given as well as names given during some of these statements
00:50:22
and these officers are Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane and they work for the palaski county sheriff's office so now we got
00:50:31
more we got more characters here well let's just stop right there right so you know look some sometimes I get you know
00:50:38
hate mail saying we don't need a recap hey sometimes we do there's a lot going on right now so here it is these boys go
00:50:47
out to the woods we're assuming that maybe instead of hunting that they're trying to get in on a drop so that they
00:50:54
possibly could get the drugs maybe sell the drugs who knows yeah they're going to do a Robin Hood move they they've
00:51:01
they've identified some bad guys they've found a way that they could make some money off of this they're going to
00:51:06
intercept these drugs and sell them off to their friends right and again there's
00:51:11
16 and 17 so I think some of it is just like you you make some weird decisions I
00:51:17
don't even want to say bad decisions you sometimes it's just a weird decision so
00:51:22
anyways they go out there there's some kind of Confrontation they jet they leave MH then they meet up
00:51:29
with their friends so now they're back at the store and there's three of them mhm and then guess who rolls up the
00:51:34
police officers now what we do know is if Dan Haron was there that you know he's a prosecutor or he becomes a
00:51:41
prosecutor after this event he knows people of power he's in a position of power and if he's the BigTime drug
00:51:50
dealer he is a position of power right and he probably has people working for him with within the system and out of
00:51:57
the system and so it's not like you know if these cops did what the eyewitnesses
00:52:04
claim that they did they were working for Dan Harmon yes you're exactly right and what what takes place here we don't
00:52:12
know we can't figure out if the police officers if these two Sheriff officers if they intended to kill the boys if
00:52:19
they were told to kill the boys but they were certainly told to go out and catch
00:52:23
these boys right you know go find these guys that that stumbled upon our our operation here and bring them back to me
00:52:30
you know they bring these boys back to the tracks and at that point this is where Charlene Wilson's statement
00:52:36
carries through stating that one of the boys was dead by that time probably the one that was you know beat in the face
00:52:44
yes he was he was hit in the face with with the either the gun or a telephone receiver or both and it could
00:52:50
have been as simple as the orders were bring these guys back to me and then when they tried to apprehend these boys
00:52:57
it got out of control because the boys knew what they're going to head back to right they're heading back to a a drug
00:53:03
boss and if you don't know much about it all you then would know is Hollywood mhm
00:53:11
so then you have to deal with the images of you have from Hollywood right so you'd be scared out
00:53:18
of your mind so you're going to fight for your life the boys are then brought back to the tracks and according to
00:53:24
Charlene Wilson that's when the second boy is killed um whether it be from Keith mccal or whether it be from her
00:53:32
stabbing him but then they place the boys on the tracks so that their bodies are destroyed and all the evidence would
00:53:40
be destroyed as well well that's five key players in this and I would I would say you know to me that all five of
00:53:49
those players are involved in the death yeah yeah right yeah yeah there there's some moving Parts here that that we
00:53:58
don't have um we don't have a solid statement that locks them into this timeline for the entirety of the
00:54:06
timeline because we have this Keith mcal he's a bit of a he's a bit of a rogue situation here right Captain we don't
00:54:14
know if he was actually at the tracks from the start to the finish of this because there is a statement that says
00:54:22
that Keith Cooney had went and and told Keith mccal what he had seen at the tracks and that he had fled from some
00:54:30
police officers and that mcal then went down to the railroad tracks the only person that states that mcal was there
00:54:38
is Wilson who says that she didn't see him until the time that the boys were brought back right so my question here
00:54:45
is I got a little bit of a question with this m mascal but you're exactly right these are the five key players but you
00:54:50
know did he only show up for the second portion of this mhm or or was he one of the three men that Tom new house saw on
00:54:59
the tracks because the situation I think is what what is more likely is that both
00:55:04
of those officers might have been there with this Larry Rochelle and Dan Harmon as a form of protection for this drop
00:55:11
you know maybe you leave one officer in the car because new house only saw three
00:55:16
guys on the tracks you leave one guy in the car to keep it as a lookout and the other officer walks along with you as a
00:55:23
form of protection that that's the only thing that makes sense to me other than maybe because they can't make a radio
00:55:29
call saying these two guys inter interrupted our our drop go catch our drug deal yeah our drug drop yeah right
00:55:37
so I don't know if I don't know if Keith mccal was actually involved in the murder or if he stumbled upon it later
00:55:44
and then was terrified because he was dealing drugs for Dan Harmon and didn't want to throw him under the bus because
00:55:51
Dan Harmon had a lot of a lot of stuff on him well on on top of that you just you have two dead bodies you're going to
00:55:58
go run in your mouth after you saw you know two dead bodies mhm so even if you didn't get there till after they're
00:56:07
dead then at that point you're you're maybe not talking because you're well he he wouldn't be talking if he's dealing
00:56:14
for Dan Harmon is my guess if he's working for Dan Harmon as a drug dealer right but some people are drug
00:56:21
dealers and not murderers right and that's that's why I'm I'm bringing Keith mcal because I don't I'm not convinced
00:56:28
that he was there for the actual murder of these boys I'm stating that it very clear he could have just stumbled upon
00:56:34
the end result while the men were still there and because he was dealing drugs for Dan Harmon and he was caught up in
00:56:42
this drug ring he didn't come forward with information well and maybe it sounds stupid you know
00:56:47
but you got five adults here got two teenage boys that like I said making a weird decision Maybe be a dumb decision
00:56:55
you know ultim ultimately they paid the price for it mhm you know we're going to
00:57:00
go out to the woods if it wasn't just for hunting if it was to disrupt a drug drop then that that's a very bad
00:57:08
decision you know yeah um if you're just going out and hunting wrong place at the
00:57:13
wrong time right mhm and uh you saw some things that you shouldn't have seen but
00:57:17
it seems like there's a lot of weight that they were planning to do this but they're teenage boys 16 and 17 years old
00:57:27
and you got these adults that are some in the system some out of the system they're just doing it for [ __ ] money
00:57:33
anyways right and so and and I and maybe these guys like I said there's a big difference between a drug dealer and a
00:57:40
murderer but then once these guys thought they were caught they had to do something about these
00:57:46
boys and they and they chose I think to murder them or knock them unconscious cuz the one that was beat in the face
00:57:55
could have you know you know drifted off into a coma for all we know and then they lay him on the tracks doesn't
00:58:02
matter that there's a train coming he's not waking up from that you know and they might not have been fully dead by
00:58:10
the time the trains hit them I I think it's most likely that they were but either way it's murder oh yeah yeah and
00:58:19
and I agree with you I think it's most likely that they were in fact dead when they were placed on the tracks
00:58:25
we have Wilson's statement Charlene Wilson's statement saying that she believed both boys to be dead when they
00:58:31
were placed on the tracks this also goes along with something we talked about in
00:58:35
the first episode with the EMTs what they what they thought about the blood as well as the train crew who were Avid
00:58:41
Hunters that when they saw the blood of these boys it was not bright red it was not flowing this Blood wasn't you know
00:58:49
it had they been killed while they were unconscious on the tracks their their heart would have been pumping seconds
00:58:55
before they were run over this would have caused the blood to flow this would have me more blood evidence everywhere
00:59:01
at that scene there was a lot less blood than anybody with a trained eye expected
00:59:06
to see and it also was not the color that they expected to see it was purplish and color it did not look to be
00:59:12
fresh blood right so we have these five adults but we also have these people like I said of power people that are in
00:59:19
the system and that's what's so crazy because then you know once they rule it accidental death which is probably ruled
00:59:27
to accidental death because of the people that Dan Harmon knew right and so they can get this ruling and then all of
00:59:34
a sudden when it when all this new information starts coming to light and we're going to bring it in front of
00:59:38
grand jury guess what lawyer volunteers his Services he rises to the occasion and he throws himself in the middle of
00:59:46
the investigation not only throws himself in there but he's going to be being the guy that's steering and
00:59:52
directing the grand jury and onp on top of that he has the power he's going to use the grand jury like his own set of
01:00:00
bodyguards he's going basically run a racketeering operation and a blackmailing operation through this
01:00:07
grand jury he can now subpoena whoever he wants in the area bring them in for questioning submit them to questions to
01:00:16
find out what they know what they do or don't know who they've talked to and he can he can sift through the dirt man he
01:00:24
can sift through the dirt and see what Rises to the top to find out what people know and maybe who he needs to shut up
01:00:30
right but who's this lawyer's name well this is Dan Harmon right right once a prosecutor twice a prosecutor but
01:00:37
clearly always a drug dealer and always a douche Cano and he's got two sheriffs at least two sheriffs that we know of
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that are on the take he's got drug dealers working for him he's created his own little web his own little operation
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and he's done it all under the watchful eye of of the local police well and I've
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never heard of a story where okay one accidental death you know that's what it's they claim it's AEL Dental death oh
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it's not now we got to bring it to trial who brings it to trial Dan Harmon years
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later who's one of the number one suspects in the actual murder Dan Harmon M I've never heard of that ever I mean
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it's freaking mind blowing and we're just getting we're just getting warmed up I mean I mean we should call all part
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part three of four should just be called Death that's what it should be called yes we certainly got so much more to get
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to we'll get to that next week we got more evidence we got more crimes being committed we're just getting started
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right what's our recommended reading for the week recommended reading this week I'm excited about this one Captain it's
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called Dark spell surviving the sentence uh this is by one of my favorite and I believe one of the very best True Crime
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authors out there Mara ever in this story dark spell it's about Jason Baldwin most of you will know him from
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the West Memphis 3 uh she's written about them before this is kind of continuing on in the case so if you're
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like me and you always want to read more about the West Memphis 3 pick up dark spell surviving the sentence by Mara
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Leverett you can do that by going to our website true Crim garage.com you click on the recommended page and you pick
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things up through our Amazon banner and real quick before we go here Captain we have something to talk about regarding
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iTunes in in the episodes we've had a little trouble okay so all we do is we we have a host and then our host sends
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it to iTunes and sometimes it's just been coming up that there's an error sometimes we get it sometimes it's a
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download error we're not really for sure all we can do is do a request sometimes
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our host says oh well we did something wrong sometimes it's on iTunes in and it's it's very frustrating and it it
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basically keeps me up a bunch of times but also every time that we add an episod episode mhm uh it knocks off uh
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normally West Memphis 3 part one mhm and so I have to go back in and add it and sometimes I forget to so when it
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disappears it's because I forgot to and just give me a day or so and I'll fix it
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yeah the the pro we we apologize for the troubles and for the frustration but it's just equally as frustrating on our
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end we are aware of the issue we've reported the issue many many times and it is in their hands now yeah and I like
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to send them a bunch of video chat messages me just screaming I'm I'm going to put you in your face fix it fix it
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now anyways thanks for sharing every time somebody shares it on social media just it fills my heart an angel gets its
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