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crime foreign [Music] let's get into it this case has a lot of claims I mean we're not going to hear about
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Bigfoot we're not going to hear about alien abduction but there's going to be a lot of
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interesting claims in this case the Heather T case was dormant for nearly nine years but in 2004 a detective from
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Medina Ohio this is detective Scott Thomas came up with an intriguing theory he believed that it was possible that
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Heather had been abducted by somebody else this was Henderson Kentucky native Chris below
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this is all laid out in an expose in the Akron Beacon Journal that ran in early February of 2005.
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detective Thomas was assigned to the Ohio Cold Case of missing woman Catherine Fetzer Catherine vanished in
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November of 1991 after leaving a note for her husband that she was going to the mall but she was actually having an
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affair this is with a married man the man that we just mentioned Chris below the two met where all great love stories
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start at the plasti Coat Factory this is where the two worked they were seeing each other on the sly
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for months when Catherine vanished the affair came to light and Chris denied any
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involvement in her disappearance and was not cooperating with the investigation Medina detective David shows spent 11
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years trying to pin her death on Chris he determined that Chris purchased a handgun at a Medina gun show 17 days
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before Catherine vanished then Chris sold the gun at a pawn shop after the detective questioned him about Catherine
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then in early 1992 Chris's third ex-wife told police that on the day Catherine vanished Chris met a friend at the
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couple's apartment and this friend helped him move a vehicle that was the same model as the missing woman's the
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friend Richard Lawrence told police that Chris drove his Jeep over to Lawrence's
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house and asked him to help him move a car later that day Lawrence followed Chris driving a blue Ford Tempo to
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Southern Medina County where below left the car near some Railroad road tracks this was the same make in model and
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color of the car that Catherine the missing woman was driving right Lawrence observed that Chris sat in the car for a
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few minutes and appeared to be wiping down the steering wheel and door before he got out of the vehicle
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Lawrence also noticed a blue tarp that Chris used to cover his motorcycle was in the back of the Jeep this he says was
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unusual because Chris never left his motorcycle uncovered Lawrence also knew that Chris was having the affair but he
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didn't know with whom he later heard that a missing woman named Catherine fetzer's car had been found right where
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he had seen Chris Park the vehicle so soon after this event Captain Chris drove the Jeep back to Kentucky where he
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was from neither the white Jeep nor the blue tarp has ever been seen again or ever located when looking into this new
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suspect Chris below the Ohio detectives came to believe that Chris might have dumped the Jeep in the Ohio River on the
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Kentucky side in a deep spot this is a real thing that stood out for me in this case
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they believed that he dumped the Jeep in the Ohio River on the Kentucky side in a
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deep spot where locals often disposed of vehicles which would then get Swept Away
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by the river so if you know of this spot if this spot actually exists and it does
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exactly what we just said and you're a very dangerous person that needs to hide conceal discard get rid of evidence
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well you got your spot and that's a scary thing when we have people with basically with what our
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allegations are against this guy well I'm not so sure that this River can take away the car that I'm not a
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scientist so I don't know how that would work but what it does do is once it's emerged in that water especially for a
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long period of time and might take law enforcement a long period of time to find that vehicle now any evidence
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that's in that vehicle is probably going to be washed away well in this spot just
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so happens to be less than a mile from where Heather Teague was abducted in 1995. so we have these detectives that
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are convinced that Chris murdered Catherine Fetzer in 1991. they resorted to mailing letters to
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Chris pretending to be a relative of the missing woman of Catherine's pleading for information about her Chris ignored
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them he did time in an Ohio prison after serving time for stealing money from a little league team in Holmes County and
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then moved back to Henderson Kentucky where he was from this in August of 1994. I mean think about this this guy's
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a real piece of [ __ ] I mean one three wives every time that we have a real piece of
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[ __ ] it's always man I got three wives they it's like there there might be pieces of [ __ ] but they're they're good
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con men and then this [ __ ] or they're really bad at choosing wives yeah um but no but then this [ __ ] steals
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money from a little league team yeah that's pretty low down that's that's pretty low down yeah that's Bad News
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Bears but the thing here Captain is not only do these detectives believe that he
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is responsible for The Disappearance of Catherine Fetzer but they also believe that he might have killed other women as
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well yeah a serial killer Evansville Indiana police picked Chris up in November of 2003 and
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they went to an apartment where he was living with a woman and her five kids and arrested him on accusations that he
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had molested his niece detective Thomas took this opportunity to interview Chris he confronted Chris
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with Catherine's missing persons case and questioned him for four hours by the end Chris confessed
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that he shot Catherine in his apartment in Medina Ohio detective Scott tried to get to the
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bottom of where he hid the body right Chris told him that he ditched her in a dumpster
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but detectives found evidence that Chris once bragged about knowing how to quote
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get rid of bodies this by burying them in a shallow grave and putting lime on top or feeding them to Hogs which will
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eat everything including clothing and Bones this was quoted from the 14news.com story
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I guess after this confession Captain Chris was extradited to Ohio his attorney struck a deal with prosecutors
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who without the body they don't have this Catherine's body right so they were kind of backed into a corner here and
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felt that they had to take what they could get so the deal was that Chris agreed to
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serve 11 to 18 years for manslaughter which is obviously not enough but you also have all these accusations that
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he's also a child molester so at some point you're you've got to get this animal off the streets so you
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can't hurt anybody else he was 39 years old at the time and he started serving his sentence in the fall of 2004 so
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anybody out there looking for a future ex-husband would be happy to know he should be released in 2021 no the answer
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is no so who is this guy you want to look into this guy for a little bit piece of [ __ ] is what he is right I
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second that uh Chris below was a real wild one and not in a good way born and raised in Kentucky and the product of an
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unhappy marriage and even though he chased a lot of women it looks like he had a real disdain for them he had a
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tattoo on his chest depicting a horned woman which he described to investigators as
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showing women as quote blood sucking [ __ ] end quote and despite being a real [ __ ] Chris
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was married five times that we know of oh my God and was engaged when he was finally busted so five times that we
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know of sounds like he was working on number six so what does all of this have to do with
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our case with the missing person case of Heather Teague well they already proved
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that he knew the area well that's right he he grew up in the area and in November of 2004 Kentucky State Police
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confirmed that Chris was under investigation as a person of interest in The Disappearance of Heather Teague
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after the Ohio detective started looking into unsolved cases of missing women in
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Indiana and Kentucky places that they knew that Chris lived well a question for you did do we have any drug history
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with this Chris guy I don't know I can't say for certain that we have anything on
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the books uh my suspicions are that yes that that we would it doesn't because we
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have some on-again off-again use with with Heather so I'm just wondering if that could be the connection there yeah
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I think there could be all kinds of possibilities when we talk about this guy so let let's get into a little bit
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about what the detectives discovered in regards to Chris and their suspicions of
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him they knew that Chris was living in the Henderson Kentucky area in August of 1995 when Heather was abducted
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on the day that Marty Dill killed himself Chris abruptly moved to Georgia this is all very strange he's living in
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the area when she was abducted and on the day that Marty Dill killed himself he gets up and he he takes it to Georgia
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Chris and Heather Teague apparently had some acquaintances in common so they may
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have there's a chance they may have known each other but what we do have here is at least saying that hey people
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that they knew knew each other Heather made a call from a pay phone outside of a bar near Henderson this is the night
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before she vanished this bar was frequented by both Chris below and Marty Dill right so it doesn't have to be one
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of one or the other it could be both there you go that's where my mind goes yeah because I mean that suicide like I
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said doesn't make a lot of sense I mean yes you don't want to go back to jail but it's it's essentially a drug
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charge but if you have a murder charge now now you're facing a whole different kind of sentence those are I think are
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the most damning thoughts about what could connect them to this case we do have one more
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statement and this is from the Akron Beacon Journal where they have people that are saying that Chris hung out at
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the beach where Heather was last seen he was known by these people according to their claims to drink and do drugs there
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I do want to point out we also covered that article that says five to six hundred people may have been at that
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somewhere along that beach that day so it seems to me like most of the people in the area went to that beach so I that
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that whole thing I don't think is such a big deal I find the bar thing really interesting though yeah here's what's
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fascinating though you this woman she's Heather was a pretty lady she catches your eye
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you at some point see her leave you now know her vehicle as you're driving around maybe that
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Beach area you spot her vehicle and like we said she wasn't in the major populated spot of the beach she was kind
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of secluded so is it possible that these two individuals were hanging out and saw her vehicle parked and said hey
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remember that girl from last night and maybe there was conversations that they had with that girl with Heather that
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night and here's another thing in regards to Chris's appearance the physical traits of Chris
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we're going to quote here from the Akron Beacon Journal just because they really
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summed it up very succinctly and they stated quote outwardly he would alternate between an attractive
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confident man sporting a cowboy hat for a photo that he passed out to women that
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he was intrigued by that he wanted to talk to wait he would uh pass out a photo he carried a photo with him here
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you go ladies eat your heart out well I think what they're trying to point out here Captain is that sometimes this man
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had the ability to appear to be clean cut right while other times he appeared to be strung out looking a mountain man
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with unkept hair and a scraggly beard bushy hair in the beard yeah there was one thing though that Chris could not
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hide whether it be under a cowboy hat or you know when he did have that clean-cut
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look he could not hide a peculiar genetic Quirk that gave him kind of a distinct look
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when resting at his sides his arms were bowed and His Hands turned in a awkwardly
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position so his palms faced backward with his thumbs against his thighs this is a little strange what could this
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possibly matter people are wondering so here's where the case starts to go off the rails while looking into Heather
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teague's file in it the detective found the composite drawing of the scraggly bearded man whom Tim Walthall described
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to investigators as the man he saw dragging Heather into the woods right and Thomas believed that he saw in the
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drawing evidence exhibited by that physical nature of Chris with the hands turned inward right
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Tim Walthall told investigators that when he witnessed the abduction he said quote I remembered everything about the
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guy especially how he held his hands turned in and in my humble garage opinion the drawing compiled based on
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Tim walthall's memory it does resemble Chris well and we have no eyewitnesses coming forward saying
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that they saw Chris's vehicle so that makes a lot of sense because we do know that this Bronco was in the area
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so again points back to two individuals and also maybe you commit suicide because you know how big of a piece of
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[ __ ] Chris is and if he is like you said possibly a serial killer then we know
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that he's capable of murdering you as well because we do have the witness who seem
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to be very certain that it was in fact Marty Dill that he saw that day on the beach but we do have a statement of him
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later after he saw the photo of Chris he says you know whether he still thought it was Marty or who took Heather
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or if it could have been Chris he says quote if you asked me five years ago I would have said yes this in regards to
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Marty Dill now he's saying now I don't know right as for Heather's mother really she didn't know what to make of
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this development because remember she had been told by the state police that Marty did this
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so let's talk about this composite sketch that police used to to lead them to Marty Dill first of all
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it's pretty detailed I mean considering that the witness was half a mile away and looking through a
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telescope right it seems a little dubious that uh Tim walthaw would have observed such a small
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detail as to the way that the suspect's hands lie against his thighs I find that
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it look Tim walthalls come under quite a bit of attack and a lot of it I don't Sarah Teague is not going to love
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hearing me say this I don't agree with most of it one thing I do find very strange about his story is this whole
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thing about the the way that the suspect's hands were against his thighs we have his statement
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that this took place very quickly and we know that two things according his to his statement were going on at the time
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one the suspect is carrying a revolver in one hand and at some point the suspect grabs the hair of Heather Teague
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pulls her up and twists it so this this whole thing takes place in a very short window of time and for a good deal of
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that both hands are occupied both hands are doing something where they would not be
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resting naturally at their sides or unnaturally at their side right so I find this to be either either it's very
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convenient now that we have a new suspect or it's just I don't I don't really know what to make of it I'm I'm
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very skeptical of it to say the least well in In fairness to Heather's mother I mean when you go through this uh
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traumatic situation and you're not getting answers and and at one point they're going it's this guy a hundred
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percent and then they go uh wait a second maybe it's this guy and then you have the possibility like we already said
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could be both guys and then so and then you find out that the eyewitnesses has some
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relationships possibly with law enforcement and then you start questioning like we
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said before he you know all records point that this eyewitness didn't call 9-1-1
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that he end up calling um the sheriff's department or the police department in that area which is
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not crazy but if I see something that I think possibly could be violence especially against a female call 9-1-1
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immediately but we have a gap in time uh and I think what also probably has really rubbed Heather's
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mother the wrong way is every time initially that she was dealing with the police she was also dealing with
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eyewitness and I think that would raise some you know red flags why didn't you just talk to them and get his
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statements but he seems to be very invested into this investigation and look again if you're a true crime fan
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then you're gonna go hey there's plenty of times that suspects will uh insert themselves into investigation is that
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what this eyewitness is doing and that could just play tricks on your mind when you're not getting answers the
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the difficult for the difficult thing for Tim to have been involved in this is just that in my opinion he could have
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only been involved there would have had to have been other people involved and I
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say that because we do know for a fact that he did call police right whether the story he's giving is true or
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complete lie we know that he called the police and gave a statement of something
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he says that he's seeing what we also know to be true is we have the videotape proof evidence of her vehicle entering
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the beach that day so if in fact that was her driving her vehicle and I mean the notes say here that the videotape
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I've not seen the videotape but everything I found says that the videotape also shows Heather walking
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down to the beach by herself [Music] if all of those things happen then what that tells me if Tim is a bad guy if
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he's lying if he is somehow involved in her disappearance then he is still just calling it in from across the water and
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something else was going on and this might have been a bigger a whole bigger nasty thing that was going on that
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that's really hard to pinpoint just one person well impossible to pinpoint one person for being responsible before we
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move on from the composite sketch though Captain I do want to point out hold on I
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do want to point out that he was also with his wife at the time and so if he's involved
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then his wife would have to be involved as well the thing with the composite sketch according to Sarah and I
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I like this I like this questioning that she has going on regarding the sketch itself because she says at some point
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hey I believe what they did was they reverse engineered this whole sketch meaning they didn't sit Tim down
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and he describes the guy and then they pull up the paper and go up this is what he described no she's saying there's a
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possibility that they were drawing a picture of Marty Dill right and remember His Old driver's license in fact does
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match the description of the composite sketch right so they could have pulled out from their records and then use that
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to draw a positive and nobody really will know for sure we do have the Kentucky State
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Police on record saying no we drew the guy as described by our witness and and we do have we we do have Tim on record
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who says look all I know is I saw a guy take a girl off the beach and I described what he looked like yeah but
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you know what this all sounds like remember with making a murder where they have
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um a lineup a photo photograph lineup and they end up putting Steven Avery in that lineup it sounds very similar to
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that where it's like okay well we have some eyewitnesses that maybe saw this Bronco we know who owns that Bronco we
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know this guy is kind of a shady character so they're all him draw him up that's what Sarah is pointing out she's
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like look that that whole bit slipped through the cracks and they screwed up by reverse engineering this composite
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sketch and oh I figured it out because you didn't put two and two together that that this guy doesn't actually still
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look like this he may have looked like this at one time but he doesn't at the time of the abduction now the tricky
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thing as we've already pointed out is Chris below does not he I mean he looks like the composite as well
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so it's I mean it's really just a very difficult thing we even have a statement by Sarah the mother who says at some
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point where she actually believes that maybe the composite was somehow put together after they were already on to
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to Chris which I with Marty I'm sorry which is not so much different than what she was saying years ago
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we're going to segue just briefly here captain and look at whether Chris would be connected to any other missing
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women as stated by the police detective Thomas believed that since Chris worked as a truck driver along routes that
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included North and South Carolina Florida Alabama and Louisiana that he should be looked at in other cases of
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missing women around the country there does seem to be reason to suspect that he could be a repeat offender or even
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possibly a serial killer as you pointed out and here are some reasons why his half-sister Melissa
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told police that her brother kept a shoebox of items that were suspicious she said a reporter to a reporter quote
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he pulled out the box one time and said if anything ever happens to me hold on to this
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so what was in the Box according to Melissa and it were letters new photos right and items of jewelry but it also
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contained flyers for five or six missing women she said that Chris had moved the items
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in the shoe box to a metal box with a lock after he found out that she looked through it and had taken the box with
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him when he left investigators executed numerous search warrants looking for this box in
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December of 2004 multiple agencies joined in the search for this box when they searched Chris's fiance's home they
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also opened up a storage unit that was rented by Chris they're looking for that lock box
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they're looking for according to the newspapers items that could connect him to The Disappearance of Heather Teague
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as well they did not find the lock box but they did find a certified mail receipt that placed Chris in Saint Cloud
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Florida in 1998 at the time when a woman by the name of Mary kushtu vanished after leaving a local bar she's
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never been found either and her case remains unsolved and open to this day [Music]
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foreign [Music] [Music] cheers mates cheers Captain we are going to look we could spend a whole episode or two just
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on this Christopher character if anybody wants to look him up it's Christopher J
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below or below or Bello however you want to pronounce it but it's spelled b-e-l-o-w look him up he suspected in a
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lot of different cases some of them seem to be a bit of a leap and others seem to
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have quite a bit more weight to him but he's an interesting one to consider we won't
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totally move off of him though because I want to touch on this real quick in regards to the case that we're
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talking about this is from a November 2004 article that ran in 14news.com actually a series of articles about
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Chris being considered a person of interest and it contains a new Theory one that you were dancing around earlier
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and this states that in the article it reveals some information about the videos that we talked about earlier
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where we have the farmers who were setting up a surveillance so to speak of the area of the day in question
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and the article States regarding this video that the investigators believe that the suspect that Dill Marty Dill is
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behind the wheel of his Bronco remember the video captured her car her walking to the beach and the Bronco right and
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they also say that the video captured possibly Dill behind the wheel of the Bronco with maybe Heather being in the
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bed of the truck and investigator say it appears that Heather's car may have been ransacked
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and the person who is doing it was probably not well is hiding from the camera I'm guessing that the camera
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would have been obvious to people in the area most likely to the right of the car
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where the corn stalks have been crushed down the investigators speculate that Dill Marty Dill drove the Bronco while
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someone else assaulted Heather in the back of the vehicle and they believe that that someone could be Chris below
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intriguing right we have two suspects that both look good for this abduction separately but also together as well
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well we have a questionable eyewitness questionable as far as the family is questioning his involvement well I think
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this is where we want everybody to hang on because this case will get even stranger as we go because there is an
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entirely different set of circumstances to consider and this will take us down a
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whole other path to the possible truth yeah some rabbit holes Sarah Teague says that the FBI
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which were involved in Heather's case came to her in 2005 and stated that agents discovered evidence that sat in
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the evidence room at the Kentucky State Police and was never tested the state police had screwed up the
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investigation the agency recommended that Sarah pursue the case at the federal level she should have Heather
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legally declared dead if she did so it would allow the FBI to provide her with their documentation about the case
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pursuant to foia request let's Ponder this just for a second right evidence in the custody of the
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State Police sat collecting dust rather than being tested all of this time yeah in the face of the same agency telling
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the family that Marty Dill killed their daughter and then killed himself that's the problem though is sometimes with
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these cases you have law enforcement going hey we think this is the guy we just can't prove it okay now we have to
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move on to other cases but this whole time you had some evidence that was sitting there and you believe you you've
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identified the victim you believe you've identified the perp let's let's test some evidence right and see if we can
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close a case I agree with you so after after doing as instructed after declaring having her declare dead Sarah
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got her hands on the FBI Files which were of course heavily redacted now we have only Sarah's word
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for what these files contained they have not been made public although the find Heather teague.com webpage has some
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brief excerpts so all of this information is according to Sarah now this is some of what she said she
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has uncovered an unnamed FBI agent wrote in a 2005 memo that Heather Teague was last seen on a boat ramp not on the
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beach on a boat ramp two hours after the key witness called police FBI documents indicate more than one
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person may have been involved in Heather's disappearance Sarah believes that Heather may have
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been going into the witness protection program based on some of the documents stating
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quote WP program on them one of the documents excerpt for public view on Sarah's site
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written by an FBI agent in 2005 includes the statement presently attention is primarily being
00:35:59
focused on the strong possibility of drug slash prostitution strip club public corruption link to Heather
00:36:08
teague's abduction investigation continues a 2007 FBI synopsis mentioned that something redacted in the memo was being
00:36:19
kept a secret by the Kentucky State Police at the present time no family member attorney is aware of the same
00:36:29
the records don't explain why the FBI started looking into Heather's disappearance Sarah said an FBI agent
00:36:36
told her it was because the case was potentially connected to another case in which the agency had interest the FBI
00:36:45
documents on her site are very heavily redacted and almost impossible to make heads or tails of one mentions a source
00:36:55
has heard that certain public officials in Henderson strongly enforce meth violations in an effort to promote and
00:37:04
protect their cocaine business it also mentions Uncle Sam's strip club another says that there was a club
00:37:13
you're gonna you're going over this too fast for me Uncle Sam's strip club meaning that the government has a strip
00:37:21
club no the or that there's an actual strip club called Uncle Sam's there's a strip club called Uncle Sam's strip club
00:37:28
Okay the reason why I'm going over this very fast is we're talking about documents Where damn near everything has
00:37:34
been blacked out on them so all you're getting is little bits and pieces and so we don't know what their relationship is
00:37:42
if anything that's the key thing there if anything is to this case but these are the things that they chose not to
00:37:49
redact and if in fact this did come from the FBI as Sarah says it did then this is the breadcrumbs that we have yeah I
00:37:57
mean there's a lot of it seems like there's a possibility because we know that Heather had some drug use that
00:38:04
maybe there's some possibilities that she was working with law enforcement possibly to set up a sting for people
00:38:13
that's one Theory and then and and go with me on this but the idea is that there was a sting that day
00:38:22
it didn't go well she was taken captive and the reason why some of this stuff hasn't been tested or we don't have
00:38:32
answers from law enforcement is because since they were working with Heather that they have to cover up that they
00:38:38
made a mistake and they weren't able to protect her that's one of the claims that are out
00:38:44
there right and the way that that theory kind of goes in place to the people that
00:38:48
we've already mentioned in this whole mess is the possibility of our witness actually being in the drug trade himself
00:38:58
who is phoning in a phony abduction that may involve the two suspects that we've
00:39:05
already mentioned one or both of them right we know that we have a Dead Man Marty Dill who was running some kind of
00:39:14
growing selling marijuana operation and that maybe somehow a lot of these people were in cahoots together and he's
00:39:22
phoning in something kind of a staged abduction that's meant to look like something else when really
00:39:27
they're they're just trying to shut up this young woman who is is looking to to put a lot of people
00:39:35
behind bars right again as said I I don't know we have to point out that that these documents they come from
00:39:43
Sarah it take them for what what they are or for what I guess for what we're being
00:39:49
told that they are grain of salt we don't know if anything if this has to do with the actual Abduction of her
00:39:56
daughter it does mention a club in town called rumors really all this is hinting
00:40:01
at though there are rings that are doing illegal activities and making money doing illegal activities and either
00:40:12
Heather was aware of these or she was involved in taking them down that's what that is meant to point at
00:40:20
another whole mess in this this big case here captain is the calls themselves the calls that
00:40:27
started it all with the eyewitness who says I witnessed the abduction phones it into police now
00:40:35
there's discrepancy whether 9-1-1 was called whether the Indiana state police was called whether the Kentucky State
00:40:42
Police was called and then transferred to Indiana State Police it gets all very messy very quick but what we do know did
00:40:51
happen is Sarah was eventually able to finally listen to this call because at some point she gets suspicious of the
00:41:00
eyewitness and of the call itself and at the very least says hey I'm the victim's mother at the very
00:41:07
least you could let me hear the call right well and look I I just want to point out that there's so many cases
00:41:16
that we have looked into or that are a part of the True Crime world and when there's not answers
00:41:25
you start becoming suspicious of almost anybody so I I think that's what has definitely
00:41:34
happened in this case but I just want to say that that has happened with a lot of
00:41:39
cases and then you that's when you start getting the these ideas of these bigger
00:41:44
conspiracies but again here's an individual the eyewitness that has inserted themselves in law enforcement
00:41:53
allowed that to happen so again I think it's within the within her rights to go hey I'm
00:42:02
suspicious of this person because you have allowed him to be here and to be so present during this investigation well
00:42:10
and I'm going to try to go through this as efficiently as possible let's say because this is a long story and there's
00:42:19
a lot of twists and turns in this portion of the story as well and I don't want to lose anybody along the way so
00:42:24
I'm going to try to make it efficient but before we get into that it's it's not just
00:42:31
a suspicion of other people being involved or or maybe your mind runs wild and you go to these big conspiracy
00:42:37
theories or anything like that it's also at some point you just go maybe this group cannot solve this case maybe this
00:42:45
group cannot figure out what happened to my loved one give me a damn shot at it give me a shot at it right I know that I
00:42:51
don't have the resources that other places do maybe I can rally the troops and maybe we can figure this thing out
00:42:57
and look this is a cold case and it was cold years ago it didn't just get cold last week this thing has been cold on
00:43:06
ice for a while so I'm I'm fully with Sarah Teague here the short of it to start us off here captain in regards to
00:43:15
the call the eyewitness call to 9-1-1 would be that she says look I want to hear the call and can you can you
00:43:24
produce the call and give it to me can I get a file or a copy of this call she gets the run around saying hey it's on
00:43:31
reel to reel or we're having trouble locating it blah blah blah right but this eventually
00:43:37
ends up with her finally hearing it sitting down with law enforcement to hear it in 2008 and she says hey I heard
00:43:45
a digital copy it wasn't Real to Reel like I had been told all these years so that is going to cause some suspicion
00:43:52
on her part well Sarah Teague sued hold on a second yes it might cause some suspicion but
00:43:59
it's very possible that they took any reel to real tape that they had and converted into digital format because it
00:44:07
would save a lot of space well of course of course I know that you know that Sarah Teague probably very well knows
00:44:12
that she's just going if it was so damn hard to get a hold of it for me to hear it years ago why all of a sudden this
00:44:19
and why is it not what you told me it was this whole time right so she sues the State Police in 2016. this for
00:44:27
denying her open records request relating to that call itself this motivated by what her attorney says was
00:44:36
a discrepancy in the call itself meaning the details that are given during that call there's a discrepancy
00:44:44
between what they heard when they listened to it in 2008 and then when they heard it again in 2016 when they
00:44:52
got permission to hear the call again it was played for them by a state police detective that was assigned to the case
00:45:00
now Sarah and her lawyer believed that it was different as said as the one that they heard eight years earlier her
00:45:07
lawyer said that the state detective told Sarah that the reel-to-reel tape of the 911
00:45:14
call had not been sent to the FBI until 2012. and it was returned in digital format in
00:45:23
2014. let's think about this for a second part of the reason why she's told hey we can't
00:45:29
produce this tape for you as we send it off to the FBI she's saying when I finally heard it
00:45:36
when I when they produced it in 2008 it was a digital copy now in 2016 they're saying hey it wasn't sent off to the FBI
00:45:45
until 2012 when we got it back we got it back in digital format in 2014. the the stories either they don't know
00:45:54
what's going on and they're perfectly innocent and it's just they they've really
00:45:59
screwed up the chain of custody on this this good piece of evidence or they're telling them a story it's
00:46:08
it's either one or the other it's either you drop the ball or you're making this up as you go along
00:46:14
and it feels like that and again if you feel like law enforcement is making stuff up as they go along
00:46:23
that's why I just I I feel so bad for the victims families in a lot of these cases I mean you
00:46:30
know look at the Amy mahalovic case I mean and what that can do to parents and and you're almost like grasping at
00:46:40
straws and in and sometimes you hear people make fun of the victims families for
00:46:48
looking for answers from psychics and from Terror readings and from wherever you know I mean but I think it's just it
00:46:56
just shows like you said if you think the law enforcement is telling you a story then
00:47:05
what hope do you have yeah I mean from the outside looking in here I mean obviously we're not privy to a lot of
00:47:12
the closed-door meetings that Sarah had with law enforcement and mind you she is
00:47:17
talking to several different agencies she is represented by an attorney as well but I mean it looks like there is
00:47:26
something Something Fishy going on something and and maybe again maybe it's not anyone's
00:47:34
fault per se maybe they're not they're not puppeteering this whole Magic act but maybe they they just don't
00:47:43
they don't have the answers but don't make them up don't don't produce an answer if you just don't know but it's
00:47:49
also the difficult like you said we don't know the information that she has from law enforcement because they had to
00:47:55
disclose all that to her right but some of these leads or some of these things that they worked you know like oh
00:48:01
there's eyewitness that saw her on a boat dock we don't know where that lead took them right and what we end up
00:48:10
having here is you know she wants these this recording or recordings depending on whose side you believe she wants them
00:48:18
released in October of 2017 a judge agreed with Sarah Teague because the state police their concerns about
00:48:26
releasing the 9-1-1 tape they're saying hey this is an open investigation we don't want this
00:48:33
released and the judge comes out and says look your concerns and the way you've explained them to the
00:48:40
court are vague speculative and extremely remote based right and he ruled that look it was a complete
00:48:48
disregard of Sarah's rights willfully violating the St the state open records law
00:48:57
and so the judge ordered that the state police release the call or calls again depending on who you believe and related
00:49:05
chain of custody information to Sarah and her attorney at that time so now they're given this information it's now
00:49:12
Theirs to do what they will with it in January of 2018 her attorney filed a motion for contempt and a motion to
00:49:22
compel the motion's claim that the state police failed to provide the records as
00:49:28
ordered by the judge so they've had four months to produce after the court ordered them to do so
00:49:36
and they had not by this point they had produced a grand total of zero materials
00:49:42
that were required by the court so the judge ordered the state police to pay Sarah's attorney's fees and costs and
00:49:49
penalties which totaled over 23 000 dollars well which is good for her but yeah because she shouldn't have to
00:49:57
go broke fighting them again for something she already won right but that's again
00:50:03
like like you've always said it's like is it evil or stupid if you're just being stupid and that's why you haven't
00:50:10
given it to her or you're trying to be like oh well she sued us so we're just gonna be uh pain in the ass about it
00:50:17
but it's not affecting their pockets it's affecting the taxpayer Pockets I imagine
00:50:24
you know because she's probably suing the department she's not suing individual detectives or officers
00:50:31
and so good that they have to pay for her lawyer fees but it also just makes it seem evil like there's something
00:50:40
nefarious going on here like they're trying to cover up something look and I'm not coming after the Kentucky State
00:50:47
Police that's not what I came to the garage to do today so I don't when I leave the garage here I don't want
00:50:53
anybody to be left with that impression that that the colonel that we set out to
00:50:58
destroy the Kentucky State Police because I'm sure it's it's a fine outfit it's a fine organization but what I see
00:51:04
here in this case does not reflect that I I drive through that beautiful state many many times I do not want any
00:51:11
trouble at all but what it causes me to question is multiple things what did they know or
00:51:19
suspect about the victim involved here you know we saw these things of maybe witness protection or maybe she knew of
00:51:27
some bad dealings going on and she was informing law enforcement about that but that that makes you take it a step
00:51:33
further then we have outside agencies involved we know the FBI was involved because they gave redacted files to
00:51:40
Sarah this is per Sarah's statement to the public right and we also have reason to believe that other agencies outside
00:51:48
agencies were involved this is the detectives from Ohio coming down and saying hey this Chris guy that's been uh
00:51:56
snooping around you're possibly snooping around your beach and might be linked to
00:52:00
your missing persons case down here we think he's good for some disappearances in our state and probably in some other
00:52:07
states and then you wonder well if they weren't willing to work with the Teague family how well did they work with the
00:52:13
FBI how well did they work with these other agencies and look we say it all the time here in the
00:52:19
garage it takes a village to raise a child we all know that sometimes it takes a village to solve a case
00:52:25
sometimes it takes a bit takes a village to protect our children and to protect our people you got to work together and
00:52:32
I question if they did that and if they did how much effort did they put into working with with these others well and
00:52:39
sometimes you can raise a child with a pack of wolves but look this uh department needs to get their [ __ ]
00:52:48
together this is a this is a victim that again you drop the ball so stop continuing to drop the ball
00:52:56
and it makes again stupid or evil it starts making you question though even though I I don't think there's any
00:53:05
evidence that this eyewitness is a bad dude or that he has this horrible criminal
00:53:10
record but if he is somehow tied in with law enforcement then are they protecting him in some kind of manner
00:53:21
it it makes it very questionable and um yeah so well the other thing though too is you know we have a
00:53:30
situation where whatever happened to Heather she was 23 years old on that day when she vanished
00:53:37
when she went missing today she would be what 48 years old we're coming up on 25
00:53:43
years on this case so we're talking about currently a whole new generation of officers in that state police outfit
00:53:53
a whole new generation so there's no reason for them to cover up for past transgressions against you know the
00:54:03
the old the old regime let's say uh but they also just might not be aware of what was going on 25 years ago this case
00:54:13
is really a confusing mess of rumors allegations changing stories and false leads it's almost impossible to make out
00:54:23
what actually happened to our victim to Heather Teague yeah well when you have rumors that possibly that she was
00:54:30
working for law enforcement possibly working maybe even for the feds then they she
00:54:38
enters some kind of witness protection program but you'd think at some point they would
00:54:43
have explained this to at least her mother or would have had her um you have all these rumors like that I
00:54:51
mean like I was telling you in an interview she doesn't go into it too much but at one point she says
00:54:57
it's possible my daughter was working for the Democrats and you're like what is she talking about there there's
00:55:04
there's no follow-up in the interview after she says that and but I think again when
00:55:13
we shouldn't have to question law enforcement as hard as she's had to question law enforcement and I think
00:55:21
once you have to do that opens up a can of worms and it really makes your brain go Anything is Possible
00:55:30
Bigfoot is possible aliens are possible you know what I mean well here's some things okay
00:55:39
I have to believe that if the FBI obtained any actual concrete information they would have acted on it rather than
00:55:47
just hand the files over to the victim's mom over to Sarah I agree uh again I believe this case is a confusing mess of
00:55:56
rumors and allegations as a result Heather's fate is really been the subject of all kinds of
00:56:03
rumors you discussed some of them and we discussed the witness protection program
00:56:07
Theory a bit look I I purposely do not want to go through all of these rumors because
00:56:13
there's not enough time and really a lot of them these rumors run the gamut and most
00:56:19
don't track most of them don't have any carry any weight to them at all some of the more interesting ones though that I
00:56:26
found along the way maybe she was buried in concrete and Bluff City near a trailer this is on Second Street where
00:56:34
she was rumored to have been killed other rumors are she was killed and fed to Hogs this was backed up by a redacted
00:56:42
FBI document regarding a jailhouse snitch your favorite kind of snitch there Captain who reported that he heard
00:56:49
two guys and one said he killed Heather in Webster County and fed her two hogs there's another rumor that Heather was
00:57:00
the victim of a snuff film Sarah Teague seems to have believed this at some point early on in the investigation
00:57:07
here's another one Heather was accidentally run over while trying to escape a moving vehicle either
00:57:15
the Chevette or the Bronco both already mentioned in our story she was then put in a box and dumped into the Green River
00:57:25
this one came from a brother-in-law of Marty Dill who said she died while trying to escape
00:57:33
of all of the rumors and possibilities this is one that that I can't get out of my mind I cannot shake this one this one
00:57:42
feels to me to be much different than the other rumors out there I also have seen several cases where people are have
00:57:51
dumped victims bodies into this Green River so very interesting that this rumor includes one or both of the
00:58:00
vehicles that we've already mentioned and this kind of notorious Green River what does her mother believe
00:58:10
well as summarized in the messenger Inquirer quote Sarah Teague believes that her daughter was involved with
00:58:19
illegal drugs and may have been about to expose powerful people she has said the
00:58:24
case involved drugs prostitution and public corruption and that Heather met with a Henderson police officer the
00:58:32
night before she was abducted Sarah said that Heather met up with this same officer three weeks earlier this all
00:58:39
points to Heather being a CI and informant for the police and Tim Walthall she believes may have been
00:58:49
working with the cops or made up his story altogether to hide something else further she has insinuated that Marty
00:58:58
Dill might have been murdered we'd like to state that we've have seen nothing to verify these theories
00:59:07
now this Theory seems to hold I guess some weight on maybe its face and probably at the core of it as well
00:59:15
however this theory has some wide widespreading tentacles and the theory quickly becomes complicated and
00:59:24
very unlikely what's strange about Heather's case is the manner of the abduction
00:59:32
because if somebody planned to take Heather whether a gang of drug dealers corrupt local authorities or someone who
00:59:39
was stalking her a public beach in broad daylight does not seem like the best option for a
00:59:46
discreet kidnapping that's not when you knew that the night before she was at a bar
00:59:52
yes she's at a bar or you're having a one-on-one meeting with her earlier on you could have snatched her then and
00:59:59
what I'm pointing out is it it seems downright Brazen and way too risky if that's if that's what you're trying to
01:00:06
carry out and not impossible though not impossible but I also think that it's out of the
01:00:12
question that this would be a witness protection situation they're not too much money spent yeah
01:00:20
resources I feel like this type of violent forced abduction seems more much more like a typical crime of opportunity
01:00:28
some guy or some guy's driving by or heading to the beach saw Heather Park walking alone to a secluded part of the
01:00:37
Sandy Waterfront decided to grab her whether it was Dill whether it was Chris whether it was both
01:00:45
um I mean really it's it's anyone's guess at this point I have to think that the big fork in the road in this case is
01:00:53
very simple it lies with the witness reporting the abduction if this report is truthful then this was very likely a
01:01:02
sexually motivated crime likely perpetrated by some stranger or possibly strangers working
01:01:09
together if his report is a lie and creates this false narrative then maybe the tentacles
01:01:16
stretch as wide and deep as Sarah says and as wide as she believes however Captain I see a mother who has worked so
01:01:26
incredibly hard to locate her daughter to bring her daughter home even if she is already passed away
01:01:34
and out of this hurt and Desperation one could easily begin to believe in their heart
01:01:41
that the answer has to be a complicated one or else by now we would know what happened
01:01:47
fortunately we are currently living in an age when cold cases 20 25 30 some years later are finally getting soft and
01:01:57
time and time again we see the answer is usually rather simple a cruel display of
01:02:02
how someone just simply has no empathy and really no basic human decency the attacker is often some violent deviate
01:02:11
and because he has no heart puts his selfish disgusting once ahead of someone else's beautiful life I pray that Sarah
01:02:21
gets the answers that she and her family so very much deserve after all of this time and heartache Sarah was so
01:02:29
dedicated to finding Heather and so vocal in her advocacy for missing persons in general that she was
01:02:35
appointed as a Kentucky Outreach coordinator for Q the community United effort Center for missing persons
01:02:44
Tim Walthall has been dragged through the mud in this case he was even told by the Kentucky State
01:02:52
Police to leave town for a while Judge Shepard refused to require him to submit to a polygraph or to testify in
01:03:00
court on grounds that it would deter future Witnesses in other cases we hope that one day Heather is found
01:03:09
and the answers to all of these outstanding questions are resolved if you have any information on The
01:03:16
Disappearance of Heather Teague her mother would prefer that you contact her her email address is Sarah dot teague5
01:03:27
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