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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] I love that intro you know I have or had
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thanks two of our hoodies mhm so one that I wear and I wear it often you know in the colder months but the second one
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I gave away because uh we kind of mentioned this on our show there were so many people that that like wanted the
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hoodies clearly wanted them because then you brought them back and because we received so many emails of people saying
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hey I I I didn't buy one for whatever reason so I gave one to a friend of mine because she failed to get one actually I
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think her husband was supposed to buy her one yeah but he but but he he did what so many other people did they
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didn't think that the sale was actually going to end and so he didn't get one I tried to do my buddy a solid and so I
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gave him the the second one I had that I wasn't wearing I hadn't wore it yet but
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this was an extra large men's hoodie mhm so what backfired like he thought he's like oh I'm going to be
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like super husband because she's going to get a hoodie that she really wanted but when he gave it to her it's for like
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a giant man and so she was is a little upset like you think I'm this this is what size you think I am you think I'm
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you think I'm fat you think I'm Colonel size yeah that's what that's extra crispy konel yeah good for your buddy
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yeah so hopefully I I'm going to I'm going to text him and tell him hey they're they're they're selling again
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get one s write the ship my friend it's selling like hot cakes my friend we've been looking for an excuse to talk about
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mine hunter and you found found it for us cuz this is a subject that we bring up from time to time when we have our
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little weekly phone calls well here's the thing okay so super busy with the show
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mhm I think when we started I don't think I ever thought would be this busy cuz we never thought when we started we
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weren't this busy we were actually doing the show and we weren't this busy yeah but I think it's because we didn't think
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it would take off right like I kind of thought like maybe some people will listen and and we'll keep doing our jobs
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and and and keep finding our way through this world but this there'll be this other thing that we do mhm yeah but now
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we're doing three shows a week yeah three shows a week and then on top of that I mean the amount of emails and
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then keeping up with the store and the websites and then now that we've covered so many cases now keeping up with the
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updates on the old case es um social media is just out of hand I mean we get messages every day that that we can't
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even get to so yeah so but that being said Netflix has become one of my best friends well
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cuz it's just sitting there waiting for you whenever you're ready to turn it on and enjoy something to watch it's just
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it's just all kind of parked right there for you I'm a big Prime guy myself uh I
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like I like to the only confusing thing for me is I get confused on whether things are on Netflix or prime for you
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know future viewing so I have to do a lot of hunting and searching around well I love the fact that they're small
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series they might be a eight parter or a 10 parter so you can really dive into the show within let's say a week if
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you're if you have a slow week and you're and you're going to relax and and plus too what I like to do is when I'm
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working on the music for the shows I like to turn something on watch it while I start creating some
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music and then I'll pause the or even just have something in the background like so you don't feel like you're in an
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empty room yeah and I I loved uh atypical which was on Netflix um that wasn't crimer related at all I really
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liked Ozark a ton MH and I'm not that type of show suspense um kind of Lobster type shows
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not into them but Ozark was fabulous Jason baitman is a goddamn genius and then mind Hunter which I thought okay
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cuz this storyline you know was in book it's been in movie form it's been hinted
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at in different movie forms I didn't think I was going to like it first episode I was like main character don't
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like mhm by the second episode hooked well and you like the main character now yeah I mean he's not my favorite
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character on the show but okay the the older cop is absolutely my favorite Bill what's his character's name Bill Dench
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or something like something like that and then Bill Bill tench I'm sorry yeah and then on top of that the cars we've
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talked about it before but it's like the the time period of the 70s and they're always they're constantly going from
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town to town so they're Ren cars mhm so you constantly get to see these different cars that you haven't seen in
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in years and years this is probably a show that I've recommended I don't know to I mean it
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feels like to everybody that you know I love getting into those conversations of
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H what should I watch or I just finished this and this and it was great and now I'm looking for something else I love
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those conversations so this one probably other than True Detective season one uh
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this is like my f True True Detective season 1 is probably the best thing that's ever been on TV but but it's also
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like 20 some episodes so it's it's a commitment yes you and here's the bad thing about Netflix though is uh I had a
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friend Emma from Australia tell me to watch Gypsy I was like three episodes in it
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was a pile of dog [ __ ] and then like but then I I need did to know the ending right so I fast
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forward through like I'd start the episode fast through you know fast forward through the song um they' start
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talking I kind of know what's going on so I'd fast forward and then I just basically fast forward through the next
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like five episodes or whatever and then you get to the end and it was still a huge pile of dog [ __ ] I was still mad at
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her for suggesting that show I was talking with somebody Friday night and they said they were watching something I
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can't remember the name of it uh I did I purposely didn't remember the name of it
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because he was like it's no good and I'm like oh I'm like okay well why did you mention that you know what I mean like
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we were all standing around talking about stuff we're watching and he goes it's no good and I go oh did you know
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did you bail on it he goes well I'm about four and a half episodes into it and I keep I keep returning and trying
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to make my way through it I said why he goes I had a couple people tell me it was good I'm waiting for it to get good
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how long are you going to wait for it to get good yeah so and I think the weird thing too is
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when it's a eight-part series or a 10p part series some of the shows like Ozark because of the style of the show mhm
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it's a suspense show it has there's a lot of drama there's a lot every episode is kind of like oh [ __ ] mhm and then
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sometimes these these eight part 10p part series there's a couple slower episodes and but when there's some
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really um Dynamic episodes with the other series I think it kind of hurts the format well
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we've been waiting for M Hunter to come back on and for those of you not aware of what it is it's weird because um I
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think I think a good amount of our garage friends listen or watch mine hunter and if they don't I think it
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would work well for for a lot of them um but it's I the general description I give it the most plain and simple is
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it's like the more adult version more True Crime version of Criminal Minds you know the I think that's on like CBS or
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some one of the big networks I think the thing here is um especially you know like we're
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talking about earlier is being so engrossed into the podcast and and having to kind of put ourselves in the
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True Crime World almost every day whether we want to or not it was kind of a weird thing because I was getting
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burned out on True Crime and even though it's a true crime show it's it's not a true crime show it's a crime show but I
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think because that it's fiction that it kind of like reboosted me into what we were doing like and and and realizing
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that you know the premise of the show basically is that there's these two detectives these two FBI agents and they
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have to go around telling people in in police departments about different techniques that the FBI
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uses and that's their main job and on top of that they're starting to try to um look at the idea of usage
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psychology and profiling profiling these killers so they can get ahead of of them
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so when they're looking uh for suspects and stuff that they can use psychology and it's kind of about how the FBI
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starts implementing that into um their their tactics well yeah and and trying to one get ahead of the curve in the
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sense of if they have a Serial murder situation how do they investigate it but also catching up in the way that look
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the the FBI figured out at some point that the 1900s what that brought with the uh with cars and new technology
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what that brought was the the huge increase of stranger on Stranger crimes and murders right and then also more uh
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serial murders and I actually was I was listening to somebody give a talk last week and he referred to the to the uh I
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think he he he chose the 70s 80s and 90s he said that 30-year span was like the the Golden Age of serial killers uh and
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he was talking about how many more of them and how more active they were back then as compared to today and then he
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gave his thoughts on why he thought that was why did we see such a jump and increase during that and we don't have
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to we don't have to rely on memory too much to start thinking of a lot of the very famous serial killers that came
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around that we you know that we became aware of during those 30 years Bundy gayy yeah and so this is the their
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thought of in in the true story of how the FBI decided hey you know let's teach investigative tools to different local
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law enforcement officers in departments so they can learn how to investigate murders better and have increased their
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solve rate but then on top of that it's these guys uh just a couple guys along with the psychiatrist I don't I can't
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recall her name but it's a small group of people people that said you know what what we should do is interview the ones
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that we already know about go to the prisons and let's talk to them and let's figure out get inside their minds a
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little bit inside their brains and figure out what's going on with them what makes them tick what makes them
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kill how do they get how can we catch them faster all that kind of stuff and the interesting thing and the thing that
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you and I kind of joked about which was so weird because season one the guy that
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played I I should have like jotted down some of these actors names and stuff but the guy that
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played Ed keer like you and I like it was weird because we you kind of want to he seems so nice
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and friendly when he plays that character that you want to kind of just sit at a kitchen table with him and eat
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pizza and shoot the [ __ ] but then you have to remind yourself hey this this dude in real life killed 10 people well
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I didn't have to remind myself cuz he I think he does a good job of being um scary at times yeah just the size of the
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man pure size of the yeah I mean big big boy mhm uh yeah but yeah it's definitely
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uh but he's does such a great job and there's so many great acting moments in the show and the thing that's really
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interesting is like we were saying before I think um when we're talking about I was
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confused because they were interviewing actual killers and if you look at like the Ed keer like interview in mind
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Hunter it's pretty much the same as it is if you look at the real interview on YouTube mhm like it's almost the same
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words mhm I didn't know that the little cases in between that they were solving were actual real cases well and you
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remember the one with the rock uh where they brought the rock into the interrogation room and that was um
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uh the main character's idea to do that it's it's interesting and I tell you what I recommend anybody read the actual
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book mind Hunter by John Douglas because that's where a lot of these stories in season 1 come from or actual cases that
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he worked and I believe and I've said this before I believe Bill tench that character the the older gentleman who I
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I do enjoy him very much like he's he he really holds the show from but uh I believe he's playing Robert K wrestler
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who was another very famous accomplished uh FBI profiler and agent who helped solve and work so many cases throughout
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his lengthy career but so a bit long overdue it feels like for me anyway wanting season two to come come out
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because I I mean I've been looking forward to this since I wrapped up watching season one so much so that I
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watched season one twice and so I found an article Captain I thought we could just kind of chat
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through it here but it's it's somebody asking you know this this place asking questions about when to expect season 2
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what's going on with season two of Mind Hunter yeah I think that's the tough thing with the Netflix series is that
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first they have to put them out and then they have to see if they're well received and not just well watched
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because just because something's watched a bunch doesn't mean that anybody's going to watch season too if people
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think it's a pile of dog [ __ ] well this article this is the first time I actually saw this in print this was
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something I had heard before but this kind of backs it up they were saying that mine
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hunter um season two it was already renewed to do a second season before this first season
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even came out so meaning whoever made this thing and that Netflix itself the Big Wigs there probably have decided hey
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it's that good we're going to trust this and we're going to put out at least two seasons of
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it to see if it takes hold I think season 1 was successful enough that I think they're they're feeling good that
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they already renewed for season 2 before season 1 came out now the release date that's what I want to know when when is
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it going to be released and according to this article they are referencing an old
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interview with people working on mind Hunter who said that it will be out next year and these people took that to mean
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late next year I couldn't remember where I had read this or seen this but you and
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I had this conversation before I swear I saw somewhere I read somewhere months and months ago that it was slated for
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November of 2018 for season 2 but I don't there's technically no actual confirmed release date at this moment
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right so yeah they talked to uh Cameron written I I believe is his name that played Ed keer okay and I think they
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interviewed four different Sero Killers within the show it was Ed keer Monty uh wristle Russell or Russell yeah well
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it's r i SS he's the one that um he was killing girls in his truck or out just out you know chasing them into the woods
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from his truck and then Speck that yeah he was the nurse killer in um Illinois yeah he was more of a onot guy who was
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the shoe guy Jerry brutos yeah that the actor that played him happy Anderson is his name his real name's happy Anderson
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yeah that that guy did a great job that guy he did a great job because he's so damn creepy well the thing is with uh
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the with Cameron Britton doing such a great job with Ed keer I think happy Anderson kind of got overlooked
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I I age I think I mean out of those two you could argue though that there he he would go round for round with him oh I
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definitely I remember when he came on cuz he's a big dude too yeah that guy oh man that's I'm having flashbacks
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of what he did through those shoes well and all four of those people that we just referenced are real life serial
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killers that were interviewed by the FBI after they were put away for their crimes right and they've based a lot of
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their investigative uh tools and things that they use going forward and how they
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profile a lot of these guys based off of those interviews that they did specifically I mean Ed keer was one of
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those dudes he loved to talk to him right he you didn't have to beg and pull answers out of him he would sit and talk
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to you and he he's so matter of fact and he was that way in real life and the actor who portrayed him did such a great
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job job of just being he sounds like he's sipping coffee reading the Sunday newspaper telling you about stories that
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do not involve him yet the story in the subject matter is him murdering a a co-ed yeah you wonder how much of that
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is how much medicine they put these you know individuals on um or if it's that you're in jail you're locked up it's
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done and and at at some point the more days that you drift from the crime mhm you know what I mean like it's almost
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like it probably on some level doesn't even feel real well I think they did a good job of
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kind of showing some of that because and it and this is what H happened in real life too so you have Ed keer who was
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always kind of a police wannabe um one of the reasons why he didn't uh end up becoming a police officer was his mother
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told him he was too tall he was too big to be a police officer so he didn't pursue it the way that most would pursue
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their career Dreams yeah even though in the show they they the setup there is that the police told him he was too tall
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yeah and the thing though with with with keer he he was the type that he wanted to hang out with the FBI and he wanted
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to talk to him so there was no problem getting information and answers from him he was even very like accommodating like
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hey if you guys show up I'll provide the food so we can sit here and chat as long
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as possible and then you have somebody like Jerry brutos who was different he wanted to sit down and play a game with
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him he wanted to kind of tease them and he was only going to give them information if they gave him things
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right you know if they gave him things in in return and if they played his game and he also didn't mind trying to upset
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the agents and the officers and try to piss him off well and I think that's what made keer different yeah is that he
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was interested in the conversation where a lot of these guys again I I for whatever reason I I I think keer did his
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crimes they were done with he was done with those crimes as far as his attachment to them this is just my
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speculation and I think these other individuals thought hey there might be one day that I get out I'm not done
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killing I'm not done doing what I'm doing right um and so now you got these FBI agents that want to talk to me I'm
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going to use this to my advantage mhm so season 2 here's what we're according to
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this article Captain here's what we're supposed to expect from season 2 so season one was 10 episodes hopefully
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less sex they're going to shorten it to eight episodes for season two that's kind of a bummer yeah and but here's on
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the upside it says here that the Holt Mallen mcy sorry hope I jotted down his name I
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kind of scribbled it he's the guy that plays Bill tench yeah apparently he has told somebody in an interview that he's
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been told that they want to do five seasons if everything goes as planned and everybody Tunes in and watches that
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the idea is that they will do five seasons of Mind Hunter and I don't know we need to get on this show I don't know
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does that mean does it get shorter each year or they going to just base the number of episodes around what's going
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on during that time frame you know with the characters what's what's going on in
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their FBI career because what it says here is things that we should expect are uh
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Marilyn Marilyn Manson Charles Manson Marilyn Manson's going to be on the show Tex
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Watson um which is interesting because they did reference Charles Manson in EP in the first season yeah they did uh
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I've never been been that interested in Manson though well I think Manson would be kind of like a a peak moment for
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season 2 I bet you the way that I would guess that they would do this they probably interview Tex Watson first and
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then Charles Manson second just for to build the uh excitement right I don't know I don't know what order they
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interviewed them in real life and all they say in season one is you you see a lot of this um this every episode you
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see random scenes of this individual um and they don't tell you who the individual is and even when you
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look at the cast of characters they just list this individual as a ADT serviceman
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yeah the ADT servic man or ADT man right and we know him that that's the BTK killer we know that you know through
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research right but so he's in season 1 but but never speaks and we I don't think they actually show him
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perpetrating any crimes do they no well they show him a couple times where he's in somebody's house with duct tape and
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gloves on and and nobody comes home which which happened like he remember he gets all mad and like pounds his chest
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and he leaves did did he do that in the show yeah yeah okay so so we know that BTK could be a part of season
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two hopefully he's a part of season two well that would be interesting because um I think what they're they're
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going to focus in on is the Atlanta child murders right which which is very cool because they were super involved in
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that now with it only being Eight Episodes I'm wondering how many episodes is that going to take up because they
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were there for a long time we're talking about they they were involved in the investigation the apprehension and the
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conviction way Williams you think that's in this season that's what according to
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um uh David Fincher right one of The Producers yeah he told billboard magazine well hold on producer and
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director he's director he told billboard magazine that um that the Atlanta child
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murders will be involved in season 2 okay and so I'm guessing it's going to be a lot of because this went on from 79
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to 81 yeah but that see that's what I'm wondering because I told somebody if they're going to be Geniuses right
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have BTK where you show glimpses of him in the season one do it again in season to
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don't get into hunting you know hunting for BTK yet well but if they're if they're going
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to follow real life then they actually won't be involved with BTK that much which is you know I mean it's
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interesting that yeah but he's in the show so we know he's unless they just like write that off completely but that
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would be weird no no no no no that's not what I mean I don't mean that it's never
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going to be a part of the show it clearly obviously is what I'm saying is in real life that the FBI was more
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consulted than um involved right and so I think if I'm just going off of memory here I think that the first time that
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the FBI was contacted I could be completely wrong but what I seem to remember is that the FBI was contacted
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and got involved and offer offered advice to the police departments back in 1976 which um you know and like I said
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they had some involvement in and out of the case throughout the years but it's such a long lengthy case that like you
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said they could work in and they could show Dennis Raider committing some of his atrocities right in season 2 they
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could show some loose investigative stuff in season 2 maybe not even until season 3 well I guess they would have to
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talk if they follow the real life story they would have to talk to the FBI sometime in season 2 because the Atlanta
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child murders took place after the first time law enforcement spoke to the FBI regarding BTK in 76 but with this taking
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so long you could have you could potentially not have apprehension of Dennis Raider and till the final season
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season five well that's what I'm saying that's what would make the show dope right is like just keep him going
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through and maybe that's their playing I mean if one of the main characters was saying in an interview they want to try
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to push this to Five Seasons and you know here's what's great is if you're doing like a show like let's say friends
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or Seinfeld right you don't know exactly what the end is going to be or or when you're going to slow down or when you're
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going to get tired of it but if if you know we're doing mine hunter and there's five seasons here's the start here's the
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end you can manipulate it a lot more um what did you think about the uh soundtrack to M Hunter I thought it was
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I thought it was good um I just want to give this guy props because I I really liked it uh and he's new he's actually
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pretty new to film his name is Jason Hill he did some stuff with uh The Killers did some stuff with David Bowie
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uh Robbie Williams you probably know that jet um I was I I was and am a big Jet fan and a New York doll so he's done a
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lot of stuff in the in the pop rock world and but what's cool is his first film score was Gone Girl which is a
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pretty big yeah I mean hey we're going to give you a film score go with gong girl we know it and they knew Gone Girl
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was going to be a Smash Hit and now his his second composing um Endeavor is on mind Hunter which is which is wow you
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know he hit the lottery but hey uh uh Jason Hill if you need any help contact me Captain at True Crime garage hey and
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I'm happy to just kind of sit there and listen with a clipboard offer uh opinions unwanted opinions yeah the
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colonel he will go get us beer that's right Chinese food whatever we need so cigars they're going to have to get
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somebody to play Charles Manson which will be interesting to see who they cast for that and I know you you know that
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doesn't really do much for you but we know that I just think he's a yeah but you know the interview is
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going to be interesting okay I'm going to say this I'm probably going to get a lot of [ __ ] but here's here's what I
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think the fact that he didn't kill anybody that he didn't like actually physically kill anybody well he may have
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killed an officer or um well we don't know that for sure or one of the uh somebody that lived nearby I I I haven't
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looked at that case in a long time but no I get what you're saying like he's he's and here's the thing it's it's the
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people that are weird that have like some kind of they love the celebrity of serial killers and the the celebrity of
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murder which I've never understood this is not like watching slasher films this is not like Freddy Krueger or Jason mik
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these are not people to cheer on these are not people to have a favorite of or to wear a shirt that says remember kids
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Charlie loves you you know and and I get what you're saying but those people that
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that celebriti murderers that that make you know believe them to be somebody special well they that group holds
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Charles Manson in a high regard and it's just annoying it's just annoying cuz if
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you really wanted to set some kind of pecking order as far as these individuals go you and I know from
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enough of what we've done and looked into he's kind of just a low-level scumbag who's really good at conning
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people reading people's emotions and feelings and manipulating them to do his [ __ ] and he's just kind of crazy he kind
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he's just kind of crazy and weak right but I actually don't think he was good at any of that I actually don't think he
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was that intelligent at all uh I think it was mainly during a time where people were using psychedelic drugs and then
00:31:18
he's the weirdo that everybody's falling around I mean I I do find it very interesting his connections with the
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beach boys and their management teams um the fact that Brian Wilson instantly said that this there's something
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completely evil about this guy and and I think possibly Brian Wilson saw that stuff because he was on so many uh
00:31:40
hallucinogenics and all that stuff but uh but no but it's like if you said put me in a you know here you got to go in a
00:31:48
room and you got to out of these 10 Killers you got to you know put you know you're going to be locked in the cell
00:31:55
with one of them mhm I take man that's fine I would not be scared either like they go you got to go in the cell and I
00:32:02
go okay it's Manson here we go well and from my understanding Manson was pretty afraid himself like he right i' walk
00:32:09
into that cell I kick the living [ __ ] out of him and then after he got back up
00:32:14
then I kick the [ __ ] out of him again and then I make him sing me some of his shitty songs then I make fun of his
00:32:20
shitty songs and then I tell him how the Beach Boys hated him everybody hates him
00:32:24
he's not going to get a record deal then I kick his ass again he was I believe he
00:32:28
was allowed to leave his cell for I think one hour a day and from everything I read and stuff that I found he would
00:32:39
usually turn that privilege down daily and often he would only leave his cell a couple of times a month to do things
00:32:47
like shower or whatever because he he was so afraid that somebody was going to take him out like he was the dude was
00:32:54
really just a big [ __ ] is all well the the problem there is because he he he wanted to be famous so then when he got
00:33:01
the when they Shine the Light on him and they're like oh man and he's crazy and people started idolizing him he started
00:33:08
playing into that well and then they right but by by playing into that then you get some real badass dudes that are
00:33:15
like I'm going to kill this [ __ ] and if I kill him then I become famous well I'm looking forward to the
00:33:22
interview because you know that's they're going to sit down on M Hunter and interview Charles Manson's character
00:33:28
and I think that's going to be interesting it could be as interesting and weird as the Jerry brutos and Ed
00:33:35
keer interviews um and then they're gonna have to get somebody to play Wayne Williams too the can't we have Ed keer
00:33:42
come back yeah I mean they likely they would talk to him again I would think but I
00:33:47
just have him like on the phone where they could because remember he's like uh let's stay in touch right and it's like
00:33:53
you could get to the point where it's just like even if it didn't happen in the books even if it didn't happen even
00:33:59
in real life he's such a good character that you could just have him call and hey Ed you know and and just have him on
00:34:05
the show MH you know can I have last slice of pizza fellas well the the interesting thing
00:34:14
that John Douglas says in his book when talking about getting ready to go in to interview Ed keer for the first time
00:34:22
that he and uh wrestler were worried they were a little intimidated to interview him not by his size but he had
00:34:31
such a high IQ that he would they were they were they were not used to not being the
00:34:37
smartest guy in the room and Ed you know what his his IQ was his IQ was like EXT
00:34:42
like like insanely high like there's different reports all over the place but and I fancy John Douglas and Robert K
00:34:50
wrestler to be very intelligent individuals but for for those two to recognize that they were not the
00:34:57
smartest guy in the room during the course of that interview and say that that intimidated them because they were
00:35:03
worried how he might be able to manipulate his answers and manipulate them in their research that they're
00:35:10
trying to conduct yeah yeah and I think the difference is like I said I think Ed
00:35:15
was at the point where because of his uh I think he had a pretty high respect for law enforcement
00:35:23
and then on top of that he had respect for the FBI so I think if he didn't have that then
00:35:30
we're looking at a lot of different kind of information that you're going to get
00:35:33
from him but I think he genuinely had respect for the FBI so I think he wanted to help him I think he
00:35:41
and I think he thought that um I don't know maybe this does some good in the world mhm maybe I'm I'm
00:35:50
giving Ed too much credit well no but what's weird about Ed keer is he this is kind of a weird way to put it
00:35:57
but it but he did what many psychiatrists thousands and thousands of psychiatrists and psychologists have
00:36:04
tried to do throughout the years he cured himself of being a serial killer but in the sense that he killed his mom
00:36:13
turned himself in and said look I realized I finally realized all these years I was just trying to kill my mom
00:36:20
had I killed her first I probably wouldn't have killed anybody else you know so what's so weird about him is he
00:36:27
he in a sense did what all these other psychi psychiatrist and psychologists could not do for all these years well
00:36:35
and then an interesting thing on that too because you know you always have to go back to this
00:36:42
idea of Nature and nurture and it's always probably a percentage of each right but you take some kid that maybe
00:36:49
you know 20% likely to become a serial killer but his dad beats the [ __ ] out of
00:36:53
him every day and molest him MH now that percentage goes up higher and I think Ed uh I think had a re this is just my
00:37:03
gut feeling I think Ed had a very small percent in his DNA and everything that of him being becoming a killer mhm and I
00:37:13
think he had a very verb abusive and mentally abusive um mother right and I think that destroyed him and then so
00:37:24
then you get the FBI coming in and talking to you and they're one being friendly with you
00:37:29
showing you respect and and probably giving him some kind of praise for the information they're getting mhm and so I
00:37:37
think again then you go oh well now I'm getting positive feedback and this guy is so intelligent this guy is going to
00:37:42
bring more to the table um than than most people would MH yeah I can't wait I'm very much looking forward to do they
00:37:51
have any other names um no that's all that they said for this but it's but but again so Eight Episodes and if you try
00:37:58
to break it down okay Charles Manson will probably take up one full episode an interview with Tex Watson could take
00:38:08
up the majority of one episode we probably have a little BTK action kind of peppered in throughout season two and
00:38:19
then I would also I would expect the Wayne Williams Atlanta child murders to probably take up three four maybe even
00:38:29
five episodes I mean that kind of fills out season two and you think that's in two
00:38:34
yeah okay that that's what was said according to this Fincher yeah he said okay so then the question is okay you
00:38:42
have to be in a cell with a serial killer who would you be absolutely freaked like
00:38:52
in 5 minutes I'm putting you in a cell with this serial killer no guards no nothing oh I mean there's a very long
00:39:00
list of no but I'm saying like the number one that you're like oh no I don't H I don't know about that I know
00:39:09
I'm kind of scrolling through the worst people to ever walk the planet in my mind right now and trying to think you
00:39:16
got to think size too cuz like size matters it does matter yeah yeah that's what she said uh but I think I mean cuz
00:39:24
Bundy wasn't that big well and there's some debate if he would have had the ability to kill a man I think he
00:39:32
probably would have there's his lawyer said it one time that he Bundy told him he did kill a man at one point right
00:39:40
um but but again he has a type you know what I mean like some of these dudes have a type and they just don't break
00:39:45
that type um child Childers with one I know child Killers don't scare me so you're asking
00:39:54
me who would who would terrify me yeah yeah child Killers don't scare me usually
00:39:59
women Killers don't scare me either I don't I don't know man it's a difficult that's you kind of put me on
00:40:07
the because even like Ed would be weird because how his size there's a guy that's not very well known um and I
00:40:15
think his name is William sap that is a dude that when you said that statement that he kind of popped in
00:40:22
my mind first without like really thinking and going through everything thing he kind of popped in my mind first
00:40:28
because I I've heard interviews and read things with him where he was the kind of
00:40:33
guy that like you remember that old Mega thing killing is my business and business is
00:40:39
good that dude he just like he just kills that's he's just like a killing machine you know what I mean like he
00:40:44
doesn't care who you are what you are what if he decides you're dead you're dead you're you're pretty much going to
00:40:50
die and then who's the Iceman I can't remember his name but we discussed the icean at one point um the he was more of
00:40:58
a Hitman right um that dude would terrify me he's he's quite old now if he's still even still alive he might be
00:41:05
dead um but he uh he was kind of a large dude and he not he was weird because being a Hitman he enjoyed the killing
00:41:15
part of it like he was a serial killer that was getting paid to kill people basically right yeah it's weird because
00:41:21
it you know you get in that cell let's just say you have to be in that cell that doesn't mean that you to fight this
00:41:27
individual but but also like your personalities could Clash real quick right and then you might be fighting
00:41:35
this individual that's that's the cuz I I don't think me and Ed keer would get along at all which is weird
00:41:42
cuz Ed seems like a person that might be fairly easy to get along with but his size is so so intimidating I mean he's
00:41:51
according to Wikipedia he's 6'9 yeah that's that's giant that makes NFL players look small he should have
00:42:00
played the if he had like a a father that was like Hey you go out and play football boy he probably would be like a
00:42:08
professional football player all right you asked me the question so then I throw you on the spot
00:42:12
who well the funny thing is I have a whole list of the the guys that uh I don't I wouldn't mind being in there
00:42:21
with like put me in with Bundy I mean I think I could slip a jab on him uh what's the one from Tony
00:42:32
Muny uh oh wickline is it wickline yeah where he put the head on the nightstand on the nightstand yeah and but but
00:42:42
didn't they have like a bunch of issues with like transporting him well all of the officers were afraid of him yeah and
00:42:50
that's that's very telling because a lot of times officers and detectives are not
00:42:55
afraid of these individuals even very nasty murderers they're not afraid of yeah they're pretty badass this guy they
00:43:01
were afraid of we've had several officers tell us like I think that might be the most dangerous person to ever be
00:43:07
in the state of Ohio yeah and I was thinking about this and I've been trying to spread the word on this and this is
00:43:12
going to sound maybe silly to some people but the the big Advantage cuz cuz somebody said to me like you get these
00:43:21
guys that attack women while they're jogging or whatever right mhm and and their big
00:43:29
Advantage is that they they know that they might have to kill this person right and if you go
00:43:38
into a fight right it's kind of like when you're fighting on the playground and somebody says no kicking in the
00:43:44
balls MH no choking no poking in the eyes mhm then you have this like set of rules but so people this is why I've
00:43:53
been telling everybody if you are a runner if you're a walker a hiker anything carry a knife with you cuz if you get
00:44:02
attacked you need to be able to grab that knife and fight to the death if you have to pepper spray pepper spray is
00:44:09
good Topp because you don't have to engage in close uh you might not have to be that close to them to spray them with
00:44:16
the pepper spray sometimes we'll carry a pepper spray and a knife sometimes the knife gets you in trouble though cuz
00:44:21
it's close quarters combat and and then you end up fighting over the knife that's true but you yeah but but I think
00:44:29
that's the big difference and so it's like when I think if you're going into a room with a killer like you said even
00:44:35
with like the ice man like he he knows how to do it he's done it before he he knows how to get to that level I think
00:44:42
it's hard for a normal human to think to that they have to defend themselves to the death and I think that's that's the
00:44:51
advantage that they would have but yeah I think keer like just size-wise William wickline was his name William
00:44:59
wickline and he he was thankfully he was killed by the state of Ohio uh back in 2004 but he he was convicted of two
00:45:08
murders he probably there's a lot of evidence out there to suggest he may have killed three four five people yeah
00:45:15
wait they said that that the state of Ohio killed him yeah cuz all I remember is them putting me in the cage with that
00:45:23
animal well you said you said you might be afraid of him he he I would be I think he would be on my list for sure
00:45:30
does it say how tall he is yeah I think he he was a pretty big dude and I think that added to why some of these law
00:45:36
enforcement dudes were afraid of him he's I think he was 6'4 yeah that's and but he's referred to as having a a bull
00:45:45
neck which he did I mean when you see pictures of him like his neck looks huge right and he and he's got pretty big
00:45:53
shoulders like he's 6'4 but he's like like one of these big shoulders big neck and kind of wiry after that like he
00:46:01
looks athletic he looks like he can move around and I think that bullneck was extremely intimidating plus I don't I
00:46:07
don't he was not one of these dudes that appeared to have been been like afraid of anybody like I think he liked
00:46:13
intimidating the officers I think he liked saying threatening things to them and like staring them down and stuff
00:46:18
like that like he was a he's a real [ __ ] that [Music] guy [Applause] he