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2021 I hope everybody's strapped in and ready to rock for 2022 we're going to revisit something
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that we've done here a couple of times in the garage we've done this three times that I can count here Captain so
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for those of you keeping score at home you let me know if the Colonel's right or wrong let me know I counted two and a
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half exactly right or incredibly wrong so today what we are going to do is we are going to list for you what we are
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calling the mustat True Crime for 2021 now that does not mean that these came out in this last year it's just our
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addition to our previous episode so the caveat was that they couldn't be on one of your previous list yes and so here's
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the thing we want to make sure we point out right from Jump Street here that if we are going through our list and you go
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well these guys are idiots nobody's arguing that we've heard it before what we are arguing is that we're not idiots
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because something you really liked watching didn't make it on today's show that is because again this is the fourth
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time that we're doing this so whatever you loved watching either a we disagreed with you or B it's already on one of our
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lists so I recommend if you haven't already go back and check out some of those old episodes and they are the
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Halloween episode from 2016 we have a mustsee true crime episode that's number 197 from April of
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2018 and then in 2020 in August we did must watch True Crime episode number 420 that was a way to celebrate 420 that's
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for sure so go back and check out those and see if you agree with our overall list in today we're going to add to
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those wonderful list that we've already created well and we were supposed to have the week off and I was so excited I
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was going to go skiing but the colonel said no it's time to fire up that garage ship and get back in the garage so let's
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kick this thing off right number five that's right Captain I said here in the garage we don't take weeks off maybe
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maybe that's cool and Kosher for other True Crime podcasts but here at the garage we do double duty my friend we
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lazy shows we we work every week and we work twice as hard every week that's right
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all right so with that with that attab boy that we just gave ourselves my number five and I think you're asking me
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to start here Captain kick it off my number five is titled the most dangerous animal of all searching for my father
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and finding the Zodiac Killer now this is actually from a book that was released in May of 2014 by Gary Stewart
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and the book is well written and the case is well laid out and the case being his argument that his father was the
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infamous Zodiac Killer well this became a four-part FX documentary miniseries that was released I think it was 2020 it
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may have been 2021 I failed to put that in my notes Here Captain but good job loser the general premise is this uh it
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does come from a New York Times bestseller book it is in the True Crime category it's really like an emotional
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powerful Journey that this man takes to find his long lost father and once he figures
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out who his actual father is his birth father is he starts to suspect that maybe that same guy could be the still
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at large serial killers in America the Zodiac Killer now I do want to throw this out there though while I don't
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agree with Gary Stewart's theory that his father is the Zodiac he does certainly make some compelling arguments
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along the way and there are people that debate him what's cool about the show is
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they openly debate Gary Stewart at times during the show they're not just trying
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to sell you this like a lot of times a docu series or some of these shows will come up with their Theory and they're
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just going to beat it into your head until you believe them they want you to walk away from the experience and go
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well they somebody finally got it right we've been arguing about this well not arguing against each other but we we've
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been talking [ __ ] about this for years some of these documentaries they'll flat
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out just lie about stuff just to try to get their point across and purposely leave things out to sway you one way or
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the other here I like that they kind of openly debated I think it adds to The credibility of what I'm watching and
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what was interesting for me I watched this Captain shortly before we did our zodiac episodes and it wasn't so much
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for research it was more of a okay let's make sure we didn't miss something here
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let's make sure that Gary Stewart's Theory you know I wanted to confirm or at least for self-confirmation of if I
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believed Gary Stewart or not I believe here's what I believe at the end of the day that you can fly Gary Stewart firmly
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believes that his father is the Zodiac Killer and I commend him for putting together such an interesting book I
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don't really agree with the Theory the show is incredibly interesting and it goes by anybody that's a fan of anything
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zodiac should check this out and again go into it with the idea of I can still like this and not agree with the theory
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yeah there's a lot of great facts as they pertain to the Zodiac case and there's a lot of interesting ways that
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he points out that his father is the killer but unfortunately Gary will not be he's not the first person nor will he
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be the last to come out and tell us that his father or a relative of theirs is in
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fact the Zod zodiac yeah I mean I I I told people for years that my father was the Zodiac but he he's not good at
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writing code so that's yeah and he would have been about from my math I'm guessing he would have been about 12 or
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13 yeah at the time so strong for pretty nasty teenager yeah strong for his age well and again this so your number five
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kind of ties to my number five a little bit in the sense that and we've been learning this for the last 5 years you
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can only get so much information from a news article or if if there's one or two sources that have
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covered a case sometimes when we're able to talk to the family members of the victims we're getting a whole different
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perspective of the case and in this case you have somebody looking into this huge
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colossal case but from the perspective of I believe my father is the killer the documentary that I'm picking for number
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five is American Tragedy it's Sue Cleo I hope I'm saying that right I I think I say it wrong it's it's her talking about
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her son became one of the killers in the Coline Massacre she affectionately referred to her son as Sunshine boy and
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so it's basically when a mass shooting happens the first thing we're going is what what was this person's home life
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like how were they raised where were their parents it's it's a look from that perspective and and it's very
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interesting and and I think it took her a lot and I I applaud her for for telling her story I think that's a
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fantastic pick there Captain really interesting stuff and I know that she's been active over the years when she felt
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that it was okay to kind of come out and and flesh out the story a little bit because there is just that huge
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nagging question of why why why why in this situation and she offers up her her perspective on that and I know that
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she's been I know that she's put out some books or at least a book over the years so uh kudos to her and a fine pick
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by you there Captain for my number four I went with a Wilderness of error so this again is me going back to the well
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this is FX as well just like my fifth pick but A wilderness of error the trials of Jeffrey
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McDonald this again is from a book by one of my favorits uh maybe not one of my favorite True Crime authors but one
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of my favorite True Crime documentary makers that's Earl Morris who we've talked about on the show before because
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he is responsible for one of the best true crime documentaries in my opinion The Thin Blue Line so his book was
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published in September of 2012 and basically it's a lot similar to True Crime addict from James rener where
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a large portion of the book is him discussing his Fascination and obsession with the Jeffrey McDonald case now
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Jeffrey McDonald is a case that we covered here in True Crime garage uh it's the case of Jeffrey McDonald the
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Green Beret physician accused of killing his wife and two daughters at their home
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in Fort Bragg on February 17th of 1970 he eventually was convicted of the crime and he is claimed innocence the
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entire time uh he's been in a federal prison since 1982 now A wilderness of error was a
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five-part television series based off of the book that first aired on September 25th of
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2020 and I thought this was incredibly fascinating I thought it was really well put together I liked the
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dramatization that they put together on the case I liked that they again this was more of a
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debate of did Jeffrey McDonald kill his family or not they didn't come up with their Theory and you know really try to
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hit it home for you they presented reasons why he may be guilty and reasons why he may be
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innocent and they got some of the good information for him being guilty from the old book fatal vision that we talked
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about when we covered the McDonald case here yeah now one thing that I found really interesting is that Earl Morris
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who I believe to be an incredibly brilliant and smart individual he seems to think that Jeffrey McDonald is
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innocent and he's he just struggles so hard and I think he has an understanding that not only do the courts disagree
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with him but the general public as a whole seem to disagree with that idea I know there's a lot of people that have
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argued his innocence over the years and there's there's a good a good foundation
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of people out there that believe him to be innocent but I just found it interesting that that such a smart
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individual brilliant individual such as Earl Morris is struggling with with what I think is
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kind of an open and shut case well sometimes your thoughts and opinions come from your gut and sometimes they
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come from your butt there are a couple cases that we've covered in the past that my gut filling
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has leaned towards maybe opinions that are not popular in the True Crime World um I I won't mention those cuz
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I'll get a bunch of hate mail but there's there's certain cases where there's little details that I can't get
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over even though the overwhelming evidence maybe points towards their innocence so kind of see where somebody
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could get wrapped up in that well I think it's key too here again another situation you don't have to agree with
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the person making the film to enjoy the miniseries or the docu series or respect the information that they're
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giving out in the case at the end of the day this is still a brilliant docu series that's incredibly fascinating
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it's so very I cannot explain the the wonderful quality of of everything from the cinematography to the to the choice
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of languages and uh the the narratives throughout it's it's really well put together and you would expect nothing
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less than near Perfection from somebody like uh Mr moris well I'm just going to get this out of the way on my list I I
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believe the majority of them are actually one parters just maybe 90 minutes long I found that a lot of the
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documentaries that have come out that are multiple series I I think once making a murder was such a hit on
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Netflix and the staircase was such a hit I believe the staircase was originally on HBO or like the Jinx was such a hit
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or or the staircase was such a hit I think a lot of these production companies were looking for the next docu
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series that was going to be huge when some of these docu series would have been way better off if they would have
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just did a one party or a two-parter so my number four is John Wayne gasy Devil in Disguise now the first one that I
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told you about the American Tragedy I watched that on Prime Amazon Prime the John Wayne gasy Devil in Disguise I
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watch that on Netflix and it's all based around an interview that he did and I could see some people watching this
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going well this is kind of lazy a lot of the the clips and a lot of the information
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they're giving us is from this John Wayne gy interview that he did before he was put to death but but I think it's
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again to get the full scale of any of these cases or these killers or these profiles this is definitely one way to
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do it is to hear from the horse's mouth or in this case the Devil's Mouth mhm that's one that I've not seen yet
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captain and I have it on my list of must see True Crime for me so I I appreciate
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you bringing that back to my attention well I appreciate you because I just wrote down your first two because they
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were not even I have not seen those yet so good thing we have nothing to read because we have things to watch yeah
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that's right so number three number three on mine and this is a bit of a stray from the traditional True Crime
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stuff that would typically fall on my list I'm going with a single episode of dine and it's from season 29 and it's
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episode 59 it's the Amy mahalic dat line that's titled what happened to Amy it came out
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September 17th 2021 if anyone wants to figure out how to go back and retroactively watch that the reason why
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this makes my list and makes it so high up on the list was this is this is a story that I obviously know very well
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and a case that I know very well and I knew I had heard some Rumblings that date was in the Bay Village Ohio area
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and putting together a piece on the Amy mahalic case now the Amy mahalic case is
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from 1989 her body was found in 1990 so thanks for getting around to it dline but um what I was worried about with
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that with that rumor was two things one it's a little late to the Ball Game and two will I learn anything because when I
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know a case this well off often I'll tune into something and there's nothing no gain for me
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here they smarty pants here well I mean I'm not claiming that with every case but I would be it would be just flat out
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wrong for me to tell you otherwise in the Amy case well and sometimes with the DAT lines and and some of the hourlong
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TV shows it's like you you hear about 10 15 minutes of information and then back
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from commercial break let's repeat half that information tell you another little
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nugget come back from commercial break repeat all that information again and then tell you a nugget and basically
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you're like if you would have just summed this up in 10 minutes we we could have got through this well and yes and
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dat line is going to do an hour or two episode on a case that we've done episodes here in the garage on the same
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case and done more than 5 hours of material so thinking that I'm going to learn something in a shorter version of
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what we've done here in the garage doesn't seem likely now I don't know how much I learned or gained from the
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episode itself but what was great is just how well it was done and how well it was put together I think it's one of
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the the finer versions of the Amy mahalic case and in somewhat of a shorter format because even if it's a
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two-hour long episode which I believe it was once you factor in the commercial breaks you're really at about an hour
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and 20 minutes and so this case if any of our listeners are clueless for some Bizarro reason it's the 10-year-old Amy
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mahalic who was abducted in Bay Village Ohio and then her body wasn't found until months later and it's a still
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unsolved case and it's one of the most infamous cases from Northeast Ohio and one that really refuses to go anywhere
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and I'm very thankful for that because I think that that's how this thing will eventually get solved but again that was
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Dateline uh for this most recent season episode number 59 from season 29 and it's titled what happened to Amy one
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thing that I thought was absolutely brilliant that they typically don't do on Dat line so take everybody a little
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bit behind the scenes here while dat line and what is it 48h hour Myster or uh there's a few different there's
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there's three of the major shows that are on the big networks that air usually once if not twice a week and they're
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typically covering a case a true crime case now those three shows are watched by millions and millions of people
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they're very popular shows and that's why they're on the major networks I typically don't watch those I
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typically don't watch dat line it's just not my cup of tea there's so much True Crime out there and so many different
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ways to digest the information and get the information dat Line's not at the top of
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my list I only have so much time right yeah so to consume the information now one thing but you also like really deep
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Dives and and as long as I've known you you you've like to Deep dive into an author writing about the case yeah cuz
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that's really sorry people but that's really the only way to Deep dive into it um there there's just not much to gain
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from a 40 45 minute episode on a case in most cases so right but hey but it gives
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you a it does give you kind of um the lay of the land and it and then I think what D line does a good
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job of is it can um spark your interest in a case but you quickly learn even on your first Google search that you now
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know as much as the the show just told you in in an hourong show yeah and I didn't have to sit through uh 15 20
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minutes of commercial breaks but all three of those major shows while I'm not a regular Watcher or viewer of those
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shows right I do record them every week because I don't want to find out after the fact that they covered a case that
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either a we covered or B we're going to cover and then I have difficulty locating where to watch that episode so
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I record them all and then I go back and look through them and delete them as needed or save or watch them as needed
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the mahalic episode what happened to Amy I happened to be home it was a Friday night I happened to be home on that
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Friday night and I get a text from a friend of mine and it didn't give any details at all all it said was I'm not
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going to see you on this episode am I and I thought of course what jumped in my mind I was like well this must be
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something true crime and if I had to guess that means somebody is doing the Amy mahalic case yeah if they're going
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to see your ugly face it'll probably be connected to this case and so I thought you know what I'll flip over and see
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what's what's recording on those shows and see if somebody's doing aming because again I heard Rumblings that
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they were up there taping now I heard Rumblings that they were up there filming a year or so before this episode
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came out MH and so I tuned in and I'm like oh of course D Line's finally releasing the Amy mahalic episode and I
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thought I'll tune in for a little bit and I'm sure I'll get bored of it and I'll find something else to watch nope
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didn't tune out at any point I I made it all the way through in one sitting and I
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thought that one thing that was interesting and very different from what they typically do is later in their
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coverage of Amy's case they were they were constantly putting the the information tip hotline number at the
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bottom of the screen which you don't typically see them do that on Dayton Dateline now half the time they're well
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the majority of the time they're covering a case that's already solved so it's it's not necessary but I loved the
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way that they did it I thought they tell the story very well I thought that they
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had Phil torney and they had uh spel they had all the key players that they needed to tell the story in its best
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form and they really knocked it out of the park and I loved that they kept including the tip hotline number for
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anybody that may have any information even all of these years later my only problem with that and one of the reasons
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on my list is it didn't feature you well you're the first to make that [Music] complaint this show is sponsored by
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ready to celebrate the new year new year same old us that's right Cheers Cheers somebody asked me when do you think
00:29:20
you'll stop I go well I said in my mind that we're going to do a th000 episodes so we're at least going to get there
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whether I have to drag you kicking and screaming we'll get there cheers to you Colonel cheers to you Captain so number
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three my number three and I have to a little bit of a reason why I I have not heard from anybody about this docu
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series normally people say hey watch this check this out it was good hey have you seen this no if you haven't Don't
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Waste Your Time stuff like that but the Ripper series it was a four-part series about the Yorkshire Ripper this came out
00:30:04
last year right before Christmas so perfect time to put out a docu series because it's going to hit during the
00:30:10
Christmas holidays when people have time and they're sitting around and they're they're either watching a a
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horrifying Hallmark Christmas movie or they're watching a horrifying True Crime Dock and I I I found this to be very
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interesting but I SP spent about a month around last Christmas in England so the
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reason why I say watch at your own risk is I don't know it was my first time being in Europe so I don't know if them
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talking about the air that area obviously because it's a it's a British case I don't know if that played into my
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enjoyment of the docu series if that makes any sense certainly makes some sense to me that case is very
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interesting and I love the way that uh criminal profiling really played a big role in the detection and apprehension
00:31:06
of the Yorkshire Ripper well and what was interesting as I was watching it like I was going sightseeing and seeing
00:31:13
different towns and Villages and stuff like that and then i' go home at night and you know pop on episode two and they
00:31:19
they'd be talking about some part of town that I was just in to see just how how how much things evolve from the late
00:31:27
7s to 80s to to when I was visiting just last year so yeah it's a four-part docu
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series it's my number three on the list number two Colonel number two and I went
00:31:42
with dirty John season 2 which is Eight Episodes and I know it from Netflix but I did a little snooping and it sounds
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like it actually came out in May of 2020 first on on the USA Network so I watched
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it on Netflix and this one is really surprising for me and what I mean by that is that I had zero interest in
00:32:08
watching this mhm but I I started watching it uh doesn't like the dirty John well I don't know that but uh I
00:32:17
just I had zero interest in watching it MH nothing compelled me to to watch it so a friend of mine was watching it and
00:32:26
I joined them and it was I couldn't turn away I was sucked in immediately and it
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was it's very well done it's all a dramatization and I know that there are some Liberties that were taken but um
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it's based off of a real life crime uh Betty bradick was convicted of murdering her ex-husband Daniel bradick III and
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his second wife who you know replaced her basically bradick lost her mind and and killed both of them
00:32:57
in a in the most long Winding Road of of anger that I've ever seen I mean she didn't just flip out and freak out and
00:33:09
kill them as soon as you know as soon as she became upset about the situation this was going on for a long period of
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time and so dirty John season 2 is Eight Episodes and a large portion of it is the events leading up to you know their
00:33:26
lives together as husband and wife and and raising their kids and then Daniel bradick who is going outside of stepping
00:33:34
outside of the marriage and eventually which leads to divorce and then all the events that lead up to the double
00:33:40
homicide and then including the two trials that took place afterwards so she was tried once not convicted and tried
00:33:48
again and that was the time that they got the conviction Amanda Pete plays Betty bradick uh Christian Slater plays
00:33:56
Daniel brri and I it's incredibly good it's salacious that's probably one of the things the turnoff factor that that
00:34:05
didn't excite me about sitting down to watch it denov geek.com calls dirty John season 2 The Betty bradick story review
00:34:14
a trashy True Crime with tragedy underneath and then I liked it so much one thing that I found myself curious
00:34:22
about and going out of my way to seek and find and watch was the survivors the the children that are now grown in fact
00:34:31
they were pretty they were getting older when this case broke when she committed
00:34:36
the the homicides but it was really interesting for me to hear them in interviews saying what was real about
00:34:43
the show and what was not real you know what was kind of fluffed up a little more uh embellished it was uh it was
00:34:51
interesting to see and hear their words on everything number two for me and at this point we don't don't have any
00:34:57
repeating just to anybody that's keeping track number two for me was Night Stalker this is a four-part series it
00:35:07
was released early in 2021 uh January around then it's a four part four episodes and it's it runs about 3 hours
00:35:19
in total so less than an hour per episode and I think there's there's two reasons what's why like this again when
00:35:27
we're talking about perspective of a case to follow uh Gil and Frank the two lead detectives on this case to kind of
00:35:36
follow where their head you know as there these attacks were happening as evidence was coming in where their heads
00:35:43
were at what they were looking into that part of the investigation was so interesting to me and also how some
00:35:52
people in the Departments disagreed with them or or how other departments helped
00:35:56
them out out but also there's artistic value to this docu series it shows this car constantly driving around
00:36:06
at night you know basically stalking people and it it's very well put together and I've had a lot of people in
00:36:14
law enforcement that don't like watching these documentaries that have watched this and said it's kind of like you
00:36:20
invited two of your favorite detectives to sit down and tell you a story about a
00:36:26
case that they investigated and and how things happen that's what it feels like and this is one that we've talked about
00:36:32
on off the Record before because we were both so impressed with it when it first
00:36:36
came out and yes you're right it's just like inviting your two favorite detectives to sit down and tell you
00:36:43
about probably the most infamous case that they've ever worked on maybe one of the most infamous cases from the the
00:36:49
state of California but you said the the right terms there two favorite detectives because I tell you what one
00:36:56
thing for me in my experience of the the docu series here Gil cillo and Frank Salo they become two of your favorite
00:37:06
detectives when you watch this like you you're rooting for them the whole time they're very good at their jobs they're
00:37:14
very driven and they're people that you are proud to stand behind and cheer them
00:37:20
on as they're looking for one of the most evil killers that you can imagine and and so these two are brilliant in
00:37:28
their own regard and the the the series itself was fascinating I'm very much you
00:37:35
know into these older cases and some of it's just the imagery the real life imagery of seeing you know the old
00:37:41
police cars the old neighborhoods and things like that uh I thought it was really well done for me it was so close
00:37:48
to making my list like if if if I had to give a topnotch honorable mention or if
00:37:53
the list was a little longer than five this was certainly be on my list nightstalker the hunt for a serial
00:38:00
killer well and a little story for you for the for the listening audience lean in if you will we're at crime Con in in
00:38:10
Austin I get on the we were invited to have VIP drinks last minute there there if you get VIP passes they set up little
00:38:20
dinners and little cocktail events and and so a lot of the host uh will meet up with the VIP and you and you get to go
00:38:28
and have free drinks is a great thing so jump on the elevator and here comes Gil
00:38:33
one of the detectives in this case and and one of the um speakers at crime con just me and him riding to the elevator
00:38:43
and I go hey you going to the VIP thing yeah yeah and I introduce myself I I'm the captain from True Crime garage I
00:38:50
watch your docu series and um and I've heard a lot a lot of Praise from Detective that has that I've watched and
00:38:58
he just kind of lit up and he just seemed like such a good guy and it one of my highlights of crime con con Austin
00:39:06
well yes and it was intriguing that he was going to be there and one thing that I kept hearing from a lot of the people
00:39:12
attending crime con con this year was the same thing over and over again there's so many impressive people that
00:39:18
you want to meet that are going to be there some featured and some you know a little more behind the scenes and what
00:39:25
have you but Gil time and time again when I spoke to everybody he was the he was the one that
00:39:31
people wanted to meet and they were never disappointed yeah because his personality his yeah his he's a
00:39:39
personable individual he's very he would fit nicely here in the garage Captain I
00:39:44
I like the cut of the jib yeah nice and Gil wherever you are nice jib all right number one it's that time yes for my
00:39:56
number one I went with again a single episode this is from season 21 of a long running true crime series
00:40:07
that is on the Investigation Discovery Channel the ID channel for those that are nasty uh season 21 episode 21 that's
00:40:15
easy to remember of on the case with pazon and it was titled terrifying connections and this was it was going to
00:40:24
be difficult Captain for anything other than this to be my number one and the reason being is that the terrifying
00:40:32
connections episode was about the now solved homicide of Tony Muny and Tony Muny is an individual that we were
00:40:42
talking about his case before anybody else was talking about his case his case was was pretty much forgotten here in
00:40:49
the great state of Ohio and that upset us here in the garage this was a teenage boy that was taking
00:40:57
from everyone way too soon way too young and it was something that angered me and
00:41:02
the captain and we decided hey we're going to cover this and this is a story that is not being talked about this was
00:41:09
such a breath of fresh air you know pazon is that's a good that's a good program to begin with and they always
00:41:17
put out quality episodes but this one was incredibly well done but it was also that they were featuring a case that
00:41:24
many people outside of Columbus unless you've heard our show you don't know the case and this is when a
00:41:31
15-year-old boy Tony Muny vanished under very mysterious circumstances and police
00:41:36
feared the worst and we talked about it here in the garage on our coverage there
00:41:41
was there were multiple killers that were at one time investigated as possible perpetrators of this teenagers
00:41:50
homicide and it wasn't until all of these years later that it was actually solved and it was solved by the
00:41:58
hardworking women and men over at the Delaware County Sheriff's Office they refused for decades to let go of this
00:42:07
case and one thing that I was so impressed with the Delaware County Sheriff's Office just as a whole not
00:42:13
just in the Tony Muny case but in in everything that they do is the brutal honesty and and how they stand behind
00:42:22
what they tell the public they are just like every other agency out there that says you know what
00:42:29
cold cases matter we care about cold cases if you kill somebody in our County or our city you get locked up we will
00:42:36
find you we will find out what you did and we will take you to court you will have your day in court and we will seek
00:42:43
Justice for these victims we don't care if the case is one day old 10 days old 10 years old or decades old they're the
00:42:49
same as every other agency in this great nation by saying that where they are different from many of them is that they
00:42:57
actually do care number one and they actually are working those old cases and the Tony Muny cases proof of that that
00:43:05
all these decades later they could still solve the case a couple shout outs here
00:43:10
to the hardworking women and men who worked this case over the decades to see it all the way through uh Delaware
00:43:16
Sheriff William lvery who worked the case starting in 1983 there are multiple interviews with
00:43:24
his brother John munzy who Ed our show after we did our coverage of the case and it was good to see him in a better
00:43:32
place now that his brother's case has finally been solved and a lot of what was still a mystery has has come to
00:43:40
light all of these years later also a shout out to detectives Rusty Yates and detective Jeff Bessinger who I've
00:43:47
personally met and spoke with a couple of times and detective Sally Brink all who were instrumental in getting this
00:43:54
case solved and they dedicated the episode rightfully so in memory of detective Dan Otto who died in 2012 in a
00:44:05
vehicle accident Dan Otto they dedicated the episode to him because he was one of
00:44:11
the driving forces that kept the case alive in their department and really was determined and and and got all of these
00:44:20
other key players to Rally around him to to be so determined and so passionate to
00:44:26
solve this case everybody get out your pen and paper as the colonel goes over his top five list once again for you so
00:44:34
and maybe just tell them the title and also again maybe where you watched it if you can remember so my number five was
00:44:40
the most dangerous animal of all that's the Zodiac Killer case featuring Gary Stewart and that was on FX my number
00:44:49
four was on FX as well a Wilderness of error the trials of Jeffrey McDonald my number three was Dateline what happened
00:44:57
to Amy the Amy mahalic episode and that was season 29 episode 59 and then my number two dirty John season 2 again I
00:45:08
guess it was released on the USA Network but I watched it on Netflix and I'm 100%
00:45:12
confident that it's still available on Netflix and then finally saving the best for last number one on the case with
00:45:20
pazon the episode title was terrifying connections and that is the Tony mon episode season 21 episode 21 Discovery I
00:45:30
always say this backwards Captain so I'll say it correctly here investigation discovery the ID Channel all right my
00:45:36
number one the boys who killed a child now look this is this is a a weird one because I have found the same
00:45:49
documentary or close to the same documentary titled multiple things so I'm I'm going to actually give you two
00:45:57
to watch the one that I watched was called the boys who killed a child it's on real stories you can find it on
00:46:07
YouTube but there was also a really good 60 Minutes done on this it was a Australian you know in Australia they
00:46:16
have their version of 60 Minutes the James Bulger murder inside the chilling police investigation I'd almost pair
00:46:25
those both together the the first one I gave you the boys who killed a child is under an hour long and then obviously
00:46:32
the the 60-minute episode you know we've covered a lot of child murder cases and those
00:46:40
are always tough and you you always have a you know a sad feeling the whole time
00:46:45
that you're researching them and there's some days that we're in the garage and we we cover those cases and it's like
00:46:52
for the next couple days it's like you might as well just not talk to me I'm just not not in the mood mhm 10 minutes
00:46:58
in to this or maybe even 5 minutes in it's just it was all those emotions but like times 10 it was very tough to watch
00:47:07
and hear some of the stuff but but I felt like it was important it's a it's a very sad case and it's very tragic but
00:47:14
it's you know I think maybe also because of the holiday seasons when you're at a
00:47:18
Christmas party maybe it's not the best time in the world but you look over and you see your nephew or your niece or
00:47:25
your own child or or a grandchild or whoever and they're just having the time of your life their lives and they bring
00:47:31
so much more joy to the event right Christmas is you know they always tell you Christmas is for the kids and and
00:47:39
again when you have kids or or you have kids uh in your family that you love and
00:47:45
they give you so much more joy and this documentary is like the opposite it's like shows you
00:47:52
how like when you see like a John Wayne gasy or something you go okay you can almost see the Evil coming out of them
00:48:00
or you see like I don't know like a Charles Manson or something like that you can kind of just go okay yeah that's
00:48:06
that's evil but when you see the pictures once they arrested these these two boys it's like you're seeing a whole
00:48:13
different side of evil I don't know if disturbing was the right word but it's um I think it's one of those
00:48:24
documentaries that I'll I'll just never forget like I'll never that case is um and I've always wanted to cover the case
00:48:32
and so I was looking it up earlier this year and put it on my list of things to watch and after watching it I'm like I I
00:48:39
just don't even know if I could cover the case I don't know if I could get through it well for those of you keeping
00:48:46
score at home get your pen out again the captain's going to go through his top five I feel like I brought the party
00:48:52
down get the party back up people that's this is mustat true crime 2021 number five American Tragedy I
00:49:02
watched this on Amazon Prime but you know how they always say like you only have a couple more days to watch this
00:49:09
that that was one of those ones so if you want to watch American Tragedy Sue cel's story about raising her son that
00:49:16
went on to be a shooter in the Columbine massacre you watch that on Prime John Wayne gasy Devil in Disguise that is on
00:49:25
fli the Ripper the Yorkshire Ripper case four-part docu series on Netflix and number two the nightstalker the hunt for
00:49:33
a serial killer you can find that on Netflix as well and number one the boys who killed a child this was produced by
00:49:42
real stories and you can find it find this on YouTube and that is my top five and go back and listen to some of our
00:49:49
other episodes where we talk about the must-watch true crime and here our other list again those episodes are must watch
00:49:57
True Crime from episode number 420 August of 2020 must see True Crime episode number 197 April of 2018 and the
00:50:06
Halloween episode from 2016 where we're talking all kinds of True Crime things that you should be watching be it
00:50:14
documentaries or series or what have you now big shout out to D Armstrong 11 who
00:50:21
in 2016 started adding our recommendations best true crime docu series and such to
00:50:29
IMDb the order on there is a little shaky but they are there's so many of them listed there so if you want to see
00:50:36
them in list form while you're listening to the old episodes you can find that uh
00:50:41
is titled True Crime garage best true crime documentaries and again shout out to D
00:50:48
Armstrong wherever you are here's a cheers to you yeah and if you're feeling Froggy Fresh go to our blog
00:50:56
whether it's your top five or top 10 we've we've done both numbers but if you want to i' would love to see people's
00:51:03
top 10 list of their favorite true crime documentaries because then I could go through each list and figure out which
00:51:10
ones I haven't seen yet so if you want to do that add your top 10 list to our blog at true Crim
00:51:17
garage.com yeah and we'll see you next year grab a chair grab a beer let's watch some true
00:51:24
cribe ah in [Music] in like always thanks for joining us here in the garage thanks for being our
00:51:54
friends thanks for tell on a friend and here's to a great 2022 hopefully Colonel so many cases
00:52:03
that we've talked about in the past this will be the year that they get solved yes hopefully so Colonel any
00:52:10
recommended reading this week no captain we're going to skip it this weekend we just gave every wonderful listener out
00:52:16
there 10 things to go out and watch if they've not seen all of those you got some homework to do so check out our
00:52:23
recommendations let us know how you feel at True Crime garage.com hit us up on the blog yeah and if you need more True
00:52:30
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