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[Music] this is true crime garage and this is the case of a dark past [Music] what if you thought you knew someone's
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secrets what if you had learned about someone's past a very dark past [Music] and you suspected that person of murder
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multiple murders [Music] but this person this evil dangerous person is not in prison
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he is not tucked away Behind Bars Society is not safe from this killer and you and I are not safe because this
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monster is still walking the streets maybe he's living in your neighborhood where you work where your kids go to
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school you know his secrets what would you do would you act on what you know what if you could not just turn him in
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what if the police knew what you knew but they had no proof would you confront the man
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would you confront a killer how close would you get [Music] we're talking with Gina frenzel a
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licensed private investigator in the state of Texas Gina can you take us through your typical work week oh
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oh betting everything that we have to do the most common cases that that we work
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are what we call domestic cases you know cheating spouses child custody those types of things
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that's kind of our cash flow to keep the the business going and then I am one of the few that Branch out and
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try to volunteer for missing persons families that can't afford cases uh to be you know to hire a pi to work
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on cases especially missing persons I like the cold cases the best I like the historical aspect of
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it but commonly I mean those are few and far between if if families have the money they'll come to us you know ask
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for the services but most families don't have a lot of money and that's part of the reason unfortunately why they end up
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being cold cases so I try to choose a case or two during the year to work on and reach out to a family usually it's a
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Texas case because I can get a lot of the work done you know locally but sometimes like
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right now I'm working on a missing person case out of Washington state for a family the case that we're going to be
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talking about it goes back a ways I believe it starts in 1962. how did you get involved in this this is
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and I was traveling with a colleague of mine and I decided to download some stuff on my Kindle to read
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you know because you have down time and and during during the conference there's
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down time and also and I'm a big reader so I'm looking I kind of blame the whole
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thing on Amazon I'll be honest with you because I'm looking at my suggested reading list now
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God forbid somebody uh you know pick up my Kindle and look at my reading list they would probably need therapy when
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they're done I read all true crime stories the only uh fictional author that I read is John Grisham the rest of
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them are all true crime and and there's no filter on anything I'm pretty uh morbid when it comes to my reading list
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so Amazon of course clues in on that and at the very bottom there was this 99 cent book
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and it was called gone and I was like oh 99 Cents I'm cheap too so yeah I'll take
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the 99 cent book you know and it's a short read I think it's like 30 pages or something this is the book Gone by Jerry
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Mitchell and it's about Felix Vail who is a suspected serial killer so on and it was just fascinating and I'm one
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of these people that something is really interesting to me I don't just read the book and be like oh
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that was cool and lay the book down I get online and I start researching and I want to know the ups and downs and lefts
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and rights of every little detail about it you know and this guy I don't know what it was there was
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something with Annette and and which was one of the missing women that really just connected with me and so I just
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started researching it well I I'm still in Dallas and I Google his name and it pops up that he is
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living in Canyon Lake well that's like an hour and a half from where I live so on my way home I just kind of cruised
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through the area and saw you know being a private investigator you get the privilege of
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you know databases proprietary databases and so I just ran his name through there
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and figured out where he lived and drove by and and of course he was outside at the time it was kind of funny
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he yelled at me for driving by that was an interesting little interaction and then I get home and about a week
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later I thought man this is this guy is still out there obviously there's a question of his guilt or
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innocence I wonder if Jerry Mitchell would need any help because Jerry's in Mississippi
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so I just sent him an email and I offered my services I just said hey this is me this is what I do
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I'm literally in the guy's backyard um if you need any you know research work done or anything like that I'd be
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happy to help because I do want to help the families get closure and there was a fire on the property
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that he was living on it had nothing to do with Felix at all okay so on the property where Felix veiled the
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suspected serial killer lives there had been a fire previously that had caused some damage and
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in Fire and that's how I got involved and then I had zero intention of talking to Felix at all you know I treated that
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just like I would any other case and your your suspect or your prime target you usually either never talk to them or
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they're the very last person in the chain of investigation that you talk to um like at the very end of your
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investigation that's when you you know kind of blow your wads so to speak and you because once you talk to them it's
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over everybody knows that you're talking to everybody else and you know the whole
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thing and and if you talk to that person sometimes it Spooks them and they take off so you're in the neighborhood you're
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talking with fire investigators you're almost pretending to be investigating this fire but you have no intention of
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speaking with the owner of the property Felix Vail I had zero intention of talking to Felix
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but being the smart ass that I am I was talking to Jerry on the phone and I said
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well I'm just coming up you know empty I'm not really getting anywhere with this fire thing and I said I'm just down
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the road from where Felix lives I'm just gonna go knock on his door and I laughed
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I literally laughed and Jerry comes back and said oh don't worry about that he won't he won't talk to you he doesn't
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talk to anybody he doesn't even open the gate he wouldn't even talk to law enforcement I tried nobody he will not
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talk to anybody of course because he's hiding from a murder investigation in my mind I'm like oh really you want to bet
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so I took it as a personal challenge and just drove over there and his gate was open I
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think if his gate wasn't open I probably would have never got never got with him you know as far as
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visiting or anything like that but his gate happened to me unlocked he probably regrets that but I just walked in and
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knocked on his door and then it went on from there you read a story telling you that this guy is probably a multiple
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murder you suspect him of killing at least three people now you decide to go to his property you're on the property
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inside the gate and you're just gonna knock on the door what is the interaction like with
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with the serial killer with with the suspected serial killer oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] it's the prime target you know
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it's the suspect in the case and anybody no matter how long you've been investigating or if you've never
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been in that situation before you're going to be nervous and it's it's a good thing because it keeps you alert driving
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over there I'm thinking to myself what am I going to say to this guy to get him to talk to me I mean
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obviously if I just walk up and say hey I read a book and read that you killed three women possibly and obviously he's
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not going to talk to me so I needed a story I needed a cover story so I used the fire on the property and said that I
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was investigating the fire and technically it wasn't a total lie but you know it it morphed from there and I
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had my camera with me because I was using it for another case that I was working so I just got out with my camera
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bag and told them I said hey the insurance company is investigating this buyer even though it happened a few
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years ago they've reopened the investigation they want me to come out and take pictures because there's this
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big concrete slab where this house burned down and there's still Scorch marks on the slab so
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and then a burnt tree you know and just kind of weird stuff so I said they wanted me to just kind of photograph
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everything so it was about a 20 minute interaction and it was rainy and cold and and
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he was kind of put off in the beginning you know he didn't want to mess with it and rightfully so I mean if somebody
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came to my house I would probably wouldn't want to mess with it either you know but he eventually about five or ten
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minutes into the conversation kind of let down his guard a little bit and we were walking around and I'm snapping all
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these random useless photos he said something during that first 20 minutes that he he spoke about a girlfriend not one
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of the three women but a girlfriend that actually I met later on that was I guess they had a falling out obviously
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and and he had said something along the lines of personal response nothing significant but when I left there I
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thought to myself that he he let down his guard enough to allow me to come back for a second time to see if
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I can get him to really talk to me and because the whole the whole first part of the conversation he was just like you
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know the attitude of take your pictures and get off my property but as soon as we started getting chatty and he kind of
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let his guard down I knew I could go back at least one more time during this first interaction with Felix were you
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recording your conversations I was recording the first one um I was wearing the sundress because it
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was late March early April and it was it started out as a hot day of course it turned chilly in that evening but uh so
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I wasn't dressed prepared to go and talk to him but it was a sometimes in the industry
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you have to dress a certain way for certain situations and another case that I was working on
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there was a gentleman that I needed to talk to and the only way I knew he was going to
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talk to me is if I showed a little cleavage for lack of a better way of putting it and so I dressed that way
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well if I would have hindsight I would have never dressed that way going to talk to Felix in the first place however
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it probably helped but the problem with that is usually I will put the recorder that I used I
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would put down in my bra and I didn't have one on that day and I'm like ah crap you know what am I going to do
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where I got to record this this could be the only conversation I ever have with this man it has to be recorded and I'm
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wearing and so my next option usually is my boot well I wasn't wearing boots I was wearing sandals so it promptly went
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down into the front of my panties and sat there the whole time while I was walking around with them picked it up
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great you know I was that's the first time I'd ever used that spot to hide my recorder but it worked I was a little
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worried and I thought okay if I sit down you know because it's just a little Olympus digital recorder and I thought
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if I sit down it could very well push a button I've had that happen before and it stops it and it could mess up the
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recording you know there's all kinds of things that could happen but in that first interaction I didn't
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sit down I didn't have a reason to sit down so I was uh grateful for that it goes better than you had expected better
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than planned now you're back in your car you're driving away you probably start to feel some that you're safe again you
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can shake off the nervousness but now it's time to call Jerry the author of Gone and let him know that that you just
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you just spoke to Felix and not only that but Felix went into this personal information and now Jerry just kind of
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brushes this off but you realize the importance of this because Felix has left the door open for another visit I
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said I'm going to try to go back and he was like you're crazy and I was like yeah I am and nice to meet you you know
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I mean he was new so he didn't know and uh I said I'm gonna try to go back and see what he does another day so then I
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go home and your adrenaline is just you know when you're I've never jumped out of an airplane I
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never would I'd rather sit in a shed with a serial killer than jump out of an airplane I'll be real honest with you
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but those people that jump out of airplanes you know that that do that for the adrenaline rush it's the same type
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of feeling I can imagine and but then when when it comes down you just crash you know I swept it off like literally
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10 hours and I never sleep that long and when I got up the next day I called Jerry and I was like okay I've got to
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figure out a plan and he said how are you going to go back you have no reason to go back what are you going to tell
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them I said I'm going to tell them that my pictures were [ __ ] and I need to take
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better pictures you've developed a plan to get back there and talk to Felix again but now speaking with a suspected
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multiple murder once is is nerve-wracking but to go back there a second time is just crazy you know I
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didn't I didn't know what I was going to be up against so you prepare your body your physical body like you're going to
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be on surveillance for the whole night which you know you load up on protein you stop drinking water you know so you
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don't have to go to the bathroom you know the whole thing and which was a good move on my end because he didn't
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have a bathroom and uh I told Jerry it's about you know two o'clock in the afternoon or
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something that's okay I'm going in I'll just leave me be I'll talk to you when I'm
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done I was in there for six hours talking to him second time six hours it was crazy so now you're in Felix's
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run-down house it's like a storage shed almost and Felix he's elderly at this point correct yeah he was I think 73 72
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at the time yeah but on your first visit you didn't go into his home I still asked in a jacket but I didn't get a
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good look and it's a storage shed it's actually a storage shed that he lives in like a two-room storage shed it wasn't
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very big at all probably the whole thing was probably 500 square feet you know yeah it sounds like he lives like the
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captain I and I mean the guy had serious Bo it was horrible it was gagging but he's very
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he's very neat and clean in a sense his body was not clean but his stuff was very well I mean almost to the point of
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OCD you know very well organized and clean and everything had its own little place and compartmentalized it was very
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interesting so not a home at all this is not a house at all this is a storage shed does he have electricity does he
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have running water no know that he had water and electricity there so you have like this concrete slab where This Old
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House was there's nothing there anymore it's I don't know a half an acre and then right behind it was a storage shed
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well the storage shed still existed so he converted that into a glorified bedroom
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and there was electricity to the storage shed but of course there's no running water so he would just go to the
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bathroom in the yard that's easy enough if you're doing a number one but what about a number two pretty sure he would
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just dig a and take a crap in the yard I'm not I'm not kidding um he he was like that you know
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and so but while I was there in that six hours he offered me wine and I'd take it I
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mean you have to in those situations and I didn't want to but I I did and and I thought to myself okay milk this because
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hey you don't want to obviously get you know drunk or anything and two you don't
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want to have to go to the bathroom and at one point he said I'm going to step out and go to the bathroom and I
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said okay and he said do you need to go and I was like no I'm good and he said well I can help you with that if you
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need to and I'm thinking to myself no you can't but thanks for the offer you know if I would have had to have gone I
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still would have done it anyway you know your options repeat your pants or go out
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in the yard and have a serial killer watch you pee whatever I'm gonna go squat in the yard well you're nervous on
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that first visit but during the second visit I mean are you scared at all because now you're inside the guy's home
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I don't know if I terrified but I was I was anxious and nervous and a little scared because
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it the main thing was when you sit in that storage shed at the time there was only one way in
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and one way out and that was at one door and he was in between me and that door and so
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there are double doors that opened but they were blocked with boxes and crates and things like that you know you think
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that's of course it's in my nature when I walk into a building I always look at this Escape Route you know how am I
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going to get out of here the fastest way possible and so of course that's running through my
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mind the whole time and then I realized I mean he's he's back in the day he could easily kick
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anybody's ass I'm sure he worked out a lot he he tries to eat healthy and he was probably pretty strong however
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I probably outweigh him by about 75 pounds you know I'm a big girl so I thought to myself okay this guy's 73 and
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yeah he's he still works out he's still eating healthy in the whole thing but I could probably take him
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enough to get out of the building if I needed to yeah because this guy could just get extremely violent very quickly
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I mean you have to watch his mannerisms try to pick up on on what he's doing on his character what read into him is this
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guy just some Rampage you know if I said the wrong thing he's just gonna snap and
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you know try to kill me right there or what's what's the situation so that's always in the back your mind but then
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about halfway through that first long meeting that six hour meeting um I just was pissed off
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and your demeanor changes a little well what did he do to get you pissed off you
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know I was at minutia and but you're when you're under cover you're in a position to where you can't
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just be like hey dude shut up and get to the point you know you can't do that especially with Felix of all people you
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cannot do that because he'll shut down and you're done and that's it and I wanted to leave that door wide open
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because we didn't know how big our window was good what was some characteristics that you were picking up
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from him I and on top of that he's used what he perceives as his Superior mental state
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of everybody as the way he views himself to take the lives of these women and that just it just pissed me off you know
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so my demeanor changed a bit I had to keep it intact but my demeanor changed a bit about halfway through and
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then from then forward it was just like I'm on a mission and this son of a [ __ ]
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is going to talk to me whether he wants to or not you know type of attitude yeah
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because after all of these years we're talking about a guy that was married twice he's intimately involved with
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another woman we have this situation where the first wife is found dead and the other two are just simply missing
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you know he gave me great detail about his relationship with Annette just a pretty good detail about his
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relationship with Sharon he never really talked about Mary at all um just very very briefly you know in
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this and all of like 90 of all this information came in that six hour time time frame that that that meeting but he
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never would say uh my lover Annette my wife Annette he never would say that he would just say this girl you know the
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girl I met I mean he gave me detail from how they met all the way to just kind of fizzled out and and even
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though he's talking about his past relationships he's not telling you what you need to know what happened to these
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women at some point during that comfort conversation I think okay this is my this is where I'm going to get my
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Smoking Gun how do I you know ask him questions without grilling him so to speak plus I have to be oblivious
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to all this information he can't know that I know everything already he's telling me the last thing you can say to
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a man like this is well what happened to her because that projects a a an accusatory tone towards him I could say
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it to you all day long you'd be like well what happened to her was XYZ not with him what do you mean what happened
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to her are you saying I did something to her that's how he would react and now you're walking a very fine line because
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you can't ask him specific questions very direct questions without him shutting down you still need information
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and all he's willing to say is that these relationships well they just fizzled out I said well do you ever see
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her again this was the weirdest this is the single most strangest thing that has
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ever happened to me in my entire life ever it's this moment when I said to him oh that's sad it sounds like you really
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you know had a deep love for her do you ever see her anymore and I knew damn good and well he didn't
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because you know he murdered her but there's no doubt in my mind but his you know how they talk about oh
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so-and-so's eyes just turned black and their demeanor just changed in an instant the whole thing and I always
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thought to myself okay whatever you know I'm I'm very skeptical I don't trust anybody and I'm just like whatever
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whatever I saw that happen in that very moment and that was the only time that I
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was truly for the lack of a better term terrified in his presence because he was he was standing up for
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whatever reason I can't remember and I was sitting down so I'm immediately more vulnerable in the physical ratio and
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I said Oh I thought to myself I'm going to provoke him and get him to talk about
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the end of their relationship because like I said he just kind of Fizzles out oh we just went our separate ways okay
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what a great love story that is and you know all the detail I had to hear Do you
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ever see her anymore and has he turned to me and mind you he's like four feet away from me turns to me and he steps
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towards me when he turned his eyes were black and he's got blue eyes you've seen the
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pictures he's got blue light his eyes were black and he took a step towards me and he was
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just no no I don't see her anymore and he immediately starts talking about something else and it made me nervous to
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her I was almost physically shaking I was like oh my God this is this is the part where I die all right I don't have
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time to text I'm gonna die and here we go [Music] foreign [Music] we're talking with Gina frenzel a
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private investigator in the state of Texas who is investigating the suspected serial killer of Felix Vale and Gina who
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do you believe is his suspected victims uh in technical terms I think his first victim
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his story Felix's story is that they were out on the boat and he had a stump their trot line fishing you know
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at night like at dusk and he hits a stump and she falls in water and he Dives down to find her he
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can't find her and you know her body's found three days later but I think what happened based off of
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I based this information off of what what he's told me what other people have said that you
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know had first-hand information from Felix and then things that I've seen and read
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be it in his journals or you know letters that he had kept and you know just all the pieces of the puzzle I
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think what happened was that they went he took her out on the boat made her go out on the boat with him she
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didn't she was terrified of water at night and um took her out there strangled her hit her in the head I
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think he might have hit her in the head first with one of the oars put her into the boat drug her in and put her into
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the boat drove out to where he dumped her body which was a couple miles down the river
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put her in the water and turn around left and if you look at the pictures of her
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body coming out um I mean all of that there's so much that indicates that you know she's got a
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head a head wound and her there's oil and stuff on her on the front part of her body
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her her panties are actually pulled out of the back of her pants and but to me it just indicates you know I'm moving
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somebody across and the docks that he that Shell Beach boat docks where he kept his boat
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so many that was dark there were no there was no night light there or anything like this and I've I've talked
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to several people that grew up in the area and knew the docs well and you know if your boat motor was
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broken or whatever you just set them there on the dock and you'd work on it and there was oil and all kinds of
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things you know just on the dock so it and it was clear that she had some kind of oily substance all over her the front
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of her clothes so also the scarf around her neck um back in the day of course the ladies
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Ward scarf and they would wear it over their hair to keep their hair you know from blowing in the wind but it was
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shoved three or four inches four inches down into her throat so you don't get that from accidentally
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drowning but what would be Felix's motivation for killing his wife she you know you know and
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she thought she might have been pregnant again she was not turns out she was not she
00:32:30
had female problems that caused some issues that would mimic her being pregnant and
00:32:38
Felix is documented telling someone that he didn't want to have the first kid much less the second kid and
00:32:45
yeah I think his words where I fix that [ __ ] to where she'll never have another
00:32:48
kid you know that kind of thing you had mentioned to me that that Felix had some
00:32:53
mommy issues what did you mean about his his family and his mommy issues he in in
00:33:00
my undercover work with him he claims now keep in mind out of that six hours of just
00:33:07
dredging on about everything you know he's very Transcendental Meditation type of
00:33:14
product of the 60s you know just your stereotypical person like that well so out of that six hours probably four
00:33:24
of it is him talking about all this just crap that just but you have to endure it and during the
00:33:30
course of that he's talking about he claims to have you know he he asked me what the
00:33:37
earliest memories I have and you know I said I don't know if you're four years old I can't remember and he claims to
00:33:42
have memories of him in the womb he says that he remembers as a newborn breastfeeding and he talks about he's
00:33:52
fascinated with breastfeeding and even through his journals it's just weird and he talks about breastfeeding on his mom
00:33:58
and playing with her nipples to the point of stimulating her sexually and it's just
00:34:07
it's just weird but then you have of course there's there's the all the siblings and he's
00:34:16
the second son or the I'm sorry he's the first son and his brother I can't remember the age difference but
00:34:25
he's got his younger brother Ronnie and they're close you know they stay close but
00:34:31
apparently Felix was very very close to his mother in a bizarre way you know just in a weird way unnatural and of
00:34:41
course he touched on that you know with me what I just explained to you but then
00:34:45
throughout his adult life you know it was I got the impression that his mother was oh Felix can do no
00:34:54
wrong you know Felix is he will he is the perfect child he is whatever he does wrong mommy's gonna
00:35:03
cover up for him too or turn a blind eye so to speak now I'm not saying that he she knew that he did something and
00:35:12
she hid the truth I don't think that was the case I think what it was is she probably thought okay he's done
00:35:19
something poorly and or you know he's done something deceived deceiving and so we're just gonna act
00:35:27
like it didn't happen and we're not gonna bring it up and we're not going to talk about it of course you have to
00:35:31
attribute some of that to the generation too but all these years of course we didn't
00:35:36
learn this until like a year later but all these years he has all these journals and the man writes down every
00:35:44
freaking thing he's done everything I'm not kidding you he writes down everything
00:35:48
but the journal start January 1st of 1985. you know and that disappeared in 1984. so where are the rest of the
00:35:55
journals well then later we learned that he kept them in the Attic of his mom's house well you can't tell me his mom
00:36:03
didn't obviously she knew he kept things up there and there was probably a pretty
00:36:08
strong chance that she might have read a journal or two throughout the years who
00:36:12
knows but he he led such a nomadic lifestyle that his prize possessions that he didn't have with him always stayed at
00:36:23
his parents house what do you know and think about his second victim was was she a wife or a girlfriend Sharon was
00:36:31
his second victim and she Sharon Hensley and she was a girlfriend she's a long time term girlfriend but according to
00:36:38
Felix she took off in a boat sailed away with a couple at one point in a letter he wrote to her
00:36:48
mom she took off with John and Vanessa and then at another point he wrote in something else to
00:36:56
somebody else that he took off with uh another another name you know a couple but he took off with another name and
00:37:06
nothing is consistent except the fact that she was in a boat and she took off with this couple he
00:37:12
claimed that they both did pornography films I don't know that he obviously could
00:37:17
have performed in that kind of setting however I think she probably did she was a stripper and
00:37:25
I think that evolved into maybe one or two pornography films and I think what happened was sometime
00:37:32
at some point in 1973 they go to the Florida and to do pornography I mean he told me
00:37:41
that's what they did they went over there to do that and I think there was a different man I
00:37:47
think Vanessa is actually Sharon when he refers to Vanessa in these letters I think Vanessa is actually Sharon and
00:37:53
this guy John I think is probably somebody that she either was in the pornography industry with or met
00:38:03
somewhere along the way in in relation to that and I think his jealousy took over
00:38:09
because Mary obviously he offered her because he didn't he didn't want the kid responsibility and there was a life
00:38:16
insurance policy that he was able to collect partially clicked on with chairman there was no fiduciary
00:38:24
gain for her her to be dead and Felix is very possessive and very jealous and very controlling I think
00:38:32
what happened was John whoever this John guy is and Vanessa being Sharon started an intimate relationship and it
00:38:41
was probably okay at the beginning but then he gets insanely jealous and you're not going to be if you're not
00:38:48
going to be with me then you're not going to be with anybody I think he rented a boat I think he drove off the
00:38:53
coast of the keys and kill them both dump them in the ocean and came back that's what I think
00:39:00
honestly happened to her um her body will never ever ever be found I think she and I think
00:39:07
there is potentially a male victim associated with her so Felix's first wife is found dead he
00:39:14
claims she drowned in the river and but her body's found three days later and it's obvious that it's suspicious
00:39:22
circumstances then he has this other relationship with a girlfriend and the mother is looking for the girlfriend
00:39:29
because she disappears he claims that she took off with another couple they left out in the middle of the ocean but
00:39:37
Felix doesn't stop with the relationships there does he he he he has another suspected victim yes third
00:39:45
victim was a wife Annette craverville she was 15 when they met and they they dated and traveled around
00:39:58
they met in a garage sale in Houston Texas of all places they date for a while he convinces Mary to sign off
00:40:05
paperwork so she can marry him claiming that we're driving we're traveling around and I and I think Annette even
00:40:14
said in a letter to her mom at one stage you know if we have to get married because
00:40:20
he's traveling with a minor and we love each other just let us get married and and Mary Annette's mother says at that
00:40:28
point she said you know if I don't allow her to get married then I'm probably never gonna see her
00:40:34
again it was it got to one of those situations so she said okay y'all get married they get married
00:40:40
Feel It Felix is a pedophile plain and simple I have zero doubt based off of all the
00:40:46
information that I have gathered during the course of my investigation Felix is a pedophile
00:40:51
so that partially to me in my mind explains why he would be attracted to a 15 year old girl anyway she was not
00:41:00
you know today you look at 15 year old girls and you're like what are they what are they putting in their milk you know
00:41:05
they're developed and they're like the guy's the ass and the boobs and you you're thinking you're not 15. and that
00:41:12
was not like that she was very thin frame she did not have big breasts you know um almost a boyish type of figure
00:41:24
and I Felix preferred little boys over little girls in his pedophilia well so to me in my mind that explains
00:41:35
partially explains the attraction to the net but from the very beginning he knew about Annette
00:41:45
getting an inheritance when she was 18. her father was killed in a car crash in Mexico and she was his only child
00:41:54
and her mom and dad were divorced but he had a life insurance policy that paid to a net that she would get when
00:42:02
she was 18. and again Felix Felix never really held down a job hardly ever so with the First with
00:42:13
his first wife we see the motive of not wanting to have the child but there's also the financial gain of the insurance
00:42:20
policy collecting a portion of that we later learned that that money that he received he used zero dollars of that to
00:42:28
pay for his own wife's funeral he didn't pay for her funeral at all now we have this situation where he puts himself in
00:42:36
a relationship with a young girl that he believes is going to receive money when
00:42:41
she turns 18 and so he can he can foresee the financial gain here all always financial gain he knew from
00:42:49
the very beginning she was going to get this money and then he just planned his course you know
00:42:55
he never gave up they they met each other they separated you know she was in Oklahoma he goes back he goes to
00:43:04
Oklahoma to find her her mom says no she's not there he tracked her down she was over in Bernie of all places which
00:43:10
is between here and Canyon Lake between where I am in Canyon Lake it's a little community and she was at this private
00:43:16
school there he tracks her down he was after her her money the entire time and when she disappeared
00:43:26
I think there was about 40 or 50 000 that was unaccounted for and there's no doubt it ended up in his
00:43:34
pocket so they get married they travel around and when she turns I mean it's just like
00:43:42
clockwork when she turns 18 they convince her mom her mom had bought this house with a back apartment a garage
00:43:50
apartment so that they could fix it up and have income a residual income while they were living
00:43:57
up in Oklahoma well he convinces Annette to convince her mom to sign the house completely over to
00:44:05
Annette and her mom did her mom Mary said that it was all but a threat it was basically
00:44:13
turn it over else type of thing and she was very intimidated by the whole situation and it all was
00:44:20
coming from Felix so she does she signs it over to Annette because if the money if I understand right the the money some
00:44:28
of the money used to buy the house was from Annette's inheritance from her dad's life insurance policy and so that
00:44:36
was the idea was Mary said look you know she's young she's she's very artistic uh you know the whole starving artist
00:44:45
mentality I want to set her up in a situation to where she can have some residual income and still be free to
00:44:52
explore her artistic side and not have to worry about you know Financial issues so it was a smart move in the onset
00:45:02
so she she signs it over to Annette and then just within two or three months later Annette signs it over completely
00:45:09
100 percent to Felix and then two months later and that disappears so yeah I mean come on yeah where is she
00:45:19
what is his explanation for where she's gone what does what is his story and his
00:45:25
story is so inconsistent like completely inconsistent with her he said that she took off
00:45:32
on a Greyhound bus in St Louis they're off there so she could go pursue this boyfriend
00:45:40
in Mexico and then then another story was that he put they were in St Louis camping they were on this you know road
00:45:48
trip camping and uh she met two people at the bus station and she decided she just wanted to take off with them she
00:45:55
didn't want to be married to him anymore and he's like fine here you go here's your here's your money and your your
00:46:00
stuff you hit the road um he claims that she signed the house over to him as a love offering what was
00:46:08
his words for being um a father figure and a lover and a teacher you know just very everything
00:46:15
was very much I'm so great she loved me so much because I'm so awesome she gave me this house you know that kind of
00:46:23
mentality and then he was I so those are his stories on her that she she just took off and and they made
00:46:32
the agreement and that was one of the things he told me but he said it numerous times over the years that they
00:46:37
agreed to see where each other were 10 years later and meet up and say hey and have a cup of coffee type of deal well
00:46:45
that's what prompted me in in my meetings with him was to say oh have you all seen each other you know that's when
00:46:51
he you know turned black what do you think the real story is in Ray or the week that he said she took
00:46:59
off on the bus and that was the last time anybody saw her two weeks later a approximately two
00:47:06
weeks later they they being Felix in the net were down in Louisiana in Sulfur Louisiana or Lake Charles area at the
00:47:15
county fair with his family and they testified to that and so of course that story doesn't hold
00:47:22
water then what happened oh I don't know I just have my dates wrong well what happened was they go down there to stay
00:47:27
with his family and they go down there to stay with his family and go to this County Fair and
00:47:33
the whole thing and then they say hey we're going to take off and go camping for a day or two
00:47:39
and he's they're gone for three days and he comes back by himself and his niece I think it's his niece
00:47:50
one of the family members said that he was acting weird and he was eating meat and Felix was not a big meat eater now
00:47:58
not to say he was 100 I never eat meat no he would eat meat but he wouldn't like you know give me a
00:48:05
steak every day I'm a happy girl that's not how he was he would selectively eat meat very very few times in his life
00:48:14
okay they said that he came back and he was acting strange and he was eating meat and just just bizarre just bizarre
00:48:22
I think what happened was yeah they went camping I think you know she was already
00:48:26
18 it was time for him to move on he was tired of her he tired of her and he killed her and as more of it as a
00:48:34
sound my gut tells me I can't explain it I have no proof of this whatsoever my gut tells me he chopped her up he threw
00:48:42
her in a bayou somewhere where he knew there were alligators he knew the area very well he lived there when he was
00:48:47
married to Mary his first wife and her body will never be found again I think that's what happened to Mayor I
00:48:53
mean Annette I think that's what happened to Annette so what happens when he comes back he comes back and a few
00:49:01
weeks later Annette's Mother Mary Hey where's Annette where's Annette where's Annette and he's oh he starts
00:49:10
spinning off the story that she took off on the that's when she immediately missing
00:49:16
person and reporting to the police and what he's saying is not right Mary never Mary Craver never never once
00:49:26
thought her daughter took off from the very beginning like within weeks of her disappearance
00:49:32
he she always said Felix killed her and disposed of her and I know he did and he's lying about it and she's always
00:49:39
been just diligent about you know never giving up and and of course that's what brought it took
00:49:47
50 years but it got us to this stage now but there were some signs you know there
00:49:53
were some red flags that went up things that her mother had seen regarding the turmoil in their relationship
00:50:09
mom and she had gotten pregnant and he made her have an abortion he didn't want kids
00:50:15
and then she he he beat her up chokes her you know not choked her out obviously they had a fight she comes back and
00:50:24
stays with her mom in Oklahoma and then he comes up there to come get her and she reluctantly goes back with him I
00:50:32
think her term was Felix was the smartest man I've ever known and you know it's the Love of All loves you know
00:50:38
that kind of thing so that being said um there was there was the domestic violence in that
00:50:46
relationship and after the fact it wasn't until probably a year maybe two years later
00:50:52
after his arrest after Felix's arrest that we found women in fact right up until the trial we were
00:51:01
getting tips and we talked to all these people we found several women that that same thing he beat me up he slapped me
00:51:08
one woman said she he was choking her in the shower and her brother came in and saved her you know
00:51:15
um and this was all from from The Disappearance of no it was right it went anywhere from
00:51:24
1968 all the way up to like 1980 you know and though that time frame and a lot of it in California but but the the
00:51:33
interesting thing about it is fast forward to the house in Oklahoma that he has owned up until
00:51:41
2013. literally has owned all these years and used it as a rental and there's this nice couple living there a
00:51:47
young couple and all of a sudden there's this room up in the attic and it's always locked
00:51:56
padlocked and it's Felix's room I'm the landlord that's where I keep my tools and whatever just don't mess with my
00:52:02
stuff but this couple um had a free range of everything else well they decide they're going to buy the
00:52:10
house from him and this is interesting enough this is all taking place it's all coming out
00:52:15
at the same time I'm under cover with him before he gets arrested it's all happening at the same time and of course
00:52:21
I was unaware of it at the time but when you look back at the Timeline you see it
00:52:23
so Felix wants to own or Finance this house for this couple but what's in the room what's in the secret Felix room and
00:52:31
he said Hey I'm going to come up and I'm going to clean out that room and then you know I'll unlock it and the house is
00:52:37
yours so all the paperwork's done everything's done he goes up he gets his stuff he leaves and a few weeks later
00:52:43
the new owners of this house say hey we're going to go up in that room and clean out because he left some stuff
00:52:51
behind back in an old suitcase shoved up inside the suitcase is a is a bag and inside that bag is Annette's
00:53:03
clothing it's her belongings and it's all shoved in the suitcase and all shoved way back up and like tucked in
00:53:10
the corner of the eve of the house and they find it and they immediately call the police on
00:53:17
it and for the police to come and get it well at this point I I can't remember if he had been
00:53:24
arrested yet or not but they had heard the story about him and they're like whoa this is weird then when they see
00:53:29
this immediate red flag and the police come and get it well what is in this bag I'll tell you it's
00:53:36
it's a weekend bag first and foremost the most red flag of the whole bag is her birth control her birth control
00:53:45
is in the back okay I don't care who you are if you're taking off if you're whatever stage of life you're in as a
00:53:52
woman if you were on birth control because you're not going to have a kid and you're taking off you might leave
00:53:58
your shoes behind you're taking your birth control I'm going to tell you that right now
00:54:02
so her birth control's in there and there were three different forms of birth control okay
00:54:07
pill a sponge and a spermicide this girl was serious about not getting pregnant and from what I understand
00:54:16
the abortion rightfully so was probably one of the most horrible experiences you
00:54:21
know at that stage in her life so she didn't want to go through that again and she knew Felix didn't want kids so she
00:54:26
wasn't going to take the chance of getting pregnant so it's birth control swimming suit
00:54:32
a change of clothing and like a hat a pair of sandals I think I'm not sure some undergarments but
00:54:39
if I look at it as a female and I'm looking at that bag I say that is a weekend bag so my assumption on that is
00:54:48
if that was the bag that she had while they were down in Louisiana during the last time she was seen and he gets back
00:54:58
home after he kills her gets rid of her body goes back to his family's home stays there a night or two then goes
00:55:06
back home to Oklahoma cleaning out the car and he's like oh [ __ ] I got her bag I'm gonna shove it up
00:55:12
here in the corner and I'll take care of it later and he never did literally he totally
00:55:18
forgot about it because when he went up there he kept it padlocked this all these years
00:55:23
so when 30 years 40 years when he goes up there to get his stuff for the final time to turn the house completely over
00:55:30
to the new owners he forgets about that back and they find it stop [Music] all right
00:55:43
did you guys miss me do you miss me I'm still here I'm still here a lot of information there Captain
00:55:49
a lot of stuff covered regarding this Felix character and his past relationships
00:55:56
and talk about a creep factor I mean to be stuck in a shack with this guy that you believe has killed multiple women
00:56:03
and he's he's the thing between you and Freedom the door and she feels Gina feels like he wants some kind of
00:56:13
friendship or relationship with her and that's why he's allowed her in his home allowed her himself to open up and speak
00:56:21
with her and talk with her about his past and yet she she would fall right into his
00:56:28
victimology at that sense and if he were to slip or say the wrong thing or if she
00:56:33
were to act out of turn and ask the wrong question right well it could be lights out for Gina yeah like you said
00:56:39
either or I mean he could say something that he didn't want to say and now uh she has to die because of that all right
00:56:46
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