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true crime. [Music] [Music] Hello. [Music] In the days before she went missing, Shelley got a number of calls from her
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distraught daughter asking her to come out and help her move back to Ontario. But within hours, Emma would call back,
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telling Shelley not to come. But mother's intuition told her she needed to without telling her daughter. Shelley
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boarded a plane. When she got to Victoria, the shelter said Emma was gone. She'd left just hours earlier.
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Emma was last seen by two police officers walking near the harbor, just meters away from where the dive team
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concentrated its search today. I thought that it would just be a matter of time.
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I'd go around a corner and I would see her. Now she says she knows it won't be that simple. Emma's belongings were
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discovered in her van. She hasn't accessed her bank account. Her mother believes Emma is suffering from a
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serious mental health issue and may have gone into hiding. Police also believe she's still alive. You know, we've had a
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little bit of a cooling off period. Maybe that she's not feeling like there's so much pressure and we're kind
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of hoping that we'll find her now. Maybe that piece will come in or maybe she'll
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contact somebody in the family and uh we'll be able to make sure she's safe. But the efforts of Vic PD investigators
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and teams of volunteers have turned up nothing. Emma was scheduled to return to work at Red Fish Bluefish restaurant
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last Friday. Her mom hoped she'd just show up ready to rejoin society. She did not. Haven't lost hope that that would
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be absolutely not the case. Um it's just going to take longer than I thought. I guess
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[Music] [Music] [Music] This week we have the mysterious disappearance of Emma Filipof. This was
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a big case in Canada. I am a little behind on this one, I must admit. I just pretty much recently learned about this
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case. Emma's case was and still is well covered in Canada news and media. And in
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November of 2014, the CBC aired the fifth estate documentary about Emma called Finding Emma. Emma went missing
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in Victoria, British Columbia, but was originally from Perth, Ontario, which is about a 45minute drive if you obey
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Canadian and US traffic laws and hold a passport. So to put this in perspective for everyone, Perth is pretty much just
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north of New York State and Victoria is all the way over by Vancouver, basically
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just north of Seattle. Emma, as said, was from Perth. She was born January 6th, 1986. Emma, from listening to others
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talk about her and describe her, she was a creative, artistic person. From all accounts, a pretty private person as
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well. She played the ukulele and always wore long pants. She had long hair and she looked different to me in some of
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the pictures that I saw, almost like I was even looking at a different person. You know, I saw several pictures that
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were used for missing posters and of her in recent years before she went missing.
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And she her appearance changes a little bit. She she tends to look slightly different from time to time to me. Yeah.
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Which I think makes this very difficult when you have a person go missing. Um in
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past cases that we've done, a lot of the people that go missing, they some of the
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problems that they have is that they have a normal look. Mhm. Emma, uh, very beautiful girl. She doesn't have a
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normal look. It's more artistic, but it's constantly evolving. It's constantly changing. Like you said, it's
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like one picture to the next, you go, "Well, is that her sister? Is that her?" Yeah. And I don't know if it was just
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the pictures themselves, but some of them look to me like her hair is a little lighter. In other pictures, it
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looks more like it's brown. You know, even maybe a dark brown or a light brown. Well, some women get bored with
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their hair color and hair styles. So they constantly change them. But it sounds like and it appears to me that
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she is a very freespirited person. Uh I almost got a little bit of a hippie vibe
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to be honest with you. Yeah, I think a lot of her style would be that. But it's it's very eclectic because she'd do uh
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things stylistically with her outfits where she would have more of a hippie type pants but then more elegant top. So
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is very artistic I would say. But she did not arrive in Victoria until the fall of 2011. So we have this whole
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other life before way back in Perth, Ontario. And she grew up in a pretty regular family, right? She had she was
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born uh January 6th, 1986. Uh her father uh James and her mother Shelley. She had two brothers and
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a sister. The Philipp family seemed pretty normal. And like we were talking before, I believe James was involved in
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the arts somehow and Shelley was a French teacher at some point. At some point, the marriage is not going so
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great and uh James starts seeing a younger lady. This uh causes a lot of fracture in the family. This also causes
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a lot of depression in Shelly. At some point, there is a confrontation. Uh Shelley just loses it. She goes off on
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James. uh I think maybe tried to physically attack him. I'm not really for sure of the exact details, but I
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believe that Emma actually had to call the police on her mother. So, this was obviously something that was uh
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traumatic. And anybody that has gone through the whole split of a family understands that, especially as
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the child, it seems like your whole world is rocked and you feel like what is up and what is down. It
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just kind of gets flipped around and you really start trying to you you don't feel like there's a sense of a core
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family. So, you start coming up with these new rules on your own and how do you want to live your life and what is
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right for you. And I think this is what Emma started doing. At this point, she stops uh regular school. Uh she moves
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out of the family home. She's not going to be living with James or Shel at this point. Uh rumored to have a boyfriend
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that was 10 years older, so she's 16 at this time. The boyfriend's 26. She eventually is tired of all that and ask
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her father, James, if she can move back in. Now, it seems like by all accounts that James is not a confrontational
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person either is Emma. So, she had sides of both parents, Shelley and James, but
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leaning on that artistic side of James. Mhm. Yeah. And from what I read, the other children were more involved in
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competition and and things like sports. And she was Emma was always involved in like dance class. Um, and at some point
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where once you quit learning the dance, well, you never quit learning the art, but at some point you are you a dancer?
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I I don't I've never Nick never quit learning the art of dance. During the trailer, I was chair dancing and collar
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popping. Uh, but at what I'm saying is you never quit studying. You never quit learning, right? But at some point it
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graduated into dance competitions. and her parents, Shel says, you know, that's when Emma seemed to lose interest in in
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the dance class because she was so not into competition. She was non-confrontational and it just didn't
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spark her interest anymore. Yeah. I used to teach uh guitar students and some kids you could motivate by, you know,
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competition. Maybe their dad played so you wanted to try to get them better than their dad was, but some kids just
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did not understand competition. Didn't get it. It was like it was like this foreign idea that made zero sense. She
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seems like one of those souls. Um so when she moves back into the house, you know, instead of going back to regular
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high school, she ends up going to alternative school, she gets high marks. She seems like a very, you know, not
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only artsy but very intelligent individual. And then she ends up getting some scholarships and going off to
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school, I believe, for culinary arts. And I think all the nomadic lifestyle and the whole idea
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of finding out what the world has to offer kind of stem from the separation of the family and that's just my
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viewpoint on it. So after the culinary school I think like you were mentioned that she um taught English in China for
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a while. Yeah. I think that was pretty brief. It was just a matter of a few months. Yeah. And then she comes back
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and then she's kind of himmhauling around and I think and she did live with her sister at some point in Nova Scotia.
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So we're already seeing this in and out of the home. Um and she's already not only in and out of the home but
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adventuring off into these these foreign places into these different areas of life and lifestyle. Yeah. And she seemed
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like she had a lot of friends but she also was a closed off individual. She didn't share everything. Uh, which I
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think is um a pretty interesting quality to have. You know, I she journaled a lot and from
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all accounts of her journals, it seemed like it was very poetic. So, it was like
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you could read something, but you're you're going is this uh what does this mean? Does it does it mean a does it
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mean b you know? Yeah. And this will come back later and we'll talk more about this, but uh even her emails would
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be kind of poetic. So, uh, but very, uh, positive, I would say spiritual, you know, uh, somebody that, um, was really
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trying to be a positive light force in in other people's lives. Yeah. And it's somebody that was really taking it all
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in as well. And, and you know, those poetic readings can be hard to read. You know, as you said, what what are you
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referencing in those actual topics? Are you are you expressing your inner feelings? Are you expressing something
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that you're seeing, experiencing? It's tough to say. Yeah. And she she actually went and studied uh
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photo photojournalism for a while. Wasn't really too much into the journalism part. Yeah. That's a kind of
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a cutthroat uh industry, the journalism part. Yeah. Maybe some of that not being
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confrontational, one not being competitive, maybe that's just something that turned her off of it, but she was
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still really interested in photography, which is interesting about this whole stuff because when you Google images of
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Emma, you'll find a lot where she's taking selfies, but not you not the selfies we know of now where you take it
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on your phone. She's taken actual like old school selfies where she's taking a picture in the mirror and you can see
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the old school camera that she's using. So now she's in Perth and she's going to
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make a pretty dramatic shift in her life. She's going to travel pretty far across across the country. Like we said,
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she's in Perth, which is a little bit above like New York City, like if you're looking at the map of the United States,
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and she's going to go all the way to Victoria, which the West Coast is the West Coast. And this is around the
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Seattle area, like above Seattle. Yeah. Very near Vancouver, just above uh just north of Seattle. Um why would she be
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making this move? It's kind of tough to say. I don't even know that her parents know 100% why she moved out there. It
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appears to me that she may have always wanted to venture off somewhere that she was probably intent on moving somewhere,
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changing her life, setting up her adult life, and and living a certain kind of lifestyle. I don't know if she just
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picked a random place or if there was something that drew her to that area. Well, and she might have also just had a
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bucket list of all these different lives that she wanted to live. And maybe one of those was on the west coast of um in
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the west coast of the country. And she was an outdoorsy person. I would say that you know we we talk about long
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walks and things like that. Oh yeah. Spiritual, a little hippie and kind of a little bit of a tree hugger. And I think
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that Victoria was a bit of a a place that people like that tended to end up. Well, kind of like Seattle. You know,
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Seattle is a great place for you know, you know, keep Seattle weird. So, if you're a little little different, you
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know, you want to be around uh the different vibes. I think that's what she might have been searching for. But
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before she moves out there, there is this relationship or friendship that she gets involved in. And some have referred
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to it as a relationship, a maybe a romantic one. Some people call it acquaintance, and some people just
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simply call it a friendship. Yeah. And I I here I'm just going to throw it out there. I think it was a friendship or,
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you know, I think it it was a little more than just an acquaintance. And who is this person? His name is
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Jillian. And how they meet is they're at a music festival. Yeah. They're at a music festival. And Julian says that he
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saw Emma. She was in a like a booth, you know, they have they had booths there for different artists and you could you
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could view their art. You could purchase their art. And uh this was a photographer and he he kind of pretends
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like he's really interested in the photographer and in their booth and the art, but it sounds more like he was just
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going to that area because he noticed her from afar and thought, you know, well, here's an attractive girl that I'd
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like to talk to. Well, let me break this down for all the women listeners, right?
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This is how it works in men's head. I think they know how it works, but go ahead. Well, well, first of all, all men
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are dumb. Let's start with that idea. But normally the way it works is that men are so visual. The the whole idea of
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uh love at first sight, that's a man thing, right? Because we just So I believe Julian uh saw Emma from across
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the way and just was like, I got to get to know her. And I uh a little sappy, but you know, I I think this guy was
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maybe a little bit of a loner. maybe didn't get a lot of attention his way from the ladies. Um, I'm just
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speculating at this point, but he sees this girl that he just is fascinated with and he wants to get to talk to her
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and she happens to be at a photography booth. So, guess who's going to go act like they're interested in photography.
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Exactly. Well, it is a multiple day uh festival, so you know, who knows? Some people try to hook up at these things.
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We don't know his intent, but we do know that he says that he goes to the photographers's booth with with the idea
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that hopefully he will talk to this girl or she might talk to him. Mhm. And so he's in there and he's pretending he's
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somewhat interested in the art, but uh that's a typical male though. I really hope she talks to me. Yeah. Like just
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get just make the move. So, he's telling the photographer that he would like to set up a time where he could go to her
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gallery and maybe view some of her art, maybe purchase some of it, get to know Yeah. And at this point, they're in a
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conversation together. So, it's kind of like she's h he's having a conversation with the photographer, but Emma's kind
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of involved in the conversation. Yeah. It's kind of a good easy way to meet the girl that you spotted from across the
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way. Mhm. And at some point she asked him if he's going to go in to see the band that's going to play inside. And of
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course the answer is yes. Right. When the girl you're hoping to talk to ask you if you're going to go somewhere, the
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answer is always yes. Uh so it was at this festival that they sparked up this friendship. And he told her that he
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intended to go and take a bike ride to see the photographer and talk more about her art and view more of it. And uh she
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says, Emma says, "Well, this sounds like a great idea. I, you know, I could go with you. How about we go tomorrow?"
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Yeah. And it's pretty interesting cuz this uh this guy is a little bit of a interesting bird. Uh I I like parts of
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his jib, I can say, cuz uh he doesn't drive a car. He's just not driving a car. He's into bike riding his bike,
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which is cool. Um and so they start hanging out. They build up some kind of friendship. Um, and they don't actually
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go see the photographer the next day like Emma had wished because obviously the photographer is going to stay on for
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the remainder of the music festival which is going to last again until the next day. Um, so but what he says ends
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up happening is instead they go um canoeing and that they had a pretty good weekend and he said that it wasn't until
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maybe a week later that they saw each other again. Uh he describes their relationship as pretty much a friendship
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that they enjoy doing things together. Uh they seem to have some things in common and some similar interests. Yeah.
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And he's a French guy. So some of his when you there's a really cool interview with him that that the listeners should
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check out. Uh that you'll go in we'll go into more detail. Uh that interview goes
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into more detail than we will. Mhm. But he some of his French gets lost like as far his the translation is a little off.
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So, you know, he says, "Well, I don't know if it was a crush." It's definitely an infatuation,
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right? He's infatuated with this girl. He he believes that she's a very pretty individual. She's given him a little
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attention. And oh, by the way, she's a little bit of a horse of a different color. So, that's fascinating. And he
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says that she pretty much only like she wants to go on walks like that's and she
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wants some company on these walks and that's what they primarily did on the times that he met up with her and
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through the course of their friendship. And he did say that it according to him it did become romantic one evening. Um
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and then and we don't know exactly what that means. Maybe it was just a a kiss. Maybe we we're not for sure. No, we
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don't we're not going to give the playbyplay cuz we don't know. But he says it did get romantic one evening and
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he said that seemed to dramatically change the friendship afterwards that uh she had expressed to him that she was
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going to be leaving uh town that she was moving to live elsewhere and that because of this she didn't want to get
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into any type of relationship with him. Right. And I think some of this possibly
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could stem from the relationship uh going south with her mother and father. She might have some issues
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there. Uh also possibly Emma comes off as a as a person that doesn't want to make any plans. And I wonder if that
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stems from the idea that you have this family structure and then it gets fractured and that changed everybody's
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life course. And I wonder if she's just afraid to make plans because then those plans get g get could get ruined. I also
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wondered if it was one of two or if not both things. Was she so dead set on leaving town that she didn't want to
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have anything to keep her there? Mhm. Or did she was she leaving town to to live
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a different life and didn't want anything from her past life tagging along to this into this new world that
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she's venturing off in? Yeah, we have this relationship and it took off somewhere and after a romantic advance
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or romantic encounter at some point we have Emma saying, "No, we got to call this off because I'm moving and we're
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not going to have a relationship." She uh you know, this doesn't sit well with Jillian. He he is he likes her and he's
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probably wondering, "Oh, what happened to this friendship now?" and possibly he could just be going, "Okay, yeah, we
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made a mistake. We shouldn't be like a romantic couple, but he still wanted her and her and his life." And it sounds
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like to me that this relationship took place over the course of a few weeks and that they had only seen each other maybe
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10 or a dozen times. Uh so where it may have meant something for him, it may have meant something totally different
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to her. We know she's planning on leaving and but he wants more answers. You know, he's that's not good enough,
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you know, and sometimes you do need to be told, hey, you know, he wants closure on some level. So he calls and he he
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wants he wants further explanation why there's no friendship anymore. And she basically tells him the same thing. But
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also what's interesting is James actually picks up the phone. Well, not on this not on this call. There there's
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a first call where she tells him not to call anymore. I I wish you would not call anymore. And and then you're right,
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he does call again. And at this point, James picks up the phone and he says, "You know, Julian, he already she
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already said not to call her anymore." And he explains to the father the same thing that he said to Emma on the first
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call. And then she does hop on the phone and she is a little more polite about it
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this time where it's, you know, kind of lets him down easy, I guess. And he says
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he felt better and he was felt like he was going to be able to move on at this point. Yeah. I mean, I think sometimes
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you have these uh breakups, even if it's just a friendship where, you know, somebody is a positive positive light in
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the other person's life and the other person doesn't really need the other person around.
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So, what becomes interesting here is so he feels like, okay, yeah, well, that's more closure. I get it. Okay, she was a
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really cool girl, but now she's just not going to be in my life. And then the next day, Emma shows up at his house.
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Mhm. And and I and I respect this because it's this idea of, yeah, well, I should have talked to you face to face.
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I shouldn't have talked to you on the phone. Uh, you deserve better than that. They had a little bit longer and more
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depth talk about this. They hugged it out and said, "Wish you luck." And that's it. Mhm. Becomes a little more
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interesting when she shows up the next day. Yeah. And it's, "Hey, you want to go for a walk?" It's another one of
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Emma's walks. Yeah. Now, we should uh I don't think we've mentioned this yet, but she doesn't like to walk in shoes.
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Okay. She likes to walk barefoot. So much so that she would be rubbing the bottoms of her soles so bad that there
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would be almost like blood on her feet. Mhm. So, uh, he explains that he goes on
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this walk with her and she's playing her ukulele. She only knows about one chord
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and she's plunking away. And basically, he makes some silly remark because she wears the same, she
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has these like famous pants that she wears, these like hippie style pants, and he makes this remark about it that
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she gets a little upset. She wants to finish the walk. Yeah. something to the fact of, you know, why why don't you
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ever wear dresses or you you know, you seem to wear the same thing all the time, some a remark along those lines.
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So, she finishes the walk by herself and now we're kind of back to where we started because or, you know, they were
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friends, then they kind of broke up and then they're going to not be friends anymore, but everybody's okay with it
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and now we're on a walk again. We're friends, but now she gets upset. And so kind of a whirlwind for a guy that has
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such a a fascination with Emma. Well, but the simp the simplicity of it is it sounds to me like she has plans. He
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doesn't have any plans. No, he has plans. I mean, he's going to school. Mhm. So, at this point, Emma is going to
00:28:18
the friendship is severed. It didn't get the clean closure like Julian wanted. And now Emma is going to head off to
00:28:26
Victoria. And at this point, Julian is going to stay and finish school. And now it's time for a beer break. Emma Filipof
00:28:35
arrives in Victoria from Perth in the fall of 2011. She had several jobs in the year leading up to her
00:28:43
disappearance, but she did work as a chef while she was in Victoria. She worked at the Red Fish, Bluefish, One
00:28:50
Fish, Two Fish. Thank you, Dr. Seuss. where I guess she was like a seasonal employee, but it sounds also like this
00:28:56
was just a seasonal restaurant. Um, she left the job October 31st, 2012. She did say that she she
00:29:05
technically didn't leave the job, but the job stopped for the season. They closed. And she did say that she
00:29:10
intended to return when the restaurant would open again after the winter months. Emma had been staying at the
00:29:17
Sandy Marman House. This is a women's shelter and it's a off and on situation for her since about February of 2012.
00:29:27
And when I say off and on, I believe they had a month in and a month out policy, but you could return after your
00:29:34
month out and you could stay again for another month. Yeah. And there was a lot of speculation that she was there most
00:29:42
of the time, but it seems like she was a wanderer in Victoria. She would stay at
00:29:47
uh friends houseboats, possibly even staying underneath a tree. There's mention of even a Emma treehouse. Well,
00:29:54
and there was some couch surfing, I'm sure, that was involved, you know, staying with friends or maybe
00:29:58
co-workers, but she would end up from time to time, you know, month here, month there at this women's shelter.
00:30:05
And, you know, this is a place where, you know, they take in people that need a place to stay. And sometimes, you
00:30:11
know, when you have a women's shelter, it's because some people are seeking refuge from a domestic violence
00:30:17
situation or they've been thrown out of their homes for whatever reason. But, you know, these are these are people in
00:30:23
a need of a place to stay. Uh, some of them just homeless, some of them are taking advantage of a of a free
00:30:30
situation, I guess. Mhm. And there was some interesting things happening at this point. Um, we're going to talk a
00:30:37
little bit later about these surveillance tapes that you'll see Emma on the day that she goes missing, but
00:30:43
there's some accounts there's some stuff going on with her mentally, but when she
00:30:48
writes home to family members, she's always talking in poetry. So, everything's really kind of cryptic, you
00:30:55
know, but it's always light, airy, very positive, upbeat kind of uh tone to it. Um, so at this shelter, she actually
00:31:06
took all the electronics, the TV, the radio, clocks, stuff like that, and they she puts it out in the yard. And then
00:31:12
they said to her, "This stuff can't go out in the yard." Yeah. And these are not her things, right? These are the
00:31:18
shelters uh property, and she takes them out. They said, "You can't do that." And
00:31:22
so instead of returning them, I believe she either put them in a bush or she just put them around like she she didn't
00:31:29
put them back where they belonged. Mhm. And and just a couple weird things like that that would happen. And after her
00:31:35
disappearance, they would the staff at the shelter would say that she was exhibiting um obvious signs of maybe
00:31:42
paranoia or some kind of mental health issue going on with Emma. Yeah. It didn't seem like there was a lot of
00:31:49
drugs involved. Like I mean I couldn't find anything that like would state that she
00:31:56
um liked certain types of drugs or anything. So, this to me seems like some kind of psychosis going on. Just days
00:32:03
before her disappearance on November 28th, Emma had called her mother, Shelly, asking if she could come home.
00:32:10
And of course, her mother was ready to help. Now, I should point out that we already talked about that her parents
00:32:16
were split up. So, she's just reaching out to one parent and saying that she would like to come home. Her mother,
00:32:22
Shel, is saying, you know, I'll I'll buy you a plane ticket. And then Emma's calling back or or saying, you know, I'm
00:32:30
not ready to come home yet. There's too many things for me to take care of. There's a lot of back and forth between
00:32:35
her and her mother about her coming home, her not coming home. Well, what's interesting is with her having this
00:32:41
artistic spirit and her dad being involved in in in the arts in some fashion, it seemed like maybe she was
00:32:49
closer personal person personalitywise to her father, James, but you know, it's your mother. So when you to to me and
00:32:58
and this is different for every family, but most of the time if the son is having trouble and he needs help, he
00:33:04
calls his father. If the daughter is having trouble, she calls the mother. So the first call comes in, she says, "Hey,
00:33:12
I I need some help." And then calls right back, "No, I'll take care of it." And and at this point, Shel is talking
00:33:19
to the family members saying, "Hey, I talked to Emma and they said, "Hey, well, she said she'll take care of it.
00:33:24
you don't need to go. So, she said, "Okay, I'm not going to worry about it until it happens again." Yeah. Because
00:33:30
at one point she stops this I'm I need to come home, you know, and she's saying she's got to tie up loose ends
00:33:36
beforehand. But now she's asking if Shelley would come out there and help her with with tying these things up and
00:33:43
gathering her things to help her return home. So, there's these conversations of
00:33:48
I'm coming home or could you come out and help me? Well, and Emma's not being forthcoming with exactly what she's
00:33:54
doing all the time. So, it's like she's off on these adventures and she's riding
00:33:58
home, like I said, cry cryptically. So, Shel at this point really kind of has no idea how much
00:34:06
trouble she's in or if she is in trouble. Just my daughter's calling saying, "I'd like to come home." Yeah.
00:34:12
She doesn't know that she's in trouble. And actually, the family doesn't know that she had been staying off and on at
00:34:17
this women's shelter. Right. So Shel's now in a situation where she's booking plane tickets to get her daughter home.
00:34:24
She's booking plane tickets to get herself out to Victoria to bring her daughter home. And this is like we said,
00:34:30
it's not a short trip. This is a this is a big flight, you know, and Shelley would have to make arrangements to go
00:34:36
out there. She has family and responsibilities back in Perth that she needs to take care of. And she's going
00:34:44
across the whole country. Yeah. And I think she even had a pet, you know, that needed to be watched and and a a a child
00:34:51
that was still living at home. Um, and so this would be this would take some arranging to go out there and get her
00:34:59
daughter. We're seeing this situation, Captain. Is this anything like the on and off again thing that we saw with
00:35:06
Julian back in Perth before she left? I mean, we see this uh within a handful of
00:35:12
days, she's asking her mother to make arrangements, whether it be for her to go home or for Shelley to come out
00:35:18
there, and then she's ultimately just cancelling uh sometimes at the last minute. Uh over and over again, it's
00:35:24
this back and forth, back and forth between, you know, should I stay or should I go kind of situation where I
00:35:31
think she kind of is just lost really. And and so if you're calling your your family members for help, there's there's
00:35:40
possibility where she's calling and feeling better like, okay, my mom's going to come help me, but then maybe
00:35:46
getting some anxiety or like I said, if there's some psychosis going on that she
00:35:51
I mean, who knows? At this point, ultimately, Emma's mother, Shelly, she decides that she would just go ahead and
00:35:58
head out to Victoria. Unbeknownst to Emma, uh she was going out there and we can only assume that she was going out
00:36:06
there to check on the well-being of her daughter and to see if for herself if Emma needed to come home or needed any
00:36:12
help while she was out there. Let's break down the movements and what we know about Emma and what she was doing
00:36:21
on the day that she disappeared. This is November 28th, 2012. Emma talks to the hotel staff at the
00:36:29
Chateau Victoria. This is a hotel uh just after 7 a.m. She had her van. It was a 1993 Mazda MPV red in color. And
00:36:42
it is believed that she was primarily using this van for storage. Uh now this does make sense because sometimes at
00:36:50
these shelters or homeless shelters there are there's thievery that would take place and having a vehicle or a
00:36:57
place to store your things would be great you know to keep those items whether they have monetary value or just
00:37:03
simply value to yourself. Mhm. I couldn't find anywhere like any record that whether or not this van worked.
00:37:10
That was what I was most curious about because that would be, you know, an obvious form of transportation that she
00:37:16
would have at her disposal at any time. And, you know, she parked it there. That's what I wondered. Does it work?
00:37:23
Because it they say she often parked it there, which makes it sound like this van may have moved around from time to
00:37:29
time. Maybe it worked, but it just didn't work that well. Like not enough where she'd want to take it on a on a
00:37:35
long road trip to drive 45 hours to get back to Perth. Yeah. Uh maybe it was it was running but in much need of repair.
00:37:42
She talks to the hotel the hotel staff because she parked in a neighboring parking lot and she had the vehicle had
00:37:51
been towed. It had been towed away. And we should note that the hotel is very close to the Sandy Marman house women's
00:37:58
shelter where she had stayed often. Yeah. It seems like this community is pretty you can get by by just walking.
00:38:05
Yeah. And after talking to this hotel staff, finding out that her vehicle has been towed, um she uses her bank card at
00:38:14
8:23 a.m. This is at a 7-Eleven. Uh and this is about a block away from the hotel. She is seen on camera and she is
00:38:23
seen purchasing a prepaid credit card. She's seen looking out the window here uh for what is described as a longer
00:38:32
than usual amount of time. Almost like she's looking for someone or waiting for someone. Mhm. Yeah. It's a little It's
00:38:41
almost like she's checking to see if her ride's there. Mhm. You know, and then that's where a lot of people go, well,
00:38:47
was she looking for somebody? Was she fearful of somebody? Was the person actually real? or was it just uh some
00:38:55
some sort of psychosis where she's just imagining somebody? From here, we can't say for certain, but it is believed that
00:39:03
Emma may have visited the library around noon. Uh and everyone will tell you that
00:39:09
Emma often visited the library. And actually, one of the things that they found in her vehicle that had been towed
00:39:15
was some library books that she had checked out before her disappearance. At 5:54 p.m., Emma returns to the very
00:39:25
same 7-Eleven and she again uses her bank card a second time. This time she is buying a prepaid cell phone. And this
00:39:34
time too, she again is looking out the window and she's pacing between the window and the door and looking out. And
00:39:43
I believe on the first video, the first time she visits 7-Eleven that or and it might even be on the second video,
00:39:50
there's some kind of speculation that she possibly is on a cell phone, which is very strange because why would you be
00:39:57
purchasing a cell phone if you already had a cell phone? Mhm. Maybe you just wanted a a backup if you're thinking
00:40:02
about traveling. Maybe that's something you would do if you're going on some kind of adventure by yourself. Um
00:40:08
there's just speculation about it. I've watched it. It doesn't look like that to
00:40:12
me, but I mean, uh, something to think about as you're watching the video. Well, and Emma was not known to have a
00:40:20
cell phone, right? Yeah. There was no recollection from her father, her mother about this. And that would go more with
00:40:26
the spiritual type hippie lifestyle, but again, we talked about the uh the bank card. She did have a bank account uh
00:40:33
which, you know, u maybe she had to direct deposit or or something like that. Um, which but I'm just saying I
00:40:41
just bring up that point because that is a little bit um unusual I think for the nomadic
00:40:48
lifestyle to have a bank account. Yeah, I I would say it's just a little little different like maybe where you'd want to
00:40:54
carry more cash. Maybe you'd have the bank account but you would want to be carrying cash more because this is this
00:41:00
is somebody that obviously doesn't like to make plans. And her mother says that she didn't believe Emma to have a cell
00:41:06
phone because when Emma did call her, when she did call her, she she would get random numbers. And um as a matter of
00:41:15
fact, one of the times, at least one of the times when she called, the name of the women's shelter had come up on the
00:41:22
on Shel's caller ID. And because it was Sandy Maramman was the name of the of what came up on her caller ID, her
00:41:31
mother kind of assumed that that was maybe her roommate's name, right? Or like a friend that she was staying with.
00:41:36
Exactly. She had no clue that it was the the name of a shelter house. Mhm. Emma is leaving the 7-Eleven store. She
00:41:44
leaves there around 6:00 p.m. She then stops at the Sandy Marman house. The staff reports having seen her there and
00:41:52
seeing her leave the Sandy Marman house just after 6:00 p.m. After Emma gets afterward, Emma gets into a taxi. She
00:42:02
uses her debit card to pay for a ride. Uh this is what turns out to be a very short ride. Early in 2013, the police
00:42:12
were not releasing information regarding the cab ride other than to say that it was a short ride and it was only within
00:42:19
the downtown area. Later, we would learn that she had asked the driver to drive her to the airport. She also asked the
00:42:27
driver how much the fair will be. The driver says it's going to be about $60. And Emma says that she cannot afford the
00:42:35
ride and then asked to be dropped off at the hotel which is downtown uh Victoria
00:42:42
and again not more than a few blocks from the women's shelter and even a shorter distance from the 7-Eleven that
00:42:48
she had visited twice that day. Emma asked the driver when they arrived to their spot if she could stay in the
00:42:56
vehicle with with him for a a little while, you know, and he agrees. But then the she want to like warm up or
00:43:03
something. I imagine so because it was pretty cold that day. Mhm. And um he agrees that she can stay in the vehicle,
00:43:10
but you know, it's just until he receives a call that he's got to go on that's going to actually pay him some
00:43:15
money, you know? Right. And this is all strange anyways because once she goes missing and like we talked about the
00:43:21
bank account, she had money in the bank account. She could have actually afforded this ride. Exactly. She had I
00:43:28
believe under $3,000 in her account. So, it would have been plenty of money to get her to Yeah. 60
00:43:35
bucks. The weird thing is that she's calling the mom, right? Mhm. Uh, I need help. Come get me. Then she's like,
00:43:42
"Nope, I don't need help." Okay. Come get me. I need help. Nope. Don't come get me. And then the day that she's
00:43:49
going missing that this is, you know, a very important day to break down. She asked for a ride to the airport. Was
00:43:58
some of the thought that well, I'm just going to go, you know what I mean? She just going to go home. Yeah. Why Why
00:44:05
would you be going to the airport? Well, I Yeah. The the other thought is too, the mother says that she's heading out
00:44:12
there and Emma does not know about her flying out there. Mhm. What's going on with her asking about going to the
00:44:20
airport on the same day that her mother's coming in? is, you know, the same thought is you maybe was she going
00:44:26
to leave and fly somewhere on her own or was she going to greet her mother at the
00:44:31
airport that she knew was coming in? Yeah. But she didn't know the mom. According to the mother, Emma did not
00:44:37
know. We don't have Emma to ask if she knew if her mother was arriving or not. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It
00:44:44
could be this idea of, well, I meet my mom in the airport and if I keep her at the airport, then I don't have to show
00:44:51
her the women's shelter. I don't have to show her my van. I don't have to show her how I've been living. Yeah. And I
00:44:57
mean, it's a strange thing. I'm guessing that she wanted to a ride to the Victoria airport, International Airport,
00:45:03
which was about a 30 minute drive. So, sounds like a roughly $60 fair to me. Um, so I'm guessing that that's the
00:45:10
airport in question. Uh, but the thing here too is she asked if she can stay in the taxi and she stays for a brief
00:45:18
period of time. driver says, you know, yeah, until I get my next call. And then some calls start coming over on his
00:45:25
dispatch radio. And he says that she seems to react to these calls and she kind of panics or freaks out and she she
00:45:36
hastfully exits the vehicle. Well, that kind of goes back to that little story I
00:45:41
was telling you about moving the electronics and the and the clocks and stuff is she would complain that they're
00:45:48
too loud just I think I think she did the same thing in the cab ride was she was saying it's too loud the radio's too
00:45:54
loud and then at some point like maybe underneath her breath said it's talking to me to me that is a definite sign of
00:46:02
some kind of you know schizophrenia, psychosis, some paranoia. There's all kinds of things going on. that could be
00:46:09
happening. Again, no drug use talk from the cab driver either. No. No. He doesn't seem
00:46:18
to think that she had been drinking or have been under the influence of anything. Now, shortly after she's exits
00:46:27
the vehicle. Mhm. Now, she is seen standing on the street and she's barefoot. We had already said that it
00:46:34
was very cold that day. I mean, this is this is Come on. It's obvious that it's cold. It's late November in Canada.
00:46:41
We're assuming it would be cold. And I think the reports were that it was just above uh zero degrees that day. You
00:46:48
know, uh I don't know what the temperature was at this exact time, but this was somebody that that knew Emma.
00:46:54
This was an acquaintance of hers. This was a uh a gentleman that had bumped into her and met her at the library. She
00:47:03
was um she was reading up on Japan or chi China or something like that and and he was reading up on the same stuff.
00:47:10
This sparks the conversation. So they didn't know each other well. Yeah. Okay. So there's this other thing. So now
00:47:15
we're you're going to bring in in this other point. This is what you know makes these cases so fascinating. There's the
00:47:21
there's all this little tiny details that add up. So she's looking up uh Japan, probably China. She's going to go
00:47:29
on a trip with her father and she's saving up for this. So that that goes back to the other point about the cab
00:47:35
driver. Maybe she could afford the 60 bucks, but she's saving up for this trip that she's supposed to take with her
00:47:41
father. So yeah, she can afford the 60 bucks, but she's choosing not to to save that money for that trip. Mhm. And I'm
00:47:49
assuming that even a flight from Victoria to uh Perth or near Perth, however close you can get via airport,
00:47:56
is probably not super cheap either. It might not cost thousands of dollars, but it's probably several hundreds of
00:48:02
dollars. And for somebody that doesn't like to plan, maybe that was one of her ideas for calling her mother. Well, if I
00:48:08
have my mother come out here and get me, then she will play she'll pay for the plane ride home, and I can still store
00:48:14
my money for this trip that I want to take. So, this person that knows her, this guy that knew her just from that
00:48:20
one encounter at the library. And he says acquaintance. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't say we have any kind of
00:48:24
relationship or anything like that. It was a one-time thing that they had I it might be more than that because he said
00:48:30
he recognized her and Well, he he knew her. Yeah. But he just wasn't like we didn't I I just think he's met her more
00:48:38
than a couple times. Well, that doesn't really matter. What it comes down to is you run into this person that you you
00:48:46
know their actions. You know their demeanor. He knew her by name and recognized her standing on the street in
00:48:53
very cold temperatures barefoot clutching her sho. She's kind of holding her shoes to her chest. Yeah. And he
00:48:59
goes and talks to her. Yeah. And actually he calls her by name. He comes up to her and he says, "Hey, Emma, is
00:49:04
everything all right?" You know, because I'm sure she probably looks out of place. You know, she
00:49:10
probably looks distraught at this point. We know that she was scared or seemed to
00:49:14
be scared by the the chatter coming over the dispatch radio. Well, I mean, if you
00:49:18
saw anybody just walking around holding their shoes, wouldn't you think something's up? Yeah. And he says that
00:49:24
she doesn't seem to recognize him. That she doesn't seem to know who he is. Mhm.
00:49:30
Now, at some point, she she opens up a little bit and she she maybe maybe she recognized him after some talk. Um but
00:49:39
he said that he talked with her and spent almost an hour with her. Uh but because of her actions and because of
00:49:46
the some some of the things that she is saying, he's very worried about her. He does not have a cell phone. I guess
00:49:53
Victoria is the kind of place where there's just nobody with a cell phone. So if there if you're in Victoria, I
00:49:57
guess nobody's hearing this on their smartphone. No, I don't think that I don't think that's how I don't know. I'm
00:50:04
joking. Right. But well, he doesn't have one. So that's this guy doesn't have one. And and and Emma apparently didn't
00:50:11
have one as well. So that's two out of what? Well, it's like it's like Seattle, you know? It's like keep Seattle weird.
00:50:16
Keep Victoria weird. Right. So he goes to a nearby place and he calls 911. He calls the police. They arrive, which I
00:50:24
commend him for because I mean most people How many times have you run into somebody from high school and he just
00:50:30
went this this dude is off his rocker? Yeah. And then he never thought twice about it. He just walked right past him
00:50:37
like, "Well, good good thing I'm not friends with that guy anymore." How many times? The answer is every single time.
00:50:43
No, but no, you're right. He he sees that she seems to be distressed and he he wants to get her some kind of help
00:50:49
and so he's reporting this and um he probably needs to go on his merry way at some point as well. Well, like you said,
00:50:56
he talked to her for about an hour um and then the cops show up. the well and the other thing too is like okay if I'm
00:51:03
that guy in that situation I don't I'm not somebody that that I can recognize some mental illness I don't understand
00:51:11
it and I'm also not trained in how to to treat it or deal with it or to get this
00:51:17
person the proper help and I think his heart was in the right place I'm going to get put her potentially in touch with
00:51:23
somebody that could help her right and you don't you know whether some sometimes you run into somebody that has
00:51:30
an addiction problem and then you run into somebody that has a mental issue and sometimes they look very similar.
00:51:37
It's hard to distinguish between the two. Yeah. So sometimes you're just going is is this person uh on something?
00:51:43
Mhm. You know, or is there just something not right in their head currently? And so the police arrive and
00:51:49
they spend what they say is about 45 minutes talking with Emma. Um they ask her, you know, several questions. You
00:51:58
know, I would I would have liked to have been a fly on a street sign that day uh
00:52:03
to hear their conversation. You were a fly on the street sign, too. Uh but they I'd hit you with a newspaper. They say
00:52:11
that they ask her, you know, some general questions, you know, have you have you been eating? Do you have a
00:52:16
place to stay? Have you ever listened to this flies podcast? Um no, no, no. But it's good. there
00:52:24
there there's a kind of common core type uh questions that they're supposed to ask to see and and the thing is is
00:52:33
because they can't arrest you just because you might be off medicine or need medicine, but they can arrest you
00:52:41
if they think you're going to try to cause harm harm to yourself or somebody else. Yeah. And she does tell them that
00:52:48
she has a place to stay. She tells them that everything is fine. She says she's been eating, you know. Oh, just like how
00:52:53
you said. She said everything was fine. Uh her mother, Shelley, has asked the police quite a bit about this
00:53:00
conversation that they had with her daughter. Uh she's concerned that maybe they didn't uh handle things uh in
00:53:07
Emma's best interest. Um that and that look, that's hard to say. As a mother, I get where she's coming from, but think
00:53:14
about the law enforcement. Did they spent 40 minutes to an hour with her and they felt comfortable to let her go?
00:53:22
Well, there's a couple things here. Okay, so us, we, Shelly, everybody now, we know the end result of of Emma that
00:53:32
day. You know, we know that we we're looking for her. We can't find her and she doesn't seem to be around, right? We
00:53:38
know the end result. the officers there speaking with her at the time and I believe there was two of them. They
00:53:45
don't know the end result when they're talking to this person. So at some point if she seems sane and if she seems to
00:53:52
know have her you know wherewithal about her that that they have to go they have
00:53:57
a job to do and they have other people to look after as well. Um well and also if you're in a manic or a psychotic
00:54:04
state sometimes you can be very persuasive. So, does that make any sense at all? Oh,
00:54:11
yeah. Well, and you're exactly right. So, you're having this uh manic, you know, attack basically and you're in
00:54:19
this manic state and you have this mission that you're putting your mind on and the cops are asking you and and you
00:54:27
just you just turn it on and and maybe that's something that she was able to do. the the my issue with it is that we
00:54:34
have a girl went missing and they have some kind of transcripts and I don't think it's like a full transcript of
00:54:41
what happened. I think there's some notes cuz they didn't record it. Um I don't know what's in it, but they but on
00:54:49
that point she was saying go ahead. Well, what I just want to touch on something real quick. You're talking
00:54:54
about Yeah. the transcripts of what of their conversation with her and I think you you hit the nail on the head right
00:55:00
there. It's not they didn't they didn't write things down as they were talking with or they may have made a couple of
00:55:06
notes, but I'm assuming that this is the same situation that we saw with like the
00:55:10
West Memphis 3 case where we had the the the incident at Bojangles and the the police did go there, but there didn't
00:55:18
seem to be anything of interest to them. So, they make a couple notes. There's not an actual report that's put together
00:55:24
or or or an official report of that encounter until after we hear the result. And the result is later that day
00:55:32
Emma is reported missing and now oh we spoke to that person. We need to come up we we need to file a report and we're
00:55:40
going to do most of that off memory. Yeah. And the case is still open and and the explanation that they give to Shelly
00:55:48
is well if there are criminal charges that we need to press then this is evidence that we could use in court. It
00:55:56
won't be emissible in court if we give uh Shelly the records. And I just think that's kind of weird. I think that I I
00:56:04
believe and we've seen this a lot with the Mara Murray case uh with Fred Murray wanting information that I believe that
00:56:12
there should be some kind of thing where I understand that she's an adult, but she's missing and the mom's trying to
00:56:19
look for her and maybe open up the that line of communication a little bit bigger. Here was the thing that
00:56:25
disappointed me about the police officers. Now, I know that in this area, and I'm assuming that this holds true in
00:56:32
most areas, that the police are well aware of where homeless people or people seeking shelter can go and they have a
00:56:41
general idea of the rules of those places. And you know, all these shelters, they have a curfew. You know,
00:56:50
you can stay here tonight, Captain. If you if you're here by our curfew, by 10 a by 10 pm, by 900 p.m. Well, right, but
00:56:58
it's my garage. I'll stay here if I want to. You You're damn right. You're damn right. But what I'm getting at is so my
00:57:06
first thought, right, was that I was disappointed in the police because I thought, okay, here here is a woman that
00:57:12
that appears distraught enough for somebody that knew her to call the police. Yeah. So I and and they say that
00:57:20
a lot of her answers were just yes and no. It wasn't a whole lot of conversation, right? So my thought was
00:57:28
we asked her, "Do you have a place to stay?" Yes, I have a place to stay. You know, they followed that up with where
00:57:33
are you staying? Mhm. And it could be my bad, but my first thought was she she was staying at the women's shelter.
00:57:41
Well, these police would know roughly what the curfew is for that evening. And I was a little disappointed that they
00:57:47
did not drive her there, seeing that this is a place that does offer help to people and she seems to be somebody that
00:57:55
is in need of help. But you did touch on something there where you said maybe she
00:57:59
could turn it on. And we don't know that she provided them with truthful answers.
00:58:03
She could have said, "I have a roommate." She could have said, "I'm staying with friends. I'm staying on a
00:58:08
boat house. I'm living on a boat house. And so we don't know exactly what she told her. I hope and or what she told
00:58:17
them told them. Yeah. And and I hope that had she told them that she was staying at the shelter that they would
00:58:23
have offered her some assistance getting there. And I know it was just a few blocks, but but still it was very cold.
00:58:29
Nighttime is setting in. And again, someone that knew her was worried enough about her her mental state or her
00:58:36
well-being that he called the police. No, that all makes sense. But I was trying to dive into this angle that if a
00:58:45
cop picks up another uh individual and it's not on a charge that if something happens, they're not
00:58:54
covered. So there So then there's a liability issue there. And I was look I was looking into it as much as I could.
00:59:02
I couldn't find anything concrete. But uh it's just like when somebody says, you know, like if you ask for a taxi
00:59:08
ride or something, the cop can't give you a ride because there's liabilities there. Right. I see what you're saying.
00:59:15
It's not a it's not a service that they need to provide to everybody. Emma's mother, Shel, she
00:59:21
arrives in Victoria the same day, as we had said, uh that Shel went missing. And
00:59:27
this is as she lands about 3 hours afterwards. Yeah. So, as soon as she gets to Victoria, she goes to the
00:59:35
women's shelter expecting to see her daughter Emma. The staff then tells Shelley that Emma did not come to the
00:59:42
shelter that night to stay the night. Uh, so, as we had said, these shelters have a curfew, and with some of the
00:59:49
places, they may have different curfews that could vary from time to time depending on which day of the week it
00:59:54
is. Um but she didn't make it there in time for curfew to stay the night. So they don't know officially that she's
01:00:00
missing at this point. They just know that she's not there and not welcome to stay the night. Right. And they can't
01:00:05
give Shel that much information. But it is through talks between Shelly and the staff at the Sandy Marman house that
01:00:13
they determine that they're starting to put things together here and they now have to report Emma as missing. So,
01:00:20
November 28th, 2012 at age 26, Emma Filipof is officially missing. We have so much more to discuss about
01:00:31
this, but we are running short on time, so this is going to have to be a part two, which will come out tomorrow. We do
01:00:37
have some recommended reading for you, though, Captain. This week, we are recommending The Devil in the White City
01:00:42
by Eric Larson. This was a big-time award-winning book. I do believe that there is a movie coming out regarding
01:00:49
this case uh starring uh the one and only me. You? No, I don't think I'm in it. No, it's the uh DiCaprio guy. He's
01:00:58
going to be in it. Oh, we look similar. Well, there have been talks about them making this and I think they've been
01:01:02
making the movie for quite some time. So, give up on the movie and go get the book The Devil in the White City. This
01:01:08
is about HH Holmes, who many regard as America's first serial. Hey, I saw this at the bookstore, too. Yeah, this is a
01:01:15
very popular true crime book and you can pick it up by going to true crimegar.com. Go to the recommended
01:01:21
page. We have our recommended books there and just click on the Amazon banner, purchase your book through
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there. It helps our show. You can buy other things through Amazon using that banner and that helps the show as well.
01:01:33
And I have a recommended listening. You want to check out the nighttime podcast.
01:01:38
Yes, the nighttime podcast. Uh Jordan, our buddy over there, he did an interview with Shelly. He did, I think,
01:01:45
two parts um with Shelly. Uh and then he talked to the Marm Murray guys about the
01:01:51
Emma Phillip off case, our friends as well. Yeah. And then he uh did an interview with Julian aka quote unquote
01:01:59
the stock stalker. And I'll tell you what, if you if you don't want to go listen to all three parts of the
01:02:04
nighttime podcast, I recommend all three parts. They were very good. But if you only think you have time for one, the
01:02:10
must listen to is the Julian interview. I I think that's a must listen to. Right. I I was just intrigued. I was
01:02:17
hanging on his every word. Yeah. And if you have any tips or thoughts on this case, they have a a Finding Emma
01:02:24
Facebook group and I I suggest that you check that out if you have any tips. I mean, maybe you there's a sighting. If
01:02:32
you think that maybe you've seen her a couple years ago, those tips can't help them now. But uh that's the main reason
01:02:39
why we're covering a case like this. Uh you know, obviously it's for education value and it's for entertainment, but uh
01:02:47
Emma was a a person that touched a lot of people's lives and seemed like that she was a very positive energy source
01:02:54
for a lot of people and um she also was somebody's daughter. Um, and it's important that we talk about these cases
01:03:01
and bring them up. And even though it is, you know, part of our entertainment, there is somebody missing. And if
01:03:07
there's anything that we could do to help, um, that's why we wanted to do the story, it's it's it's been a popular
01:03:14
case in Canada, but it hasn't been that popular in the United States. Um, and we'll we'll dive more into that in in
01:03:21
part two. And at the very least, go to the Facebook page so you can see what she looks like. And like I said, she
01:03:26
looks different from time to time in different pictures. See what she looks like. You could see her walking down the
01:03:31
street tomorrow morning. Yeah. And we'll be we'll be posting pictures on our Instagram and and social media stuff as
01:03:38
well. And we will see you guys tomorrow for part two of the Emma Philip Off case. That's right. Be good, be kind,
01:03:46
and don't litter. [Music] [Applause] Heat. Heat.