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foreign [Music] we have seven bodies in this investigation a huge investigation going
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on in a lot of media coverage now law enforcement they were worried that the discovery of the bodies and the media
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coverage that followed could invoke an evil reaction from our undetected serial killer where he might go on a mass
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murdering spree ultimately seeking more victims more chaos and panic and a suicide by cop ending and we have these
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extensive profiles but really we don't have a ton of evidence the biggest evidence that we probably have in this
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whole scenario is the bullets that they left behind from the target practice Yeah the cuts and stab wounds are not
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extremely valuable from a clue standpoint you know we've discussed this before it's just difficult matching these up to
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a knife or another sharp object when you have nothing to compare them to now the
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bindings are of good value though anything that was used to bind the victims in some of these capes cases we
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know that they used rope and electrical tape that sort of thing so yes Captain you're exactly right the the most
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valuable clues that they're going to have are the bullets the shell casings the cartridge
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containers as well as these ropes and electrical tape that was used on the victims yeah I would
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assume that it would be hard but not impossible to take these shell casings and and figure out
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where uh possibly they bought these from or what what rough location so in late 1993 the task force air was formed they
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were to spearhead this serial killer investigation the task force was made up of more than 20 detectives an analysts
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on top of this a large reward was offered to the public for information on what the Press were calling at the time
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the balanglo serial killings the profiles were made as we discussed and they were made public the task force was
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established and now they're begging the public for help so where does that get you it gets you a ton of info to sift
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through which is extremely difficult just to organize and catalog everything that's coming in
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the task force one of their first jobs is to Simply organize all of this information and then to find a
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constructive way to apply it to the investigation and as for the investigation hell just with 20
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different task force members you have a lot of moving pieces and so some sort of
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checks and balances is required you need to know for sure that so and so did speak to this suspect or this witness
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and that the information was collected and appropriately cataloged because there is just so much of it some of the
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focus is really going to be the gun angle right Captain we know that we have bullets that were found at the scene we
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know that we have two different calibers we we're looking through gun licenses that's what police wanted to do they're
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going to look through gun licenses to try to provide some leads in the way of who is their guy or who is their killers
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I've seen some numbers in this case and some were as big as the investigators may have been talking or
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seeking to talk to over 2 000 per 2000 persons just in relation to the gun angle
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but with all of their hard work effort and Analysis they really were looking at over 200
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possible good suspects not just people that have a gun license right eventually taking that 200 possible suspects and
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breaking that down to about 30. some Persons of Interest without going through all 30 or so of them
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now remember guns may be how they're able to find the killer or killer so they amongst other strategies are going
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around to gun clubs and interviewing members at these gun clubs at one such Club they were interviewing members and
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these members told investigators to talk to a man named Alex malat so Alex he had a strange story to tell he sat
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down and spoke with these investigators he said that one night in April of 1992 now mind you this is Around The
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Disappearance of two of our victims yeah he says that he and a friend were driving home that night from The Gun
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Club and as they neared a service road to the balanglo state forest they passed two
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vehicles one I believe was a car and the other was a 4x4 in this scenario he tells the investigators that he saw a
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woman a single woman in each one of those Vehicles right and also in the vehicle with them were a
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group of men the women he says were bound they were I don't I take that back I don't know that
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he said that they were bound I know he said that they were gagged but his description of this scenario is that the
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women likely they look to have been abducted they're with these men they don't want to be in the car and he goes
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on to give very good detailed information regarding the men and what they look like as well
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he's unable to give any plate numbers regarding these vehicles police of course are going to find this extremely
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interesting for any number of reasons really what they're going to do is they locate the man that he says he was
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traveling with that night they speak with him the man verifies some portions of this
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story basically that yes I was with Alex that night yes we went to the gun club we took that route home
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and I believe that yeah I did see two vehicles that night he says nothing about the women being in the vehicles
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he says nothing about the men being in the vehicles nor does he give any type of description of anybody or anything
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that's going on never mind that if if the gagging part didn't come up like I mean if you're driving home with your
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buddy and you see some girls quote unquote gagged you'd think that would come up in conversation right and if it
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comes up in conversation it's not something that you're going to forget especially if you can remember being at
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the gun club that day and taking that route home that night so that's that's what is is really a truly a weird
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scenario because we have two victims that went missing right around that time we have Alex Millet who's saying that he
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saw two females in these vehicles that look like they were abducted yet here's the other thing too until police came
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looking for him he never bothered to share this information with anybody he never took it to police he never said
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hey I saw something strange going on or you know he didn't do this when he didn't do it that night
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so he didn't seem to be concerned of of these two women he didn't do it when the
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bodies were found and as you just pointed out he very likely didn't even mention it to the man
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sitting in the vehicle with him that night right because apparently given their statements they didn't see the
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same things right so it seems like it's a half-truth story yeah he may in fact have seen two vehicles there that night
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but is he making up what he saw inside of those Vehicles that's the sick thing for somebody to make up yeah well you
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have to wonder One why would he be making it up or two if in fact that is what he saw why didn't he tell anybody
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why did he choose not to tell anybody then there's another person uh police police are talking about uh this is one
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of their Persons of Interest and this comes from a tipster that called in regarding a man named Richard Millette
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Richard told a co-worker and this is according to the co-worker right this is alleged what he told them
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Richard said in regards to the backpack murders that there is a German couple out there
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that they haven't found all of the bodies yet this is before the German couple was in
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fact found he tells someone else I know who killed the German couple other odd things and comments that he
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was saying he told someone how easy it would be to abduct someone out in the area of the blanglo serial killings he
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told someone that stabbing a woman or cutting a woman was just forgive me Captain I've seen this reported several
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different ways that he said that it it was like cutting a loaf of bread and then one of the other sources say that
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he said cutting a woman was like cutting a banana so I'm not sure which one he in
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fact used or allegedly said but still some very odd strange statements coming from this man here I do want to point
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out a few things about what it is that allege that he had said right the first there is a German couple out there they
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haven't found all the bodies yet this may seem strange given just that one statement that and even in fact when
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you apply it with all these others that we went through but just that short little statement does seem strange but
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we also need to keep in mind as we reported there were reports out there in June that there was a missing
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German couple so that that's not like it was some top secret information that was public
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information to anybody that read those papers hey there there's there's a German couple that is believed to be
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missing since regarding that newspaper article it's been over six months by that point and then on top of that when
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they found the first two victims when they found the first two bodies what was the statement given by law enforcement
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at the time we're going to find more bodies we expect to find more bodies so really when you dissect his statement
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it's actually nothing that he could that anybody couldn't have come up with right
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right and again this is big news and they don't want you know hitchhikers or tourists going missing so is it just one
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of those things where you go okay they're gonna find more bodies but what about that missing couple that's still
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missing yeah I mean it's it's not that far of a stretch to get get to there the other thing too is
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pointing out how easy he believed it would be to abduct somebody out in that area that specific area
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I don't find that to be too incredibly of an odd statement well here's here's what's odd we have two individuals with
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the same last name both seem what somewhat telling like half truths right so what's that all about well I think
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the most the strangest statement by Richard would be the one of I know who killed the German couple yes the thing I
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would like to backtrack on which I couldn't find through all the digging it it just wasn't there if anybody finds
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this or knows this information please put it on the blog but one thing I was very curious about
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with the statement of I know who killed the German couple was he saying this before their bodies
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were found right right right right right because I mean of course it you could see how he
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would believe that they were were killed but but to to make a statement like that
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before the bodies were in fact found would be a big huge red flag and as you said another red flag is that you have
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two individuals who share the same last name who in fact are brothers [Music] it goes back to that profiling right
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right and that's the thing here we're going to start to see some things regarding this profile and I think that
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you know not only just the profile itself but once they're collecting the task force is collecting all this
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information that's coming in possible leads possible evidence Clues names that are coming up time and time again
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throughout the course of their investigation you you really want to go when okay when we need to talk to 2 000
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people or maybe more than 2 000 people let's create a list of people and go how many boxes do does each individual
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potentially check off right because we have to prioritize who we're going to speak with we can't just have a pool of
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suspects being 2 000 people and then they Whittle it down to what did we say 200 and then to 30 right but now on this
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list of 30 it appears that we have two men who are in fact brothers and we do have them fitting some Porsche versions
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of the profile itself you know just the simple statement of somebody saying you know what it would be easy to abduct
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people out in that area that to me doesn't does not set off any alarm Bells as far as
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suspecting this person of being an abductor or a killer what it points out to me immediately is this person
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obviously feels that he has a strong connection to that area to that that he's familiar and he has knowledge
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about that area well that's one thing that was in the profile to be looking for we also have a situation where the
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other man Richard Millette he has a criminal record also in the profile one of the things on his record involves a
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gun charge again as you pointed out back to the profile now there was also another
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Millet that is involved in this whole portion of the investigation Ivan millet all three of them are brothers they're
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brothers from a very large family I think that there were ten Brothers total and four sisters yeah 14 siblings total
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yeah so we're talking a huge family here now Ivan was in fact familiar to the task force this is because he was called
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in on the tip hotline now the caller thought that he fit some aspects of the profile
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plus the caller said that he drove a four-wheel drive and owned some guns right known to shoot guns has a
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four-wheeler also lives in a rural area yeah and I and all of that this next stuff again comes from the
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Sydney Morning Herald and the herald really covered this case covered the story from top to bottom
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covering it for years there is an article by Stephen Warnock where we have a former senior Constable
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Paul Gordon now anybody familiar with this case there there's some alarm bells that are going to go off because
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this Paul Gordon is a complicated character in this story and we can get into that a little more but what's
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important here is some things that we know that did in fact happen we just don't know exactly how they
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happen because they reported they were reported to the newspaper in a strange way right so according to one version of
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the story Paul Gordon was working on a theory that Liverpool I guess this is an exit that is along the way from Sydney
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to Melbourne via the Hume Highway he or somebody else came up with the theory that there are hundreds of
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hitchhikers thumbing lifts South in this area and that maybe this is where the killer or killers were getting
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their victims from using this Theory they decide to go back and they are checking through police
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files for past crimes against Hitchhikers in that area what they find is a case from April of
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1971. right so almost two decades before our victims start disappearing right in this case
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the offender or alleged offender was a man named Ivan millet he was accused of assault rape and threatening to kill two
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female Hitchhikers in April of 1971. so we have The Hitchhikers we have a pair of them yeah and we have a similar type
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crime although it does not end in Murder but the reason why this crime does not end in Murder
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the the two hitchhikers they got away from this man right and this is basically because they they tricked him
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and they had to escape him he didn't he didn't let them go nothing like that they had to escape and after reviewing
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the case personally Captain I believe he very very likely would have killed both
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of them he in fact according to the two victims did say at one point his intention was to do just that
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Millet beat the charges though hmm and if you want we can we can get into that it's a little it's a bit of a difficult
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story and it's it's a bit of a long one but in the end his his lawyer pulled some
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tricky [ __ ] and got him out of those charges okay what do you mean tricky [ __ ]
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well the lawyer was able to prove that the two women that he picked up were in fact lesbians
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okay and the lawyer was not so well all right but yeah but okay here's the problem with that it's 1971 1972.
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when he points this out this confuses the jury back then right and you see what I mean and it
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it's been an uphill battle for anybody that has come forward with any allegations of sexual assault or rape
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right now so back then it was like big time yeah you know uh yeah it's pathetic but yeah keep going well I will say I do
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want to say this real quick too the the attorney that was representing Ivan Millet at the time
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he is I believe he's deceased now um he was a homosexual man so in in a sense and I think well I
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shouldn't say I think I know because interviews late in his life he says that he really regretted using that tactic
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um but that's the tactic that he chose yeah right he chose to use that strategy it was shameful but it worked at the
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time that is that that is the problem with that profession because it's like you it's very important to have good
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defense attorneys but at the same time it's and you don't want to assume that they're bad individuals because they
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help these awful people get out of crimes well Millet may have just been and I mean Ivan
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he's just super lucky right because he was also facing charges and these were Hefty charges of armed robbery in fact
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these were robberies that he committed with one of his other brothers yeah that we've already named what ended up
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happening in that situation is those charges I believe they were dropped because of
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the way that the they were investigated there was rumors of misconduct on the pot on the part of the police and the
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investigators in those crimes and then we have this situation where Ivan Millet picks up these two female hitchhikers
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and comes pretty close to killing them it gets away with it in court yeah which was crazy to me because it's
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you have two eyewitnesses yeah I mean like it's not just he said she said it's He Said She Said She Said
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So yeah like you said a little bit of evil luck but in the in the end in the 90s what's going to really stand out to
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the task force is that even though he may have got away with that crime back in the 70s this very much fits
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it's very similar to what was going on in The Backpacker murders well right like if we look at the profile we have
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two victims we have you know sexual intent I think we could say I agree or or some type of gratification from it
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right and then on top of that you have these armed robberies that were committed with him and his brother and
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that fits the profile you know at least a couple times with them thinking that these there could be two attackers and
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them being related so the Millet family they are now pretty much the prime target of this
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investigation and if you really want to try to put it in order I think we're looking at a
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situation where we have Ivan at the very top of that list followed by his brother
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Richard [Music] and Ivan just looks like I mean he looks evil well and the other thing that's going to
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put Ivan and Richard above some of the other brothers in this even Alex who we've already named
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those two were known to have been working in the area at the time of the disappearances so that puts them that at
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a much higher probability so they were looking into these men from this family and the more that they
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looked the more that Ivan started to look better and better and fit being their possible unsub
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so this becomes even more clear when police get a phone call from the United Kingdom
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it's Paul onions on November 13 1993 Paul called the authorities in The Backpacker murders
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case he saw the case on the news and he immediately thought of the time when he was attacked way back in 1990. police
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never made the connection between Paul's case and the seven unsolved murders remember when Paul reported this
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from the outside looking in you may have thought you were just dealing with an armed robbery
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so now we have a victim coming forward and saying I believe what happened to me is
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connected to your unsolved murders eventually they get Paul out to the to Australia and they want to talk with him
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face to face they want to show him some materials and they want to know what he knows of his attack
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eventually he positively identifies Ivan Millet as the man who was calling himself Bill who offered him a ride and
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tried to take his life firing the gun at him as he was running from him Joanne Barry the woman who was brave
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enough to stop her van and allow a complete stranger to get inside the vehicle when others wouldn't even stop
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to help poor Paul she was able to positively identify Ivan Millet as the man that she said she saw
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that day with the gun all right cheers mates Cheers Cheers Cheers captain law enforcement they were locking in on
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this Ivan millet they surveilled Ivan for weeks they tapped his phone and police located a vehicle that he
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once owned this is the four-wheel drive vehicle that Paul onions says that this man named Bill quote unquote bill was
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driving when he picked him up and attacked him so they found this new owner they confirmed that it was in fact
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a vehicle that was purchased from Ivan still inside the vehicle they located a 22 caliber bullet under the driver's
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seat it matched bullets that were found at the murder scenes so this is some this is some big info
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here there's some difficulty with the investigation because of another brother and this brother's name is in fact bill
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right so what becomes difficult with this case is Ivan for whatever reason was registering vehicles in his
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brother's name for a good portion of his life um the other thing too why is he doing
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that I don't know if this was with his brother's permission or if he was just doing this on his own right but surely
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if you are up to no good it is an advantage for you to be able to drive vehicles but not have them
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necessarily in your name right [Music] so with all this information and a lot of it being
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information coming from Paul onions it sounds like police are ready to make an arrest and they're going to arrest
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Ivan millet but remember all along they anticipated that their killer should they be on to
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the right guy if the heat got cranked up too high for his liking if an arrest was
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expected he very likely would want to do it on his own terms and go out in a blaze of glory yeah
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police knew how dangerous whoever this man was they knew that who they were looking for
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is probably a weapons enthusiast so they knew psycho though yes yeah this is a psycho
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so they knew what to expect if they in fact had their right guy so when they go to make the arrest on
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Ivan Millet they're going to be a little nervous in this situation but they're also going to bring everything that you
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got right you bring the kitchen sink Ivan's house was surrounded by about 50 armed officers most of them heavily
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armed officers phone calls were placed to the home the general strategy here is Captain you
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want to try to get your guy to come outside you really want to avoid going in after him
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so on these phone calls they're trying to explain to him why they want to talk to him why he is being arrested that day
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and in a good strategy here for many reasons they basically tell them look you're suspected in an armed robbery we
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need to talk to you about that and we have a warrant for your arrest in regards to that
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that case notice that they are conveniently avoiding the seven unsolved murders when
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talking to Ivan right Ivan didn't want to come outside he he did this kind of weird game of like cat
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and mouse where at first he kind of said yeah I'll be out just give me a few minutes
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and then a lot of time would go by and he still not come out this of course making the police more nervous and more
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nervous as it goes along they would call him back he would try the same tactic I'm coming out but I don't understand
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why you're here to talk to me I've not done anything wrong now he's playing the Innocence card right this goes back and
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forth for a while until he he does eventually end up coming outside right so on May 22nd 1994 Ivan Millet is
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arrested correct and we talked about the former Constable earlier who gave the story to Steve Warnock and a story to
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the Sydney Morning Herald um this is Constable Paul Gordon this is where Paul Gordon's story gets
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tricky and I've tried to sift through this and I can't really find out that the real details here but what we do know is
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that Paul Gordon at some point spoke to the newspaper okay and in this time that he's talking to him initially
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it seems like he not only takes credit for the theory brought forward about the hitchhikers and the location but he also
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takes credit for finding the the previous case from 1971 that names Ivan Millet as the suspect
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and he tells this to the newspaper so he presents a story in the light where it's
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almost like I'm the guy that cracked the case and in a lot of tellings of this story
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in this case it seems more so that maybe just as much as that scenario but it also seems like the Paul onions the
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former victim the Survivor that came forward was just as much that cracked this case right and so where Paul Gordon
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gets in trouble the the former Constable where he gets in trouble there was an a
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an agreement amongst the task force and amongst the members that were the closest involved in this investigation
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and in the arrest of Ivan millet that they were not to talk to the newspapers Paul Gordon did
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so Paul Gordon was eventually let go from that task force that's why it gets difficult to sift through his words and
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know what to believe and know not what to believe right right because we don't know
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if he was let go because he talked to the paper or if he lied being the guy that quote unquote cracked the case
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but that was something that went down now because Paul Gordon spoke to the newspapers now a lot of their stuff is
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starting to become public that's why they didn't want anybody talking to the newspapers that were involved in the
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task force that makes it harder to get a conviction yeah and it also makes it tougher for the investigators to
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continue down the roads that they've already traveled down they've already started down these roads on
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investigating Ivan Millet for seven unsolved murders they've only arrested him for the armed robbery charge
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now it shows their hand that this is what we actually want him for this is what we actually think he's suspected of
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right and the fact that they're still not for sure if it's if if it's just Ivan that's responsible or is it Ivan
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and one of his brothers that they've already talked to and so you don't want to show all your hand because
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you don't want Ivan to be protecting one of his brothers and you then you have another psychopath that's out on the
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loose well and you want to make sure that you have your right guy and you want to make sure that you are building
00:35:08
your case as such but now with their cards kind of shown with their cards out there
00:35:16
this is when the the lead member of the task force says we were kind of forced at this point to actually start charging
00:35:25
him with these unsolved murders now at this same time the whole thing that's really going down and actually
00:35:31
they've been working their way through this there were searches obviously of Ivan's home and of many of his family
00:35:39
members homes as well and they were very smart they did these searches basically all at the same time
00:35:47
so as you pointed out we can't have the different Millet family members warning each other of what's going on if in fact
00:35:55
more are involved yeah so now that they have Ivan and their sites they're going to have to search their property they
00:36:01
they live just outside the city they're going to search some of his family members homes about the same time
00:36:10
right well they find some interesting things in Ivan's home and most importantly they find a 22
00:36:19
rifle they find parts to another 22 rifle they find a pistol and they find one of
00:36:26
those large Bowie knives now he he is said time and time again to the investigators that he didn't own any
00:36:36
weapons and of course they immediately find weapons inside his home they also recovered a trove of items believed to
00:36:43
belong to the killed hitchhikers these items included clothing tents sleeping bags backpacks cooking and
00:36:53
camping equipment and cameras this is a lot of stuff and some of this stuff they can't 100
00:37:01
percent say belong to a victim right but they can say I believe it was with one of the it was
00:37:10
with some of the camping equipment yeah no but what I mean by this is there there was one of these items you
00:37:20
couldn't purchase it in in Australia right you had to purchase it from where one of the victims was from so the the
00:37:28
probability that he would own something like this highly unlikely right and then on top of
00:37:35
that we have scenarios where there are items that do seem to in fact belong to the victims where you can make a direct
00:37:43
connection where there's more proof of such like the initials being stitched into one of the items right and so this
00:37:52
is not looking good for Ivan so they searched his mother's home as well and at least three of his brother's
00:38:00
homes as well so this would be Alex Richard and Bill I believe his father was dead his father
00:38:10
had passed away wait you know they would have searched at least four of the brothers because Walter his home was
00:38:17
searched as well his sister Ivan's sister is a bit tricky for me because look so that not only is this a big
00:38:25
family with a lot of brothers and a lot of moving pieces but at one time throughout their adult lives they were
00:38:32
all a lot of them were moving back and forth in and out of mom's home and so some of them lived together for a
00:38:38
while under her roof and I believe that maybe even Ivan and his sister shared a home together at one time
00:38:45
what the the big problem is with this is that not only do they find these these damning items inside Ivan's home
00:38:56
they start finding other items that belong to these victims in the homes of his relatives as well and again
00:39:04
this is things like clothing tents backpacks cookware things of that nature some of these brothers homes they found
00:39:13
guns lots of ammo and marijuana so at the very least those Brothers can be arrested and charged with if they if
00:39:23
they had any legal guns we know that the drugs were illegal there were charges that were brought forth on that nature
00:39:28
now well yeah this family was known to one own a bunch of guns but to be Avid Shooters you know they're like I said
00:39:35
they lived out out of the city and this is a time where you don't have internet and cable and things like this so there
00:39:42
were Avid you know gun shooters well and a lot of the brothers had they were Rowdy let's say
00:39:50
right A lot of them had criminal records well there's there's ten of them I mean
00:39:55
if you grow up in a family just with one other sibling you're going to tend to get in some uh arguments or fights or
00:40:03
you know little tussles uh be or especially if it's you know two boys because or commit armed robbery together
00:40:10
like they did yeah but what I'm saying is there's there's ten of them so you just got this testosterone going and you
00:40:18
know it wasn't rumored I think it's pretty factual that these kids were beat uh at least the boys were beat up pretty
00:40:27
bad by their father uh consistently uh very abusive household so when you have that going and that probably stems from
00:40:38
anger and stems from a lack of resources and lack of money and also you have 14 kids that you're trying to feed I want
00:40:46
to talk about stresses um you know when when you get beat by your father you might then try to take that
00:40:52
out on your brother well regardless of all these items that they find throughout the different
00:40:58
households when it this thing comes to trial Ivan's going to be the only one facing trial
00:41:06
and he's now being charged with the seven murders as well as the crimes against Paul onions
00:41:13
Ivan to his credit during the whole time that he's being investigated during the
00:41:19
whole time of of his interrogations and the questioning and the interviewing right and even the trial itself he's
00:41:25
always stuck to his guns he his regardless of what he's been accused of he's maintained his innocence throughout
00:41:33
now at trial not only did he maintain his innocence he in fact pointed the finger at a couple of his brothers this
00:41:41
would be Walter and Richard and his defense that was put forward basically was stating that
00:41:51
the crimes were not commit committed by Ivan they were either committed by one or both Richard and Walter right the
00:41:59
interesting thing here too though is the crown okay so basically the the prosecutors and whatnot
00:42:06
they are saying during the course of this trial we do not have to prove whether Ivan acted alone or not right we
00:42:15
just are trying to prove that he was involved that he did it and they said that the evidence they actually pointed
00:42:22
this out which which is weird to me but at one point they even said something to
00:42:29
the fact that that the evidence somewhat strongly suggested that he may not have acted alone but they were so
00:42:36
sure that he was in fact involved he is regardless of who else could have been involved Ivan was responsible for the
00:42:45
crimes we are charging him with and this time they're going to get a guilty verdict yeah I mean it was a difficult
00:42:51
trial for all the reasons that we just pointed out but it was in fact July 27 1996 a jury found Ivan Millet guilty of
00:43:01
seven unsolved Backpacker murders he received seven life sentences for this without the possibility of parole
00:43:10
but our story doesn't end there does it Captain we got we got some more stuff to
00:43:14
get through because on his first day to the Maitland jail where he was going to be housed Ivan was beat up by another
00:43:24
inmate so there's your housewarming gift for you Mr Ivan welcome to prison yeah you get get your ass kicked on day one
00:43:33
you get [ __ ] up a year later Ivan and another inmate George Sava they worked together in an attempt to escape from
00:43:44
prison however they were caught in this attempted Escape Plan and the next day they find George dead in his cell
00:43:54
now they move Ivan to another prison to a Maximum Security Prison uh at another location
00:44:00
there are some more prison Antics here uh Ivan swallowed razor blades and Staples in a metal chain oh on one day
00:44:10
swallow some may the blade yeah and then in 2009 he cut off his little finger with a plastic knife on purpose yeah
00:44:20
yeah so this this is a just kind of a real dumbass plan here but so he he gets this this is actually
00:44:28
considered a privilege at the prison where he was housed if you were under good behavior for x amount of period at
00:44:37
some point you are allowed to receive a a plastic knife like what you would get at a picnic right a plastic knife to to
00:44:46
use while eating your meals yeah he had received this privilege and once he did so he decides to take a plastic knife
00:44:54
and attempts to cut off his little finger to which he was successful but his goal was to mail to put the finger
00:45:02
in the mail put it in an envelope hand it off to a guard and ask them to mail it well as the newspaper put it cutting
00:45:10
off a finger is quite painful so once he got to that part of the plan where the finger is now off he had trouble putting
00:45:18
it in the envelope and getting it to the guard basically his plan went sideways real quick because he didn't account for
00:45:27
how much pain he would be in uh this he was transferred to he's a psycho he was transferred to a hospital because of
00:45:37
this but they could not reattach the finger so it is no more uh he has on several
00:45:45
occasions attempted hunger strikes to get things that he wants to get his way the most famous of these hunger
00:45:53
strikes lasted nine days this was because he wanted a PlayStation in his cell the hunger strike ended and I'm very
00:46:02
happy to report that little Ivan did not get his PlayStation oh so sad one key thing with this case has always been
00:46:13
are there more victims yeah and if there are how many more well are there more victims I mean because
00:46:21
like you said he had the crimes a decade earlier that he didn't uh he he didn't get it he got acquitted for
00:46:29
see that just makes you wonder how many missing people are there and how many missing people have not been reported
00:46:36
missing because they were foreigners well and we're also talking about from from the time that he abducted those two
00:46:43
women beat the charges and then to the time that he's finally arrested we have two decades that went by right two
00:46:50
decades it went by and the murders that he's convicted of they actually happened
00:46:54
in just the years leading up to his capture right so how long was he active for and if in fact he was going to kill
00:47:04
those victims back in 1971 was that his intention all along if he was active that entire time I mean we know he shot
00:47:12
at Paul onions so it appears that that murder was his intent there or at the very least was his reaction to Paul
00:47:19
trying to flee him now we know that Ivan was questioned back in 2004 this regarding The Disappearance of two
00:47:27
Nurses Back In 1980 he was working in the area at the time then two years later in 2006 Ivan was named by police
00:47:36
as the main suspect in a double homicide in all it looks like there may have been
00:47:42
about 10 more cases that they you know they they like him for it they think that he's a good suspect in these 10
00:47:51
other cases and one of these cases dates all the way back to 1971. but we don't think he's going to
00:47:59
confess to these um I don't know I mean he's never he's never been one to confess he's
00:48:06
always maintained his innocence throughout even all this time in prison possible deathbed confession yeah and
00:48:14
the thing here though too is I I really wonder about a lot of these other cases because it would point out
00:48:22
to me a couple of things either he wasn't taking trophies from the earlier victims or he
00:48:30
discarded of those trophies at some point it's just very difficult because I I think he's probably good for some more I
00:48:38
don't think he's good for all 10 or 12 of these depending on what list you look at well we both agree that he's
00:48:45
responsible for the attacks on the the the lesbian couple oh yeah right yeah so we agree on that
00:48:53
yeah I'm actually really shocked that even whatever you know regardless of the strategy I'm shocked that any strategy
00:48:59
worked in that case after reviewing it but I think you said it best though I think it was because it was so
00:49:06
um you know so many years ago that's why that Malarkey worked but that being you know almost cop for that
00:49:17
and then the armed robbery That Could Have Been Enough To possibly scare this psycho away for a while
00:49:25
so like you said uh do you like him forever all these crimes I don't know I think he would have would have been
00:49:32
taking more items from the victims like you were saying yeah I I wonder in some of these cases
00:49:39
I've seen with two of them that I've reviewed out of that list those two almost feel to me like
00:49:46
there is no real connection and look I get it there is no real connection between Ivan and the ones
00:49:53
that he is convicted of but and the others there seems to be more of a scenario where he looks good for those
00:50:02
he looks there is some connection he was in the area at the time he may have been
00:50:07
active at the time so on and so forth a couple of them you look like you wonder if they're just starting
00:50:12
hey well let's take a shot at it it's like throwing a dart at the board and hoping that you close the case
00:50:19
off of off of little to nothing right so in um 2012. his nephew Matthew Millette was
00:50:32
convicted in court of murder because in 2010 he attacked a boy named David archoloni
00:50:43
so this poor kid David was struck over the head with a battle ax it was a double-bladed battle ax and get this
00:50:52
this attack took place in the blanglo State Forest the same place where Ivan Millet buried seven victims in the 90s
00:51:02
so David was I don't know if you call him a friend but they knew each other Matthew and
00:51:09
David knew each other and another guy Cohen Klein was friends with Matthew Millette as well the two 19
00:51:17
year olds Matthew and Cohen they lured 17 year old David this was on his birthday to the state forest they got
00:51:27
him to go along with them because they were promising him hey it's your birthday we're going to party at the
00:51:32
State Forest we got booze we got pot really the whole thing was a setup because once they get there at some
00:51:38
point Matthew starts chasing David around a car with the ax now the super gross and disgusting thing in this case
00:51:48
is the Cohen the the coincline the other person there Matthew's friend right as Matthew is attacking David Cohen
00:52:00
he recorded the whole thing on the audio anyway on his mobile phone and both of these guys were convicted
00:52:10
Millet got 43 years and then we have Klein got 30 years I'm sorry might have been 32 my notes
00:52:19
are a little difficult here but in the Klein case he has a minimum sentence of 22 years
00:52:25
that he's going to face for that and the saddest part of it is this murder took about two minutes to
00:52:34
commit the audio recording it recorded the full two minutes and the I mean the judges heard it and some
00:52:43
of the people at trial heard portions of this audio and it was very clear that this young man this boy David was
00:52:52
he was basically tortured and suffered very badly the last two minutes of his life
00:52:59
the the strangest thing about this Matthew Millette character the the the nephew who's now in prison and I don't
00:53:07
know if there's a way to change this or or the the exact stipulations of his sentencing
00:53:14
this Matthew Millette guy should never be allowed out of prison yeah it's absolute worst I I I really think
00:53:23
and I don't want to get get into this too much but I think you know cost Effectiveness and all this stuff with
00:53:29
the death penalty it doesn't work for some states but it should be this simple you kill somebody uh you know uh you
00:53:37
know first degree murder you go well away for Life yeah yeah let's not get this is a long road to go
00:53:44
down right right you know he he tortured this guy we have uh and we know he didn't have evidence
00:53:52
of it and and he's he's gonna possibly get out one day and all he's gonna do is he's chances are now what we can hope
00:54:00
for is that he will not be a model uh citizen in prison and then he'll have to do do more time but uh but yeah these
00:54:08
these individuals they can't be helped well as Justice Matthews pointed out during the trial and at the during the
00:54:16
sentencing phase anyway was that Millet showed no remorse and poses a huge serious threat to the
00:54:25
community this basically was a cold-blooded premeditated Thrill Kill that this that this guy did and then on
00:54:34
top of that what's weird too is that is not his his last name by birth yes he's related to Ivan Millet but he's
00:54:44
like the the Great he's like a a cousin or sorry a great nephew of him and he had a different
00:54:52
last name but changed it because it's too late when he was 14. now I don't know if he was just going by the last
00:54:59
name of millet rather than officially having changed it but regardless I mean right you're psychic you see where we're
00:55:06
going with that now we talked about the case against Neville Knight in the trailer and I'm betting some of you are
00:55:17
wondering what does that have to do with this case we never really gave you the outcome of the story of the 16 year old
00:55:25
boy who was picked up by the cab driver the explosion that the cab driver heard the boy fired a gun through the back
00:55:33
seat shooting Neville in the back okay and the boy rather than helping Neville he just opened up the door
00:55:42
observed the damage he wanted to see the Damage Done and he ran off into the darkness
00:55:49
we do have a man that was convicted of that crime this was a guy that confessed shortly after this was a few months
00:56:02
after the fact we have Alan Dillon who confessed to shooting Neville Knight in the back in that cab he was sentenced to
00:56:11
five years for the shooting the attack left Neville Knight a paraplegic and he didn't live an extremely long
00:56:22
life he did live many years after that and he did a lot of good for other people he became an advocate for wounded
00:56:31
individuals so he did a lot of good in his life but where this story kind of circles back
00:56:37
around is in 2015 Ivan's brother Boris Millet he said that Ivan told him he was the one that shot Neville Knight back in
00:56:49
1962 in that cab that he shot the cab driver observed him and ran off now where we get the
00:56:57
confession from is many years later Alan Dillon the man who served five years for this attack he said the way it
00:57:08
was presented to him during the interviews with police was that they suspected his younger
00:57:14
brother Alan Dillon's younger brother of committing the crime Alan Dillon took it
00:57:20
upon himself to give them a false confession to spare his brother the jail sentence
00:57:26
right and unfortunately all these years later when this story finally comes to light in 2015
00:57:35
Neville Knight is no longer around to to confirm these suspicions but if in fact boris's statements
00:57:45
regarding his brother saying I was the one that shot that cab driver 19 in 1962. you can see the progression and it
00:57:53
also goes to what you can imagine Ivan was doing to his victims out there in the State Forest as he traveled as he
00:58:02
chased them down remember choice of weapon killer choice of victim killer he got them out there he chose his weapons
00:58:09
he chose his attack and it's almost you see the progression that started at the age of 16 when he sat in the back of
00:58:18
that cab and fired the gun into the seat and into the back of Neville Knight we do have a
00:58:25
somewhat of an update I know it's our first time covering this but Ivan has been in the news quite a bit
00:58:32
lately and this is because in May of this year may of 2019 Ivan Millet was it's been reported anyway that he was
00:58:41
diagnosed with terminal esophageal cancer and I know I probably didn't say that in the best way but it's basically
00:58:50
cancer of the esophagus this from my understanding of a friend of mine his father
00:58:58
um suffered this same type of cancer and from what I've been told this is not a look they're all bad cancers but this
00:59:07
one is particularly bad where the the survival rate is not very high at all so as you pointed out earlier Captain
00:59:16
you wonder given that this man probably has days left if in fact we will see some type of
00:59:25
deathbed confession maybe it's maybe it's not all the information that's out there
00:59:32
maybe it doesn't you know but maybe it clears some things up we have other family members of his that have been
00:59:38
accused by the public in in suspicions upon them throughout the years Ivan did say through
00:59:46
when he was in prison many years after he was convicted that his brothers are not guilty of anything although he still
00:59:53
claims to be innocent of the murders themselves right but I want to break down that scenario a little bit better
01:00:00
because I think him trying to put the blame on his brothers I think that eventually came back to his mother and
01:00:07
he was kind of favored by his mother Ivan was So eventually at some point the rumor is or or what people speculate is
01:00:15
that he told his mother hey they're not responsible and actually confessed to her all of his crimes
01:00:23
that's what they believe yeah yeah I've I went down that road and I um but it's not like she has wrote him down and uh
01:00:33
did a press conference about it or anything so the way that I understand that is that the one of the lead
01:00:40
investigators I believe he was the man in charge of the task force he he wrote a book and His Name Escapes me at the
01:00:47
moment but he wrote a book about the case and actually there there are several books out there regarding this
01:00:53
case yes the way that I understand the story is he that investigator eventually heard this statement through one of the
01:01:03
brothers that the mother the mother apparently told one of the brothers Ivan confessed
01:01:10
to me and then she passed away so like everything else with this story it's not a clean
01:01:18
it's not a clean ending it's okay the story comes from one of the other brothers we know that other brothers
01:01:25
were well and the other class suspects or or you know at least suspicion from the public yeah because some of the
01:01:33
items that they found uh that they believe Ivan had were actually found in his brother's possession
01:01:42
um but now if you follow that story back it was items that he took from his family his home when he moved so it
01:01:51
wasn't like it wasn't like these items just happened to be at his house these items came from the family's house
01:02:01
um but I I think what's also really interesting is the his defense lawyer that which defended
01:02:08
him you know decades earlier and and the trial of the Marsden I think was his last name and before he passed
01:02:17
away he was saying that he believed um that none of the brothers actually helped Ivan but it was actually Ivan's
01:02:25
sister that helped him commit these crimes yeah I saw that the the other thing that's weird here
01:02:32
though while we talk about the brothers um Walter millet so the one of the most damning pieces of
01:02:41
evidence against Ivan during the course of his trial remember we stated that there were some
01:02:47
Firearms found in Ivan's home but actually the the thing that was worse for him was the peace
01:02:54
I said there were some gun parts that were found in his home it was one of the parts of of a 22 rifle that was found
01:03:01
that was a piece of evidence that was so very strong against Ivan because it was
01:03:07
found concealed in his home like hidden like purposely if you saw the thing you knew like somebody was trying to hide
01:03:14
this and not just hide it for today tomorrow or next week they didn't want anybody to find it ever
01:03:20
so when they found this piece and they ran their ballistics on it of course they had to you know reattach it to
01:03:27
other pieces of of guns and things like that but what they determined after firing bullets through that part was
01:03:36
that the markings on those bullets matched markings on bullets at multiple crime scenes at multiple murder scenes
01:03:44
basically knowing that that part of that gun was involved in the murder of those
01:03:49
victims that was found in Ivan's home in his possession what's interesting is out of all these
01:03:57
brothers we say he's got four sisters and nine brothers big family out of the whole family I even had a
01:04:05
a a a fairly sophisticated security system and he was known to be extremely protective insecure of his home and we
01:04:16
can only imagine the the many reasons why out of all of his family Walter Millet
01:04:24
was the only one that had access 24 7 to his whole so many have wandered throughout the years
01:04:32
this piece of evidence that was really the strongest piece of evidence against Ivan
01:04:37
Walter would have had the ability to place it in the home yeah there's a lot of stuff with this
01:04:45
family and we could probably spend another hour talking about some of the speculation but just to go over it
01:04:50
really quickly at some point people believe that Ivan was having affairs with his brother's
01:04:57
wives um there's also then rumors that Ivan was having a sexual relationship with one of his sisters supposedly the
01:05:10
whole family knew about it supposedly multiple Brothers had sexual relationships with that sister
01:05:19
you know like I said there was reports of physical abuse from the father possible physical abuse from the mother
01:05:28
um and so then you wonder if he was having an affair with one of his brother's wives is that enough to
01:05:36
you know plant evidence you know to get him convicted of a crime he didn't commit
01:05:43
uh there's just so many things strange about this family and and so many things you could dive in
01:05:50
um the speculation of this family well Ivan Millet is often referred to as Australia's most notorious and Infamous
01:05:59
serial killer and even though we have the convictions we are left here today believing we
01:06:07
still do not have all the answers and how about a little recommended reading before we wrap things up for
01:06:16
this week this week we're going to recommend BTK the true story behind the 30-year hunt for the notorious Wichita
01:06:24
serial killer by the great John Douglas this of course this recommendation in the spirit of Mind Hunter season two
01:06:34
which we have been discussing and will be discussing on our other great show off the Record so until next week
01:06:41
everybody out there be good be kind and don't litter foreign [Music]