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Welcome, welcome, welcome. Schmelcome. Thanks for welcoming me. Welcome, schmelcome.
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rainy and gray and foggy today. Like Are you hungover from your birthday week? Uh I'm not hungover from my birthday
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week. I'm I'm I'm hungover from life. I have a cold and then I have like some guys that I watch NFL football with on
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Sundays and I said I wasn't going to go hang out with them. But I I worked my butt off yesterday
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morning. So, if you look at me and you see a man with no ass, that's why. I worked it off. But
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So, even though I had the cold, I rewarded myself. I was like, "I'm going to go have a beer with these guys that I
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watch football with." And then that turned into just a sloppy drunk everybody doing shots,
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screaming at the TV. You would have thought we were You would have thought we were
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Indianapolis Colts fans. That was a fun game to watch yesterday and they ended up not pulling it out at the end, but
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I didn't do any of I didn't You didn't do anything like that? do much footballing this this weekend.
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But I did get into this really weird rabbit hole last night, which it was like it was time to go to bed and then
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I'm falling into this rabbit hole and everybody's been there. It's like there's that meme that's like, you know,
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I need to get to sleep and then the picture is you at 4:00 a.m. trying to solve the JonBenét Ramsey case.
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What pulled you into the rabbit hole? The computer, the phone, the tablet, or the TV? Those are the four like those
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You know, if it's not a book for me, those are one of the four that's going to suck me in. Like I'll put something
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on and I'm like, I'm just going to put this on while I doze off. And then next thing I know I'm like, wow, this is
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the top of my head just flew off because this is amazing stuff. Okay, so I'm a cinephile, right?
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Right. I love movies, but A habitual cinephile. Right, you habitual. You're one You're a real habitual cinephile.
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Um No, I Okay. Uh Okay, side note. So you probably don't know who these people are. I don't really know who they are,
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but it's a developing story and I think it's going to it's going to be interesting depending
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on how it comes out, but there's these YouTube sensations, Jake Paul and Logan Paul.
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Oh, the Paul brothers. And somebody in the last week, a group of people hacked their father's accounts
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and started posting pornographic videos of him onto YouTube. Mhm. And they um it was just as a joke, these
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hackers that wanted to see if they could hack this guy. He then makes a video saying, "Hey, come
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work for me. I'll pay you." Right? So they contact him and it's basically just, you know, he's he's doing anything
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he can to try to get these videos back. Um and then they released a message to the
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FBI saying that they believed that they had um uh evidence that some of the girls that
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he was in these videos with or pictures with were underage. And they wanted to give the information
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to the FBI. So this is um Non-consenting Non-consensual sex and underage people?
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no. All the sex is consensual, but it doesn't matter if you're underage. Right, you don't have if you're of a
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certain age, you don't you can't consent. Right. And I always think uh what's funny is
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that I don't know much about these guys. I don't watch their videos. Their demographic is basically 8-year-olds.
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Um they do have proof of him going into 16-year-olds, 15-year-olds, you know, they're direct messaging them
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saying, "Do you want to come out and meet my sons?" That's weird enough. Uh but so it's kind of interesting
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So it's the Paul guys' father Mhm. that they think might be guilty of well, rape.
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Basically. Yeah, I think it's more I think it's more along the lines of this guy possibly is a pedophile.
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Right. Um now that's just the allegations that they're making. And they basically said they had proof.
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And so I was what for whatever reason this was in my YouTube Tube uh you know, suggested videos. And I'm
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going Who the hell am I that they would suggest this? I've never watched a Jake Paul video or
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a Logan Paul video. I did find it super fascinating when they decided to box. Uh being a boxing fan and
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and I think maybe that's how it was suggested to me because I was actually watching a lot of stuff about
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the fight that's going to happen in October 8th with Conor McGregor and Khabib Magomedov, which I probably did
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not say his name correctly, but I'm into that fight 100%. So I don't know if because I was watching videos on that,
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then that's why these Logan Paul, Jake Paul thing. But it was basically hacker hacks into their father's accounts and
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and he's exposed. And I was like, let's see what this is all about. Right. And uh the videos I watched that were
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breaking it down didn't show any of the actual clips. Right. Um but one of the one of the videos that I watched that I
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thought was super interesting was like it was just a YouTuber that was interviewing the hackers.
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And it was just so interesting because they're like, "Yeah, it was all fun and games until we got to the point that we
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thought we saw enough proof." Are the are the are the hackers still like trying to be anonymous or they or
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have they received some kind of notoriety for Well, I mean they're breaking the story essentially.
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I mean people are going to be following them more on social media. Okay. So, I mean they are getting something
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out of it. Um but again, you know, you're being offered jobs by the guy that you
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hacked his account. Mhm. Um it's just I mean one, that's silly anyways. Right. Um and this guy people have been saying
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this guy's creepy for a while, but I my issue with Jake Paul and Logan Paul would always
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be, which again, I never watched a video, so I don't I couldn't even tell you what their videos are about. Um
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but I think if your core audience is 8 years old and you're making millions of dollars off of 8-year-olds and
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10-year-olds, then maybe you should think that you have some kind of responsibility to actually put out
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a little bit more positive content or or age-appropriate content. Is that what we mean? Cuz didn't they come under fire
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for some kind of suicide thing? Wasn't there some some Yeah, he went um on a trip. There's like
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a suicide bridge or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and he Well, there's a uh suicide forest somewhere in in Japan,
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I believe. And it's like the the number of people that have committed suicide there, it's it's staggering. Like it's
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crazy. Like Right. So, he just went there to see it and he they filmed their whole life. And
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there was somebody that just recently committed suicide. Well, the problem is when you film that
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um knowing that it's going to go out to a bunch of 8-year-olds and then the on top
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of that to make fun of it. I mean, there was They stumbled upon a body, you think?
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Like No, I don't think they did. I mean, they videotaped it. No, I know that, but you said you never
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watched any of their Well, I mean shows. So Well, I've heard about that one because
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Okay. cuz they basically took him off of YouTube and then he had to apologize and
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then he had to actually make a I don't know if he had to, but he made a whole suicide
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awareness video, which is actually the most watched suicide can't you know, suicide prevention campaign in the
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history. So, they were able to turn it into some kind of good thing, but Yeah, but the my
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This is what I believe. I think you you need to know why you're doing something um and not for, you know, you can't be
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just, "Oh, I'm doing this for money." You should try to be doing something and have some kind of positive light
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that you're giving to the world. Right. And I think if that's your mission and that stage your mission, whether you
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make $25,000 a year you make a couple million dollars a year that as long as your mission stays
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positive, then I think a lot of good things come to you in the universe. You got these guys that are making
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millions of dollars that don't seem to really give a [ __ ] and don't really care
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to put in quality work and to try to put positivity into the world. This is what comes to you. You have
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people that hack your accounts and try to find your dirty laundry and guess what? There's dirty laundry there.
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Mhm. I mean, if you hacked my father's AOL account, one, I don't think he has one,
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but if he if he had one, he's not going to have anything remotely close to this.
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So, I think it's just, you know, it's the universe that takes a while, but I think the universe corrects itself.
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Well, and then that's two guys that have been given a great amount of uh notoriety, fame, and fortune for things
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that they do, but they what they failed to realize is it along with that, they've been
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given great responsibility that they don't seem to have taken on. They've accepted the fame and the fortune.
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They've not accepted the responsibility. It's pretty I mean, you and I are not the smartest guys in the We're not the
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sharpest tools in the shed, as they would say, but we understand the sharpest tools in the garage. We
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understand that if your audience is 8, 9, 10-year-olds, it needs to be very PG 8, 9,
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10-year-old. Well, I actually don't agree with that because as a creator, it's your job to create content.
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Sometimes that Sometimes that content is found by certain groups of people. Right.
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So, they have Okay, I don't Again, I don't know much about them. I hear more about them from my
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nephews than I do anywhere else. But, I think they got their start on Disney. And I think that's why they have such a
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young audience now. It's not their problem or something that they need to be concerned with always create content
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that's just for 8-year-olds. Cuz if they started creating content about financial responsibility
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or the stock market, right? Or being an being an entrepreneur, a bunch of 8-year-olds are going to
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probably probably going to tune out. Mhm. They don't have to They can make whatever content they
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want. That's their right. You know what I mean? Um but on the other side of that when you've
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been making content that's been geared towards 8-year-olds and 10-year-olds, and that's
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kind of your bread and butter, and you get to the point where you know that that's how you're making your money,
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then maybe you need to reassess the situation. If you don't want to keep making that content then stop, or create
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another channel that is No, that's what I'm saying. adults only or whatever. That's what I'm saying. I I
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I I think your message was a bit lost on me there for a second. You kind of circled back to it. But no, that's what
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I'm saying. If if if if that's how you received your fame and your and your fortune, then you There's a
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responsibility that comes with that, whether you chose your audience of 8, 9, 10-year-olds, or if that happened to be
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your audience. Yeah, but I mean, you see And like you said, you if you want to gear some things towards adults, or if
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even if for some reason you think it's okay or appropriate to film somebody that unfortunately
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had such a shitty life that they killed themselves or were suffering from some kind of
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illness that they killed themselves, and then make fun of it. Well, then you need
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to get a a channel for for adults that's geared towards an audience that for some reason thinks that that's
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funny, you know. Um uh So, that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying I think that it it there is a certain responsibility.
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Just in the in the same sense that if you and I decided to mail it in one week and we're
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like, "Oh, you know, Nick's sick. He's and he was such an idiot that he spent all Sunday drinking
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to try to cure He thought alcohol would cure the illness. Uh so, we're just going to sit here and
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talk about football today rather than true crime." Because, you know what I mean? It's it We've we've kind of set
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the standard and and we have a responsibility to our audience. Yeah, on our daily,
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you know, yes. Yeah. We have a responsible Yeah, we we do true crime. We don't like to talk politics or talk
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too much outside of the true crime realm. I mean, that's kind of what Off the Record is for is kind of
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whatever else is happening. So, you think um or the rumor is that this guy they might be able to bring charges against
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the the Paul Are they Paul brothers? Is that their last you know, they're both they're both have the same last name?
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Yeah, and what sucks is um what I've been realizing in my old age is I'm a nationalist.
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I'm really into my country. But You're the Captain's a patriot. But go Yes. But go even further. Um moving away
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from Ohio, I have then moving back to Ohio like I believe people should really love
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their roots and understand where they came from and for whatever reason that uh weighs on me more, you know, uh
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I I I know a lot of friends of mine that have American flags but don't have Ohio
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flags. Um and these the Paul brothers are from Ohio. They're from Ohio. And that's uh
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Now, I'm just going to say it. I like I said, I've only seen little clips and stuff.
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I think the Jake Paul guy is uh just complete trash. And there's some issues and I think
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their dad is definitely number one creepo. And I think the the allegations being
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made from this hacker group is that they think they have enough information that
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they can give this to um authorities and and possibly that there's charges. That's the allegations
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they're making. I Again, I don't know. It's It's YouTube. But But the weird thing
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is I've seen just a couple little things about Logan Paul, which he's the one that filmed
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the guy that committed suicide. But I actually think there's like there's a brain in there somewhere, and
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I think there's he actually I think he was a Ohio wrestling like state champion.
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So I I do think there's maybe some hope in there for but look, it's a difficult thing. I mean
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to to say We don't know if they geared their initial videos towards 8-year-olds, or
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if that's just what they they found audience that found them, yeah. Just like somebody the other day was
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saying, you guys should make children's clothes. Well, no. Like True Crime Garage children clothes. We
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should make bibs for for babies. Right, but if you're listening to this show and
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you're pregnant, it's not going to hurt your unborn child. If you're listening to this and your 3-year-old's in the
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car, but they're not really paying attention, it's not going to mess up your child, you know, like
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but I wouldn't tell my 8-year-old nephew to listen to our show every week. Oh, I absolutely don't endorse
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I do not endorse parents listening with their children. Now, I do know that we have some people
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that have reached out to us, you know, we get the we get a nice thank you email every now and then saying, "Hey, you
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know, the True Crime Garage has become part of my weekly life, you know, I I listen to your show every week, and now
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my wife listens to the show, and now our 17-year-old daughter listens to the show." That's a little different, you
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know what I mean, for me. What I'm saying is if a mom or a dad is driving their kids to school,
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I used to listen to a show every morning, but it would vary. You know, sometimes
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I'd listen to NPR in the morning, sometimes I'd listen to Adam Carolla, sometimes I'd listen to the Stern.
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My step kids, they didn't really ever pay much attention. You know what I mean? Right.
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Like they they just wanted. And then every now and then they would, and they'd have a couple of their favorites,
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but my main thing was are these people cursing? Are these thing are are what you know?
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And and the majority of our stories are our our storytelling. And it's not just um
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I mean there are other shows out there that drop the F bomb more than we do. Mhm.
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Um But yeah. So I don't know. I I just thought So that was the video that got me into
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the Steven Kubrick thing. Right. So again, back to being a cinephile. What I find super fascinating about
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movies is how they chose something. So if you look at like Goodwill Hunting for example, there's two scenes where
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they place math mathematical equations on a board and the janitor solves them. The second
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equation that they put on the board, the professor said it took MIT professors 2 years to prove this.
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The gauntlet has been thrown. Actually, it's a exercise that people give to advance middle school students
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or even high school students. And it's just this um basically you have so many dots and
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you have so many lines and you have to you have to create there's I think nine different things that you can create and
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there's like a list of rules and how to do it. The reason why they picked that equation
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was because it was visually satisfying. So it had nothing to do with the complexity of it because they know
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nobody's going to look at that and go, "Oh my god. Right. Uh I can't solve that problem." It's
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it's more about when you do see the shot, it looks like it's something complicated.
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Right. So, I find that super interesting. Now, you might have seen Superbad. Right?
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I might have seen it. I've seen it like six times. Okay, so this this scene where
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he's in the bedroom He He Jonah Hill? No. The other guy. guy. The The The The thin guy that starts
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singing. Yeah. Right. I'm Sorry. Sorry. I I laugh just thinking about that. It's one of the best scenes in cinematic
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history. In all of movies. Right. All of film. So, he starts singing These eyes are crying.
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Mhm. They are crying. Well, here's how they got that. it, brother. Preach it. They They
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They gave him a list of about 50 songs. And they said Like Like he's a DJ at a wedding. Here's
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a list of 50 songs. songs, but these are songs that were cleared that they didn't have to pay for
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or if they did have to pay for was under a certain dollar amount. So Oh, okay. So, then he looks at the list.
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I wish we knew his name. Can we find his name on here? You keep talking. I'm I'm I'm I'm typing
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away over here. Cuz he's awesome. He's great actor. And we just said it's one of the best
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scenes in all of film. So, if you're going to say that, right? We need to know I mean, it's basically that scene is
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basically if you put like Godfather 1 2 3 all together combined goodness and threw it into one
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scene. That's how good it is. It's like basically taking all of Rocky 4's montages and throwing them together and
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putting it into one scene. That's how good it is. Mhm. So, anyways, the reason why So, they
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gave him a list and that was either because the songs were free or was under a certain dollar amount.
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And he picked that song cuz it was the song that he knew the most. Now what was kind of funny about the
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scene was he mumbles a lot of lines, but that's because they told him, you don't
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have to learn it word for word. Mhm. So I just love the backstory on the decisions. Just like if you the famous
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Matthew McConaughey when he says, "All right, all right, all right, all right." He's now he's said multiple backstories
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on this thing, but one of the things I find so fascinating is the day before they're supposed to shoot this.
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I don't know if the all right, all right, all right, all right was ever in the script.
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But what he states is he's trying to figure out who this guy is. He's sex, drugs, rock and roll. So he's listening
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to this live bootleg Doors tape and in between the songs Jim Morrison yells, "All right, all
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right, all right, all right." Right, right. And he thought, "Oh, that's cool. All
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right, all right." Right. So I from his So the the actor's name is Michael is it
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Michael Cera? C E R A. I know I'm going to get that wrong. But uh Cera. Cera, there we go. But I've heard the uh
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McConaughey thing from his mouth. And like you said, he's given several I think I wonder if this is where it
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gets confused. Mhm. If there's multiple background backstories to this. Because it's a lengthy backstory. The
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one I heard from him, not we weren't like hanging out obviously. It was some kind of interview. And it [ __ ] I can't
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remember. Maybe it was on Howard Stern. Those interviews are pretty good on there.
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Like if you want to get to know an actor or a musician, that's a pretty good spot
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to go to to really get to know somebody in a in a lengthy interview cuz they're long. They're long interviews. They
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could be an hour long. Mhm. Uh so McConaughey, the one I heard on there was almost exactly what you said where he
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had this Doors tape that he was listening to, but it was given to him by either the writer or the director, maybe
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they're the same because the guy's like, "Hey, you know, put your put yourself in this frame of
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mind. Listen to this Doors tape." And it was between songs or at the end of a song, something like that, Morrison
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says, "All right, all right." You know, something similar to that or yells it to
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the crowd. But on top of that, it's he was asked to do a scene at the last minute during filming that wasn't in the
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script that he was originally given. And he kind of panicked because he's a new actor. You know, he I don't know if he
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had been in more than one thing at that point. And cuz wasn't he in like a Texas
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Chainsaw Massacre movie? Like wasn't that his big break? I think him and Renée Zellweger were in
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a a terrible remake of a Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And I only know that because I've watched every version of that movie
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that they've put out. But he says um "Shit, well, I got to come up with some kind of line on the spot."
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And he panicked and he thought of that Doors tape, but on top of that, he thought, "Okay, well, I can do the scene
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because I'm not I'm not Matthew McConaughey. I'm this dude. You know, I'm this dude Dazed and Confused dude."
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And I can do it because who is this guy? He's he's he's into cars, he's into drugs, he's into women. You know, and
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he's thought, "All right, all right, all right. I got each one of those things. I
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can I can handle it." Yeah, he came up with four different ones. So, tell me who You dropped a name.
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You're trying to get to a story. And you dropped a name. a podcast, people, cuz we can talk about
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absolutely nothing for Say that name again and tell tell me who that person is. Steven Spielberg.
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Okay. I guess that's Steven Spielberg. I believe that's the best way to pronounce
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Who is he and what does he do? Well, he's a director. Okay. But, um And the universe works in weird ways, my
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friend, because there's been a lot of um I actually didn't know much about him, didn't know much about the name. I was
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working on a uh a project in the studio. Hopefully, we get done with it some point. Um
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What project? Can you say or can't you say? Um Uh let's see. It's kind of a Remember how Johnny Cash did all the
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cover songs? Right. It's kind of like that. It's a group called Ghost Mountain. Um
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So, it's but it's it's cool stuff cuz it's like taking a song that you've known your whole
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life. Like we we've been we were working on doing a cover of Sober by uh Tool. So, to take something that crazy and
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then turn it into this whole different thing. But, anyways, we're in the studio.
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Uh Steven Kubrick made a movie called Oh, crap. What's it called? Well, so I'm pulled up his name here.
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He's he did Eyes Wide Shut. He did 2001 A Space Odyssey. He's done like 15 2001 Space Odyssey.
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13 feature films. So, what was interesting was the producer said to me, "Have you ever seen this I believe it's
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Steven Kubrick Space Odyssey 2001? It's the last scene like it's 20-some minutes."
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Okay. And there's there's uh a Pink Floyd tune that I believe was either I think they wrote to it. Like he told
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them, "I need you to do this music." And I think they wrote to it. And we watched that
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Right. in the studio, great sit you know a great sound system whatever and this movie was done a long time ago and
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I'm going this is freaking amazing. I mean blew my mind. One never been a huge Pink Floyd fan lot of respect for him.
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But stuff like that connecting a film with with music it was just uh I mean it was awesome and I was like man who is
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this Steven Kubrick guy? He's done a ton of movies. Okay, I got a couple of notable ones.
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All right, notable for me anyway. I'm sure people have heard of other of these other movies but I'll just do the ones
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that pop off the page. A Clockwork Orange. Yes, I mean come on. Right. You know If you haven't seen that your head will
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explode. It's it's it's violent. It's crazy. Uh The Shining. The Shining. Which I which is interesting.
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Um and then Full Metal Jacket. Yeah. Which is which is one of my it's a movie that I probably watched 10
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times like every few years I just pop it on and and I I sit through the whole thing. The the where when they're being
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trained to be in the military at boot camp is is one one it's it's super interesting.
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It can be funny at times but it's also like incredibly haunting. And and I won't get into you know if people
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haven't seen that I won't get into why but watch that movie. Yeah and um he's done other stuff with Stephen King
00:28:25
movies but what I thought was really interesting was um there's been these rumors that Steven
00:28:31
Kubrick was actually hired by our government because of Space Odyssey 2001. Um that they hired him to fake the moon
00:28:41
landing. Now so we're a true crime show not conspiracy but I thought this was fascinating. Well,
00:28:48
what was interesting is So, I'm watching this video and they're talking about it
00:28:52
and they were saying that, you know, Steven had a IQ of over 200 or something crazy.
00:28:58
And he just didn't want to go along with the government, but that possibly that the government possibly
00:29:03
threatened his life or threatened his family's life or his daughter's life. Now, his
00:29:08
daughter emphatically denies all this. But, um they were interviewing these astronauts from the Apollo missions and
00:29:16
some of the people that were in like our ground control, right? Right. To Major Tom.
00:29:24
Ground control to Major Tom. Um So, what I thought was interesting was these guys were saying, "Yes,
00:29:33
there's this rumor that Steven Kubrick was hired by our government and yes, he was. And yes, we had a sound stage that
00:29:42
looked like the fake moon landing, but we actually landed on the moon." And then they said that NASA has also
00:29:50
released footage of some of the stuff Steven has done. That's why when you compare some of the
00:29:57
actual moon landing film and pictures that it doesn't line up with some of the stuff that Steven Kubrick did.
00:30:06
Again, Sorry, sorry. Stanley Kubrick. What am I calling him? Steven. Cuz I well, I we were talking
00:30:14
about Steven Kubrick Sorry. No, you're fine. I was rolling with it. Uh I didn't Steven Kubrick. Somebody yelled at their
00:30:22
phone 500 times, "It's Stanley, you son of a bitch." I hate you, Captain. It's Stanley Kubrick.
00:30:30
Stanley Kubrick. Well, Stanley Kubrick has a IQ of about uh uh 200, which is We affectionately call him Steven.
00:30:38
Well, we we like to say that Stanley has a IQ about 200 more than we do. Right. So, if he's at 212, I'm at 12.
00:30:49
Stanley, well, I'm trying to wake up. So, anyways, what I thought was really interesting
00:30:55
was this whole idea that possibly he was hired by the government to And the whole
00:31:00
idea was, what if we get to the moon and we can't land and then Russia wins? Cut to
00:31:08
We can't let Russia win at any rate. Stanley to Cut to Stanley and Steven Kubrick both
00:31:14
of them at the same time. Cut to their footage and then we go, Russia, we won, you suck.
00:31:20
Right. And this is all kind of interesting, too, cuz we got the First Man movie coming out with
00:31:26
my buddy Ryan Gosling. People always ask if we're best friends. We used to be, but we can't
00:31:35
Ryan would like to be, but the captain won't allow it. I'm kind of busy with the show. And the
00:31:41
problem with his job is he works on a movie for a couple months and then he has time off.
00:31:47
And I tell him, Gosling, I got a show to do every week. Right. We can't Step off, Gosling. Step off.
00:31:56
We can't be BFFs, bro. Sorry. Anyways, so I just thought that was interesting and the fact that these people weren't
00:32:09
denying it. So, that got me down this rabbit hole and they were saying that he would throw in these clues
00:32:15
into his movies and one of them was future movies. So, like So, 2001 Space Odyssey was done in '68
00:32:25
and the moon landing was '69 or his portrayal of the moon landing was done in '69, whichever whichever side of
00:32:34
whichever fork in the road you way you choose to go. But you're saying movies that he did after that. He's saying,
00:32:40
"Hey, look I'm going to drop a little clue that that I was I was really up to confusing
00:32:46
America." And film nerds and video games nerd nerds would know that Stanley was dropping
00:32:56
what we call in the biz Easter eggs. Yeah, I love a good Easter egg. Yeah, which is funny cuz we actually
00:33:03
dropped we've been dropping Easter eggs for a long time. And some of the ways that
00:33:08
You've been laying eggs for a long time. I've been laying eggs. Like The The captain can lay golden eggs.
00:33:15
But nobody Nobody's ever brought them to the attention. Like our logo, the way we
00:33:20
number shows, the way we name shows, little stuff like that, but nobody's noticed. Nobody's even brought it up to
00:33:26
my attention. I've been dropping Easter eggs on your heads, people. And nobody knows nothing.
00:33:33
That's right. Anyways, so there's a scene a famous scene in The Shining that is supposed to be called
00:33:41
well, it's called room 237. And King The rumor is King wanted it to be called room 217. Is that
00:33:49
Right. Well, in in the actual book, I believe it's called 217. Okay. And the reason why is cuz he has a book
00:33:59
called 217. Right? Um that I don't know, but but as far as The Shining goes, I've read a
00:34:04
bunch of Well, what's the movie with James Franco on Stephen King? What was that movie?
00:34:13
I don't know. Look it up real quick. I As far as Stephen King goes, I've read a bunch of his books, but I've not
00:34:19
actually read The Shining. Um that's not one that I've read. I have seen the movie,
00:34:27
the original movie, several times. Well, no, that's not it. I for That's the 11.
00:34:33
Yeah, he's got 112263. I kept on thinking Isn't there one with a room in it? So,
00:34:43
anyways, I I believe the room number is supposed to be 217 and that somehow connects to
00:34:49
other stories that kind of go in the Stephen King world. So, uh Stanley Mhm. Stanley, we got to get his name right.
00:35:03
Kubrick. He changes it to 237. Tells Stephen King, well, the the hotel, they don't want me to call it
00:35:13
217 because they don't want their This is a scary scene. They don't want their guests to
00:35:20
be so freaked out that they're like, "Yeah, we're not staying in 217." So, we're changing it to 237.
00:35:27
Well, supposedly the the hotel that they shot The Shining at doesn't even have a
00:35:32
217. But, what was Stephen King wouldn't know that because they just took his movie and they adopted it,
00:35:41
right? Right. Or adapted it to screen. He's not there. He doesn't know. He can't check.
00:35:48
And a lot of people believe that he calls it 237 because the distance or at that time, the known distance from
00:35:56
the Earth to the moon was roughly 237 thousand miles. And that he did that as kind of a
00:36:06
tip of the hat. And there's also a scene in The Shining where a kid is wearing an
00:36:10
Apollo shirt Mhm. and he like lifts up and it's supposed to be kind of like a representation of the
00:36:17
moon landing. But, I just thought But, what was so interesting about it was normally you hear some kind of kooky
00:36:23
cockamamie story and to have these astronauts and these scientists and these other people
00:36:33
back it up as if it was no big deal. Right. Oh, yeah. He did this. Oh, yeah. We made him do
00:36:40
that. Um I just thought that was really fascinating. And what And it wasn't from
00:36:45
like a conspiracy website, you know, so um but hey, now that we just uh did all that stuff. We we did have There
00:36:55
were some updates this weekend. Well, um I'll tell you what, as far as The Shining goes, it's a movie
00:37:03
that holds up. Like it You know how sometimes you watch a scary movie and then 20 years later you watch a scary
00:37:10
movie and it's not scary anymore. Uh this is a movie that even if you're watching it for the first time, it holds
00:37:17
up. It's still very uh it's it's filmed very well. Uh it looks good. What I mean, the way that
00:37:25
they the way that they filmed everything was very interesting. It was very uh Hitchcockian. Is that a word? If not,
00:37:32
we've now made it a word. Uh Put that in the Urban Dictionary. And then of course it's just a fantastic
00:37:39
movie. It's it's a little frightening. Um I remember the first time I watched it, I used to work third shift security.
00:37:50
So my shifts would start at at 11:00 p.m. Mhm. And for whatever reason it must have
00:37:55
been on cable, maybe HBO or something, and I watched it uh I would wake up usually 4:00 or 5:00 in the afternoon in
00:38:02
the afternoon or evening, get something to eat, start my day, and then go into work at 11:00 p.m. So I'm eating dinner
00:38:09
and I watch The Shining. I watch it from start to finish and then I'm going to go in and work my security
00:38:16
job after dark. Mhm. This This is not a well-thought-out plan, but I'm an adult and I thought
00:38:24
know, I didn't think anything of it at the time. I arrived to my shift. Now, mind you, The Shining is basically it's
00:38:31
about a man, his wife, and his child alone in this giant hotel that they're going to close for the winter that he's
00:38:41
supposed to be caretaking, uh watching over the grounds uh during the wintertime, right?
00:38:49
So, the whole general idea is it's three people alone in this big building. Well, where I worked security was a
00:38:57
giant building. It was a 28-story building. And I like to be a security guard of a big
00:39:05
parking lot. There was no there was no like businesses around there. There was no like residence
00:39:12
around there. There was nothing around the immediate area. Okay, so the building itself while we did have
00:39:20
occupants in there that lived there because they were high-rise condos, there was nobody on the there was a
00:39:28
basement level, a lobby level, and then there were four levels above me. Three levels above me, I'm sorry. So,
00:39:35
for five levels of this big building, there's there's nobody else there. And I worked with two other guys. So, we
00:39:45
we would roll a three-man security shift for the overnight security. That night, one of the guys was on
00:39:53
vacation. No big deal. Sometimes we would roll just two. I show up, the other guy that wasn't on
00:39:59
vacation, he called off sick. So, I watched The Shining and then I showed up to work my third shift security job
00:40:07
basically in a big building all by myself. Yeah. And Call for backup. There is no backup.
00:40:13
So, I I'm like making my rounds, you know, you have to make rounds and walk hallways and go outside and stuff like
00:40:18
that. I'm making my rounds in the hallways and I could swear that like I'm walking down the hallway
00:40:25
and I I must have been hearing the echo of myself walking, but it kept sounding like somebody was walking behind me for
00:40:32
this whole shift. And the thing is, thank god nobody had any reason to watch the
00:40:39
security cameras that the next day or or or or the archive footage of that because they would have seen a grown man
00:40:46
walking the hallways by himself constantly turning around as fast as he can to catch the person that's walking
00:40:52
behind him that keeps magically disappearing every time I turn around. Let me do a reenactment. This is Nick,
00:40:59
third shift security guard. See, he stops. The man behind me stops. How does he know how to
00:41:13
again. He stops right when I stop. How does he know when to stop? He calls 911. There's a man. He's behind
00:41:20
me and he stops every time I stop perfectly in time. And if I turn around, he disappears.
00:41:26
Well, now Now I feel like such a dummy. We got Stanley Kubrick and Stephen King.
00:41:32
We should call him Stanley King and Stephen Kubrick. You know, there there King has several
00:41:40
ties to true crime stories. You know, we mentioned a long time ago we recommended
00:41:46
a good marriage, I believe it's called, which is a very interesting book. It's based off of the idea of written kind of
00:41:53
from the perspective of a serial killer's wife. And and he has stated publicly that he got the idea from BTK.
00:42:01
You know, BTK That's what I was actually going to say when you said he got the idea, I was like, probably
00:42:06
from BTK. Yeah, he's cuz I think the thought fascinated King and it is a fascinating
00:42:11
thought to think of okay so you're married to somebody for 20-30 years and the whole time you've been married this
00:42:19
guy has been a had a secret career as a serial killer. Well, and that and that's really unusual
00:42:26
because you had you do have these serial killers that they get married but normally they're short-lived.
00:42:31
Mhm. And then you have It who if you read the book It in the beginning the town people uh what is it Derry?
00:42:41
Yeah. Derry, Maine um which I can't wait for the second one to come out and I don't think a lot of
00:42:47
people knew there was going to be a second one when the first one came out but in the book they they believe it's a a
00:42:54
human being like a a real-life child killer that that's kind of snatching kids and
00:43:00
killing kids in the town. Well, but also I think when you I mean we've had several situations
00:43:07
where there are there is a child killer on the loose. Mhm. A child serial killer and just the fear
00:43:14
that that puts into people and they start putting curfews on people and and don't walk alone and the buddy system
00:43:21
and all that stuff and just the pure terror that goes through a small community uh especially back then when there's no
00:43:31
cell phones and there's no internet and there's not everybody's so connected digitally.
00:43:37
Uh I just taking that idea now you're you're taking a cosmic clown from outer space but you're starting with the
00:43:44
premise of we have children that are going missing and we believe they're dead. Right.
00:43:50
And and cosmic clown or not like that's that's a scary premise. Well, and then there's a almost direct
00:43:59
tie. So in in 1997 this guy Michael Carneal he shot eight students So, he was a student himself.
00:44:10
And he shot eight fellow students at a prayer meeting. This was at Heath High School in Kentucky. Um I don't remember
00:44:18
what city that was, but I remember Kentucky. Anyway, they found a copy after after this thing was all
00:44:26
uh you know after the rescue effort and all that, once they started investigating this
00:44:30
thing, they found a copy of a book called Rage inside his locker, inside Michael Carneal's locker. Now, Rage is
00:44:39
actually written by Stephen King, but early in King's career, he wrote under a different name, Richard Bachman. Um and
00:44:47
this is a book by Richard Bachman, and the Rage book is about a guy uh uh I think he was 16 or 17 years old.
00:44:56
have used the name Stephen Kubrick, you know. Stanley Kubrick or Stephen Kubrick?
00:45:02
Yeah, Stephen. It was Yeah, quick transition. What we didn't know is that we we secretly created a new alias.
00:45:10
So, at Com- Comic-Con at CrimeCon this year, I'm going to check into my room under Stephen Kubrick.
00:45:17
That's right. Send gifts to Stephen Kubrick's room. They're going to say, "Stephen Kubrick, is that
00:45:23
are you a famous director?" And I'm going to say, "My father, Stanley, was." That's right. Uh
00:45:29
So, in the book Rage, the uh the student that Stephen King or Richard Bachman, however you want to look about it,
00:45:36
writes about, he like assaults he gets in some kind of argument with his one of his teachers, and I think he assaults
00:45:43
the teacher, which then in turn uh he's going to be getting suspended for this. Mhm.
00:45:48
He gets in some kind of verbal altercation with the principal when this is when he's getting reprimanded, which
00:45:55
then turns into an expulsion. Uh he's going to be kicked out of the school, I believe. And he decides to
00:46:02
take some of the kids hostage, shoot some of the teachers. You know, this is unfortunately this is a
00:46:08
book that was written I think in the 70s but unfortunately it was something it's
00:46:15
something that we have come to learn and unfortunately have the real life experience of school shootings happening
00:46:23
frequently. Right. And so when this when this shooting happened in 97 and they found his book in the dude's
00:46:33
locker King yeah King says look let's let that book go out of let's let it fall out of
00:46:42
print. We're not going to we're not going to keep publishing this book. I don't I don't know if this book
00:46:49
inspired this kid to do this but I'm going to err on the side of caution and we're not going to inspire anybody else
00:46:56
and I think if King had his way that if you could magically collect all those books I think he would do that but
00:47:03
obviously that's impossible so Yeah well it's but it's interesting though too because there's there are
00:47:10
several crimes that people think were directly influenced from reading a novel that the crime
00:47:20
the criminal was influenced by and and so you look at 1997 two years before Columbine
00:47:27
if this story becomes bigger you know is is Dylan and Eric reading this book to get inspired
00:47:36
you know what I mean or like they always talk about with the the John Lennon assassination him reading Catcher
00:47:43
in the Rye. Right. And then you know one of the best Stephen King books of all time I think
00:47:52
and oddly I don't think most people know it's Stephen King but uh or maybe they do. I don't I don't I
00:47:59
don't know. I'm not in everybody's head, but I'm waiting to be shot. Stand by. Stand by me.
00:48:03
Because it's not your typical Stephen King story. Right. I Which it I actually believe was
00:48:10
called The Body. Yeah. I think the book's called The Body. Right. Right. Which is then is adapted to Stand by Me.
00:48:17
But, every time I think about that, you know, I If I'm going just like searching the
00:48:22
internet, anytime I see a picture of just like the Stand by Me guys, I always kind of wonder,
00:48:28
you know, cuz we've been talking so much about West Memphis 3 lately, and the whole
00:48:33
the boys are trying to give them convince Vicki Hutchinson to let her son Aaron go with them.
00:48:40
Mhm. To somewhere. And that there's all these rumors that they didn't play beyond the pipe.
00:48:48
Right. But, that again, we'll we'll probably never know cuz Aaron claims that he doesn't
00:48:56
remember anything. He doesn't know what's true and what's a lie, but I believe he probably knows why they
00:49:04
went back beyond, you know, in in Robin Hood hills. Uh I believe he knows why they went past
00:49:12
the the pipe. What they were going to do there that day. And I think it was something
00:49:17
probably not that they're going to go look at a body, but similar to that idea. If you
00:49:23
watch Stand by Me, it's all like there's this body, and we got to go, and we got
00:49:27
to get collect our stuff, and it's like this big deal. Mhm. And and even though it's not that far of
00:49:32
a trip, I I wonder if it was something like that. Oh, we we've seen these guys smoking or drinking or whatever.
00:49:42
And we So, what we we decided that we want to go spy on them. Right. Well, that's that's an
00:49:47
interesting thought because even if they didn't play past the pipe, that sounds weird to say that play past
00:49:54
the pipe. If they didn't play past the pipe area, Right. What if What if something What if
00:50:01
they're playing in that general vicinity and something catches their eye off in the distance a bit and they're like,
00:50:07
"Well, let's go check it out." Or let's Oh, there's people over there like you said, let's go Kids Kids, come on. Love
00:50:13
to spy on people if they if if they can see somebody Right. You know, like, "Hey, let's hide behind
00:50:19
these trees and watch these these weirdos. Oh, they're teenagers or whatever. Let's just spy on them." But
00:50:24
Yeah, so you have Chris Byers. The One thing very interesting about that is Chris Byers was supposedly claimed to
00:50:35
some of his friends of his age group of 8 years old that he had some kind of fort that they had built in Robin Hood
00:50:42
Hills. Right. And I don't know where that fort was and I would love for more more information
00:50:49
about that because there is several stories that say Chris Byers wanted to run away from home. And his plan was to
00:50:58
run away from home and he had told some of the other kids that he was going to run away from home and live in his fort
00:51:04
that he built in Robin Hood Hills. And Which is not that crazy No. for a 8-year-old.
00:51:11
8-year-olds say, "Hey, I'm going to I think I pretended to run away." You know, like you say you're going to run
00:51:16
away and I I think I made it to the the the the school bus stop and then I turned around. Uh
00:51:21
but So I The way that I remember this story, Captain, is that Michael Moore had played with Chris Byers more than
00:51:32
Stevie Branch did. That that him and Moore were were closer, that they were really tight friends.
00:51:38
And this makes sense because they lived damn near next door to one another. Right.
00:51:43
And the two The thought is that the two had built this fort together and that the two of
00:51:49
them were traveling to and from this fort from time to time. Now, we have the whole story of well, they didn't
00:51:58
play past the pipe comes from Chris Byers' older brother, which would technically be his half-brother.
00:52:07
Right. Who was a teenager at the time, 14, 15, maybe 16. I want to say 15, but anyway,
00:52:14
he I think his name was Ryan. Does that seem right? It wasn't Stephen Kubrick. Right. We know that. But so, Ryan, if it
00:52:23
was in fact Ryan, but anyway, his half-brother, older brother, Mhm. is the one that said, "No,
00:52:30
they wouldn't play past the pipe." And and when asked why, you know, and we all know now that they
00:52:36
were found past the pipe. He said, "Something must have taken Somebody must have took them in there or
00:52:42
something got them to go in there." Right. Because they wouldn't play past there
00:52:47
because Chris was afraid to go that far into the woods. That uh and I think Ryan
00:52:53
even said that him and some of the kids his age group were slightly afraid of going that far.
00:53:01
Yeah, and and I mean, this kind of comes full circle because you take a look at that wooded area.
00:53:09
And now now we have some water. And we have some pipes. And what does it remind you of?
00:53:15
Oh, [ __ ] Yeah, I I this just popped in my head, too. It's Stephen King's It. Right.
00:53:21
Like the area that the that the kids would play. Not not so much in the newer movie, right? But the older movie.
00:53:28
And the way that it's described in the book, too. It's uh Sorry, I was drinking quite a bit when I
00:53:35
watched the new version, so maybe I'm off on that, but No, no, no, but yeah, it's different,
00:53:39
but the old version was more like, "Hey, this is a place to play and we're going
00:53:43
to build these little dams and we're going to And that's what me and my buddies used
00:53:47
to do all the time. And it's like, you know, we didn't have as much water, but Robin Hood Hills was kind of like that.
00:53:53
So, is it possible that these three boys saw Stephen King's It and were like, "Yeah, we don't play past the pipe."
00:54:02
Right. Cuz that's where It lives. Or even Or they heard it from the older kids. Right, but
00:54:09
Cuz Ryan says he says for a portion of his life he was afraid to play that far in.
00:54:14
Well, I'm not saying that they talked about that It Right, right. I'm just saying that if you watch
00:54:21
Stephen King's It, there's little points that you don't play past. Um you know, it's like you
00:54:29
you'll play near, but you won't play past. And And so, I wonder if there was something
00:54:35
maybe from some horror movie that didn't allow them or want them to play past that.
00:54:42
But then, did they have this fort? And was that them getting older and saying, "Ah, there's no boogeyman. Let's go a
00:54:50
little bit further." So, but it's But it's interesting how you can pull horror stuff into a true crime story and
00:54:59
then true crime stories, you could take pieces pieces of those and and make great horror movies.
00:55:05
Well, and you mentioned earlier how Stephen King likes to kind of sprinkle cool bits and pieces of his different
00:55:13
stories, or if you want to call them worlds, that he's created into one another. Well, one of my favorite books
00:55:20
of all time Stephen King is and you know, I could rattle off 10 right now. He's No matter what you think, actually, you
00:55:27
know, my father, I've had this conversation with him several times. He's like, "I I'd never read Stephen
00:55:31
King. I don't like horror." Right. And I'm I'm trying to tell him, I'm like, "Actually, my favorite Stephen
00:55:36
King books are not what I would call horror. They I wouldn't throw them into the horror genre.
00:55:41
Right. Kind of like Stand by me. Yeah, so 11/22/63 is roughly about the assassination of JFK,
00:55:50
but it's also science fiction, okay? But in the book, 11/22/63, the I think his name is Jake Epping or
00:55:58
George Epping is the the main character. He actually has two names in the book, so it's confusing. But um
00:56:05
he is traveling uh through through Derry, Maine, in the book. Right. And it's actually, I believe it takes
00:56:15
place maybe a year after what the original It story takes place, Mhm. about the when they were kids.
00:56:23
And he says when he's he lives there for a couple months, I believe, as he's traveling through. And while he's there,
00:56:30
he learns that there's a child killer or there had been a child killer loose and
00:56:36
and killing snatching kids and killing them in the town. And he was afraid his character was afraid to really speak to
00:56:44
any of the locals because he was just passing through. He's like, "Shit, nothing makes a better suspect than a
00:56:51
than a guy in his 30s that just showed up out of nowhere. that showed up out of nowhere, that
00:56:55
doesn't have a wife, doesn't have any kids. Um and he does have a conversation with
00:57:01
uh Beverly Marsh, you know, she's one of the characters from It. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:05
And uh Richie, I don't remember Richie's Beep Beep Richie. I don't remember his last name, but he has a conversation
00:57:11
with those Richie Kubrik? I think it was. I think it was. You hit it on the head.
00:57:19
I'm just going to be so mad cuz we don't edit this we don't edit this show. So, it's like
00:57:26
if it was the other show, we'd go back and fix it. Old Stephen Kubrik. And I I'm telling
00:57:33
you there's somebody probably so mad at us driving. It's Stanley. It's Stanley. You know what's funny and maybe we
00:57:41
should this is this is might be a shirt idea, but um Steven Kubrick You so so the the Zodiac when the Zodiac
00:57:49
was loose and was threatening to kill more people, um there was a guy named Paul Avery who
00:57:55
was writing about the Zodiac in the newspapers and he was writing theories and I think at one point he says
00:58:02
I think Paul Avery might have said that uh he believed the Zodiac killer was homosexual.
00:58:07
Mhm. Which forgive me, but I'm just relaying a story, but it but back then could have
00:58:12
been taken as some kind of insult. You know, you know, this is the the late 60s, early 70s. So
00:58:18
Paul Avery writes something like that and then the the general public is like holy [ __ ] The Zodiac killer is going to
00:58:25
kill Paul Avery now. So so everybody started wearing buttons in shirts that said I'm not Paul Avery including Paul
00:58:34
Avery. He's walking around wearing a shirt that says I'm not Paul Avery. We could have true crime garage shirts that
00:58:39
say I'm not Steven Kubrick. Yeah. I'm not Steven Kubrick. Or I am Steven Kubrick.
00:58:46
Yeah, I'm not Steven Kubrick. I am Steven Kubrick. Stanley, you son of a [ __ ] It's
00:58:53
Stanley. Um real quick. I I got to put this out there. I've been working a lot. I have
00:59:01
not been able to watch it yet. I haven't had the time. The the series that came out about Cold
00:59:08
Case Cameron and Ed Edwards. Oh, that's out already? It's me or it was me, whatever they ended up calling
00:59:15
it. they didn't call it the same as the book. Okay. Which I don't know why you didn't because
00:59:24
you know that they used Cold Case Cameron for the whole documentary. Right. Don't call it the same as the book.
00:59:32
How about you do? And how about you stop being such turd bag? Okay. So all these people want to stop.
00:59:41
Well, we don't know. In fairness, we don't know whose idea that was to not call it that.
00:59:45
No, no, no, no, no. What I mean by not being such turd bag is stop coming up with [ __ ] that just doesn't make any
00:59:51
sense anymore. Um so, this is coming full circle. So, a lot of people have been asking us to
01:00:00
talk about Ed Edwards. Oh god, yeah. And we tried one time. We We started recording episode. The problem is when
01:00:10
Cold Case Cameron says that he's involved in every single case. Gives you zero to well, one
01:00:19
zero to two pieces of evidence. Well, what's weird is he you know, some cases he might present several pieces of
01:00:27
evidence, let's say, or several coincidences. Mhm. But in then other cases it's so damn
01:00:34
loose. It's like, well, the the house was set on fire. Well, well, Ed Edwards liked to burn things. Well, okay, I have
01:00:41
a fireplace at my house. That doesn't mean that I'm an arsonist, you know. Right.
01:00:45
Um Or the or the person that was charged with the crime also likes to burn things.
01:00:51
What would have been great What would have been smarter for him, I think, and maybe even more convincing
01:00:58
Mhm. would have been to pick some of the stronger cases where you might be able to make a stronger case that Ed Edwards
01:01:05
was, in fact, the perpetrator of an unsolved crime or a solved crime that somebody else got blamed for.
01:01:11
Mhm. Pick one or two of those and really give a deep dive into it rather than picking
01:01:17
It seemed like Look, I In In fairness to Cameron, I've not read the entire book.
01:01:23
I've read portions of the book. I threw the book out because it was like like you said, any case that seemed to be
01:01:29
unsolved in the United States from this period to that period, he he presents a case a
01:01:36
story that Ed Edwards did it. Right. Perfect example is when Making a Murderer came out, at some
01:01:44
point there was a man that had a odd-shape oddly-shaped man. I like what you said.
01:01:52
And he was in the courtroom. And Ed Edwards, I think not Ed Edwards, Cold Case Cameron's, I think his it was
01:02:00
his daughter or somebody was actually watching a clip and was like, "Dad! Dad, come in here.
01:02:08
That's Ed Edwards." And if you watch this clip and you know who Ed Edwards is and you've watched
01:02:13
interviews with Ed Edwards, you go, "Holy [ __ ] balls, that's Ed Edwards." Right.
01:02:20
It looks a lot like him. The problem is they actually tracked that guy down, figured out who he was,
01:02:29
and he's not Ed Edwards. Mhm. So, once he sees this guy in the thing uh in the in the back of the
01:02:38
film footage, Cold Case Cameron goes around saying he probably did this murder. Again,
01:02:46
not looking at all the evidence against Steven Avery. Look, you know, and and if you're for or
01:02:53
against Steven Avery, you're either, "Hey, Steven did this." or there's a police conspiracy,
01:02:59
and that has nothing to do with Ed Edwards. So, this guy sees one clip and then decides that Ed Edwards is the is the
01:03:08
person that that committed these crimes. Again, proven false. We we know for a fact that the guy
01:03:16
that's in that footage is not Ed Edwards. So, he he tries to say that Ed Edwards would have then killed Teresa
01:03:24
Halbach. Mhm. And and and left evidence around Steven Avery's property to not only to not only to kill
01:03:35
somebody and get away with it, but also frame somebody else. Yeah, because Cold Case Cameron won't
01:03:40
admit this, but at first Cold Case Cameron was just saying that Ed Edwards is the the most serial he
01:03:48
he's the serial killer that you never heard of, that you should have heard of. That was kind of his
01:03:53
original thing when he'd do interviews. Now, it's all about that that Ed Edwards' MO was to commit the
01:04:02
crime and then get somebody else to to the blame for it. Right. So, again, here's an example of Cold
01:04:11
Case Cameron not knowing what he's talking about. And jumping to conclusions, and then we
01:04:17
find out that guy in the footage, he was accounted for. He was a guy that lived in the area. That guy maybe he was
01:04:24
worked for the press or something. So, I would argue to you as since we've been talking a lot about West Memphis 3,
01:04:32
a lot of people bring up, and you can YouTube right now, you could YouTube it right
01:04:39
now and put Ed Edwards West Memphis 3. Mhm. And there's a scene in Paradise Lost
01:04:46
where Mark Byers is with his wife and they're at the gravesite and they keep cutting to this older man.
01:04:55
Right. And people claim let's just let's just look at it real quick. I mean, that's
01:05:01
not going to it's not going to hurt anybody. I just want to show it to you again so
01:05:07
you can you can see uh Uh, Ed Edwards. Sometimes it comes up right away, but Ed Edwards, West Memphis
01:05:21
3. Well, well, for for the Making a Murderer portion, I mean, Ed Edwards would have been
01:05:28
very I mean, he would have been 70 He would have been in his mid-70s, early 70s for the true when Teresa Halbach was
01:05:38
killed. Not Not to say that he couldn't have done it. You know what I mean? But But
01:05:43
like you said, that guy's been accounted for. The person sitting in the courtroom
01:05:47
was accounted for. Right. It's not him. And Oh, yeah, this is the scene. So, here's Mark Byers and he's
01:05:55
at the cemetery of his son or wife. Oh, it's of his son and his wife is still alive at this time.
01:06:03
Polaroids. I miss Polaroid cameras. But yeah, so he's taking So, it says Ed Edward Wayne Edwards, Zodiac Killer,
01:06:16
West Memphis 3 Cemetery. John Cameron. I'm guessing that's Cold Case Cameron, right?
01:06:25
Yeah. I think Or James Is it James Cameron? No, James Cameron is somebody else. Some
01:06:30
other famous person. We're just really bad with names today. So, we're about a minute into this clip
01:06:37
and we don't see no Ed Edwards. We We We can nail the last names. Okay, see this guy?
01:06:46
You see this guy? So, what year would this have been? '95? Mhm. The kids were killed in '93.
01:06:54
The trial would have been happened Well, this probably would have been released in '95, '96.
01:07:00
But this I mean, he he has a pear-shape. He's a pear-shape man. But the all we know. He's wearing a cane,
01:07:12
right? This guy looks like Santa Claus, right? Right. That's That's all we know. Now, just
01:07:17
take a look. You You can pause it and take a good look. Now, let's go over here.
01:07:22
Look like the same guy to you? No, but that's what That's why I asked when do you think that that footage was
01:07:28
taken because um the picture that you're going to flip to and say doesn't look like the same
01:07:33
guy is taken in like 2009. 2007, 2009, something like that. So, we're talking uh
01:07:44
if this was filmed in '93 or '94, now we're talking about 15 years later. Right.
01:07:53
But, here's what I I'd argue. It's 15 years later is when he looked like that. That That Ed Edwards looked that way.
01:08:05
If you take Ed Edwards from that interview, No, he looked like the picture you were
01:08:08
about to show. The um where he's got the um oxygen in his nose. No, that's 15 years later he has oxygen
01:08:17
in his nose. Right. What I'm saying is that guy is This guy is super old, too. And the And this video.
01:08:26
Right. So, you take this guy and how many years are you adding on to this? It would be I'm guessing
01:08:35
20? 15 years. 15 years? Right. This guy's not alive. 15 years? Probably not. It'd be interesting if
01:08:42
that guy would like come forward and say, "No, that's me. I was visiting my wife's grave or my brother's grave
01:08:49
Well, right, but that It does look the way it it does look similar to the way Ed Edwards would have
01:08:55
looked in the '90s, in the early to mid-'90s. Uh I don't I I don't see it. You don't see it?
01:09:07
An overweight man with a white beard. Let's I mean let's just pull Let's pull it up.
01:09:15
That's they're they're both overweight white men with white beards. No, I get that idea.
01:09:22
But come on. Every white guy looks the same? Yeah, I just don't I don't see the similarities. And also
01:09:31
just if you go this guy looks about the same age as Ed Edwards when he died. In that footage. So, I don't know. I
01:09:42
think a lot of this stuff is um Cold Case Cameron grasping at straws to keep you know, trying to make a point.
01:09:51
When it's just like like you said, dive into a couple cases, get more evidence of each case. But maybe at some
01:09:58
point I don't know if it's out yet, but if I think Paramount called it it was him.
01:10:04
Mhm. Um and so if that's out now, maybe we should uh It was him. Um Season 1. There Are there going to be multiple
01:10:19
seasons? Well, that kind of makes sense, doesn't it? Because remember we So, we one we
01:10:26
get asked this question frequently. When when will you cover Ed Edwards? Or have
01:10:30
you I like the one Have you ever heard of Ed Edwards? Right. Um When we did we were in Columbus and we
01:10:37
did a little presentation on um Paging Dr. Horny. Yeah, Paging Dr. Horny. Sam Sheppard, Dr. Sam Sheppard and the
01:10:47
murder of his wife Marilyn Sheppard. We did a little Stanley Sheppard. We did a little 45-minute deal
01:10:57
presentation on that. And then we took we did a little Q&A afterwards and we took some questions. And one of the
01:11:02
questions on that day in person, you know, what not an email that we receive frequently, can you cover Ed Edwards?
01:11:09
Horny? It was somebody in the audience said, "Hey, when will you guys, not if or
01:11:15
would you, when will you cover Ed Edwards?" And you told told the the real life story of we attempted to we sat
01:11:23
down in the garage and two recording sessions and both of us got pissed because it was
01:11:30
It sucked. It sucked. We didn't know it it's a story where you don't know where to
01:11:35
begin because some of the accusations seem so flimsy that it's have to start off with
01:11:44
this guy murdered people for real. And he was tried and convicted. And here's those stories.
01:11:54
You have to start off there. Okay. Then you have to go through every case in the history of cases and go JonBenét
01:12:00
Ramsey, yes, Ed Edwards killed her. Zodiac, he's definitely the Zodiac. Here's why.
01:12:08
All, Black Dahlia, yeah, he cut her up. Uh West Memphis 3, killed all three boys. Oh, Making a Murder,
01:12:18
he killed her. The lipstick killer. The lipstick killer. Which there's a guy in there's a guy in
01:12:23
there's a good debate on whether that guy actually did it or not. But there was somebody sent to prison for all
01:12:29
three of those murders. The lipstick killer. Oh, Atlanta child murders, oh, Ed Edwards did those, too.
01:12:35
he did that, too? Oh, yeah. Uh See, that that's like I said, I started Adam Walsh?
01:12:40
I started to read the book and I I tossed it. I tossed it. Adam Walsh, too, was killed by Ed Edwards?
01:12:45
was killed by Ed Edwards. Some Oh, I got the we talked about this a little bit when we covered Adam Walsh,
01:12:53
which feels like 10 years ago, doesn't it? Mhm. But uh when we covered Adam Walsh, we
01:12:58
talked a little bit about the theory that Jeffrey Dahmer may have killed Adam Walsh.
01:13:03
He did. And there's several people that have wrote books about that. One is Yeah, which I think we brought up on the
01:13:12
show. Witness? I think is a is a one of the books. And there's another one called um
01:13:20
Stanley Kubrick. Is it Dahmer's Dirty Secret? Dirty Little Secret or something like that?
01:13:26
I recently I had read one when we covered Adam Walsh, but not not in anticipation of covering Adam Walsh,
01:13:33
just to see if there was any weight to it. And there is. There is some weight to
01:13:37
it, but I I just received the other book. So, I've not read it yet. Well, I've always said, I mean, the
01:13:43
confession was complete horse [ __ ] And for whatever reason at the time um John Walsh came out and
01:13:51
said, "It's possible, and we're looking into connections." He never followed that up, and then eventually just kind
01:13:57
of went on with uh this guy confessed he's the murderer the case is closed, move on.
01:14:07
And again, rightly so, because at the time Dahmer was put in jail and then I believe people asked Dahmer about it,
01:14:16
but he never admitted to it. One, it would be a child murder. Two, so you you have reason not to
01:14:25
claim that you did it, cuz you're going you're in prison. So, you're not going to confess to a child murder, because
01:14:30
people are going to come after you. And then two, it was a murder in Florida. Death penalty.
01:14:37
So, even though I believe uh I do believe Dahmer got the death penalty. Mhm. Or maybe I don't
01:14:47
did. Okay, so that was the other reason why he wouldn't. I mean, ultimately he did because he
01:14:52
would have got it. Ultimately he did because somebody decided to off him um and in a well-devised plan.
01:15:01
But no, when you have you got to look up the story. It's pretty interesting. There's multiple
01:15:05
eyewitnesses that when Dahmer was arrested and his face was all over the news, they
01:15:13
actually contacted the Hollywood Hollywood in Florida um police department saying,
01:15:19
"The guy that I saw at the mall that day or the guy that I saw with Adam was this guy that was just arrested."
01:15:29
And that guy's name was Jeffrey Dahmer. And again, you have multiple eyewitnesses that come forward not years
01:15:36
later, the day that Dahmer's arrested, the day he's in the news. You had multiple eyewitnesses come
01:15:41
forward and say, "The guy I saw is the guy that they arrested." And that's all the proof I need.
01:15:48
Well, and this is not some cold case Cameron crappola. Mhm. Jeffrey Dahmer lived in Florida during
01:15:56
that time period. Well, yeah, and not only did they say that they saw Jeffrey Dahmer, but they
01:16:00
saw they saw a man with this blue van or whatever color the van was, but there's
01:16:06
multiple eyewitnesses that saw that and what was Jeffrey Dahmer doing at the time? He was making deliveries. So, he
01:16:13
basically worked miles away from this mall, drove a van Drove a van for work. Right, multiple eyewitnesses saw a man
01:16:22
that looked like Jeffrey Dahmer in that van saw a guy that looked like Jeffrey Dahmer in the stores following around
01:16:30
people, saw a man like Jeffrey Dahmer with Adam Walsh. You know, that's all the evidence I need
01:16:37
right there. Hey.