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35th President John Fitzgerald Kennedy he was shot and murdered in Dallas Texas at the young age of
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46 now we're not here to talk about that today but I'm sure we're going to end up
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talking about it at some point yeah at some point but we're going to have to spend like half a year talking about
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that well it it's this time of year and it happens every year where you start seeing you know On A and E and uh all
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the the the documentary style channels that we start seeing things coming out oh new information about the JFK
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actually the same one you watched last year we just changed it a uh so we have this every year in the
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late November just before Thanksgiving we are reminded of what took place in Dallas Texas back in the uh 60s and3
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we're reminded year after year after year um and this has been a a huge topic of much debate ever since that day in
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Dallas Texas um but today we are here to talk about Mary pincho Meyer Mary pincho
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was born October 14th 1920 in New York City New York uh she attended and graduated
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Vasser college she went on to meet cord Meyer Jr in 1944 cord had served in the United States Marine Corps during World
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War II MH and he was a bit of a war hero but as a young man he seemed to be more
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of a peace lover of someone that didn't really believe in war and it seems that maybe the Japanese attack on Pearl
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Harbor had changed him and that is when he decided to sign up for the Marines he
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fought in the Pacific War and he saw plenty of action he was wounded in War uh losing his left eye due to a grenade
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attack uh for this cord was awarded the bronze star and a Purple Heart cord and Mary were married in April of
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1945 and they would have three children all boys after the war cord began a career in writing and he was writing for
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the the Atlantic Monthly and he penned a couple of books as well even winning an
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award for his efforts well this war um World War II was different than a lot of the wars that were're involved in now
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and you know we stayed out of the war for so long um and it it was you know we were United as a country for the you
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know the majority of people really understood why we're fighting World War II well and this is why they when went
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on to become the greatest Generation you don't think like maybe the Millennials will be better uh than them no who who
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knows maybe hopefully yes I mean if this was the greatest Generation ideally you
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want our country to keep getting better and people as a whole to get better so you know let's let's uh step it up a
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little bit people um but uh going back to this the story here so while he's while he's working as an author and he
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would eventually apply for a position with the Central Intelligence a agency the CIA M uh now cord is he's an ideal
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candidate back then in the 50s for a position in the CIA right he's a decorated war hero he's very smart he's
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an Ivy Leaguer um he's the kind of people that they wanted to fill their offices with and fill these positions
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with uh Court of course gets the job and the Myers pick up and they move to Washington DC you're making it sound a
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little simpler than it was I mean yeah he applied for this position but there's no I he essentially was working for the
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CIA for a amount of time um they don't know how how long yeah there there's some discrepancy on when he actually
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officially started working for the CIA yeah so it's not as simple as well this guy applied for the CIA and then
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therefore now he's working for the CIA no at some point he was working for the CIA and then at some point the CIA made
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that official well as with the CIA wouldn't you I mean I fully believe that they fully disclose everything right
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there's no there's no mystery there so yeah of course we don't know exactly when he started but they when he
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officially started they moved to Washington DC and they are now the Myers are living near a very busy road and in
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1954 the family dog was crossing this busy Street and was struck and killed by a car now the strange foreshadowing here
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is that just two years later in 1956 the same would be the fate of cord and Mary's middle son 9-year-old Michael
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Michael was returning home with his older brother this was late in the year uh December 18th in
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1956 now this is the time of the year when you know it's very dark it gets very dark early and this was a busy
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street and it was not well lit most likely the driver never saw the young boy racing across the street uh little
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Michael was killed pretty much instantly now Mary was notified by her o by her eldest son uh who and then she run she
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runs to the scene of the accident and this kind of shows me what kind of person Mary was Mary gets to the scene
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and while she's there she Comforts the driver of the vehicle that hit her boy well this is it's interesting too
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because um one a lot of people would say well man there's conspiracy already happening right we got a we have a CIA
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official son you know hit by by a car and dies and would show some evidence of oh well maybe this is a conspiracy right
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mhm but there doesn't look that way you see what I'm saying No this this appears to be completely an accident um
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and and you know as we said it's not something that um when I say the word accident I don't say that lightly
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because we saw just two years before the the dog is hit on the same street roughly about the same time a year so
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there this is a street where maybe the only conspiracy is why isn't there street lights uhhuh well I mean it's
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also the 50s right so I mean it's a different time than didn't have street lights on every
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street but I think this is very telling of who Mary pincho Meyer was um you know
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when I had heard about this case many years ago but didn't really you know sometimes when you hear about these
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cases or or read something on something and you don't really dive into it it's hard to identify with the the people as
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people and you know once I got to dive into this case I got to see really who she was you know and she was a very she
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was very smart charismatic and an affectionate person as well um she was an she was an artist and she was a
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socialite very very involved in the um uh the different Social Circles of the time and very up to date on her uh ideas
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and beliefs um about where the world was heading and and what direction our uh government in our country should be
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heading well she was a lady you know um before her time you know she was you're exactly right you know she was uh you
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know not the typical a lot look a lot of um they they talk about this a lot in in
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the 50s you know women After High School or if they did go to college which a lot
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of them wouldn't go but they would get a job but that job was just a placeholder
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until they found a man and then they got married and then they would stay at home
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and raise their kids that was the norm mhm this was not the norm for uh Mary at all you know she she would get a job
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that she would dive into and make it into a career uh going from a bunch of different facets in her life now there
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was some trouble going on in the marriage even before the death of their son um and there was you know we
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can I don't know how much you want to get into rumors but it it sounds like when they first got married when they
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first when cord and Mary first met one another that they probably shared a lot of the same ideals and and a lot of the
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same thoughts on things we just mentioned about the direction of the world and and where our government and
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our our nation should be helping to lead in that direction um she was a big uh peace lover um and had no problem
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expressing that with with most now I said there were some trouble in the marriage and um it seems like that cord
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once he he had been working for the CIA for a while he became I don't know how much of a drinker he was beforehand but
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but the stuff that I've been reading is saying that that he was kind of changing
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a bit uh that that he was drinking more and more and of course the death of the child did not help this situation at all
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no no um before any of yeah cuz the percentage of people that can stay together after loss of a child is is
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very low mhm and uh rightfully so right yeah but yeah so now you have this guy you know the death of his
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son um but that's probably Weighing on her too but now he's in the CIA and now what is he learning in the CIA and how
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much is that affecting you know his um mental makeup and he had been involved in uh something called operation Mocking
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Bird uh um now it's unclear to me whether he was kind of the um the speculation is that he was the he was
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the head of it he spearheaded this thing like we see the work that you're doing you're doing a good job and therefore we
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want you to uh spearhead this operation yeah and he had a bit of notoriety for being in charge of this
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operation or spearheaded Okay so let's talk about whater Mocking Bird yeah yeah because I
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mean it doesn't matter hey he spearheaded this nobody cares unless there's some you know some uh it's this
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is a weird operation yeah so B here's the gist of it right okay so from my understanding that what the CIA was
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doing was they were getting in the pockets of people that were working in different areas for different newspapers
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and this way when a story would come about they might have an opportunity to skew it uh in the direction that they
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would like uh especially if they wanted something to put the CIA into a good light or or have a good ring about it so
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to say um and this may have even carried over to uh to radio and eventually TV as well
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I'm assuming uh one doesn't really know one being me the extent of this operation and how far it carried um I
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wonder you know you definitely know it was happening in Washington DC and it was probably happening in other major
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areas that being New York Chicago La things of that nature all right so but let's let's make this clear clear okay
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so one of the big conspiracies that people talk about these days mhm is this whole Illuminati right people talk about
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the Illuminati and one of one of the things that people talk mostly about the Illuminati is that they are controlling
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media and that they will also control arts and things of that nature and the overall idea uh is that if we put out
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all this dumb garbage that you'll be so consumed with dumb garbage we're not putting out this idea that you need to
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be a thinker that you need to dive into things you need to be an intellect you need to care what's going on and
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therefore if you don't really give a [ __ ] what's going on and you're just stuck on your phone all day that the
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government can do whatever the hell it wants to do and then that and the other governments can do whatever the hell
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they want to do and a lot of people will say well this idea is completely crazy right but now in the 50s we have this
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operation called operation Mockingbird and here's what it was you know to simplest
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forms it was a plan to influence domestic and foreign media so to influence domestic and foreign media
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whatever level that is um but see see how there's you would have some weight to the the conspiracy of today going all
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the way back to the 50s well and the thing we got to point out here too is this operation Mockingbird was not this
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is not a theory this happened this this absolutely happened we don't know the extent of it um and you know the
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conspiracy theorists can can run with that as much as they like but again this this did happen this was taking place
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and and you're exactly right you know it's it's the old thought that you know if you can control speech you can
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control thought and you know what if we can if we can change these stories and manipulate them any way that we choose
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just a list get started at angie.com that's ngi or download the app today mhm again their marriage was
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having some issues beforeand and um Mary had confided in cord that she had gone outside of the
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marriage um it's rumored that Court had as well but there's no hard evidence of that uh but regardless the death of his
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his son and this problem with their marriage did not help his his drinking at all and he he basically became kind
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of a mean bitter drunk um and what would end up happening is that they would get
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a divorce in 1958 cord believed that you know there's some uh journals that he kept and he had wrote in there that he
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thought that maybe the the death of their son this might reunite them so to speak that they they might you know need
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to to team up uh to get each other through this tragic event um that ended up not being the case just divorcing two
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years after the death of their son well like I mean I want to put some emphasis on the idea that you know Mary was ahead
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of her time she she wasn't going to be uh uh some lady or some female just to get married and to be her husband's
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sidekick she was not interested in that at least that's what it looks like from the out Outsiders point of
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view now it should be noted here that in 1954 the kennedies John Fitzgerald and his wife uh and one day first lady
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Jackie Kennedy they buy the house next door to the Meyers this is again in 1954 before the Myers divorced in
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1958 now this is where we get into an issue of of how big the story could be I mean
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it's a big story with lots of layers right now on the surface it has been reported that Mary pincho meire and
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Jackie Kennedy were friends and that they even took walks together mhm it's possible and maybe they took some walks
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together but the more I kept digging it sounds to me like they were not friends maybe they were friendly to one another
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but they were probably simply just acquaintances right after Mary's divorce Mary still had possession of the house
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for some time and she rented the home to a young woman who was having an affair with Mr John Kennedy uh and it's hard to
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put an exact date on it okay so they get a divorce the the Myers right yeah and she keeps the house that is next to
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JFK and then she rents it out to a lady yeah and a single lady mhm and we don't know who that lady is uh I don't
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have the lady's name but a little backstory on that is that the that Jack Kennedy had
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approached Mary and asked her if if they could rent the home now this was going to be to somebody that would fill the
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role of some form of secretary I don't know if she was a secretary to uh to JN F Kennedy but I I believe she may have
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been a secretary to Jackie actually okay and now this young woman much younger than uh Jack Kennedy at the time uh she
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she was working for them in some capacity and she was also having an affair with him right um so Mary was was
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aware of uh the things going on in and out of the Kennedy marriage there are plenty of rumors uh
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on both sides and when I say both sides I mean Mary and her Social Circle as well as JFK and his Social Circle that
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um that JFK was pursuing Mary well it seemed like JFK just sleeped with everybody uh yeah actually he is my
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father no um but he so it it's no allegedly allegedly uh and I'm going to run for
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office next year I mean he he just seems like the biggest [ __ ] of all time yeah
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he he was he was um it's tough for me because I've always I I think he was a I look you're like I looked up to him he's
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a [ __ ] no I think he was I think he was uh had the had the makings to be a great
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leader uh but probably was not a great man outside of the office no [ __ ] I mean
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he was definitely not a good husband he's a all right well let's we we all know about JFK and what he was doing but
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but there's plenty of rumor to that we can back up that he was pursuing Mary and he had an interest in her and she
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didn't she may not it's unclear if she was willing in the early you know in the early por of this but at some point and
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this would be in the year of 1961 um there's plenty of evidence to to support that an affair between Mary and
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JFK had started sometime in the year of 1961 now at this point obviously JFK is the president of the United States MH
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but and there's speculation on both sides I mean cuz this was what was so difficult to for me is trying to figure
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out I mean it was just kind of like um his side said oh yeah we think something was going on and some people that knew
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her believe it was going on I don't know how much evidence there is to prove that uh you know well if there there are
00:32:39
a few pictures that show them together which doesn't mean that right it doesn't show them having sex it shows them
00:32:46
hanging out to me this is just my gut feeling on the situation was this was a lady that was ahead ahead of her time
00:32:54
and this was a lady um that had not you know all ladies had at that time thoughts of their own but most women
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weren't capable of speaking them or or wanting to speak them um and she was and she was this
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freethinker uh artist type thinking outside the box uh some kind of revolutionary ideas and I think that was
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attractive to him and I think she was like n you don't get what you want you know you might get these other girls but
00:33:28
you don't get me yeah and that that's my gut feeling is that he was pursuing her
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and she's going eh not so much and I think you're exactly right I think that would be the appeal I mean not only is
00:33:41
she very attractive but she is she's somebody that is as smart as every man in the room you know or smarter and and
00:33:50
the other thing too just like you had said she was ahead of her time you know a lot of times when there's trouble in a
00:33:56
marriage back in the ' 50s and 60s mhm the woman the wife would usually wait around and wait for the man to divorce
00:34:04
her that was not the situation in in this case everything that I could find sound like she was the one that decided
00:34:11
hey this is when you know we're getting a divorce this marriage is not working for either of us and we're going to get
00:34:17
a divorce I'm the one calling this to action and in fact she had actually taken a trip to Europe I don't know if
00:34:23
it was for several weeks or for a month but she went off to Europe um with with the thought that you know what my
00:34:30
marriage sucks and so I'm either going to go I'm either going to go to Europe and I'm going to have a good time and
00:34:36
I'm going to get away from my husband sounds like a good time and I'm going to come back and when I come back I'm going
00:34:42
to know whether I want to remain in this marriage or not it's that that I need some time by myself to figure this thing
00:34:48
out and when she came back she's decided you know what it's not working we're we're getting a divorce which again and
00:34:55
I don't mean to harp on the this uh Point too much but in 2016 that's not that crazy of a idea I'm going to go to
00:35:03
Europe for a little bit clear my head see if I want to stay in this marriage but in the ' 50s that seems like a
00:35:11
pretty crazy idea you know yeah yeah and I mean it shows her personality it shows
00:35:16
her intelligence and to me it you know she did have she was a woman of means though you know she had she had um the
00:35:24
ability to do some of these things I'm I'm you know sure that most people whether it be men or woman would not
00:35:31
have had that opportunity back then or even today um but it does show that she is ahead of her time and again the
00:35:39
appeal that that you know cord Meyer was a in his own right a powerful man yeah you know he was he's this is not just
00:35:47
some you know some low-level dude that that she married you know he's he's a war hero he's a celebrated war hero he's
00:35:54
he's was an author and he had a high ranking job in the CIA but I know there's some debate about yeah he's the
00:36:02
original Carl but um yeah yeah and you would think that you there would be a lot of appeal uh
00:36:10
for women to want to be around this guy too a war hero uh and in in the CIA tons
00:36:17
of power money power and that goes back to why I think that she might not have been friends with Jackie Kennedy and my
00:36:26
whole thought on this is that you know time and time again when I am reviewing Mary's personality she seems to be
00:36:34
someone to me of a person of Standards high standards as well as uh you know morals and moral values you know we see
00:36:42
we see her comforting the person that accidentally killed her her her young child um and I believe that she may have
00:36:50
just known Jackie Kennedy that that that she would not have had this affair with
00:36:56
JFK had she actually been friends with Jackie you know some of the little Snippets that you will read about that's
00:37:03
that's a weird thought though well she's okay with having Affair but she's not okay with well having an affair if she's
00:37:11
friends with the with the wife but the only reason why I bring that up is because when you first glance at this
00:37:17
case if you just bring up a quick little snippet about it the the first thing they say in in in every article is sh
00:37:25
her and Jackie were friends like they they go out of their way to bring that up very early in the story and what I'm
00:37:31
getting at is when you dive into it further and you review it as a whole it doesn't really appear that she was
00:37:36
friends with Jackie Kennedy it appears like she was friends with jonath Kennedy yeah yeah yeah but it it's weird though
00:37:42
to me because it well actually there's actually proof that she's maybe not friends but she trying to influence the
00:37:52
women uh of the of the people of power the men of power in Washington she's trying to influence their wives or their
00:37:59
women or their Mistresses uh she talks and we'll talk about uh to miny Larry um later but so there is some kind of proof
00:38:09
of that but and maybe I'm dead wrong and maybe there's like some solid proof uh of this affair between uh her and her
00:38:18
and John but to me it seems like this is a guy that's pursuing her and she's saying no Noh constantly no and again I
00:38:29
could be dead wrong on that well but here's okay so there what is the proof of the affair because you know I don't I
00:38:36
don't want to go into this case wondering if that is you know is that the major topic of discussion no that's
00:38:44
that's not the major topic of discussion is her murder and and why that took place yeah and who did it yeah yeah cuz
00:38:51
at the end of the day we have this beautiful lady intelligent lady ahead of of her time connected to people of power
00:38:59
connected to the president she's connected to uh drug experimentation she's connected to the CIA and this lady
00:39:08
goes for a walk and she ends up dead we'll get to that obviously yeah but but it's unsolved to this
00:39:16
day right and I think this is where we address the the affair you know we we talked about the back and forth of it
00:39:23
however you know what is some evidence of this is this just is this just her saying that she slept with the president
00:39:29
no it's it's you know through through Decades of since the assassination there's been many authors come out with
00:39:37
books talking about this affair and the first time that we see this kind of come
00:39:42
and presented to the masses is in 1976 now this was a national inquire article right and now everybody's going oh my
00:39:49
God Nick just said that this is true because the national inquire reported on however nobody likes you anyways right
00:39:56
right but we got to keep in mind that the uh the article this is where this is how this thing gets out to the masses
00:40:04
okay um the Meyers cord and Mary Meyer were both friends with James truet and an truit now who are they well James
00:40:13
Truitt was a well-known uh writer for the Washington Post Yeah and and like we said cord Meyer wrote some articles
00:40:21
before and I believe that James Truitt either penned the article that would later be in the National inquire or he
00:40:28
he was the subject of the article um now maybe the source yeah and TR it what had
00:40:35
happened after um the death of JFK TR on occasion had gotten drunk in public and he okay and he he would kind
00:40:49
of spout off at the mouth about this affair that had been going on between JFK and uh Mary pincho Meer right and
00:40:56
and so the other thing here is that that's not just the only evidence you know because that's pretty much hearsay
00:41:03
but there's a lot of hearsay and what that is is we see many people in her Social Circles that say that this affair
00:41:11
took place and we even see people in JFK's Social Circles that say that this affair took place there are references
00:41:20
uh to Jack having said things to to other men of power in the White House you know about how fond he was of Mary
00:41:29
and how Mary might be a person that would be hard to live with because she was so forward
00:41:34
thinking yeah um and there's also could you imagine the fear of the 1950s male you know can't can't have a woman with a
00:41:45
opinion you know how hard that would be you know how hard that would be to live with I come on well and the other thing
00:41:54
is there there is evidence once JFK was in the white house why because we have the Secret Service involved who has to
00:42:01
monitor the president and his movements and in his visitors and what we see time
00:42:06
and time again in the beginning uh there was there was a visitor that was always
00:42:10
labeled as you know this would be for dinner parties or for visits to the White House to see the president
00:42:16
sometimes in closed doors and this would be David Powers Plus One well Mary pincho Meer was the plus one um and the
00:42:25
the the thing they did there was it was trying to give the illusion to whoever may be monitoring the situation that
00:42:32
David Powers was the actual visitor and his plus one was his date right um where
00:42:38
actually what we would see later and this is all recorded by the Secret Service that
00:42:44
eventually the plus one didn't drop off from David Powers visits eventually David Powers dropped off from the plus
00:42:51
On's visits and we would just start seeing Mary Meyer or Mary pincho at at this time now visiting the president on
00:42:59
her own what do you think David felt when they're like hey you don't need to show up anymore or or was he the guy
00:43:05
that said you know what I'm not I can't keep driving her around for your booty calls and I'm just sitting outside here
00:43:12
the door outside the door looking at my watch he's probably just Y and he's screaming at the White House JFK you
00:43:19
dirty [ __ ] well and I think I think at the beginning a lot of these visits were
00:43:24
for dinner parties or for dinners where you would typically have a um but you know we see over azen
00:43:32
visits uh in the short time that JFK was in the white house where Mary pincho was
00:43:38
a visitor to see JFK yeah so to further the speculation and actually more importantly to further the weight uh to
00:43:47
to provide uh validation to the this affair rumor yeah between Mary Meyer and JFK even even earlier this year we saw
00:43:59
better proof of that right there was a an unsent letter that was discovered yeah so in June of this year uh it was
00:44:07
auctioned off for just under $89,000 that's a lot of rolling papers that is that is a lot of a cheda for a
00:44:18
unsent letter yeah and so this how does this come about this was this was uh stored by JFK secretary in a in a safe
00:44:28
somewhere um and it was never sent to Mary pincho but uh it was thought to be written for her yeah so the idea was
00:44:39
roughly about a month before JFK's assassination in 1963 uh he wrote this letter uh it was
00:44:47
on um president letterhead or White House letterhead uh that letter that the letterhead was actually cut off they
00:44:56
believe that like um you know if he'd sent a private message and he didn't want like some backtrack right you know
00:45:03
we can't backtrack it to him now a lot of people then speculate well okay one why wasn't it sent CU it was never sent
00:45:13
um and was it actually from uh John F Kennedy they did a wa Watermark test based on his pen uh I think they had the
00:45:23
like old school like dipping pins or the fountain pins or and so they could tell
00:45:26
that it was his Watermark which was interesting so let's just dive into this letter a little bit okay so this is what
00:45:33
it reads so it's a four page note basically yeah yeah it's not not super long and some have deemed this as a
00:45:42
almost begging letter to mistress right so why don't you read read what what is believed that JFK wrote and if you look
00:45:50
this up on the Internet I'll try to post pictures on Instagram about this and and
00:45:55
you can find those on the website as well uh just so you can see it it is I could not like I had to look up a
00:46:01
transcription of this because it was so hard to read I mean Not only was he a dirty [ __ ] but I mean he couldn't his
00:46:08
penmanship was awful um okay so it says uh why don't you leave Suburbia for once come and see me or maybe I should
00:46:20
read it like this be like bar white uh okay why don't uh why don't you leave Suburbia for once
00:46:28
come and see me either here or at the cape uh next week or in Boston the 19th I know it is unwise rational and that
00:46:40
you may hate it on the other hand you may not and I will love it you say it is good for me not to get what I want after
00:46:50
all these years you should give me a more loving answer than that why don't you just say
00:46:58
yes now some people say it's a love letter and he just he just signed it J with the letter j yo
00:47:06
J well and it could be a love letter I mean there the not only the thought was that there was this affair between the
00:47:13
two of them sounds like a very insensitive love letter if it's a love letter it was not like you know you
00:47:18
smell so good I love your hair yeah but I like to cuddle with you but again let's think of Mary's personality I like
00:47:25
to be big spoon if you'd be little spoon do you think Mary would even bother with
00:47:29
a with a person that would write things like that I think that she I don't know I think you have a better chance than
00:47:35
riding that dog [ __ ] well he's just asking her to come and visit him no basically what he's saying is like look
00:47:42
I know you might not like it I know it's unwise and irrational but it's a booty letter that's all it is come see me
00:47:52
here's an option here's an option I'm not going to put that much time time and effort I am going to put two paragraphs
00:48:00
on four pages what do you think that is if you have you have two paragraphs and you put it on four
00:48:10
pages it's because you had nothing to say and so you wanted to put four you see what I'm saying mhm like I have
00:48:18
nothing to say to you so to make it seem like it's more important I put it on more pages I write bigger what do you
00:48:25
think think it was maybe it was just going to be a one note I think he was drunk I think he was drunk and thinking
00:48:32
man that that Mary Meer she is she is so sexy with her thoughts and opinions but
00:48:38
again regardless of your opinion of it being a booty letter or whatever it it there is thought there that with this
00:48:46
affair that this was not just an affair for JFK you know we knew he had many trist and many things outside of the uh
00:48:55
many indiscretions outside of his marriage and but the thought was by his friends by the people that knew him best
00:49:04
um that that this was somebody that he actually had a an emotional relationship with well and look that might be the
00:49:12
case I'm just saying that that letter has no proof of that there's not like I love you it doesn't there's no nothing
00:49:19
complimentary in the letter right nothing at all there's not one thing that's complimentary I can agree with
00:49:26
that but again I think I think there are some things to point out that he may have been he may have been in love with
00:49:33
her in some fashion more so than you know where these some of these other Affairs were just yeah but that's what
00:49:42
I'm that's that's what I'm saying so frustrating about history in general or cases in general is when they go well he
00:49:50
he loved her okay where's the proof well we got this love letter and then you read the love letter and it's not a love
00:49:56
letter that's that's my problem with it well where's the proof oh well his friend said so and then we got this love
00:50:02
letter it's not a love letter it's like I said there is nothing remotely complimentary there at all I agree but
00:50:10
what I'm saying is that the the the level of their relationship is important to Mary's story to to her murder because
00:50:22
the the thought is that if there if her murder was some kind of conspiracy right
00:50:28
that she would have had to just been something more than a flank that that she would have for for an organization
00:50:35
or a group of people to conspire to murder her and cover it up it's because she had to have known something that
00:50:43
that others didn't and you talked about how how big of a of a [ __ ] JFK was let's say right so so then there should
00:50:53
be women dropping Dead all over the United States if if there if there's not something more right but I think that's
00:50:59
I I think that kind of talk and that kind of speculation is very dismissive to who Mary Meyer was it's dismissive to
00:51:06
say well if there is a conspiracy if there is something more to her murder that she had to be in love with JFK or
00:51:13
JFK had to be in love with her and it could have just been a fling or something that happened when she was
00:51:19
drunken that maybe she didn't want when she was sober look so I think that minimalizes her here here here's what it
00:51:27
was she is married to a CIA right high high official in CIA project Maring uh Mockingbird lives next to
00:51:37
JFK is and then and we're not even talking about the Timothy lry stuff I think she knew a bunch of people
00:51:44
in the Inner Circle oh without a doubt and she was a woman of power so that that's all the The Conspiracy Theory you
00:51:51
need to know so the the fact if if JFK was in love love with her does not define her story you know you see what
00:52:00
I'm saying no but it adds chapters to her story no yeah I get that but the thing I but what I'm saying is if that
00:52:07
we just assume like all I'm saying is maybe they had a fair who cares if they're in love it doesn't matter you
00:52:13
know the fact the facts are that this person Mary Meyer knew a bunch of people of power she was trying to influence
00:52:22
other people with her ideas this President is assassinated tons of conspiracy there a year
00:52:32
later right about a year later the warrant commission comes out has their findings and a couple
00:52:39
weeks later this lady is murdered mhm all I'm saying is that minimizes her as a person if it's like oh well we we have
00:52:48
to we have to prove that he loved her or something to make her story valuable no but we we don't have to prove that he
00:52:57
loved her what we what we have to prove is that whether or not her murder was just a just a random act of violence
00:53:06
right that we see every day in the newspapers or if it was a something organized and put together by a a group
00:53:14
of people and if it were to be that the second that she would have had to have known something known somebody or said
00:53:23
something that would would have that cause and effect um and and you're right though
00:53:30
you you did you did lead on to something there that I like maybe maybe her death
00:53:36
wasn't an attempt to cover up something she knew from JFK maybe it was an attempt to cover up something she knew
00:53:43
about the CIA from things that she knew from being married to somebody in the CIA right but we we should get into um
00:53:52
the day of her death now this is um October 12th 1964 now at the time Mary had she had
00:54:01
moved on she wasn't living in the home that that was you know formerly next to the Kennedy's old home um and she was
00:54:10
working as an artist and she had a studio and she would typically go in and do her work do her Studio work and she
00:54:18
would leave around lunchtime around noon every day and she would take a take a somewhat lengthy walk
00:54:25
and this was you know if the weather was good she did this every day yeah she's primarily a painter mhm so she goes out
00:54:32
for her walk and this is on near the uh Chesapeake in Ohio Canal um and there's a toe path down there and she would go
00:54:41
down there for her walk and she's still in Washington DC mhm and around um noon time this is around noon time but to
00:54:51
tell the story prop properly we have to introduce a new character now this is Henry Wiggins Henry Wiggins
00:54:58
is a tow truck driver and Henry Wiggins has an assistant his name is Bill branch
00:55:04
and the two of them are called to the 4300 block of Canal Road and they are going there to fix a stalled vehicle
00:55:12
this is a Nash Rambler they arrive approximately at 12:20 p.m. again this is Monday October 12 1964 now less than
00:55:22
one minute after they arrive Henry Wiggins he hears the screams of a woman and he hears these for approximately he
00:55:31
says 20 seconds now is it just are the screams saying anything or is it just you know yeah I he he says that he had
00:55:40
heard uh you know someone help me please help me something of that nature right and so he decides to run towards the
00:55:48
danger right uh he he hears these screams for about 20 seconds which is followed by a gun shot okay now
00:55:56
approximately 10 to 20 seconds later this is while Henry Wiggins is running toward Canal he's Crossing Canal Road
00:56:05
and he's running toward um where he's hearing these screams in The Gunshot so 10 or 20 seconds after the first gunshot
00:56:12
he hears a second gunshot at this point Wiggins approaches what what has been referred to as the
00:56:19
lower wall and he gets up on this wall and he peers over and what what he says he sees is he sees an African-American
00:56:28
man standing over what appears to be the dead body of a woman uhhuh and he identifies um the you know the clothing
00:56:39
that he sees this African American man wearing he says that he sees the man wearing a dark um I want to say ball cap
00:56:48
but it's wearing a dark hat with a light colored beige um long sleeve jacket and dark pants and dark shoes M um well
00:56:59
this is 64 to so ball caps would be less likely yeah right yeah I just always call them ball caps right um but uh this
00:57:07
is a you know hat with a with a bill good job good job thanks and uh he says that he sees this man standing over
00:57:16
the dead body of a woman now he says that the band doesn't seem to be like you know he he doesn't seem to be doing
00:57:24
anything other than standing there the man's arms are down to his sides right and no gun in the hand or anything he
00:57:30
says that he saw something dark in the man's hand right but and the man turns and looks at him now at this point Henry
00:57:38
Wiggins is a little more than 100 feet away from from the man and from the body okay and he sees Henry Wiggins and he
00:57:47
doesn't like take off in a Sprint he just kind of briskly walks away um and at this point Henry Wiggins he
00:57:55
he gets down because he's he's worried now that the man has seen him and he may come after him um so it's it's phoned in
00:58:04
that uh that there has been an attack and very quickly within minutes the the police department arrive on the scene
00:58:14
and they are quick to close off the the exits and entrances to this toe path you
00:58:21
would have to take uh you know sets of stairs to get down there there and they they block off all of these entrances
00:58:28
and exits and during the course of this time they have sent out the description of the man that they are looking for
00:58:37
they are looking for an African-American man wearing a do dark hat dark trousers
00:58:41
and a and a light colored jacket so this is within just about 10 minutes to 15 minutes of the of when the
00:58:50
gunshots are originally heard now the police are searching the area and they've they've supposedly got
00:58:58
it all blocked off right and so if the Killer is still in the area he's got no room to escape he he's he's trapped and
00:59:07
they're going to find him they're going to find him if he's still there yeah yeah well they they locate a man uh
00:59:15
approximately a little after 1:00 this is might even be closer to 115 they locate a man who is matching the
00:59:23
description somewhat of the man that they are looking for the man that they see is a African-American man he has um
00:59:32
similar clothes that was described in the call now the man approaches the police officer the crazy thing here is
00:59:42
though this man is soaking wet uh I guess it's not that crazy because they are near the water right but I mean he's
00:59:49
he's soaking wet to the point of when the the officer asked the man to identify himself he says that I am Ray
00:59:56
Crump and not only that he pulls out his wallet to produce his identification and
01:00:02
when he does that the the officer sees water noticeably dripping from the man's wallet I mean he was he was soaked yeah
01:00:12
and why is he soaked uh well that's that's what the police want to know the other thing here too is the officer
01:00:19
notices that the man's zipper on his pants is down or his fly is open um now here's the thing they ask him where he
01:00:29
is you know where he was and what he's been doing um for the past hour and he he says that I that he was fishing yeah
01:00:39
and he had he was falling asleep on one of the rocks and because he was down there drinking and fishing and at some
01:00:47
point he had fallen asleep and fallen into the water and now the officer asked him you know where where is your fishing
01:00:55
gear you know where's your rod and reel and your tackle box and he says well I don't have any of that because all of
01:01:01
that fell into the water as well and I was not able to to retrieve that and the main look you could go fishing with just
01:01:09
a pole so the the main thing is my pole is in the water right and the officer does he ask the uh man to take him to
01:01:20
where he was fishing so that he could help him retrieve the fishing rod they go down to the Rock and and Ray
01:01:28
Crump says you know this is where I was and um you know this is where i' had fallen in and they look and they don't
01:01:34
see any obvious signs of a fishing rod um the man is arrested yeah well I think I think the
01:01:44
cop was going hey show me this spot show me where you fell in the water cuz that's pretty odd and keep in mind he's
01:01:52
being arrested because you know one his story isn't matching it isn't adding up to the
01:01:59
officer first of all and second of all he matches the description of the man that they were looking for now at this
01:02:06
point though he is minus he is minus a coat he he's minus the jacket and minus a hat um so they arrest this Mr Crump
01:02:19
and the the thing here though is this is where we immediately start to see some discrepancies and the description of the
01:02:28
man that they went looking for right and the man that they have in custody well and the man they're looking for we don't
01:02:35
know if that is the killer we just were looking for the guy that the tow tuck the tow truck
01:02:43
driver um saw standing over Mary's body yes and in a more complete description of the man that that uh Henry Wiggins
01:02:52
had seen standing over the dead woman's body is he had seen an African-American man uh between the height of 5'8 and 5'
01:03:01
10 in tall approximately 185 lbs wearing a dark plaid cap Light Beige jacket dark
01:03:08
trousers and dark shoes now Ray Crump according to his driver's license or to his identification is 5' 32 in and he
01:03:18
weighs 130 lb soaking wet 5' 3 5' 3 and2 in that's a tiny man mhm um when he is arrested they do note
01:03:31
that he uh they list him at 5'5 and2 in apparently he was wearing um shoes that he was wearing lifts basically like so
01:03:42
he would appear to be of a more uh normal height let's say um and he would he may have been closer to 140 lb at
01:03:50
that time so police believe that they have their man right and the coroner report is going to note that the the
01:04:00
dead body the dead woman that was found near the toe path was that of Mary pincho and she had been shot twice she'd
01:04:08
been shot once in the head and once in the back now the thing about the the shot that went in her back was that it
01:04:16
was angled out a way that it pretty much severed her uh aorta and she was she had
01:04:23
been killed practically instantly you know so she's not you know you heard the screams she's
01:04:29
attacked she's shot according to Henry Wigan she's shot within 10 seconds or 20 seconds of of each shot and you know
01:04:38
she's not able to provide the police with anything once they arrive because she's already passed after arresting Mr
01:04:45
Crump the the police continue to search the area um they are now looking for his
01:04:52
dark cap and his jacket uh they are able to locate items that match the these descriptions um however what they're not
01:05:04
able to find is a gun right uh and they never would recover a gun they would spend lots of time and lots of effort
01:05:12
down there looking for the murder weapon this is never retrieved yeah the where do they find these you know
01:05:22
where do they find the cap and the jacket do they say where yeah um I believe one of the items I believe it
01:05:29
was the jacket they were looking for in the water right um and Crumpet said that
01:05:34
he had lost it in the water or assumed that it had gone into the water and that was located in the water um now the cap
01:05:41
I believe was found on on the ground and it was found um not near the actual murder scene uh but it was found uh
01:05:51
closer to where he had said that he he he was fishing right now they did they did a hair sample to determine that this
01:05:59
was in fact his cap so he was wearing a hat that day um and this jacket was most
01:06:05
likely his um the the thing here is though there's no gun found right and one thing that the police did not do is
01:06:14
they did not conduct any tests to determine if Crump had fired a a gun that day um the reason being is they are
01:06:22
saying that that was not necessary because when they found him he's soaking wet um and this this would make the the
01:06:31
test appear to be negative regardless of the actual truth um yeah uh they should
01:06:39
have done the test you're exactly right because because they even found that if you uh you know even if you shower even
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if you you know use soap and all that stuff that it normally this test still is positive if you shot a gun that day
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and you're exactly right and that's why they should have conducted the test because you know the masses know
01:07:01
generally now more about how these procedures work and and the things that you should do when when a crime is
01:07:08
committed and when you're investigating it I think back then it might have been a little easier to kind of just tell
01:07:14
well we didn't do this because of this and the the general public may not know any better to question it again uh but
01:07:19
you're exactly right there have been plenty of people that have suggested and and said that you know we found that
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even after someone has fired a gun they could wash their hands a dozen times yeah and we're still able to detect the
01:07:33
firing of a weapon about 24 hours after the crime was committed and after the arrest of Ray Crump Jr a man uh
01:07:43
identifying himself as Army Lieutenant William Mitchell goes to the police this is October 13 1964 he goes to the police
01:07:51
and he says that he was running he was a jogger and he would normally take a run
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and he had run past Mary Meyer uh on the CNO Canal path top path in Georgetown this is just a short time before her
01:08:05
murder uh he claims that he had seen an African-American man matching the description of Ray Crump Jr who had
01:08:14
already been arrested the day before uh that this man was following Mary um this
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this would add to um the the police already you know this would bolster their speculation that Ray Crump Jr was
01:08:31
in fact guilty of of the death of Mary pincho Meer right what do we have here Captain we have we have a a woman age 43
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2 days before her birthday on October 12th 194 beautiful lady that's right respected woman mother artist she goes
01:08:51
out takes a break from work as she nor normally would do every day of the week and go for a long walk maybe to catch
01:08:58
some fresh air or some inspiration for her art and during that that walk she is attacked she's shot twice uh according
01:09:07
to the coroner report she's drugg about 25 ft well she dies in dies instantly and dies instantly um shot in the head
01:09:15
shot in the back dies instantly and the police block off the area after receiving the call from uh the tow truck
01:09:24
driver and now they are pursuing an African-American man they locate this man named Ray Crump junor who is he's
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wet right he's wet soggy dog his flies undone his his story does not match up he's saying that he got drunk while he
01:09:43
was fishing alone fell asleep on the rocks and fell into the water um now we have him in custody and we have um a man
01:09:53
that comes for saying that he saw Crump or a man matching crump's uh description
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following Mary Meyer just shortly before her death now this is a murder case that
01:10:04
would go on to be covered by many different people uh time and time again uh for decades and well her connection
01:10:12
with the president but also with her connection with the higher ups in Washington and not not
01:10:19
only that her strange murder and the you know if if that's where if that where this story left off then or I mean if
01:10:26
that's where this story ended right here this story wouldn't have been uh covered
01:10:31
by so many different people for years there's a lot more to this and what's going to come out in the trial is very
01:10:36
interesting you're going You're Going to Hear reasons why the prosecution say that Ray Crump Jr is guilty and there
01:10:43
are some Curious reasons why he might just be innocent of this crime all right we'll cover that in part two do we have
01:10:50
a recommended reading we do have a recommended reading let me dig through my notes here this week's recommended
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reading we have Mary's Mosaic uh this is the cia's conspiracy to murder John F Kennedy Mary pincho Meyer and their
01:11:06
vision for World Peace this is by Peter Janney uh and this was originally published in 2012 so it's pretty fresh
01:11:14
stuff uh but there has been a more updated version which does include new evidence and neverbe seen government
01:11:21
documents to further corroborate this The Conspiracy to assassinate JFK and Mary pincho Meyer and Peter Janney
01:11:29
actually knew uh Mary Meer uh he was friends with um with her son that was killed in the car accident um so very
01:11:40
interesting reading child childhood friend of her son yeah of Michael Meer now so you can pick that up by going to
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01:12:34
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