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true crime [Music] [Music] hey beautiful I won't be able to get to develop Farms to get that basket I was
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hoping you would get this message and uh go on out there I'll see you in a bit we
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love you bye foreign [Music] did you ever hit her did you ever injure her no no my God no um
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violence towards women and is unapproachable it is the most disgusting act to me and I know that the suspicion
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has turned me and it's uh it's starting to be one because I'm her husband and that's natural
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thing and I would I answered your question because the suspicion that that's been turned to me and it turned
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to me because of the inappropriate romantic that I have with Amber Friday and yes he
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confirmed he did have the affair why were you doing it I I can't answer I don't know
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that's a question you should have an answer to definitely not I don't know were you in love with him no I'd have to
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say that I respect her and as I imagine everyone does after seeing her come out and do the press
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conference an amazing character she has was this the first time are there others
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out there no there's no one else who can come forward no you know our romantic relationship and
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that is a it's inappropriate it was inappropriate and I owe tremendous apology to
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to everyone obviously including Amber and her family and her friends and and our families
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it should have been it should have been brought forth by me immediately the the Romantic
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relationship had you told anyone did you tell police tell the police immediately
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when that was uh the first night we're together so the police I spent with the police you told them about her yeah from
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December 24th on did your wife find out about it I told my wife and um early December
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did it cause a rupture in the marriage it was not um a positive obviously it's a
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yeah inappropriate um but it was not something that we weren't dealing with a lot of arguing no no uh like I you
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know I can't say that that even you know she was okay with the idea but it wasn't anything that would break us
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apart there wasn't a lot of anger no do you really expect people to believe that an eight and a half month pregnant
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woman learns her husband has had an affair and distinctly and Casual about it accommodating makes a peace with it
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well I yeah you don't know no one knows our relationship with us um and that's that peace with it
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not happy about it why did you tell her is the right thing there's another resume than that
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and did you see her again after you told Lacy yes you saw Amber again I did but didn't tell her
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I didn't tell Lacey didn't tell Amber no no no that was definitely not the right thing
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because again you know that people sitting at home have imagined that either you were in love with
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someone else therefore you decided to get rid of this entanglement namely your wife and your child
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or there was just an angry confrontation [Music] [Music] Modesto California is a beautiful city
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the weather and the proximity to the ocean make it a great place to live a great place to raise a family and grow
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old violent crime is very low in Modesto but keep your vehicle parked in the garage if you can as Modesto has one of
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the highest percentages of vehicle thefts in our nation Lacey Denise Roca was born in 1975. the
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daughter of Sharon and Dennis Lacey grew up in Modesto her parents split up when
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she was very young and her mother went on to remarry her stepfather was a Dairy Farmer so Lacey was raised on a farm
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now she had an older brother Brent and a younger half-sister Amy Lacey was a cheerleader in high school and majored
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in Horticulture at California Polytech Institute in San Luis Obispo Scott Lee Peterson was born in 1972 in
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San Diego California to Lee Arthur Peterson a businessman who owned a crate packaging company and Jackie Helen
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Latham who owned a boutique called the put on Lee and Jackie had six children from previous relationships Scott was
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their only child together almost like The Brady Bunch now Scott took to playing golf at an early age a result of
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time spent with his father by age 14 he could beat his father in a round of golf
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for a time he had dreams of becoming a professional golfer like Phil Mickelson who was his teammate at the University
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of San Diego High School by the end of high school he was one of the top Junior golfers in San Diego and in 1990
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Peterson enrolled at Arizona State University where Mickelson had also enrolled on a partial golf scholarship
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Mickelson would go on to become a very highly successful PGA golfer and later Lee Peterson
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would state that his son was discouraged by the considerable competition that Mickelson presented at Arizona State So
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eventually Scott Peterson would transfer out of Arizona State and he found his way to California Polytech State
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University where as stated Lacey was attending school he initially planned to major in
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international business but changed his major to agricultural business professors who taught Scott described
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him as a model student and his Agro business professor Jim Ahern commented I wouldn't mind having a class
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full of Scott Peterson's so Scott and Lacey met while they were both attending Cal Poly
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Scott was working as a waiter at the Pacific Cafe Scott took Lacey's order and she was so attracted to him that she
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asked a friend to give Peterson her phone number they began dating and on their first date they went deep sea
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fishing in which Lacey got seasick well that should have been assigned to her the couple dated for two years and
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eventually moved in together now in 1997 after Lacey graduated they married at Sycamore Mineral Springs Resort
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Scott would have to stay in college and finish his senior year meanwhile Lacey took a job after Scott graduated the
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Petersons opened up a sports bar called the shack the business was initially slow but eventually improved especially
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on weekends the Petersons later sold the shack in 2000 when they moved to Lacey's
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hometown of Modesto to start their family in October of 2000 they purchased a three-bedroom home for 177 thousand
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dollars on Covina Avenue in an upscale neighborhood near leiloma Park Lacey started working part-time as a
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substitute teacher Scott got a job at trade Corp USA a newly founded subsidiary of a Spanish fertilizer
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Company the company was trying to establish a customer base in the U.S and hired Scott as their West Coast
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representative working on a salary plus commission base Peterson sold fertilizer irrigation
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systems chemical nutrients and related products to big farms and flower Growers primarily in California Arizona and New
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Mexico Lacy she worked enthusiastically at being the perfect housewife enjoying cooking and entertaining their friends
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in 2002 she was excited when she found out she was pregnant the baby was due February 10 2003.
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now on December 24 2002 it's Christmas Eve and Lacey was eight months pregnant with the couple's first child whom they
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had already named Connor the nursery was ready for the baby painted blue and decorated with a nautical theme
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according to Scott he and Lacey woke together at their home in Modesto California after eating breakfast and
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watching some TV Scott was going to spend part of the day fishing he left the house at 9 30 a.m just before
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leaving Scott was seen in the driveway loading umbrellas into his truck the outside umbrellas he had three of
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them and he was going to take them to his Warehouse he had a warehouse that he would work out of and we know it was him
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because it was the next door neighbor that saw him and they exchanged a quick wave hello Lacey told him she was going
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to mop the floor take the dog for a walk you know do some normal household things
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yeah they have a party a family party they're going to attend to later that day now Scott first drove to his nearby
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Warehouse to send emails and retrieve his boat so this Warehouse is where he worked out of and Not only would he read
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some and send some emails but he also assembled something thing for work yeah it was a saw after he hooks up the boat
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in the trailer to his truck he's going to head out to Berkeley Marina which is about 86 miles away
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Scott goes fishing for about 90 minutes then at 2 17 p.m Scott left this voicemail on Lacey's cell phone hi
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beautiful I just left you a message at home 2 15. I'm leaving Berkeley I won't be able to get to Villa Farms to get the
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basket for Papa I was hoping you would get this message and go out there I'll see you in a little bit sweetie I love
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you bye Scott returned his boat to the warehouse he did stop off for gas and then he went home to an empty house and
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he showered he says he got home around or about 4 30. Scott noticed Lacey's vehicle still at the house as well as
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her purse and car keys Scott did some laundry washing the clothes he wore that day as they were dirty from working and
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fishing about an hour passes and Scott said that he just assumed Lacey went to her mother's house that the
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Mother-in-law had come by and picked her up so he calls his mother-in-law's asking and looking for his wife
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she says he's not there and then a half an hour later Lacy's stepfather called 9-1-1 to report that Lacey was missing
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of course we should say that the neighbor found their dog the Peterson's dog still wearing a leash and wandering
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in front of the house by itself there's conflicting reports on what I could find
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as to an exact time of what time the neighbor believes they found the dog but what I have is that it was in the 11
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o'clock I'm sorry 10 o'clock to 11 o'clock hour yeah a lot of people suspect based on her
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receipts and errands that she ran that day it would have been about 10 18. the police were acting on this call this
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missing person's call immediately and Scott first met Modesto Police on the day that Lacey went missing at a nearby
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park where he was there supposedly looking for Lacey this was a park where she was known to have walked the dog
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and as Lacey's husband Scott was immediately on the police's radar now police gave Scott opportunities to
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be forthcoming with information and Scott was Cooperative at least in the beginning
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Scott allowed them to search their home this was very quickly after Lacey was reported missing right the authorities
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also searched Peterson's pickup truck toolbox warehouse and boat Scott answered their questions I guess
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the best that he could police noted Scott's strange Behavior such as how he couldn't remember the kind of bait he
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was using when he was supposedly out there fishing that morning right nor did he know what kind of fish he was fishing
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for so on on top of that his boat is made for fresh water and he was in the San Francisco Bay which is salt water so I
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think a little explanation is needed here um we have this this man Scott Peterson
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who says that on Christmas Eve rather than spending the day with my wife who's expecting our child I decided
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to go out fishing now we can't we're not going to crucify anybody for that okay maybe that was Sean man maybe that was
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something that was agreed upon between the two of them and he was eager to try out this boat or to be out on the boat
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and fishing the thing that's strange here though for me Captain is he's out by himself
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and again he doesn't know what kind of bait he's using he doesn't know what kind of fish he's fishing for
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um well on on top of that you have a boat that is again made for fresh water and you're in salt water it's also uh
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nine foot long boat I believe and and it's not that type of boat is not commonly used in that type of water
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not not just the salt water but and the conditions that the San Francisco Bay is
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normally in it's not meant for that and it's not like you said it's not a very big boat and the other thing too I
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remember when news of this story broke I just assumed that Scott was a Avid fishermen and it turns out that he's
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he's not he he doesn't you know he's not a weekend warrior that goes out all the
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time no but he he did fish in his past and that that was something people did know that he has done right right but
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like I said my expectations when the when the news broke was I was like oh well this guy probably goes out fishing
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all the time they're calling this into question and maybe it shouldn't be called into question the guy didn't
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didn't know what kind of fish he was fishing for in that area nor what bait to use during that particular trip but
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what he could offer up was uh proof that he was on his boat and he that he went to the Berkeley Marina and evidence of
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such was a launch ticket receipt from the marina right because you have to put your boat into the water and so when he
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when you go to do that you have to get a launch ticket now what's important in this story is to know what it said and
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it's the little details so let's just stay with with on December 24th the call is made to the mother and father-in-law
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Scott's going to call his mother and father-in-law they're the ones that are going to call 9-1-1 saying hey our
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daughter's missing she's been missing since roughly 9 30. our son-in-law went golfing okay they didn't say he went
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fishing he says he went fishing they say he went golfing Scott then goes next door and starts
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knocking on the neighbors asking if anybody's seen Lacey nobody has seen her he goes to the park this is when he
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meets up with the police officers they take him downtown now normally in a missing person case when they're talking
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to the husband they don't record the initial interview but for whatever reason that day the police decided we're
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going to record this in that they ask him is there any problems with the marriage he says absolutely none they
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say do you mind taking a polygraph the following day on Christmas he says no problem at all I will take one
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right and we also know that they search the Peterson house that day as well yeah
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so let's go through that a little bit in better detail so there are a lot of reports out there
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I lead into that Captain but I say there are a lot of reports out there there's like a million different stories you
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know online newspaper this was huge news it's not even just fair to say big news
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this was this was known in other countries um and followed by people in other countries well a lot of that because is
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because there's normally a very slow news cycle around the holidays and so when this broke when this story broke a
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lot of reporters were thinking hey this is this is our next OJ this is our next JonBenet Ramsey case well and the thing
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here too is in some of those reports actually in a good amount of those reports that I read
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says Peterson reported his wife is missing Peterson reported Lacey missing and we you and I know that not to be
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true now that may not mean anything in the grand scheme of things but just so we're clear he's not the one that called
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police it was in fact his father-in-law which again I think you can't look into too much because hey I'm a little
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nervous let's call the cops and Scott says okay well I'll go next door and start knocking on the doors and the
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other thing too is where even I said it this way uh Scott met the officers at the park where Lacey typically would
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walk the dog my understanding of it is that his father-in-law Lacey's stepfather insisted that they send an
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officer over to that area to that neighborhood to ask Scott for the details so I don't know I can't say 100
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if Scott willingly knew he was meeting the police officer or officers at the park right or like you said said he's
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out looking in the neighborhood for his wife and happens to come across the officer that was sent by The Stepfather
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who insisted that the officers go out there so basically this story that Scott is telling that we can there's some
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evidence that possibly he's telling the truth I mean he talks about what they did in the morning what he did when he
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got home so when he talks about like she was going to Mom and when he got home he
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found the mop and the bucket so he dumps out the the bucket and puts the mop back
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in but he leaves it outside that's something that the police found at their home right uh they also find
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the bed is made they find the clothes that she supposedly was wearing the day before or in the hamper they find a
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bench that is out and you know hair tools to I that's probably the worst way to call it hair tools I I saw someone
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put your hair tools away I saw one report that it was a curling iron other Reports say maybe it was uh curls
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curlers right as you would say I also believe that he says you know I might have ate a piece of pizza for breakfast
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but I ate one when I got home from fishing when I took a shower they find his clothes in the washer they find
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evidence that he did have pizza at some point so yeah I guess a pizza box was found either on the counter or on the
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table right and then I believe he also explains to him I found the dog in the backyard with the leash on so
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some of these things that he is stating parts of the story that he believes happen there's evidence of such yes and
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further Evidence would be that Scott shows the police his work computer at some point and their law enforcement
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they saw the time stamped work emails yeah eventually they're going to go to his Work Warehouse the first time that
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they go to the Work Warehouse he claims that the power is out now maybe it was maybe it wasn't but they end up
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opening up the there's a I believe the way it works and they they say it's in a strip mall but I think it's more of a
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like one of these smaller Warehouse strips and so you have a a door that goes into
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your office and you then you have almost like a bay you have a garage door that would come up yeah and it looks exactly
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like that that it's a big Warehouse that's separated into these smaller units that are rented out or it's some
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kind of storage facility you know some people work out of those self storage units the two big things here though
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that we can prove he's not lying about is the big actions of his day one he did go to work as he said and two he was
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definitely on his boat at some point that day yeah and I believe that Marina ticket was for I think it was 11 30ish
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uh that day and then we they're guessing that he was on the boat for about about
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90 minutes yeah the police checked the computers at the house as well now here is something interesting Scott said that
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he thought Lacey was doing some online shopping that morning the morning that she went missing and police check her
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computer and they are able to confirm that Lacey had in fact done some shopping uh that there was a purchase
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made on her computer and this would have been at like eight to eight thirty that
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morning yeah and police also were told by Scott that Lacey was watching Martha Stewart when he had left the house yeah
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and he actually knew some of these details as well about about what they were talking about during the show now
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Captain two things that I want to point out one with the police response they immediately went into action and
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you talked about hey they usually don't you know sit people down to a con you know a formal interview and videotape
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the interview but as you were about to say we both believed that they went into an immediate response because this is an
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eight-month pregnant woman um and that's likely what drove them to go into this so quickly now regarding
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their interview with Scott Peterson and recording this interview part of me has to wonder if you have her parents saying
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well he came back from golfing and noticed that his wife was not home and missing and he's telling police that he
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went out fishing well regardless of how that went down or how the parents came to believe that he
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was out golfing right immediately that's a huge red flag this guy may not have been where he claimed to have been even
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if it's that he told somebody else he went golfing [Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers mates cheers
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to you captain now here is where things could get a little tricky okay because apparently there was a robbery at one of
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the Peterson's neighbor's house now some of these reports say Christmas Eve but we have the police that would
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say the home across the street owned by Rudy and Suzanne Medina was robbed two days after Lacey disappeared
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there are several witnesses that would say the robbery happened and occurred on December 24th the day that Lacey went
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missing right now we also have a neighbor this is Diane Jackson who says she saw three suspicious looking men at
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the Medina's house police later arrested two men in connection to the robbery yeah some have suggested that the police
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should have treated the men as possible suspects and laces and Connor's disappearance
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we also have sightings of Lacey after Scott left the house at 9 30 a.m back to the guys that broke into the house once
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they kind of knew that they were had right like we're gonna get in trouble for breaking into this house
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they both stated we had nothing to do with the pregnant girl we had nothing to do with that right because they're
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seeing this on the news at this time and probably panicking even if it was in fact two days after one also could
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wonder why do we not know if it's the 24th 25th or 26th well the problem was that the people that lived in that house
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they left they went you know somewhere else for the holidays so they were gone for a few days so that's another reason
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why there's discrepancy there regarding the sightings of Lacey there were 11 witnesses that said that they saw Lacey
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on Christmas Eve morning some claiming to have seen her walking her dog now this is a bold statement and it doesn't
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actually seem so bold once you dive into it a bit because Captain 11 people coming forward saying we saw this woman
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who goes missing after her husband left the house for for the day and we saw her
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walking her dog that's 11 people right right I couldn't find 11 actual reports of
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people saying I saw Lacey Peterson walking her dock after 9 30. what reports I could find were things like
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this we have one report where a woman states that she saw a woman walking her dog who was involved in some kind of
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verbal altercation with some men this woman decides not to report this not to offer any help but later reports that
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it's Lacey Peterson walking her dog in actuality she reports having seen a woman walking her dog right we also have
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reports that state a Woman matching that description and a dog matching that description were seen by people later
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that day so we don't have anybody specifically that I could find now my caveat here is I did not find all 11
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reports but at no point did I find anybody stating naming her by name so I question a lot of these sightings and
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again we have discrepancy as to when a home was broken into uh what day that could have taken place there's a lot
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going on at the holidays there's a lot going on in this investigation there are people that are not spoken to
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immediately and sometimes we have a hard time getting things confused about dates and
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times well on top of that it's not like just walked the dog that day and that's the only days she's ever walked a dog
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she typically walked the dog every day so we also have police questioning Scott Peterson's Behavior things that he's
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doing things that he's not doing and why his face looks like a turtle I think we
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should talk about Scott's demeanor and the way that the police regard this is they State he looks extremely casual
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during the times we spoke with him during the questioning and what they mean by that is at no point is he fists
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to the table saying let's get back out there and look for my wife you know what are you doing to find my wife he's just
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sitting back very casually in his chair he's almost you know he's not even leaning forward to be aggressive towards
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the officers anyway he's if you watch the the videos he's very relaxed and he seems like he almost seems tired yeah I
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mean well he did have a long day but on top of that it's I think he's trying to be cooperative
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um but I don't know I mean I I guess you're supposed to be yelling and screaming at people to find your wife I
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don't know that you are I'm just kind of thinking how I think it would go down if I were in
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that situation and yeah but I think that's where we get in trouble with some of these stuff is we go oh what there's
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a difference between somebody acting odd and somebody not acting the way you would act
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yeah I mean I agree but I still found his I find him to be acting strangely one and and this is not just me stating
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this this is the police saying this as well we we didn't understand his behavior he was overly casual
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he also didn't offer up where or what the police should and how they should prioritize their investigation you know
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where where should we be looking for her Scott right uh is there anybody that we
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should be talking to does she have any you know he doesn't have any information to offer them now Scott does in his
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defense as you stated earlier he does agree to take a polygraph test apparently the way this goes down is
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this day he's going to take it the next day yeah but I think I don't know that that's at his request or at the police's
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request but but the end result is that he ends up calling them the next morning and says yeah I'm not coming in for that
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polygraph test right now and at this point he gets a lawyer yes and again I should be you know you you're doing a
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good job of uh presenting the other side or trying to understand the other side and I do want to be clear here because
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I've said plenty of times on this show that if I were in this situation I would not agree to polygraph you have nothing
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to gain in my opinion so I don't want it to sound like I'm faulting him you know
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where the police did very verbally and publicly State hey look this guy won't even take a polygraph test well I think
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it's a little that's their words yeah but I think I I think the difference is when you got
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an individual that's very calm answering your questions you think he's being truthful yeah you say hey do you mind
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taking a polygraph he says absolutely not the next day he says absolutely I'm not going to take one and
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change my mind I changed my mind and all by the way I'm gonna get a lawyer so that's I mean again and
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but some of his story just starts not lining up well I I think Captain what I see is a guy that
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uh he's a squirmer he in any kind of verbal situation well if he needs to he I think he thinks he can squirm his way
00:34:40
out of it yeah but squirm I don't know if squirm is the right way because because he you know he's so fat
00:34:49
Joe right lean back Lean Back Lean Back that that when people ask him questions he takes his
00:34:57
time you know what I mean and so by doing that he he can get out of the answer he can
00:35:05
he can just manipulate the the phrasing here and there does that make any sense um I I see both I see a guy that that
00:35:17
squirms his way out of answers and squirms his way into new answers no no as well as somebody that that's not
00:35:24
um no I get that part what I'm saying is he doesn't do it super quickly it's not
00:35:29
like he jumps on you know he's he tries to stay level the whole time I mean yes is he switching answers here
00:35:37
and there yes but he tries to stay level because he I think he thinks in his head
00:35:42
I'm smarter than these people I just stay cool and calm and I'll outsmart them I also think that he didn't think
00:35:50
he was going to have to answer so many questions or be under the microscope so right because he established a alibi
00:35:59
the other thing that I found to be a strange interaction was the police come back and yeah they looked at the home
00:36:06
and walked through the home and I the way that I think that that went down that it was a rather quick brief walk
00:36:12
around yeah he did show them the home and rooms of that home the night that she went missing or the you know the
00:36:19
Christmas Eve right um they come back and we need to do a detailed search we need to bring in
00:36:26
forensics we need to do everything we can and we really need to search this home top to bottom Scott Peterson right
00:36:33
and he says to him well you know I can't allow you to do that without my lawyer present or or without permission from my
00:36:42
attorney and well actually what they did is they got a a search warrant and then when they went to America they
00:36:51
set them up they set them up 100 and that's the thing they said yeah Scott we don't need your permission here's our
00:36:58
warrant we're going to be they just wanted to see his reaction right they wanted to see if they would agree to
00:37:03
search and he was pretty smug about saying you know probably not going to let you do that and they go well cool we
00:37:10
don't need your uh permission anyways because we got a search warranty piece of [ __ ] well let's talk about this
00:37:18
boat uh that Scott owned because I found this boat is a debate of great argument
00:37:23
did Scott buy this boat and try to keep it a secret from Lacey and her family that's one thought and then there are
00:37:31
others that say no he did not um so what we do know is this the boat was purchased with cash just a few weeks
00:37:39
before Lacey went missing so Scott paid 1400 for the boat the trailer and a bunch of pretty good grade fishing
00:37:47
equipment now the fishing equipment is interesting here because Scott actually looked at three boats he considered
00:37:54
purchasing one of these three boats right this boat from my understanding Captain
00:38:00
is the only one that included good fishing equipment or any fishing equipment at all and what what people
00:38:07
would say about that is that when given the option if you're buying a boat right
00:38:12
with the intention of using it for the sole purpose of dumping a body or getting rid of a body
00:38:19
you might want to get the a bigger boat than this small boat it might be easier to do that in the bigger boat but no he
00:38:27
chose the small boat with fishing equipment or you might want to to have purchased the cheaper boat the cheapest
00:38:34
boat that didn't include any fishing equipment because you're just using you're not going to use it for fishing
00:38:39
right but in the end he did buy the boat with the fishing equipment some people point out that that shows some intention
00:38:47
or what his intentions were for the use of that boat that proves nothing well of
00:38:52
course but we're we're here to debate it right no no I'm that's not a debate that
00:38:58
proves nothing he bought a boat with cash that's all it proves there were some things added on to that boat a
00:39:05
trailer you know some fishing lures that doesn't show his intent for the boat at all
00:39:14
the owner of the boat uh sold the boat to Scott he was the one that requested that Scott pay him cash for the boat now
00:39:22
the boat the uh I'm sorry the cash was deducted from a joint bank account which he shared with Lacey now there's also
00:39:31
stories that Lacey went to the warehouse where the boat was stored when the boat
00:39:36
was stored there yeah it was a few days before she went missing she had to use the restroom and I don't think these
00:39:43
warehouses had their own restrooms that's what I'm guessing because she had to have somebody that worked at the
00:39:51
warehouse take her to the restroom that's how they have a eyewitness that said hey
00:39:56
we saw Lacey here a few days before she went missing right so people then claim if that's true she
00:40:03
knew about the boat again she may not even even gone into that particular Warehouse into the the unit that the
00:40:11
boat was stored right and he might never opened up the garage door she might never have seen the boat so that is not
00:40:18
proof that she knew there was a boat Scott purchased a registered boat rather than one that was not registered people
00:40:27
would state that that might be evidence that he wasn't trying to keep this boat Secret
00:40:33
okay but nobody in the family knew about the boat right there's no person and and
00:40:39
again you can speculate that Lacey was at the warehouse so she knew about the boat or that he pulled money from their
00:40:45
joint account and she knew about the boat we have no proof there's no evidence that she knew of this boat
00:40:53
correct there's only Scott stating that she knew about the boat all right and again let's let's just get this on the
00:41:01
table throughout the rest of the show we're going to show the million lies that he has told so just because he says
00:41:07
anything I will not believe it so again there is zero proof that Lacey Peterson knew about this boat that he was storing
00:41:15
at his work facility and here's the other thing too there's a chance that Lacey I don't know their financial
00:41:25
situation but there's a chance that she may not notice fourteen hundred dollars missing from their joint account there's
00:41:31
also a chance that he pulled out the money and told her he had to use it for something else right this is a known
00:41:38
liar on top of that she is um substitute teacher they don't make that great of money I mean all teachers
00:41:47
period are underpaid shout out to all the teachers who are doing great work keep it up
00:41:53
the captain approves so if he's making more money than her and again he has to pull it out hey honey I needed
00:42:01
to use it for this or honey I need to use it for this I mean there is again there's zero proof
00:42:08
that she knew about this boat well in an obvious lie that he could tell her is he traveled for work
00:42:15
you know and there are expenses that come with that and he could say look I'm I haven't been reimbursed for these
00:42:20
expenses yet or I need to spend this money for work for this purpose and they are going to reimburse me soon right
00:42:28
again he's but he's a known liar who knows what lie he he told her else could have told her Scott would later
00:42:35
tell Lacey's mother that Lacey knew about the boat and the reason why she and he
00:42:42
kept the boat secret was because the boat was purchased for a gift for Lacey's father yeah and it's technically
00:42:50
her her stepfather right but her parents got split up so she was very young she was raised by this man yeah and so it
00:42:59
was going to be a gift again I think she could have told a friend or or or another family member about this this
00:43:10
present you'd think there would be should be so excited you know to keep a secret for a few weeks you know who
00:43:17
knows well that's that's interesting that you say that because regardless if it was a gift or not
00:43:23
this is not a boat that she that Lacey discussed with anybody with any of her friends with any of her family and
00:43:29
that's why I said people have to keep in their mind that there is zero evidence there's zero proof that she knew about
00:43:35
this boat I actually think that had she known about the boat uh depending on how often she was
00:43:42
hanging out with friends or family I think it would have came up and and what I mean by that is we have a guy that's
00:43:47
golfing a lot he also travels for work a lot and they have a baby on the way I I
00:43:55
would think whether it be husband or wife that the the person on the receiving end of that is going well he
00:44:02
golfs a lot he's away for work at times we've got a baby on the way and now he just bought a boat right right or or the
00:44:09
fact that your babies do you know in a month month and a half and and you're spending this extra money that we don't
00:44:17
need to spend on a boat okay yeah and her father her stepfather however you want to look
00:44:24
at it he already had a boat and this guy was an avid fisherman right he had a big
00:44:30
nice fishing boat he didn't have this little boat that Scott Peterson had purchased for fourteen hundred dollars
00:44:36
well again this is a [ __ ] story and this is why because if I you know bought uh a boat for my father let's say I
00:44:46
don't have that kind of cash but if I oh [ __ ] he doesn't deserve a boat but if I
00:44:52
had the cash right and I bought the boat I'm not testing out the boat I'm not oh well you know uh yeah I went
00:45:04
on my boat again you're telling a bunch of people you're telling law enforcement
00:45:08
you're telling all these people you went out on your boat but but then later you go well but it
00:45:15
it's not really my boat we bought it for Lacey's father okay give me a break it's one or the
00:45:21
other right it's either your boat or it's his boat and if it's his boat yeah but we're not going to take again though
00:45:26
that Christmas Eve that's that's kind of falling into the realm of what you would
00:45:31
do compared to what you think would be odd behavior and and as well as it's not you know what I finally proof that he
00:45:38
right but what I find odd behavior is calling it your boat than saying it was actually for somebody else okay that's
00:45:45
what I find to be odd behavior the FBI in the Modesto Police Department performed forensic searches of the
00:45:52
Peterson home the FBI also conducted mitochondrial DNA testing on a hair that was found in pliers on uh Peterson's
00:46:02
fishing boat that linked them to hairs recovered from Lacey's hairbrush right should we go into detail about that
00:46:09
because I don't think it's just that cut and dried is it because what we do know
00:46:15
about these hairs or this hair was they state that they belong some reports state that they belong to Lacey Peterson
00:46:24
right the truth of the matter is what they could prove was they didn't belong to Scott they're close enough is what
00:46:32
law enforcement said they the wording is they're consistent with hairs uh belonging to Lacy Peterson so they can't
00:46:40
rule her out but at the same token they probably could include a whole bunch of other people uh as not being able to
00:46:47
rule them out you're right and then the people on the other side will say hey this is uh the guy's wife he should have
00:46:56
hairs on him hairs of her uh on his shirt hairs of him or hairs of her in his car hairs of her on a boat which we
00:47:06
don't even know if she knew about or saw yes if you're married to somebody and you
00:47:12
spend a bunch of time with them you probably have some hairs of theirs on you right
00:47:17
that doesn't mean you're gonna find their hair in pliers so I I think this is a damning piece of
00:47:25
evidence but let's continue what the other thing that I thought was interesting that they found in his
00:47:30
Warehouse was the concrete there was a a wood area almost like a wood bench they found a homemade anchor that he
00:47:39
made for his boat and basically what you do is you take um concrete mix put it in a little tub
00:47:48
add the water stir that up and then you put either like a hook or you take a piece of like rebar and you bend that
00:47:56
and you put that into the concrete and then once it dries you pull it out of the tub right the interesting thing is
00:48:04
he did make one we have evidence that he made one we see one in his boat odd thing about that though is there's no
00:48:10
rope attached to it so I don't know if you know how anchors work but you can't just drop you know this
00:48:18
heavy piece of concrete if it's not tied to a rope so he had this anchor that there was no
00:48:24
rope with and they believed that he made more than one based off the extra residue and the extra
00:48:37
concrete is a powder that they think possibly he made four to five maybe more yeah it depends on who you talk to so
00:48:47
some would say he made one and others would say like you said as many as four or five we have proof he made one
00:48:56
for sure right of course but the where where the higher numbers come from is that on that
00:49:04
workbench there were Rings there were additional Rings uh where it looked like somebody had made four or five of these
00:49:11
and then a ring had dried like a residue ring had dried on this workbench indicating that he was drying as many as
00:49:19
four or five at one time right or after shortly after they had dried I've never made one of these molds in a in a bucket
00:49:27
or a pitcher or whatever they want to claim they were made in I've made concrete molds before but not a homemade
00:49:34
anchor okay can you pull you don't pull it out until it's dried though right yeah I mean you
00:49:40
could do it when it's like semi-dried I mean that's probably the best way because
00:49:46
sometimes you can use like let's say you're using like a old Tupperware or like a plastic bowl that like maybe
00:49:53
butter comes in then if it dries it doesn't matter you're just going to break that that bowl off but if you're
00:49:59
going to reuse that bowl you pull it you know pull it out a little earlier and then if you set it down somewhere to dry
00:50:05
it could very likely leave a ring where it was resting yeah okay so under that situation that's what they claim that
00:50:13
there was enough rings on this workbench to indicate that he had made four or five of these homemade anchors right and
00:50:22
I I think it's really important keep in your head that there is one of the anchors that he made and his boat that
00:50:30
is not attached to anything no rope I just think that's important piece of evidence right I I do too and I think
00:50:38
that's interesting that you point that out I was unaware that there was no rope connecting it to Something in the boat
00:50:45
or here's here's why it's important because if it's not tied and it's not being used as an anchor it's being used
00:50:53
as something else and that's all you need to know all right next next piece so we should
00:51:00
point out at this point that from the moment of Lacey's disappearance the Roka family Lacey's mother stepfather and
00:51:07
brother and half-sister repeatedly spoke to the media in a teary-eyed manner viewers have come to expect from loved
00:51:17
ones in crisis the family publicly supported her husband and defended his innocence The public's view of Scott
00:51:25
Peterson was a different story now on December 31st 2002 the town of Modesto held a public vigil for Lacey and Connor
00:51:36
Scott declined to speak at the vigil but he was in attendance and so were photographers who captured him in what
00:51:44
some would claim were two damning photos and one picture Scott bends down alongside his niece to set down a candle
00:51:53
a big smile comes across his face in a second picture he is standing with some people and laughing now this
00:52:00
Behavior at the vigil for his missing wife and unborn child uh were C received to be bad acts by this guy some explain
00:52:09
that Scott Peterson's demeanor was simply aloofness uh we do know as we pointed out everyone handles things
00:52:17
differently and there is no guidebook on how to behave when one's eight-month pregnant wife goes missing yeah the
00:52:26
difficult thing here though too is if you're at a event for hours and hours it's somebody that you you know somebody
00:52:34
that you care about are they going to come up maybe they say hey I'm sorry we're going to find her hug it out and
00:52:40
then they say something silly trying to make you laugh trying to make you smile so that is a possibility and you get one
00:52:47
or two pictures it's not like you got 5 000 pictures of this guy just you know making jokes all day right but quickly
00:52:54
there was media scrutiny there was Nancy Grace and the public did start to turn on Scott and this was thought
00:53:04
because he wasn't sad enough or he wasn't panicked enough and in the general public for the most
00:53:11
part they just didn't believe him well he's also not being out in front of the media
00:53:18
he's not doing interviews he's not doing the press conferences it's almost like he doesn't want to be seen and there's a
00:53:26
lot of other weird stuff I mean if if you ha if you haven't seen Gone Girl it's a great fictional story but if that
00:53:34
is not based off of this then I don't know what it's based off of I mean I think
00:53:40
I think she basically took that story and took the Scott Peterson Lacey Peterson story and ran with it they have
00:53:48
a search site set up one of the things that he was doing that I find particularly odd
00:53:56
is that they're putting up all these pictures of Lacey and anytime there's a picture put up of him and her he's taken
00:54:04
it down and when they'd catch him taking it down he'd go it's just too hard to look at this
00:54:11
you mean you mean that because he's not in front of the media that statement Gone Girl statement
00:54:19
well no the I think the whole story of Scott Peterson and lazy Peterson I think they I think uh Gillian Flynn I believe
00:54:29
Israel I think she took the whole idea of this story and turned it into a book I mean we have a but wasn't that a fake
00:54:38
disappearance it well spoiler alerts well I mean you're but you're claiming that you that
00:54:47
that one may have been taken from the other but they're different stories not not the first half of it
00:54:54
so I was just trying to get some clarification as to if you read the first half of the book it's pretty much
00:55:01
the Scott Peterson story right that's what I was asking you mean him not being forthcoming with the media him not
00:55:07
getting out in front of the media right right well yeah partly that I mean look I mean it's typically when there's
00:55:15
a missing wife it's the husband that's doing all the press conferences saying hey help me find my wife hmm I mean we
00:55:23
see that time and time again in this case he's not even there he's not even on stage like they're doing a press
00:55:29
conference and he's like no no I don't want to be on stage right any time that they for for the first week or so
00:55:36
they're only showing pictures of her because he's controlling them because he's not letting the media have pictures
00:55:42
of him and her together so again there's no rules on how you're supposed to enact how you're supposed to act but
00:55:52
I find that a little strange of course of course and later we would learn that Scott Peterson did something
00:56:00
else during Lacey and Connor's vigil as well uh he called his girlfriend uh and this is Amber Frye
00:56:08
or fry it's fry okay well let's go back though because the visual the vigil yeah
00:56:16
screw that word up every time is how many days afterwards well she was according to Scott she was alive and
00:56:27
well the morning of the 24th and the vigil was held on New Year's Eve on the 31st right now
00:56:35
I think this is something that people glaze over a lot two days after she goes missing Scott Peterson
00:56:44
he orders porn and I think the day after he orders porn he orders porn multiple times I don't
00:56:52
think he I don't think there's a record of him ever ordering porn before yeah I'm not certain how this works or
00:56:59
what he did exactly the way the the reports that I read was that he purchased two channels so I don't know
00:57:06
if that's just something you pay for on a monthly basis and it's there give me the Channel all the time yeah like eat
00:57:12
it 24 7. it doesn't it it's very clear to me Captain that this wasn't like he ordered a movie and then the movie is
00:57:19
starts and it finishes and then he's you know that's it and that's all because he
00:57:24
then later Weeks Later canceled these two channels right so this is that's like me getting the NFL Network at some
00:57:31
point you have to call back and cancel before it comes off your bill and off on your TV it wore himself out because he
00:57:37
wasn't going to the press conferences it wasn't out looking for his wife is wearing himself out playing a game of
00:57:44
yeah but that by that point too I think it was public knowledge that he had ordered those channels and he's like
00:57:51
well I should I probably yeah maybe I should get rid of these yeah because look your wife again there's no rules on
00:57:59
how things work but your wife your pregnant wife months away from having your first child
00:58:06
she goes missing and you decide it's time to pull the Pod well it's time to pull out
00:58:15
the old purple headed yogurt Slinger I mean come on man this is that that would be the furthest thing from your
00:58:24
mind back to the Gone Girl thing comparison both of them had a girlfriend well the thing too is and I know we keep
00:58:34
we need to quit harping on this because I know there is no set rule of how to behave and act in this difficult
00:58:42
situation however I think it's a fair statement for us to say we can as reasonable
00:58:49
adults sit back observe what's going on and make a personal judgment make a personal Judgment of yeah this seems a
00:59:00
little weird yeah and is it is it proof of anything no but I'm going to State this
00:59:11
is it proof of anything no but I still think that it goes in the category of evidence
00:59:18
well of course and and It ultimately will when it comes to trial but okay let's introduce Amber fry here she's a
00:59:25
massage therapist a single mom she was introduced to Scott by a friend this was in November of 2002. Yeah so basically
00:59:34
how this goes down is that Scott hits on the friend at a work conference and she
00:59:41
was in a relationship so she says sorry Scott no thanks but I have a friend you might like are
00:59:49
you sure it went down that way because here's the way I think it went down I think he's hitting on this woman that's
00:59:54
in a relationship and his way of extending the offer is by saying hey I know you know that I'm married but do
01:00:03
you have any friends that I could meet I think that's his his casual way of being
01:00:08
slick and Sly and offering himself up to that woman no he didn't tell her he was
01:00:13
married okay he didn't tell this woman that he was hitting on that he was married no
01:00:19
she didn't know no it was I'm trying to get with you and she's like yeah no I get that money but you I
01:00:28
have a friend I get that but I I right I think there's a chance she may have known no because why would you say hey
01:00:36
buddy of mine Amber fry you're a single mom working your butt off you know instead of going out and finding a a
01:00:45
nice single man here's this guy I know that's married right right and so the the way I heard
01:00:53
it was he was hitting on this girl she said hey no I'm not really interested you're not my type or whatever or she
01:00:58
was in a relationship but she said hey I have a friend you might like that that makes a lot of sense and I the reason I
01:01:06
got confused here Captain was I know that at some point Amber questions if Scott is in fact single he tells Amber
01:01:14
he's single she questions it she goes to somebody that knew the both of them I guess I just assumed it was her friend
01:01:22
right I don't think that it was because your logic makes 100 uh that's got to be
01:01:28
right and she goes to somebody that they both know and says hey I I have some suspicions here is Scott
01:01:36
Peterson single and this person says you're going to need to talk to Scott right right right and and I think the
01:01:45
thing though too is when they first started hanging out she asked him uh you know have you ever been married
01:01:54
he says no he then later tells her that he was married in early December of 2002 the
01:02:02
two are photographed together at a holiday party now according to Amber Scott told her he was not married uh and I
01:02:11
know we're kind of going through that now but his explanation was that he had been too busy with work for a wife
01:02:17
children or even a dog which is funny and and cruel on several levels because obviously Scott when saying this
01:02:27
has a wife has a child on the way and a dog which if I'm not wrong maybe I'm wrong on this but I believe the picture
01:02:36
that he's at this party with his mistress with his um girlfriend he takes a picture at a
01:02:45
Christmas party and that same night Lacey had a party that she attended alone okay so I mean like once that comes out
01:02:57
in the media he just even looks more like a dirt bag in uh December 30th this is after seeing newspaper articles
01:03:06
about Lacey Peterson's disappearance Amber fry called a tip line and told police she was dating Scott Peterson
01:03:15
and she immediately began working with the police to pull whatever useful information she could out of her
01:03:22
quote-unquote boyfriend and secretly recording their calls all in all she would ultimately record over 29 hours of phone
01:03:33
calls with Scott Peterson yeah one of the things that you hear and Diane Sawyer interview is he slips
01:03:42
of the tongue a couple times uh at the point of the interview his wife is not found dead yet she is
01:03:49
just missing and he says that Lacey was a kind person and then says is that's one of the slips the other slip is he
01:04:01
says um you know the fair is wrong was wrong that's how he corrects it and the reason
01:04:09
why I believe he said this is because even after she goes missing he's still making contact on a daily basis
01:04:15
sometimes two to three calls a day now to play Devil's Advocate a lot of people argue that well the cops wanted her to
01:04:25
try to get him to maybe confess or something so they kind of pushed the issue you know she is making calls to
01:04:33
him but the majority of the calls that are happening the communication he is the one making the contact
01:04:40
right right and actually regardless of who's calling who I mean the report I read said that there
01:04:48
were 241 calls in the course of 93 days I think yeah and one of the things that we
01:04:57
kind of skipped over because we're now you know at around the time a couple days after
01:05:04
uh Lacey is missing on December 9th is around the time that he actually comes clean with Amber and States hey
01:05:13
yeah I did lie to you about something I need to tell you about something well what is it well I was married
01:05:23
not married anymore implying that he's not married anymore but he was married and then she never really asked much
01:05:31
about it because he says that he lost his wife uh and then from December 9th to December 24th it's going to come out
01:05:42
that he lost his wife just before Christmas and this is going to be the first holiday that he spends
01:05:51
alone the first Christmas season without his wife and I wonder Captain if that was triggered by that conversation she
01:05:59
had with her friend hey I wonder if Scott is he telling the truth is he actually
01:06:04
married and that friend says hey you need to talk to Scott about that that triggers that conversation and here
01:06:10
again in my opinion I I see a guy kind of squirming his way out of it and saying well here's where the confusion
01:06:16
comes in I was married yeah and I was the you know we've been studying this case
01:06:22
all week and mainly because you know the last case the staircase the Michael Peterson case highly requested
01:06:33
by listeners Scott Peterson more so requested by listeners and we decided hey we'll be clever let's put them back
01:06:40
to back but never Watch The Simpsons right but this episode this last week I'm I
01:06:47
was watching football then it turns into the Simpsons I'm kind of cleaning up my
01:06:51
family room and then I'm watching The Simpsons and it's all about how Bart told a lie and Lisa comes in there and
01:06:58
says Bart it's not the first lie that gets you it's the lies that you have to tell
01:07:04
to cover up the first one and I just thought that's so fitting that we're covering the Scott Pearson
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case this week because it's the initial lie of saying I'm not married I don't have kids I don't have a
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dog turns into well now you think I'm married so now I have to cover that up I was married a lot of people will also
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state that these statements on December 9th from him saying hey my wife went missing
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you know before Christmas that this is actually evidence of premeditation yeah some kind
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of confession of future events that are going to take place the interesting thing to me though is it's it's December
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30th and Amber fry comes out she contacts police says hey I'm dating Scott Peterson and then it's the next
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day the next day where Scott Peterson tells Amber he's ringing in the new year in Paris with friends when he's actually
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at Lacey Peterson's vigil right so at that vigil we have the Press taken a couple pictures of him
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smiling and and saying oh well this is damning evidence again I don't think that's evidence of anything because he
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could have been somber the whole time what the damning piece of evidence is is you're at a visual for your
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pregnant wife missing and you call your girlfriend and tell her that you're at the Eiffel Tower
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celebrating with friends and oh man ringing in the new year I mean to me that's evidence well and we have to keep
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in mind too that Scott Peterson and Lacey's family neither of them know that the police are aware of Scott's Affair
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or that Amber was recording their phone calls which is another lie that he says in the uh Diane Sawyer interview he
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states that he told the police December 24th right away about the affair and that was a lie
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then in mid January 2003 police learned that the National Enquirer had its in its possession a photo of Amber and
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Scott and they intended to publish it right so let's just break this down real quick
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because one right when they hear that Scott Peterson has a girlfriend and this is coming from the guy that was like
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right away I thought something's fishy with Scott something's not checking out they go and start tapering tape
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recording his phone conversations through like a little device that they got at Radio Shack
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and I think it's working they're getting a lot of calls he's stating some weird stuff we're getting some information out
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of Scott maybe this is going to be the Smoking Gun that we need and then they get railed by the media to
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go oh well we now need to be in front of this so they actually decide to hold a press
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conference I believe well and you can hear on those tapes and I'm not going to have claimed to listen to All 29 hours
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of those tapes you can find a good amount of them online I've even read somewhere that you could find all of it
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um but one thing I did notice in some of those interactions between Amber and Scott you can hear she's questioning him
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of well so what happened where are they right you know and like you said this might have been their best
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opportunity to get a confession from Scott Peterson or the tips and clues that they needed to at least find them
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yeah and I think she also brings up the fact that that now to play Devil's Advocate they only hung
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out a handful of times but that doesn't make the fare less you know wrong but they they did only hang
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out a few times right um but they had a lot of phone calls a long calls sometimes an hour long
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sometimes longer than an hour and they actually discuss kids and Scott stated multiple times nah I
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just don't want kids yeah you have a kid and that's cool and she seems fine but I'm you know I wouldn't want to have any
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more on January 23rd this is when Lacey Peterson's family says Scott Peterson told authorities he had been involved
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with another woman and on January 24th amber revealed herself at a press conference and confessed that Scott
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Peterson had told her he was single Lacey's family turned on Scott and so too did the small army of volunteers who
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had been looking for Lacey well right and the he claims that he actually followed another missing mother with a
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child case and one of the things that he claims is he never he didn't want to bring this up
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because he stated that in this other case that once that they found out that the husband had an affair they stopped
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looking for the missing woman and then they just assumed that she was murdered and that
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will that's what Scott Peterson said he was afraid of is that once this came out
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in the media that this would um get people to stop searching for and he was right on some level because this
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about around this time the search teams and the the volunteer headquarters that they had put up kind of disbanded
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right well and a big part of that though too is those volunteers they're not interested
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in looking anymore they think they've we know who did this it's a matter of Peterson telling us what happened and
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where is Lacey where are they in late January 2003 Scott Peterson's Good Morning America interview with Diane
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Sawyer went so terribly bad that it calcified the public hatred against him I mean he's the most hated man in the
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world yeah yeah the very least America for one thing he lied to Sawyer when he said that he had told police about the
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affair as you've pointed out uh and stating that he did that the day Lacey went missing he had stated that uh his
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marriage was fine when obviously we now know that he's having an affair he tells
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Sawyer marriage was fine for him that Lacey knew about his affair with Amber and she was quote okay with it unquote a
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statement that just about threw Nancy Grace into a fit I want to point out something here
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that Nancy Grace is actually awesome to listen to when she's talking about Scott
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Peterson well no I want to point out some of his words and actions again that I find to be difficult to sit through
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and difficult to agree with let's think about this just for a second using his words as you stated we'll
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point out a million times that this guy's a liar we now know obviously that a lot of these statements are not true
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but let's say that we're in the let's say We're In the Heat of the Moment we're going to give him the benefit of
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the doubt and we're going to listen to his words and we're going to take that into account and come up with a
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conclusion okay his statement is that I told police about the affair immediately
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my wife knew about the affair and she was quote unquote okay with it he also tells Diane Sawyer that he was not in
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love with Amber Frye and that he Des had nothing to do with The Disappearance of
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his wife soon to be mother and was desperately looking for her if all of those things were true
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if all of those things were true why at any point didn't you say to Amber fry I cannot spend time with you I cannot talk
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to you on the phone or or at the very least say I can spend time with you and I can talk to you on the phone but by
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the way my wife is missing right she's missing well he does state that she's missing at some point once they once I
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mean at some point Amber does confront him and say hey I know you're lying no no I know that but what I'm talking
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about is on December 24th December 25th December 26th right 27th so on and so forth he had multiple days before she
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started working with the police right and he claims all of this stuff to be true factual in his opinion I told the
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police about the fair the affair my wife was fine with the affair I had nothing to do with The Disappearance of Lacey I
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did not love the woman I'm having an affair with but I loved my wife and I desperately want to find her if all
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those things were true any man any woman with their spouse missing would have said to the other individual before she
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had to find out by seeing his picture in a newspaper but what you're saying makes a ton of
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sense than the reason why is because it's going to be harder for you to come out and tell your wife hey I'm having an
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affair it's going to be hard for you to come out and tell the cops hey my wife's
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missing but [ __ ] by the way I'm a piece of [ __ ] dude and I'm having an affair
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right that's that's difficult well it's not that difficult it's telling the person that you had an affair with hey
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my wife's missing I told the cops about you and I I already told my wife about you
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so I think your point is very valid I think that's um that's something I haven't even thought of blowing my mind
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what people found most damning about the interview was Scott referred to his missing wife in the past tense saying
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