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[Music] details [Music] oh [Music] [Music] make [Music] to make to life [Music] parts of the following are from the book
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presumed Guilty by Steven singular on June 17th 2016 the Boulder Police Department
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arrested Gary Oliva age 52 for uploading 20 or more images of graphic child pornography to a Google
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email address Google then sent a cyber tip to the National Center for missing and
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exploited children forwarded on to the Boulder Police Department via the Internet crimes against children task
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force some of the images showed a girl thought to be between 4 and seven engaged in sexual acts with an adult
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male whose face could not be seen Oliva a homeless registered sex offender had been arrested in Boulder in 2000 for
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possession of marijuana and a stun gun a weapon that veteran homicide investigator Lou Smith believed had been
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used on John Benet Ramsay on the night of her death in Boulder in late 1996 when arrested in 2000 Aliva was
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carrying a photograph of the victim and a poem entitled owed to John Benet several media Outlets report that
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Colorado inmate Gary Aliva has confessed to murdering John Benet numerous times but has never been charged Gary Oliva
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has a history of violence and has been convicted of several sex abuse offenses including first-degree
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rape while in prison Gary draws pictures of John Benet and writes letters to those on the outside requesting that
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they send him pictures of the little girl who is Forever Frozen in time at the Young ages of just four five and 6
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years old in dozens if not hundreds of images available on the internet Gary penned the following letter about John
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Benet ramsy to an old friend while passing time during a stay at the Boulder County Jail the letter reads my
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heart was split and a flower appeared and Grace sprang up and it bore fruit for my God you split
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me tore my heart open filled me with love you poured your spirit into me I knew you as
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myself my eyes are radiant with your spirit my nostrils fill with your fragrance my ears Delight in your music
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and my face is covered with your do blessed are the people who are planted on your Earth in your garden who
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grow as your trees and flowers grow who transform their Darkness to light their Roots Plunge Into
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Darkness their faces turn toward the light there is Infinite Space in your garden all people are welcome here all
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they need need do is enter I love you John Benet it would be worth it to take the blame for
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you at the center of the letter is a very accurate pencil sketch of John Benet Gary was in his early 30s when
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John Benet was killed and some records indicate that he was living at an address located approximately just3
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miles from the ramsy household where John B slept that Infamous night that is just a six-minute walk
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from door to door or from door to point of entry and of course even faster if one were to run and cut through
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yards Gary Howard Oliva has an estimated mandatory release from prison scheduled for March of 2024
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this is true crime [Music] garage when you talk about the John Ben Ramsey case there is a suspect that just
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will not go away and for good reason suspicion levels Run High with this one captain and we will get into some of the
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arguments for why Gary Aliva is a great suspect and also the reasons why maybe he is not such a great suspect in the
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still yet to be solved never an arrest made or charges brought forth in the soon to be 27-year-old homicide case of
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little six-year-old Boulder Colorado beauty pageant winner the one we called Little Miss Christmas
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John Benet ramsy seems now all of these years later so hard to believe that Jean Benet who
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as we said in today's trailer seen all of those pictures that we all have seen over the
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years of her at home with family or in one of those many beauty pageants she is Forever Frozen in time to the young age
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of just 5 or 6 years old she would have been in her early 30s today maybe even celebrating Christmas with a child or
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children of her own this year and with many famous cases and some could argue that this is the most famous True Crime
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case of all time there's confessions there are several confessors and let's start off our
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timeline with this particular suspect and how he relates to the jeanet Ramsay case right so first the suspect that
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will not go away obviously is Gary Oliva there are many news outlets and online stories still this year in 2023 coming
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out about Gary and his potential ties to the Jean Benet case according to the sun
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Gary oliva's fixation with John Benet began decades ago he first landed on the radar of private detectives working for
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John Ramsey in the spring of 1997 after someone from the District Attorney's office called John Ramsey to
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alert him to a tip the Boulder Police Department had received about Oliva okay so to break this down a bit
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Jean Benet is killed either very late on Christmas night or very likely sometime
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before 5:52 a.m. Mountain Standard Time Thursday December 26th 1996 very quickly Boulder Police
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Department sets up a tip line call in let us know if you have seen anything heard anything or know who is
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responsible for this little girl's death but almost simultaneously Boulder Police
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Department is also becoming very suspicious of the persons in the house maybe John paty or both were responsible
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or involved in the death and cover up of John Benet what it appears that they did was to
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start the heavy focus on John and py so while they have this tip line a phone line for people to call in I believe
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that the actions of the Boulder Police Department or the lack thereof will strongly suggest that unless your tip or
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your information was about the Ramsay they were not going to waste their time following up on the tip so possibly
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knowing this in the spring of 19 1997 someone from the District Attorney's office called John Ramsey to
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alert him to a tip the Boulder Police Department had received about Gary Aliva however this is after receiving two tips
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about Gary Aliva the tip concerned information shared by a one Michael Vil who is upfront and Center on the
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internet you can Google his name you can search engine Gary Aliva and you're going to find Michael Vil you're going
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to see him conducting interviews and being asked questions about his friend Gary Aliva yeah quote unquote friend and
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Michael has been basically the spearhead since 96 waving the red flag saying you guys
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need to look into Gary yeah and so Michael Vil he doesn't live or did not live in
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Boulder back then he didn't even live in Colorado for that matter he lived in in
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a nearby state so he calls the tip line regarding a phone call that he said that
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he had received from Gary Aliva the night prior in that phone call Gary claimed to
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have harmed a little girl in Boulder Colorado MH so some reports state that Michael Vil who according to Michael may
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be Gary oliva's best friend or very good friend from high school some reports state that Michael called the tip line
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on December 27th 1996 so this would be the day after John benet's lifeless body was removed from the Ramsey home
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according to those reports Michael stated in the police tip that he was concerned because Gary calls him the day
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before so this would be right after the murder he says in the phone call Gary is
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crying and he said he would never be able to go to Michael veil's house again why because Michael his friend has
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children according to Michael V quote the phone call started with him meaning Gary sobbing into the phone he related
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to me that he had done something horrible he mentioned he was in Boulder the call Michael says came just after
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John Benet Ramsay's murder Gary told him he had hurt a child quote he was sobbing
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like you've never heard a grown man SOB or cry before in your life and I knew this was very serious end
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quote again the man he was calling about was Gary Aliva who is Gary Aliva well he's a convicted sex offender from
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Oregon who made frequent trips to Boulder according to police records back in 1991 months after Gary sexually
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assaulted a 7year old girl Gary tried to strangle his mother with a telephone court now fast forward to December 1996
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the month that John Benet is murdered Gary Aliva is reported to be a fugitive and a homeless Drifter who was in
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Boulder Colorado and has ties to and may have even been about a block away from the ramsy home and some people say that
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he was 13 houses away yeah that's I that's the trouble with the information about Gary Aliva MH you'll read some of
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these reports and these are coming from online articles and from newspaper articles some will say 14 houses away 13
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houses away 10 buildings away I've even seen eight uh I went on there and tried to count them the difficult thing is you
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you kind of got to go down the street and make a turn so depending on which way you want to count them right you can
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make it seem as close as you want distance-wise it's. 3 miles so roughly a six-minute walk and
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the thing here that we should be kind of clear about is what is unclear is if he
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was actually living at that building or that facility cuz there's actually two buildings
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there and we'll get into that here in a bit but some of the following is from CBS and 48 Hours
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investigates remember olly gray we talked about him a little bit last week Oly gray an investigator who worked for
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the ramsy for many years says that Gary frequented buildings owned by a local church which fed homeless people the
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buildings according to this report were just 10 houses away from the ramsy house
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Boulder Police Department investigators never responded to Michael veil's tip they never called him back to get
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further information and he reported the call for a second time three months later so when
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he doesn't hear anything back from his first tip he's very concerned he still sees that
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there's ongoing investigation going on on TV he calls back hey I called in this tip I have all this information that I
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believe is important to your investigation important to the murder of this little girl nobody called me back
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nobody asked for more information and he says that when he called back the second time 3 months
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later again he was met with silence when you hear Michael's story I think it it's
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more chilling when you find out that his communication with Gary was not over the
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phone normally and so this call was pretty much out of the blue and it it was the first time he talked to him in
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years years so you get a phone call from this guy that you once knew they say quote unquote friend but Gary was more
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of a acquaintance they went to a very small school so everybody knew everybody and now you got this guy from
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your high school calling you that and they used to call him Scary Gary was his nickname and scary Gary's on the phone
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crying and telling you he he hurt a child I mean you want to talk about an intense phone
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call and the only reason why he was able to put together any link to the John Benet Ramsay case was you know Gary is
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from Oregon so he started asking him questions and the more answers he got from Gary Gary was then catching on to
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the fact that that Michael is trying to get information from him and then disconnects the phone call so after this
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second tip comes into the hotline and once again not followed up on that is when quote someone at the DA's office
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and quote passes this tip to John Ramsay's team of attorneys and private investigators I have my suspicions here
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Captain we just mentioned olly gray and last week we spent a lot of time talking
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about the late great Master detective Lou Smith we briefly discussed Oli Gray with John Anderson but who is Oli gray
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and why like L SMI is he so important to this case well L Smith was not the first
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investigator to work for the boulder District Attorney's office trying to build a case against the Ramsay's and
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then decided to quit and then later I don't know if I would say l SMI teamed up with John Ramsay but he
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certainly went to that side of the argument right so the short of it is Lou Smith is brought in to investigate the
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murder of John Benet that's what he's told once he gets there he's seeing the situation very
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differently he's seeing Oh I was brought in to build a case against the ramies not really to investigate the case
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and once he says look the evidence isn't leading me to your theory or to what you
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believe has happened here I can no longer in good faith work for your office well he's
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actually following the trail that was blazed by a one Ali gray so oi gray same situation he's a private investigator
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working for the DA's office Boulder Colorado DA's office later he quits and then he goes and
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joins he officially joins John Ramsay's investigator team private investigator team and what I think is so important
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there we sit here a thousand miles away from this case mhm almost 27 years after
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the fact there's so much Flim Flam crap Ola on the internet and even in respectable reputable newspapers
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about this case it makes it very difficult for two guys in a garage two handsome guys experts we may be in some
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kind of level of True Crime having done 700 episodes mhm 10 million if you include all the off the Record episodes
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10 million in one that's right but uh the thing here is it gets difficult for any True Crime buff to look at this any
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armchair sleuth basement detective whatever you want to call us to look at this case and go well I C if you if you
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can do that and you tell me that you know what happened here and who's responsible I will tell you you are a
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damn fool MH what I'm trying to point out here is that investigators with more expertise more experience and more
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knowhow than anybody any detective at Boulder Police Department when they were brought in to see things and investigate
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this case and get paid to do it up front and center both of those detectives walked away from the boulder District
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Attorney's office because they were not building a case against the Ramsay so I think it's
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important to go look these experts who look we we are nobody's perfect every human is flawed in some
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way they could be wrong too but the one that were at the center of this case that know far more than any of us ever
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will know or uncover in our entire lives walked away and went and joined the other
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team so again what did the Boulder Police Department do with this tip that came in from Michael Vil they did
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nothing why nothing well according to L Smith the Boulder Police didn't follow up on 95% of the more than 3,000 phone
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tips that came in 3,000 phone tips come in and according to this detective who is much more religious
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than the captain and I M he says 95% of these tips were not followed up on by Boulder Police Department in Gary ala's
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case police didn't investigate him until nearly four years after John benet's death that is when Gary was arrested in
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Boulder in 2000 for possession of marijuana and a stun gun when arrested in 2000 Aliva was carrying a photograph
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of John Benet Ramsay and a poem entitled owed to John Benet of course most know when reviewing
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Lou Smith's Intruder Theory one of the aspects of that case that he was looking into was the possibility that a stun gun
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caused two yet to be identified marks left on the victim so that was back in 2000 but Gary can't stay out of trouble
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in 2002 he was wanted in the state of Oregon for for probate for probation violations he turned himself into
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Boulder Police his words in 2002 he claims he never used that stun gun on a child he says he did not hurt or kill
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John Benet when asked whether he told his friend that he was attracted to little girls he said quote I don't want
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to talk about that sounds like a omission of guilt there yes exactly but it's also tough in
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this case because the Boulder Police Department we we both I think lean towards the idea that they came up with
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their theory that the parents were involved when the parents are the murderer of this girl now we have to
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build the case around this conclusion MH and that's not how this is supposed to work you're supposed to follow the
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evidence and the evidence leads you to a conclusion but I also don't fault people
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some of the comments that we got about the Lou Smith episodes were well he had this tight relationship with John Ramsay
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so therefore that would be that would hinder him able to look at this uh with an unbiased lens and and
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I'd argue that I think they're correct I think any relationship that you have with the the parents would on some
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level make your thoughts biased yeah and this relationship if if we want to call
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it that it develops to that at some point later much later and as we talked about last week L Smith was
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unfortunately at uh paty Ramsay's deathbed and the thing here though that I think we need to keep in mind a couple
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of things I I'm with you fully Captain I'm with the listeners out there that brought up that fine point Point yes it
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it could easily Cloud one's vision and judgment when you develop some kind of respect or relationship with the parents
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of a dead child the other thing though too is keep in mind Lou Smith tells his good friend
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John Anderson when he's asked when he's hired by Boulder District Attorney's office he
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says well this probably won't take very long the the parents are one of the parents are probably guilty here this is
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before he's seen any of the evidence right he's telling his good friend that yeah I'll go down because L Smith's wife
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was terminally ill at that time she was unfortunately in the process of dying herself and he was very committed to his
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wife and a couple of his friends say really you're going to go out of town and take this job out of town when your
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wife probably needs you here but this guy felt that he had a that he had had a duty and a
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responsibility to these victims so strong that he was willing to take time away from his wife to go down the
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Boulder and investigate this case and I firmly believe what Lou was telling his friends at the time he didn't think it
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was going to take very long because he's read the he's read the newspapers he's read and seen what's being on the news
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right here where every talking head out there is saying well this is an open shut case one of the p of the family
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members did it one of the parents did it and so he walks away that valuable time
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with his wife to go down and investigate it and what does the evidence tell him the evidence he's seeing is he's finding
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Elon Musk is calling it these days about last week's episodes with John Anderson
00:33:47
and as they relate to the John Benet case it we know we did our six parter and we proudly re-released that in the
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garage refill most ch Christmases because we're very proud of those episodes but this case is so big and we
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really wanted to spend some time looking at some different aspects that we were not able to dig into but also to get
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some others to come in who have some expertise in this case right some direct involvement in this
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case and just ask them what did they witness what did they learn about this what are their thoughts and opinions on
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the case and get some outside perspective so thank you to John Anderson for joining us last week you
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want to talk about outside perspective remember when Gary Aliva is when he's arrested he
00:34:37
says when asked are you attracted to little girls he says I don't want to talk about that that was a quote direct
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quote Yeah I don't want to talk about that well Gary doesn't want to talk about that but we will so let's go way
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back back before the murder of John Benet again from CBS Michael Vil Gary's good friend from from high school says
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that After High School Michael and Gary thought a fun way to keep in touch would
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be through the use of audio tapes mhm so Michael and Gary would each record something on a cassette tape and then
00:35:09
send it to the other one to listen to that's how the captain and I spent our time before the creation of
00:35:15
podcast so Michael says that the tapes what's that making tapes and sending them to each other so Michael says that
00:35:24
the tapes were just kind of this goofy thing that they did right right like Michael saying that he would go to Carl
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Jr's I think that's a fast food joint right so he'd go to like a Carl Junior's and interview someone there and then
00:35:38
send the cassette tape to Gary Right Gary would do things like going to a grocery and pretending to interview a
00:35:46
cookie you know so kind of fun creative goofy stuff right but according to Michael in 1989 ala's tapes changed
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dramatically and the tapes start started getting dark and then depraved and even
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went beyond that they got sick they got sicker Michael says some of the stuff would turn his
00:36:08
stomach saying that on one tape Gary was pretending to be babysitting a friend's
00:36:12
daughter yeah on one tape Gary talks about raping a little girl on that same tape simulating a
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rape on another tape Gary talks about hurting a child listen to this quote from Michael saying Gary said on one
00:36:30
tape quote some of the things I do like making bacon strips out of little girls you see I'm into it you know end quote
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so Michael says these tapes got very strange very disturbing starting in 1989 now let's go to
00:36:47
1990 when Gary gets arrested for molesting a 7-year-old girl in the police report complaint the little girl
00:36:54
says Gary touched her butt and in her vaginal area three different times while showering with the little girl this
00:37:04
little girl was left alone with Gary now I have Gary Howard Al Lea's birthday as
00:37:10
1964 my state school math tells me that old Gary is about 26 years old when these incidents occurred now I'm not
00:37:19
victim blaming here and I'm guessing there are others that have regrets about this whole
00:37:25
situation the captain and I while different people in many ways we are very much the Everyman so sort of every
00:37:33
man splaining here to the ladies I can say with 100% confidence as a man as a grown man who has lived through and
00:37:41
thrived even in my 20s no regular guy wants to have or hang out with a kid that is not his or related to him it's
00:37:50
boring and it's annoying and definitely not hang out with a child in a shower exactly
00:37:57
if if you do not have to pay or beg a guy at that age to watch your kid or to be left alone with them then there's
00:38:06
probably something wrong with that dude that is probably not a normal guy mhm we've reviewed too many of these cases
00:38:15
where after a rape molestation weird photos were taken of a kid or kids and the parent or Guardian is saying I left
00:38:21
her with a neighbor he always seemed like a nice guy I left her him with my brother's friend who I had met three or
00:38:27
four times I thought it would be okay nope if a regular guy really doesn't want to spend time with your kid that he
00:38:35
doesn't know yeah Adam Cora used to have a joke that when they ask for chaperon for a school event whoever raise their
00:38:43
hands first you have to eliminate ex and it's it's the guy that is begging you not to the guy that begs you not to be a
00:38:53
chaperon is the guy that you actually want to be a chaperon that's the thing like Boy Scouts Cub
00:38:59
Scouts all those things you investigate all the problems and the issues organizations like that had and you
00:39:05
realize very quickly wait a second there's grown men with no children of their own involved in this organization
00:39:12
volunteering large amounts of their time those are the people they always end up
00:39:16
having problems with well it's not saying that there's not good people that want to leave a good Mark on society but
00:39:25
that's a very very small percent of very small there's a higher number of people that want to do
00:39:32
bad things to kids and that's why they position themselves around children yeah okay so that was 1990 now we go to the
00:39:40
next year 1991 in May of 91 Gary Aliva is arrested for attempting to strangle his mother with a telephone cord this is
00:39:48
in Oregon according to the police records obtained by the US son during the course of the attack Gary threat
00:39:56
threatened his mom warning quote I should have killed you a long time ago he also stated when the sheriff arrives
00:40:03
they will find you dead Aliva removed a butcher knife from the drawer and had it
00:40:09
in his possession the the report reads Aliva also pulled a telephone cord loose from a
00:40:16
telephone back in the day young listeners we had phones that hung on the wall in our house by cords and they
00:40:24
would have a cord and he pulls this cord out from the telephone wraps it around his mother's neck and he begins pulling
00:40:33
it tight it makes you wonder if there was some kind of abuse towards Gary as a child or maybe there's there was a a
00:40:44
sexual abuse towards Gary that maybe his mother knew about but didn't do anything
00:40:49
about um really begs the question of when he says I I should have killed you a long time ago go Aliva ran off before
00:40:59
police arrived but was later caught and jailed for 17 months in 1996 John B Ramsey is killed and then on a cold
00:41:07
December night marking One calendar year since John benet's murder dozens of mourners showed up for
00:41:14
a candlelight vigil outside the Ramsey home one man present there that night was of interest to the Keen Eye of the
00:41:22
master detective Lou Smith that face in the crowd was Gary Aliva quote many times criminals do
00:41:31
return to the scene and that was on the anniversary that puts him right there at
00:41:37
the Ramsey house a year later end quote says Lou SMI December 12th 2000 Aliva is arrested
00:41:46
on the University of Colorado campus on charges of Criminal Trespass drug possession and possession of a weapon by
00:41:55
a prior criminal off offender at the time of his arrest Gary was found with a stun gun in his possession in addition
00:42:01
to a photograph of John Benet and a poem he had written about her in 2002 Lou Smith told CBS 48
00:42:11
Hours That Aliva may have been part of a group of several men who broke into the
00:42:17
Ramsey home now also in 2002 CBS news reports that police said Aliva is not a sus ECT sources say his DNA doesn't
00:42:29
match evidence at the scene end quote make special note of that because we will Circle back to that as we
00:42:37
go from a 2004 interview Gary Aliva claims he doesn't remember making the disturbing audio tapes the ones that
00:42:47
Michael Vil says that he received from Gary yeah they they just magically were created what he will admit to is an
00:42:55
obsession which with John Benet and claims to have a problem being around young girls well that's a polite way of
00:43:02
saying it mhm Aliva told 48 hours I believe she meaning John Benet I believe she came to me after she was killed and
00:43:13
revealed herself to me strange we do need to point out here and I I don't love this
00:43:23
statement it's been reported that Gary has has been classified as a paranoid schizophrenic right I don't know why
00:43:30
they chose to use the word classified rather than diagnosed so I don't I don't love that
00:43:36
statement but I've seen it several places in June of 2016 Gary is arrested on child porn charges now look I get it
00:43:46
we we I get this I get this tweet or a message almost every time that we cover one of these child cases unfortunately
00:43:55
we we we got these child cases that that we have to discuss we have to keep them
00:43:59
alive we have to keep them people talking about them so they can eventually be the Predator can be
00:44:07
found you got to smoke out that evil and I get it that people want to call it child sex abuse material there's
00:44:16
different there's all kinds of different terms being thrown around these days and
00:44:19
I think that's fantastic you are spot on that's probably what it should be called
00:44:23
I agree but here in the garage we t to call things what the charges would be once the perpetrator is in court facing
00:44:31
the charges yeah so we didn't create that term is child pornography right we didn't create that term we're just using
00:44:37
the term that law enforcement uses and people like to say look Nick when you say pornography that's suggestive that
00:44:44
the the child was a parti a willing participant right we're not suggesting that at all not at all in fact actually
00:44:52
the word child when applied in that phrase it it implies a child doesn't even have the ability to consent as far
00:45:02
as the the law goes right so just having the word child in there means that there
00:45:06
is no consent by the victim so let's go through these charges real quick here Captain Boulder Police
00:45:14
the same agency investigating the Ramsay case said that they arrested Gary Aliva
00:45:18
he was approximately 52 years of age at that time this was after getting that cyber tip that we talked about in the
00:45:25
trailer from from the national Center for missing and exploited children kudos to them that look look at this th this
00:45:32
agency this Foundation put together by the Walsh family doing its job here doing good
00:45:39
work pulling this sex offender off the streets they were the ones that discovered
00:45:45
this crime taking place they are the ones that notified the Boulder Police Department court documents in this case
00:45:54
show that Aliva down loaded 22 separate sexually explicit images all of the photos show children under the age of 10
00:46:04
this from someone at Boulder PD says we certainly understand the interest in Mr Aliva both in connection with the new
00:46:11
charges and his possible Connections in the past so this is a statement they are
00:46:16
referring to in 2016 these new charges this new arrest people were coming out of the woodwork
00:46:24
going hey hey was this guy a suspect in the Ramsey case and this is somebody at the boulder PD saying we're aware of
00:46:31
this guy M we're aware of the new charges and we're aware of his possible connection to the case in the
00:46:40
past the document showed that he downloaded the child pornography from an IP address that was very similar to where
00:46:47
he was registered as a sex offender in October of 2015 so that has to be bolder because
00:46:55
that's the agency that the national Center for missing exploited children contacted when they received this
00:47:02
information now nearly two decades after John Benet Ramsey was killed inside her
00:47:06
family's Boulder Home a suspect in the infamous Christmas night murder is behind bars accused of downloading child
00:47:14
pornography that was one of the subtitles for some headlines that were popping up in 2016 after this
00:47:22
arrest quote we haven't ruled him in or out in connection with the ramsy case said Sarah Huntley a spokesperson for
00:47:30
the city of Boulder what what how can you say in 2004 to CBS News MH we're not interested
00:47:44
in this guy he doesn't match the DNA at the crime scene and then in 2016 a direct quote from the city of Boulder
00:47:54
spokesperson with the city of Boulder we haven't ruled him in or out in connection with the ramsy case it can't
00:48:01
be both I think it becomes more complicated the more tests they did on the DNA the and as science catches up
00:48:10
there is some kind of mixture with the DNA and a lot of people believe that the DNA has been compromised because the
00:48:19
crime scene was so compromised exactly and I and I don't want to talk about it too much I don't want to stay on this
00:48:26
topic too much longer Captain unless unless you want to mhm because I'm worried that by speaking about it too
00:48:34
long we're going to will it into existence right is there a problem with this DNA right so let's not talk about
00:48:41
that too long but let's talk about the idea that there could have been two persons
00:48:49
responsible in some form or fashion and it's very difficult for a detective who's
00:48:58
investigated 200 homicide cases to pick up a guy and find a stun gun on him a picture of your victim a poem about the
00:49:09
victim you review his background and he's got first-degree rape charges against a seven-year-old girl John Benet
00:49:17
was 6 years old going on seven these these most of these guys have a type right they have a certain
00:49:26
age group that they like age is very important to them and the high school friend that Gary was making contact with
00:49:34
Michael says that he knew that Gary had a fascination with six-year-olds here's the thing Captain
00:49:44
here's something that did not happen in this investigation why because the the the men and women
00:49:51
working for the Boulder Police Department didn't have enough experience in this realm in this world in this sick
00:49:57
depraved world of child sex murder and that's not their fault good for them I hope and pray that all of us never have
00:50:08
to deal with this directly but here's the thing they were they were inexperienced and what they did not do
00:50:13
in this case is something that you know your old garage guys would be doing the old pervert Roundup it didn't
00:50:23
happen in this case and this case if this were my case and this were the captain's case you better believe your
00:50:31
ass mhm that we would be doing the old pervert Roundup and guess what if I find anybody any registered sex offender that
00:50:40
has that knows the Ramsay or has direct contact or even worked for John Ramsey you just went to the top of my
00:50:48
list I'm going to be at your door with a uniformed officer and a detective and your parole officer knocking at 6:
00:51:02
a.m. December 27th you'll be at the top of the list it was determined that there had been more
00:51:08
than 100 burglaries in the Ramsay's neighborhood in the months leading up to John benet's murder if you look at Gary
00:51:15
it's it's not just the fact that he has uh Obsession almost with six-year-old girls but he he's a he's
00:51:25
known to break into houses so is he responsible for any of these break-ins the other thing too that gets lost in
00:51:32
the sauce a lot of times when we talk about these crimes and what people are capable of look
00:51:38
a a a pedophile and a molester are not the same thing not all pedophiles molest or rape
00:51:48
children and not all child rapists are are technically pedophiles and I don't want to go down
00:51:56
that road too far uh there's a lot of investigating and learning and education out there on that subject but not just
00:52:06
the burglaries Captain here's what else was determined there was 38 registered sex offenders living within a two-mile
00:52:13
radius of the ramsy home yeah and you want to round all those up yep you need to you need
00:52:20
to be able to count them in or out and once you're able to do that then you could start
00:52:28
looking at other individuals and it moves very quickly you can move very quickly through these 38 this list of 38
00:52:35
you show up to somebody's door and they're not there they're in trouble they're in trouble if they're if they're
00:52:41
not if they've left the state for any reason they're in trouble they may not have killed John Benet but they're in
00:52:46
trouble with their parole officer if they've not notified this their officer in charge the other like I said I the at
00:52:54
the top of my list would be finding one of these 38 that has that knows John Ramsay or may even have worked for him
00:53:02
at one time if if if if I cross reference those two list and there's one name on on both of them that's the door
00:53:11
I'm knocking on first and then after that I'm starting with the closest registered sex offender to the
00:53:20
Ramsey home proximity wise and then Fanning out from there so listen to this captain in
00:53:26
2001 we we don't have to go down the road of the heavy Focus against the ramies that's been well reported by
00:53:33
everybody their brother and their cousin in 2001 former Boulder County prosecutor
00:53:38
trip deuth and Boulder County Sheriff's detective Steve answorth stated that there should be a more aggressive
00:53:46
investigation of the Intruder Theory this is in relation to that more than 100 burglaries in the neighborhood
00:53:55
and 38 registered sex offenders within a two-mile radius of the Ramsey home as we all know L Smith is convinced
00:54:03
that a pedophile came into the Ramsey home and killed the Ramsay's daughter L Smith said quote I've probably got 25
00:54:12
good leads and I probably have another 50 pages of other leads to follow among the files that L Smith kept on local sex
00:54:21
offenders in Boulder Colorado Gary ala's name stood out to Lou SMI Michael Vil believes that Oliva may have broken into
00:54:29
the Ramsay's home several times Michael says he left all of this information everything he knew at the
00:54:37
time on the Boulder Police tip line he says I told them about the cassette tapes I told them about the phone call
00:54:44
no one from the police called me no one called and asked to listen to any of those
00:54:52
tapes I had mentioned handwriting samples he had received letters from Gary he says I don't know what it's
00:55:01
worth but I thought here's a lead that you might want to follow up on you know he's back then in '96 he wasn't saying
00:55:09
my friend killed this little girl he's just saying I got this information you might want to look into
00:55:15
it he says I know this weird fellow that's in Boulder Colorado I left all that information about the tapes the
00:55:22
handwriting the phone call I called them and I told them that and no one from the
00:55:27
police department ever called and asked about any of the information I left again it goes back to that they already
00:55:35
came to their own conclusion so anything that doesn't fit that narrative they just didn't look at and
00:55:42
and it's just irresponsible I think what's interesting too about Gary being a suspect I mean go
00:55:51
back to the initial call to Michael the the night the day after John B Ramsey is
00:55:59
killed and he's claiming that he hurt a little girl he was also known in high school to
00:56:06
break into places and Ste art supplies because he was an artist yeah and you can see by the
00:56:15
letter that we discussed in the trailer or the poem that we discussed in the trailer he draws a a a pretty good A
00:56:23
very accurate depiction of John Benet there and so he is either schooled or practiced in at least
00:56:33
drawing and it's very interesting here so known according to Michael Vil that he broke into places and stole art
00:56:43
supplies amongst other things I'm sure there were other items that he probably stole not just looking strictly for art
00:56:49
supplies on these break-ins but what really strikes a nerve with me here Captain is when I hear that and then
00:56:58
compound that with all the information we already know right so we're not saying Gary Aliva killed John
00:57:06
Benet we are not saying that we know who did we are not also not saying that 100%
00:57:12
the Intruder theory is absolutely right no but what we are saying is we want to investigate and look at the totality of
00:57:21
everything in this case and you know when we talk to John Douglas legendary retired FBI profiler John Douglas the
00:57:30
Mind Hunter he said to us you know guys you profile the the likely offender you profile the victim you profile the
00:57:40
location and you profile the circumstances you have to incorporate that all into your thoughts and your
00:57:48
direction of who you think did that particular crime so we are trying to look at the the totality of everything
00:57:56
here and present it to you not just the victim not just the parents not just some sexual predator or sex offender
00:58:05
that lived nearby but the totality of everything that was going on in that City at that time because we don't know
00:58:13
what is relevant and what is not relevant until we look at each detail of this case well I think
00:58:21
that's a important thing to to point out I think a lot of individuals that have listened to our six part series they
00:58:30
they come to a conclusion of what they think we believe and what I've had to argue since
00:58:37
we put out that series is the only thing that I feel that I know or what I've learned so far is that she was
00:58:47
murdered now if your suspect is paty or John or an intruder or Gary well fine but all I feel that I I
00:59:01
have learned based on the autopsy and other evidence is I I don't believe it was
00:59:07
some type of cover up the now if you would say there was a murder that took place and the parents tried to cover up
00:59:17
through a ransom note well okay fine but there's still there was a still a murder
00:59:21
that took place and that's the only thing that I feel that I I know or have learned and that I could argue and I
00:59:30
think where our thoughts and opinions get a little murky to the listeners is it one we are different people with with
00:59:38
different thoughts and opinions on most cases especially this case right so my words are not your words and my words
00:59:46
were simply look this is a very confusing and complicated case right how however I
00:59:55
have a lot of respect for some individuals that work this case hands on their own eyeballs earballs and hands
01:00:02
were on this case this investigation evidence that none of us have else have seen right we've never been inside the
01:00:10
ramsy home but those investigators that I respect so much John Douglas L SMI John Anderson olly
01:00:20
gray those guys were pretty damn brilliant at what they did were they 100% were they perfect no that's
01:00:27
impossible but those four guys were really damn good at what they did and those four guys say look the evidence to
01:00:34
us suggest that the int the Intruder theory is most likely correct none of them are saying 100% they all say most
01:00:44
likely the correct Theory now circling back to Gary Aliva for the Intruder Theory to be
01:00:51
correct what do we need what's the ingredient in that sauce does Gary check those boxes well
01:01:01
we know that he likes to break into homes or at one time did break into buildings we need someone to have broken
01:01:09
into this home yeah a violent individual we know that he has a history of violence attempting to choke and and
01:01:17
threatening to kill his own mother we know that he's a documented without argument pedophile first-degree
01:01:27
rape conviction on a 7-year-old girl yeah victimology wise that's not too far from Jean Benet we need to be able to
01:01:36
put this individual in the area he is in the area it gets a little convoluted here Captain because I've read plenty of
01:01:44
articles that do say that he lived 10 to 14 houses away from the ramies right what I think we can confirm what I feel
01:01:52
confident in reporting to everyone is that he had Direct ties to a building that was 10 to 14 houses away I believe
01:02:03
that's where he was receiving mail he yeah he he he was known to have picked up some mail there and keep in mind that
01:02:09
church and the church buildings there there's more than one building at least two that I've identified they were
01:02:15
feeding some of they were feeding the homeless and and he was known to go and eat there so he whether or not he lived
01:02:23
there is up for debate whether or not he even stayed a single night there up for
01:02:28
to debate as far as I'm concerned what is not up for to debate is that he had ties to that building right so you can
01:02:35
put him in the area we know that he's a pedophile we know that he's broken into homes we know that he has a history of
01:02:40
violence those are four things that is required of your Intruder of your suspect if you like that theory he
01:02:48
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