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oh really [Music] thank you foreign [Music] [Music] defend us in our day of battle
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protect us against the deceit and wickedness of the devil may God rebuke him we humbly pray
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and you Prince of the Heavenly Host by the power of God banish into hell Satan and all of the evil spirits who roam
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through the world seeking the Rune of Souls St Michael is one of the principal Angels his name was the war cry of the
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good angels as he led them in the battle fought in heaven against those led by the Dragon
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who was in fact the devil or Satan the devil and his followers were defeated and they were thrown down to Earth
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according to scripture Christian tradition gives to Saint Michael four offices be the champion of God's people
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to fight against Satan to call away from Earth and bring men's souls to judgment
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to rescue The Souls of the faithful from the power of the enemy especially at the
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hour of death Tuesday March 3rd 1998 Monroe Wisconsin two men both priests are driving it's
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about 8 30 PM father Alfred Coons the passenger is getting a ride home from his longtime friend and pal father fiori
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a Dusty Wisconsin snow was falling fiori and Coons had a 70-mile drive ahead of them
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taking them all the way to the Tiny Town of Dane Wisconsin with a population of only about 700
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hard-working and God-fearing people Dane was only a small blip on the big Wisconsin map
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it was where father Alfred Coons had called home for many years and for many years he has loved and taken care of the
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good people of Dane it was a beautiful night one of those clear March nights where the snowflakes
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melt when they touch the pavement about halfway home father Coons became silent and then he started to clam up
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fiori looked at his friend and said Al you have been a good friend for so many years and I love you for that there was
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a long pause and father Coons looked up there were large tears running down his face and all he could say was
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I know I know around 10 pm that night the two priests had arrived at St Michael's Church the
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destination for father Coons he got out of the car ther fiori rolled down the car window
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and shouted hey Al make sure you get yourself something to eat I will Coons yelled back before heading
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inside and out of the cold most likely within an hour or two of arriving home father Coons was startled
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a noise woke him from his sleep [Music] someone was in the building a stranger stepped out of the cold night
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and into the church and home of Father Coons but this part of the story is a mystery
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because we don't know the stranger's name and we cannot see the stranger's face we can only wonder if father Coons knew
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the name or recognized the face regardless father Coons would have greeted The Stranger with warmth and
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kindness how may I help you my child but the stranger was not seeking the love of
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God the warmth of the church he only wanted one thing from father Coons The Stranger would greet Coons with anger
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maybe an accusatory question a death threat or words of hatred The Stranger rushes the old priest and
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attacks him forced to defend himself father Coons fights back as he is being hit
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repeatedly after a long struggle The Stranger gets up and he pulls from his coat a knife father Coons grabs at the
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blade with his bare hands trying to pry the knife from his assailant sadly he is
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unsuccessful The Stranger put the blade to the side of Coon's neck and slits the throat of
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the beloved father stranger now covered in blood injured and probably cut stands up
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and as he gathers himself he curses the priest then he steps back out into the cold night who was this stranger was he
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a mentally ill Drifter or some sick twisted Satanist or was he someone the priest had trusted
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this is true crime garage and this is the case of Father Alfred Coons [Music] thank you
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on Wednesday March 4th 1998 the body of Father Alfred Coons was found at the Saint Michael's Church his body was
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practically lying at the foot of a beautiful statue of Saint Michael the Archangel inside the building he was
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found by a school teacher this is a male teacher at about 7 A.M on that day this
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man called 9-1-1 to report the findings when the First Responders arrived the first thing that they saw was all the
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blood on the tile floor now father father Alfred Coons was wearing black pants and a white T-shirt and he was
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lying in a pool of his own blood his his clothing had been blood soaked by that point obviously the teacher who had
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found him had quite a bit of blood on his own clothing as well after running over to the body father Coons was known
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as father Al to most who knew him now as we mentioned at the start of the show one man who knew Al very well was father
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Fiore the two were together the night before this would be the night of or the night before Coons death depending on
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how you look at the timeline police say because of fiori dropping Coons off around 10 p.m that night and
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the teacher finding the body around 7 A.M the following morning that that obviously is your window for when the
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murder occurred now the police may not know for sure but they have stated that they estimate that the time of death
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would be closer to 10 pm on March 3rd rather than 7 A.M on March 4th so father Fiore and father Coons they were
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together that night they were in Monroe Wisconsin father Coons and fiori will Captain they were they were a lot like
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us they had a quote-unquote radio show they called this our our Catholic hour and it sounds to me like clever name it
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sounds to me like Coons had done the show for a while maybe like a year or two uh Peter I thought it was called a
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Catholic hour garage uh Peter Kelly who is a Monroe Wisconsin attorney he is the producer of the
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weekly show our Catholic hour or our Catholic Family on this night father Fiore was at the
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mic in place of Father Coons the two had been longtime friends and I believe fiori had had been a guest many times on
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this show now father Coons was passing the torch and passing the mic to his friend as father Fiore was taking over
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the show permanently um I I've never I've never heard the show in in no disrespect intended but I
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have read that it was a rather dry hour-long show um not so similar to our show on
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occasion Coons had done some controversial things um or Antics on the show I I won't go
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into the details of those because I don't want to I don't wish to offend anybody listening
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um as we said after the taping of the show fiori drove Coons back to Dane to his church uh Slash home arriving around
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10 pm according to the records Coons spoke to someone on the phone at 10 30 P.M there the there the body was found the
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next morning at 7 A.M we don't know what happened during those hours except someone or someone's arrived at the
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church and there was some kind of fight that led to someone cutting the throat of the good father right I'm really
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curious to know the the um you know the first thing I was curious about was the lock situation of
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the building so let's describe this building real quick so basically what you have it's it's a church now keep in
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mind this is a smaller town but you have a church that also contains within it a
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Catholic school as well as a small apartment it's been referred to as a small apartment where Coons had lived
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but they also said that he lived like a like a like a popper you know like he lived like a very very poor man there
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there was some a famous story done on for coons after he passed away that that was titled Alfred Coons from rags to
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rags you know this wasn't a rags to Rich's story this was this was a man that lived right
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um you know he lived like a poor man because he served his he served his Parish he served his God and he served
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the people of his parish and Community well and also the Catholic Family our garage probably wasn't paying the bills
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right right so the the lock situation like I said the thing that I was concerned about with this building
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um was very simple and the police cleared this up very quickly uh with one of the first newspaper articles that
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came out they clearly stated the police found the building locked um the the entire building was locked
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every door was locked uh and there was no sign of forced entry so you know now we have the situation of
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how did the killer get in uh if if this either he had access to the building in some some way or father Alfred Coons let
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this person in and you know but the thing is 98 right so it could have been like any school or
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some some of these churches where all you you know you could get out of the building but getting in everything was
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locked right so that's that's what I'm assuming I would guess as well the same thing now here's some uh background
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information on our victim father Coons was born in Wisconsin in 1930. he grew up in Fenimore uh he attended Seminary
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at uh josephineum in Worthington Ohio you and I are big fans of the the little town of Worthington it's close to us
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that's right he received a doctorate in canon law uh he became the pastor of what is described in these newspaper
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articles as the tiny church of Saint Michael's and they list the church parish as consisting of 149 families
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it's unclear to me if that was at the time that he became the pastor or if that was at the time of his death well
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like you said in the trailer this is a very small town so father Al I'll try to refer to him as
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that because that's what his friends called him um I guess the church had burned down at
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some point and he had helped rebuild the church uh as we said you know the rags to rag story he took a vow of poverty he
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collected no salary uh he died with very little money he at the time of his death
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he had three cars but these were all like smaller older maybe what we would refer to as beaters Mom right yeah and
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they might have been donated by the people of the parish well he he was a very old school kind of dude he he would
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buy or get these cars you're right some of these may have been donated and these
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are old beat up cars and sometimes they would barely run or uh maybe not run at all but he would fix them up and he
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would keep them running and he would he would give some sometimes he would give these cars to the teachers at his school
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because I believe the teachers made very little money you know they made something like five hundred dollars
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salary a month you know so very little money so he would try to are they allowed to do that with minimum wage and
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things like that I don't know how that stuff works the church gets around everything but he would he would try to
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give them little perks or incentives for their work with the uh with the church and school well he's a little bit of a
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chef as well yeah he was he was kind of famous for his fish fries they would do the community and the church would do
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these uh fish fries every you know most on some Friday nights and father Coons along with two other gentlemen they
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would do everything they would fry the fish the french fries they would make their own tartar sauce uh and even
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though the town only had about 700 people sometimes they would get over a thousand people at these different
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events um you know so this was something that was uh popular you know and he was well
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known for people would drive in from out of town to to you know get together with
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the people in in experiencies these events on yeah well in all fairness if you're in a town of like 700 people
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everything you do is popular hey man um we're gonna go watch a little Kevin he learned to tie his shoes we're
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gonna go watch him okay 700 people show up the thing here Captain though is that
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father Coons he he remained at his church he remained at this church at St Michael's for a long time all the way up
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until his death uh how how long is that it was like you know he was there for like 30 years
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um a long time yeah and the thing here is they they say that he quote unquote ran a one-man show uh he he kept
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basically no records he had no calendar or daily planner and rarely kept notes on things concerning his work at the
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church this including counseling sessions um so from the get-go though we see a problem with the investigation because
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we know with these with these murders that a lot of times we got to start looking at the Inner Circle you know the
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family the friends uh the people that were closest to the victim well immediately the investigators have a
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problem because we have a guy that has no he didn't write anything down he you know they they would have to go to other
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people to find out what this guy's future plans were you know what was his future appointments who was he supposed
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to go see what was on his his calendar that maybe he only kept in his mind um so this made the investigation uh
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more difficult plus they also didn't they're not able to really fully establish things that maybe only father
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Al would have known or father Al would have wrote down regarding his relationships with other people or
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especially his work with the church yeah but how many people write that down hey
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I do a I do a podcast with Nick I like Nick we drank beer together we have fun he's very funny I appreciate all those
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nice things off of the mic when he's not on the podcast he's very funny but the thing here is Captain if investigators
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can find a diary a calendar if they have a computer to if they have a computer that they can sort through
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um do grown men keep Diaries um I don't okay some do yeah you know and but but a lot of
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people keep a calendar A lot of people do um you know sit at a computer for x amount of hours every day these are all
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things that can help your investigation uh he was killed at the age of 67 he was
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uh at St Michael's Church for 31 years you asked how many years it was 31 years um and I didn't I didn't realize this
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until we got into to looking at this case you know I grew up Catholic you grew up Catholic uh I wouldn't say we
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were the best of Catholics you know we weren't we we weren't there shut your mouth that was all I was an alder boy no
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you weren't yes I was you were yeah for a while I was confirmed I was confirmed exposure confirmation names I think we
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already got into this on a show I can't remember what you said yeah Hans was it Hans no it's Isaiah oh and you don't
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remember your name do you no no see I remember this I was too busy being an older boy so I didn't realize that it's
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a very rare thing for a priest to remain at the same church for that many years for 31 years I'm gonna keep that joke to
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myself so both of us were raised Catholic we're neither one of us are practicing
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Catholics today I think we mainly we mainly were confirmed Catholic just so we could play on the football team
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hey I pray a lot during the football season yes yeah um now father Al was not only just a
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good priest but he was a good son as well his mother lived about an hour and a half away from him and he would visit
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her often uh almost every week sometimes more than once a week the thing here is
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that I thought it was well I heard she did his laundry so the thing that I thought was really nice uh and and
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almost cute in a way in a mama's boy kind of way um he would he would visit her obviously
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on her birthday but he would call Mass at her local church on on her birthday so she would she would go there you know
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and maybe drag a couple of her friends with her so she could show off how proud she is of her boy right
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um and like we said he was old school one thing that he would do is he did a he could say a Latin Mass which I don't
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know how often I don't know if these were the things that took place often a Latin Mass I don't know if they did that
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at my church growing up I wouldn't have um you know I would have recognized that
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it's a different language but I wouldn't have known anything that was being said
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well they they did it at mine but to be to be fair I mean they start talking and
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you don't know if they're just saying gibberish or if they're speaking Latin so I do like when the priest like sings and
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talks at the same time you know that always inspired me I was trying to pull a Frank
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Sinatra all right so that you know this guy was a good guy uh I'll post a picture of
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um uh Coons on um Instagram uh one of the things that is interesting he kind of has a
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um [Music] I I don't it's not a lazy eye but it's kind of a droopy eye really I think are you certain he might he might
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I just thought he was kind of the dude that like if he knew he was having his picture taken he would like [ __ ] the one
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eyebrow up like like maybe that was his pose kind of thing no that's a good thing that's my pose and you don't get a
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droopy eye okay that's it that's a different look it's just kind of a droopy eye I mean if you'd you know he
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just comes across as goofy maybe even a hint drunk I'm not saying he was an alcoholic or that he was a drunk that's
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just kind of because he's got a happy face yeah like that's the best way to explain it friendly when you see him he
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like he like has a natural smile um and the thing is if you see him out of his priest get up
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um he's very grandfatherly looking you know what I mean he looks like what you well you would close your eyes and
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picture a typical grandfather Yeah and I'll post a picture of his when he first started the priesthood you know handsome
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gentleman but I think then as he got older I I like the guys that as they get older
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they embrace it and they just go I'm the goofy older guy now you know I'm not trying to be handsome or Suave
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Captain we have we have to go through the autopsy the evidence and the police findings uh from the immediate get-go
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one of the first articles that came out you know we had a situation where the police were saying that they were they
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were looking for a motive for this crime because it would be it's very rare I have to believe it's very rare for a for
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a priest to be killed and a priest would be killed inside one's own church um now they did state that they would
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not rule out robbery early on in the investigation I do want to want to tip you know mention one kind of thing that
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I thought was a little bit sad uh to see a man that gave so much of his life to the Catholic Church into uh his
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community his community and helping others um the thing here is the priest could
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not complete the last rites for father Coons because of the investigation Asian a reverend from a nearby town of Lodi
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gave Coons Final Absolution but officials did not permit him to anoint the body with oil as the oil uh it was
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said that the oil May interfere with evidence or things that they were looking for on the body so I found that
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to be rather sad concerning that you know considering that he gave so much of his
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life to to the faith we'll get back to the case of Father Alfred Coons after this quick beer break
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foreign [Music] we're back cheers everybody with any open investigation you want to try to go
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through the autopsy the evidence and police findings with this still being unsolved these are limited to the public
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as they should be but the still unsolved murder investigation regarding Alfred Coons has been described as one of the
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most expensive and time-consuming investigations in the Dane County History the crime scene was described as
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Grizzly and gruesome which we should expect it to be with the cause of death being well father Coons had bled to
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death he was discovered face down in a pool of his own blood his throat had been cut he
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was lying in the hallway area what's been described as the the hallway area near the door of his apartment
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to his living quarters someone had used a razor sharp what's been described by the police as a razor-sharp blade to cut
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the artery this is just below kunz's jaw medical experts said that he would have
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fainted when the cut was made and he would have only lived for about a minute and this would have been in a dazed
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dream like State now one big indicator to the investigators was father Coons had marks on his hands and arms it was
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very obvious to the police and they're not very descriptive about these uh what what led them to believe this but they
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state that they know for a fact Coons fought his attacker right that would be the marks on your hands and they're
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they're also saying that the attacker would have had obvious signs of injury meaning that the the investigators
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believe or have evidence to point them in the direction of believing that this person was probably punched in the face
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is the is the best way that I can gather from this because they've repeatedly said the attacker would have had obvious
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injuries well and maybe they can tell I mean you're going to have cuts on Father
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kuhn's hands but as far as like you know the the human hand is not designed to punch things well uh so there's a
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possibility that uh father Coons had like a broken pinky knuckle okay or something like that so if he's punching
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somebody he might have damage to his his hand from punching somebody and you and
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maybe that's that's the evidence of that and you would expect to see more damage
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to one's hands if they're connecting with the face or the skull because the bones are you know right up there well
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and the skull is harder than the hand and so this person would have had obvious injuries on their face uh from
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being punched the other thing that they believe too that it's very likely um that the killer did not anticipate
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that amount of blood remember we've talked about in the past that that sometimes when there's a struggle or
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when there's blood involved the blade can become slippery um and and yes you could you can cut
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yourself on accident or it could be even leave yourself with a decent size cut or
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Cuts uh because of the struggle or because of the blood well we've talked about that before with if you have a
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blade like a you know uh knife right you have a standard knife but it normally has the handle and it
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has like a almost like a hand stopper a hilt it helps what I believe so when when if if it got slippery that Hilt
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would stop you from cutting your hand now if you have a box cutter or a kitchen knife yeah or like a razor blade
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type thing read the blade uh then there's no Hilt there so it doesn't stop your hand from sliding and you don't you
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want to talk about a devastating cut you know you thought a paper cut was bad now right away in the investigation
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Captain one thing that I found interesting was the the deputies were asking neighbors you know people that
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lived in this rural rural community apologize uh to watch for unusual items on their lawns and the investigators
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stating anytime that you have a crime like this there is always the possibility that someone has discarded
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something as they left the crime scene so I'm assuming that they were hopeful the police were
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hopeful that maybe that the attacker leaves the church as he's walking back wherever he's going he's dropping the
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the you know the murder weapon yeah that he would have disposed of the murder Weapon by just tossing it in some random
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location all right so what we do know let's just recap this real quick we have we know that father Coons was attacked
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and murdered in the hallway [Music] um we know that there was a knife or a blade involved correct we know that
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there was a lot of blood and so the attacker would probably have blood on them and there's some evidence we don't
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know what the evidence is but you know possibly where this uh the attacker would have or the murderers what I
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probably should say the murderer would have blood on them maybe a black eye maybe
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cuts on them correct broken nose you know any anything that you would a busted lip anything that you would
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assume or or you know that would be typical of a fist fight um we also know that Coons was killed
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between the hours of 10 30 pm and 7 00 a.m uh pretty long window though yeah police believing that it's closer to
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that 10 30 p.m um situation I would I was curious to know who um who he was talking to I couldn't
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locate that information but but it was clear there was some kind of phone call that he had
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um phone conversation that he had around that 10 30 time yeah a lot like you said
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before a lot of this evidence kind of held close to the vast and the other thing too
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um regarding the the teacher that found um father Coons they which had a lot of blood on him they've Not Included the
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name of this person um that I could find and there were many newspaper uh internet and magazine
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articles regarding this murder and I couldn't find one that that stated that male it's a male teacher I couldn't find
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one that stated the name of him we do know that the doors were all found locked there was no sign of forced entry
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it was um you know we said that father Fiore had that uh the the evening with with
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Father Coons the night before it was father Fiore who formally identified the victim at the scene now one thing I was
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a little curious about um was the father Fiore situation you know he's handy you know he's taking
00:43:57
over the this this radio show was that some kind of problem between the two of them they were long time friends they
00:44:05
they actually worked together on many projects that they created themselves and it it had been reported many many
00:44:13
times you know we talked about Coons purchasing or getting these vehicles and fixing them up at the time of his death
00:44:20
he had three cars and he was somebody that everybody said well he loved to drive like that that was a big hobby of
00:44:28
his and I thought well if he'd love to drive so much why is he car you know why is this father Fiore driving him 70
00:44:36
miles both ways I actually found father Fiore at the time lived only about five minutes away from father [ __ ] so it
00:44:43
would only make sense for the two to carpool on this Mr don't litter how about how about trying to carpool every
00:44:51
now and then um everybody please carpool be good be kind don't Litter carpool now
00:45:00
from an outsider looking in uh at first glance and I hate are we getting into speculation already yeah we're gonna get
00:45:08
in a little speculation and then we'll get into some theories but but but one thing that I kind of want to put um well
00:45:15
let me just give our warning if you don't like speculation turn the damn show off one thing I want to kind of put
00:45:20
to bed before we get into the theories here Captain was from somebody looking from the outside looking in your
00:45:27
immediate thought would be a priest killed in a church well was he up to no good we know that the the Catholic
00:45:36
churches um yeah got some black eyes over the years and and Priests we don't have to
00:45:43
pussyfoot around with this well there's been priests out there that have have done Terrible Things there's a there's
00:45:51
hundreds and hundreds of priests that were child molesters that are probably still are child molesters and um the
00:45:58
church has covered that up time and time again that's what's been happening if you don't like what I just stated
00:46:05
um that that's not my opinion that's just what's fact um that's the unfortunate Truth uh the
00:46:11
thing here is Captain so the first thing that we looked at was well it was father
00:46:15
Coons one of these bad priests was he a bad priest and and somebody out there felt that he deserved to be punished
00:46:23
um right maybe so the idea which I don't know why you're you know dancing around
00:46:29
it the idea is that he he possibly molested a child and then that child would come back or the the parents of
00:46:37
that child were like yeah it's time for you to die pay for what you did the thing here is okay that's the theory
00:46:44
right that that would be the first thought and the thing is though there's no evidence or even complaints of Father
00:46:51
Coons having been involved in anything of that nature no again and again 30 years 31 years at the same Parish now
00:47:01
when you look into a lot of these the accused priest that's all you can call them because there's never charges
00:47:08
normally brought up the accused priest normally they'll bounce him around they'll give them six months sick leave
00:47:15
they'll move them perish normally every two to three years so there is no sign of that there's no
00:47:22
sign of him being moved around no father Al's at the same location for 31 years right and like we said there was no uh
00:47:30
even after his death there was nobody that came forward right so it is a small community and I get again
00:47:38
I think with the small community you're gonna you know if if he was up to no good uh
00:47:45
you're affecting a giant percentage of that population actually the the other thing too Captain is what came out after
00:47:53
his death were there were many priests that were coming out as well as people in within the parish that were you know
00:48:01
devout and very close to Father Al that were coming out after his death and saying quite the contrary that that
00:48:08
father Al was not a a bad priest he wasn't a child molester he was actually kind of policing other priests that he
00:48:17
was what they called a um a discreet whistleblower um and this was like I said several
00:48:24
priests said this and several people in the parish had said that he was keeping an eye on some things and he was um you
00:48:31
know I don't know how vocal he was with it because like I said this is stuff he came out that came out after his death
00:48:37
it sounds more to me like um he was he he would report these incidents or report his suspicions to uh
00:48:47
superiors to these other Priests of superiors right and like we said again this was
00:48:53
1998 this is uh this is actually three years I think before the Boston story broke
00:49:00
2001 uh with the whole pre-sex scandal in Boston but I think this was something in that Community
00:49:10
um that was being talked about and being discussed and from what I found it seems
00:49:15
like he was doing a lot of research into these possible connections with priests
00:49:21
and and the whole state of Illinois so what did he know or what did he uncover um you know could that be a possible
00:49:31
motive now the thing here is Captain early in the investigation we have Dane County
00:49:37
Sheriff's detective Kevin Hughes uh regarding the thought of motives for the murder of father Coons he says you know
00:49:44
the the motives are all over the place you know this could be anything from jealousy to power and control to
00:49:51
betrayal and fear of exposure uh he basically says you know it could be any one of these things so you can take your
00:49:58
pick at this point when you're investigating this crime now very early on in the murder they had like they had
00:50:05
a whole bunch of guys maybe 30 30 men and women investigating uh this murder um they they did I mean they they did a
00:50:14
lot of hard work on this now there were many theories out there regarding the motives uh or why he was killed but
00:50:23
several priests have their have theories of their own and we'll get into those um the first one being that
00:50:31
um either Satanist uh possibly luciferians killed father Al Coons okay um it has been it's been suggested many
00:50:42
have suggested that there is a body of evidence that suggests that Satanism was involved in the murder now we we gave a
00:50:50
warning a couple weeks ago and we don't typically do these because it is a true crime show but you don't you don't
00:50:56
expect to hear about um an animal being harmed or killed so throwing out this is the warning uh I
00:51:04
was actually received some feedback that said hey next time when you're going to
00:51:08
talk about that stuff could you make sure you throw out a warning in advance and I thought well you should pay
00:51:12
attention because we we did give you a warning here's your warning here's this is the official warning so and I
00:51:18
apologize for this but it has to be reported um a a mutilate a mutilated calf was
00:51:24
discovered on a farm just about 15 minutes away from St Michael's Church where they found coons's body the calf
00:51:33
this was found just the day before the calf had its Thrift its throat slit It's today and its blood was drained
00:51:43
into a Milk Pail uh the calf's genitals had been cut off as well the calf was in
00:51:50
a cage when it was killed or at least fenced in maybe in a stall rather than a cage but the articles I read refers to
00:51:57
the calf as being caged according to police reports this happened between 10 pm on March 2nd and
00:52:07
4 a.m on March 3rd at a farm so again this is a very similar time frame just one day before coons's murder
00:52:17
right the king as I said the Caged animal's throat was slit the farmer told police
00:52:24
um that he believed that this was probably the work of a Wiccan cult um that he he had said was rumored to
00:52:33
operate in the area now cult experts consider calf mutilations to be the quote-unquote calling card or signature
00:52:41
of Satanist um Coons slit throat was also significant to these same um experts I wonder if there's a way to
00:52:50
test um you know the blade entries and and things like that of the bodies if they'd
00:52:57
be similar that's that's a that's an interesting thought um they're they're saying that the the
00:53:03
throat cutting um is signs of uh you know many secret societies there are Oaths of many secret
00:53:11
societies that include that throat slicing as a penalty or punishment for revealing a group's closest Secrets
00:53:21
um you know and the thought here being was father Coons exposing the operations of some kind of cult right but again
00:53:29
like I said how much did he know about these other priests as far as the you know pedophilia and stuff like that
00:53:37
but also were those pre were those priests connected to other organizations you know that were more Sinister so
00:53:45
that's just a a rabbit hole now one driving force behind this thought of the Satanist or luciferians was Coons friend
00:53:56
and Associate this is a former Vatican Insider Maliki Martin um he certainly thought so
00:54:04
um and this is obvious because just six weeks after Coons murder Martin appeared
00:54:08
on a radio show claiming to have inside information that Coon's murder was carried out by luciferians uh according
00:54:16
to for what reason though did he say on the radio show um I did I did not hear the Arctic I did
00:54:22
not hear the entire interview um according to you know this would have taken place in in the late 1990s and
00:54:31
late 1998. um so I was unable to find the entire interview but according to Martin uh
00:54:39
luciferians are not your garden variety devil worshipers but they are devil worshipers nonetheless he also insisted
00:54:47
that Coons had either assisted in several exorcisms yeah or performed them himself at the Saint Michael's Church
00:54:55
and that he often consulted with Martin regarding these exorcisms um he also yeah well I think Morgan was
00:55:04
actually pretty famous for exorcism wasn't he I think I think that's the priest I was reading about yeah you're
00:55:11
exactly right uh Martin was famous for a lot of things and and we'll get into that in just a second but one more thing
00:55:18
that that Martin was saying was that luciferians resent uh what they resent the most as interference with someone
00:55:24
they regard as their own adding that his friend believed that his life was in danger for weeks leading up to his death
00:55:34
uh he says that we I don't know who we are when he says we but he says we are all convinced beyond anything that
00:55:43
father Coons was killed in hatred of the Faith as punishment and as an example for the rest of us I'm assuming he means
00:55:51
uh we as in Priest that's what I would assume he also states that a week before the murder a woman who was certain her
00:56:01
middle-aged son was demonically possessed was referred to Father Al Coons foreign exorcism
00:56:10
and this was going to be done he was referred by a bishop in Minnesota the woman and her son had not yet arrived as
00:56:20
of the night before Coons had died Martin also said Coons was afraid for his life for weeks leading up to the
00:56:27
murder it sounds to me Captain like it's a little unclear in my notes but it sounds to me like this this will maybe
00:56:34
get some more clear notes this woman had made some kind of appointment right to meet with him because you know it does
00:56:40
state that they had not arrived to meet with coons before his death yeah but you
00:56:45
know uh old Alfred doesn't write anything down so we don't know um that would it's funny when you're saying he doesn't
00:56:53
write anything down I'm like well really who writes a lot of stuff down but yes you would write down appointments for an
00:57:01
exorcism or or to to discuss an exorcism you think you think if you're gonna have
00:57:07
a fight with a a man possessed by the devil you're gonna you know you're gonna Mark that down on the calendar you're
00:57:14
going to get up every day and you're gonna chug your eggs and you're gonna run up the stairs my calendar is not
00:57:20
very complete but I would I would be I would be dreading the arrival of that day my next next Wednesday it's on like
00:57:28
Donkey Kong well okay so should we talk a little bit about um let's talk a little bit about Martin
00:57:34
for a second uh before we get into uh okay it's other theories Martin is the priest that's giving the the interview
00:57:42
with the radio yeah and and I don't want to go into this all the way because I don't fully understand it there's
00:57:50
probably a lot of intricate work things with inside the Catholic church that we are unaware of
00:57:56
um but you know there have been people that have questioned this Maliki Martin his uh authenticity as being a priest uh
00:58:05
his authenticity has having been a quote-unquote Vatican Insider we're not going to debate that on this show but I
00:58:12
do want to throw that out there to let you know there has been this talk uh you can certainly look into Maliki Martin as
00:58:18
much as you want there's a lot of information out there on him he was a a best-selling author uh apparently he had
00:58:25
asked for special permission to from the church to become an author um the the thing here is where I think
00:58:32
you see the problem with Martin is a lot of his books were talking about Satanism
00:58:39
being involved in the hierarchy of the Catholic Church as well as sex scandals and um these the pedophilia that you had
00:58:48
talked about being involved in the church he had several uh best-selling books and maybe that's why the church
00:58:56
pushed him away or kept him at arm's length but as you said he was known for his exorcisms he was known to be a big
00:59:04
proponent of reminding everybody every chance he got that there is a constant battle between good and evil going on
00:59:11
and there are people out there that are getting uh possessed by these demons and
00:59:15
he was leading and assisting in many exorcisms and and wrote several books uh whether you know most of them are
00:59:24
considered to be fiction works of fiction but he says that a lot of his works are based based off of experiences
00:59:32
that he had well but it also kind of makes you wonder you know if this guy has connections
00:59:37
with the church what is his motivation I mean he has some motives here too I mean
00:59:42
let's let's just assume let's just hypothetically right right hypothetically uh Alfred coons get some
00:59:49
information that there is some um you know some touchy touchy going on with some priest right and he is going to and
00:59:57
maybe he's presenting this evidence to to some people uh I actually heard that he actually sent some stuff to the
01:00:04
bishop before so if they looked into this information that father Coons gave them there was some validity to it and
01:00:11
they didn't do anything about it and then he then contacted him and said hey what are you doing about this right that
01:00:17
would be if again connections with the bishop connections with you know the Vatican or whatever that would be a
01:00:24
reason oh well he was killed by Satanist well actually he was killed by priests but we're going to call him Satanist and
01:00:32
that's our cover-up you know he was killed by the church but hey guys you was killed by satanists so that would be
01:00:39
a motive there um for him lying but uh but I don't know well but the thing here is I think you
01:00:48
know I see Maliki Martin as he you know and maybe it's not all over the shop but he he seems to be presenting
01:00:57
almost two different arguments that kind of I guess they intertwine each other at
01:01:02
some point because he you know he states that um you know it was known that the format
01:01:07
of that hour-long radio show that Catholic Family Hour show was going to be modified uh Martin I guess was it was
01:01:15
at times aghast a regular guest on the show um and he was labeled as an expert on
01:01:22
deviate sex Rings within the Catholic Church um stating that the Knight Coons was
01:01:28
murdered was the exact same night that kunz's friend Father Charles Fiore was going to take over the Catholic Family
01:01:35
Hour show fiori planned this is according to Martin Fiore planned to begin exposing satanic pedophile Rings
01:01:43
within the Catholic Church uh Fiore was in a perfect position to collect Intelligence on deviate sex Rings both
01:01:52
inside and outside of the Catholic church because of his participation in what Martin says is the or calls the
01:01:59
council for National policy well so everything I just said makes zero sense then well so basically
01:02:06
because what because then that wouldn't be a cover-up right because if he found this bad stuff then his then this guy is
01:02:13
not covering it up because what he's stating is if if there if if he was killed and it was satanic it it does not
01:02:21
exclude um people of the church right that there are say there are satanic organizations
01:02:28
outside of the church and then there are some inside the church and he was saying
01:02:33
that the satanic ring of pedophiles and the church possibly could be um who's responsible for killing father
01:02:43
Coons yeah and I think that's Martin you know reminding us is is or pointing out
01:02:48
to us asking us the question is this is this complete is it just coincidence that that Coons is killed on the same
01:02:57
night that fiori takes over the radio show and Fiori's planning on discussing this this crazy topic right
01:03:05
um and you know was so was Coons killed uh to to shut up Coons his work that he was doing behind the scenes to the
01:03:12
reports he were filing with people and as a warning to fiori um to not go out with this information
01:03:19
now according to to uh Martin and to others um fiori then changed his plans for that
01:03:28
radio show after the of course well he did well we can say of course he did but we also we don't know exactly what his
01:03:37
plans were you know it's one thing for it's one thing for Martin to say this is what he was planning to do it's it's
01:03:42
another thing right if that was actually um the case yeah does anybody write this
01:03:48
stuff down yeah so so Martin I mean these are these are interesting theories uh Martin is certainly a um and I don't
01:03:55
want don't anybody get get mad at me on this I didn't we weren't able to spend a
01:03:59
lot of time on this Martin guy he had a very extensive career he had a lot of um ins and outs with the Catholic church
01:04:07
I don't know the specifics of all of those um but he was what I would say a controversial character
01:04:14
um Martin died in 1999 so not long after the death of Father Alfred Coons well he he passed away of a stroke uh
01:04:25
that was prompted by a fall um as he prepared for an exorcism according to a close associate that
01:04:33
doesn't sound fishy at all well according to this associate and this is coming from Martin uh as he's lying in a
01:04:40
hospital bed just shortly before his death Martin says and and he he adamantly says that the fall felt more
01:04:50
like a deliberate Act of an unseen evil force than an accident at the time the associate who was at Martin's bedside
01:04:58
when he died later quoted him as shouting at one point when asked about the incident he says no I did not fall I
01:05:07
tell you my legs were pulled out from under me right so sadly Martin has passed away in 1999. now regarding the
01:05:15
calf mutilation um that certainly does seem to me let's not jump around here so with with his stroke he's stating
01:05:27
somebody pulled his legs out from under him well he says an evil and unseen evil
01:05:32
force um he says that it feels like pulled his legs out from him he should have been in
01:05:38
person again he said he's he was uh he was I believe he was reaching for a book like he had climbed up on a stool and he
01:05:46
was at his one of those you know fancy bookshelves at these successful people have
01:05:51
um and he knows he'll have one of those our bookshelves are short yeah his you have to actually dig to guitars
01:06:00
he's standing on a stool and first of all any listener out there even if especially the older crowd don't stand
01:06:08
on stools okay let's just let's not stand they're not very safe to stand up don't let her carpool carpool don't
01:06:16
stand up don't stand on stools and go to the Fish Fry on Friday all right okay so
01:06:21
Martin he's on this stool and he says that he felt that his legs were pulled out from underneath of him he was
01:06:26
preparing for an exorcism um I don't know you know I I watched a documentary on Martin and a lot of this
01:06:33
is possible a lot of his close people well he firmly believed in these demonic possessions so of course he did I mean
01:06:40
why would you do exorcists if you didn't and if so if you believe in that then I
01:06:44
guess that it's not too much of a leap to believe that that they could be coming after him
01:06:50
um as he's trying to help these people um the thing here though is you know Close Associates of his according to the
01:06:59
documentary I watched it was called the Hostage to the devil or something like that
01:07:04
um they believe that the the exorcisms were taking a physical toll on this uh Maliki Martin throughout his years that
01:07:12
he would that he was having health problems because because he was involved in these exorcisms why I'm I'm assuming
01:07:19
that Exorcist is kind of stressful I mean God if they're anything like they portrayed in the uh documentary demons I
01:07:28
don't even relate yourself demons yeah if you're hosting an exorcism down the street from me could you make it well
01:07:35
known so I can leave the state I don't want to be anywhere near those things you probably have been near one you just
01:07:41
didn't know it I've got some family members that I think might need an exorcism oh Jesus
01:07:49
uh so here's the thing Captain what are your thoughts on this calf mutilation I mean it's certainly an act like that
01:07:57
killing I'm not a I'm not a vegan killing us a a younger animal uh and that manner certainly sounds like
01:08:06
something and I'll use a George W term here one of my favorite comic book terms sounds like something that an evil doer
01:08:13
or group of evil doers would would do would perform uh it seems like a really unnecessary thing of violence you know
01:08:22
and and that's maybe that's why the the farmer believed it would be an act of some kind of cult
01:08:30
yeah it's interesting to me one I'd want to know um did the farmer have any exchanges
01:08:36
with anybody where maybe he did something wrong you know uh so that's a possibility there uh are they connected
01:08:46
it's very possible I mean we got we have like in the same town a very small town
01:08:52
we have a animal with its throat slit and then we have a uh freeze the next day yeah rough roughly
01:09:00
15 miles away from one another roughly 24 hours uh apart yeah are they connected possibly it could be the same
01:09:08
individual to do I think it that's a sign of it being satanic I I don't believe so you know I I you know
01:09:18
that's all based off your you know this case is so difficult because you know religion is such a personal thing that
01:09:26
you know it's like um you know if somebody said to me well this this person killed a a calf and
01:09:33
then it killed a person and that that those acts are satanic those are acts of the devil well I I would agree with you
01:09:41
you know uh so does that make it Satanic you see what I'm saying right and I think you I want to hit on something
01:09:48
that you that you chimed in there about was you know did this farmer have any grievances with somebody in the area
01:09:56
because to me you know calf mutilation and caps animal sacrifice sounds and I hate to you know
01:10:04
it sounds a little more teenager you know a little more teenager satanic cult kind of thing to me that's where my gut
01:10:12
goes with that um as far as the mutilation did did this farmer have any problems with somebody
01:10:18
because and I hate to use this word when I'm referring to a living animal but this is how the law would see it the
01:10:25
calf is a form of property of this farmer and you know much like much like people that dislike one another or or
01:10:33
have some grievance against one another uh might destroy someone's property while somebody destroyed the the
01:10:39
property and this being the the calf which could be a valuable piece of property
01:10:45
um especially to oh yeah it's an asset you know so I think when you think of it in those terms yes it's an asset and so
01:10:53
it'd be like if you did me wrong or you owed me money and you don't have the money for me to collect
01:10:59
well I'll hurt you in your wallet by killing this animal and it's a horrible thing and it takes a horrible person to
01:11:05
do that act and I think that the timing of the two are really what have to link them for me
01:11:12
you know if if the calf mutilation was a week before three days before ten days before I might not not might not see any
01:11:19
type of connection but being so close in the manner of death being the same um is disturbing and it really it's a
01:11:29
real big hiccup in this investigation for me it's something that I think the timing but I also think what's really
01:11:35
interesting is the not just the day but the hours you know they claim that the calf um calf killing would have happened
01:11:44
after 10 pm to 4 a.m correct same with Father kunz's murder so to me that that's very suspicious it's
01:11:55
it's very strange it's a strange occurrence um and it's something like I said it's a
01:11:59
hiccup for me when I look at other things in this case I come back to that and I'm going still a little uncertain
01:12:05
on how I feel about the if there is a connection between the two my gut says no um that there's probably not a
01:12:13
connection to the two the the investigators at the time um say that there is nothing that they
01:12:18
didn't find any type of connection between the two between the calf and well again both it's killing being
01:12:27
killed by slitting somebody's throat or animal's throat and I think the thing here
01:12:32
is uh as far as satanic if it's satanic right my thought would just like I said before I just you know if somebody be
01:12:42
based off their religious beliefs said well murder is satanic or whatever okay fine that's that's your viewpoints on
01:12:49
this to me how it could just be some sick individual that got a new knife or whatever
01:12:56
was wandering around town after 10 p.m when the whole town probably shut down back in the day for all the young
01:13:04
listeners back in the day towns actually shut down like you got you know you could get about 10 p.m everything got
01:13:10
pretty dark uh so it could have been just some sick individual that got some knife right was
01:13:16
walking around by a farm and was like you know what I'm gonna try to kill something
01:13:22
and that's a sick individual that's a sick piece of [ __ ] and that same individual
01:13:28
could have then been walking by the church sees the father dropped off and things to himself
01:13:35
well I killed an animal let me see if I can kill a person and there's people I mean we've covered how many cases
01:13:42
there's people on this world that are that messed up well there's also people that will take out insurance on you know
01:13:49
racing horses or different kinds of valuable animals that they have and then burn down the stall for the uh the
01:13:58
insurance money um I don't know this guy's situation or the cow situation it's sad for for the
01:14:04
cow obviously um but yeah my gut says that that there's probably no um connection now the thing here though
01:14:12
Captain would you think that if if Coons were killed by Satanist or or like Martin might suggest a specific group of
01:14:20
satanists the luciferians do you think is it is it the same as an act of terrorism and what I mean by that is
01:14:27
because we see you know we've unfortunately come accustomed to acts of terrorism in this day and age
01:14:34
and the terrorists are usually pretty quick to claim what they've done where with the the murder of father Alfred
01:14:41
Coons does it make you wonder would they would they have set up the crime scene in a
01:14:48
way that would suggest it was carried out by satanists would there have been some indication of that at the crime
01:14:54
scene yeah but I I believe law enforcement probably would have brought that to the Forefront earlier
01:15:03
um so I think that's where we got a lot of other stuff that we need to get into uh at the end of the day I don't think
01:15:09
um I don't know if it was satanic acts like you said I think that there would be some kind of signature if it was a
01:15:15
satanic act maybe not the calf murder maybe that would just be uh uh you know we're killing a calf
01:15:23
right but as far as with the priest I think there would be some kind of signature that's left to say hey this is
01:15:31
a this is a satanic cult that's doing this well we have several different theories and a couple of suspects to
01:15:37
discuss still on the board in the garage for this week we will have to do that on
01:15:42
tomorrow's show so we will see you tomorrow in the garage we want to thank all of you for listening yes thanks for
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listening thanks for telling a friend thanks for sharing stuff on social media I mean it just helps I mean we can't
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thank you enough for the show uh blowing up as much as it has thank you Captain we will see everybody back here in the
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garage tomorrow until then be good be kind and don't litter and make sure you carpool and make sure you don't stand on
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the fools foreign [Music] [Applause]