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around the clock trying to find Cheryl Levit, her daughter Suzanne Streer, and Suzanne's best friend Stacy McCall. The
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three disappeared from this house early Sunday morning. The women had attended Kikapoo graduation ceremonies at
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Hammond's student center Saturday night. Suzanne and Stacy had gone to a couple of parties, then returned here to
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Suzanne's home. Investigators suspect foul play. The woman's cars were in the driveway. Their personal belongings,
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including their clothes and purses, were in the house. There was no sign of a struggle. We are still asking for
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individuals that may have had contact with either the McCall girl, Missreer, or Miss Levan to make contact with our
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department so we can narrow down the time frames that we're working with as to physically when was the last time
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they were seen and known to be safe. >> The FBI is treating the disappearance as
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a possible kidnapping. One FBI agent has been assigned to work with local police.
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More than 30 Springfield officers have been assigned to the case. >> The Springfield Police Department has
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committed all manpower available to the investigation of the disappearance of these three ladies. The investigations
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division itself has divided into two teams. Each team working 12-hour shifts. In addition to that, the department's
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crisis action team has been assigned to this case along with additional supplemental support out of the uniform
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division. Glenn says police will continue to work around the clock until all leads have been exhausted. Dennis
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Graves, KY3 Action News. [music] Welcome to day two in the garage. We are discussing the famous case of the
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Springfield 3, the disappearance of Stacy McCall, 18 years old. Susie Strereer, 19, and Cheryl Levette, 41.
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This is a much requested case. We're just a little less than two months away from the 25-y year anniversary of this
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strange disappearance. Where we left off yesterday, we started getting into some
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horrible people that could be considered suspects in this case. When discussing leads in this case, we talked about Bart
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Strereer as a possible lead, the brother. That went nowhere. We also discussed the boyfriend, Dustin, and his
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friends, right? uh who who had some involvement there but but not a whole lot going on. They are still considered
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suspects to this day. And we talked about a really bad dude named Steven Eugene Garrison and he kind of falls in
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line with whom we're going to talk about today. We have a few people and these are all considered very bad people that
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were in the area at the time of the disappearance of the Springfield 3. Right. >> So first up today, let's talk about a
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guy named Gerald Carneahan. A St. Louisis County jury convicted Gerald of firstdegree murder and forcible rape for
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the death of Jackie John's who was 25. This was 25 years after the fact. I believe he was convicted in 2010. So it
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took quite a bit of time. But Gerald Carneahan is now safe from all of us. He's he's stuck in prison. He he was 52
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years old when he was convicted. So he'll probably spend the rest of his life in a cell. Thank God.
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>> Right. So Jerry Dingleberry is in prison. >> Yes. So Carneahan, by the time he was
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arrested and convicted, he was a family man. He and his wife had two daughters. Uh his family has told reporters that
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his wife had no idea when she married him that he was he was suspected of these horrible crimes way back in 1985.
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After the verdict was read, Baleiffs put handcuffs on Carneahan. His defense attorney asked that he be allowed to
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talk to his family one last time. You know, this is nice for Carneahan, but pretty crappy for the rest of us, right?
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I mean, when he killed Jackie John's, he certainly didn't give her one last opportunity to talk to her family,
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right? So, why should he get this privilege? Well, the judge, Captain apparently, he thinks a lot like you and
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I because the judge basically ignored the defense attorney's request, not even answering the defense attorney, and the
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baiffs led him out of the courtroom. >> Well, and we're just looking up his picture. I mean, he he he looks
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harmless. It looks like a dough boy. >> Well, yeah. >> Oh, sorry. Well, it's believed that
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Carneahan raped and beat Jackie John's, who was only 20 years old in June of 1985, and dumped her body in Lake in
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Lake Springfield. They started looking at him as a suspect within a week of the murder, but didn't have sufficient
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evidence to charge him. He was charged in 2007 after criminalists said DNA evidence in semen found on J's body
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matched Carneahan's DNA. And yes, it was it was 2010 when he was convicted. >> Yeah. But at least justice was served.
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>> DNA analysis wasn't available obviously in 19 in the early 1990s. The Springfield Police Department got a
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grant in 2003 that let it afford to look at cold cases such as this one. The Springfield Police Department tested the
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DNA from samples taken from Jackie John's body and car, but it wasn't able to make a a match to any known person.
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>> Right. In 2006, the Missouri State Police Highway Patrol got a similar grant for a cold case analysis and again
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tested the evidence and got a DNA match to Carneahan. after getting a search warrant to take a swab of his saliva. At
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trial, a highway patrol criminalist testified he didn't know Springfield police sent the same seaman evidence to
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the lab 3 years earlier, which turned out to be almost a stroke of luck because it's possible the highway patrol
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criminalist would may not have even retested the evidence had he known about the previous test. Obviously, he was
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such a suspect that years later they said, "Hey, we got to get a warrant to get his saliva."
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>> Yes. Yes. He He was the number one suspect. They just had no evidence to convict him. Now,
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>> and I bet I bet Jerry Dingleberry was a sweaty dough boy when that was going down.
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>> Well, Janice John's Walker, uh, 59, uh, this is Jackie John's oldest sister, talked about the impact of the murder on
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her family, and her mother died in 1988 with cancer. But Walker says that that's
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not what killed her. Uh saying that her mom grieved herself to death. She would sit and cry and cry and it it took a
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toll on her, >> right? >> Uh stating holidays were never the same. Jackie was gone and that really
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destroyed the family. It weighed very heavy on all of them throughout the years.
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>> So did the dough boy get the electric chair? >> Well, no. They decided not to seek the
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death death penalty because Jackie John's father was in extremely poor health at the time when they were
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bringing these charges to trial and the prosecuting attorney feared that he wouldn't live long enough to see the
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outcome of this trial. So with the family's blessing, they decided to just, you know, wave the death penalty and
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move forward with the case >> so he could get some closure. >> He got some closure before he he would
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pass on. >> Well, that's good. That that's good news from law enforcement, right?
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>> Well, and I tell you what, the thing here that you kind of have to applaud is
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they they found their number one suspect. They stuck with him for 25 years and built a case around this guy.
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And even though it's justice delayed, it's not justice denied. Um, and the family did get some closure. Uh, here
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here's Carneahan's criminal record. All of these convictions are crimes in 1993 or 1994, and he served time for all of
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these charges back in the 90s. Uh, first we see seconddegree burglary of a business as well as arson at the same
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business. Uh, he was also convicted of attempted kidnapping of a girl in Springfield, assault of a law
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enforcement officer, uh, attempted kidnapping and tampering with evidence. In 1993, Carneahan was charged in Green
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County with attempting to abduct an 18-year-old girl. Her name was Heather Starky. So, Carneahan's victim type
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certainly includes the teenage girls, uh, Stacy and Susie. And, and we see kidnapping and rape charges. These women
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obviously were kidnapped. So, so this disappearance of the Springfield 3 fits Carneahan's MMO. Well, but our problem
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here is that there are so many people that contaminated the crime scene or where they went missing from that we
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can't there's nothing that we can test to compare it with this, you know, Doughboy.
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>> Mhm. And and we know that he was living in the Springfield area at the time. He
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was he was living there at the time of the disappearance, but really other than that, you know, his MMO and and his
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proximity to the crime, you know, being a rapist and a killer, we really have nothing else on on Gerald Carneahan. But
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we know he was out. He was a free man at the time and he is certainly capable of
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of these terrible things. >> Next, let's talk about Larry D. Wayne Hall. Now, Larry Dwayne Hall, he he is a
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twin. He has a brother, Gary Hall. Um, and >> nothing wrong with twins. >> And the two of them lived in uh the
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Missouri area. The thing here is though, it it's not so important when you talk about Larry Hall where he lived because
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uh he was in he was one of those traveling guys. He he did those Civil War reenactments.
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>> Mhm. >> And uh if you look at pictures of him, you see he's got the the mutton chops
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there. >> Yeah. His his mutton chops are a reenactment of just a horrible crime on
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his face. >> Mhm. [laughter] The main reason that Larry was a suspect, he actually didn't
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live anywhere near Springfield, but he had a similar vehicle that matched the description of the eyewitnesses.
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>> Yes. Remember we talked about the the Dodge van that the the older woman had reported being a green color. uh the the
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paper boy saying it was a brown and then everybody coming forward and next thing
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you know it's purple, black, white, tan, every other color in the in the rainbow
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or or I don't know if if those colors are in the rainbow. The thing here is though, but he was he was a traveling
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guy. He traveled around doing these different Civil War reenactments. Uh a lot of the times he was traveling with
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his twin brother. Now, the thing here is exactly what the captain said. His vehicle matched the that van, but but
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this Larry Hall guy is an interesting dude because he is actually only convicted of one murder, and this would
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be uh his victim was Jessica Roach. She was a 15year-old girl. She was last seen
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with her sister Mindy as the two were going to the store in Georgetown, Illinois. Uh her sister said that she
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was walking down the road with her bike. When the sister returned from the store,
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she called out for for Jessica and she was not there. She got no answer. And a bus driver that was passing by, he did,
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you know, he actually saw the bike lying in the middle of the road, which he thought was extremely odd because, you
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know, first he probably thought somebody could have been hit. Um, but the thing here is he ends up police police end up
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talking to Larry Hall about this >> and it's several years after the fact, but they suspected Hall and many other
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possible abductions, disappearances, and murders, but didn't have a whole lot of
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evidence other than being able to place him somewhere near the crime scenes. And
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so when they talked to Hall about this situation, they showed him a picture of of Jessica Roach
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>> and as soon as they showed he's one of these Captain I I hate to kind of go off
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on the side thing here, but he's >> a try to just stick to the story, man. I don't I don't really like going off on
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tangents. >> He's a really rare breed for me. like when I've seen interviews and stuff with
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him, he he comes off like extremely emotional. Um almost like even even almost maybe a little remorseful. And we
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don't typically see this with people that that we we throw into this group of having they suspect that Hall may have
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killed as many as 30 or 40 people. And and the thing here is when they show the picture of Jessica Roach to Hall, he he
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like immediately turns away and he just starts ball like not just crying, he's balling like a baby. And the thing is he
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immediately admits to killing her. >> Wow. >> And then on top of that, he in this
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emotional state, you know, they kind of broke through the shell when they showed
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him the picture. They get him talking and in this emotional state, he starts like confessing to other things. He's
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like, "Yeah, I killed her and I killed, you know, all these other girls, too." And but they but then they, you know,
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they hit a wall with him in this interview and they can't get any more information about these other girls. He
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doesn't name them. He doesn't give them places. Uh really nothing to go off of. It was kind of it seemed to me like he
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really needed to kind of get this off of his chest somehow. >> Well, I'm one of the few people that
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don't actually believe that most serial killers remember everything of their victims. where a lot of people say most
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serial killers can just they can bring up every detail of every killing >> or the majority of them. I I don't
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believe that's the case for even as much as 50% of them. >> Um I I go back and forth on that, but
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with a person as far as Larry Hall goes, I could see that maybe he doesn't recall
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the names because some of these people he may not have known their names, right? Uh a lot of these people he
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didn't really stalk. He kind of just would see somebody walking down the street and
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>> opportunist >> and pull them off of the road. Yeah. And pull them into his van.
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>> Which this always frustrates the [ __ ] out of me because in so many cases like
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you take like even Mara Murray for example, like the opportunist killer. We see it time and time again.
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>> It is very rare. It is very rare. But yes, we do see this. >> It's not that rare. I mean, we're
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talking about Larry right now. Ted Bundy was one, >> right? No. No. But I mean, as far as a
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percentage goes, as far as serial killers go, a lot of them are opportunist killers. Okay? But as as a
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when you compare it to how many regular people are walking around on the planet,
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there's not that many of them. And and what they mean by it being rare is that your chances of you being in a
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vulnerable state when you happen to cross paths with that person, I it's mathematically not likely to to to
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happen to most of us, >> right? But we know that Larry confessed to one crime, but the other crimes that
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he could confess to, there was no names, right, >> or dates or places? So, is he just a
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oneanddone type killer, >> or I mean, is this all just kind of horse malarkey? >> Well, here's the thing. When when
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reviewing, you know, some some people have gotten together and they've put together a potential victim list for
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Larry Hall. Now, I think the numbers could be exaggerated a little bit because when you look into these, when
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you look at all 40 of them, there were several of these cases, let's say five or six of them, maybe as many as nine or
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10 that you have other suspects in in these cases, >> right? >> The problem with a lot of these cases
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that are listed in this 40 is some some of these people have never been found. Uh, which makes things extremely
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difficult. uh where I believe that he probably did commit more than one murder. I I wouldn't be shocked if he's
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somewhere in like the teens to the 20s because he seems like somebody that wants emotionally he wants to confess
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but only for selfish reasons only to to to relieve himself of the burden that he's carrying around. Not because he
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wants the not because he wants the recognition of being this prolific serial killer or not because he wants to
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actually help anybody else out, but he would give he would give vague details of stuff that he probably could recall.
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You know, there there was one situation regarding a disappearance in 1991 uh where he says, you know, when talking
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to investigators, he he admitted to picking up a woman in Claremont, which is on the west side of Indianapolis. and
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he states that, "You know what? I don't I don't know her name. I never knew her name. Uh all I remember is that she
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didn't want to go with me and she had to be forced." Now, he doesn't say that he
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he killed her or what he did with her, but they but then they do know that a girl named Georgia Shreve uh 37, she was
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last seen in that area almost at that exact time. So, it's a bit of a coincidence, right, Captain?
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>> Yeah. My big question though here is that he, you know, Larry's claiming that
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he's traveling around with his twin brother Gary. [snorts] First of all, twin brother Gary. Larry and Gary. Hey.
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Hello. Don't do that. Don't Don't name your kids Larry and Gary. Not when they're twins. It's not acceptable.
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>> Well, and I think I know what you're getting at here, Captain. You You're implying that maybe the two of them were
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guilty together in some of these crimes. Right. >> Um they most certainly did travel a lot
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together, driving all over the United States. If you look at the crimes that they think that Larry might have
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committed, uh you basically could chop the United States in half right down the middle and everything on the east side.
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He's about in every other state with a potential victim. Um I do know that Gary didn't attend all of these events with
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Larry. Uh so it might be possible that this was something that he did on his own. But you did touch on something
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interesting there because that you know it's stated and and you and I both kind of hate this this when they bring this
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up, but uh Larry is is stated to have a pretty low IQ. Uh and I think they I think they put his number around 80. And
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I do want to >> my caveat to everybody out there, there's different there's different IQ
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tests out there. So So different scores mean different things on those tests, right?
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>> But what I've seen reported is 80. Now, do we know that that is right? Who knows? But
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>> I'm about 65. >> I wonder, you know, it's been put out there that it is it possible that
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somebody had to teach this to Larry, maybe when he was younger, you know, may maybe he was a part of an abduction uh
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where somebody else was involved and perpetrated the abduction at a young age and this was something that he took a
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liking to. Mhm. >> Um I have heard one there's an author that wrote a book on him called I
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believe it's called urges and the author refers to Larry Hall as like a savant where he's pretty you know kind of dumb
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at everything else but but this might be something that he's worked on and perfected over the years
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>> almost as like a autism or >> Yeah. Yeah. Like Yeah. Well, a savant where you're just kind of good at one or
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two things. And you know, he apparently is good at if if he is guilty of 30 or 40 people, he's very good at abducting
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and disposing of people without getting caught. >> If your mud and chops aren't legit, then
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you're a piece of [ __ ] >> Well, and I also want to laid to rest things that, you know, so just so people
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are clear that he's not a oneanddone killer, that there is some validity here to that he he could have been involved
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in other cases. We have that of Tracy Reitler. Uh she was 19 years old. This took place in 1993. She was a freshman
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at Wesleyan University in Marian, Indiana. Now, she was last seen around 8:00 p.m. one night traveling to the
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supermarket and she had not been seen again. Now, this was a murder that not only Hall confessed to, but later
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recanted the confession. To further more to add more evidence to the possibility
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of that, just about eight or nine days later in that same neighborhood, he was he was pulled over because he was
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harassing two female students that were walking home. He was and they were scared because this other girl had
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already gone missing. They report the situation to a security guard. The security guard tracks down this van and
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pulls him over and sure enough, it's it's Larry Hall driving the van. >> Right. Right. Right. The P green.
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>> Well, here's here's another situation here, Captain. Okay. This took place in
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May of 1994. Okay. Now, Larry Hall is pulled over. >> So, two years after >> Yeah. pulled over by a police officer
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after he was trying to coax some girls to get it into his van. And when he's pulled over, they search the van. And
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listen to the the unusual items that they find in in his van. They find a spray can of starter fluid fluid,
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>> a cotton mask and cotton balls, >> a cotton >> a plastic tarp, some knives, and some
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rope. Uh, and the officers also found newspaper articles regarding the disappearance of that Tracy Reerler that
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we just previously discussed. >> What's odd about that? Well, it's odd because you could probably spray the
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starting fluid into cotton balls or a cotton mask and hold it over somebody's face and
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>> right >> subdue them and pull them into your van. Um, it these seems like the
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>> when you're driving around in a rape van, what what's odd about finding those
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items? >> I see what you're saying. If it very much fits Larry Hall's van. >> All right. So, what happens with this
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Larry Hall character? >> Yeah. And I don't want to go through all of the potential victims because we
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would be here all day and night. But the [clears throat] thing here is that's interesting is after he is sentenced to
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life uh for for the death of Jessica Roach, >> we have a situation where his brother,
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remember old G old old G Bear, he comes forward and he starts saying >> that his brother Lair uh is probably one
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of the most prolific serial killers that this country's ever seen. that that he believes that that his brother has been
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pulling girls and women into the van for for 20ome years. >> Yeah. Well, hey, what way to bring this
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up after the fact, jackass. >> Yeah. And >> hey, well, and by the way, I think he's
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the most prolific serial killer of all time, and he killed all these women. And guess what? I'm writing a book about it.
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>> Yeah. Well, I I might have stretched that a little bit. It was more like 10 or 15 years. But anyway, that that's the
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claims that Gary comes out with after the fact. Now, we we have a weird situation here where Larry then
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retaliates and he says, "You know what? Um, I'm sick of covering up for Gary for
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all these years." >> Oh, yeah. See, what did I say? >> You're exactly right. And at some point,
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he's he says, you know, I'm going to have to tell you what actually happened. He also, but the weird thing here is he
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actually throws another name into the into the serial killer pool at the same time. He says, "You know what? I kind of
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uh some of these murders were committed by a guy and I can't remember the name and and it's fair that I don't because
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we don't even know who this guy is or have any evidence on it. >> His name was Mayor. It was Lar Gar and
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Mayor. [clears throat] >> This was somebody that would not have been related to them.
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>> It was Barry. Larry, Gary, and Barry, >> but he claims that he was with this other person who committed some of these
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these murders as well. So, um, a very interesting story regarding Larry Hall and his
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>> Well, and you, like you said, with his low IQ, maybe he learned it from somebody. Maybe he learned it from his
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his his stupid brother. >> He's interesting because his van fits the description, first of all. Second of
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all, >> there would have been two of them. >> Possibly. There could have been two of
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them, which would have, you know, I I I think it would be difficult to abduct three women all at the same time. And I
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think if you had if it were two versus three, it would certainly be easier uh to pull off in my mind. So that makes
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him a very interesting suspect. And he's somebody that uh these the the armchair
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detectives should look him up because if you have a a girl that's anywhere from the age of 15 to about 32 of an unsolved
00:27:38
crime in your area and it was took place in the 80s or the early 90s uh and it's
00:27:45
on the eastern half of the United States, there's a good chance that he might be considered a suspect in in in
00:27:51
that in that case. >> All right. I'm I'm so over Larry and Gary. Uh why don't you go paddle your
00:27:58
canoe down the river and uh we'll get back to this case right after this quick beer break.
00:28:10
[music] >> [music] >> All right, and we are back. Cheers everybody. Probably the most interesting
00:28:34
or maybe the let's say someone who looks like a more likely suspect than some of
00:28:40
the other creeps that we have been discussing >> is a guy by the name of Robert Craig
00:28:45
Cox. Now, because of the relentless persistence by Janice, remember that's Stacy McCall's mother, another major and
00:28:53
promising break in the case occurred. A tipster from the state of Florida called
00:28:58
in after seeing the case on the national news and giving the authorities the name
00:29:04
Robert Craig Cox, adding him to the list of suspects. As it turns out, the caller
00:29:09
was the brother of Sharon Zeers, a 19-year-old teenager allegedly murdered in 1978 by Robert Cox.
00:29:16
>> Yeah. And Shannon was on her way home from working at Disneyland or Disney World.
00:29:21
>> Disney World. >> And uh she was abducted. >> Yes. Uh at the time, Robert was in the
00:29:26
vicinity celebrating his recent graduation from basic training to become an Army Ranger. Mhm.
00:29:32
>> Robert Cox was staying with his parents at a hotel nearby. It was quite late that night and Robert headed out on his
00:29:41
own while his parents were wanting to get some rest. Sometime later, Robert returned to the room covered in blood.
00:29:48
His parents rushed him to a hospital. The blood was coming from Robert's tongue, which was partially bitten off.
00:29:55
He told the staff that he bit off his own tongue. Yet, the medical examiners concluded that it's improbability due to
00:30:03
the direction of how Robert's tongue tongue was taken off. >> Two days later, police located the body
00:30:10
of Sharon Zeers, who was reported missing after not returning back home after work. Her body was only about 100
00:30:18
ft from the hotel Robert and his family were staying in. Sharon's body was stuffed into a manhole at a sewage
00:30:26
pumping station. The coroner ruled that she had been beaten on the head about 14
00:30:31
times with a blunt object. Because of the strange story of Robert Craig Cox about his tongue and the connection of
00:30:39
him staying so close to where the body was found, the police interviewed him. He told police that he had accidentally
00:30:45
bitten off his tongue when a big black man hit him during a fight outside of a skating rink. And this rank was really
00:30:52
close to where she used to get cigarettes at like a convenience store. Grocery store.
00:30:58
>> Yeah. It was an all night grocery store and she would often stop there on her
00:31:01
way home from work. Now the thing here is Cox said that after the fight at the skating rink that he drove around in his
00:31:08
car. He got lost and returned to the skating rink where a stranger gave him a lift back to the hotel. Yet no blood was
00:31:17
ever found in Cox's car. The good Samaritan could never be found and deputies working at the rink at the
00:31:25
skating rink said no such fight had occurred. >> The police speculated that Cox had
00:31:30
abducted Zeers, forced her to drive to Sandy Grove, then lost his tongue as he tried to assault her. They said Cox
00:31:39
>> Good for her. >> Yeah. Well, they said Cox, being a well-built army ranger who had just
00:31:44
completed basic training, probably flew into a rage and beat the girl to death. No murder weapon was ever found. Police
00:31:52
were unable to charge him. After this incident, Robert traveled with the army to California where in 1985 he was
00:32:00
charged and convicted on two separate occasions of abduction and assault of women. Well, then that's the sad thing
00:32:08
about this is, you know, when you have these monsters, it's like if they would get caught early, they'd be off the
00:32:13
streets and it would save so many lives. In the first of these two cases in California, Cox stalked a woman and
00:32:20
grabbed her when she got out of her car. He held a knife to her throat. The woman
00:32:25
struggled and then the process in the process badly cut her hands, bleeding all over his car. She persuaded Cox to
00:32:33
take her to the hospital. When police showed up, he fled. The police later found handcuffs and an arsenal of
00:32:40
weapons in Robert Cox's home. In the second case, Robert Cox abducted Gidget Wickham at gunpoint from the Monterey
00:32:48
airport parking lot. From the trunk of his car, he grabbed a duffel bag filled with automatic weapons and survival
00:32:55
gear. Then he instructed her to drive him to the mountains. She escaped after she got Cox to stop by her friend's
00:33:02
house. though. She she talks him into stopping off on the way at a friend's house. And then things, you know, go
00:33:08
badly for Cox. Good for the girls. Uh police arrest Cox after he had held the friend hostage at gunpoint, threatening
00:33:16
to kill this friend uh and then kill himself. >> Well, just let the friend go and uh you
00:33:22
just kill yourself. >> Yeah, that [snorts] that would have helped us all out. Mhm.
00:33:25
>> Well, it was after he's brought up on these charges that Florida, you know, the the authorities there, they're like,
00:33:31
"Okay, well, we have all this circumstantial evidence, but now we really we know what he's fully capable
00:33:36
of." So, Florida was able to indict him for the murder of Sharon Zeer along with
00:33:42
the tongue thing uh and hair and blood samples found near the victim. These were compatible with Robert Cox. Uh Cox
00:33:51
testified that he bit through his tongue during that fight. So eventually, Robert, he was taken to trial in which
00:33:58
he was found guilty. And I actually think that they had a good a really good case here. Uh they also had a bootprint
00:34:06
of his, a map showing convergent paths of the defendant and the victim. Uh the night that she was last seen alive, they
00:34:15
found blood in his motel room, uh blood in her car. Uh but because of unfortunate events, the ruling was
00:34:23
eventually overturned as Cox sat on death row, awaiting execution for the beating death of Sharon Zers. The
00:34:30
Florida Supreme Court decided the that the puzzle had not yet been solved. After all, they claimed that the jurors
00:34:37
were mistaken, and the seven justices ruled that Cox's uh on Cox's automatic appeal that there was not enough
00:34:44
evidence to actually convict him of this. >> Right. Right. >> So, they reversed the conviction.
00:34:48
>> Yeah. How much more do you need? >> You have a picture of him doing it, a video of him doing it.
00:34:53
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. You have >> He's missing a He's missing part of his
00:34:56
tongue. >> You have blood and hair evidence. You have a a bootprint. You have a map
00:35:01
showing that he was, you know, taking a route that that she would have been on. Um, so, you know, after the after this
00:35:08
was overturned, uh, some of the jurors came forward that had originally convicted Cox,
00:35:14
>> and one of them stated, you know, Robert Cox is a killer. Robert Cox killed Sharon Zeers. Uh, Robert Cox will kill
00:35:21
again because you have provided him the opportunity. >> Right. >> And another one said that if he walks,
00:35:28
there will probably be more victims and the blood will be on the hands of those seven justices.
00:35:33
>> Right. But so if the jury is coming out and saying all this stuff and and so these justices are coming like who got
00:35:39
to them? >> Who got to the justices? Somebody had to get to them, right? >> Yeah. I I don't know. I don't know how
00:35:47
this whole thing went down. It really makes no sense to me. Like I said, >> well, maybe he has uh like a father of
00:35:53
power or something. >> Well, like I said, I thought they had a really good case there. Uh he did end up
00:35:58
serving some time, you know, because he was waiting there on death row during the process of his appeals, right?
00:36:03
>> Um but what happens is after they overturn the case, they then have to send him back to California to serve
00:36:10
time for those crimes uh that he committed before he went to Florida. before he went back to Florida. Sorry.
00:36:16
>> Right. One of the things that was pretty interesting to read was how he wasn't
00:36:19
that popular with the inmates uh because he had that, you know, just the piece of
00:36:23
the tongue missing. >> Mhm. Yeah. And well, see afterwards, Robert Cox is released and moved in 1992
00:36:32
where his parents were living, which was Springfield, Missouri. >> This is just months prior to the
00:36:37
disappearances of the three women. The Zeer family still mourning the loss of their daughter and the release of
00:36:45
Robert. They were keeping tabs on any news relating to him, >> right? >> And that's why they reached out to they
00:36:52
reached out to Stacy McCall's mother years later after this hit the national news. Now, while living in Springfield,
00:36:59
Robert had a few jobs. Uh during his time in the area, he was employed as an underground utility worker on the south
00:37:07
central side of town. M >> uh this is an occupation that many believe could help him con his way into
00:37:15
an unsuspecting person's home, >> potentially kidnapping them. Uh he was also a mechanic at a used car lot. And
00:37:23
the interesting thing here, Captain, is this is where Stacy McCall's father was working. Uh, the McCall family believes
00:37:31
that it is it is quite possible that Robert Cox would have seen Stacy when she visited her father at his job.
00:37:39
Robert was interviewed and he was questioned by police and he had an alibi for the night that the Springfield 3
00:37:45
went missing. >> What was his alibi? >> His girlfriend confirmed that he was with her that entire evening and night
00:37:52
and that they had attended Sunday morning church services the following morning. This sounds like a bunch of
00:37:59
>> Well, here's here's the thing here. >> 3 years later, in 1995, Robert was arrested in Texas for holding an armed
00:38:06
weapon to a 12-year-old girl. Since then, he's been serving a life sentence for aggravated robbery in the state of
00:38:13
Texas. Now, later, Robert's girlfriend, back from 1992, now his ex, spoke to the
00:38:20
Springfield Police Department, and she recanted her entire statement about his alibi. She's stating that Robert had
00:38:27
threatened her and told her what to say if they came forward and questioned her.
00:38:32
>> Of course. Right. And then, you know, she also claimed that he wasn't, you know, that good in bed because of the
00:38:38
half tongue thing. >> Oh, wow. [laughter] Uh, the thing here is though, police have stated more than
00:38:43
once that Robert Cox should be the prime suspect in the case of the Springfield 3.
00:38:48
>> Yeah, definitely. Now, in an interview with Springfield police, Robert said, "I
00:38:53
can't tell you that said,"I can tell you that I know that the three women are dead and the person who committed the
00:39:00
crime had experience and that they are buried somewhere close to Springfield." >> Well, here's what we do know. We know
00:39:06
that he's capable of it >> 100%. >> We know that he was 100 uh we know that he was in the area.
00:39:13
>> Yep. >> Right. And uh we know that he's lying about the alibi. So you're creating an
00:39:19
alibi. Anytime you create an alibi, I don't like that. >> Yeah. And the weird thing here is that
00:39:24
after the girlfriend states that, you know, you know, she says, "He threatened me. He threatened me and I had to say
00:39:31
this." Well, then very quickly his parents rush to his defense and say, "No, no, no, no. He was with us that
00:39:38
night." >> Right? >> Um, so this guy's got an answer for everything. But I can't believe either
00:39:44
alibi uh when we see the first one very quickly fall through and then the parents rush to to his defense. Where
00:39:50
were the parents if if they are correct about their dates? I I do believe he stayed with them from time to time, but
00:39:57
I don't believe that they're correct about their dates because where were they when he was originally questioned
00:40:01
about this? Now, regarding >> Well, well, here hold on a second because here hear me out. If you're a
00:40:06
parent, listen to this. The captain's going to give you a little parenting advice. If your son
00:40:13
>> Don't you tell me how to raise my kid. >> Yeah. No, hear me out. This is good
00:40:17
advice here. Here it is. If your son or your daughter is a is a piece of [ __ ] douche canoe, right?
00:40:26
>> Right. >> T-shirts for sale on the website. >> Shameful. If if that is the case and they murder
00:40:34
somebody and there's enough evidence to lock their, you know, bastard ass up in jail for a long time and then then a
00:40:42
couple stupid white guys. I'm betting they're white. White. >> Oh, I thought you were talking about us.
00:40:50
>> Well, we are stupid and white. Um, but if they let you go, as the parent, I understand that you don't want to have a
00:40:59
murdering kid. I I understand that you don't want a piece of [ __ ] douche canoe
00:41:04
kid, but you don't take them back. >> You're exactly right. >> You go, "Stay the hell away from me."
00:41:11
>> Yeah. >> I You're I don't know what happened. >> Yeah. And I don't want you to live into
00:41:15
my house either, you know, or furthermore, down the block from me. I mean, yeah, it the murder the thing is,
00:41:22
you know, you you think your kids are good people. Most people think their kids are good people until you're on
00:41:27
trial for murder, but the murder does get overturned. However, we still have those two cases in California. This
00:41:33
guy's guilty of something. We know that. And and the thing is, son or no son, I'm
00:41:38
a live and let live person. And I try to give people second chances and I try to
00:41:41
be forgiving of those around me when they make mistakes. The problem here is >> I don't want this animal living with me.
00:41:48
I don't want anything to do with this guy. And furthermore, I'm not going to lie for you to keep your ass out of
00:41:54
prison. Yeah. And when your son talk like that because he only has half of a tongue, the guy is guilty. Okay. That
00:42:03
that poor girl was beat to death and in the process she took half of his tongue.
00:42:09
>> Well, right. Okay. >> Sorry. But regarding the statement that he gave to police about that, you know,
00:42:15
stating that he knew that the three women were dead, that he believed that the person that committed the crime had
00:42:21
experience and that they were buried somewhere close to Springfield. Those are all very kind of vague
00:42:28
statements and very cocky statements in my opinion. The police did take these statements of course very seriously and
00:42:34
still do, but also they have reservations on the validity due to Robert toying with authorities with
00:42:42
numerous lies and his constant attention seeking. >> Yeah. And he did an interview, you know,
00:42:48
his question and there was an interview, I think the 48 hours or the disappeared
00:42:52
or whatever had a little bit of it. >> I wanted to see the whole thing. >> Yes. >> I'd like to know more of his story.
00:42:58
There there's been a local reporter that has covered this and I can't think of her name, but she's done a lot of good
00:43:03
work on this case for many years now. Like I said, we're coming up just two year two months away from the 25-y year
00:43:10
anniversary. She's done a lot of good work on this case and I believe it was an interview with her that she conducted
00:43:16
and that's where he stated, you know, I know that they're dead and I know that they're buried somewhere around
00:43:22
Springfield. Mhm. >> Uh, you know, why I I partially why I say that those are vague statements is
00:43:28
being so far away from, you know, time-wise from the crime, it's very likely that all three of them are dead.
00:43:35
It's probably most likely >> and it's probably likely as well that they're buried somewhere around the
00:43:42
Springfield area. Uh, this is where you you wonder if he's just he's just an attention-seeking
00:43:49
jerk, you know, because it's like, oh well, if they're found buried, >> you know, you know, months or years from
00:43:56
now around the Springfield area, then everybody's going to go, "Yep, that Robert Cox, he he did it. He did it or
00:44:02
he knows all about it." Uh, and he he seems to like the attention. He likes being interviewed. He likes talking to
00:44:08
people. He likes throwing out these shocking statements. >> Yeah. But like like we said, there's all
00:44:13
these things that kind of line up and to to think in this small town to have this
00:44:19
kind of disappearance of three people, three women in the middle of, you know, in the middle of the night disappear
00:44:26
into thin air basically. >> Mhm. >> And you have this animal running around >> and he just was just recently there.
00:44:33
It's just seems to be too much of a coincidence. Well, and the other thing, too, is I mean, look at look at his MO
00:44:41
on three different occasions. Okay, let's say he's only guilty of the two that he was actually convicted of, but
00:44:47
on those two occasions alone and the third one that he suspected of in Florida, he was basically driving around
00:44:54
looking for a victim. It's not too far-fetched to think that maybe he was driving around and saw Stacy McCall
00:45:00
driving that night or saw Susie Streer driving that night and followed him back to the house
00:45:05
>> or when they were walk they were walking around at some point too. I also think
00:45:09
the thing is like we said with his occupation he has you know chances are he was driving some kind of van
00:45:15
>> and then also by working at the used car lot he had would have access to other
00:45:20
vehicles as well. Well, at the time he was just working the one job as the utility worker, but you're right, he
00:45:25
would have he would have used a van for that type of job. He regardless, he would have had access to his own vehicle
00:45:32
or his parents' vehicle from living with them at the time. Uh, the thing here too, talking about his sort of shocking
00:45:39
statements, there are reports out there that say that Robert has said that he will tell the truth about Cheryl,
00:45:46
Suzanne, and Stacy once his mother passes away, but he doesn't he won't do that until she passes away because he
00:45:54
doesn't want to cause her grief or severe disappointment. >> Well, we can make that happen. Just let
00:45:59
me know where that [ __ ] is. >> Well, here's a news flash to you, Mr. Robert Cox. You're serving life in
00:46:05
prison in the state of Texas. Guess what? It's too late, buddy. You've already caused your mother plenty of
00:46:10
grief and plenty of disappointment. >> I shouldn't have called her a [ __ ] >> Now, yeah, it's not her fault that he's
00:46:15
a monster. The thing here, but the thing that I don't like about her is that if they're trying to cover up for his ass,
00:46:21
I mean, maybe they're telling the truth, saying, "Hey, we were with him that night." Well, then he has an alibi.
00:46:25
Congratulations. >> But, well, they're either lying or mistaken. You know what I mean? I doubt
00:46:30
that that it's the truth. I just don't I don't my gut tells me it's not the truth
00:46:34
there. Uh but I do want to be certain to throw this out that regarding the statements about his mother passing away
00:46:41
and that he's holding withholding information until she does. Uh those statements cannot be confirmed. Those
00:46:48
are those have been kind of rumored statements. >> Right. And based off those statements,
00:46:53
uh we've had some a lot of people kind of looking for where maybe they could be buried.
00:46:59
>> Yes. And this is actually something that they came up with through the tip line.
00:47:03
And they've received multiple tips about this over the years that indicate that the bodies of Cheryl, Suzanne, and Stacy
00:47:10
are buried underneath the southside parking garage of Cox Hospital. Uh, which, you know, was being built within
00:47:17
the timeline of their disappearance. Uh, just to throw this out there, I don't think that that we need to, but you
00:47:23
know, it's the Cox Hospital. We were just talking about Robert Cox. >> Coincidence. It's not his hospital. Just
00:47:29
happens to be the same name. >> Yeah, it's a creepy coincidence. >> In 2010, a reporter using her own money
00:47:36
hired a mechanical engineer with a very respectable resume and track record. >> Uh he specialized in using radar to scan
00:47:45
underground. Uh sure enough, the tips that were coming in, you know, that said that various people might have been
00:47:51
buried in the area, uh they may have panned out a little bit because while scanning the garage, the engineer
00:47:58
noticed three anomalies. Uh sadly though, he couldn't definitively say if they were actually bodies or not, only
00:48:06
that they resembled things that he had found in graveyards before when scanning graveyards.
00:48:11
>> Yeah. And they actually took up a petition on this, right? Yeah. Signed a petition. Well, because there's a lot of
00:48:17
people in the area that want the they want someone to to do the work and go down there and figure out if these are
00:48:24
in fact bodies. Now, the police, they are still skeptical and they are not entirely convinced enough to take
00:48:32
samples uh from the concrete to help further the investigation in this specific area and would rather not cause
00:48:39
destruction to the property of a very busy hospital. Well, it couldn't be that expensive. And I think you look, if you
00:48:46
dig it up and you don't find anything, fine. Okay. You know, you made a mistake. It cost you a little bit of
00:48:52
money. And maybe they could take up a collection for people willing to help pay for that. I think the but at least
00:48:58
you'd get answers. >> Mhm. The thing here is I'm not certain I don't have an idea of how much it would
00:49:04
cost. Uh, I looked at the scan reports that they put out and I and I'm uncertain of how deep these anomalies
00:49:12
were. Uh, but it it seems to me like depending on the depth that you might be able to just drill a hole
00:49:20
>> and pull samples from from that hole possibly rather than digging up the whole area.
00:49:25
>> You're exactly correct. >> Well, thank you. Uh, the thing here is like I said, you know, a lot of people
00:49:31
in the area want this to be done. M >> and furthermore, there have been people come forward and said, you know what,
00:49:37
I'll pay for it. You know, including the engineer and this reporter said, you know, we'll use our money. We'll, you
00:49:44
know, we'll we'll donate our time as well and and pay for this for the city to have it conducted.
00:49:49
>> Well, because you have the family, you know, this is tragic event for the family for one. So, you need closure for
00:49:55
them and family and friends and all that stuff, but closure for the community. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, cuz once this
00:50:01
happens in '92, I mean, people start locking their doors more. People not so friendly.
00:50:07
>> Well, not only that. I mean, the crime the crime as far as it's concerned on a
00:50:11
national level, it's often referred to as the Springfield 3. It's the the the case is damn near named after your city.
00:50:19
>> Well, now I feel bad for calling that, you know, Springfield 3 on our show. >> Should have made up a different name.
00:50:26
>> That's on your head, my friend. The thing here is though, Captain, um you know, we this is a very strange
00:50:33
disappearance to me. We we have a crime scene where there's no evidence. It seems like nobody saw anything. I do
00:50:40
feel like that there's a lot of good suspects, a a lot of good candidates that are possible abductors. I think
00:50:47
that we've talked about um you know, most of them, right? Uh, one thing I do want to point out, kind of a side note,
00:50:54
that on September 27th, 1997, all three women were declared dead by the state of Missouri. And I guess this
00:51:02
is kind of a state law that uh 5 years after someone goes missing, the state can then declare that person dead. So
00:51:12
their their official date of death would be listed as June 8th, 1997. Now, some of that has to be done because of you
00:51:20
have like probate courts and things like that. When people pass away, you have next to kin and things that can't go
00:51:26
into the proper order until someone's legally declared dead. >> Um, unfortunately, with it being almost
00:51:35
25 years since the case, I think we're probably talking about three murder victims here.
00:51:41
>> Uh, I I I I don't know worldwide how how long it goes. I believe I I remember
00:51:48
reading about somebody being returned or found 24 years 23 or 24 years after being abducted or held captive. So, it's
00:51:57
possible. It's possible, but it's been a very long timeline uh for these women to
00:52:02
have been just disappeared, you know, in hopes of finding them. Well, and I think
00:52:06
it's it's very sad when you have two teenage girls, you know, becoming young females and and what what they would be
00:52:15
able to do with their life and then you have this this mother that just recently
00:52:20
became a single mother and she seemed to be, you know, kind of a person that was,
00:52:24
you know, take charge. I'm going to take this uh this little tiny house that's maybe a little bit beat up and I'm going
00:52:30
to fix it up and I'm going to do something with my life empowering. I think anytime there's an empowering
00:52:36
women, it's a good thing. And uh somebody took that away from us and and away from our community.
00:52:44
>> So my thoughts here on this case, Captain, my initial thought when I looked at this was it looked to me like
00:52:49
somebody that knew uh the either the girls or the mother. >> And I'll tell you why I really thought
00:52:56
that. Because at first of first of all, we see no signs of of of forced entry into the home. It's almost as if
00:53:03
somebody knew how to get into the home or was let into the house. Um, the other thing that really made me kind of back
00:53:12
up that initial thought that it was somebody that knew them was the was the strange and lewd phone calls after the
00:53:19
fact. And the reason why is because when I hear that somebody had just recently moved into the home, I didn't think that
00:53:26
it was easily accessible to find their phone number and that that therefore it would have had to been somebody that
00:53:33
knew the situation of the house >> would have been led into the home knowing that a man or men did not live
00:53:39
there as well as knowing the phone number that could have been unlisted because they had just moved in. The
00:53:46
problem is we we did later learn that Stacy McCall's mother found the address and the phone number in the phone book.
00:53:55
>> So, [clears throat] uh you know, somebody that did not know them could have gained access to the house somehow
00:54:00
by conning their way into the home or being a utility worker claiming that you know, I don't know that you could say
00:54:07
your power's out because they probably flipped on a light when they came and heard the knock at the door, right? Um,
00:54:13
but the thing here is the other thing that threw me off was was the phone calls afterwards because
00:54:20
you think what kind of weirdo commits this horrible crime and then would want to potentially get themselves caught
00:54:27
because they're calling after the fact. >> And then the more and more I got to thinking about it, the less that seemed
00:54:35
unlikely. And and I'll tell you why. Because, you know, we covered back in episode 35, we covered Dorothy Jane
00:54:42
Scott, >> and remember, she received phone calls all the way up to her abduction, and
00:54:47
then her family still received phone calls many for four years, I believe, after the abduction. In that same
00:54:53
episode, we talked about a victim named Amy Bilick, and her family received phone calls for like 20 years after she
00:55:02
disappeared with the Long Island serial killer. It's believed that he used the victim's own cell phone to call the
00:55:09
victim's sister and make threatening phone calls to her after the fact. So, I don't think it's that crazy. You know,
00:55:17
when I first looked into this, I thought we were probably looking at this ex-boyfriend and his friends as being
00:55:22
good suspects because there were three of them and they seem to have some kind of motive and might have been able to
00:55:27
get into the house, right? >> They would have known that there was no man there. Um, the other thing too is I
00:55:33
also wondered if it was somebody a little more that that less that didn't have an axe to grind. I wondered if
00:55:39
maybe they hadn't changed the locks when they moved in that if somebody would have had a key and knew that women lived
00:55:46
there and they were some sicko and decided, well, this is an easy target for me,
00:55:50
>> right? The thing here is though, the more that I look at this, I feel like a guy like Robert Cox kind of fits this
00:55:58
case better than somebody that knew them. I think I personally think that if it wasn't somebody that knew the
00:56:05
victims, I think that we might have the the the main guy or guys on our list that we talked about today and
00:56:12
yesterday. And I think a guy like Robert Cox could have saw one of those young attractive women driving around or
00:56:18
walking around like you said, followed them back to the house. And it may be something as simple as two girls coming
00:56:26
in late at night. One of them didn't lock the door and he sits outside and he waits for all the lights to turn off and
00:56:32
he waits 45 minutes or an hour afterwards. Probably assumes that they've all gone to bed by this point
00:56:39
and can catch them off guard. and he happened to go up to the door and it happened to be unlocked. He let himself
00:56:45
in. Turns on the TV to create some kind of white noise effect. Or maybe that has
00:56:50
something to do with the dog. I can't figure that part out. The lining up of the purses is weird to me, too, because
00:56:56
I can't fully grasp if that was something that was done by people that just happened to walk into the house
00:57:03
afterward. You know, that could have been the police said maybe nine or 10 people were in there,
00:57:08
>> right? or all the girls put put their purses together for whatever reason. >> But but it's still weird to me because I
00:57:14
believe that all three purses were in one bedroom, which would be weird that the mother would leave her purse in the
00:57:19
daughter's bedroom or the daughter leave it in the mother's. To me, it almost strikes me as,
00:57:25
>> you know, like when you sometimes when if these guys when they're in there trying to gain control of a situation,
00:57:31
they have to kind of calm down their victims. And and one thing that sometimes they will do is claim like,
00:57:36
"Well, I'm just here to rob you. I'm not here to take you anywhere. I'm not here
00:57:39
to do anything terrible to you. So, let's get I need everybody to get their purses." You know what I mean? That kind
00:57:45
of thing. Now, we know that the purses weren't ransacked because there weren't keys taken. There weren't money taken.
00:57:51
It it's been reported that maybe up to $700 was in Cheryl's purse, right? >> And that's the other thing why I think
00:57:57
that these three boys didn't did not do it. They they couldn't stop themselves from selling gold teeth for $30 to the
00:58:04
pawn shop, right? I don't think that they would have between the three of them been able to stop themselves from
00:58:09
rifling through the purses and taking cash money. >> Yeah, one of them would have.
00:58:13
>> Yeah. >> Well, and maybe the TV too was just turned on for for light. >> Yeah.
00:58:18
>> I mean, like couldn't find a switch or whatever. And the busted uh front porch
00:58:22
light always gets me >> is weird. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, this Cox guy, it's like I I
00:58:28
want to call him something. Mhm. >> You know, it's I I don't know what it's called. It's It's right on the tip of my
00:58:34
tongue. >> Yeah. I don't really think with the three boys I don't Look, just because
00:58:41
you're able to steal stuff from a grave doesn't mean that you're able to actually kill and and and bury three
00:58:50
individuals. Uh I I don't know. But I think this Cox character I wish he'd come forward and say more and uh you
00:58:58
know maybe he will one day and maybe the community and the family members will get some closure cuz like I said I mean
00:59:05
it's just it's you know it's tragic that it's women but also women that were just
00:59:10
in their prime of of really creating a life and a future for themselves. Well, the thing here is too what I would like
00:59:17
to see happen is I would like to see law enforcement really stay on to Larry Hall
00:59:23
and his brother Gary Hall, not just for the sake of this case of the Springfield
00:59:28
3, but it looks like Larry's certainly guilty of a lot of other things that we are yet to know about. And he seems like
00:59:35
he somewhat wants to talk and get some of this stuff off of his chest. He's he's confessed to things, recanted. He's
00:59:42
confessed to things where he's not given names or places or dates. I think at some point if you pressure this guy long
00:59:48
and hard enough that I think that he will open up and talk and maybe we can get some of these get some closure for
00:59:53
the families and get some cases off of the books. The other thing too is don't forget about the brother Gary. He seems
00:59:59
to want to talk even though he's throwing all the blame on his brother Larry. Let's let's get him to talk as
01:00:05
well because maybe he can help us out even even if Gary's not guilty of anything. maybe he can help us out with
01:00:11
with cases involving his brother. >> And to the brother and to all the families really, we're we are sorry for
01:00:17
your loss and and hopefully one day we'll get closure and and I don't understand why the police department
01:00:23
wanted to say, "Hey, look, we're going to do testing on this concrete and at least uh to figure out if this is yes or
01:00:30
no >> and so that they can move forward and like I said, the community can move forward as well." All right, recommended
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reading for this week. For this week, we are recommending Warnings Unheated by Andy Brown. Uh, this is really an
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incredible story. Andy Brown tells the true story that he lived. This is the true story of a law enforcement officer
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01:01:20
hot in the garage. >> Hot in the hot tub. >> Thank god it's warming up though. It's
01:01:23
getting hot in the garage and the captain needs to cut the grass. [laughter] >> I'm not cutting the grass. That's what
01:01:28
you cut the grass. >> All right. We want to thank everybody for joining us in the garage this week.
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