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these cases were in fact connected to each other and you go hey you kind of come up with the idea that maybe they're
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not connected if there was a connection it's probably between the Bolino case and the Evans case why did you make me
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sit through all three well people from Boorman will tell you and anybody that has studied this case on the internet
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over the years they know that you can't talk about one of these cases without discussing the other two they kind of
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come as a package deal here we got three youths that are killed in a span of just
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5 years out of an area of Ohio bardman Ohio with only roughly about 30 31,000 people so a very rare occurrence and it
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would be uh we'd be remiss if we didn't speak about all three cases again all three cases still unsolved and from what
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we've been told from police is that while they may not be connected we are still under the impression that if we
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are able to make an arrest or get information in one case it may provide information or possible leads in the
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other cases as well and all three victims deserve for there to be a spotlight on their case correct and we
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of these victims that are passing away due to time and they've not received the answer nor the justice that they deserve
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as well so we are happy to be highlighting and spotlighting these three cases for you last week and again
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this week now we are in our final episode episode and as promised we said we would get to suspects but part of
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that involves local rumor local speculation and theories so Captain which would you like to dive into first
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should we give a roundabout summary of the local theories at the time and the ones that have survived over the decades
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and then get into the suspects how would you like to do this yes let's start with
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the theories so and I'm sure you have probably heard some in addition to these ones that I'm about to bring up but the
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general theories that were going on at the time again these could pertain to one case or all of the
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cases but the local theories and rumors in the 70s and the ones that have survived till this day are that a priest
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or priests were involved in one if not more of the murders there's been a brown Van Story and other mysterious van
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stories that have lasted the the last five decades there's also of course in any of these cases we always talk about
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the old pervert Roundup so you're going to have your sexual predators and in local known uh perverts that would be
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part of any Theory there's also the quote unquote security guard Theory and I mean really there was when you have
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cases that don't have an answer we don't have an arrest they often are going to lead to
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public speculation and then let's take that a step F further no let's take it two steps further because we have three
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murders in total in five years of course there's going to be local speculation and concern and theories and a lot of
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these have again lasted for now five decades well let's start off with the security guard Theory and we know his
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name but it'll make sense why we're just going to call him security guard and that's for his own protection correct so
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I'm now going to reference Carolyn's article from porchlight online.com and she says there was a
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security guard that worked at a place near Brad's house this is where Don templeman says that he and Brad did
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spend a lot of time now it sounds like based off of her article that a lot of people in the community thought that he
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was a very good suspect in at least the Brad Bolino case and Don templeman even says that he
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suspected this man too especially very early on now so a little bit of information from that article about this
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security guard is that he liked to talk to boys uh even Brad and Dawn when they would come in he would hang out there
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and the boys you know would come in and look at these rocks and geod and whatnot
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but he would really chat up the youths while they were there he did have a criminal history
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this and at least according to one Boardman officer this security guard had a or security officer had a fascination
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with police and possibly even with younger boys or teenage boys now I read up on this guy quite a bit to say that
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he had a fascination with police is a bit of an understatement the information that I found that he would go out of his
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way to Bri to be police officers try to become buddies with them he even had a an outfit tailored for himself that very
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much looked like the local police officer uniform yeah I heard speculation that he actually applied to be a police
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officer at one point he did and not only that he was this is this is where it gets even more weird Okay so he applies
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to be a police officer I don't know what happens there why he doesn't get the job
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what have you sometimes they only need so many people on the force but what he does at some point is he tries to start
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up his own Police Department which he calls it he calls it some form and I'm not going to get into too much of the
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the details of this but he does call it like some kind of police outfit right like that's what he's advertising and
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basically what he's doing it's really when you when you boil it down it's really he's offering he would have been
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smarter to call it a security business because that's all it was was he was going around to local businesses and
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saying look this is our uniform this is what our car looks like it basically looked like a police cruiser and I've
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been trained as a police officer I've worked as a security guard for all these years I'm starting up my own police
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force and if your business pays us a monthly fee we will make sure that after hours when you your business is locked
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and closed up and and not during business hours we will come around once every hour checking the doors checking
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the windows making sure that your business is safe and secure now mind you that's not a horrible business plan
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considering it's 1970s right it's the early 70s we don't have our Simply Safe security systems we
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don't have our ADT Security Systems uh like we have them today and so if you had an area where you thought that well
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my business might be become under attack or I could I could stand to lose a good
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deal of money or property damage it might be worth it for me to hire this outfit to come around you know we do
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have a police department we have a very good one based off of the information I've seen and how they investigated both
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the Bolino case and the Evans case but that doesn't guarantee me that somebody is coming around once an hour to check
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on my business but what's idiotic about it is don't call a police department just call it a security right and and so
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I think this plan actually worked cuz from what I I heard he didn't just run security as far as the rock and gem shop
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but there was other businesses in that area that he was known to be a security officer at so multiple locations uh even
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and not being able to confirm but possibly even connected to the plaza where that's important and one of the
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reasons why this guy became a suspect was there was a security guard quote unquote not knowing if it's the same
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guy that was heavily involved in the bino case and and wanted to know information and he was a security guard
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at the plaza I believe the security guard we're talking about and the security guard at the plaza is the same
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guy that is correct and then what makes him even more interesting as far as our case
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goes is that he is referenced to the Hollywood Florida Police Department as being a potential good suspect for Adam
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Walsh's murder and I'm going to read this for you because other than this statement here I can't find good reason
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uh to to include him in the Adam Walsh story but this is legit this isn't something that the colonel wrote or that
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the captain wrote here this is from uh 1996 and the Palm Beach Post staff writers there's a couple of Staff
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writers there that did a a look back on the Adam Walsh case and one thing that they list here is potential suspects
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other than Odis tul who ultimately confesses and then there's been a debate ever since in fact if in fact he was the
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one that killed Adam Walsh but one of the suspects listed here is our quote unquote security guard
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guard that we're talking about from the Youngstown Borman Ohio area back in the 70s he's referencing this thing from
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1997 that says last August so 1996 last August so 1995 is when these reporters are saying
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Ohio police told Hollywood detectives about this security officer a prime suspect in the 1972 Ohio murder of a and
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here's where here's where you hate to see them get facts wrong of a 10-year-old uh they actually talking
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about the Bolino case and he was 12 detectives learned that the security officer was arrested in Florida in 1982
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1983 and 1985 in December of 1995 they went to Central FL to his Central Florida home
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where they believed he lives they have been unable to contact him okay so whatever sketchy Behavior he was up to
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in the Borman Ohio area in 7s ultimately leads to him moving not just out of town
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but out of state right and then they are referencing him in this Adam Walsh case
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as a potential suspect based off of what the Ohio Police Department is telling the Hollywood detectives decades later
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and this is based off of they know that sometime after the Boardman cases he moves to there's been several states
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that have been referenced as to where he may have moved to South Carolina being one of them and then of course Florida
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being one of them because we know that he has arrest according to this statement in Florida one in 1982 1 in 83
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and 1 in 85 so police were hot on him for the Bolino case and so much so that it sounds like they were warning other
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jurisdictions that had what they deemed to be somewhat similar cases that were unresolved unsolved that hey you should
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be aware that this guy is in your area he was a good suspect for us all these years ago and he was in
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your area at the time of your unsolved child homicide that you have well he was also convicted of sodomy in Ohio correct
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so he was convicted of sodomy and in that area where he was a security guard at multiple locations there was a Shack
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or a shed like a work shed he ended up sodomizing a local kid that lived in the neighborhood s to like the bino case
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then what happens is they're questioning him in the bino case and a lawyer says hey look how about you give my client a
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polygraph test if he passes this test then obviously he didn't do the bino murders you have to then drop the
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charges in the sodomy case correct so the lawyer then sets up a lie detector but it's all done underneath the the
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lawyer's supervision they use their guy and what I heard from um local sources was he passed the test and since the
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police chief which I don't know why he ever agreed to this had to then drop the sodomy charges I heard from again from
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local sources saying that once the local cops reviewed the results of the lie detector
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based on the way they give live lie detector tests that he would have failed that yeah so let's do a little followup
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here before we move on from the security officer and this is kind of a good news
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bad news scenario but that information that we were just talking about in the Adam Walsh case well that was from 1996
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so now let's fast forward over 20 years later to an article that ran in the Youngstown Vindicator the title of this
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is new DNA testing being used in effort to develop leads into 1972 murder case the body of 12-year-old Bradley Bolino
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was found in a dumpster behind the Boardman Plaza again this is from 2018 written by John Darnell Jr and this
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is some good reporting right here Captain this says more than 46 years ago from the date of this article
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12-year-old Bradley Bolino left home at noon apparently walking to the home of a
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friend Don templeman in Applewood Acres a criminal complaint obtained by the Boardman news says that about 7:30 p.m.
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on March 31st the boy failed to return home the following day Debbie Bolino notified police at about 3:20 p.m. that
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Bradley was missing 3 days later at 8:02 a.m. on April 4th employees with very Bros trash company called police saying
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they found a body in a dumpster behind the Boardman Plaza patrolman Glenn Bowers answered the call and the body
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was identified as the Bolino boy a belt from JC Penny was found strapped around his neck the strap bore teeth marks and
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body fluid not Bradley bolinos This was later discovered on the boy's pants on April 12th 1972 then
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Mahoning County coroner this is the Dr binki that we've talked about ruled B ruled Bradley bolo's death as the result
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of strangulation Dr Blinky said the interval between the onset of death and actual death was sudden death
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certificate certified by the doctor said Bolino died on April 1st 1972 around 9 p.m. little more than 24 hours after he
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was last seen 46 years later the Boardman Police Department is using new forms of DNA testing in hopes of
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developing new leads in the case the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification has already completed some tests and we
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have sent samples to a laboratory in Virginia for additional testing this is a statement by police chief Todd worth
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testing done by BCI which is the Ohio Bureau of criminal investigation or sorry Criminal
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Identification measured results against upwards of 700,000 DNA samples in a database in
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Ohio as well as against millions of DNA samples in a federal database quote we are now looking at familial DNA to see
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if we can develop a new lead in the case end quote for years the Bolino case stood dormant until 2001 when the
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Boardman Police Department Revisited the case and could not develop any new leads
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sources suggest a list of at least 20 possible suspects was developed quote only four or five of those people seem
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to stand out this according to the police captain one man who was reportedly been eliminated from the
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suspect list in the Bolino case is now said to be living in South Carolina according to court records that man was
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indicted by a Mahoning County grand jury in July of 1971 for the rape of a Boardman boy his name is given here but
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there's no reason to to give it on our podcast former Boardman PD detective Robert rup rup was one of the guys that
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worked this case for years uh if not decades he says in this article he was stunned when the indict was dismissed
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this is referencing what you talked about there captain and this is just Bizarro stuff he was stunned when the
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indictment was dismissed February of 1973 by then Mahoning County Common Police judge Clyde Osborne was the one
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that dismissed it and then we have Dave Hartsock who says our police chief at the time made a deal with the man's
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attorney that if his client passed a polygraph test then that indictment would be dismissed the polygraph test
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was conducted by Charlie Brunswick of the Youngstown Police Department according to this article and that is
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rup who is saying that in the article right but its results were disputed by another Youngstown PD officer another
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source said the polygraph had been arranged by the suspect's defense attorney who is now deceased and then we
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have the officer telling Boardman news and The Vindicator that quote totally unethical
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end quote according to the officer so yes that is that is that I mean we have that weird scenario of what you said
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where the security officer he is somebody they were very much interested in in the Brad Bolino case based off of
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the charge he had from 1971 and based off of the recent homicide of the Bolino kid and then being able to connect him
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to that Boardman Plaza area Don templeman's story of yes this was an individual that we knew that we spoke to
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that chatted us up while we were at in this rock store in this geode store and for whatever reason I guess the captain
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or or the uh Chief at the time must have believed that they were in a can't lose
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situation right that this is our Prime Suspect I'm convinced he did it there's no way in hell that he's passing a
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polygraph test sure we'll make a deal with the devil right and if you pass the polygraph I guess we'll drop this
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indictment charge now we o don't know the specifics of that sodomy charge I I do want to throw something out there
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this the detective calling it totally unethical gives us some insight obviously as to his feelings on the case
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and maybe they did have a good case in that 1971 situation but we also may have a
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situation where the prosecutor's telling the chief of police look we really don't
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have anything on this charge so you can't really lose anything if you throw it on the table and wager it against the
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results of this polygraph because if he fails this polygraph we're going to tear
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his life apart and we're going to figure out evidence in connecting him to the Bolino case and ultimately we want to
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solve the murder and and we'll figure it out as we go boom that gets all screwed
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up because someone at least convinces the judge enough that this guy passed the polygraph and he goes away he moves
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away to Florida South Carolina now in this man's defense and the reason why the captain and I have chosen not to
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name the security officer is that based off of this article and other articles that we've seen when they were working
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on this DNA it doesn't match his the DNA that they have in the Bolino case does not match the security officer does that
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completely eliminate him probably not there's a scenario there's scenarios where he could be involved and didn't
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leave his DNA on the victim right but as as far as the evidence goes they have DNA that's going to be their best
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evidence in getting an actual arrest and an actual conviction and that evidence does not lead you to this security
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officer but that security officer is still a giant pile of [ __ ] correct correct he's a horrible person and and
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it's sad that they made that deal because then a victim another victim and his family they don't get the Justice
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they should have got and just like the detective said in that article totally [Music]
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go should we get back to some of these local rumors here Captain yes sir cuz some of them I like more than others and
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I have some information prepared on some of these as with others not so much because I I went sniffing around and
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didn't find much on a couple of these but one of the local rumors that has stood the test of time was the priest
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angle that either a priest was involved in one of these cases or priests plural which is hard for me to say was were
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involved in one or more of these cases yeah supposedly there was a local Catholic priest in the area not not far
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blocks away kind of a flashy dresser also had a pretty nice car he came from money so he wasn't making that money by
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being a priest he he had that money from old family money the rumor was always that he looked at teenage boys in in a
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very odd way on that priest angle so I had a lot more information in the Evans case compared to the other cases I know
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that we referenced a story last week called 51 weeks I recommended that you go to that website and check out the
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Boardman story that that that author put together that story it tells you up front that it's a fictionalized version
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of the Borman murders case one of the theories that the author puts forward is this priest these priests that may have
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been working together been up to no good and maybe responsible for one or more of
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the murders now what I could find in the especially in the Evans case is that they didn't look at any priest the Evans
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case and the Bolino case they had if you want to call them suspects go ahead they
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had hundreds of names of individuals that they were looking at again we had people in the community that were just
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calling in going hey that guy strange go check them out you know a lot of these people came onto their radar with really
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no information or no actual evidence against them at all so if you want to call them suspects if their name appears
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in the file for somebody that the police looked at you can call them that but what I'm here to tell you is there were
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dozens and dozens and dozens of people that they had their names that they didn't have any evidence on it was just
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simply somebody called in with something and the police followed up on it out of
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of all of the names that I have been able to view and review myself none of them were priests so while you had that
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local rumor and then you have this fictionalized story that comes out all these years later that kind of continues
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that local rumor with the priest it doesn't seem like it was anything other than just rumor or an angle the captain
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referenced something more specific which could be an angle that held a little more weight in one of the cases or maybe
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the Bolino and the Evans case now I can say in David evans's case while there were no priests that were looked at
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there was certainly a pastor that they looked at quite heavily they spent a lot of time and a lot of resources on this
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Lutheran pastor and the reason why they did so was this was a man that really kind of injected himself into not
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necessarily the investigation you know we talk about that so many times with serial killers and these other cases
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that are out there that these offenders when police have no lead they might inject themselves into the investigation
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this guy injected himself into the Evans Family where he was trying to make a connection with David evans's father and
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the way that this works out is that the person he worked for and I I don't know the I don't want to go through the rank
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of pastors and Priests and things like that because it's something I don't know nor understand but the pastor that he
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worked for this guy was more of like an assistant pastor at the time that individual was the one that oversaw the
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funeral services for David Evans this assistant pastor makes his presence at the funeral services but he's not
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required to be there and then days later he writes this rather lengthy letter to David evans's father
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telling him you know how bad he feels and how he felt some weird connection to the Evans boy and how he followed the
00:33:26
case the newspaper before he was found and then he was just heartbroken after he was found and he goes on and on and
00:33:33
on would it be totally out of character for a priest or a pastor or somebody from a church to approach or right to a
00:33:44
family that has just gone through the most horrific life experience that you could imagine losing your child at the
00:33:53
age of 12 or 13 and reach out and say hey I'm think thinking of you I'm praying for you right I I I think your
00:34:00
boy was something special and that the world is a lesser place because he's no longer in the world we talked about
00:34:07
David evans's difficulties that he had some of his physical difficulties that he had that he was overcoming the kid
00:34:13
was an inspiration would it be totally out of character for a pastor to say look you might be in a very dark place
00:34:20
right now I'm letting you know that when you are ready you have a home here or you have someone you can talk to here
00:34:27
maybe the healing can begin here maybe we can help with that absolutely not I'm surprised it doesn't happen in every one
00:34:35
of these cases that we have reviewed so on that end I applaud the pastor however
00:34:42
some of the police and some of the detectives were weirded out by this guy enough that they did a pretty thorough
00:34:48
investigation on him I will say this though Captain one thing that I found bizarre in having read that letter that
00:34:54
he gave to De David evans's father father is the lipstick he put on it no the I just assume that would be part of
00:35:01
it right doesn't that come with every letter and the perfume he sprayed on the letter he references a check or some
00:35:08
kind of money that he gave to the Evans family and again could just be somebody that's willing to help that kind of
00:35:15
seemed a little out of character for for a pastor or a priest I thought but no I
00:35:20
don't think that's odd because what they might have done is at like a Wednesday service or maybe even a Sunday service
00:35:26
they they take up a collection for the family that that's not too odd to me so what they do is Boardman PD they're so
00:35:35
off-put by this letter or maybe not off-put just doing their due diligence and taking it the extra step and being
00:35:41
very thorough with their investigation they send this letter off to an expert and say hey we can't make heads or tails
00:35:49
of this what do you make of it and so it takes days if not weeks for them to get
00:35:55
back the expert analysis of the letter and unfortunately the expert analysis is exactly what you would have come up with
00:36:04
Captain and what I would have come up with where you read this letter and go well on one hand I can see this guy's
00:36:09
just trying to be helpful and on the other hand I can maybe there's something bigger here maybe there's some something
00:36:15
evil lurking behind all these kind words yeah the problem with text anytime is that you don't get to hear tone you
00:36:22
don't get to hear the tamber of the voice and that's exactly what the the analysis was the result was hey this
00:36:32
guy could just be very nice and welcoming you to his church and to his Parish or there's something hidden in
00:36:40
all these nice words we can't really tell so the the uh the expert analysis doesn't really provide much in my
00:36:48
opinion that that any of us else wouldn't have come up with but again it's being thorough and it's looking
00:36:54
into all the different angles in the these cases and I want that statement that statement should Echo what we were
00:37:01
saying last week yes these cases are unsolved yes it's been a long time but I do not think for a second that it's
00:37:08
because of a lack of effort on Boardman Police Department's behalf and I say that too because we now know based off
00:37:17
of 2001 they were looking into the Bolino case again based off of that article we know that they have DNA that
00:37:23
is not the victim's DNA in the Bolino case that's suspect DNA they are actively comparing that to local state
00:37:33
and federal databases they've not found a match we're now working the familial angle with the DNA and hoping to come up
00:37:41
and find our suspect in the Bolino case using that new method and technology so that's many local rumors but that's not
00:37:49
even the end of it no it's not so there's one and this is kind of called the old Bob story so law enforcement
00:37:58
discussed other rumors of men in town that people called police to report as possible suspects there was a quote Old
00:38:06
Bob who lived near Applewood Acres on the corner of Matthews Road in Glenn Ridge who kept cases of beer and
00:38:13
marijuana that he'd give to young boys in the neighborhood in return for sexual favors he was arrested a few times he is
00:38:22
now since passed away but he was a local suspect at the time but the police go on
00:38:29
to say in Carolyn's article quote there were a lot of those types of things out there and quote there was a
00:38:36
projectionist at the theater in the bardman plaza near isley's Dairy that chased around young boys there was a
00:38:44
pizza shop in at Southern Boulevard in Indianola where a man worked and tried to trade pizza for sexual favors that
00:38:52
better be some damn good pizza and as far as the brown van that we talked about right Don templeman remembers a
00:39:01
brown van this is Brad's best friend a brown van following him and Brad around the day that Brad later disappeared law
00:39:09
enforcement said that there were hundreds of vehicles people reported in connection to Brad's murder not just the
00:39:16
brown van they go out of their way to reference an orange Corvette I had seen an orange Charger referenced in a couple
00:39:25
of things as well as other dark colored Vans and a red Ford truck I mean there's
00:39:32
just no end to the amount of vehicles that were listed in the Bolino case of possible vehicles of Interest the police
00:39:41
are saying none of those tips led to anything but dead ends but again A lot of times they're not getting the best of
00:39:48
information right they're not saying hey I saw the I saw the captain driving his
00:39:52
uh Psychobilly Cadillac down the road and here's the license plate no they're they're not getting that they're getting
00:39:58
I saw a guy driving a brown van or I saw a a mysterious or strange or an odd red
00:40:07
truck you know and so there's not a whole lot you can do with that other than catalog that information and then
00:40:14
later when you're reviewing your suspects do your suspects have any ties to vehicles that match those
00:40:19
descriptions right and and again cross reference some of these rumors because back to the the priest like we said he
00:40:27
was known to be a flashy dresser and drive a nice car now what somebody's definition of a nice car it varies so
00:40:37
did he have some sports car did he have a orange Charger did he have a orange Corvette possibly but that brown van I
00:40:46
think is also connected to those local rumors of that Treehouse that I was telling you about yeah and the thing
00:40:53
that's scary about the brown van is Don templeman's own work who he says look I've always been and will remain to be
00:41:00
suspicious of that brown van to this very day and he says you know I I remember this van passing us three or
00:41:08
four times and he said that he can't help but Wonder All These Years Later did Brad leave his home and was he then
00:41:16
again followed now he's by himself followed Again by this brown van whoever's in the brown van however many
00:41:23
people we don't know they wait for him to get to dark spot or a spot where they don't think anybody's going to see
00:41:28
anything go down and they either offer him a ride or grab him and pull him into the van what we know about Bradley is
00:41:35
that he would accept rides so if that's connected to the Treehouse if it's connected to this guy that would offer
00:41:43
money and other things for sexual favors that kind of goes with my theory of what
00:41:47
I believe happened to to Bradley and that will bring us to yet another suspect and I feel fine naming this
00:41:56
individual and it will become clear why here shortly but this is actually from a
00:42:01
Youngstown Vindicator article from January 20th 1975 so what's going on at that time well we already have the two
00:42:08
homicides that took place years earlier but during this time frame David Evans is missing he his body has not been
00:42:17
found yet it won't be found until the 23rd this article comes out on Jan January 20th so we can make the
00:42:24
assumption that all of the information in this article if it's not dated it was from the 19th or prior to that so the
00:42:33
article reads May link suspect to two boys deaths and as you will hear here that they are still trying to parse out
00:42:42
and trying to decipher if we have a situation where uh some of these deaths and murders are connected so the article
00:42:50
reads Boardman and Stow Police are attempting to link the death of a 14-year-old old akan boy whose skeleton
00:42:58
was found in Stow Ohio on November 15th with the brutal death of Bradley Bolino aged 12 whose body was found April 4th
00:43:08
1972 the connection may be a Kent man who is being held in lie of bond in Summit County for kidnapping a
00:43:16
13-year-old akan boy there assaulting him at the Barnett's Motel on November 2nd and then assault ing him again in
00:43:27
mil Creek Park on November 3rd and stabbing him the Bolino youth had been sexually assaulted and strangled he had
00:43:35
been missing from home 5 days and then they say found in the woods detective Robert Brisbane of the Stow Police
00:43:44
Department said this morning the body of the akran lad was found in a wooded area
00:43:50
in the city's Southeast section there was no sign of clothing on the boy and identific ation had to be made through
00:43:57
dental records Brisbane said homicide has not been ruled in the akan death however quote we're treating the
00:44:05
investigation like a homicide end quote detective Steve bog of the Boardman police said the two departments began
00:44:15
attempting to make the link about a week ago but were interrupted with The Disappearance of another young boy David
00:44:23
Evans diabetic son of Mr and Mrs Peter Evans was last seen walking home Friday Brisbane said the Kent man was given a
00:44:32
polygraph test but it proved inconclusive he said their investigation is continuing and the Kent man who may
00:44:39
have Boardman ties still is quote a suspect this next part of the article is titled in custody by November 5th
00:44:47
authorities have ruled out the suspect in the Evans incident since he has been in custody since November 5th after the
00:44:55
mil Creek Park Incident the body of Bolino the body of the Bolino lad was found in
00:45:02
1972 when a refuge pickup man went to the rear of the Isley Dairy Store to pick up the dumpster a belt was drawn
00:45:10
around his neck and his clothing disarrayed so his upper torso was partially bare and his trousers below
00:45:17
his hips the individual they are referencing in this article is clearly a very dangerous individual and somebody
00:45:26
that they already had in custody by November 5th so they're going out of their way to let us know there's no way
00:45:32
that this person if responsible for Bradley bolo's murder he could not have been involved in the David Evans murder
00:45:38
because we already had him locked up at the time that Evans went missing right well essentially if you look at the the
00:45:45
beard case the Bolino case and the Evans case you could take a character like this somebody that was from a
00:45:52
neighboring area that maybe would go to a smaller area to drive drive around and
00:45:57
look for victims you could make an argument in the beard case that maybe he wasn't there wasn't some confrontation
00:46:05
from somebody at the skating rink that somebody tried to abduct him and he didn't go willingly and that's what
00:46:11
ultimately caused his death but a character like this could be responsible for all three murders so the individual
00:46:18
that we are discussing is a man named Richard Lawler now he is an interesting one and I think that not only do we have
00:46:26
the police at the time back in 1975 saying look we were investigating Lawler for a possible connection to the Bradley
00:46:35
Bolino case all these years later when you review his known crimes and then apply the suspected crimes that he may
00:46:42
or may not have been involved in to that he certainly becomes an excellent suspect because we know he was active at
00:46:50
the time of bolo's murder so I'll read a little bit from cleveland.com to tell you who this Richard Lawler is
00:46:58
and thankfully he's in prison and he still remains there to this day it says Lawler string of crimes began in
00:47:04
November of 1974 or known string of crimes began in November of 1974 this when he was 21 years old he abducted a
00:47:14
13-year-old boy in akan and took him to a Salem Motel So you you're going to hear some of the things that were
00:47:21
referenced in that last article that we reviewed in this newer article and it says they're offering more detail
00:47:28
here and I apologize for these details but it says at that Motel he tied the boy up and stabbed him several
00:47:38
times it actually says it he later tied him to a tree and stabbed him and cut the child several times the boy was
00:47:45
still naked at the time a passing jogger in the park ended up scaring the attacker away ended up scaring Lawler
00:47:55
away I am of the firm belief captain that Lawler would have murdered this kid had he not been interrupted Lawler then
00:48:04
struck again in September of 1975 this time he this time he abducted a seven-year-old victim from Akin's
00:48:10
Kenmore area and took the boy to the woods behind the akan Baptist Temple the victim who is now 50 years old this
00:48:18
article is a couple years old sent a letter to the police to the I'm are the prosecutor's office describing what
00:48:28
happened he told prosecutors that Lawler asked him to help find his lost puppy Lawler then lowed the boy into the woods
00:48:36
where he punched the child in the face knocked him unconscious stripped his clothes and was shouting that it was the
00:48:43
boy's fault for whatever Lawler was doing to him and that he would have to kill him Lawler then choked him
00:48:50
unconscious again and left him in the woods for dead now what we have here Captain is these are a couple of attacks
00:48:58
that this man he was very much a young man at the time in the mid-70s these are some attacks that he committed and the
00:49:06
victims Got Away now if if I say if I would encourage all of you to go to block parole.com it's a website that
00:49:17
we've referenced before here in the garage block parole.com where you can sign up and sign the petition to uh
00:49:25
encourage the state of Ohio to block individuals parole and specifically I would recommend that you sign up to
00:49:33
block Richard Lawler's potential parole my understanding is that uh the last time he came up for possible parole he
00:49:42
was denied and his next hearing I believe or possibility will be 2028 don't quote me on that I don't have it
00:49:51
in my notes but at the end of the day what we learn about this this individual is he he has killed he has killed a a
00:49:59
young boy that would fall into very similar victimology to some of the boys that we've been talking about in the
00:50:05
Boardman case we know he was active in the Youngstown area at the time with abduction with rape sexual assaults
00:50:13
murder what have you and again the victimology seems to line up with that of the Evans boy and the Bolino kid and
00:50:22
so he is someone that I think is an interesting potential suspect we do have prosecutors that were at his uh parole
00:50:31
hearing that did tell everyone hey this guy after we locked him up for one murder and for all these other assaults
00:50:39
that he did he told law enforcement that he has killed five or six other kids now
00:50:46
we don't know if that's true obviously or they would have convicted him of those cases he told law enforcement that
00:50:53
this was not his only murder victim and again we know he was active in this general area around this General time so
00:51:00
I think he falls into a good suspect and double down that we know he was looked at in
00:51:06
1975 for the Bolino murder so he was somebody that was on their radar and luckily for all of us he's been locked
00:51:15
up ever since well you have to take his claim serious and the reason why is what
00:51:19
we've learned through the last 500 and some episodes is normally serial killers are not going to admit to Child Murders
00:51:28
now you got this guy that you locked up and you convicted on a child murder and he's telling you hey I've I've killed
00:51:33
more children yeah and one thing I don't want to add more scary elements to already a scary story here but pictures
00:51:41
of Richard Lawler from the mid 70s when we have these pictures because he was in
00:51:47
court facing these charges his picture was taken by the papers at the time and of course when he was arrested as well
00:51:54
he is a young looking dude and I know that he's 21 22 24 in all the pictures that I've
00:52:01
reviewed he is a youngl looking dude and what I mean by that and why I think that's scary especially in the Bolino
00:52:08
case where we have a kid that was known to hitchhike again that's just my theory
00:52:13
we don't know that that's what happened but we have a kid that was known to hitchhike admittedly by his parents and
00:52:18
friends if a guy pulled up and he looked like a teenager offered somebody a ride
00:52:23
I think that I think that lets your guard down a little bit it's less threatening yeah look up pictures of
00:52:28
Richard Lawler go you don't have to go to block parole.com sign that petition you'll see pictures of him there and
00:52:35
block his parole and I tell you what if this guy pulled up even if he was 23 24 at the time he could have passed for 16
00:52:43
or 17 even behind the wheel of a vehicle offering a ride to somebody else another
00:52:49
suspect where his known crimes are similar and that kind of characteristic his his profile that that kind of person
00:52:56
could be responsible for all three murders let's get into another suspect well yeah we're going to go from one
00:53:02
really scary terrible horrible person to just another demon that happened to be roaming this country and this is a man
00:53:11
named Wayne Chapman now some of our true crime friends out there will know this name others this might be a newer name
00:53:19
to you but this guy is a Serial child sex offender okay this is an individual that committed sexual acts against
00:53:28
children time and time again repeatedly throughout the course of his almost entire lifespan he started assaulting
00:53:38
other kids when he was just a kid himself and it carried on well into his adult years and I believe if he wasn't
00:53:45
locked up he was looking to assault children was he a murderer that's certainly up for a debate but this is an
00:53:54
individual that was highly involved in in producing child pornography and selling it to other
00:54:02
individuals he was also he was also busying his time trying to lure children away and he was he had a preference he
00:54:10
had a preference for boys and as far as I could see all of his known crimes were
00:54:15
against boys now he was an individual that was locked up for a decent amount of time he does get charged at some
00:54:23
point and the reason why he pops on the radar is based off of again proximity to
00:54:29
Borman Ohio and also his admitted information that he gives to police what we have here Captain is a situation he's
00:54:40
driving he had this van and I don't want to give a description of this van because I've been given a few different
00:54:46
descriptions of this van and supposedly he used the same van for years and years
00:54:51
and years and I don't want to throw it out there not knowing which one is more accurate it uh I have two kind of
00:54:56
different descriptions of this van but what I do know is that at some point he's pulled over and when he's pulled
00:55:03
over the police officer notices a bunch of strange pictures inside this man's van and these are pictures of him with
00:55:14
boys and these are there are dozens of these pictures well again #b thean and I believe it's also possibly other
00:55:22
individuals whose faces were not so he ran around in these Rings these child perpetrator horrible offenders he ran
00:55:31
around with some other guys that were into the same things that he was into and so when they arrested him they ended
00:55:38
up charging him with a local crime and this took place in another state when they arrested him however when they find
00:55:44
all these dozens and dozens of pictures they're going how many horrible things has this guy been involved in and when
00:55:50
they start talking to him they're like you know we want to know where you've been what you've been up to uh
00:55:56
especially since you've been an adult because I believe he was kind of a a younger adult at the time maybe 30s when
00:56:02
he got arrested again this case is so big and there's so many notes I'm I'm failing to find the the piece of
00:56:09
information that I wanted to be able to spout here for you but well don't worry your pay will be deducted thank you and
00:56:15
I know that he has ties to many other states we're talking Rhode Island New York Pennsylvania possibly Illinois I
00:56:27
mean it's Ohio it's all over the map now what I did was I ended up hearing this individual his name is uh David McGrath
00:56:36
and he wrote a book on Wayne Chapman some of you may know Wayne Chapman's name from David's book some of you may
00:56:45
know Wayne Chapman's name from there was a an old case and an old documentary I believe it was called have you seen Andy
00:56:56
and it's about an old disappearance case of a 10-year-old boy from Lawrence who disappeared Without a Trace
00:57:05
in 1976 the victim's name is Andy Pugi so some of you may have seen that documentary I believe it's probably
00:57:13
about 15 years old at this point but it's a very good documentary I recommend it the documentary claims that Wayne
00:57:22
Chapman is the prime suspect in the disappearance of this Andy kid and it's I say claims because there are police
00:57:30
that say yes he's somebody we would look at or did look at but we don't really know how he came onto our radar so I
00:57:36
don't know how Prime of a suspect he actually is but the documentarian did a great job on piecing together Andy story
00:57:45
as well as possible connections to Wayne Chapman and then you have David's book monster the life and crimes of Wayne
00:57:53
Chapman he goes on to explain again why this guy's a good suspect in this CA in in this case in this crime and how he
00:58:02
could be tied to others I spoke with David David told me that around the time period of these Boardman murders that
00:58:11
Wayne Chapman lived in Oil City Pennsylvania Oil City Pennsylvania is in Western Pennsylvania bman Ohio is in
00:58:19
eastern Ohio for those of you that own a map you will know that the Ohio State touches the border of
00:58:26
Pennsylvania and so the proximity between Oil City and Borman Ohio it's not a terribly big distance and the
00:58:34
other thing too well hold on let me unfold my map real quick the other thing too is David points out that Chapman had
00:58:42
a lot of ties not just based off of that statement that he provided to police when he was arrested that hey I've been
00:58:48
to all these other cities and I've lived and stayed for a period of time in some
00:58:52
of these other cities and other states but David points out in his book that this guy ran around with guys that were
00:59:00
in other states that were doing things that that he was doing as well as probably some things that were even
00:59:08
worse if you can imagine even worse than what Wayne Chapman was doing or was capable of and that he believes that
00:59:15
it's through him creating and producing this child pornography and then selling it to people that he made these
00:59:23
connections in these friendships and so who knows how far and how wide the evil tentacles of
00:59:33
this Wayne Chapman monster would span over the course of time and distance again another good
00:59:41
suspect it's it's the profile of the person and and and initially I think law enforcement when these crimes happen
00:59:48
they start looking at people that that they've already arrested we've seen this in the deli case we've seen this in the
00:59:54
Amy mahalic or or John Ramsey when there's crimes against children they start looking at who has already
01:00:01
committed crimes and who can fit that profile initially and there's a lot of suspects that you could again make a
01:00:10
very intelligent argument that could be responsible for all these as long as they were not arrested at the time
01:00:17
obviously and I'll tell you what I actually located some of my notes while you were speaking there Captain Chapman
01:00:23
was arrested in New York York state in 1976 and it was after that arrest shortly after that arrest that he
01:00:30
admitted to sexually assaulting at least 15 boys and he put those ages between 7
01:00:36
and 10 and from locations of Providence Brockton Webster uh Concord Norwich and then in communities in
01:00:47
Pennsylvania New York and Virginia I mean the list goes on and on and on this case becomes complex because there are
01:00:53
three cases and then the first question is are they connected but I I think we should just we we probably could talk
01:01:00
about this case for another few hours Let's Go Case by case and and and go over what you think happened so let's
01:01:08
start with the beard case so with the Thomas beard case I think that it's probably just what police have told us
01:01:15
that that they they've locked into this Theory over the years that he was attacked by a peer or his peers and that
01:01:24
it was probably an unintentional homicide that he was killed as a result of that attack and as we said earlier
01:01:32
he's found later found and then placed in the hospital I actually if you know if I had to make Wagers on these cases I
01:01:41
actually think that probably all three of them are not connected if there is a connection it would be between the
01:01:46
Bolino and Evans case I'm kind of locked in on my thought that Bolino probably accepted a ride or was even looking for
01:01:55
a ride on his way home and he just got in the wrong vehicle and don't don't anybody come at me and say I'm victim
01:02:03
blaming here um I'm just saying that that's what I think happened and I don't think that he put himself in a bad
01:02:08
position I think that that's just unfortunately what happened maybe somebody like Richard Lawler picked him
01:02:14
up or somebody like Wayne Chapman or one of Chapman's goon friends picked them up
01:02:20
or it could be any other weirdo I I I see a sadistic nature to the Bolino case where I would believe that a Richard
01:02:31
Lawler type would be more likely to have committed that crime the Evans case is is very difficult for me to put an
01:02:39
opinion on other than the fact that I believe 100% that this kid was abducted based off of the Hat being stomped into
01:02:46
the ground the location in which he was last seen in the time frame I really believe that somebody grabbed him
01:02:53
there's a chance that given the neighborhood and in the lay of the land that it would be it would be better
01:03:00
suited and more likely that two individuals were involved in the Abduction of David Evans now were they
01:03:06
of the sadistic nature that the the killer was of Brad Bolino I don't know we because he gets sick at some point
01:03:15
and then he dies he slips into this coma at some point and dies so we don't know
01:03:20
it's really too hard to and too difficult to decipher what would have happened if that had not happened would
01:03:26
they have let him go or would there be no sexual assault at all it's very difficult to say what took place in that
01:03:33
situation my gut with the Evans thing tells me that someone or some ones may have bit off more than they
01:03:41
could chew right that they took they took this kid and maybe they took him for reasons other than murder and I
01:03:47
really wish I just really wish that this would have been ruled a homicide I know
01:03:52
that the Boardman Police Department treated the investigation as such but I really wish that this would have been
01:03:58
ruled a homicide I'll start with the beard case I agree with you it's probably an individual or multiple
01:04:04
individuals my problem with it is that if there's multiple individuals they're more likely to have more rumors maybe
01:04:12
somebody confesses to being there but not being really a part of it I believe somebody heard something whether that's
01:04:19
a rumor or a confession maybe you're drinking with your friend one night and he confesses to be there somebody has
01:04:25
heard something somebody has seen something and if you saw something you should be saying something enough you
01:04:31
know enough is enough do not protect these people whether you think it was an accident or not uh or or a situation
01:04:40
that just got out of hand this child died didn't get to pursue a life one victim becomes many victims because of
01:04:49
his family friends and all of his loved ones so again I think some somebody saw something they need to say something as
01:04:57
far as the bino case goes I think Don's got feeling about this brown van is correct and if that brown van is
01:05:05
connected to the Treehouse and those rumors I think that makes some sense older gentlemen or maybe even uh uh late
01:05:13
teens offers some booze offers some money offers whatever for sexual favors it gets out of hand again a
01:05:21
12-year-old can't consent that is rape this person is rapist this person is murderer I think another situation where
01:05:29
somebody probably knows more and they just haven't ever spoke up about it maybe out of fear maybe out of shame
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maybe they were a person that did sexual favors for money or drugs or whatever and and they're not coming forward
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because of the shame again I think somebody knows something more I think we're going to be lucky in this case
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because of the DNA and by the testing that I think we're going to get answers in this case and 100% agree with you on
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the Evans case I think the the intent probably was rape and murder and they just never got to that because of his
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medical condition but but it's sad and again there's three kids that didn't get to go on in and create a future and who
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knows what they would have become and I feel very bad espec in the bino case because there's misinformation I think
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mhm and some kind of confusion and that might just because time passed and people
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misremember but that has to be very difficult on his family because of there's three cases within a small
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location similar profiles as far as victimology there's a lot of good suspects I think those individuals that
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we mentioned are probably responsible for a lot more crimes especially when you're a young boy and you're
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molested there there's a a shame and the the reason why a lot of these boys don't
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come forward and if you were one of these kids you shouldn't be ashamed of this is not your fault that any of this
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stuff would have happened to you and and hopefully you can seek out you know Justice or seek out therapy to to get
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you through all that but I mean it's a yes and with the Bolino case I I really firmly believe captain that the the
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discrepancy in the stories only really remains in the Public's mind I think that there's Clarity amongst the
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detectives and officers that invest investigated the Bolino case in the 70s that remains with them and in their file
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I think they have a pretty clear understanding of what happened that Friday and that Saturday they just don't
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need to tell us all that information because again that case is heating up again 20 8 they tell us hey we're
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checking familial DNA and it appears that that's continuing to this day so they don't want to let a lot of that
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information out so I'm very hopeful on that end I'm glad that you brought up the van the Don templeman Van story
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again because one thing that I failed to mention with this Wayne Chapman character and we mentioned his van but I
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didn't give a description of such the description of of his van is not terribly unlike the description the very
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vague broad description that Don templeman provided to police and the media back then and what's interesting
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about that angle to me is that I've been told a couple different things one that
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Chapman Chapman was fully on Boardman PD's radar at some point in the 70s or the 80s at some point it's hard for me
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to say exactly when he became or or was on their radar but I was told two different reasons why he was on their
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radar one was simply that they were calling other jurisdictions and trying to find crimes that they thought were
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matching the ones that they were unable to solve in Boardman the other version of that same story is that
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Chapman was on their radar because his van or a description that's very similar to the van that he was later arrested in
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was mentioned in the Bolino and possibly the Evans case so that's really interesting there on that angle
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I'm with you Captain I I think that we we have similar thoughts and theories on this I'm hoping others will provide
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Theirs to us on the blog at true Crim garage.com if you have any information at all and any of these three homicides
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please contact the Boardman Police Department their phone number is 330 726 4144 and I just want to give a quick
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shout out because like I said by covering this case last week the information that has poured in I I just
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want to thank those people for reaching out those local sources and people like Caroline Bernardino and Tom carrian for
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reaching out and and being able to discuss the case in more details and I just want to applaud them for their
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effort to keep uh a spotlight on this [Music] case [Music] thank you so much for joining us here in
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recommending Monster by David McGrath so this this is called Monster the life and
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crimes of Wayne Chapman and the Machine he fed in the 1970s young boys went missing at an alarming rate in the New
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England region parents and police were stumped by all of the cases of missing boys while David McGrath he spent years
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investigating Wayne Chapman and Wayne Chapman's friends in the circles that he ran in and I highly recommend that you
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