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[Music] Indiana May 7th 1993 a woman notifies the Hamilton County Sheriff's Department
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that her husband is missing the normal conversation and questions followed first law enforcement reminds her that
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an adult may not necessarily be missing in the sense that they are allowed to be
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unaccounted for and just because he is not where he said he would be he may in fact be where he wants to be typically
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in this situation the person requesting to file the missing persons report will be asked to wait 48 or even 72 hours
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from the time the adult was last seen or heard from before filing the report then
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the woman said she has not seen her husband in quite some time when was the last time you saw your husband she is
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asked and her reply Thanksgiving 1992 almost six months ago on May 7th 1993 Paul Raymond Herod was
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reported missing to the Hamilton County Sheriff's Department and he has not been
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seen since now for good reason many are calling Paul the Invisible Man [Music] on this very day 26 years ago a man was
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reported missing that man is Paul Raymond Herod now we know very little about Paul but we do
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know he is reported missing by his wife according to Paul's wife Marla the two met while working together at an
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assisted living facility for children they met in 1990 they knew each other only for a short period of time before
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they started dating and eventually Marla decided to move in with Paul we unfortunately do not have an exact date
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for when they moved in together but going off of Marla's statements this would have been in either 1990 or 1991
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On June 6 1992 Paul and Marla got married at a very very small ceremony at Marla's grandmother's house the details
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about Paul's life are very difficult to present for one thing Paul didn't have any close friends or really any friends
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at all present at Paul and Marla's small wedding were only Marla's immediate family none of Paul's family if in fact
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he had any were in attendance Paul's best man was a man that Paul worked with a man that was asked by the
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pastor presiding over the ceremony to attend and stand-in as Paul's best man we should point out that Marla had a
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young son who lived with Marla and Paul at a rental house and we should also point out that Paul purchased a 1992
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white Geo Metro his personality well he's described as a man that's very difficult to get along with I know the
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type but a very hard-working man in fact he held three jobs during the time that
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Marla and Paul were together one at st. Vincent's Hospital as a janitor and at an assisted living facility and in
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delivering the newspapers for the Indianapolis Star it's my impression captain that Paul often
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worked multiple jobs all at one time yeah or he wanted you to think that he was working other jobs and was very busy
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all the time now this all seems pretty normal but here is where things get weird so Thanksgiving 1992 the same year
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that they got married Paul and Marla attend a Thanksgiving Day get-together at one of Marla's family members homes
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later that night Paul drove home by himself Marla has stated that that night Paul left their home and went to the
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nearest payphone and we don't know if he placed a call or if he was receiving a call but Marla says she has no idea who
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Paul was talking to the other details of that night are sketchy but Marla says the next day in her mailbox
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she found a $100 bill with a note the note was from Paul we don't know exactly what the note said but according to
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Marla in the note Paul simply stated that he quote needed to get away for a while on Friday November 27th 1992 Paul
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Raymond Herod left his home near Sheridan Indiana in his 1992 white Geo Metro two-door hatchback
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leaving no indication of where he was going or when he might return and he has not been seen or heard from since yeah
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what's that called a Dear John note right the tricky thing here with this story though captain is we only have
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Marla's words to go on we don't have anybody else to corroborate this information right because Marla does not
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bother to report Paul missing until May 7th 1993 so let's see how well I remember math that's like
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it's a hundred and sixty one days later mm-hmm that's a long time to wait to report somebody missing well that $100
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must have held her over for a long time well she says simply that she didn't report him missing for so long because
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at first she thought he would return right so she finally reports him missing this is because of the white 1992 Geo
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Metro hatchback yeah this vehicle plays a big role in this whole story because what happens is Paul took out a
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loan for that car well after he disappears no one is making the payments on that loan so the
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loan officer starts calling their house because they want to collect on the payments ray Marla is telling them it's
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Paul's car it's Paul's loan and he took off and he took the car with him so she doesn't want to pay for this car the
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bank says we don't care where Paul is or where the car is we want our money and you're his wife so if we can't get it
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from him we're going to get it from you yeah so that prompts her to file the missing-persons report
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reporting Paul and the vehicle as missing little suspicious rights it takes oh right
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and now she's off the hook for the loan or the loan payments I actually believed
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that it was at the suggestion of the loan officer who was calling to collect right that said look you need to make
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this official or we don't believe you we're gonna keep trying to get these payments plus one thing for a person to
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go missing but a car - did they find the car they did but it's gonna take some time so as soon as she files this report
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we have the Hamilton County Sheriff's Department they pick up this case yeah so this case it's it's looked at but it
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goes cold and fast the difficult thing about this case for investigators immediately is with Paul having no
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family that anyone knows of and no friends and his wife is out to lunch to put it politely the Sheriff's Department
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really are the only ones looking for him so they simply have no leads or nobody to gather information from but they also
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consider that they are fraught they were probably looking at two very simple scenarios right so one either Paul took
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off on his own and he's long gone this is if you believe Marla's statements right or to Marla knows more than she
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has reported and may even be responsible for Paul's disappearance dun-dun-dun there is very little if any
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movement on this case for quite a while until one day the case file is handed to
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Gregg Lockhart Gregg takes a look at this case the first thing he realizes this is only one of two outstanding
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missing-persons cases in his County so we have Paul Raymond Herod missing and the other case they have never found the
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person but they have someone in custody who is confessed to the murder of that person and even attempted to lead
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authorities to the body but the body has never been located so technically this is the only outstanding missing-persons
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case in Hamilton County but this may be one of the most complicated missing-persons cases because what the
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Hamilton County Sheriff's Department unravels is their missing man is not who he says he is the missing man is not
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Paul Raymond Herod see in this investigation the police really all what they had was a little bit of information
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to work from okay so they had this man's parents names and date of birth this is
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really all they have to work with this is information that the Paul Raymond Herod left on paperwork while he was you
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know known to be in existence let's say right okay so they discover that in fact
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a Paul Raymond Herod with the same parents names and date of birth was killed by a car in 1947 when he was five
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years old and the death occurred in Ohio not Indiana so then they learned Herod's
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social security number was not issued until 1987 and this was the social that our missing man was using okay just so
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this doesn't get confusing the real Paul Herod died as a result of a car accident
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at the young age of five this boys nickname was Skippy so we will call him Skippy not to confuse things
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so Skippy dies and then many years later someone gains access to Skippy's personal information and gets issued a
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social security number now detective Lockhart is very determined to solve this thing
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he recognized that this is a very unique case and decided to apply outside of the
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box investigative techniques yeah to maybe finally get some answers detective Lockhart took two web salutes
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providing information and requesting information he actually actively answers questions and looks for leads from the
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public using things like web Sluis to further help crowdsource this investigation he reached out to us a
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true-crime garage immediately I was fascinated by this case for one who really was this guy before he stole the
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identity of Skippy the real Paul Herod right and then where did he go after he disappeared what was he running from to
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change his identity and what caused him to continue to run after he got married to Marla all right so we have this
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missing man we're gonna call Paul right he marries this lady that he works with he works supposedly three jobs well we
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we do know that he did work those three jobs there there's paperwork that exists
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to this day mm-hmm to to suggest that he did in fact was employed and worked all
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these jobs at the same time this is how the Sheriff's Department came across his
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the you know supposed Paul Herod's parents names and date of birth that was really all they had to work with when
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they started their missing-persons investigation knowing the missing person's parents names and date of birth
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this leads them to discover that the identity was stolen the real Paul Herod nicknamed Skippy was killed in an
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accident in 1947 and then somebody this Invisible Man mm-hmm uses it gets the Social Security number
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issued to him in 1987 using Skippy's personal information right and he has little to no friends which would make
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sense because he's working all the time but he's also a grumpy sob right I had it but it's still so fishy that the last
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time you saw also was a major holiday yen Thanksgiving and he haven't seen him in
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a hundred and sixty some days and now you're calling because well you have to pay for this car mm-hmm I mean that is
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very fishy to me so let's go through this thing real quick before we get into some some information that was uncovered
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by Detective Lockhart so the general scenario is this this man whoever he is walks into town one day
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using the identity of a dead boy okay Paul Raymond Herod he falls in love with this woman this woman Marla was actually
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married at the time when the two met and she leaves her husband to go start a relationship with him with the grumpy
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guy yeah they get married I could you imagine what her husband was like well and then once he disappears here's the
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tricky thing in this whole whole story mm-hmm what is this guy running from to the point that he steals an identity
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starts a whole new life under this identity and then if we are to believe Marla's words one day he gets a phone
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call or makes a phone call and leaves he just up and leaves town so you have to wonder is this guy running for his life
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or is he running from the law or is he running from both well I mean he gets tipped off some information and he
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decides he's got a run again well it seems like all these jobs he has these three jobs are kind of entry-level jobs
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anyways but then it makes you wonder was he possibly a felon that couldn't get certain jobs that's why he stills the
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identity so there he therefore he can get jobs but then what's this call or we have a motive for the ex-husband
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going hey he stole my wife I'm gonna steal your life right right and that was the suspicion of the Sheriff's
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Department right away they're like okay Marla does not report him missing for 161 days mm-hm so either she knows more
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or could be involved maybe her ex-husband killed Paul because at some point Marla and her ex-husband
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they rekindled their relationship it's a it's a very strange situation but we do
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have some information that detective Lockhart uncovers so Lockhart found that someone using Paul Herod's name opened
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up a bank account in the very small town of joven South Dakota this so this account was opened after Paul went
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missing from Sheraton Indiana and late 1992 mmm so at the end of 1992 there was approximately 52 dollars in this account
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Lockhart found a year-end statement this is the kind of breadcrumb trail that he
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is determined to find so the good detective told us the name of the bank but I can't find it in my notes but this
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may be the only bank in Houma and South Dakota at the time because this is an extremely small town mm-hmm in 2010 the
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census says less than 500 people lived there in 2010 right there is evidence to suggest that there was no activity
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regarding this bank account the following year in 1993 so either that man who was going by the name of Paul
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did in fact set up that account or somebody set it up right to make it look like Paul was still around then
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detective Lockhart uncovered more he found some small trace of the Geo Metro so he found that it was sold in Denver
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Colorado in 1994 today the dealership has no record of where the car came from but they told Lockhart this this car
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would not have been imported from any other state meaning it was either sold or abandoned or seized somehow inside
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the state of Colorado and this dealership obtained this vehicle but it definitely came from Colorado and they
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say likely Denver the same city as the dealership but Colorado is pretty good distance from Indiana right so if you're
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following the paper trail here we have Paul Herot who leaves Sheraton Indiana and then it's about a 14 hour drive to
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that Hoeven South Dakota where the bank account is opened up remember he left the day after
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Thanksgiving and we believe that there's no activity on that bank account in 1993
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so very likely this Paul Herod sets up this bank account at the end of 92 using it maybe only for that the month of
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December or for a few days or weeks or whatever it's a little curious why somebody would even bother to open up
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the account and use it for such a short period of time mmm well I'm guessing that he has a check
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from a job that he hasn't cashed yet you can make a 14-hour trip in one day so you drive there you set up the account
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you stay a night or two because they tell you hey you got a deposit these checks and then they're gonna be made
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available in a couple days mm-hmm so then once they're made available then you take that money and you leave yeah
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so this is 14 hours away to that joven South Dakota that's interesting that you say that captain because that points out
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points towards evidence of another thing that phone call right so if Marlys statements about this phone call are
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true that either he made a phone call or received one that he was not intending to hear whatever he was told during the
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course of that phone call that maybe he was his intentions were not to leave that night and something he learned
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something during the course of that phone call that prompts him to leave and then as you said since nobody's looking
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for him because Marla the only person that knows that he's missing says that oh I thought he would come back because
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that's what his note said he then returns to collect on money that he needs to keep moving that's interesting
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well but also he doesn't drain the account so it's almost like wherever he was heading he thought well I'm gonna
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come back this way and maybe drain the account so it's almost evidence well it's only $52 yeah but I mean I don't
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know what activity was done on the account so I don't know how much he you know like I said he could have two
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or three checks that he'd deposited it and he waited for took the money but why not take all the money hmm well that's
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the interesting thing too is there do we have another scenario that happens in joven South Dakota where he decides he
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has to run again you know get some more information and has to up and leave again leaving the 52 dollars in the
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account I also think you have this scenario where he gets a phone call and there's something from his past that he
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has to take care of but that maybe he always planned on returning here's some money I'm gonna come back goes wherever
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does these bank transactions but he's still heading towards somewhere we obviously don't know where he's heading
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to and something happens maybe he had to take care of something bad and that didn't work out and he and he died
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somewhere somebody killed him and because you know it's the way the car dealership says is they didn't pay for
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the vehicle it wasn't a trade-in or it seems like well know what they say is they don't know how they acquired that's
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what I'm saying but they give some suggestions of it might have been abandoned it could have been repo'd or
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whatever right difficult situation there right so the only information we have from the dealership is what their
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opinions are their opinions are we've lost the records of how we obtained this car we know we have it we had the
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vehicle at one time because we sold it in 1994 so following the paper trail he leaves in 92 in Indiana then about 14
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hour drive later there's a bank account we again we should be clear we don't know what the activity is on that bank
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account the only paper trail that they're able to find is a year-end statement at the end of the year
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statement for 1992 that says there's an account with the name Paul Raymond Harrod and there's 52 dollars left in
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the account now 1993 comes and goes and there's no end of your statement from that bank regarding
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an account so we don't know exactly what happened there but the car is sold this
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is a nine hour drive from Hoeven South Dakota all the way to Denver Colorado and what they say here is look we we
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sold the vehicle in 1994 so we must have acquired it shortly before that it's believed that they acquired it at an
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auction and they sold it and in fact everybody that's owned the vehicle since then has spoke to Detective Lockhart but
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the thing is what what they told the detective is look this was not a highly desired car wasn't a very valuable car
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note for yourself they say my olace nobody would pay to import this vehicle from another state it would right it
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would just cut into you any chance you have of making any profit off of selling the vehicle so if we are to believe that
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is in fact Paul Raymond Herot our missing guy who is transporting this vehicle out to Colorado then we have to
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assume that after he left on Thanksgiving at some point he makes his way to South Dakota and then decides
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he's got to leave again and now he heads to Colorado the problem is we don't know
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more information [Music] all right we're back cheers mates Cheers so here's a big problem with this case
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and with this investigation you know we've covered plenty of missing-persons cases but so much time
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is spent looking at who the person was that went missing in their life and things going on in their life yeah the
00:31:30
problem here is we don't know who this guy really is we don't know who this person using Paul Raymond Herod's
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identity truly is the other thing is we don't know where he came from we don't know why he just pops up on the radar
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and steer steals this identity to begin with so that end is something it's a weird investigation because you're
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almost torn in two directions one where could he have gone - who was he before yeah who the heck is this
00:32:01
grumpy sob right and why was he running we were asked to cover this case so that
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we could get as many ears on it as possible which would turn into eyes viewing pictures of this Paul Raymond
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heron we need information where could he have been and where did he go and who was he yeah he could have had a
00:32:19
lot of family members that could see this and give us answers and detective Lockhart we were able to sit down with
00:32:26
him and he was going to fill us in on some of the possibilities of who Paul Raymond Herod actually was before he
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stole this identity so detective Lockhart you found paperwork that Paul Raymond Herod used to get jobs and on one of
00:32:43
these pieces of paper he says that he attended Roosevelt High School in Yonkers New York is that correct that's
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correct that being said that was Roosevelt Roosevelt High School in Yonkers New York recently I have learned that there
00:33:00
are at least five different Roosevelt high schools in that immediate vicinity the important thing here captain is that
00:33:08
we know that during the time that this person using the name Paul Raymond Herod that he was known to let's say exist
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he had to fill out paperwork for different things you know whether it be getting a job getting a marriage license
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the car loan what the detective is looking for is information on that remain you know any of that paperwork
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that remains available to this date right that could lead him to who this guy actually was when he was filling out
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paperwork did he slip up and actually put some truthful information about himself right or is it all [ __ ] is
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it all [ __ ] the problem here though is it's difficult to find these things so once you do find them oh here's a
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lead he may have attended Roosevelt High School in Yonkers New York that seems like a great lead crap there's five
00:34:03
schools there that are called Roosevelt School in the Yonkers area one and then two we have no idea what year this guy
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would have attended and what name he was using at the time right so a big problem
00:34:19
here too that we have to keep in mind is we don't know this individuals real age
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at the time that Paul Raymond hair had disappeared he was of the age of 51 had Paul you know had Skippy really lived
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that long of a life right so here's my thought captain I my first suspicion regarding this is
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however this guy got Skippy's information I think if he was looking to steal someone's identity and start up a
00:34:50
new life one thing you might want to try to do is find somebody that's roughly your same age you know maybe within four
00:34:57
or five years younger or four or five years older than you so you look the part yeah right guessing people would go
00:35:04
younger right but it's one thing to put a little [ __ ] on a job application but you're married to somebody he had to
00:35:12
sit there and have conversations with Marla you'd think at some point he would use actual truth because that would be
00:35:20
easier to remember right I and I agree with that and Marla was able to tell me a few things about him
00:35:27
and her her sister Kim was able to tell me one thing that was interesting so you're you're asking Marla to draw on
00:35:37
memories from you know 26 years ago at this point and some of them are are more clear than others but a few of the
00:35:45
things that she would she was able to tell me were that Paul spoke one time about working at harrods casino in Vegas
00:35:56
didn't did not give me a timeframe did not know that timeframe safe to say it's before 1991 Paul had also mentioned that
00:36:07
he was either in the Air Force or associated with the Air Force and that he was either stationed or flew over an
00:36:16
Air Force Base in Greenland which there is only one of she also told me that he has a large scar on the crown of his
00:36:26
head that goes toward the back straight over the top of his head and toward the back of his head and he would never give
00:36:33
her a reason or an explanation for why that scar is there he would always change the subject in a interesting note
00:36:41
you mentioned pillow talk Marla says one night they were laying in bed and they were having a conversation about nothing
00:36:50
in particular and Paul stopped and looked at her and said you know I can disappear anytime I
00:36:56
know how to do it and I believe that statement from Marla because when she told me this she became infuriated she
00:37:06
teared up and she became mad so it was a very real reaction for her it was almost
00:37:12
like she relived it because that's what happened well Paul's better at pillow talk than I am I mean the last thing I
00:37:18
brought up was did you know that Bundy would make his girlfriend play dead during sex Mike great ideas of pillow
00:37:27
talk well this sounds like a threat like something's going on in this conversation where he wants to kind of
00:37:34
threaten her that's what I believe I'm saying to the person that you're supposed to be in love with the purse
00:37:40
they maybe even be married at this point and he says you know I can disappear whenever I feel like it because I know
00:37:47
how to or possibly a Power Move in the relationship you know like well hey you know if just to let you know I could
00:37:56
disappear at any time so you better treat me right or something like that why does Marla take so long to report
00:38:03
Paul missing I described Marla as Marla is a good person let me start by saying that Marla tends to in my opinion bury
00:38:14
her head in the sand and wish things go away I don't I personally do not feel that she has ever dealt with him leaving
00:38:22
her I think it is still a very open wound on her body she she is a victim of him emotionally but she's had other
00:38:34
issues in her past as well that this was just another compounding issue but no she's never dealt with Paul leaving and
00:38:43
so in that way she still truly a victim I think that she still I would argue to say that if Paul came back around that
00:38:49
she'd probably take him back yeah that's not healthy I mean going back to an ex is like taking a shower and puttin on
00:38:56
your old dirty underwear this doesn't make sense was there anything else that you found
00:39:01
out through some paperwork that Paul filled out that might lead us to figure out who in fact he was before so there's
00:39:08
there's only one thing that I have found that I like to describe as either a a bread crumb or a major mistake on puls
00:39:18
part On June 5th 1992 he and Marla went to do their paperwork to get married so a marriage application and on his side
00:39:32
of that paperwork he gives his mother's name as Margaret Coletti Co l ET TI and he gives his father's name as Paul L
00:39:45
Harrod Skippy's real mother's name was Mary Condon herod and his father's name was Paul Munro
00:39:57
Herod now the reason I think it's either a a bread crumb or be a major mistake is
00:40:04
Paul had been Paul Raymond Herod for five years at that point and he had he had completed many of forms and
00:40:13
completed them correctly with the correct parents names that's why I believe it's one of those two things
00:40:20
with the mother's name in particular the only other thing that we have found was
00:40:29
that his car appears in Englewood Colorado at an auto auction in January I believe January 24th or 27th of 1994 now
00:40:42
it's at an auction being sold I do not know how it got to the auction I don't know where the vehicle was recovered
00:40:48
from but I have spoken to several of those auto auction dealers but of course 26 years later we did not have records
00:40:58
he goes missing around Thanksgiving 1992 is there anything that could have happened that day or in that moment that
00:41:05
spooked him that caused him to leave that Marla remembers any kind of interaction with her family or anything
00:41:12
somebody may have witnessed that so that's kind of where some different theories come into play one of my
00:41:20
theories is that the person we love to call Paul was running from the police or better yet for his life whatever his
00:41:29
problem was he wasn't going to the police so we can only assume that he has troubles with the law but he's also
00:41:39
seems to be moving enough that his life is it is at stake for something we don't
00:41:47
know whether the scar comes into play with that on this head there's so much that we just don't know about Paul or or
00:41:54
who he was before I would like to think that if he did in fact on Thanksgiving Day go and use the phone he probably
00:42:03
received some information to push him to go I obviously don't know that but that's that's one of my thought
00:42:12
processes on this one is so frustrating just take Marla for example 161 days to report your husband missing that's it's
00:42:22
frustrating well I also think that the most frustrating portion of this case in the story and the investigation
00:42:29
is Marla herself because she seems to put very little to no effort at all to one try to figure out who this guy
00:42:38
actually was where he went or provide law enforcement with any information to help them in their search and I get the
00:42:48
personality that you've described but it just seems a little like convenient on her and that she's not offering up
00:42:55
anything no I'm right there with you and I've been asked that by many of people you know why didn't she report it for
00:43:02
five or six months you have to you have to meet her to understand that going into this case my initial assumption was
00:43:13
one of two things she or someone close to her like her ex-husband had murdered Paul or B he had actually run away after
00:43:22
initially speaking to her you would expect to see something in her body language especially the way that we
00:43:29
approached her about it while she was at work and just out of the blue 20 years later
00:43:34
asking her questions and she speaks to me now the way that she did then there is no difference she has she has the I
00:43:42
don't care attitude of he left me so I think part of the bigger problem with Marla is that she left her husband for
00:43:51
Paul for what she perceived to be a better life and five or six months later he leaves her so you know again
00:44:00
initially I had looked at that and I'm not saying it's not possible she would have to probably be a pretty damn good
00:44:07
liar in a little bit of a sociopath in order to to not show any emotion even twenty years later so I I've kind of put
00:44:17
that thought process out of the equation for it especially once I learned that Paul had
00:44:25
stolen Skippy's identification or ID and then the car is found in Colorado Mustang it's not possible that the car
00:44:35
couldn't get out there somehow but it seems like a little bit more of a stretch for me at this point to think
00:44:44
that Marlowe was a culpable in anything that for Paul's disappearance yeah I would agree with that there's there's
00:44:52
one thing that we didn't discuss earlier and that was when I brought up the name
00:44:56
on the marriage application of Margaret Coletti on that same application Paul did put that he was married in divorce
00:45:07
that he was at least divorced in 1985 oh wow so the thing with that is that Marla
00:45:14
said she identified the ex-wife as being Diane or Diana ray RA II and she remembered the middle name because of
00:45:24
the spelling Marla believed that they were married in either Wichita Kansas or at least live together in Wichita Kansas
00:45:33
or Kansas City Missouri trying to find any type of those records for me not living in the States a little
00:45:40
challenging so that's another lead that I'm trying to actively pursue to me that
00:45:45
sounds like the biggest breadcrumb right like he again if you're telling people stories it's hard to remember lie after
00:45:54
lie and if he's talking about his ex a lot or or maybe he's not but if he brought her up more than a couple times
00:46:02
at some point you have to give her a name and so is that information complete horseshit or is he actually telling the
00:46:10
truth and if he is then we at least have a name and we have a location that we could start tracking back to and that's
00:46:19
the thing that I think is so interesting and that's why I also think it's so frustrating that Marla doesn't seem to
00:46:24
be super involved in this investigation nor care to be well yeah but a part of you has to go this ass
00:46:32
left her here's a hundred bucks and I'm leaving no answer I mean this is like now people you know go on a couple dates
00:46:40
and they just never return your texts or never return your call it's called ghosting this guy was the ultimate
00:46:45
ghoster but I believe that when you're with somebody or that you you're in communication with somebody for this
00:46:53
length of time between him and his wife that there's going to have to be some truth that is in that information in
00:47:00
those conversations along the way I agree they all can't be lies and that's where I get frustrated where we're not
00:47:07
we're not able to get enough information from Marla and now we have a situation where it's 26 years later and she very
00:47:14
likely can't remember any of that stuff but the key thing here that's very interesting as she remembers this
00:47:21
spelling of the middle name of who she was told is his ex-wife ray or a II and so that I think is one of those little
00:47:32
tidbits that you're like this could be some truth there could be some truth to this one statement here that's very
00:47:40
detailed it's very detailed that she even remembers the spelling but also why pick Skippy right again I think that
00:47:47
goes back to you have to find somebody that's roughly your same age or an age that you look like so that you look the
00:47:55
part the thing that jumps off the page here too is that we have two jobs we're talking about a man that when you are
00:48:03
able to trace his work history as Paul Raymond haired they're able to trace like six or seven jobs that this guy had
00:48:11
but at the time that Marla knew him he had three jobs and two of them are at assisted living facilities now we do
00:48:20
know that at some point Skippy when his father becomes elderly later in life he is living at an assisted living facility
00:48:28
which would roll into my other theory that that I believe that there's a possibility that Paul actually had met
00:48:37
Skippy's dad at an old folks home or a retirement home near the Cleveland area Skippy's dad died
00:48:46
east of Cleveland in a retirement home in 1988 so if if Paul had met Skippy's debt that's how he could have obtained
00:48:57
Skippy's information to use it in 1987 prior to Skippy's father died which is a little bit of a leap because we don't
00:49:05
have any evidence of Paul being in Ohio yes it is a leap it's it's it's difficult though because if he were at
00:49:14
some point in Ohio it's very likely he was not using any of Paul's information at that time that's just a theory of
00:49:23
mine at this point I woke up a several weeks ago out of a dead sleep and said oh my goodness this is this is my
00:49:30
connection it was just my whether it's a you know divine intervention or whatever
00:49:36
I don't know what it is it was just a thought that woke me from my sleep because of the information that I knew
00:49:42
Paul worked at a retirement home in Indianapolis and what a perfect way to get information to create a new name
00:49:52
what else can you tell us about items that you have found in the course of your investigation what was this man up
00:50:00
to during the time that we know that the Invisible Man was Paul Raymond haired right the only thing we know is that he
00:50:09
lived in a trailer court for a little bit in Westfield Indiana which is just south of Sheridan he worked at a they
00:50:18
believe it was called chesty potato chips where he was a potato chip delivery guy for like snack machines
00:50:26
that company went defunct years ago we know that he worked at a liquor store in Westfield Indiana which is long ago you
00:50:36
know went defunct and the owners dead but this would have been under Paul Raymond Herod right so
00:50:43
nothing there's nothing before you know 1987 paperwork wise that we can find the
00:50:50
other issue is that this is 26 years later and even when I started this case in you know six years ago
00:50:59
this is almost every business after ten years gets rid of their records so the records that I have found I've been
00:51:08
extremely lucky to find but there's probably still more stuff out there it's just a matter of getting citizens
00:51:18
involved which you know there are people looking into it on on the citizen side and time and ability a lot to unpack
00:51:34
here on this episode of The Invisible Man so I want to point out here a couple things captain that I think are
00:51:42
extremely important one if if we are to believe that this individual that the Invisible Man was roughly the age of
00:51:52
Paul Raymond Herod of what he would have been mmm-hmm so he would have been 51 at
00:51:58
the time that he went missing we're talking this case 26 years after this guy goes missing mm-hmm so he would be
00:52:06
in his seventies or roughly there thereof right in his 70s law enforcement have no indication nothing that would
00:52:14
indicate to believe that this individual is in fact dead at this time so the troubling thing here is who is this guy
00:52:23
what the hell was he running from we could be talking about an extremely an extremely dangerous individual we've had
00:52:32
instances throughout the course of history where we have people that come forward and in point law-enforcement to
00:52:40
an individual and it's somebody that murdered their entire family right somebody that has killed several people
00:52:47
and they're located 10 15 20 years after the fact because of things like crowdsourcing that they get people
00:52:56
involved to get the public involved they put the pictures out there and they say
00:52:59
do you know anything about this man you know just watching that Bundy movie on Netflix this weekend makes you think he
00:53:07
escaped twice and and what if he was able to get a false identity and live for years as somebody else mm-hmm
00:53:17
what kind of damage Bundy could have done and this could be somebody that you you may have lived in the same
00:53:23
neighborhood with yeah at one point you could have worked we do know that this individual seemed to work a lot you
00:53:30
could have worked with him at some point he could be living down the street from
00:53:34
you today even though we believe that he would be in his 70s we could still be talking about a very dangerous
00:53:41
individual what we do know about this individual the very simple things in facts that we can gain from all of this
00:53:49
information is that he was running from something that he could not get law enforcement involved in mm-hmm he
00:53:56
couldn't go to law enforcement and say hey I'm running because of this so that makes me wonder is he in fact dangerous
00:54:03
on the flip side of that if there is some connection to a guy that lives in Youngstown if there's any weird
00:54:10
connection to like the mob it would make sense that you'd go somewhere lay low and work a ton of jobs
00:54:17
to save up money to pay somebody back so there's there's just so many possibilities with this case right right
00:54:26
so what we're asking everybody to do is this is a little recommended viewing if you will right so everybody please go to
00:54:34
true crime garage comm and look at the pictures of the Invisible Man because maybe you know something you can see
00:54:41
them and if you have any information you can submit that information to Detective
00:54:46
Lockhart at three one seven seven seven six nine eight eight seven or through the Hamilton County public safety
00:54:55
communications at three one seven seven seven three one two eight two also don't
00:55:02
forget to submit your theories and questions to our blog at true crime garage com1 it's interesting to see a
00:55:09
detective like Greg be so active on a case that people haven't been active on and also look for alternative sources to
00:55:17
create leads mm-hmm so it was honor to talk to him that's right thank you to Detective Lockhart thank you to
00:55:24
everybody out there listening thank you to you cab then everybody we will be back here
00:55:29
tomorrow until then be good be kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause] [Music]