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crime n Zanesville Ohio a little before 5:00 p.m. on October 18th 2011 Sam copek walked to the paddock
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behind his home to attend to the horse he bought 9 days earlier the horse was acting skittish and moved toward the far
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corner of the field on the other side of the fence separating them from his neighbor Terry Thompson's property copu
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noticed Thompson's horses seemed very agitated they were running in a circle and in the center there was some kind of
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dark shape only when the shape broke out of the circle could copek see it was a black bear the bear was small and ran
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away from copek copek planned to put his horse in the barn and go back inside his
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home he walked over to his his horse and started guiding the animal to the barn when something caught his
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eye just on the other side of the fence and staring right at them was a fully grown African lion copek continued with
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his horse to the barn even though the lion could easily clear the fence separating them it just sat there
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watching him and the horse as they hurriedly walked toward the barn Sam cobek and the horse made their
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way inside and Sam locked the doors behind them once there Sam grabbed the phone and
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called his home where he knew his 84-year-old mother was sitting watching TV she picked up the phone and Sam
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explained what he saw Mrs cek telephoned the home of Terry Thompson her neighbor
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but no one answered inside the barn Sam copek kept a watchful eye on the events just
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outside to his astonishment he spotted a tiger the Tiger spotted the horses and quickly went after
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them with no one answering the phone at the Thompson's house Mrs copek called 911 the emergency dispatcher picked up
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Mrs copek said yes this is dores cop on cop road we live next to Terry Thompson and there's a bear and a lion out the
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dispatcher questioned further there's a bear and a lion out Mrs cek replied yeah
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right up behind us that would be the call that set the whole town on edge for with that 911
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call postal delivery was suspended and the Zanesville City Schools were closed and thus began the search for lions
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tigers and [Music] bears Deputy John Mary was serving a court summons a couple of miles away when the
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call came through about large and dangerous animals in the area of the Thompson and copek properties he
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responded immediately arriving a short time later there he could see just inside Thompson's fence a tiger a black
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bear and two lions while he was waiting for Mrs copek to answer the door he saw a large gray wolf running Southward
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along the road he ran to his patrol car and followed the wolf after following the animal for a while the wolf veered
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from the road and started running toward a house the officer pulled over abruptly
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parked the cruiser and popped the trunk keeping his eyes on the wolf officer Mary retrieved a rifle from the trunk
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and set out on foot following the animal along the way he called in each observation and action to police
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dispatch do you understand how big a wolf is right well yeah I mean they're it's not like he's tracking a big dog
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this is like a dog times a 100 yeah it's not not like a coyote like you're picturing in your mind right now picture
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that but times it by about three cuz they're giant so he's keeping his eye on this animal he's got the rifle now that
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he got from the trunk of his car and he's following this wolf on foot and he said he was about 80 yards away when an
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order came over the radio to put the animal down officer Mary fired a sing shot and dropped his Target after the
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wolf went down Mary fired a few more times to make sure the animal was dead he was inspecting the body when a call
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came over the radio some officers cornered a lion near Thompson's residence so he hurried back Mary drove
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up the hill and stopped near the Thompson's driveway there he saw a black bear officer Mary got out of his Cruiser
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and facing him and running straight toward him was the bear armed with only his standard issue weapon the officer
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fired a single shot before the charging bear could reach him just in a short time officers saw several lions at least
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one tiger a cougar a black bear and a Grizzly the officers were ordered to patrol the borders of the Thompson
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property so he's ordered to take down the wolf but as far as patrolling the property were they told to also take
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down anything that they saw at the time yeah I believe that anything that they spotted you know they wanted to
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basically form a perimeter around this property and if any of these animals are trying to leave the property their
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orders were to shoot the kill MH um so here's the situation Captain we have the Thompson property he was known Terry
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Thompson was known to have exotic animals and so this wasn't like something that was unknown to the
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Sheriff's Department or to the local police they knew about this the problem here is the these animals are loose they
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believe they're coming from Thompson's property and when they get to the property they can see Lions cougars M
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you know multiple bears oh my and the question here is how many of these animals does he have and how many of
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them are loose and why are they loose right because this is this is a private property this isn't like a zoo right
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where a bunch of locals have gone through and said hey I've been there before we know that there's 40 animals
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or 100 animals m nobody knows how many animals there are at 5:35 p.m. The Man In Charge Sheriff Matt Lutz arrived on
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the scene in the 15 minutes that it took him to get there the reports over the radio escalated the seriousness became
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very clear there were several large and dangerous animals on the loose now in the immediate area surrounding the
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Thompson property there's an apartment building soccer fields and Interstate 70 no one seemed to know where property
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owner Terry Thompson was or what was really going on Sergeant Steve Blake decided he should drive up to Thompson's
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house so we know that there's animals all over this property and this guy decides hey I'm going to drive up to the
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house mhm and who cares if there's Lions there or Tigers there yeah they need to
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locate Terry Thompson and they need to speak with him to figure out what's going on I mean it takes somebody with
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some big konas yeah to do that or or a lot of uh he trust his vehicle you know what I mean like he's like who cares
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about the vehicle you have to still get out of the car and go to the door well as he neared the farm buildings he saw
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more animals uh their cages had either been cut through or left open mhm the officer honked the horn several times
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but no one came out of Thompson's house back near the road John Moore arrived Moore worked on the Thompson property
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for Terry and took care of the land and fed Thompson's exotic animals John Moore
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went with officer Blake back up to the Thompson House along the way they saw nothing when they arrived near the home
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Moore pointed out some cages the cages contained two monkeys and a dog still no sign of Terry Thompson they turned
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around but before they could reach the road they spotted a large white tiger near the barn mhm at the tiger's paws
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there was a lifeless human body and the tiger appeared to be eating it okay so eating the body eating the body the
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human body mhm mhm so this is a crazy scene right I mean we've talked about a lot of strange scenes uh throughout the
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years on this show some would say it's a typical Thursday this has got to be one
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of the craziest scenes that we've ever discussed and and we've we've often spoke about how easy it is for armchair
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detectives or people watching TV at home to go well why did the police do this or
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why didn't they do that and we've always tried to remind everyone that often they
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don't know what they're walking into when they arrive on a scene sometimes they get a domestic call or sometimes
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they get a call about you know a strange vehicle somewhere and they arrive and they don't know what's going on or two
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drunk guys in a garage doing a podcast the thing here is they at least get the call that there's a a lion and a bear
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out wandering around but when they get to the scene they're spotting all kinds of animals now MH since law enforcement
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could not get in touch with Terry Thompson and it was likely his body they spotted near the barn they needed to get
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some Intel from Mr John Moore so they did an impromptu interview with Moore and Moore's fiance at the foot of
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Thompson's driveway after some back and forth they determined that there were 56
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animals on the property I'm unclear Captain if this includes the two monkeys and the dog found in the cages near the
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home or if this is from another portion of this very large property M meanwhile while the authorities phoned the
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Columbus Zoo the Columbus Zoo is is pretty welln I mean it's nationally known opened up in 1927 the Columbus Zoo
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is considered to be one of maybe even the number one zoo in the United States it is I mean sometimes it goes Falls to
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number two but when I rank call the zoos it's the best there you go the the nonprofit Columbus Zoo houses thousands
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of animals and hundreds of different species from all over the world the zoo is about 40 m away from the Thompson
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property the zoo's Chief Operating Officer was alerted by a staff member who told him we have to go to Terry
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Thompson's the animals are out now the COO didn't know who Thompson was but others at the zoo did M Doctor Michael
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Barry the zoo's director of Animal Health was up at Thompson's property to inspect his large private collection of
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animals in 2008 Barry said he was horrified at what he saw there in terms of security
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cleanliness and animal cruelty it wasn't like this guy had this facility that was
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nice for the animals these were small cages for big animals there was I mean it was dirty it looked like they weren't
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fed properly but the laws being so I guess you'd say loose in Ohio that all they could really do is do these checks
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on these individuals and then maybe find them or have a permanent violation but even that wasn't even a big fine the
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Columbus Zoo assembled its capture and Recovery team armed with both tranquilizer dark guns and regular
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weapons and they set out for Zanesville continuing the interview with Moore he told police he last spoke with
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Terry Thompson the night before at 9:00 p.m. the officers needed to get back on Thompson's property and move to see what
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was really going on the plan one officer would drive a pickup truck while four armed officers would sit together in the
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bed of the truck M and they were told to neutralize the animals on the loose if they saw any they drove back to where
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the lifeless body was spotted two tigers surprised the crew charging the bed of the truck the officers were forced to
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shoot them the Tigers were put down from where the truck was the men could see a
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man's body flat on his back a white tiger was on top of him the tiger stood up and was staring at the truck they
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believe the body was that of a deceased Terry Thompson mhm the unit received a call to respond to another portion of
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the property when they returned the white tiger was gone at the spot of the body they found bolt cutters and
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stainless steel Ruger 357 Magnum Revolver the cause of death seemed to be a gunshot to the Head the gunshot wound
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suggested a barrel placed in the mouth there was a sizable laceration on Thompson's head that was consistent with
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a big cat's bite the body had laid in one spot for some time and then it was dragged some
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distance Away by his arm the body had been chewed on there were also pieces of raw chicken scattered around the body
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well that's interesting cuz you wonder where this raw chicken is coming from was Thompson carrying it well here's the
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thing one of the experts from the zoo theorized that Thompson probably used the raw chicken to entice the animals to
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eat the chicken but also eat his body so let's talk more about the zoo's involvement right because I remember
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hearing this on the radio and thinking cool they're bringing in the experts from the zoo they're they're doing the
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right thing right but by the time the Columbus Zoo team arrived it was dark out well we already have a bunch of dead
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animals well they were told that it wasn't safe for them to try to tranquilize anything because so many
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animals were circulating and others were scattering outward well and let's break
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this down because what I heard was first of all when you hit the animal with a tranquilizer it works best if you hit it
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in not a fatty area but a a muscle area mhm so in the dark you want to know did you get a good shot or a bad shot and if
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it hits a muscle it's going to take 5 to 10 minutes but now that animal is going
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to be irritated and those animals are around other animals so do you irritate that animal and have it attack another
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animal MH or again if you have a bad shot it could take 10 minutes 15 minutes or not completely work so then you have
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the fear of you have four tranquilizer guns you start shooting these animals and they start after 5 10 minutes they
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start dropping and and going to sleep I guess right but then you could approach them and all of a sudden boom they're
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back up mhm so this this becomes uh a hazard more so because of because of the time of day and not being able to see
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where you're shooting the animal at yeah and this was covered this story was covered really well by a lot of our
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local media coming from Columbus but one of the best uh sources for information on this case comes from GQ Magazine they
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did a a big story on this about a year after it took place around the one-year anniversary mhm and according to that
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article even when a tranquilizer dose is successfully administered it about 10 minutes to take effect and there is
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great care that is required to establish that it was done correctly right so as you were pointing out and as this
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article points out it is impossible with so many animals running around to to do
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it this way to to correctly administer a tranquilizer when the zoo people returned to the site the next day this
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was 5:30 a.m. and they were joined by Jack Hannah now Hannah is is famous he is famous for his appearances on shows
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like the David Letterman show and he established his career at the Columbus Zoo the previous day he was doing an
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event at Penn State and although he had just had knee surgery he drove straight there he says 100 miles an hour zville
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is Right Between The Wilds in the Columbus Zoo mhm so I think that become it makes it more his problem even though
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it's not his problem if that makes any sense and Zanesville holds a a special significance for Jack Hannah he went to
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school around there he enlisted in the Army there m I guess he spent his honeymoon night there as well and Hannah
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was a trusted and still is a trusted animal Advocate and zanville only being an hour from us I mean it was a place
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that my cover band played all the time I mean those people there they love G Brooks and they love in sync MH I've
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played there so often probably every 6 weeks or so and so when this hit the news it was like it could have been the
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weekend I was there yeah and let me just say if I saw a lion I'd straight ship my pants and the
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really sad thing here is by the time that the zoo was on the scene the following day at 5:30 a.m. when you know
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when they had sunlight to work by this point 49 animals were confirmed dead there was only one unaccounted for
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animal this was a monkey though no Trace would ever be found of it Dead or Alive
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it was eventually decided that it most likely was eaten by one of the cats right like once um he was letting all
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the animals out that during that time it was attacked by one of the cats so six of Terry Thompson's animals survived
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three were leopards they were still in their cages two more were monkeys kept in the living room of the house in two
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small bird cages and finally out back near the empty swimming pool was a small grizzly bear also in a bird cage the
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house itself was disgusting one person on scene said it was the most horrific smelling house they had ever been in
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there was garbage and feces all over the place garbage bags filled with garbage that was knocked over and I mean the
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place was just filthy yeah his wife is going to arrive at the scene around lunchtime yeah Thompson's wife Maran uh
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she gets to the home now she had to be convinced that the survivors these animals that survived this whole
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nightmare situation they had to convince her that they needed to take them to the
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zoo for safekeeping right she was saying please Mr Hannah don't take my children Maran insisted on
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removing the monkeys from their cages herself she was waving off the zoo's personnel and getting these monkeys out
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of the cages she explained that she spent $30,000 buying them and it seemed that she did have a real bond with the
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animals before she opened the cages she sang to them like a sing a lullaby or something right so before she opened up
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the cages that weren't the right sizes for those animals and the filth that was on her property before all that stuff
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she had a real bond with them that's what people reported at the scene yes and they said that the the filthiest
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house they ever seen scene the monkeys clanged to her um and she took them one by one out of the cages it was decided
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that the dead animals were to be buried uh there and then on this property and Mrs Thompson chose the spot where they
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buried the animals so the simplest and shortest version of this story is we have a man Terry Thompson who on this
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second day of these events they firmly believe law enforcement firmly believes this man took his own life but before
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doing so he opened or cut open several of these cages letting out 49 animals mhm and these exotic animals as we said
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lions tigers bears cougars were roaming this property yeah a lot of people think
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there was two agendas here one for to set him free but then like you said before after he committed suicide that
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they would eat his body but that also maybe that the second reason for this was that he wanted the animals to wreak
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havoc onto Zanesville yeah and the thing here is regarding the cages some of them
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being open some of them being cut MH I don't know enough about it to speculate what was going on there you would think
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he would just open the cages but one person on the scene said that they believed the cages were cut so that he
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couldn't reverse what he was doing right like that you know he's he's setting this action forward and it's going to go
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down no matter what once he cuts that first cage well a lot of people speculate too that he didn't release the
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leopards because they would have killed him before he would been able to kill himself
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story that has captured the attention of the nation coming out of Zanesville Ohio
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that's where a man who had a menagerie of wild exotic animals on his property more than 50 of them apparently opened
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their cages to set them free before taking his own life on Tuesday a number of those animals 48 of them were killed
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uh and there is a lot of question this morning as to why they were killed why they could not have been tranquilized
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perhaps moved to a zoo joining us to help answer some of those questions this morning is Jack Hannah director ameritus
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of the Columbus Zoo in aquarium he worked tirelessly with police as they tracked down those animals Jack good to
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have you with us this morning and it is obvious to so many just in watching you over these last couple of days how hard
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all of this has been on you as an animal lover it's been the worst thing that's ever happened to me in 40 years of this
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career 40 years but you know I sat there yesterday when I got there and at daylight and saw the Carnage of the
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animals and I go why couldn't we have tranquilized them but then when I was with the veterians and the sheriff you
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only only had four we had four trampil ler guns that got there now once they got there we're 50 miles away on each
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side Darkness was about 45 minutes picture I don't if you see these Bears behind me those are Grizzlies we had a
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couple of those loose along with 18 Tigers 17 lions and lionesses so picture about 30 40 of them coming out of this
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whole compound with with with four tranquilizer guns now if if we even shot one of these animals like a tiger or a
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bear this thing has to hit a certain muscle they're they're real good shots these folks are but we have 30 something
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animals coming at coming at the sheriff right with our with our people so what can be done with four guns what you have
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happen here once you hit the animal the animal goes and for 3 to 10 minutes he's
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not down he's just running everywhere because he's nervous the drug is taking effect no telling what would have
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happened if four tranquil hours of guns were all we had there and that started with 34 animals they're huge carnivores
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we would have had there's no doubt in my mind after 30 something years of 40 something years doing this we'd had some
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deaths on our hand therefore he had to make the critical decision every time I look at it I know why people around the
00:29:03
world are contacting me around England Australia all over are very upset with over this whole thing the sheriff doing
00:29:08
this he had no choice or we would had major loss of human life in Zanesville Ohio yesterday during the night time
00:29:14
especially yesterday morning when the sun came up so it's all over with now uh I sit here I've sit here last night and
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cried several times I look at this these pictures I don't believe it's happened but what had to happen or we would have
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had a we' had mess on her hands Beyond Comprehension Jack six of the animals were able to be saved they were
00:29:31
transferred to the zoo how are they doing this morning they're doing very well we have footage I think here uh
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right now of the animals footage that was taken early is about 4:00 a.m. this morning they're eating well they're
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doing well and by the way the governor we met all day uh last night the governor now is passing laws immediately
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there'll be no more Animal Auctions in the state of Ohio with exotic animals within 6 months of that we're going to
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go out here the people like we saw last night and those folks better expect a knock on their door and if they're not
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up to standards which are going to be great standards cuz I'm going have something to do with setting those
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standards those animals will be taken immediately and Tak to The Wilds where we're going to spend several hundreds of
00:30:03
thousands of dollars building a repository there for these animals to have a home in a decent way you bring up
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such an interesting point here Terry Thompson who had these animals had a record of animal abuse authorities were
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called out a number of times he had had convictions on related charges and yet he kept these animals the conditions had
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been described as deplorable in some cases if we knew of the situation there if it was seen firsthand how was it
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allowed to continue that's just what we've been sitting over here for the last 3 hours
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since 5:30 this morning my wife asking me the same exact question the sheriff had been up there 30 40 times he went to
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prison my own people I I didn't know about I knew they were out there somewhere there's people in how they
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have these animals I didn't know it was him the own people went there and they weren't allowed they went to the Tobacco
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and Firearms people went there when they went to arrest him for all the weapons they went there but they weren't allowed
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to do anything because the law states he's not open to the public so the United States government cannot inspect
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his property to to write him any kind of citations so what do we have here we have a situation that was unbelievable
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there wasn't any law that we could do anything to him so could do all they could do Jack was basically check and
00:31:03
make sure he had the permits that he needed to have in the state of Ohio and that was it is it can you imagine that
00:31:08
well that that whole thing is changing in the next 60 to 90 days and this will be one of the toughest states in the
00:31:13
country when this gets done to pull anything like this off ever again as long as I'm here I know the governor
00:31:18
governor Strickland started this whole thing Governor casing now is going to carry it through in the next few uh
00:31:22
months and we will be out there and this will not happen again here under my watch in the state of Ohio unless
00:31:27
somebody's thinking this without any of us knowing inside of a cave or something
00:31:30
so many questions about why this happened and how it happened what his thinking was before he took his own life
00:31:35
you actually met with his wife yesterday who's dealing with a number of things at
00:31:40
this point tell us a little bit if you can jack about this conversation and any insight she may have been able to offer
00:31:45
you well what happened was I understood she was very upset with me for taking her children remember these these were
00:31:50
her children for me for someone killing her children and why would I be up there
00:31:53
trying to take the remaining three leopards the certain uh little small primates I say small Apes this big and
00:31:59
as well as one Grizzly why was I taking please don't care take she was crying she was actually uncontrollable and you
00:32:04
know what I did when you see somebody that's just beaten to death it's just done she's lost her husband you know I
00:32:09
can't help that but her husband committed suicide but you see someone that's lost everything I hugged her and
00:32:14
I tried to hold her she was shaking and she I've lost everything you're taking my I said I'm not taking your children
00:32:19
I'm taking to Clum zooo right now to take care of them they're still your children they're your animals we cannot
00:32:23
bring them back in these conditions I'm trying to help you right now and you know something tears started coming out
00:32:27
of my eyes I'm not just telling that for I don't want anybody feel sorry for Jack
00:32:30
Hannah I'm saying that the emotions that have been with me and our staff the sheriff's deputies when you saw those
00:32:34
deputies sitting there they had to shoot those animals I wish you could have seen
00:32:37
their faces I wish you could have seen them when they said they had to go and talk to their children that's not
00:32:41
something that they wanted to half of them looked like they had tears on their eyes what they done they they were
00:32:44
afraid to somebody look at me because here they are shooting animals that Jack Hannah is trying to save you know this
00:32:50
is something that that if you tried to write a script for this I couldn't even imagine even Hollywood coming up with
00:32:55
something like this the saying is like such a bad dream for all of us that uh it's over now the animals lost their
00:33:01
lives the only good out this came that in 90 to 100 days from now this state hopefully never have to face this again
00:33:07
but the woman is you is was was beaten she's done and what was I to do but hold her and tell her that you know this will
00:33:14
hopefully never happen again that's all I could do Jack can't tell you how much we appreciate your time this morning
00:33:19
thank you all right first first beer break of 2019 yeah and we heard Jack Hannah
00:33:32
talking there during that clip the strange thing though here Captain is while that was Terry Thompson's body
00:33:39
that they found on his property you know you and I know there has been some question and the question here is did
00:33:46
Terry Thompson take his own life or was he murdered yeah well cuz somebody's sitting there and they're thinking hey
00:33:53
I'm listening to True Crime garage and what are these whack K's talking about where's the crime MH well first of all
00:34:00
it's a crime to release these animals into the public and if they would have got a hold of somebody this you know
00:34:06
somebody would have been facing murder charges but now you have where the individual that let these go did he
00:34:14
commit suicide or was it Foul Play and you know what though as sad as it is that all these animals these magnificent
00:34:21
animals were killed yeah that night it's almost a miracle that no one was hurt in
00:34:29
this whole thing and look we're we're animal lovers here and so is obviously Jack Hannah MH but he said it best the
00:34:38
fact that there was Zero human casualties this is almost a miracle well let's take a look at Terry
00:34:46
Thompson Terry Thompson was 62 years of age at the time of his death yeah Thompson's body was taken from the scene
00:34:53
for an autopsy at the Licking County coroner's office Terry William Thompson was 5' 5 in tall
00:35:00
and weighed 174 lb he was wearing a black T-shirt blue jeans and white briefs he had a cardiovascular disease
00:35:09
the only notable substance in his blood was Benadryl there was gray powder residue on his left hand that appeared
00:35:15
to be from a gun being fired aside from the gunshot wound they found a 2 and4 in
00:35:22
vertical laceration on the right lower forehead and along the spine of his nose there were 21 other injuries or clusters
00:35:31
of injuries that they detailed these simply as on his head and neck area right others were noted on his torso and
00:35:40
legs and then there was a 5 and 3/4 in by 4 in gaping laceration involving the pubic region
00:35:49
with the absence of genitalia with exposure of the pubic bones and adjacent soft tissue right right but to be clear
00:35:57
we have one gunshot wound correct so we believe that is from himself he's or we think because we have the gun residue on
00:36:07
the hand now people argued that uh Thompson was a guitar player and that he played right-handed guitar and so the
00:36:14
fact that he would have been shooting with his left hand would be odd m i I also make the argument that I know a lot
00:36:21
of people that are left-handed that play guitar in the traditional right-handed way because you're dominant hand on a on
00:36:28
a right-handed guitar is your left hand so that to me is no sign of what hand he
00:36:33
is but I think you know his wife probably could tell us what hand he was well remember John Moore and remember
00:36:40
Moore said that he last spoke with Terry Thompson at 9:00 the previous evening Thompson told more about a letter he
00:36:48
received from an unnamed author saying Terry Thompson's wife Maran had been unfaithful now I don't know if she
00:36:56
actually cheated on Terry but if she did this is how this went down remember we said Dr Michael Barry the director of
00:37:03
Animal Health at the Columbus zoo was up at Thompson's property for an inspection
00:37:08
back in 2008 right this I believe was at the request of law enforcement Dr Barry
00:37:14
was accompanying a an ATF raid that eventually led to Terry Thompson going to prison Thompson was imprisoned for a
00:37:22
year on gun charges even though Dr Barry did not approve of the the animal situation as far as the law is concerned
00:37:29
there was no action that they could take concerning these animals you know this is for a
00:37:36
multitude of reasons one the animal laws in Ohio as you pointed out and actually
00:37:41
many states at the time were pretty relaxed right well very relaxed animal laws the other reason Thompson didn't
00:37:48
receive any punishment for the animal situation was because under the old setup you were allowed a certain amount
00:37:55
of time to improve the animal situation and environment before action would be taken against you so basically they saw
00:38:03
a problem they told him hey you can't be treating these animals or taking care of
00:38:08
them in this way right and instead of there being an immediate punishment like there would be for other laws being
00:38:15
broken he had time to correct the situation so he made changes or upgrades or whatever to improve these facilities
00:38:23
but regardless he went to prison for one year for the gun charges according to this letter Thompson's wife cheated on
00:38:29
him while he was in prison Thompson was only out of prison for 3 weeks before he
00:38:35
opened these cages cut some of them open and killed himself yeah when Terry Thompson spoke with John Moore at 900
00:38:43
p.m. the night before Terry was asking John Moore about Maran having cheated on him while he was in prison Moore told
00:38:51
Thompson he didn't know whether she did or didn't and then Terry makes this statement back to him mhm he said well I
00:38:59
have a plan to find out and you'll know it when it happens okay so his plan was to release these animals and then maybe
00:39:06
should tell them no I don't think that I don't think he thought he would figure it out I think he had this plan to do
00:39:15
something very crazy right I mean letting these animals out and then taking his own life
00:39:22
and I think it was just that it's kind of a a very statement right hey I I've got a plan I'm not going to tell you
00:39:30
what it is but when it happens you'll know because it it's going to make the news you're going to hear about this
00:39:35
yeah when you see the lions running down you know 70 on the freeway you you're going to
00:39:42
know what it would happen but this is this is a tricky situation anyways cuz one it's like I don't like to take
00:39:48
anybody's rights away so should somebody have the right to have a tiger I to me it's like well if you can afford to
00:39:56
house one and you can and you can care for it properly if you have enough land you know what's the difference between
00:40:04
somebody owning one privately and and somebody having one at the zoo mhm but now the zoo has funding do you have the
00:40:11
funding in this case Thompson just doesn't have the funding right and maybe he had the funding at one time mhm and
00:40:19
then maybe this is part of everything slipping away from him he has this house with some land he has all these animal
00:40:26
he can't take care of he has people coming after him saying cuz one the more and more animals you you have the more
00:40:33
and more inspections they're going to do the more and more they're going to be nitpicky you need to fix this you need
00:40:37
to fix that I don't think I had enough money to take care of these animals and instead
00:40:42
of being the bigger man and saying hey how about I I sell these to somebody that can or or donate these to some zoos
00:40:50
give these animals proper homes it was almost like he was stuck like he was going to try to figure out
00:40:58
this problem I got I got to make this right and then he he had these illegal guns right that's what he was arrested
00:41:04
on correct so you have so just an odd situation where you have these tigers and these Lions living on your property
00:41:12
now you have these illegal guns and look there's probably a lot of people in Royal areas that have illegal guns but
00:41:21
maybe because they couldn't get him on charges for the animals they went after the gun route well the ATF was there for
00:41:29
the raid and I think what they did was they knew animals were on the property so they decided to bring someone in from
00:41:37
the zoo with them to accompany them right but what I'm saying is if they have charged him if they have given him
00:41:44
fails and and charged him to fix things and they can't get it where they can stop him on that level well we also
00:41:54
heard a rumor that he has these guns and that'd be another way to get him in trouble and just basically I mean we've
00:42:00
see this happen with a lot of people like oh we know this guy's a drug Runner we can't get him on drug charges but we
00:42:07
can get him on taxes mhm I just wonder if it's the similar thing if he was becoming such such a nuisance if they
00:42:16
knew that these living conditions were not fit for the animals but we can't do anything but charge him some fees that
00:42:25
he's going to pay that maybe this is another Avenue to get him to get him to wake up and fix his
00:42:33
situation well let's unpack some things before we move on so first it was determined that Terry Thompson took his
00:42:39
own life after opening the cages on his property that day now second you got to wonder how could a private citizen amass
00:42:47
a collection of so many unusual and potentially dangerous animals in the first place well that is because at the
00:42:54
time there were very little law preventing that you know what laws were in place were as said very light at the
00:43:01
time of this tragic event in Ohio and a few other states a home and land owner could buy as many tigers lions and other
00:43:10
exotic animals as he or she wanted to you know as as as many as the heart desired so even if you own just like an
00:43:17
acre yeah wow yeah and and at the time they were technically under no obligation to even tell anyone that they
00:43:24
owned these animals oh that's nice now to breed exhibit or commercially transport animals across state lines you
00:43:33
did need a USDA license for that uh and this required that facilities be inspected periodically to check that
00:43:41
they met some very basic standards but other than that there were no special checks or controls now the change in
00:43:49
these laws amongst some of of the other details deemed suspicious by some have surfaced conspiracy theories regarding
00:43:57
the deaths of these magnificent animals and Terry Thompson right in the agenda of the conspiracy theories let's just
00:44:04
get this out in the open yeah what they're stating is that somebody killed him that authorities killed him that
00:44:13
this was planned by authorities and the reason why is because the laws are so loose that they wanted to tighten up the
00:44:22
laws they wanted to make it harder on individuals to own these animals and so anybody in Ohio or other states they
00:44:32
start trying to point out these like little things that don't line up saying they made this happen they made they're
00:44:39
the ones law enforcement are the ones that made this uh scare this Panic they're the ones that then you know
00:44:49
Massacre these animals and and all for for them to be able to pass uh tighter laws stricter laws yeah so the the
00:44:59
general thought is it's it's the old argument we've heard it a hundred times it happens every time there's a school
00:45:06
shooting or a mass shooting where people said suggest hey this was a scripted event that took place because we need
00:45:16
stricter gun laws right and so here we get these these laws did pass the I think it's called the dangerous animal
00:45:23
act or something like that but these laws did pass and they passed relatively quickly after this situation so then
00:45:30
people point to that and say well this was orchestrated so that these laws could go on the books now I don't want
00:45:37
to get into the finer details of of the law in these laws right but one thing I would like to point out to people that
00:45:47
make that argument is technically at one point we did have stricter animal laws but they
00:45:54
expired MH and for whatever reason the Ohio state government once they expired did not do a very good job of getting
00:46:02
them back on the books they just kind of sat there and I've been thinking about this a lot this week but I started
00:46:08
thinking about this like you know who do you blame here and who do you who do you
00:46:13
point the finger who who do you get angry with who do you lock eyes with bring them in
00:46:23
close sniff them let them know use a piece of [ __ ] who do you do that here and at some
00:46:32
point I went well it's it's the people passing the laws too though right aren't they responsible for this but then I
00:46:39
really started thinking as the week went on you have a lot of other problems to deal with oh yeah and you have millions
00:46:48
of citizens you have these you you have a lot of missing children missing people
00:46:53
you have murders happening every day you have have all these things that you have
00:46:56
to deal with how many people in the state of Ohio actually own these types of animals and out of
00:47:04
those many people how many own too many of them right and how many of them you know cuz like look if some guy in
00:47:11
Cleveland owns Five lions and he has the the land for it and he has the you know
00:47:19
how many of them are causing problems and so I I can't really put a blame on them when that has to be a low has to be
00:47:28
low on their list of priorities MH well the other thing that people like to point out too Captain is that many have
00:47:35
suggested how would he have been able to open up all these cages I mean where it's not one or two cages it was like 50
00:47:42
so many people have suggested hey he would have been attacked and killed before he could get all those Cages open
00:47:50
now we should point out if you look at pictures of his property one these cages were like in groups you know they would
00:47:58
have like I mean picture like a a grocery store where you have aisles I am going to be posting a lot of this uh a
00:48:05
lot of these pictures that we're talking about to our Instagram page go to Instagram @ True Crime garage so picture
00:48:13
this this is the way this goes down yeah I mean you could you could open up a cage walk three step steps and open up
00:48:20
another one walk Three Steps open up another one I I mean very quickly he could open up all the cages the the
00:48:27
thing that I have a problem with with people saying that um I I get their argument I get the argument of saying
00:48:33
hey man you let go all these big huge creatures and they didn't kill you before you got to the last cage I get it
00:48:41
right but the thing here is we have a guy that I mean he he did take care of these animals in some sense you know he
00:48:51
he did have some kind of relationship with these animals one and then two I mean we we've all had you know dogs or
00:48:59
cats or whatever have you ever just opened up a cage and not open the door for the animal and and notice that it it
00:49:06
takes the dog uh you know 3 minutes or so to figure out that hey I I'm free you know um so I wonder if it's that
00:49:15
situation the other thing too is we have people that has suggested well they didn't have to kill the animals well
00:49:22
well let's stay on the the cage for because a lot of people also claimed that there was chains and certain locks
00:49:30
on these doors so that would make it harder the cages are closed together but there's chains and there's locks on all
00:49:36
these doors there is no evidence of that mhm and you'll hear people talk about this there's chains on all of them so it
00:49:43
would have tooken so much longer you have no evidence of that that's just a speculation that you're making right
00:49:49
right and the thing too that I think that gets lost along the way when people look for consp iracy and and it's fair
00:49:57
that people look for a conspiracy I think because as you pointed out when something like this happens in any of
00:50:04
the cases we cover you want somebody to blame you want somebody to hold account accountable for something that you did
00:50:10
not like or didn't agree with or that was just plain wrong well right and that's the thing and and this is why uh
00:50:17
people that look into conspiracy theories get a bad rap I mean it's the idea like you take Sandy Hook you're
00:50:23
talking about one of the most most horrible tragedies in the world in the history of the world but you can watch
00:50:31
those videos where in the back of the school building it's almost like they're going
00:50:36
in a circle now I don't know what that means and I'm not saying that it's uh that
00:50:42
that Sandy Hook was a conspiracy that's not what I'm saying at all that happened
00:50:47
but what I can't make sense of is why are these individuals going in a circle in the back of the school I don't
00:50:53
understand that so that's not me calling the whole thing a hoax that's me saying
00:50:57
well what's up with that yeah what's up with that with that um but but same way here
00:51:06
if he if he is Left-Handed okay so he shoots a gun with his left hand well it seems like the
00:51:13
exit wound is coming from the left side of Thompson's head mhm so you got to put
00:51:19
the gun in and then point it that doesn't make a lot of sense it would make more sense if you f fir the gun
00:51:26
with your right hand and you put that in your mouth the exit wound would be coming out of the left side of your
00:51:32
skull mhm so I I think it's likely and this is this is tough because we're doing a a a radio show but you I'm going
00:51:41
to show you something I think it's likely that he did this that he h that he did one it was a revolver
00:51:48
and from putting the gun in the mouth right side up he put it in his mouth up side down that would be my
00:51:56
guess because the way that the autopsy reads it sounds like this is horribly graphic but the the the top back portion
00:52:04
of his head was blown off and so this is a crime show man I'm not doing this thing and 2019 I'm not doing the thing
00:52:12
where I'm apologizing if I didn't apologize I just said that it was it's a true crime show there's going to be some
00:52:19
stuff I didn't apologize I just said that it was it's graphic but the thing here is
00:52:26
okay who cares what hand he is there's gunpowder residue on him and it's not like they found it on his foot right you
00:52:33
know I I would also argue there's probably some kind of residue on his right hand and the thing that gets lost
00:52:42
in the shuffle here when people take a look at this when they glance at this you do have to do some digging to find
00:52:49
out that he kind of made a threat to his friend the night before when he said hey
00:52:54
I've got I've got a plan and you'll know it when it happens yep I mean that's a threat and obviously after all this
00:53:01
happens we know what his plan was yeah and the thing that's I mean it's it's tragic but I just don't see a situation
00:53:09
where this guy was murdered we don't have any eyewitnesses that have anybody else on the property at the time of him
00:53:16
releasing those animals right that we know of right right interesting story though
00:53:23
so I know a guy that was Sheriff here in uh Zanesville mhm and he told me that one time that they had to go to the
00:53:31
Thompson house and talk to him and there was three sheriff on one side I'm I'm probably telling this story a little
00:53:37
wrong please forgive me but there on this island there was this island in the kitchen mhm and on
00:53:46
one side of the island was Thompson on the other side of the island was the three sheriffs M and then all of a
00:53:51
sudden they could hear Claws and they know he has animals right they know that they know that he has big
00:53:58
cats they know Lions maybe Tigers they don't know everything but they know some stuff right so coming
00:54:05
down the hallway are these giant claws click you know how your dog you can hear your dog and they said right behind
00:54:13
Thompson just walks a tiger I can't remember if it was just a regular tiger tiger or if it was the
00:54:20
White Tiger right but they said this was walked right past him he didn't Flinch he didn't even look at it and it just
00:54:26
walked into another room and one of the guys uh you know drew his gun on it cuz he thought oh well yeah I'm going to
00:54:34
need this if this thing decides to pounce on me could you imagine if you're sitting there talking to him and you
00:54:41
start hearing those claw marks mhm I mean there's some things that are just hard to picture what you would do
00:54:52
mhm and that's one of them I mean I I want to know what to do well and I'm going to say some unpopular things here
00:54:59
but I've I you normally do I do want to put out my feelings or at least my thoughts let's not say feelings we'll
00:55:06
say thoughts on this whole event and how it went down look I I I do not love the
00:55:13
outcome of this situation I don't love that so many of these wonderful animals were killed um but the the thing here is
00:55:23
we have a Police Department that's responding to a situation and they had to make a call on the Fly of what to do
00:55:32
what is in the Public's best interest how do we protect the other citizens in this area and I think they had to make a
00:55:40
judgment call on the Fly again I don't love the outcome of everything but they had to protect the public there and they
00:55:49
had to put these animals down as sad as it is and the other thing too about this
00:55:54
whole situation man for all these years this is going to be very unpopular okay that I I apologize here's an apology
00:56:02
this will be our last show of the the year and the last show of our career so for years you know this happened over
00:56:10
seven years ago I've really had a pretty strong hatred for Terry Thompson and we
00:56:18
talk about when something terrible happens or something goes down you want somebody to hold accountable you want
00:56:24
somebody to hate look in the eye for their actions look me in the eye and so I've for all these years I've hated
00:56:33
Terry Thompson if you do want somebody to to hold responsible for this it's Terry Thompson it's the guy that opened
00:56:39
up the cages and killed himself but the more that I got looking into this situation and the more I got studying
00:56:45
Terry Thompson's life I'm really just kind of left feeling I'm not going to lie I I feel
00:56:52
bad for the man and and here's why okay I don't agree with getting 50 animals whether they be exotic animals or just
00:57:01
dogs and cats right one person can't take care of that many animals that that's not something I agree with but
00:57:07
but you can try to love all those dogs if you got 50 dogs you could try what I saw was a man that made a lot of bad
00:57:16
decisions but he had lots of collections he collected guns he collected cars right he this man served this country in
00:57:24
Viet and he saw some terrible stuff he was he was a gunner at the door of the uh helicopters yeah and so I don't want
00:57:33
to go into the things that he probably went through during wartime but it was very obvious to people that knew him
00:57:40
that war changed him in a bad way when he came home there was often times where he would mention things like yeah I I'm
00:57:49
not going to heaven I've I've killed too many people i' you know during war time
00:57:53
I've had to do some some bad things and what I see is more of a hoarder you know we see these situations
00:58:02
on TV where that you find some person that's like buried up uh to their neck and trash in their home because they
00:58:08
won't throw anything away yeah I think we got this guy Terry Thompson who decided one day he wanted to start
00:58:14
collecting animals and I think probably his intentions were good in the beginning I think yeah yeah I think this
00:58:21
is a psychological thing it's you know like you said with the hoarding or the collecting it's almost like something
00:58:27
happened in war and he and he has some kind of broken uh part inside him he's trying to
00:58:33
fix it by these collections by whether it's gun collections or animal collections yeah and he I mean this guy
00:58:40
he had a pilot's license at one time in his life he had a very successful business where he he was a
00:58:47
Harley-Davidson dealership that he owned for many years so he made a lot of money
00:58:52
and but what he did with his money was he collected things guns cars animals and the thing was people pointed out
00:58:59
they say hey I'd go to Terry Thompson's property I'd see all these beautiful cars from the 50s and the 60s just
00:59:06
sitting there neglected falling apart rusting right and what I think happened here was his last love might have been
00:59:15
the collection of these animals and I think at some point he just kept collecting them and collecting them and
00:59:20
he couldn't take care of them right and it was it the right to do no hell no terribly wrong he should have got out a
00:59:28
long time ago but what happened was when he got arrested on those gun charges and
00:59:32
he went away to prison everything that I could find it seems like his his uh life
00:59:38
with his wife his marriage was falling apart before he went to prison but when he went to prison she didn't visit him
00:59:45
very often they didn't have phone calls very often she he went to prison she treated it almost as if their marriage
00:59:53
didn't exist and I think what happened is Terry Thompson got out of prison after being there for a year he came
00:59:59
home and he felt like he had nothing he a man that had a lot and and now he had nothing no children no all of his things
01:00:07
were neglected the entire time he was gone and even his wife was not his anymore right and I think when he had
01:00:14
nothing I think this guy was probably suicidal for some time I think he was deeply depressed and I think that he
01:00:23
well and POS I'm just going to throw out another possibility there too I mean he
01:00:27
could have some kind of early onset dementia or you know what I mean like where he's just not completely there in
01:00:35
his head I mean that it's very possible I think the most horrible part of this entire story though I think he let the
01:00:43
animals out to punish his wife right I think he was going to kill himself anyway and I think the the letting the
01:00:51
animals out was a way to punish his wife because they were or at least spoke of them as if they were their children and
01:00:59
we've seen this in other cases that we've covered before and cases that will cover in the future sometimes the
01:01:06
husband or wife will do something terrible to the children to punish their spouse well right but let's start with
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the idea that you're you're the sum of all your actions not the sum of one action but meaning yes he served this
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country and that's a good thing he probably was a good friend to people good businessman
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fine whatever but this act this piece of [ __ ] mhm this act is a piece of [ __ ] these animals did not
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deserve to live that way they did not deserve to die that way right and um and I would I would have hated to be one of
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the sheriffs and having these animals running free and the fear that you must have I mean we all see these Majestic
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animals when you go to the zoo but it's from a distance mhm but if this was in another yard what would you feel the
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fear that you'd have to fear and a lot of these cops just it was awful and and like we said there's there has been
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rumors that the some of these cops have said mhm that that this was fun like hunting right right is it Poss possible
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that there was out of all the uh police officers involved a lot of them which Jack Hannah said a lot of them were
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crying afterwards a lot of them felt awful a lot of them said I have to go back and tell my son or my daughter I
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killed a lion I killed a tiger mhm now did one of those guys go to the bar get drunk and instead of telling the truth
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decide that he's going to make some stupid joke about it possibly but I I really do think that
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this was a a very misfortunate situation and the cops did what they had to do everybody involved as far as Jack
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Hannah and them they had to just deal with those consequences mhm because those decisions when you first hear
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about it it almost sounds like the zoo is telling the law enforcement want to do but that's not what happened they had
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to take it they had to make actions happen before they can get the advice of law enforcement mhm now as far as the
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conspiracy theory stuff goes there are some people that own animals that claim that they reached out to law enforcement
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when they heard about this saying that they could help again I don't fault the I can't
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fault the sheriff because you you're running out of time you're running out of daylight and I just don't see the
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conspiracy I think there's enough evidence that the Thompson had a lot of demons from his past stuff going on
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mentally stuff going on in that present time with his wife um and just such a tragic thing yeah and I
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think regarding law enforcement we should keep in mind they are the ones that called the zoo they are the ones
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that called in the experts from the zoo they didn't have to call anybody right they tried to get them involved the zoo
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did get involved but they were the ones that put that action into place and I think I'll leave it here for today with
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a state from one of the officers on the scene that day he said I was sick shooting these animals because they
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didn't ask to be there real quick Captain before we wrap up here today I want to mention that I
01:04:44
got a very nice email from a woman named Gina who was suggesting that we cover the jod Aras case well we actually
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it out it's on Stitcher it's a hit all right I got some recommend viewing for you if you haven't heard we have a
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famous person in the garage now we know him as the colonel the rest of the world
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knows him now as Nick from True Crime garage and uh you were on the lake er's murders Lake Eerie murders yep Lake
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Eerie murders which uh premiered last night on the ID channel yes and so you want to check it out it's three-part
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you're you're part of the three-part series about about the Amy mahalic case yes so if you haven't checked that out I
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don't know when it's playing I don't know when it's playing again but you know those those channels typically
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reair things and I'm sure you could see some of that at their website as well well now that you're a celebrity your
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pay does not increase here in the garage my friend and you know maybe next time that you're uh you're on TV maybe you
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could ask me to join you well I would have liked for you to be on but they were afraid of your
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foul mouth oh well until next week all right everybody be good be kind and don't
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