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Crime Check out true crime garage.com and Colonel that is enough of the business all right everybody gather
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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime feel good Mak you feel
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good all right as we are entering 20122 I'm hoping this is the best year ever uh I don't see why it wouldn't be
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the last couple years have been a bit of a drag but uh 2022 is shaping up to be a
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fine year and we here in the garage are just so thankful and grateful to all of you who have kept the ship going for all
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of these years and we're excited about this year but before we move on to 2022 a quick look back at all the things
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that were great on the show in 2021 longtime listeners know that we've done this a couple of times where we
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will review the year and I believe once or twice we've even reviewed the show as
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a whole over 500 shows over 600 if you start counting off the Record where we review some of our best shows that we've
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done in our opinion our humble garage opinions of the best shows that we've done in the last year so uh I never
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thought we'd get to 500 well I never thought that anybody would need to hear us say what we thought our best shows
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were of the year but there's a whole Reddit thread on best True Crime garage shows of by year and by All Time and so
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here we are we're going to give the good people another list to discuss so if you
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haven't heard us do one of these before the way we do it is we each pick five shows that we did or five series that we
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did from the previous year the captain doesn't know what the colonel has picked the colonel never knows anything that
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the captain is going to say anyway so for the very first time we are going through our list here together today yes
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it's a garage party I will be putting some extra stuff in my coffee if you get my drift so if I get a little slurry or
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blurry it's uh keep your eyes on the road well and we like to have a very official and very formal countdown but
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uh we can't seem to get Carlos to show up to work when we requested Carlos for for the longtime listeners Carlos uh
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thought he was underpaid and you know what he probably was he was the best part of the show but
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we got you a sixer that's right so here we go we're going to start off with the colonel
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look our list I don't know if they even matter so if you're listening to the show think back look back get your top
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five together go to our blog at true Crim garage.com and leave your top five list or on social media Twitter Facebook
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Instagram I'll have a post and you can post your top five in the comments I want to see them I know the K wants to
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see them as well so we'll start with number five that's right we want you to prove us wrong all right Colonels number
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five here we go I went with the Zodiac which was a five-part series so very fittingly it falls to number five here
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this came out in early to midm March episodes 470 through 474 in the late 60s early 70s we had a
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hooded serial killer terrorizing the San Francisco Bay Area the killer told the press and police to call him the zodiac
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and everybody knows few cases in modern True Crime have been discussed and speculated more than zodiac so zodiac is
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always a topic for discussion in the True Crime world we put it off for a couple of years we had had requests from
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Jump Street to cover zodiac but it was one of those cases that we didn't cover early on one because we felt you could
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spend a full year or full season discussing the Zodiac case and the tentacles of that case and we wanted to
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make sure that when we did do the Zodiac that we did it in a way that we thought
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was appropriate and without it taking over True Crime garage so we did a five-part series in March and I was very
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happy with the way that it turned out I was super excited going into it for a number of reasons it's a case that's
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always in the back of my mind it's one of those cases that once once a year I find myself eyeballs deep in researching
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the Zodiac case and we were lucky enough to have our good friend longtime friend
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of the show Mike Morford from the criminology podcast he joined us because he knows everything zodiac he was on
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what Captain two of the episodes and we did a five-part series so the first yeah
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first three episodes were simply dedicated to and I I really like the way that we did this because there's a lot
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of questionable zodiac victims out there and ones that are not confirmed or unconfirmed I guess
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would be a better word to say but what we simply did with the first three episodes was a heavy focus on the
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confirmed kill timeline and the evidence that was found at those murder scenes we
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offered up of course our own speculation because that's what we do here in the garage but I really like the way that
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that turned out and I think we didn't set out for it to be five episodes but I think five was was the just the right
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amount yeah so my number five is one that is not just close to the heart but uh close to this episode I think um we
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we titled the episode a serial killer phone call episode 544 maybe a real caller maybe a fake
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caller calls into Howard Stern's show and talks for about 10 minutes confessing that he's a serial
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killer and we got a such great response just people chiming in what whether they
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thought it was a real call or not I think at the time I was leaning towards it was a real call and based on the blog
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post there was a couple things that people pointed out where I went oh it's making me aot little more suspicious
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than I was before so now I'm kind of leaning toward the fact that it was a fake call but I think it's an
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interesting clip and it was just a fun episode to record well often we are doing these cases that are very dark
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very heavy subject matter and you know it weighs on you a little bit and we were able to take a step back and this
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was something that we were surprised we were both a little surprised that we were getting requests for hey we we want
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to hear you guys review this this call I think a lot of people wanted to hear the
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call themselves for one more time and it's something that a lot of people seem to be on the fence of is this is this
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real is this legit or not and I think there's good argument for both sides of that but you know it was near the
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holidays and and we had originally thought we'll put this on off the record this is a perfect discussion for off the
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Record but with so many requests to cover it we had to move it to the Big Show and you're right the responses have
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been incredible and the blog post have been very interesting I like anytime we can can put out something that creates
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and generates interesting creative discussion and I think that's exactly what happened here
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with the serial killer phone call episode well like you said some of these cases are so dark so this was actually
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an idea that I I think I presented to you sometime last year and so the fact that not only did the listeners say hey
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this is an idea that we think you should go over because like I told people on the show the last couple months this has
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been popping up as a as a discussion on I haven't I haven't seen another podcast
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cover it but I've seen a couple YouTube channels cover it and I thought look for
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whatever reason we we're all having the same kind of creative idea to put out a creative Show episode that is true crime
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related but essentially we don't know if we have victims and in this case or not
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all right Colonel your number four all right so my number four here Captain I went with Asia degree Parts one and two
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this is episodes 475 and 476 which came out right after our zodiac episodes came
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out in March 23 and 24 so boom as my my old friend uh Jason would say bang bang bang uh we were really we were really
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nailing it those three weeks in a row in the colonels opinion here so uh Asia degree there's a Reddit thread out there
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that's titled most bizarre missing persons cases True Crime garage has covered so of course Brian schaer's on
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there Emma philipov are on this list but a 2021 addition to this list most certainly was Asia degree so in the
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middle of a cold rainy night she's only 9 years old ASA left her home on foot where she was going we don't seem to
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really know that's unconfirmed why did she leave we don't really know there's some speculation maybe she was simply
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sleepwalking I throughout there my speculation is that she was either running toward something or running away
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from something who knows maybe both the evidence is obvious and mysterious Foul Play is most certainly
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involved here it's one of those weird bread crumb Trail cases the the further you look into it it just becomes a
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bigger and bigger mystery like for me this case made my list because of the research that that went into it and I'm
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not trying to Pat myself on the back what I'm saying is the the interest like the interest level for me was an 11 on
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this thing right I once I started looking into it the captain brought it up said hey have you heard of this Asia
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degree case and I said I I've heard something about it but I don't know it very well he goes I think this is a must
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cover and I looked it up and I was like this is a really short story I don't know how much stuff is here and then I
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started looking into it and diving into it and there is it's just it's very fitting that it is on that list of most
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bizarre missing persons cases that we have covered because it is certainly just a strange weird case where there
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are breadcrumbs but it's hard to make heads or tals of what that evidence is and
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where it it's supposed to lead you well this year 2021 I became friends with two great
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True Crime Minds Brett and Alice from the prosecutor podcast met them we had a long
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discussion with Maggie freeling it was supposed to last an hour I think we recorded about 5 hours but Brett and
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Alice actually reached out to me and said look this Asia degree case we covered it there doesn't seem like
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there's a lot of meat on the bones but if you dive in there's a lot there will you guys please cover it because with
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your audience you can get this information out there and because there was a picture that was found that
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nobody's ever identified the person or the girl in the picture they thought with our platform that maybe we could do
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some good so one it was great to meet them and become friends with them through them suggesting this case and
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was one of the first times the history of our show where another podcast had reached out to us and said look I know
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we covered this case but please look into this because because you might be able to do some good and that's also the
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reason why Asia degree is my number four as well oh wow we both on hit both of our list and at the exact ma spot that's
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that's super interesting and yeah you're right the prosecutors great people and when they reached out and and said hey
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would you guys take a look at it and would you put it on your show that's I love getting that because it's not like
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it's not just hey all right we have a new new friends of the show but we we have allies right these are our allies
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they want the same things that we want they want the same things that our audience wants and it's not just to uh
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review these cases and talk about them but maybe do some good along the way and this is a bizarre case it's again it's
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one of those ones that when you hear about the case or read about the case you start saying to yourself why isn't
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this a more wellknown case because there it's just simply fascinating and very very Unsolved Mysteries like if you
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wanted to put a stamp on something I think that would be appropriate here in ases well and also with more and more
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people starting True Crime podcast you know we started just to see if we could do it then once we realize
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platform yes uh or maybe we can maybe we can't we're still practicing for the hey
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we're going to find out the next 500 episodes you want to get into it for the right reasons if you're sitting at home
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going I'd love to start a true crime podcast so I can get more Twitter followers or I can be famous or
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something I just don't think that's the right reasons do it do it because these victims have stories that need to be
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told these cases need help they need attention brought to him the more attention brought to the case the more
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chances that the case can be solved and more pressure that's put on prosecutors and law enforcement to not forget about
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these cases and not to forget about the people the victims in these cases Brett and Alice they're they prosecutors they
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don't have a lot of time on their plate and and they put a lot of effort into putting out great quality content so
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it's just again great meeting them and and to and it's been great to work with so many I mean from crime con UK to a
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lot of the podcasts in the states to feel like you're working together you know there yes there are some of those
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podcasts out there that they're not a part of the community and they think they're better than the other shows and
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and blah blah blah but for the most part the True Crime podcast world has been very friendly to us and very supportive
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and so I think this shows because like you said to have this case on a list and have people talking about it on the
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internet hopefully they they get some movement in the case well and that's a good reminder there captain and
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something that we remind ourselves and feel the need to remind you know people that are tuning
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in as well that these are real life cases these These are true stories obvious obviously but they're someone's
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tragedy they are someone's nightmare they are someone's heartbreak and we can tell these stories
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and we can listen to these stories and we can read about them but we need to make sure that we are always keeping in
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mind the human element the the real life element of of these cases and another reason why this Asia degree case made my
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list too was it was you know we we develop a bit of a thick skin maybe uh you know be we become a little rough
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around the edges because we we are looking at this stuff all week long every week week after
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week but this was one of those cases that got to me they don't all get to me and I don't have any understanding why
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some cases will get to me and others won't but in this case I certainly did because what I I couldn't shake I
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couldn't get it out of my mind and for a whole week every time I closed my eyes what I was seeing was this little girl
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nine years old walking in the cold in the dark and in the rain by herself along the roadside and my freaking heart
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just broke every time like I just I wanted to become I you know God make me an angel so I could have just swooped
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her up and and who knows I mean again she could have been sleepwalking but let's toss that out for a second let's
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say if she was not sleepwalking that is a powerful powerful thing to have a 9-year-old walking in
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the dark kids don't like the dark nobody likes the rain and the cold she's out walking by herself in the middle of the
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night along a country road I cannot and and will not ever pretend to understand the magnitude of that situation nor what
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her emotions were and why she was putting she's putting herself in this situation and that's that's something
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that was just too powerful for me to shake I I couldn't shake it and I mean it it it breaks my heart thinking about
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it now well surprise surprise the the the captain is going to disagree with you and hear me out on this may maybe I
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I'll get you to change your mind yes we look into these dark cases every week There's real life victims we sometimes
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are talking with the the families of those victims I don't think it's made me a tougher individual I think it's
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actually made me more sensitive to the subject really understanding the human element of it and just the podcast in
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general I mean we're going to do that live event in uh February and anytime we do a live event to meet our listeners
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it's a humbling experience so I almost feel like the whole not just diving into the cases but the whole podcast
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experience has made me a little more grateful to just wake up every day and and also just the the the abusive
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situations that a lot of these victims are in before before the actual murder takes place I get what you're saying
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where it could make you a little rough around the edges but I I actually think it's made both of uh me and you
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more uh sensitive people so we both have the same number four that again that was
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ASA degree Parts 1 and two episodes 475 476 came out in March of 2021 for any of
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you listening that have not already heard those episodes or want to go back and listen to them again that should
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help you in your search so for my number three here I have the yogurt shop murders 30 years later which we covered
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on November 30th and December 1st and we were covering those 30 years later at that time period that week because later
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that week would be exact L 30 years later those are episodes 539 and 540 and this is one of those cases that you
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review and you're just shocked just I I'm in complete shock and and almost disbelief here that 30 years later this
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has not been solved you know if you know the case you you understand why there's
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certainly been plenty of speed bumps along the way uh part of that being that they actually convicted two individuals
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of being involved and committing these these homicides this is a quadruple homicide case that took place in 1991 in
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Austin Texas at an Austin yogurt shop it's one of the most infamous cases in Texas history in in my opinion and
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despite the efforts of the Austin Police Department it as said remains unsolved 30 years later well this is a great pick
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um I actually kind of forgot about this case because this is the second time we're covering it when you suggested
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that we put on the list because of the anniversary which I don't think maybe that many listeners understand
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there's a lot of times the schedule is lining up with anniversaries of cases and and that's all due to your work so I
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applaud you there partner but great case and the second time around when you suggested it I was like oh we already
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covered this case but the second time around I found it way more interesting it's it's a very fascinating case if you
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haven't listened to those episodes not only should you listen to those episodes but go look up some of the diagrams that
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people have online about the shop you can do some deep dives into that case so very nice pick well and you're right it
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was one that we did have an offic discussion of well really should we cover this again because I I think we
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both felt the same way that we were pretty thorough in in covering it the first time around which was in 2017 I
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believe um it was episodes 81 and 82 and I do think that even though we devoted four episodes to it and really four
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years apart splitting them in twos and pairs there I think you could listen to all four they're very different episodes
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and and we kind of shaped them differently unfortunately when a case is unsolved for for 30 years and it hits
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that 30-year marker it's a good time to remind everybody that hey this thing is is not solved we
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had four young people lose their lives and they were terrorized for about 45 48 minutes that night in in Austin it's
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it's a good reminder I know Austin didn't need a reminder they this is a case that uh is on the hearts and minds
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of of austinites are they austinites is that what we call them the great people of Austin and this is a case too that is
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again again it's one of the most infamous cases in Texas history so it's one of those cases that the whole state
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of Texas yearns for uh and and it's one of those that that needs to have some justice it seems like there's meat on
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the bone here that they do have some evidence that could lead to understanding and pointing to exactly
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who is responsible for this I believe it's more than one perpetrator if I if I had to pick just based off of the EV and
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what the crime scene shows us it seems to support two or more offenders this too Captain is is one of those cases
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where I think a couple years ago we did a unsolved cases that we've covered that
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are I I can't remember what we titled it if it were solvable solvable or ones that we if if you could solve if you
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could make a list but you could only put so many on there of cases that would be
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solved this case was certainly in that discuss discuss and this is a case that has fascinated me throughout the decades
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and will continue to fascinate me even when they do solve it and I do think that they will solve it and I think that
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a lot of the blanks a lot of the things that we are not able to understand or a lot of the dots that we were unable to
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connect will be connected once we solve this case and and I will uh I I look forward to that day all right so number
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three for me was the Bone Breaker killer episode number 512 5113 this was just uh all around
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fascinating case yes uh and horrifying yes it was one of the cases that when you're researching it you almost think
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that like you're reading like a movie script or something you're like this this can't this can't
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be true I mean mean this and I don't want to give too much away because I want people to go back and listen if
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they haven't but there's definitely details in this case that just they're sickening there's some gruesomeness to
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this case uh but it was definitely one that when I started researching and and putting together the the the music
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for the show for the episode that week cuz that's what I like to do I like to pull up even if it's just Wikipedia and
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start reading about the case and trying to see if I can get some kind of vibe how how do I want to make the theme
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music this week and what's the case saying to me and this one there was it's like man when you start doing the
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research on it right away Sparks your interest and and and has you firing on all cylinders so yeah number three for
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me is the Bone Breaker killer and that case is again not trying to give too much away that wasn't definitely
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definitely in consideration for me Captain it was one that as I was whittling down my list it was it was
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hanging around and hanging around truly fascinating one in part because of just the the the
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rare of the case where we have a very unique situation where the Killer and abductor is act actually going into
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homes in the middle of the night and abducting the victim almost right out of their beds which is just completely
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bizarre it's a highrisk factor that you rarely see in in cases and terrifying completely terrifying I think you hit
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the nail on the head when you say that hey I felt like I was reading a a script for some Hollywood horror flick that's
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about to come out because it's it's almost unbelievable and also the age of the victims and the age of the
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murderer that to me kind of had a f fascinating twist but anyways I don't want to give too much away again the
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Bone Breaker killer 512 and 53 we will finish our list right after this quick beer
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year in the True Crime World another year done and we are on into the next great year here we go 2022 well and
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thanks to all the listeners we we'll be here for another year that's right that's right at least one more year
00:33:56
after that there's no PL knows what will happen so we got through our yeah we each got through our top well our five
00:34:05
four and three and now we each have our top two left on our list would can I do the
00:34:13
honors and kick off my number two here well let me do my number two because it's pretty disappointing like
00:34:22
my bedroom skills okay because mine is the Zodiac five series which is already on your list so
00:34:30
I feel like I just um none of the listeners right now are satisfied I say nay I think that uh everybody's
00:34:37
satisfied I i' like I think that you know we we do share some of the same opinions and that's obvious here and so
00:34:44
I think that they like when we agree and they like when we disagree and uh this list is certainly going to have both of
00:34:50
those elements to it I was trolling around the old internet this weekend and I did come across and I I
00:34:59
should have wrote it down but I I did not but there was a website that said that we had the best
00:35:07
zodiac podcast of 2021 you know obviously this is a case yeah this is a case that's been covered
00:35:15
a lot and so we're we're not claiming nor is this website claiming that we have the best podcast zodiac podcast of
00:35:24
all time but the but they didn't the headline I saw said best zodiac podcast 2021 again I should have wrote that down
00:35:34
but hey throw in the caveat there too Captain Maybe we're the only ones that covered it last
00:35:42
year if you're the only ones then you're the best well a couple reasons one not to toot my own horn but it I
00:35:50
think it's one of my favorite one of my favorite musical themes that I did this year
00:35:57
and also we did individual artwork for every episode which was done by my buddy Scotty Boombox which has helped us out a
00:36:06
lot he did all the artwork of the single episodes of John Benet Ramsay when we did that he did the Shaker Heights
00:36:14
artwork so he's done a lot of cool stuff for us in the past and and to have him be a part of that and look there's a
00:36:22
couple movies that I go to you know this sometimes the research is a lot of work and so when you're not feeling it I
00:36:34
feel like if I throw on the movie Zodiac or I throw on mind hunter or I throw on
00:36:41
Silence of the Lambs or I throw on Spotlight I can get in the mood to do to want to do the research but but yeah so
00:36:51
zodiac I just thought you did a really good job of it and that's why it's my number two so so that's my number number
00:36:56
two now let's go with your number two well the Zodiac yes can be some heavy lifting when it comes to the research
00:37:02
that's why it was interesting to kind of put it together the way that that we did
00:37:06
and present it in that form and I'm glad that you brought up the movie because I
00:37:10
failed to do so when when I had it on my list but uh if you're out there and you're listening to this show and you've
00:37:18
not bothered to take carve out two hours of your life and watch the Zodiac movie
00:37:25
it is one of the best True Crime dramatization movies you ever will see I mean it's yeah it's almost like a biopic
00:37:34
of the investigation yeah you got so many good actors and actresses in the movie as well and it's just really well
00:37:40
put together the the music's good it's shot well it's filmed well it it for whatever reason didn't do well in at the
00:37:48
box office but it is for me I fell in love with it the first time I saw it and I thought I've probably watched it maybe
00:37:56
10 times it's one of those movies that I enjoy it so much that like you said you
00:38:00
pop it in for a little bit of inspiration but there it's a movie that I could pick up on at any point in the
00:38:08
movie like I don't have to start it at the beginning um I can and I find myself completely completely immersed in in
00:38:16
fascination with the case and the story as soon as I as soon as that movie comes
00:38:21
on so good pick there Captain zodiac for your number two for my number to I went
00:38:28
with the Chelsea Small case we did two episodes on Chelsea Smalls case covered it in June of
00:38:36
2021 this would be episodes 495 and 496 this was June 15th and 16th that it came out and
00:38:45
interestingly enough here I've I've seen this case hitting the news especially on
00:38:53
the local level since our coverage now I'm not going to pretend that our coverage has anything to do with it but
00:38:59
hey we didn't we couldn't have hurt this was one of those cases another case that
00:39:03
I go why is this case not more welln you look into it and you go this is completely fascinating it's a bizarre
00:39:12
case we have the killer on surveillance footage from that day from that tragic horrific day and yet we still have not
00:39:21
found Chelsea Smalls killer so click on detroit.com did one of the most recent articles on the case which came out in
00:39:30
November of last year and they say Chelsey small was just 30 years old with a bright future ahead of her when she
00:39:38
was murdered on the job in 2013 small was the mother of two young children she was gunned down at her
00:39:46
place of work on what was supposed to be her day off if you've listened to our coverage you remember that she was
00:39:52
covering for another coworker that day this was something that they had agreed upon days in advance so that Chelsea
00:40:00
could have a a different day off or the coworker could have swap days what have you but uh she was working on November
00:40:07
12th 2013 at the Advance America check cashing place on Telegraph Road in Taylor Michigan which is a a very nice
00:40:17
Town very nice city I think a lot of people were surprised that this happened there this was a very busy road many
00:40:25
businesses many people out working that day middle of the week there is still a reward in her case in the Chelsea Small
00:40:33
case that is being offered up that is now up to $52,000 to anyone who has information
00:40:40
leading to an arrest so anyone with information look you can Google search your fancy computer machine you got
00:40:48
there at home and it will pull up the video for you and you can see the killer walk into
00:40:56
the Advanced America check cashing place you see what goes down he's in there very briefly there's a few
00:41:05
different websites that you can find this video it's readily available I I would suggest watching the more recent
00:41:12
ones because police did hold on to some information detectives held some information back in this investigation
00:41:19
early on for the first few years information that would have been very important to their invest instigation
00:41:27
and to a possible confession because look after her murder and the surveillance footage came out to the
00:41:34
public and the Billboards went up and the the public outcry I think this was another this was a similar Deli
00:41:43
situation where people thought an arrest is coming they'll find this guy and it's
00:41:49
going to happen with the quickness and here we sit that was 2013 we are kicking off 2022 two we
00:41:56
still do not know who killed Chelsea Small another very interesting angle in this case too
00:42:04
is I referenced this when we covered it that there's there's a small possibility
00:42:11
here that this case and I think it should be included in the discussion for the I70 killer we covered the I70 killer
00:42:19
case back in 2020 and the Chelsea Small case this was not a case that I was even aware of and
00:42:28
you know we're we're here in Ohio neighboring Michigan and the public outcry and again
00:42:35
the the awareness to the public and the the surveillance footage I was still unaware of this case
00:42:42
and I was a little bit shocked that this case was so interesting so fascinating still unsolved and I was unaware of it
00:42:49
the way that it came onto my radar here Captain was somebody emailed the show and said you guys did a good job
00:42:55
covering the I70 killer which was one of my one of my favorite episodes or or coverage from
00:43:03
2020 often when we cover these cases especially an unsolved serial killer case we will get a lot of of people
00:43:13
coming out of the woodwork saying you know I think this guy could could be the guy I think this is the best suspect and
00:43:19
here's why I love receiving the emails keep them coming but I got to say most of of the
00:43:27
time the people that are suggesting the suspects that have been presented those times to us not really
00:43:35
good suspects somebody emailed me emailed the show saying look there's a there's a small chance here you know
00:43:43
very thin chance that this is connected but I think in the I70 killer conversation this Chelsea Small
00:43:52
case should be included until we can confirm that it's not one in the series because there's so many similarities to
00:44:01
Chelsea Small's case to the I70 killer and I found that absolutely fascinating and I found the case just completely
00:44:12
mysterious I I don't I still do not know to this day how this individual has gotten away with it all of these years
00:44:19
later so this was one of those cases that was suggested to us and I'm so thankful to the listeners for that
00:44:27
because I thought it turned out to be two really great episodes and this is one where you really feel like you can
00:44:34
make some make some good here right because this is something that we need to put as many earballs and eyeballs on
00:44:43
this is something that we can tell you the story we can tell you our speculation we can tell you the reasons
00:44:49
why these other crimes might be connected we talked about a gun theft that happened in the area about 6 months
00:44:55
before befor hand we can show you all that and tell you all of that but here is a situation where we can then send
00:45:01
you as soon as you as soon as you pull out the earbuds you can you can hop on the old internet machine and look it up
00:45:08
and go you know what I can view the video the surveillance footage for myself and I can I can I can make a list
00:45:17
of what I believe that I'm seeing is there is there evidence that I can spot with my eyes are there actions by the
00:45:23
killer that I can spot in and really kind of put him in one compartment away from others and this is
00:45:31
one of those cases where we were able to do that and that doesn't happen in so many cases and that's why I just found
00:45:38
this one to be incredibly interesting and a little shocked that it took us all these years to cover it but again thank
00:45:44
you to the listeners for putting this one on our radar so we we know to go out and look into this case a big cheers to
00:45:52
the listeners that also follow us on social media that share the information like with the Asia degree case we needed
00:46:00
people sharing that photo thousands of people shared that photo in this case you have photos video
00:46:08
footage but that information needs to be shared it's one thing to discuss it but
00:46:13
that's what's so great about the True Crime community and what's so great about our listeners is they realize it's
00:46:19
not just information and entertainment that there is something that we can do the power is in our hands if we share
00:46:27
the information enough that we might get good leads and we have been contacted several times and talked to several
00:46:35
family members of victims where after the show Law Enforcement is getting new leads and can't thank you enough well
00:46:44
and this is one of those cases too where we need to make sure that we throw out Big Ups to the Taylor Police Department
00:46:51
because this is a case that they have they have told us this is not not something that they're saying to some
00:46:57
news Outlet or or some other place they have directly told us this case is very solvable we have we have speculation
00:47:06
within our own Department of why things were the way they were that day and and how things went down but that aside
00:47:15
every one of the detectives that have laid eyes on this case and and done the you know pounded the pavement and done
00:47:22
the the the leg work on this case of all said the same thing this case is extremely solvable they all believe that
00:47:30
it will be solved and the break may come from the public so when we decided to cover it it was really it was really
00:47:39
nice of them to be so forthcoming and sit down with us and talk with us about the case and give us some information on
00:47:49
the case to to maybe again maybe it hits the right earballs maybe we said send the right eyeballs to watch the video
00:47:58
and that is how this thing is going to get solved again a young mother her whole life ahead of her she was 30 years
00:48:04
old she was just really starting starting off and and and making her way in this world and just a tragic horrific
00:48:14
event that went down and it seems like just such a senseless random act of violence that that has very little
00:48:22
explanation and the Taylor Police Department again Big Ups to them for for taking the time to speak with us at
00:48:28
length about the case kudos to them for the good work that they're doing on the Chelsey small case it's that time again
00:48:37
I don't know if our list matter so much it's it's us patting ourselves on the back but I I want to I want to hear from
00:48:45
the listeners what your top five is so so make sure that you go to our blog and tell us what your top five of the year
00:48:53
and maybe throw in there maybe a case suggestion maybe something that we haven't covered that we can try to get
00:49:00
to in 2022 so my number one now this is kind of weird because I think I think you
00:49:08
have to put these together because we did the Tylenol murders which was 480 and 481 but that kind of goes into the
00:49:21
unibomber case which would be episodes 482 and 4 83 so I'm putting them together even though we didn't put them
00:49:29
in in a part one part two part three part four series they that's essentially what they
00:49:37
are yes and we did that on purpose we had planned that well in advance we we both wanted to cover the uniom case and
00:49:45
we both wanted to cover the Tylenol murders case and we had them slated for last year when we were going into
00:49:54
2020 we just didn't kind of know when we were going to cover them and I'm not going to
00:50:00
lie I don't think either of us as much as we wanted to cover the cases and as much as we thought they were fascinating
00:50:07
interesting cases we knew that it was kind of a big undertaking they're both both very big cases with a lot of
00:50:15
information out there especially unabomb because it it is solved but there is some speculation and always will be
00:50:23
until the Tylenol murders case is solved that these two could be connected because a a bomber and a poisoner are
00:50:33
similar in Mo and if somebody could have pulled off well not if somebody could have pulled off we know somebody did
00:50:41
pull off the Tylenol murders Ted kazinski was certainly capable of of that so when we reviewed it from that
00:50:48
angle and it's not I wouldn't say that we released them this way because we believe that theory
00:50:56
just that we agree that that theory is interesting and there is some credibility to it so we thought this was
00:51:03
an interesting way of putting them out and putting them out back to back but again then knowing all right we're going
00:51:11
to have about three four weeks of of a lot of heavy lifting on two very very big cases correct me if I'm wrong
00:51:19
Captain you're saying both of those were were two-parters I remember when we're putting together the shows in both of
00:51:28
those cases both of them felt like they could have gone three or four parts uh just really again really big cases and I
00:51:36
I'm glad I'm really glad that we put them out back to back like that I'm going to Pat myself on the back do a
00:51:41
little flicky flicky um I like like I did I wasn't oooing for that but go ahead oh yeah you were know what you
00:51:48
going to saying for that yeah or maybe it was e um no I I just like the music some some of them come to me easier
00:51:59
some sometimes they're a little more work but there's so many things that I like about doing the show and and
00:52:07
obviously working with you but one of the perks is take the John B ramsy case OJ Simpson
00:52:16
case Deli murders now here zodiac unibomber cases that you might have had glimpses into throughout your life but
00:52:26
you never took a deep dive and that being a part of what we get to do you know sometimes it feels like we
00:52:34
have to do and then sometimes it feels like we get to do and especially like I said with like watching zodiac as much
00:52:41
as I have to finally take a deep dive and kind of really wrap your head around the case and why are so many people
00:52:50
fascinated why is there it's just like with Jack the Ripper or John Benet that or Mara Murray there's these
00:52:59
sub cultures within the True Crime world that are really fascinated with those cases and and why are they and to really
00:53:09
get to uncover that and I'm glad that you paired those together you know you might have one or two uh weirdos sitting
00:53:16
at home going well the captain kind of cheated here I don't think so because I I share the same opinion like when I was
00:53:22
trying again trying to whittle down my list here going into today those two cases were in strong
00:53:30
consideration the issue that I kept running into was I felt like if I included one I needed to include the
00:53:36
other as well and last year we did an episode where we talked about our favorite trailers you know we call PE
00:53:45
some people are going what's a trailer well we call that that portion at the the start of the show after the beer the
00:53:53
nonsense is out of the way when we say we're going to talk some true crime we go to the captain's music we go to the
00:54:00
colonel trying to do his best uh young Robert Stack uh version of myself and that is what we call our trailers and
00:54:09
last year we did an episode where we just simply talked about our our favorite True Crime garage trailers the
00:54:16
unibomber case was on my favorite trailer list so I again agree with you the music was fantastic on both of those
00:54:25
in the unibomber trailer was really hey this is just a show where we're just so proud of ourselves
00:54:34
huh people are annoyed they're like you guys think you're so great why don't just shut up
00:54:40
already we're not those kind of people this is difficult for us the funny thing is we think it makes sense the formula
00:54:48
makes sense hey let the audience know what we thought were our or let the audience in into um our minds of which
00:54:57
cases we enjoyed putting out the most this year but we are not these kind of people we just want to move on to the
00:55:04
next case and and keep it going but we didn't want to take a break other shows are taking a break I stand by that we
00:55:12
didn't take a break now we might take some breaks next year Well I stand by the fact that we didn't take a break it
00:55:18
is a little bit of fun for us though too to do these kinds of shows where we can
00:55:22
relax a little bit they're a little more chill they're a little more fun for us it's a garage party like you said
00:55:27
captain and you know with coming off of Christmas week you don't want to be you don't want to be too kneed deep in the
00:55:35
research and dancing in the blood too much right it's it's a time for family and friends and love and happiness and
00:55:41
um sometimes True Crime as the listeners know can get in the way of that so I'm I'm very happy that we could do this
00:55:48
episode here today and as you said not take the week off but for my number one so that that will lead me to my number
00:55:56
one here and I went with one that was from very early in the year of 2021 in fact it came out the last week
00:56:05
of January and the first week of February it was a four-part series I I really enjoyed putting these
00:56:13
together and I thought they turned out fantastic and I'm talking about when the demons came out Parts 1 through 4 that's
00:56:20
episodes 459 460 461 one and two now this was something that I had wanted to do on the show for for quite some time
00:56:31
and really what when the demons came out is and the reason why it is four parts is it's kind of a u a mashup of several
00:56:42
cases Ohio cases in the early 80s and some of them are connected and some of them are not some of them are cold cases
00:56:50
some of them have been solved but it was an interesting way to kind of mash them
00:56:55
up and put them together because in the early ' 80s there was something very frightening that was going on in Ohio
00:57:00
and unfortunately this was going on in other states as well but um there was a bizarre string of child abductions and
00:57:07
murders that hit Northeast Ohio and Central Ohio roughly all at the same time we took a deep dive into those old
00:57:16
cases again some of them cold some of them solved and one thing that really perturbed me and Captain you know this
00:57:23
and longtime listeners know this one thing that I cannot stand that bothers the hell out of me and I look I don't
00:57:28
pretend to be perfect I know that I get things wrong I'm I'm I'm batting a thousand on getting about two or three
00:57:35
things wrong a week whether it's mispronouncing someone's name or just saying some dumb thought that came to
00:57:41
mind but some people think you picked the wrong partner well for 550 episodes I have to disagree with
00:57:49
that but uh but you have been wrong 550 it upsets me when the facts of some of these cases are misreported and then
00:58:01
because what happens is they can they continue to be misreported like somebody else gathers the wrong information from
00:58:08
a source that didn't do a great job for whatever reason and look these sources can do a great job on one case and a bad
00:58:14
job on other cases that it happens it's we're not saying everything that they do
00:58:18
is junk but one thing that that upset me for the longest time was that on Wikipedia they had said that Robert bule
00:58:26
who was a known serial killer in the state of Ohio killed Kelly Anne procer and that was simply not the truth we her
00:58:35
killer was discovered through DNA many years later but even after her killer was discovered nobody ever bothered to
00:58:43
take that down you know it it once was speculation and he was suspected in it of course he was a suspect in that case
00:58:51
but if you go back and you review the information from the early 880s that was a lead and something that the
00:58:57
investigators actually worked on was trying to put Robert bule in central Ohio he was he was
00:59:04
abducting women and girls in Northeast Ohio and killing them and they thought well maybe he came
00:59:11
down here and and did it a couple of times and they could never Place him in Franklin County during any of the time
00:59:19
frames of these girls or women going missing or being killed and so that was certainly something that they looked
00:59:26
into and what for whatever reason almost 40 years later it still sat there on Wikipedia that he was a suspect in
00:59:33
kellyanne proster case or it's believed that he was the killer when in fact we learned that he he was not so if you
00:59:42
haven't listened to those episodes those were my favorite of the year and again it's really just a mashup of this serial
00:59:51
killer this active serial killer Robert buol who's kind of one of these unknown serial killers lesser known serial
00:59:58
killers that was active in the state of Ohio and he's guilty of some horrible horrible stuff and it does not bother me
01:00:06
one bit that he is dead the state of Ohio killed him in 2002 he refused to give give any kind of answers or or or
01:00:18
any justice to some of his victims in their families even when they were hurting all those years later you know
01:00:26
he was he was locked up in the 80s so he had plenty of time to tell us what he knew and he refused to do so um
01:00:36
and these episodes were really a way of bringing up him a a lesser known serial killer
01:00:45
that we had not yet told his story or told the story of of him these other victims that were at one time Loosely
01:00:53
connected to the Robert bule story but but certainly weren't actually connected so it was a way to discuss Ohio cold
01:01:00
cases and some solv cases and everybody knows that I I'm just fascinated by Ohio
01:01:06
cold cases so it was really interesting to put that together and I was happy that we did so um the other thing I love
01:01:14
too Captain is the title when the demons came out and I can't take credit for that that was in an old newspaper
01:01:21
article after Robert bule was arrested they were interviewing people that knew him that worked with him that lived in
01:01:27
the same neighborhood as him right one of the guys that I found fascinating that they were interviewing and I don't
01:01:32
I don't have his name here but the line that stuck with me was this guy that was
01:01:37
interviewed said when the demons came out he said you know Robert bule was a great guy I I thought he was a great guy
01:01:42
he was he was funny he was personable he was well-liked in the neighborhood he was well-liked at work I guess I never
01:01:49
saw him when the demons came out and I that just that title that that sentence from that Old that old newspaper article
01:01:57
stuck with me and I think it really kind of sums up who Robert bule was right he's he's this monster that is dressing
01:02:06
himself in sheep's clothing every day and going out into the world and fooling everybody into thinking that he's
01:02:11
something that he's not that he's a good guy and he's one of the one of the worst
01:02:15
that I can think of and I know some people enjoy solv cases we enjoyed Sol cases too and we think you can learn a
01:02:23
lot from them it's just difficult when you're when people are suggesting cases that we feel like if we add to the
01:02:30
platform and and talk to the listeners about that we might get some movement on it and so sometimes it's hard um
01:02:39
sometimes we need to do a solve case to to make us feel better about the whole process and to to remind ourselves that
01:02:46
these things these cases that seem sometimes like they'll never get solved eventually one day do at least that's
01:02:54
some justice at least that some closure so yeah what a year seems like it flew by and one more year in the books and uh
01:03:07
one more year to go I guess that's right and many more yeah uh thank you everybody for
01:03:14
listening in 2021 and we look forward to to all that can be great in 2022 you feel
01:03:46
good you [Music] feel so many great memories with you guys this year 2021 I look forward to so many cases
01:03:59
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