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I don't know [Music] October 2009 Charlottesville Virginia a group of successful young women
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made their way to see a concert but at some point in the evening the group lost one of their own
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twenty-year-old college student Morgan Harrington was last seen near the University of Virginia campus sometime
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after 9 pm then she was gone September 2014. five years later on the same college campus
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18 year old Hannah Graham was last seen just after midnight two female college students
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both successful young women with their whole lives ahead of them go missing and startling similar
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circumstances both are alone on the streets of Charlottesville Virginia at night both
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vanish triggering massive searches Terror for women on campus an insurmountable heartbreak for their
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families there is no known connection between these two other than the circumstances
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of their disappearances little did anyone know but the University of Virginia College
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campus and a monster prowling its streets this is true crime garage this is a True Crime Story
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of the back to school killer [Music] [Music] let's go back to October of 2009. Morgan
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Harrington is a 20 year old student at Virginia Tech studying to be a teacher even though Morgan was at college she
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was still close with her parents Dan and Jill and her brother Alex Harrington Morgan was an avid music fan and if I
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can say so myself Morgan had great taste in music this is going to take us to the late
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afternoon early evening hours of Saturday October 17 2009. I would imagine that Morgan was
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rather excited about this night because she along with some friends were going to go and see one of Morgan's favorite
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bands live in concert the heavy metal group Metallica was playing at the John Paul Jones Arena on the University of
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Virginia Campus located in Charlottesville Virginia Charlottesville is located in the North
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near middle part of Virginia this is from what I have seen this is from what I have seen online
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it's a beautiful campus and a very pretty independent city as well it's hard to believe that such horrible
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things are going to happen there Morgan and some of her friends bought tickets for the Metallica show taking
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place on October 17th now as said Morgan is attending Virginia Tech so Morgan and
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her friends are going to make the drive from Virginia Tech to UVA that night in Morgan's car
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but Morgan wasn't driving the vehicle Morgan was playing it cool she was planning on drinking that night and in
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fact was drinking a little leading up to the concert as well so one of her friends signed up for the job of the DD
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designated driver they drove the 147 miles between the two schools and about two hours and 15
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minutes Morgan's friend the DD kept the car keys as the group proceeded into the arena
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so now they are inside the arena and of course the place is packed it's Metallica on a Saturday night on a
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college campus around 8 30 PM ish Morgan tells her friends she's going to go off to the
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restroom she left to go find the bathroom but when she wasn't back at her seat after about 15 minutes
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her friends start to get worried now we know from phone records that at 8 48 PM her friend called Morgan's cell phone to
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ask where she was and when she would be back at her seat right Morgan answered the phone and says that she was outside
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of the arena and could not get back inside now the details of this are a little tricky here we don't know how or why she
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got outside of the Arena maybe she went outside the doors to smoke and didn't realize that she would not be able to
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re-enter the venue but according to some witnesses she was told that she would not be
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allowed back in that they were not allowing re-entry into the venue Morgan had been drinking for a couple of
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hours by this point this according to a statement of the facts Witnesses said she appeared to be intoxicated at this
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point in our timeline in fact she had a cut on her chin from a fall she had taken on the arena
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Concourse in front of several people furthermore Morgan had no cash on her at this time she's locked outside of the
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venue no cash in hand right she had given her money to one of her friends to buy a concert T-shirt or some Memento
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from the concert and her friends remember had her car key since her friend had the car keys and her other
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friend had the money I wondered if maybe her ticket stub was given to one of her
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friends as well could be she could have still had the ticket stub and as we've seen a lot of times in these venues when
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you have thousands and thousands of people right you get let in uh if you choose to leave you're Outdoors now and
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again According to some witnesses that's what the statement was that she was told by security that if you go
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outside we can't let you back in and like you said she took a fall so it's kind of hard to tell how intoxicated she
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actually was exactly right and so now she's outside of the concert can't get back in I guess
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we have a couple of options here Captain if if we're Morgan do you wait right outside the doors you can't even get
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back into your car if your vehicle is locked at this point it's really unfortunate because this is going to put
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her in a bit of a desperate situation maybe had she had some money she could have walked to a nearby bar and just try
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to wait it out she's not of drinking age but we do know she is drinking that night yeah and as you pointed out with
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that fall and her level of being intoxicated and evidence of such with that fall it
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doesn't seem to me that Morgan may not have been thinking straight by this point right because one of the things if
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she had her keys is she could have just went out to her car and slap it off yeah and we we are not
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telling people to smoke cigarettes yes we are it's bad for your health there's no mystery about that but if you're
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going to do it do it old school and go into the bathroom don't don't leave the venue try to get away with it in the
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bathroom so she's not thinking straight this this is interesting because we do have some witnesses that will come
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forward later saying that oh we saw somebody matching her description and she appeared to be acting erratic at
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some point and it may not have even been acting as one would expect when seen leaving
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the arena we have a statement here in fact the quote that says after 9 pm Witnesses
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observed Morgan in the University Hall west parking lot this is the Lanigan track parking lot and then she was also
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seen on the Copley Bridge just north of Ivy Road sometime after 9 20 p.m that night
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at the time that she was on the Copley Bridge Witnesses advised that she was alone
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spotted alone and appeared to be hitchhiking with her thumb out not a good sign now Morgan's friends tried and
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tried to call her several times to no avail keep in mind though they are at a concert it's loud so we don't know how
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many times they attempted to call her but their statements are we try to call her time and time again
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and at some point we can't get a hold of her so she's outside of this Arena she's
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intoxicated so it's she's already in a dangerous risky situation but now you're trying to
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hitchhike you're putting yourself in even a later when her friends discovered that Morgan
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had not made it back to the dorm they decide well we need to file a missing person's Report with the
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University of Virginia police according to that missing persons report when they
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last saw her they stated that Morgan was wearing a black mini skirt knee-high black boots black leggings
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Swarovski brand chain necklace I hope I said that correctly and a black custom made Pantera t-shirt that was designed
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for her by a friend on the morning after Morgan's disappearance so now we're at October
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18th this is around 9 00 A.M we get a University of Virginia lacrosse player who is off going about their day finds a
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purse lying along a fence line at the Lanigan track parking lot remember we have witnesses saying that they saw
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Morgan at this track parking lot inside the purse this purse is turned into police inside the purse police
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recovered Morgan's student ID driver's license and her debit card of course this is a very
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very bad sign also inside the purse was a small empty flask this is according to Morgan's
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friends was the source of the alcohol that she had been drinking on the way to the concert leading up to the concert
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now that Lanigan track lot that parking lot that we were talking about where Morgan's purse had been found was used
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by several local taxi companies as a staging area during events at the arena so you have basically a Bank Of Vehicles
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taxi cabs are going to pull up parked there probably engines still on and they're
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hoping to catch fares of people coming out of the Arena so very common stuff here
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but that is a space where she was seen and then later her purse is found so this would point to the obvious that
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maybe Morgan had been trying to get a cab but we do know that she's without cash
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maybe she was intending to use her debit card but regardless if she was trying to
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get a cab or not now we have to be concerned is why is she missing why is she without her purse and why is her
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purse found abandoned on the ground with with with several pieces of documentation that she would
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need to be getting around and navigating hopefully back to her dorm let me be Captain Obvious
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for a second we have to remember that she's over two hours away from her dorm from her school from her friends when
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she goes missing so Morgan goes missing late at night last scene just before 9 30 p.m
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apparently trying to hitchhike but later the next day her purse is found in this
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parking garage parking lot area then Captain things go from Grim to very dark very quickly
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this is when the following day police find Morgan's cell phone so this is actually
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taking place over the course of two separate days of searching for Morgan or any clues of her whereabouts
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on October 19th and 20th police located Morgan's cell phone and the cell phone cover from various areas in the
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University Hall west parking lot the phone's battery the cell phone's battery was missing when this phone was found
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and this is very troubling especially with what we know today about how investigators are finding people and
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solving crimes right was this something that was done intentional by someone that may have
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taken this young woman or was this just happenstance that she dropped the phone in her State and lost the phone and and
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went on about her night trying to find a way home it's it's a little difficult to
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say but I think that details like this will become very much clearer as we continue to go through this week's case
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story and timeline well I agree with you because I think finding her purse that makes sense in in the sense of
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she was intoxicated she was wandering around is it possible that she just dropped it and didn't notice but when
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you saw but when you find her cell phone and the battery is taken from that phone
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that's a big red flag the the other thing that's confusing here about these details of this timeline is that none of
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this really makes a whole lot of sense when you try to play it out right so what we have here is
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the phone and the purse especially the purse are found in a location where she's seen earlier prior
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to being seen out on the bridge trying to hitchhike a road a ride so why would she
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go to this area loser purse and then she's seen in a different location further away at a different time trying
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to hitchhike home well some of the actions of her friends I I don't agree with one your friend calls you and says
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I'm outside the arena somebody can go meet me at this door maybe you can talk to security she's with us can you let
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her in at some point you go well she's really intoxicated we saw her fall and hurt herself maybe we need to leave
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this show and then once you get out of the concert you can't find her you have her vehicle
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don't leave town we don't know that none of that didn't happen right we don't know that they didn't offer that up and
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and she said no I'll be fine enjoy the concert I'll see you afterwards right um but what we do know is yes they
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returned back to their campus and then when they find that she's not there they're reporting her missing right away
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this will lead obviously to so many unanswered questions with no sign of this young woman of Morgan despite
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what turns into massive searches of the entire area we remember the the purse was found the following day the cell
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phone the next day and then the cell phone cover is found the following day after that so we're searching for over
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three days now at some point a 150 000 reward is offered for information this is
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including fifty thousand dollars chipped in by the band Metallica now the band's lead singer and guitarist
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James Hatfield put out a video asking for anyone with information to please contact the police
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saying something to the effect of you know we've lost one of our own somebody that was there to have a good time that
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night has disappeared and we need to find this young woman now we're going to go all the way out to
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November 11th this is when there's another devastating find so this is roughly about six days shy of
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Morgan missing for a month now at this point police respond to a call of a parcel of
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private property on 15th Street Northwest near the intersection of Grady Avenue there they're called out there because
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what was found was a black panthera T-shirt discovered lying spread out atop some
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bushes well like you said wasn't it a custom made shirt it was and on top of that what we're
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going to get is some forensic science here to tell us that it was in fact Morgan's shirt the very
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Pantera shirt that she was wearing when she went missing right so they they recover some uh hairs that are going to
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later be identified as very likely having to been belonged to Morgan now some further interesting details about
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this t-shirt and the way that it's found all the reports say that it appeared to
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have been put on display as if someone wanted it to be found now we don't know if the person that took
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her would have gone to this area and placed it there for it to be found or if it's something as simple as we've
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we've all seen this right you the the winter glove that somebody puts on display near the front door or the exit
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door of a grocery store because they found it in the parking lot it could be as simple as somebody that
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was walking found this shirt and thought you know what I'm going to put it in the
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most obvious spot so if whoever lost this comes back to retrace their steps they
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will they should see it and be able to collect their item yeah that makes sense now the tricky thing here though is
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we're talking almost a month after this poor girl has been missing as you pointed out Captain it's a unique
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shirt so they're suspicious that it is hers and as I was getting to they determined
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that the the hairs that they found on this shirt contained mitochondrial DNA a profile
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consistent with Morgan's mothers DNA So based on that DNA obtained from the that information and from the shirt this
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meant that the hairs came from someone related to Morgan's mother and of course Morgan's missing so
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obviously they're going this is very likely Morgan's which is not good now there was a lot of other evidence on
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this shirt as well there was a blood stain that was found on the t-shirt which proved to contain genetic
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information a DNA profile from an unknown person who was already in CODIS CODIS is the FBI's DNA database which
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contains the Str DNA profiles of millions of convicted violent offenders arrestees and others whose DNA is
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entered into a database pursuant to the laws of the state in which they have police contact
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some of them are unidentified offenders whose DNA was collected at a crime scene
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but whose identity police do not know that was the case here DNA from an unidentified person already in CODIS
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matched the DNA from Morgan's case what this meant was that police now knew that
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the perpetrator whose blood was on Morgan's t-shirt was the same person unknown to police who had committed a
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crime in Fairfax Virginia four years prior back in 2005. so if that suspect's blood matches the
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blood in this case and they have a composite sketch of that individual that essentially means you have a you have a
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composite sketch in both cases yes that's exactly right that what police will learn once they find out
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that the DNA on Morgan Harrington's shirt matches unknown unidentified DNA that is
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encoded from that prior crime that when they go back to review the details of that prior crime they find
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that there was a composite sketch of a potential suspect that existed but when they investigated that crime no
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suspect had been located so you have this weird scenario of yes this is a great lead but that composite sketch
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never led to a suspect in the previous crime four years prior so it dries up rather quickly in the
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Morgan Harrington case [Music] [Music] all right we are back cheers mates if you haven't
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got the Colonel's book then what are you waiting for Now's the Time just go to Amazon the best way is this
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search Nick Edwards and it will pop up right there and you can purchase on Amazon or
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I loved listening to it on Audible the great Kevin Pierce making me sound smarter yeah Mr Pierce thank you and
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yeah I I uh I've told a lot of people if it was you reading it I never would have
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finished it I would have shut it off immediately yeah I would have been like this is a real [ __ ] sandwich all right
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let's get back to the case cheers mates cheers captain now this we're going to go out four months after Morgan
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disappeared to the next big line item on our timeline here this is January 26 2010.
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and by this point of course everybody is expecting the worst and and have been for four months now but this is
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confirmation well especially when you find the shirt with blood evidence yeah unfortunately this is confirmation of
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what they were really worried about this is when Morgan's body was found at Anchorage Farm in southern Albemarle
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County Virginia by land owner Dave bass so he owns this piece of land he he actually owns several Acres out there
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and I I didn't have it in my notes how large his property is but from my understanding Captain it was several
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hundreds of Acres wow and so he has portions of his land that he very likely does not go to on a regular basis now
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he's out on his tractor and he initially thought that he found a deer carcass and then upon further
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examination realizes that there's a human skull there so we've got to call this in right and so he calls it in and
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now based on the state of the remains that are recovered there at that property it was estimated that the body had been
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there and been outside and deceased for most if not all of the period that Morgan Harrington was missing now some
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pieces of clothing and jewelry were recovered with the remains but Morgan's boots leggings and necklace were never
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found The Remains were sent to the office of the chief medical examiner in Richmond
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where Dr Kevin Whaley performed in autopsy she was positively id'd using dental records so now we do know that it is the
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missing Morgan Harrington the cause of death was homicidal violence of an undetermined origin this because of the
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d-comp that had taken place the manner of death of course was homicide but it wasn't clear exactly what had killed
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Morgan but they did know based off of the scientific evidence that she suffered violence near simultaneously
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with her death she had a spiral fracture of her upper left arm and two rib fractures which
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according to the medical examiner occurred at or near the time of her death a review of the case by Dr Donna Boyd a
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forensic anthropologist at Radford University confirmed Dr Whaley's conclusions but also located
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an in-sized fracture in Morgan's skull that had also occurred at or near the time of death all of this is to say that
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Morgan suffered a violent end at the hands of someone else we now are taking our missing persons case
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and making it officially a homicide investigation all right Colonel it's time to jump in
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the DeLorean and jump five years ahead yeah we're gonna move forward five years later in
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our timeline unfortunately this is because in September of 2014 well everything that we pretty much just
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discussed it's going to happen again this time we have 18 year old University of Virginia sophomore Hannah Elizabeth
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Graham she's the only daughter of John and Sue Graham she's a student athlete at University of Virginia she's on the
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ski team an honors student born in England but raised in Fairfax Virginia she's described as smart outgoing
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sociable fun and a very positive outgoing person on the night of September 12 Hannah met up with some of her friends
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in fellow ski team members to pregame a little bit before they went out to party for the night yeah right
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study hard work hard Party hard and you have the opportunity so meeting up with friends and fellow
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ski team members the group went out for the night they began drinking around 7 pm at 9 33 PM they left their apartment
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and went to a place called fig a restaurant in downtown Charlottesville this is across the street from the
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University again this is this is not a a large area right so we have to be specific here that Charlottesville is a
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university town it's not a big city at all it's 43 000 people it's the size of most
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suburbs the air quotes downtown mall as it is called is this a Street area bordering
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the gates to the university it's it's it's not in all inclusive interior inside mall that's sprawling
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this is more of an open uh walk from business to business kind of setting right so this area the downtown mall area
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features bustling bars restaurants ice cream shops and college apparel shops as well it's and this is considered to be a
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very safe environment a very safe neighborhood Hannah and her friends spent several
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hours at the Fig restaurant leaving around 11 pm so then they go to a college party at an apartment in
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Charlottesville once there Hannah decides that she's not going to be staying very long and she
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actually leaves with a friend to go to another party however they're going to continue to
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drink and eventually Hannah becomes pretty intoxicated so around 11 50 p.m that's 11 5 0 p.m
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she told her friends that she wasn't feeling very well and she would like to go home one of her friends walked her
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outside of the party they go out to the sidewalk area this is located at the Camden Plaza
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Apartment on 14th Street the friend is offering to walk Hannah home Hannah says no she's going to be
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fine you go back and enjoy the party I'm gonna make my way home so she started walking on her own in the
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direction of her apartment as she walked she continued to text her friends but then her texts were increasingly
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filled with misspellings and indecipherable messages and this is because she's impaired yeah not good
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then Hannah started sending messages indicating that she was lost at some point I was gonna say yeah maybe one the
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text messages are not clear because she's born intoxicated but but two sometimes when you're walking and you're
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trying to find your way you're not really fully paying attention to the text that you're sending
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well this is unfortunate too because if if her friends were to go out and try to
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look for her on foot they're not going to have a whole lot to go off of if her text to them are filled
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with misspellings she doesn't know where she is and indecipherable messages which
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this is all a little confusing to me because this campus isn't that big of a area no but it's understandable to me
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that that this young woman got lost and here's where I go with this it's it's dark out it's incredibly late right we
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do know by all reports and we'll have further information of this later that Hannah is intoxicated and the other
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thing that I wonder too this is her sophomore year the this is the very beginning we've just gone back to school
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this is September of 2014 it's very likely that she may have moved and and now is living in a new apartment
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or new dorm right so she she might have a hard time finding it even if she were not impaired just with it being dark and
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living in a new place and coming from a location that she may not be familiar with regardless of that situation though
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Captain what we have here is we do know that she does send several texts to her friends unfortunately the last text that
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will be sent comes in at approximately 1am and the text is very short and just says
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I got stuck down though remember we're saying that the texts aren't completely making sense right
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guessing here and others have speculated on this and it seems correct that she's
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probably trying to say I got stuck downtown right uh and then it turns into down though
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when Hannah didn't show up for her scheduled early event on Saturday morning this is the 13th
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her friends were alarmed and tried to reach her several times so they're getting no luck so what they do is they
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take it a step further and they contact Hannah's family her parents and say look
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this is a situation she was walking home by herself late last night after we were all out
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partying we had a scheduled event early the next morning we're all here she's not here right we can't get a hold of
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her but that is somewhat reasonable because she left the party because she was feeling sick correct and we've all
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slept one off right uh at least the colonel has a couple of times but I'm sleeping one off right now Mom and Dad
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and all the friends and classmates schoolmates are in agreeance that this is totally unlike Hannah to one not be
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responsive to the communications but also two to fail to show up for a commitment
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now once she hadn't turned up by Saturday afternoon parents and Friends banding together called the police
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Charlottesville police became heavily involved right away they were assisted by the state police
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they were able to locate witnesses that saw Hannah and found surveillance footage that showed Hannah walking on
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the night of September 12th into the early morning hours of September 13th now here's what they found
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around 12 45 a.m Hannah was spotted walking past McGrady's Pub this is at the intersection of Grady and Preston
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Avenues there they talked to a bouncer a bouncer noticed Hannah walking by she then turned around and walked by
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again but going in the opposite direction he made the observation that she was probably intoxicated
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he asked her if she's okay do you need some help to which the young lady which we will later know is Hannah
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replied that she was okay and did not need any help at all so then she walks away heading East on Preston Avenue
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right Hannah turned up shortly thereafter again on surveillance footage this from the Preston Avenue Shell
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Station at 12 55 am she had walked East down Preston from McGrady's the Shell station footage
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showed Hannah walking East on Preston and then making her way toward the downtown mall
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she was then seen on surveillance footage from Reed's supermarket and The Crossings apartment complex and again
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she's continuing East on Preston at this time now we're going to go to 101 a.m when
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she is seen on surveillance footage from Fellini's restaurant she's walking East on the south side of
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Market Street she turned right and walked South down 2nd Street Northwest again toward the ball so you can tell by
00:38:14
some of these movements even if you're not familiar with these these streets and you're trying to picture this in
00:38:19
your mind what you what you envision here is a young lady that's walking the streets but constantly kind
00:38:30
of turning around and and going in a very roundabout way indicating that she's either quite intoxicated and
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doesn't know where she is or she's lost and doesn't know where she is or what is
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very likely a combination of both at different points in this timeline yeah not a safe place to be now police do
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find witnesses who said that they saw someone matching Hannah's description she's at a bar
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according to the statement with a man and then Witnesses also seeing her on the street
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in the company of this same man now after that she's not seen again well I'm guessing
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from those eyewitnesses is how we get the composite sketch this is crazy Captain because I can I can remember
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you're crazy man being out somewhere and watching TV at a restaurant or something
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and they they're showing on the TV the actual they they piece together and taped together these different
00:39:33
pieces of surveillance footage right and they were showing them to the public they're like okay here here's she's seen
00:39:40
walking by herself oh and then here at some point she's seen walking with a man and we're being
00:39:47
told by witnesses that she was spotted in the company of this man not only on the street but in a bar what they're
00:39:53
telling the public with this with this surveillance footage that they splice together
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that hey we're looking for two things here John Q public we need help finding this
00:40:07
young lady she's not been seen number one and number two we need some help identifying who this man is because he
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should know where she is or or or should be able to offer us some kind of information as to what they were talking
00:40:23
about that night or where she may have gone where he last saw her right so the public is being asked to help with
00:40:31
several different items in this investigation and kudos to the police for crowdsourcing this because I think
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it really moved and furthered their investigation rather quickly rather than to hold on to
00:40:46
this information and due to that effort they were actually able to identify the mail that was with her
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yeah they're going to get some help from the public here captain and we're going to identify this individual
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as James Leroy Matthew Jr he is a 32 year old taxi driver or one-time taxi driver
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he is six foot two inches tall 270 pounds so he's a big boy I think part of the quickness to identify this
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individual is his size and stature now we have some timeline info for this guy uh for the night in question
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so September 12th to the 13th 2014 here's what we had earlier in the evening on the 12th
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Jesse Matthew coached a football game at the Covenant School then afterwards he goes out bar hopping
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and during his bar hopping Adventures he begins a pattern of physically invasive
00:41:57
and inappropriate behavior toward women that he encounters that night yeah it sounds like a real douche canoe without
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you know without dragging this out longer than it needs to be basically what he's doing Captain he's going up to
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different women he's engaging them in short conversation at the bars and then he's grabbing their
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legs their butts um won't leave them alone he's making sexually suggestive comments to them and
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and not just making them uncomfortable making them extremely uncomfortable because they are very obviously
00:42:35
not excited about his advances right they're telling hey leave us alone don't touch us you know what are you doing and
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a couple of the girls or young women that he met that night he's even you know picking them up maybe
00:42:50
he thinks he's trying to show some form of affection but people don't like to be
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just picked up especially by a large individual six foot two 270 pounds so this is a strong guy
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now responses from these women to leave them alone they're saying you know I got
00:43:10
a boyfriend I'm not interested why don't you get lost that he's unfazed by all of
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this and he sober said persistent and Relentless with his physical contact that several women they end up leaving
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the bars to avoid this guy further interaction with this dude so then he starts traveling bar to bar
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places called the lazy parrot and a place called Rapture and then a place called Blue
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Light he ended up at a establishment called Tempo where he grabbed a woman's butt she
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hit him she then hid from him but he found her and continued to harass her until somebody came along and told him
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hey buddy get lost so he closes out his tab at 103 A.M 103 A.M remember I've said it before victims
00:44:15
sometimes just get unlucky we know that her last text was sent around 1am that she was lost down town down though
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stuck down though and it's assumed that he closes out his tab at 103 walks out of the establishment
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and walks right into Hannah Graham's path so we were talking earlier because there's something very haunting when
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when you see this surveillance footage and so you see this footage of Hannah walking
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and she passes Jesse yes and Jesse almost sees the state that she's in and turns back around to follow her
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I mean it's very haunting that we we can't say for certain if that was the moment that he made a lot of
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decisions but we can guess that he did make at least one decision there so what what we have is just as the captain
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described we have Hannah who is staggering eastbound near a location called an establishment
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called Sal's Cafe this is at 221 East Main Street from there the police are going to get surveillance
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video footage that will show her walking Eastbound past Sal's at 106 A.M now on the same footage what they see is
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Jesse Matthew who walks past Hannah picture this they're going in opposite directions
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as the captain said he probably made an observation as to her State at the time and then made the decision I'm going to
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whoop turn around and go the same way follow her and approach her so on the on that footage it was released that I
00:46:14
remember seeing that they asked the people to help with you can see him walk past her turn
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around and then he starts to follow Hannah Graham and eventually Catch catches up with her
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and he doesn't snatch and grab her what he does he approaches her in what may even appear to be some kind of friendly
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manner with the gesture of putting his arm around her now what we would end up with
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we get a female witness that will come forward who says look not only did I too have an encounter with Jesse Matthew
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that same night fended him off if you will at one of the bars but I also saw that same guy
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with his arm wrapped around Hannah Graham later that night and telling police at that time Hannah
00:47:11
was visibly drunk the witness protested to uh actually approached the two of them
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and protested to Jesse Matthew saying look dude you know you were being a jerk earlier
00:47:23
and this girl you're walking with you don't know her you don't even know her and you got your arm around her right he
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tells her to shush and then the witness and her friend they decide to follow Jesse Matthew with the young woman
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Hannah Graham who would later be identified as Hannah Graham they followed the two of them out of a
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concern into that business called Tempo the The Establishment called Tempo where
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he sits down and he sits Hannah Graham down in a booth with him he buys her a drink he
00:47:59
buys himself a drink he pays for these drinks uh that really helps us later know his
00:48:05
movements because he's paying via credit card soon thereafter the witness tells her friend and this is another one
00:48:16
of those haunting situations they're commenting about what they see or what they expect
00:48:23
could happen and probably maybe even suspecting the worst but what was said to from one witness to the
00:48:34
other is quote he's going to [ __ ] her up and right after this before they know it
00:48:43
the two were gone Jesse Matthew and Hannah Graham had left the bar well again this individual's
00:48:51
intimidating he's intimidating I mean his size is is a little over six two I believe he weighs about 270
00:49:02
this is a this is a big boy what we end up seeing from surveillance footage here
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Captain is the two of them walking arm and arm proceeding north bound up Fourth Street
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and then we have footage from the red pump at 4th and Main Streets that captures them again this is this is at
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uh 1 18 A.M the next we have a male witness who sees Hannah walking ahead of Jesse Matthew on
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4th Street Matthew followed her she crossed East Market Street at the crosswalk and as she did again we got
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Matthew following her and he catches up to her again putting his arm around her they walked to a parked vehicle and
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stopped this was Jesse Matthews vehicle it's a 1998 orange Sebring the male witness continued to observe as
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the male who we now know is Jesse Matthew unlocked the passenger door and gestured to Hannah to get in who said to
00:50:04
him very loudly I'm not getting in that car with you what is it stolen to the witness Hannah sounded scared he
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proceeded toward his own parked vehicle and heard nothing else when he drove by that spot just
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seconds later the vehicle's gone and also are the two people the male who is identified as Jesse
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Matthew and then Hannah Graham [Music] join us back here in the garage same bat Time same bat Channel
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and until then be good be kind and don't litter [Music] thank you foreign [Music]