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[Music] when we left off yesterday Captain the police had just discovered what can only
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be referred to as a House of [ __ ] they found a bloody scene at the rental house
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where the Browns were staying and within a mile of the house in fact it's distanced at between a half and a 3/4 of
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a mile from the home in a wooded area they find a pile of bodies now from the get-go of course
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their main person of interest is going to be Adam Matos they know that he lived there at the home they also know that
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911 was called because there was some kind of Confrontation where his ex-girlfriend Megan says that he
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attacked her with a knife and threatened to kill her yeah put the knife against her throat and cut her hand this took
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place on the 28th about 6 days before their Grizzly Discovery but for all the detectives knew Matos might even be
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among that unidentified pile of bodies so another possible suspect here is Nicholas Leonard the other person
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involved in this love triangle that seems to be known to LA enforcement here's a little peel back the curtain
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moment here at the garage Megan apparently hadn't told her friends and family about Nick prior to the
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28th it seems like this was very much on the DL for her and that makes sense because Adam Matos is still living at
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her home and she knows that this is not going to be a permanent Arrangement so some sometimes you just try to keep the
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peace right but Nick is the opposite he had told his family all about Megan in fact saying that he was in love with her
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right Nick told his parents that he and Megan were keeping their romance quiet until Adam moved out of the house I
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think he even told his mom that she might be the one yes I believe so but Nick Leonard is discounted pretty
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quickly as a suspect in the murder of the family when the medical examiner finally identifies those found in that
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pile of decomposing bodies MH and Nick Leonard is identified as being one of the victims now we stated here that the
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detectives immediately when they found this I mean this is like the most horrific site these officers have seen
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in their entire career they State we didn't know what exactly we were looking at we knew it was a pile of bodies but
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we didn't know how many victims they were or who who they were so now we have the medical examiner who is able to
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start identifying the remains that were found but how many people were found it turns
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out that there were four decomposing bodies we already said that Nick Leonard was one of them but the other victims
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were Megan her father Greg and her mother Maggie Brown all identified by the medical
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examiner so I guess the one bright spot here in this very very darkest of moments is there's no Tristan there's no
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little boy found dead at the scene so there is some hope yeah some hope but also if you're law enforcement you have
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this kid which is autistic that is possibly with his father which is the number one suspect
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for a quadruple hom side so what kind of danger is he in yes you're spot on with that and that's
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going to be the major major concern here before we move on to that though Captain
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I do want to point out because the question becomes why would these detectives see and find this pile of
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bodies and not understand what it is that they're looking at or immediately know the in the victims the number of
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victims I think that we should point out here there's a couple of factors involved in this
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one it can be easily assumed that these victims have all been dead for some time
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for quite some time actually because it was the day after that police report was
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taken at the home on the 29th of August that neither Megan nor Maggie showed up for their 3 pm work shifts that day so
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it's easy to assume that whatever happened whatever transpired and went down it went down before 300 p.m. that
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following day it was 6 days between that 911 call and this grizzly Discovery and
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we don't know how long the remains were exposed to the elements but we're talking about Florida in August it's
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freaking hot it's going to speed a lot of things up and that's going to work against the forensic experts and the
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investigators when they find the scene and you are exactly right as soon as they determine Tristan is not amongst
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the victims here thank God we got to find this little boy he's four years old and very likely in the company of this
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very very dangerous man we have suspect number one underline and circle him at the top of our list suspect number one
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Adam Matos probably is in possession of this little four-year-old boy so they very smartly issue an amber alert to try
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to locate Tristan this is very smart for several reasons one top priority find the boy no
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doubt about that number two second priority if you can manage to do both get out of Matos and handcuffs and sit
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him down and ask him the tough questions well they find him pretty quickly because he's not the the smartest of
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guys no no he's not he might be at the top of the list for suspects not at the top of the list for Smart Guys yeah evil
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doesn't equal genius but he checks himself in with his son into a hotel not that far away so he manages to make it
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to Tampa Florida and they do check into to a hotel where he uses his own name he
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checks in under his own name so that makes it a little easier for him to be found and located well I think he said
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I'll take a a room for two they said what name he said uh douchebag and they said well we don't accept that name he
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goes okay well Adam matus it's the same it's like in Star Wars there there's there's several flaws in Star Wars but
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one that was always alarming to me shut your mouth was that Obi-Wan Kenobi when he goes into hiding what is the name
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that he uses the Alias that he uses while in hiding Ben Kenobi like I'm in hiding but I'll still use my my last
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name I thought he went by Obi to Kenobi right instead of the captain I'll go by the Capon yeah nobody will ever figure
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it out so Adam Matos checked into this Tampa Florida hotel under his own name authorities get a break there when they
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pick up the two Tristan he's four years old of course he's in a State of Shock like none of us could believe he's not
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talking to police Adam on the other hand does not appear to be in shock at all in
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fact he seems to be incredibly calm cool and collected well again we have a we have a kid that's autistic and so I
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don't know a lot about it but I did play in a band with um amazing guy amazing teacher he taught kids with autism and
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so he always kind of talked to me about the Spectrum and and how some are verbal
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and some are nonverbal so it's not as simple for the cops to to know they don't know his
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personality well before being able to talk to him but they clearly can see that this kid has some kind of trauma
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going on right I was going to throw that in there too unfortunately the icing on
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the cake here will be you when you find this boy you're very happy about that but you do not have a clear
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understanding as to what he may or may not have witnessed and the effects that may have had on him and as you said the
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the PTSD that could be involved with just what the potential of what this kid could have witnessed well and I
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experienced I just want to say this and maybe this goes without saying when you have teachers I love teachers but
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somebody like the guy I played with his name is Bobby he he he specialized in teaching kids with autism make sure you
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take the time out to let them know what they're doing is so special and changing
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the lives of so many people okay moving on with the story well Adam does not put
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up any type of fight when they go to arrest him and we mentioned that Adam Matos not the smartest guy not at the
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top of the list of Smart Guys but when they bring Adam in for questioning this is very smart the detectives they don't
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tell Adam that they found the bodies of Megan her parents and Nick Leonard right
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no instead detectives tell Adam that he's being arrested on domestic violence charges that stem from that first 911
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call from Megan so at the police station detectives tell Matos that uh hey you're
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here on these charges but your son is here too we need to release him to the custody of someone yeah who should that
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be yeah we got to take this kid somewhere how about we take him back to his mother Megan that would be the first
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option that makes the most sense right Adam uh do you know if it that's going to be possible if we could locate Megan
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and easily locate her and return Tristan to her while we sort out this deal of the domestic violence charge and his
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answer is I don't know I wouldn't know but like you you should know the detectives go okay well they're going to
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give him a pass on that they say well how about Megan's parents can he stay with them maybe again Adam says well you
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can check on that you can call and ask if they will keep him and he says hey our relationship my relationship with
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Megan is certainly troubled you can see this by this domestic assault charge mhm
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um so I don't know what the deal is with her but you can call her parents and ask
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detective says well when did you guys break up Adam says a week ago detective a week ago okay do you remember what
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that was about Adam mat says well it was just a bunch of drama a bunch of [ __ ]
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you know and he denies that he attacked Megan in that jealous r the on that morning when she called 911
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well let's face it I mean it they should be called relationships you know instead of
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relationships the detectives asked do you know if she's seeing anyone else Adam says I wouldn't know that but he
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does admit that they got into a loud argument didn't attack her but they got into a loud argument and this would have
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been after Megan arrived home that morning he says that her mother Maggie hears this argument tells me to
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leave and so I left it wasn't until he was locked up for this domestic violence charge that Adam he starts to learn that
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the detectives had fooled him and actually found the bodies of Megan her parents and Nick
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Leonard earlier right so in a newspaper interview Adam denies killing them and there's some footage that can be seen of
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this where the the officers and detectives are walking atam down a street or maybe an alley and they
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they're get they're trying to put him into a car they keep getting stopped by this
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horde of reporters right who want to ask Adam what's going on we got a quadruple
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homicide here you're in handcuffs did you kill those people he is so unbelievably calm yeah he does he's not
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not sweating he's not red-faced his answers are short and to the point he says of course I don't know a lot he
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even gives a little attitude too like well why did you take Tristan from from the house he's my son so at some point
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he's being interviewed by a newspaper Adam denies killing them and with detectives in the room he says oh
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they're dead they've been murdered you know who you might want to look at is the jealous ex-girlfriend friend of Nick
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Leonard's right we were talking about this earlier off the Record is how he how calm he is but how effortlessly he
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can just lie and it it's really hard normally you can kind of read somebody and go okay well that comment or that
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statement doesn't seem to add up and you can kind of tell by their body language
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but he's just so nonchalant I mean it's very very impressive on how he's very calm cold and just lying
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through his teeth he's got an answer for everything and when he can't provide one he simply
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says I don't know but he doesn't say I don't know in like a dumb way though no he it says it very matter of factly like
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I I don't know because I wouldn't know I've already explained to you that I wasn't there at that time or I you know
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I'd already been gone by that time so I don't know I would he even says sometimes I wouldn't know mhm the
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detectives now with this information with the exgirlfriend jealous ex-girlfriend information they very
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quickly figure out that she the ex-girlfriend has an airtight Alibi right but right but hold on it also
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helps that she's in witch Kansas like you start to make make sense of it that she wasn't in the area at the time but I
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was thinking about this when researching the case could you imagine being law enforcement and you you have the guy
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you're almost 100% sure that this dick face in front of you is the guy responsible for this
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horrible horrible murder mhm murderers and he is saying well I don't know this and I don't know that and he's
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cool and he's calm and he's Collective and then when you tell him one I think it's a big tell that he wasn't very
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emotional once you say hate your girlfriend the mother of your child and her whole family has been murdered that
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there's no emotion there but he's going hey who you should look into is her new boyfriend had a crazy ex and so you're
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probably thinking that again this is just another [ __ ] lie but when you look into her she stalked him and
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harassed multiple women that he was in contact with multiple women that he tried to date so there was some validity
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to that story or that idea but as law enforcement you're like we have to follow this
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lead but there's a part of you that's like your mind would have been blown if it wasn't Adam if it was this
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girl right and I think the situation here is like the the papers and the media really make a big deal of this
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like he dropped a bombshell on the detectives I don't think it was like that for the detectives at all I think
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the detectives were as you said had this guy dead to rights pretty much and thought you know what this is our guy
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100% but you know what we're going to do our due diligence we're going to cover all of our bases here if and when we
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take this guy to court this possibility this Theory will be presented by someone
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that defends we need to show this Theory does not track it doesn't track at all it didn't happen she has an airtight
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Alibi but again it's it's plausible because we know Nick Leonard was filing in the process of filing a formal
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complaint about harassment against this woman at the time of his murder the thing here though is you really got to
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get the traumatized autistic young four-year-old boy to talk was he a witness did he witness anything and if
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he did what was it and unfortunately what detectives will learn it takes some time to pry
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that door open slowly pry that door open but Tristan Just 4 years old witnessed a
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bloody massacre he witnessed his mother his grandparents being killed eventually
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he describes two investigators hearing The Gunshot that killed his mother he says that he heard
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his mother saying please don't Tristan tells them that he and this is he's kind of trying to reenact this in a way using
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a doll he wrapped it up in a little blanket and he starts pounding it saying mommy
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mommy and finally the poor kid points his finger at his own father saying Daddy killed
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Adam Matos he is going to lawyer up the state is building a case against him for
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a quadruple homicide and for this the State of Florida is going to seek the death penalty now Adam Matos will be
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tried for the four homicides in 2017 he does decide to take the stand and we have have some audio from The
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[Music] Trial hello hi please state your name Adam Matos let's cut right to the chase shall
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we Adam MOS on August 28th 2014 did Nicholas Leonard put his hands on your throat yes he did did he
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threaten your life with a gun yes he did did you get in a fight with him yes did
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you defend yourself yes I did did you kill him yes why he tried to kill me Adam MOS on August 28th 2014 did
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Gregory Brown threaten your life the rle did he pull the trigger yes did you get into a shootout with him yes I did
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did you defend yourself yes did you kill him yes I did why he tried to kill me at a Matos on August 28
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2014 was Megan brown with Nicholas Leonard when Nicholas Leonard had his hands on your throat yes she was was she
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with Gregory Brown when he threatened your life with his rifle yes she was was she with Gregory Brown when he
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tried to shoot you with his rifle yes did she say anything as he was pointing his rifle at you she said Dad
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shoot him him shoot him dead did you defend yourself against them yes did you kill her yes why I felt that she was
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going to kill me as well how about Margaret Brown did you believe that she was trying to kill you yes did you fear for
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your life though yes what were your feelings when you killed her I was lost I was hurt I was I was in shock I was
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out of my mind and I thought that everyone was out to kill me I felt like she was going to kill me as
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well did you kill her yes did you strike her with a hammer yes was she bleeding a
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lot yes what did you decide to do to her head uh there was a lot of blood and um
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to stop the blood from getting everywhere I put a trash bag over her head anything else um you put over uh and
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helping put in the trash bag overhead and keeping that blood contained I used tape to close the bag to prevent blood
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from getting leing out was this after you had gotten into the altercation with Nicholas Leonard
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upstairs yes it was was she dead or alive when you put the bag over her head she was dead
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well let's talk about the house at a 7719 hat Drive in Hudson Florida back in August of 2014
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okay how many bedrooms were being slept in three bedrooms and did the house face
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South yes now who slept in the master bedroom on the west side of the house Greg and
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Margaret Greg and Margaret Brown yes I'm going to refer to this room as Greg and
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Margaret's room okay okay who slept in the Southeast bed room on the east side of the house closest to
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the front door Megan and I I'm going to refer to this as Adam and Megan's room okay
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okay how close is this room Adam and Megan's room to the front door about a few feet just a few feet
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Yes who slept in a Northeast bedroom on the east side of the house farthest from
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the front door Tristan I'm going to call this Tristan's room okay yes tell us about the lock on Tristan's
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bedroom when you were there uh in August of 2014 before this incident um when we
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moved there there was just a simple door knob with a simple lock that you could lock from the
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inside if the lock had been changed uh after August 28th of 200 um 14 who would have died it would
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have to have been Nick or Megan now the two bedrooms on the east side of the house they were separated by
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bathroom correct yes this neighborhood this neighborhood at um 7719 hatus Drive are there woods
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around and close to that neighborhood yes do you ever hear gunshots yes how often often uh on a regular basis just
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during the day or day and night now Megan was Alison friends on the night of August 27th 2014 correct
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yes we're going to talk about that a little bit later but right now I want us to
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concentrate on August 28th 2014 okay approximately what time did Megan Brown get home on August 28th 2014
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around 5:30 a.m. and she been out all night long yes were you worried about her yes were you
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angry yes why I was angry about a phone conversation that I had with Nicholas Leonard he let me know that he was
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having aair with Megan and that she was a [ __ ] and that he didn't want want her anymore
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suain did you for apprach certainly um you said you'd talk to um Nicholas Leonard and he advised
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you uh what without getting into things like that he just let me know that he didn't
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want anything to do with her and he was done with her he didn't want to be a home recer that he was done with her now
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did he advise you that there was an incident that happened at the time he called you yes and did he seem still
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upset about that he seemed upset that there was an incident that occurred that night at the bar and did he um did he
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tell you that it just it had just occurred right when you call he called me as he was leaving the bar
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getting into a cat and tell us about what information he gave you here to St judge
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[Music] please it seemed like from after that day they wouldn't be together did you and Megan get into an
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argument um with she got home at 5:30 in the morning yes we did what was the argument about it was
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about the phone conversation that I had with Nicholas Leonard and tell us what happened when
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she came home I asked her if she if she was having an affair with Nicholas Leonard she told me that she
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wasn't and when I asked her about it she denied it and she said that Nicholas was stalking her and that
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he followed her to the bar without getting further into that conversation did she lead you to think
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that there was nothing between her and Nicholas lemon yes she said there was nothing going on between them did you
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believe her 100% I didn't know what to believe tell us what happened after that um I got
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upset uh pulled out a knife and I asked her you get the knife from uh from the kitchen I asked her what was the truth I
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just wanted to know the truth I didn't want to hurt her she tried to grab the knife out of my hand she cut herself on
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a finger and once I saw that she she had cut herself I Put The Knife Down on a dresser Tristan just woke up so I left
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the house and I took my bike and I went up the road Northeast did you pull the knife out to
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hurt her no why did you pull the knife out I just wanted the truth I was upset it was just stupid thing to
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do did you ever put the knife to a throat no at no time did you scratch or hurt her throat in any way no and you
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never put it up to her throat no you said that she grabbed the knife yes did did you expect her to do that no
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where did you go I went Northeast up the road behind um house that was empty and I just laid down and
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um just chain smoking just cooling off um were you riding a bicycle yes um why did you
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leave I just wanted to give her some space just get away from the house were you able to cool off yes did you
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see law enforcement arrive at the house I saw um law enforcement driving in that
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general direction towards the house did they leave I couldn't see from that angle what did you do I stood there most
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of the day just um sleeping um chain smoking now by the way let me go back just a
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little bit was Nicholas Leonard there when Megan got home in the morning no it was not was he there when you left the
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house no was he there when you guys were arguing no you decide to return to the house at
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7719 Hatter's Drive yes about what time was it between 6:00 and 7:00 p.m. still light outside
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yes why I wanted to get my things I didn't have anything on me so I just wanted to
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get my belongings I wanted to see if I could say goodbye to Tristan and possibly work things out with
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Megan what time did you go inside approximately little after 6 and what door did you use to go
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inside the the East entrance um that one that goes into the East Garage area or the stairwell yes it's
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the only door on the east side of the house right correct was the door open it was wide
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open yes I didn't ask you earlier but about how many dogs were in this house on Hatter Drive 20
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dogs describe them for me small dogs large dogs small to Tiny how often these dogs bark all the time
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how you describe their barking loud they were barky dogs did you hear them bark as you went
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upstairs yes I did where are the dogs kept in the house usually in the dining room
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area is that downstairs or upstairs that's upstairs okay how far from um yours in Megan's bedroom approximately
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about 10 ft now as you walked up those stairs did you have a gun in your hand no a knife no a bat no a hammer no what
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if anything did you have in your hands nothing at all tell us again what were you going to
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do inside the house I just wanted to get my things just um gather the stuff that
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I had when you had left did bring things with you uh no were you able to do that get your
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things no was the door to you in Megan's room was it closed yes did you open it yes did you step inside yes I did did
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you see Megan and Tristan yes as I entered the room they were just coming out did Nicholas letter come up to you
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yes where did he come from he came from the closet area were you able to see um where he was
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coming from as far as uh any length of time before he got to you no he just came out of
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nowhere did he reach uh I'm sorry did he grab you anywhere he grabbed me by the throat and did he reach for a gun he
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reached into his right pocket and he pulled out a gun and he pointed it at my chest did you grab his gun yes I grab
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hand I grabbed his hand and I pointed it towards the ground away from me so he would shoot me did he
00:38:59
seem like he was trying to raise the gun toward you yes did you struggle to stop him from
00:39:07
getting the gun pointed at you we didn't we struggled tell us what happened uh there was a lot of wrestling going on we
00:39:15
were going around the room um we ended up in the corner by the dresser and um I saw a knife on top of
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the dresser that I used to defend myself and I stabbed him in the arm a few times
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and he released his grip on my throat and um I dropped a knife and we continued to wrestle around
00:39:38
I was trying to get the gun out of his hands and um we wind up falling on the bed and now when you say bed um was
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there a actual bed frame or was it just a mattress it was just a mattress on the
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floor it was on the floor you said yes how many times did you stab them about three
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times and you said that you guys fell on the bed both of you yes let me go back real quick and ask
00:40:19
you about this knife did you leave this knife on the dresser no do you have hunting knives laying around around when
00:40:26
you have this four-year-old walking around no I do not are you the type of person to keep a knife on a dresser no
00:40:33
how about under a mattress no while you guys are struggling did Nicholas do anything to your face he
00:40:44
took the inside of my cheek and he started to rip the flesh from the inside out and he he told me I'm going to rip
00:40:51
your face off did Megan come back Megan and Greg stepped into the room yes and tell us what happened uh as you
00:41:05
guys were struggling on the bed and Megan and Greg come back Megan uh she screamed out uh dad
00:41:14
shoot him shoot him dad did he have anything in his hand I'm talking about Greg a rifle in his hand where was it
00:41:20
pointed at my chest did Nick uh do anything when he saw that rifle pointed at you he moved
00:41:28
out the way he was still pinning me down my legs um he just moved out of the way so
00:41:35
Greg could have a clear shot at my chest did you say anything to Greg I asked Greg I said please Greg
00:41:43
don't shoot me Greg don't do this Greg did Greg pull the trigger yes he did what happened it
00:41:55
misfired what was going on after the gun misfired he was trying to get it to work
00:42:02
again and he repeated the steps of trying to shoot me again tell me what was going on with Nick um while Greg is
00:42:11
messing with this gun is he getting stronger or weaker he seemed to be uh weakening was he bleeding a lot there
00:42:19
was a lot of blood he was bleeding a lot from his arm did Nick uh did Nick sorry did
00:42:30
Greg um ever shoot the gun again the second time yes he pulled the trigger again and what happened it was a misfire
00:42:38
again tell us what happens between you and Nick Leonard uh as Greg was uh continuing to
00:42:46
try to shoot the gun again um Nicholas loosened his grip on his gun and I was able to get it out of
00:42:56
his hands did uh you or him shoot the gun yes a shot went off towards the wall okay while you guys were struggling for
00:43:06
the gun yes and um you said it went toward the wall it went through the wall did it put a
00:43:16
bullet hole through the wall yes tell us did was there a second shot yes um as I as I grabbed the the gun I
00:43:27
shot it towards Nicholas was Nick still bleeding from the stab yes he was did you later find that
00:43:39
bullet um from shooting uh that gun the second time yes I did what did you do with it I
00:43:50
threw it in trash bag and was that the one that was found in the uh garage uh west garage no uh the one that I found
00:44:01
that um I thought that hit Nicholas lonard I found behind the bed okay and did that did you end up putting that in
00:44:09
the trash yes okay well you and Nick are struggling Greg shot the gun twice wasn't able to get it
00:44:21
to to kill you yes what happened with Greg and Megan they ran back to his uh bedroom the master bedroom did you know
00:44:30
what was in that master bedroom he had a bunch of weapons in his closet did you chase after him yes why I
00:44:39
felt that he was going to get another weapon try to kill me when you got to the master bedroom closet what was Greg
00:44:46
doing he was um attempting to load another weapon what did you do I shot him in his lower back as he was trying
00:44:54
to turn around with his weapon did he go down then or did he turn around no he had the weapon in his hand and I shot
00:45:00
him again did he go down then yes as you leave the master bedroom closet um tell us what happens next as I was
00:45:14
leaving the closet I could see someone in my peripheral and it was Megan and I thought she had something in her hand
00:45:21
and I just reacted and I shot her where was she at she was by the door around a corner and did she have something in her
00:45:31
hand yes what was it I later found it to be a cell phone how many times did you shoot her
00:45:40
one time and um was it around where that bead was in the uh master bedroom where
00:45:49
the uh Bullet Hole was in the corner of the wall what' you do then I lost the completely I just realized that I killed
00:45:58
the woman that I love the mother of my child and at that point I I realized that Tristan no longer had a mother he
00:46:07
no longer had grandfather and he no longer had me and at that point I felt like my life was
00:46:16
over were you angry at all yes I was very angry did you place that anger on any particular individual Nicholas Leonard
00:46:28
why I was upset that he brought a weapon into my home that he tried to kill me he
00:46:34
turned my family against me and tried to have them kill me as well what' you do I went back to my
00:46:44
bedroom and he was just lying on the bed and he was unconscious and I was just upset and I
00:46:52
was I was just just yelling out w why why why this had to happen I grabbed um a hammer that was on the floor and I
00:47:02
just kept hitting him until I couldn't anymore how many times do you remember hitting him with that hammer I can't
00:47:10
remember it was it was a lot of times was it always with the uh end of the hammer necessarily that you put the
00:47:22
nails in it may have slipped when I was hitting what' you do after this after that um I went and checked on
00:47:36
Tristan to make sure he was okay and he was and I told him to stay in his room there was a lot of blood on me from
00:47:45
the altercation that I had with Nicholas and um I washed it off and then I went to check up on
00:47:54
Tristan to make make sure that he was okay was he he was okay what' you tell him I told him everything's going to be
00:48:01
okay I I gave him a hug kissed him on the cheek how did you feel in general after having this entire incident felt
00:48:12
just lost my whole world was turned upside down and I was just I was out of my mind I was in
00:48:20
shock and I felt like a part of me died that day do you have any fear about the cops
00:48:28
shooting you yes I I was in fear that if the cops were to show up that they would
00:48:33
try to kill me as well how about Tristan I was I was I was scared that Tristan was endangered as well that he might be
00:48:41
In Harm's Way if the police were to show up what' you do with all of these guns um like letters gone I threw all the
00:48:51
weapons in the canal I didn't want any weapons in the house after that in incident I don't want it to be a threat
00:48:58
to anyone else or to me or to Tristan were you afraid that Tristan might see those bodies I was afraid that
00:49:06
he would be exposed to it so I I locked the doors to the bedrooms with the bodies were
00:49:14
um yours in Megan's room how'd you lock that door there's a latch on the door it's um it's a high latch so he wasn't
00:49:23
able to reach it and you latch it from the outside of the room and um the master bedroom the master bedroom uh the
00:49:32
the door knob to the room was missing so you couldn't just step into the room and
00:49:37
um you had to be a strong strong person to to turn it because it didn't have the
00:49:42
knob there it was just a piece of metal and I put a dog cage in front of the door to keep them from getting
00:49:54
in what did you and Tristan do um at that point um it it was very fuzzy my um memory of what what happened that day
00:50:08
later um I was just lost out of it and I was just chain smoking a lot what happens when Margaret comes
00:50:19
home from work I heard the dogs barking and um at that point I was I was still out of it
00:50:28
and I was in shock and I was scared that people might be coming to the house to kill
00:50:34
me and if you saw Margaret would you did you feel that she was in on it yes I felt that she would try to kill kill me
00:50:40
as well where was Tristan what was he doing he was in his room sleeping so what did you do I went down
00:50:48
to the garage with the hammer that I used on Nicholas and I killed Margaret and the
00:50:56
west garage hallway you ran down the stairs and met her down there yes I did how did you kill her I hit her over
00:51:09
the head a few [Music] times and that's the perfect spot to stop that clip they actually inter view
00:51:25
him on the stand for about an hour of course they have cross-examination the problem with his testimony is it doesn't
00:51:33
take any genius here to figure out that this guy is completely lying to everyone
00:51:38
he's trying to manipulate the story to save his own ass remember he's being charged with quadruple homicide he is
00:51:46
being threatened with the punishment of death by the state of Florida he is choosing his words very carefully and
00:51:53
his defense attorney is helping helping him to do so he's trying to paint a picture and put the victims themselves
00:52:00
in a bad light he says that it was Nick that called Megan a [ __ ] he says that it was Megan that tells him that Nick is
00:52:10
a stalker that these two are not involved in any kind of relationship these are their words these are them
00:52:16
telling me both that the other is a bad person and then I snuck into the house around 6:00
00:52:23
p.m. and I was attacked I went in there to get my belongings to possibly say goodbye to my son and try
00:52:30
to work things out with Megan and I was attacked I love that he chooses to use the words I was mad at Nick Leonard
00:52:40
because he came into my home it wasn't your home dude you were living there with the Browns the Browns were nice
00:52:48
enough to allow you to stay at their house it wasn't your home I was mad that he brought a firearm into my home and
00:52:58
put my family in danger this wasn't your family it was your son that was in the house Megan had moved on from you the
00:53:06
Browns weren't interested in you and other than helping you be the father be a good father to their grandson that's
00:53:14
the only interest they had in you it's not your family it's not your home and here's the good reason that I say that
00:53:22
we stop it at that point because what they end on is that we have Margaret who we've been calling Maggie her friends
00:53:28
and family call her Maggie Maggie comes home from work we already put this timeline together for you
00:53:34
11:25 p.m. his own testimony says he puts himself inside that home being attacked by Nick Leonard and then by
00:53:43
Greg Brown in the 6:00 hour this all goes down very quickly he murders Nick Leonard Then Greg Brown then Megan Brown
00:53:54
and he's so scared to death he's so scared and Afraid for his own life and personal safety that he just waits
00:54:01
around in the house for 5 hours and then kills Maggie when she comes home from work complete [ __ ] and this is what
00:54:11
these Psychopaths do what went down that night is he sat outside that home knowing that Maggie
00:54:19
would return to the house after 11 11 o'clock he lived there he knew their schedules she went to work at 3:00 p.m.
00:54:27
as usual got off at 11:00 p.m. as usual returned to the house he knew that that was his ticket to get inside that house
00:54:35
and do what he planned to do which was murder everyone in there with the exception of his son
00:54:42
Tristan he knew that Nick Leonard was inside that home the victim's vehicle was parked in
00:54:49
front of the house he attacks Maggie in the garage she cannot make it all the way into the
00:54:55
house he beats her to death ties her up puts a trash bag over her head and then his testimony oh I couldn't have broke
00:55:03
into the house I couldn't have been sneaking into the house there was 20 dogs in there that were Y yappers and
00:55:08
barkers there's no way that I could have snuck up on these individuals because of these dogs
00:55:15
[ __ ] he went into that room and very likely we have Nick Leonard and Megan who are asleep or getting ready to do so
00:55:25
he got the jump on Nick he hit him 21 times in the head with a hammer when Megan freaked out she sees
00:55:36
what's happening she fle to the room of her father trying to wake her father and
00:55:42
say he's in the house Greg grabs a gun he's trying to load the gun in his closet in his
00:55:50
bedroom he didn't walk into Megan's room no this animal this monster beat this man
00:55:58
to death Nick Leonard 21 times in the head takes his gun walks into the master bedroom and shows what kind of coward he
00:56:06
is he shoots the man in the back shoots him again and then Megan begs for her life
00:56:16
and he gets up and shoots her close at close range one shot it only took one shot right into the left eye
00:56:27
he killed four people and then what did this monster do he hung out at the house
00:56:33
for damn near a week ordering pizzas using Margaret's credit card to make purchases he tries to sell their
00:56:41
belongings on Craigslist he successfully sold several of the dogs yeah he sold dogs he sold Furniture then he goes to
00:56:49
the store and he buys a shovel tries to dig a a grave can't so he has to go well what's next put him
00:56:57
in the car move them dump them in the woods still living at the house he was still hanging out at the house when the
00:57:05
police came to make their welfare check that's why they found the open door he panics he fleases the area grabs the sun
00:57:15
oh my God the cops are at the front door this place is a bloody mess I couldn't even bother to clean it up I couldn't
00:57:22
successfully bury anybody MH runs out the back door leaves that door open he takes a canoe we
00:57:30
talked about those canals he went down one of the canals about about a mile or so calls a cab takes a cab to the bus
00:57:38
stop rides the bus stop the bus to the hotel in Tampa where they eventually pick him up now where this guy got lucky
00:57:47
where Adam Matos got lucky he's a complete psych psychopath complete psychopath I thought you were going to
00:57:53
call him a sack of [ __ ] complete sack of [ __ ] psychopath he gets lucky he got spared
00:58:01
the death penalty there was a juror it has to be unanimous in Florida 12 out of 12 12 out
00:58:07
of 12 11 out of 12 said yes kill this man one person was kind and compassionate enough to spare Adam mat's
00:58:20
life Adam Matos it will cost taxpayers in the state of FLA $94,000 to house him for the entirety of
00:58:32
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