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[Applause] [Music] all right all right oh man oh man and we're back and welcome to this show
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up y'all having a great time I guess we should start off by talking about extremely wicked shockingly evil and
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vile the new Ted Bundy movie right or the Ted Bundy Netflix movie as they're calling it on the streets streets of
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Columbus starring Zac Efron I would say he was very good 5 out of 5 bottle caps for Zac Efron okay okay
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cuz I was gonna say wait a second you told me lower than that for your overall opinion of the movie and I'm like well
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what has changed and in the short period of time yeah but his performance was his
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performance great yeah yeah and it was interesting too because I knew that James Hatfield was in the movie
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beforehand that was I think Zac Efron was talking to like Jimmy Kimmel or somebody mmm-hmm and said oh yeah you
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know James Hatfields in this movie and it was an honor to meet him because he's a huge Metallica fan and then I was
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thinking why is James Hatfield in this movie he should be in every movie well he's a police officer which is
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interesting yeah and he does a great job he's in a couple scenes and he cleaned up his look a little bit to look the
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part you know like I think there was some shaving that occurred beforehand and we
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didn't see like you know tattoos sticking out from the the police uniform yeah and there's but there's this weird
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connection because Joe Burling our the director which most people know from through the docu-series Paradise Lost
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mm-hmm which had tons of Metallica songs in it he also him and some other guy there they were a documentary team they
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did some kind of monster which was a documentary about Metallica so it's probably just like hey James do you want
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to be a part of this movie it's going to be on Netflix and there's a lot of people in this movie
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that you see that you normally won't see in certain roles like Sheldon for example is yeah you know what I actually
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thought the the surprise for me was it was pretty star-studded ya know like there was some there was
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some big actors and big actresses in it and I had it on my to-do list of things to watch I'm not gonna lie it was not
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like super excited to watch it for somebody who's spent so much time in one's life reading about Ted Bundy I
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thought oh here's another Bundy thing and some of the ones that have been done in the past there's been at least one
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maybe two Bundy movies let's say before those were not good but those didn't have those were those were not good yeah
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though those didn't have like much of a budget you know where this you could tell they had they had a lot of time and
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a lot of money to spend on it and who was the guy that played the judge cuz I can't think of his mouth Oh John
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Malkovich and he's fantastic he's on a judge another five out of five bollocky yes absolutely in Sheldon whoever that
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guy is five out of five bottle caps I think he was extremely believable as a prosecutor and I like the way he decided
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to portray the character yeah it's kind of a weird thing Jim Parsons is his name
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okay amazing actor but because he's so great at Sheldon you're always gonna think of him as Sheldon like Kramer
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mm-hm Kramer was so good as Kramer you're like ah you know Kramer but yeah john malkovich 5 out of 5 stars
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I thought Jim Parsons 5 out of 5 bottle caps Lily Collins which was the girlfriend the Elizabeth Kendall okay um
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Lee's five out of five bottle caps for sure and a lot of people can on the fence
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we had hailey Joe Osmond Osmond which was the boyfriend after Ted Bundy what is he the I see dead people kid yeah and
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that's the thing is like his face hasn't really changed much so yeah he's gonna look like he's in
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his teenage years I mean he's got a young looking face yeah yeah unless they start like unless he gets attacked by a
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couple house cats or something he's always gonna have that baby face he you can put the biggest beard on him but I
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thought he did it I thought all the actors in general were great I thought the I thought the sixth sense
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guy was was very good actually yeah and it took me half the movie to figure out who he was and how where I've seen him
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before because we're talking about you know he played that role as a little boy and now he's he's a full-grown man with
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a beard except for his face except for his baby face so well what was interesting about this was it was
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released to some select theaters the original release was at Sundance but it was released in a couple select theatres
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so very interesting there because most of the time something goes to Netflix that's where it's at well and this is is
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this a Netflix original yes okay so but the fact that they put it out at a couple box offices so it did make a
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hundred and some thousand dollars at the box office but I think they just did that because I don't really know why but
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I think it's kind of cool that you could go watch it in theaters if you wanted to
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hmm and and and why not make if you're a big true crime family not make a night of it go out get some popcorn and I
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thought the movie overall was you know pretty good I was rating it for a while three out of
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five bottle caps as what I was given it and the more I talk about it and the more I think about it and the
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performance the ending was so good parts of the movie I think lacked but the end
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of the movie to me was so good that I'm like yeah three point five out of five bottle caps is probably what I give it
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but I think over time this is going to be a movie that people talk about and over time people will think wow this was
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a lot better than I thought well these types of movies and I don't just mean like a true story
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you know where you're you're really just going off of a true story I don't mean that I mean the serial killer type true
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stories right they're hard to do in my opinion I beat one not only because you know the general outcome of everything
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that's going to happen or take place or where it's going to lead by the end of the movie right but your main character
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typically you know here was Ted Bundy and he's not somebody that I like at all ever
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have and you're watching this person who you know is a horrible horrible individual doing normal day every guy
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every day stuff right and I think that makes it tough to to tell the story but for me personally it's it's a little
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different than it's actually quite different than watching like a slasher type film you know because in this
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situation you're watching a guy do everyday normal stuff but you know on the inside that's who he actually is is
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a slasher right so but it's tough here though too because you can be fascinated by certain serial killers you know a lot
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of people are fascinated by bundy has never been in my top three serial killers that was fascinated by but he is
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fascinating and but this is also based off of the phantom prints my life with ted bundy right elizabeth Kendall and so
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I think that's where some people have an issue with the the film is you don't see
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him commit any of these crimes you don't really they kind of make it blurry did he commit these crimes is he
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innocent but in the reality of things and in Elizabeth's reality she was she didn't know so now he's on trial and
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when he became on trial I think the trial was really important for her because if other people found him guilty
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then she won it fill the burden and I think she could live with that and then move on so it is a very
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interesting take on it like I said I think Zac Effron did a great job and and and also John Malkovich was amazing but
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he I mean John Malkovich is character which was what's so cool is at the end I'm not gonna give anything away but at
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the end they do show reel clips cuz some of this the trial was televised mm-hm and so the extremely wicked
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shockingly evil and vile that comes right from lines that the actual judge said to Ted Bundy
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during the trial so yeah and Lake Sammamish right right when they brought that up I was like oh yeah that weird
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Sammamish and we covered obviously the three the trilogy we did three parts on Ted Bundy so if anybody wants to listen
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back to those that can yeah the the only part I didn't care for that I didn't think held up to the truth very well was
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the disco or the nightclub when he's in in Florida because the the way that they
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portrayed it was he was still happy-go-lucky he was partying it up he was flirting with women and enticing
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women and they were they were dancing with him and talking with him and from what everything I've ever read regarding
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that portion of his serial killing career if you want to call it that right is that's not who he was at that time
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that he had he had spiraled completely out of control by that time and so much to the point
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that people that were there that night they said you could you could tell there was something off with this dude and
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girls wouldn't talk to him that night women wouldn't talk to him that yeah and so much because keep in mind too he goes
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to a college campus area and he's going to go to this area that's go and party with these young women that are you know
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college age or early 20s but by this time he's my older than that because he's moved his
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way across the United States escaped from prison twice and by then he would have been I maybe early 30s or something
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so it was a combination of he didn't look the part for that bar that that nightclub right that nobody really
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wanted to talk to him but it was also that he some people said you know how like with some of these individuals you
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can it's weird because some of these people I really feel like as they get older they really start to like the evil
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that's inside of them seeps out into their appearance at some point mm-hmm and that's what a lot of people kind of
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said about Ted Bundy by that point that he was there was something about him that was off and the whole reason why he
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went into the to the sorority was because he couldn't get a woman there that night that that was his intention
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to find a victim somebody that would be willing to go home with him or get in his car and they would be the victim in
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it and he couldn't control his murderous rage and addiction so much so that he had to find a victim when there was
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nobody that was willing to go with him because remember he used to use the a lot of ruses and a lot of you know some
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of his charm to just get women to go with him somewhere right and I the other problem I had with it was Zac Efron as
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Ted Bundy's walking down the street and all the girls are turning their heads and I think that's just a
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mischaracterization of what happened I think was Ted an ugly guy no he wasn't ugly he wasn't hideous but he used his
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charm and his ability to use a there's a conman yeah his lying skills were amazing so
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once you get inside that you know and that that's what's different you know a lot of times men are so visual and so
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drawn by outward appearances that you know once they start talking to her a girl at a bar that's not might that
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might not draw them in more but women are well he's decent looking or he's somewhat attractive then they start
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talking than the personality the charm comes out that makes him a more charming individual more likely to go home with
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that guy and so I just think that like there was a scene where he had to go to the library to study in every girl he
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walked past they're just kind of like googoo gaga eyes over him and it's like that just didn't happen in reality
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I'm and I also think too once the trial hit the television screen that pretty much anybody that was on TV back in the
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day was a celebrity so therefore he became a celebrity but even like Charles Manson which looks like a hideous little
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rat had people going oh my god he's so attractive because they hid that TV screen and now they become a celebrity
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well and for some reason some reason that I will never understand sometimes and it happens with men too but we were
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less aware of it but sometimes women become attracted to these horrible individuals that are on trial yeah and I
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mean Scott Peterson and turtle face there's there's a list of there's a long list of that scenario and like I said
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men have done it as well with some of these trials I don't know that you see what I would encode a Chanel quotes say
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the groupies but yeah but I think some of that this is gonna sound strange but I think some of that is because that
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person is safe I mean just one they're behind bars but they're safe because they're at a distance they can
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communicate with somebody that they think they know and really the communication is just kind of a
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time-waster or time filler for the person that doesn't want to go out into the real world and try to discover
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somebody new a lot of times you find out that somebody went through a very difficult divorce or a very difficult
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breakup or even their partner passed away and then they became infected with one of these killers and I think that's
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because they're using as a mech mechanism to build some walls and so hey I can talk
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to this person that I can never meet because they're behind behind bars so Google users give it a 88% IMDB gives it
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a 6 point 7 out of 10 the critics give it a 52 which is pretty low and on Rotten Tomatoes which I believe is the
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Critics Choice or the critics score is 57 so critics not too good on this movie it
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seems like people that watch it are a little higher like I said I'll go 3 point 5 but ask me again in a year and I
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bet money I'll say a 4 out of 5 and what we what one what what score would you give it I think I'm right there with you
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I thought it was really good it's definitely worth watching it was better than I had expected and not be I think I
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had low expectations because I did have a couple people tell me that they didn't
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think it was very good it's under two hours I definitely think it's worth the watch oh yeah
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yeah you know for the true crime buffs out there it's it's a very entertaining movie and it's an interesting take the
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the the angle that they chose to look at this crime or this monster through well
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we could go through a lot of little details but I don't want to give too much away I really think this story
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develops and gets better towards the end and one of the best endings of a movie of this genre that I've seen in a long
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time but that's I think because they kind of play this whole did he do it did he not do it for a while right alright
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so we had a lot of discussion lately on a case we covered then visible man yeah so there were like there's been 55 blog
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post regarding the Invisible Man so if you go to the website it's actually broken up into two different posts there
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we have one that that's Paul Raymond Herod the Invisible Man a lot of people post
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there as well as the Invisible Man which is right underneath of it a lot of people posting there and wanted to take
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some time to address some things here because there were a lot of good questions in discussion regarding this
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case and at some point it got there were so many posts it got silly to me I'm like I just got to answer these in
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person with with you know with my voice at resident yeah I'm gonna knock on everybody's door and hey can I'll see
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you again well I got honey that's your blog post regarding detective Gregg's Lockhart who is the lead guy on this
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case now mind you he's working a bazillion other cases at the same time but a lot of cases but but for him I
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feel like on a personal level this is a number one this is the one that keeps him up at night this is the one that he
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probably spends a lot of his free time what's supposed to be off-duty time right working on this case and he's it's
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really interesting that he's chose to go kind of outside of the box a little bit
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on this like he is on the cases not just on web sleuths it's there because he put
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it there and for a time I he was answering people's questions on there in person in person which is the only way
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to do it yeah but so he brought this case to us I do want to address one thing real quick before we get into this
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because I actually have probably spoke to Detective Lockhart for I don't know five six seven hours once you factor in
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all the the text in actual face-to-face time and phone calls yeah so we had an hour-long show to do we knew a whole
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bunch more about this story but we had to leave some things out we had to trim it down so it would fit that hour and
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the whole goal with covering it is to one have put put ears on this thing so then we can in turn put eyes on the
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pictures that it still exists of this Paul Raymond Herod mm-hmm to figure out who he is but the first thing I do want
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to address is there there have been some people that have made the suggestion that
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this guy because we pointed out it appears that he's running for his life and also running from law enforcement
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and I want to really stress that law enforcement says that same thing as well that's their speculation and their
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speculation is that because whatever he is actually running from they feel that he cannot go to law enforcement with to
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to try to get protected regarding this so that means that he's broke some laws and yes it's obvious really the only one
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that we know of for certain is that he has stolen someone's identity but some people have pointed out that maybe he
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might have been in witness protection in the witness protection program and we are actually doing this individual
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disservice because if he is running from his life then we are we're putting eyes
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on his pictures and maybe identifying who he actually is and where he may be to this day that would be my luck well
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but the things that I want to address on that first is because some people have come at it pretty hard and I was going
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to read the there was one incredibly rude post but I won't read that I'll come on you you want me to read it yeah
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okay let me find it real Oh make me laugh I do have I do have to find it you know sometimes sometimes you the
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mean stuff is is not bad okay this is from somebody who will remain anonymous but if you want to see their
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name or have their Birnam s who are they're pretending to be you can go to our website and find this post so that's
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the post reads the both of you are absolute clunkers sorry but you are anchors yeah clunkers plonkers if
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there's even a 1% chance that he is in witness protection well then the idiot duo have put his life in danger
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where the idiot do oh by the way yeah if you're following along as you and detective Lockhart I doubt you'll post
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this because you seem scared of a negative comment but you guys but really guys give your heads a good
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shake it might wake up the last few brain cells you have oh really okay so I do want to point out here that detective
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Lockhart brought this case too and has consulted with the FBI first of all right okay so at no point
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in his investigation that has lasted about six years has anybody told him stop looking for this guy he's in
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witness protection right first of all second of all what's FBI probably wouldn't do pross possibly if that's who
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in fact put him in there okay but that would be my guess if somebody was going to put somebody a
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witness protection my guess would be the FBI would be a number one the thing here
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though is you got to use some damn common sense in this this is the age that we live in it well maybe this guy
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should shake his head well this this is the age that we live and I think that sometimes we get ourselves into trouble
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because there is a phone there is a device on us 24/7 and when we hear something or read something sometimes we
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feel compelled impulsively compelled to immediately put our thoughts out there and first of all I can't stand when
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people come forward with a really aggressive opinion and this doesn't have anything to do with our website or our
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blog it's more so just life in general somebody comes up with a real they're like here's my point
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this is what I think and boom I'm gonna be aggressive and rude about it because I really have no other information to
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actually offer in this situation so I'm just going to be rude well I got to point out in defense of this guy though
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or girl whoever's being captain rude pants right and defense of them if we would have been more clear that that
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Detective Lockhart did talk to the FBI did talk with other law agencies and we believe that this guy is not a part of a
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witness protection program then I see what guy probably wouldn't not made that comment I see what I see your point and
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that's a good point however the issues that I have with it is one a detective brought us this case so to to
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to shake us down is giving no credibility to us or to detective Lockhart either right and so we got
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involved because we want to help with cases and we we took this one on and I think that we might get some this thing
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might get some legs because of our show at least I'm hoping so but I just say use some common sense before we pull the
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trigger and I've been guilty of it too we're all guilty of posting something stupid or I probably posted something
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stupid in this actual thread here that we're discussing today yeah speak for yourself though but I think it is
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something that we all can fall victim to in a way because there is a device on us
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right there and then when we have these this is a nonsense thought I mean here's
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the other thing think about this for a second whoever put this guy let's pretend that
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he went into witness protection so the agency that put him into witness protection decided that the best way for
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us to protect you and to give you a new identity is for us to steal an actual identity of a dead child and that's
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gonna be who you become I make any damn sense they give you a fake identity they
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give you one that has never existed because that is your look that is your link for getting busted in the future is
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somebody going you can't be Paul Raymond Herod Paul Raymond Herod died in 1947 and you know you can't use somebody's
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all their information under your assumed or you're given identity because that's
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how that's the trail to getting you caught so that's not how those agencies operate first right but you're also
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assuming that the agency would have gave him a name of a dead child where you know the he could be a part of the
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witness protection program then wanted it out of that and then stole that name and and that's a leap that's gotta be a
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big leap it's a leap right I'm not saying that the agency gave them the identity of a
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dead shot I'm saying that according to this person who posted that's the assumption they're making and what I'm
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trying to clear up is that is not how they would do that that's not how they would go about their business and the
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the other thing that I take a little bit of umbrage with is the the line if there is even a 1%
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chance that he was in witness protection well you put a really low number on that
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1% chance let's think about that too for a second because we've covered a lot of
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missing-persons cases so if at any time we think that there is even a hint a hint of a chance that they could have
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been moved for witness protection purposes we shouldn't cover it that be every missing person right we would
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eliminate every one of our missing person case right because you'd have to say that there is a possibility right so
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this person maybe they just don't like missing persons cases which if you don't that's that's fair that's fine yeah and
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again you know I don't want to prop up this guy too much or girl too much but again maybe they just didn't like this
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episode we're having a bad day posted something that they wish they didn't post so well they can feel free
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to apologize at the website okay so I don't apologize don't worry about mmm right it's it's it's nonsense to be
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verbally aggressive to two people everybody has bad days speak for yourself so I'll speaking for others because it's
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not you know I have great days every day is great I do want to answer some of the
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questions so we can kind of clear some things up and I and maybe this isn't the best
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platform for it because I know that the Big Show is is where most of the listeners are but we we have other cases
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we have to get to so this is the platform that we're going to use so somebody commented on the situation of
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working at a nursing home with the the detective speculation that may be he gained the knowledge and gained
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the information necessary by working at Skippy's father's nursing home right and
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they they asked could it be true how could he couldn't beat I'm sorry I'm wrong posed to you they want to know if
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it would be that easy to steal a new identity and just with that that simple situation and what I can clear up here
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is this this is actually a fairly common thing especially back in the day when somebody was trying to assume an
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identity and run from something a lot of times not necessarily regarding a nursing home or knowing a parent of the
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individual of the identity that you're going to steal but a lot of times back in the day people would go to a
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graveyard and actually look for a headstone of a child that had passed away that would roughly be about the
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same age as them if that child had continued to live right and the reason why they do that and seek out children
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is because a lot of times especially with a young child a social security number has not been issued to them yet
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so technically all you would need and this is all that this Paul Raymond Herod the Invisible Man this is all he needed
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and this is exactly what he did back then he got enough information so he could secure a reprint or replica of the
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birth certificate for the actual Paul Raymond Herod for Skippy so once he has that information and has that piece of
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paper he can now use that to go and get a second form of identification something that will have his picture on
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it so this would be something as simple as a driver's license or state identification card any number of things
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then he's now going to use that birth certificate in that second form of ID and he's going to use that with the
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Social Security office so he can get issued a social security number that has never been issued for
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that individual yet and we know that from what detective Lockhart has told me that this form was filled out and sent
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via mail and he received a social security number back in the mail and once he had that he had that 1987 at
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some point he starts using that identity so that's how that went down yeah I don't know I thought that was a little
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bit of a leap as well but when you have nothing to go on and there's so little known I mean heck he's not even reported
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missing until six months later you know detective lock Lockhart has his hands full and tied with this case well that's
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where you would get a paper trail and that that's an interesting that's an interesting look at it I think because
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if this individual stole the identity just by simply walking through graveyards and looking at headstones
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we'll never know who you can't use that method to find this guy or find out who he actually was right but if you can say
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okay well he could have got the same information by actually working at this retirement community well there might be
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some kind of paper trail to this individual but again I mean it's it's it's so much heavy lifting for detective
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Lockhart because every situation anytime you find something where you think there's a breadcrumb you go okay well
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now I don't know what year this guy would have worked there I don't know what name he would have worked under and
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on top of that all these years later most of these places don't have those records still available right another
00:33:15
poster wanted to know detective Lockhart stated that most of his information came
00:33:20
from Marla who is the invisible man's wife ex-wife and her sister Kim but he said that it wasn't clear if Kim
00:33:32
provides information or what information that Kim provided so just to clear this
00:33:38
up I think all of the information that he has received from her family is only coming
00:33:44
from those are the two key sources so really everything that he is relating to us came from them I don't know what
00:33:52
information came from Kim and what came from Marla you see where I'm going with that right so that kind of clears that
00:33:59
one up a little bit as well this is a brilliant question and I was shocked in in actually didn't realize that we
00:34:07
didn't get to this in the episode so Amy from Ohio god bless you wants to know oh
00:34:14
wait she put Ohio in the post but says oh she's originally from Indiana okay so she wants to know take what we take back
00:34:23
that god bless you was the co-worker that stood up with the invisible man at his wedding ever interviewed if so what
00:34:31
did they have to say about him okay so this is very interesting this guy that was his best man at his wedding remember
00:34:40
he had no family there he had no friends there but he had somebody that stood in
00:34:44
as the best man that man worked with him there were co-workers but that man was appointed by the pastor by the person
00:34:52
overseeing the wedding because Paul wasn't going to bring anybody with him to the wedding and so the pastor's like
00:34:58
well we need a best man sir would you do it you know him from work so this was not a situation where this guy knew Paul
00:35:06
hardly at all they just happen to work together and he was doing a favor probably more so for Marla or for the
00:35:13
pastor rather than for Paul now this guy was was interviewed and actually identified through Greg Lockhart's hard
00:35:21
work in and out side of the box thinking when he posted the picture online he purposely posted so it was cut so you're
00:35:30
gonna see Paul Raymond Herod and then you're gonna see the guy that stood in as the best man because he knew that if
00:35:36
even if nobody could identify Paul Raymond Herod maybe somebody could identify that best man because Marla
00:35:42
couldn't even remember who it was that's how unattached they were to this individual so they found that guy well
00:35:53
tips of his contacted the Sheriff's Department said hey that's that's a guy in our family tree and so they they went
00:36:00
out and detective Lockhart interviewed this individual the individual couldn't remember the wedding and could not
00:36:06
remember Paul Raymond hair now this guy is I think he's 80 he's up there in age but
00:36:13
it was also such a small thing to him back then that why would he remember it you know it wasn't a memorable thing for
00:36:20
him he didn't really know this guy and it was Lockhart said it was kind of funny because the guy wasn't convinced
00:36:27
that they had found the right guy until Lockhart said well wait I have a picture
00:36:31
of you and the guys like oh holy [ __ ] that is me but yeah I don't know who this guy is and and and I and I believe
00:36:39
that this individual is telling the truth / what what Lockhart has told me yeah but you go man how many weddings
00:36:47
have you been in how many random dudes that you've never met you're the best man in the wedding you think you'd
00:36:53
remember that's kind of a decent story well yeah but like I said this guy's up there in age and this is this this
00:37:01
wedding happened almost 30 years ago yeah and it was probably it was it was a very small affair I mean it might have
00:37:08
been something he was only at for an hour right so great episode guys any chance there is DNA sitting around
00:37:17
somewhere on him did his wife save any of his belongings this is a good question yes she did still have some of
00:37:25
his belongings and what I've been told I don't know what information they have gleaned from that but what I've been
00:37:35
told is that a search warrant was issued and they have confiscated some items from Marla so and that was very recent
00:37:45
so one I don't know that they would need to sharing any of that information with
00:37:50
us and two they may not have any information as it stands now because that's such a recent activity right so
00:38:00
very smart again by Lockhart because Marla like he said sticks her head in the sand just
00:38:07
doesn't do anything doesn't really help with the investigation a whole lot so he
00:38:11
he went out of the way and got a search warrant to confiscate some of those some
00:38:15
of those items has the detective used facial recognition and set up a social media account with the picture also has
00:38:26
the detective got old yearbooks from the possible high schools in Yonkers the first the yearbook question no he's not
00:38:33
received those yearbooks he there's as he pointed out multiple schools he would like to receive yearbooks for about a
00:38:41
10-year time frame from each of those schools again we don't know who this guy was before we don't know his actual age
00:38:48
so that gets difficult you could do this through like classmates.com or something
00:38:54
he has done some of that online and I think I think on one of his vacation times when he's supposed to be off of
00:39:02
work and relaxing and clearing his mind I think at some point he's planning on going to new New York for his vacation
00:39:11
so he can go to those schools in person and see if they will hand over yearbooks
00:39:16
or at least let him look through them while he's there well some high schools will have the whole senior class
00:39:23
pictures like on the walls so he might have to go down all these always and look through all these old pictures then
00:39:31
regarding facial recognition yes that has been done they did that I think early this year like in January or
00:39:40
February where they did facial recognition and one picture did pop up it's an individual that was incarcerated
00:39:49
at the time that the picture was taken so the problem with that is they do look similar but I think the individual that
00:39:59
they found who was locked up I think that there's some things that don't gel with the time line for the Invisible Man
00:40:09
meaning he may have been locked up in elsewhere in another state while the Invisible Man was doing things that we
00:40:16
have documented and no actually occurred you know like his marriage in living for a time in Indiana things
00:40:23
like that were key work history and such yeah well these are all interesting so we got any more yeah there's a few
00:40:30
people that asked about the jacket that the Invisible Man is wearing them one of
00:40:35
the pictures so we only have a few pictures of the Invisible Man button one of them there is a jacket and it has
00:40:43
some type of logo on the you know where there would be like a breast pocket yeah
00:40:49
so that logo from what I've been told is of the chesty I I hope I'm saying that correctly because I I've only been told
00:41:00
that word but I remember Lockhart said that that Paul Raymond haired the guy using that identity worked for HS T's
00:41:08
Delivery Service or a chesties chips they delivered potato chips and filled up vending machines and went to grocery
00:41:15
stores things of that nature that logo on the the jacket is for that chesties place that he worked at and that
00:41:24
whatever that company is if I'm in fact saying it wrong is now defunct they're not they're not around anymore right
00:41:33
right so we've cleared that up here's an interesting one hey guys I did some digging and found that there is a Diana
00:41:40
ray samples that passed away just a couple months ago in Wichita Kansas at the time of her death she was 70 years
00:41:48
old so the right age to have been the ex-wife remember we have Marla who says that he the Invisible Man referenced an
00:41:57
ex-wife that he had been married once before and she remembered the name Diane or Diana ray hmm because of the weird
00:42:06
spelling of Ray are a E and she believed that not knowing when that marriage took
00:42:14
place she believed for whatever reason that it took place in Kansas so this is very interesting and I encourage
00:42:21
everyone that has good information to send it to detective Lockhart if it's something that you think is is a real
00:42:29
breadcrumb that should be investigated this this has been passed on to him I sent this myself to him but for any
00:42:37
other type of discussion any other questions or just thoughts in general on this case you can certainly put that on
00:42:45
the blog and I also recommend everybody go and read that as well because there's
00:42:50
a lot of interesting discussion on here and we have these types of cases every now and then captain we're about once a
00:42:57
month you know we'll get one that really gets people talking yeah you know is either Davis case yeah yeah yeah that
00:43:05
got that got a lot and a lot of the times it's uh it's good to speculate I think it's good brain activity and leads
00:43:13
us down different rabbit holes but maybe the detective would never think of it's kind of like what we
00:43:19
talked about what were some times detectives will go talk to psychics it's not so much that they believe in the
00:43:24
psychic but what do they tell him and does that lead them down a different path hmm that they haven't been looking
00:43:30
into yeah and then also John Douglas the John Douglas show got a lot of people interested a lot of people love that he
00:43:39
came to the garage which he didn't really come to the garage it was I right it was a phone interview I couldn't tell
00:43:45
ya I've had a there were a couple people that said the interview sounds fake in in in a sense it kind of is I mean it's
00:43:53
a real interview that I conducted on my cell phone cuz that's right that's the way that
00:43:58
when when Douglas reached out to the show yeah and I said you know he's [ __ ] John Douglas so I'm like however
00:44:07
you want to do the interview we'll do the interview I'll make it happen I'll get on a magic carpet and fly out there
00:44:13
and hang out with you if you want to do it in person but he said no you know and
00:44:18
we have multiple different techniques that we use for interviewing people that can't be in Columbus Ohio with us for in
00:44:25
an actual face-to-face interview the method he was most comfortable with which is the most difficult for us
00:44:31
putting together the show is he said just call me here's my phone number just call me on my land lockdown and Douglas
00:44:39
was so I mean he's such a nice guy he was really nice to me during the course of the interview so wasn't as nice to me
00:44:46
the reason why I wasn't that episode is we said hey mr. Douglas he said call me John and I go okay jack
00:44:52
he said I said John goddamn it and then he hung up the phone alright that's not true but so if if it
00:45:00
sounds to anybody like it's fake well it's because we we take his his parts from the the phone interview and we
00:45:08
really do a lot the captain does a lot of work to clean up my part so you don't hear this you don't hear this fanboy on
00:45:17
the phone with a with a bad connection talking to on also Don Douglas your ear will get tired of one Tambor so the
00:45:25
timbre of John talking on the phone what your ears get a little tired of that by
00:45:30
having instead of using the audio that we have from Nick in the phone call we just have him Reese a it so it's it's
00:45:39
exactly what he said on the phone it's just now coming through with high quality mic quality hmm and so then your
00:45:46
ear gets less tired of hearing the phone tambour well and in john ii doesn't necessarily hang on my words to get to
00:45:58
his answer and i think people got that vibe listening to the show hit this dude like i feel like his brain has just
00:46:07
absorbed so much information in these cases over the years yeah that it's like when you ask him a question
00:46:13
it's like winding up a like a toy that's just gonna go bonkers as soon as you hit
00:46:17
the start button you know he's he's just like the words can't get out of his mouth fast enough and he's probably in a
00:46:25
lot of that's probably because he's recalling from multiple things face-to-face interviews police reports
00:46:31
autopsy reports you know previous interrogations that he's read through the transcripts the court proceedings
00:46:39
he's pulling information from so many different boxes all at once that i i think he gets a little caught up in in
00:46:48
the words at times but yeah but it's similar to when we meet people that listen this show and they want to talk
00:46:53
to us about the show and that's also going to be about cases and then it well let's talk a little bit about this
00:47:00
case and a little bit about this case and if those cases are familiar in your brain then it seems as almost as if
00:47:09
you're all over the place right right but because I've had so many times where where somebody will be like wow you know
00:47:16
a ton of stuff and you're like planets because we we covered the case and we and we produced an episode and so all
00:47:25
those things kind of stick with you once somebody brings back up a case it might
00:47:29
take a minute oh yeah where was that case oh yeah yeah yeah what was the date oh yeah yeah and then also it's like go
00:47:36
boom boom boom boom and your brain is just exploding and one final one here captain cuz I love this one this is a
00:47:42
great great question great observation is was and on a negative 1 so the dipster dipster I think that the dipster
00:47:52
says couldn't help but notice John Douglas said that he thinks the family had nothing to do with the Jon Benet
00:47:59
Ramsey murder yeah very interesting it's not often someone close to a case will claim that is there anywhere he
00:48:07
elaborates on this further so and I posted a response to that one he has a book called the cases that haunt us and
00:48:17
it's it's it's a collection of different cases some that he was very close to and
00:48:23
some that he's just looked into from afar but it's a fascinating book because a lot of the cases that are in there if
00:48:29
not all of them are all cases that are pretty well known to not just true crime but the people but the general public as
00:48:37
well and so he I if I'm recalling correctly I believe he has a whole chapter in there on the Jon Benet Ramsey
00:48:44
case and his thoughts and he actually met the father he actually met John Ramsey yeah I have not read that book
00:48:51
yet but that's one I should put on my list Mike my caveat there where I I you know
00:48:58
big fan of John Douglas I respect him immensely my my caveat there is the things he says about the the Ramsey case
00:49:09
is is very fascinating and yes he definitely has some much-needed insider information
00:49:15
that I'm glad got tossed out there in the public through his book but my only caveat there is just keep in mind that
00:49:23
he was not the only retired FBI agent that was asked to be hired by the Ramsey family right there were other
00:49:34
individuals that turned it down now that's that doesn't mean that the John Douglas is wrong because obviously we
00:49:41
don't know the truth well you can be hired by somebody and and and believe that they're guilty well any he does say
00:49:48
in the he does say in the book that you know I told John Ramsey to his fate or told him on the phone
00:49:55
yeah I'll I have reservations about going out there and meeting with you because of where I think the case stands
00:50:05
but also I want to let you know just because you're hiring me doesn't mean that I'm going to be on your side right
00:50:11
you know so you can hire me but I want to warn you that you might not like my findings very somewhere with a Courtney
00:50:20
Love in the Kurt Cobain case mm-hmm hiring a private investigator and him telling her hey just because you pay me
00:50:30
doesn't mean I'm not gonna follow the evidence so but interesting to hear that because as I go back and forth on the
00:50:39
Jon Benet Ramsey case to have an expert opinion even though like I said I haven't read the chapter yet he kind of
00:50:50
nonchalantly says hey they were revitalized and and that he didn't believe that had anything to do with the
00:50:58
murder [Applause]