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crime it was a cold case in the deep south of former beauty queen and school teacher
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who mysteriously disappeared and was eventually declared dead now 12 years after Tara grinstead disappeared Diane
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mcinerney says a man from her hometown has been charged with her murder at long last a break in the baffling
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disappearance of a beauty between 11 years ago this scraggly 33 year old has been charged with a slaying of pageant
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winner Tara grinstead who vanished Without a Trace from her home in a small Georgia town cracking the case of The
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Disappearance of Tara grinstead Tara Faye grinstead is huge Tara's dog was found at her home looking forlorn after
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her disappearance I have exercised and shopped for clothes and clothes and clothes 30 year old Tara was a
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three-time winner of a local beauty contest she was also a contestant in the 1999 Miss Georgia Pageant Aja dominicone
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won that contest and became close friends with Tara she was just a beautiful person inside and out she was
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a wonderful friend we would go shopping together and you know pick out entity dresses and talent dresses Tara also
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taught High School history she was really a phenomenal teacher and had such a passion for her work her disappearance
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triggered a massive search in two thousand 5 and National interest tonight I am live here in Ocilla Georgia we are
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at the Tara grandstad location the mystery held particular interest for Georgia native Nancy Grace this is a
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case that has haunted not only me but a whole town now for 11 years as the years
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passed Tara was declared legally dead but her body was never found now out of nowhere an individual came forward and
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reported that they had information in the terrorist disappearance as a result of that tip Ryan Duke has been charged
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we always believe that it would be soft we just did not know when Duke graduated
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from the high school where Tara taught it's not clear whether they knew each other filmmaker Payne Lindsay is
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credited with keeping the case in the public eye through his podcast this is up and vanished
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investigation of Tara grinstead I'm your host Payne Lindsay it seemed like he had
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been wearing the weight of the world for over a decade but many questions remain
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we still don't know where our body is we still don't know exactly what happened to her
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be wary of 2017 the gbi surprised everyone with an announcement of a press conference with the case remaining
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unsolved for almost 12 years at that point people did not know what to expect from this press conference on February
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23rd the gbi announced that it had made an arrest in the Tara grinstead case Irwin County authorities had arrested
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33-year-old Ryan Alexander Duke of asila and had charged him with murder burglary
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and aggravated assault and concealing a death the bombshell effect of this announcement cannot be overstated in
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short everyone was stunned the gbi admitted that Ryan Duke had never been on their radar and even more shockingly
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Ryan had been a student at the high school where Tara had taught for years so Ryan was just 21 years old when Tara
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had disappeared in 2005 and he had graduated from Irwin County high school three years earlier
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after his arrest he was held at the Irwin County Jail without bail and in April of 2017 Ryan was indicted by the
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Irwin County grand jury on multiple counts including burglary aggravated murder and felony murder
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what do we know about what they believe happened in 2005. well that's a good question because until recently until
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very recently in fact there was a gag order in place regarding the Terra grinstead case there is information in
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the court documents however this including the arrest warrants and indictments and we will go through that
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but mostly there are people talking but officials have released very little actual information what we can figure
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out is this all right the arrest warrant and indictments both assert that Ryan Duke burglarized Tara's home and used
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either his hands or hand to kill her he then removed her body into and disposed of it authorities using the term
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burglary well this could be interesting you know burglary meaning entering by unlawful Force or without permission in
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order to commit another crime right so this possibly means that they have some kind of knowledge that he broke into the
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home and intended to do something to harm Tara or it's just the simple Act of stealing
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from the home now a tip from someone who had been told about the murder was what led the police to Ryan Duke Ryan
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Duke was arrested in 2010 in Ocilla for a DUI and was arrested in another County
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for another DUI at some point it is unknown whether he was fingerprinted at that time
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when Ryan was released on bond his mother told officers that she would prefer that Ryan remain in jail and then
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he was sent back initially but then released for health reasons so other than these two DUI arrests Ryan has no
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other criminal record Ryan is in pretty bad Health due to years of substance abuse yeah he he has a lot of problems
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with uh drugs and alcohol and he's actually he was on kidney dialysis for about four months he has nerve damage in
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his feet from collapsed veins in his legs and several of his organs have come close to failing altogether
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now around the time of Ryan's arrest authorities conducted major searches of a Fitzgerald pecan Farm owned by the
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Hudson family this is a prominent family in the area of which one member of the family was at one point a Georgia state
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senator now 41 agents searched the premises this included a body recovery team and they also brought in machines
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for digging it's uncertain if they were able to locate anything at that time this is one thing that you and I kind of
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and I hate to say that we kind of have laughed about this behind the scenes but you know when these microphones are not
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on we are we just laugh about everything well we are talking about these cases and we don't mean to poke fun at it or
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be light about it but the truth is okay so early on there were reports out there
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that they had found something you know they bring in this body recovery team it's believed they were looking for
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Tara's Remains the reports coming out that they had found something right and then those reports just kind of dim
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diminish and disappear and then you never hear talk about it again and so we're kind of left here sitting on our
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hands me and the captain going did they find something did they not find anything what are we going to learn when
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this thing hopefully goes to trial I'm sitting on my thumb so people that knew Ryan they were surprised by these
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allegations being leveled against him everyone said it was totally out of out of character for him to break in to
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someone's home murder somebody we have to murder someone his mother said that that Ryan had a job at the time of her
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disappearance of Tara's disappearance and she believed this points to the fact that he wouldn't need to burglarize
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whole homes right now Ryan was described by people who knew him around the time of Tara's death or disappearance as not
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the criminal mastermind type people were shocked that he would be able to pull off this crime and hide it for 12 years
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if if in fact that is what happened and I bring that up because you know where we think we're getting
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some clarification as to what happened to Tara in my opinion I think the the waters just get a little murkier here
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because in March just weeks after the arrest of Ryan Duke police announced a second arrest in Tara's case the Ben
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Hill County Sheriff's Department arrested a guy by the name of Bo dukes and in every report out there you will
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read or hear that they are quick to point out that these two are not related their last names are so similar right
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Ryan Duke and Bo Dukes you have to point out that they are of no relation they charge this man with concealing a death
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hindering the apprehension of a criminal and tampering with evidence specifically
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authorities stated that Bo Dukes who was a school friend of Ryan's and roommate they had shared a place together during
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the around the time that Tara had disappeared they even appeared side by side in the
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Irwin County High School yearbook due to the similarities of their last names right
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so this is what their belief is is that at the time of her disappearance that Beau Dukes was a roommate of Ryan's
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after they graduated and that he helped Ryan hide and Destroy Tara's body the arrest warrant for Bo Duke's alleged
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that Tara's body was hidden sometime between October 23rd and October 28 2005 on a pecan Farm owned by Bo Duke's Uncle
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Randy Hudson of the Hudson family who was cooperating in the searches it further alleged that Beau had aided
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and abetted Ryan in concealing Tara's death and destroying her physical body Beau Dukes was released on bond now
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remember Tara's sister Anita she knew the Duke's family and had even stayed with some of the family members
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when she visited Ocilla during the investigation into Tara so that it's a small world in Ocilla and it's a you
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know just one degree of separation between some of these people now what do we know about Bo dukes and what possibly
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happened in 2005 Okay so Bo Dukes he broke up with his girlfriend his former girlfriend now uh Brooke Sheridan
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this would have been in January of 2017. well in February Brooke decided to tell
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authorities the story Beau had told her and she reached out to law enforcement this was the tip that led to these
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arrests the story was this that Beau as said they were roommates he was roommates with Ryan in 2005.
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had been told by Ryan that he Ryan had killed Tara and dumped her body in the pecan Orchard and that he had used
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beau's truck to do this Ryan and Beau then went to the pecan Orchard and burned Tara's body
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Beau told Brooke that he had never he never knew the motivating factor behind Ryan killing Tara and in fact stated
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quote only God and Ryan know why he did this Brooke Sheridan told an interview that
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Ryan had used a credit card to access the door of Tara's house gaining entry into the home and that Tara's keys and
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purse were thrown into a dumpster so just a side note for everybody put deadbolts on your doors please so
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people can't Jimmy your locks and get inside now Bo dukes and his then wife were arrested this is it for an incident
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that took place in 2013 to give you a little background on Beau Dukes this was for stealing more than a hundred and
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fifty thousand dollars of property from the U.S army those are is that a group you want to steal from Captain yeah no
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so do the the answer would be no right Dukes I guess was a procurement officer at the time for the Army in which he
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ordered about 150 000 worth of electronic and mechanical equipment this on the Army's dime and he
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and his wife then fenced this equipment Bo served over two years in federal prison for this he was released in 2015.
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he also had to pay restitution perform community service and go weekly to AAA meetings for about 12 months
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so that is his criminal record now Beau has been described by people who knew both him and Ryan from the uh from the
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high school that they went to together as the one that would be considered to be more unstable more volatile he had
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apparently told the story of what had happened to Tara to some of his army buddies as well as telling Brooke
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apparently he told his ex-wife as well which he would later claim she used that information to blackmail him I'm a
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little uncertain as to what she what the gain was for her in the whole black mailing process he makes it sound like
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it was just so he wouldn't divorce her yeah I mean that's what his girlfriend his now girlfriend Brooke is claiming is
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that any time he would threaten to leave she would threaten to go to authorities
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with this confession so what law enforcement would State and what we would learn in last year was that Beau
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was indicted in June of of 2017 by a Ben Hill County grand jury the indictment states that he did unlawfully and
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knowingly destroy physical evidence by burning the body of Tara Faye grinstead a human being at a location off of
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Bowens mill Highway in Fitzgerald Georgia the indictment also charges that he tampered with evidence and concealed
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a death in August of 2017 Beau was indicted by a Wilcox County grand jury for two counts of making false
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statements one count of hindering the apprehension of a criminal and one count of concealing the death of another
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increasingly this was this Wilcox County indictment states that in June of 2016 Dukes covered up the fact that Ryan Duke
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had confessed to him that he had killed Tara by denying to a gbi agent investigating the case that he had
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spoken with another man about burning Tara's body well this is significant because this is
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the first that we have heard that either Bo or Ryan had been interviewed by law enforcement in connection with Tara's
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disappearance prior to that of the time in 2017 when the arrests were made right
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the indictment specifically says that do the the doe that Bo was interviewed a deer by the gbi in 2016. what we don't
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know is this you know what was learned during the course of these interviews because these took place some nine
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months before any arrests were made in this case and gbi has said multiple times that Ryan Duke was not quote on
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their radar yeah so what is this sounds a little fishy well but what makes me question is does
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that mean that Beau was on their radar yeah so in March of 2018 the Georgia Supreme Court declared that the gag
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order on the Terra grins get grinstead case was overly Broad and they vacated it meaning that they threw it out this
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means that much more information should be coming out at some point regarding this case all right so we'll just wait
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till then well it likely I I bet you it's going to be a trial situation right um it because in May of 2018 Ryan Duke's
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attorney asked for more time for Discovery in this case citing the massive case File so Ryan is expected to
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go to trial in the summer of 2019 when he does well everybody watching this case should finally get some answers to
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all the questions that we have and we'll go through I listed out some of my questions and we can get into that in
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just a minute here but what I want to bring up here Captain is you know do we have a situation where
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you know I've heard Bo Duke's state that both these guys are going to have to go
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to trial at some point right and I've heard Bo Dukes he seems to think that his trial will be after that of Ryan
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and I don't know that that's going to be true um depending on what shakes loose between now and when this thing gets to
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trial he's also stated that being Bo that he possibly could get some kind of immunity when it comes to some of these
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charges I I hope not I question that and I also question you know we have seen that we
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have Ryan Duke who has pled not guilty and asking for additional time and what you and I have both spoke about multiple
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times is that we wonder do we have a situation where there's some finger pointing going on and it's just not in
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the way of Bo Duke stating Ryan Duke did this by himself and I helped him after the fact right it possibly could be Ryan
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saying Bo is responsible for this foreign we're back cheers all right Captain I want to get into my
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list of questions I know you have your own questions as well but if you don't mind we'll go through my list first and
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it might check them off yours at the same time so my first question would be what actually happened on the night of
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October 22nd 2005 meaning did Ryan Duke actually intend to just break into the home and steal some things from Tara's
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home that he that was money the whole purpose of him being there that night or did something more nefarious happen like
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was Ryan stalking Tara or did he break into her home to rape or kill her there was a
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rumor that I and I want to be clear this is just a straight up rumor I don't even
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have a source to cite on this one but there was one rumor that I had read that there was some thought that maybe Ryan
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was going to the home Tara's home at night and possibly watching her sleep I guess that meaning peeping you know
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like a Peeping Tom creepo leading me to my next question Captain was it Ryan in the black we referenced a black truck
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that we know was seen by at least two people now the first question I have is is it in fact the same black truck seen
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by both of these people but furthermore was it Ryan in the black truck outside of Tara's home or was it Beau or was it
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neither or could possibly both right you know because basically Bo's story is that as their partying Ryan took beau's
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truck so that would Place Bo's truck at her house at some point uh but now if you believe him then yeah Ryan drove the
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truck over there blah blah blah but if you don't believe him there's that possibility like you just said could
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both of them went over there I don't know how true this is because I personally um based off of his previous actions
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this is Beau Dukes right and my gut feeling is I don't know how truthful and honest of a person Bo Dukes is no he's a
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real piece of [ __ ] but there is a conversation that he has where he's directly asked if if that was his black
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truck that was spotted that night and to which his answer is I did not own a black truck at that time I owned a white
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truck but in his confession he's saying that you know Ryan used his truck I you know I think a lot of people believe
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that his confession is partly true and then the other stuff he's kind of distancing himself from it so he's
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basically saying hey guys yeah I know it took me 11 years to confess but here it
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is and here's the God's honest truth and I'm on your side I think that's how he's
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trying to play his cards right now well and to be clear to the people out there listening that have never heard of this
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case his beauduk's confession if in fact it's true does not have to include this black truck that black
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truck may have nothing to do with the crime right his confession can still be 100 truthful and that black truck never
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even enters the picture as far as what happened to Tara's concern and furthermore the the the whole
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furthermore the fire that took place on Snapdragon Road at that house in SUV would then have presumably have nothing
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to do with Tara's disappearance as well just be some kind of coincidence right but we also have three suspects that
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have been um dragged through the mud and and people have talked bad about and they've
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had to alter their lives for 11 years so there's a lot of things that uh people thought for years had to do with her
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disappearance and her and her murder that have nothing to do with it the next question would be whose DNA is that on
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the glove that was found in her front yard also how involved is Bo Dukes did he just help dispose of
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the body as he claims or is it possible that the two of them worked together to attack and kill Tara
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it's what it seems like is going on right now Captain is that police clearly believe that Ryan is the main culprit
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right and I can say this because he's the one that's sitting in jail while Bo is not right so will Beau testify or be
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forced to testify against Ryan at trial here's a new question and I say new because this is a recent recent uh
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specular speculation on this case right did Ryan Duke confess at some point after his arrest did he confess to
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having some involvement or did he confess to similar things that Bo Duke states that
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he did yeah we don't know that yet we we have no clue and a lot of people will go
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wait a second he pled not guilty that doesn't mean that he didn't confess or confess to some involvement right and
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later pled not guilty because keep in mind when he pleads not guilty he's pleading to those specific charges as
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presented to him at that arraignment and then the other question the see what is that they say 64 000 question
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is uh was Tara's remains or any portion of her remains found on that pecan Farm yeah I mean that's uh that's another one
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I can't find anywhere I mean you can if you look on YouTube um Tara grinstead found the title of the
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video will be that they found a body but when you watch the video it's like it doesn't tell you if they found anything
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or not gotcha so how do we want to go about talk addressing these questions well and
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that's just one set of questions you came out with them I mean I probably got another 10 to 15. I think the more that
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you dive into this stuff there's tons of speculation happening right now and depending on what you watch or what you
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read uh and anybody that's interested in this case um I think you should take the time to
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listen to up and vanish uh done by pain Lindsay we've we've been able to hang out with him uh multiple times at crime
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con uh he seems like a good guy and I think what a weird situation for him to dive into a Cold Case
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start diving into the three major suspects kind of start throwing them under the
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bus a little bit and then all of a sudden this bombshell happens and you're kind of in the middle of all this and I
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do believe I mean that's one of the reasons why we cover cases that you want to get the community talking about it so
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to to know that a podcast possibly had some involvement in getting people to talk about this and then ultimately
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bringing down this bombshell of a confession uh it's very interesting well that's the whole purpose in covering a
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lot of these cases and the purpose for us you know is to especially with the the
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quote unquote cold cases and some cases from these smaller towns these little nooks and crannies of our beautiful
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country that we may not hear about on a national level and I know that Tara's case was heard on
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a national level but once it started to once the leads started to diminish right
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it went away and the national attention and even Statewide attention from the media is the same as that of detectives
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working on these cases at some point a new case File falls on your desk and you you get rushed along to the next
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case right and it's nice that people bring up these old cases and it's wonderful
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when well because when it leads to results well that's because if you can bring more attention to it then that's
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the public pushing the issue onto the law enforcement to say hey you need to do something you need to re-look at this
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and sometimes they'll put extra men on these cases and but in this case I think um
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I don't want to say lucky but I guess I on some level we're lucky that he told somebody uh meaning his girlfriend
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Brooke he's told other people he's told multiple people now he might not have said Tara's name to everybody that I'm
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talking about Bo with Bo confessing to his girlfriend Brooke we're lucky that out of all the people he confessed to
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she was the only one to contact law enforcement and I think you know and then obviously
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the the issue then becomes you know whether they're in a relationship or not uh people are going to throw her under
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the bus for coming forward yeah which is I think a strange thing to do she at the end of the day whether you
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like the way that it went down or how it took place at the end of the day she came forward
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and she provided information to law enforcement that they perceivably did not have right and now there's a lot of
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debate about that I mean there's a lot of debate on why there was a gag order there's a lot of speculation that both
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Ryan and Beau were on their Radars way back in 2005. so um you know are the is law enforcement
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trying to cover their ass on something on this case I'm not really for sure did you have you put thought to what you
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think actually went down on the night of October 22nd 2005 and if so do you you want to share your thoughts and opinions
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with us uh I think five days ago I I had a better idea of what I thought happened and then
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The more I've you know this case just kind of every turn was a new video or a new uh podcast or a new
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Theory you know I mean there's or a new interview to listen to and that really just kind of muddied the
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water as far as you know what I think um I I agree with Payne Lindsay on the idea that this Ryan
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Ryan Dukes right Ryan Duke sorry I've been screwing it up all week and so might as well
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screw it up on the show he's it I don't know if he is um looks the way he does and Carries
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himself the way he does because of the drug and alcohol or if it's what pain Lindsay said and you heard it in the
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trailer feels like he's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders and to me
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that doesn't necessarily mean that he did it solely by himself but um but I I don't know I mean I I think the
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more because his demeanor to me I'm not saying innocent at all it it seems humble and it seems remorseful
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that's that's the vibe I get when I look at him and when I see somebody like Bo I
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I see more of a confident almost cocky individual and and so the way the story kind of the way
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the confession happens it seems almost like they should switch roles in the story
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because does that make any sense well I think you're you're just picking up what
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a lot of other people are putting out there that right that Bo Dukes seems to be this diabolical evil guy and that
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that Ryan Duke was just along for the ride and he's somehow even though he played a part in this
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on some level and then this is going to be terrible to say but it might be some kind of victim of Bo Dukes as well well
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yeah well let's not call him a victim because at the end of the day either one of these guys you know one of them
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or either both of them killed this poor lady and then but but both of them based off
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of Bo's confession both of them burned her body both of them covered this up but what do you think what do you think
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happened that night or over the course of the the few days after her disappearance well I think they're both
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pieces of [ __ ] no sorry I just wanted to put that out there I I don't know it that that's it's
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very this case is very confusing to me right now and I wish I had a better answer but what I'm
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afraid of and what my gut keeps telling me is um right when Ryan you know pled not guilty that you know
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we don't know if her remains were found so that becomes a big obstacle for the prosecution but now we have this guy
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that has a confession that's 11 years old and his story one is not that straight and the person he told it to
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her story is not that straight either now I think Beau is just probably a liar and
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that's why his story is not straight his girlfriend's story is not straight because I I think she's in a difficult
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position I don't think I think she showed some moral compass by coming forward and can you know at least
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giving Bo's confession but what I'm afraid of is that it's going to be a he said he said back and
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forth pointing the blame and that they eliminate each other and that they're not able to
00:34:54
determine with any actual evidence who did what and if that happens it'd be sad to see these two guys walk away from
00:35:06
this and not and no justice being served well I certainly share some some of those feelings captain and what
00:35:14
I mean by that is there are a lot of things that I'm afraid that will possibly happen in this case
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and what I mean by that is my first thought is Ryan Duke I think Ryan Duke is the key to actually figuring out what
00:35:29
really happened that night and what really happened to Tara and what I'm afraid of is I see this guy that is in I
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mean you want to talk about just visually somebody that look I don't need to be a doctor to visually go that guy
00:35:43
is not healthy you don't need to be a doctor but good thing you are one what I that my fear is that if something
00:35:51
doesn't change in his life and maybe it will because he's Behind Bars and he can't get access to drugs and alcohol
00:35:58
right my fear is that he does not live long enough to see this thing through to trial and if that happens my biggest
00:36:08
fear is that one that never have anything on Beau Dukes right and that we again the same outcome that you just
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presented that there would be no justice that nobody is held accountable for what
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happened to Tara well but that's the speculation on why the gbi then hit him charges with perjury saying that you
00:36:26
know his yeah he confessed but we now know that he lied about certain things and that by adding those charges that
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even if they don't get him on anything else they can get him on that now that we discussed our fears you know
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me I I do like to throw out there what I think happened and I think personally I
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think there's one of two things that happened in this I think either a it went down exactly how Bo Dukes says that
00:36:51
it went down or B that the two of them were involved in this together and I know there's a
00:36:58
lot of speculation out there about did the police know something did they cover it up did they not get involved or did
00:37:05
they know the names of Bo dukes and Ryan Duke ahead of time personally I think and I have nothing to base this off of
00:37:12
this is pure speculation so if you want to shut me off shut me off but this is going to be something it's gonna be some
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good stuff I I I think that there is it's very likely that the police the gbi searched
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the pecan farm at some point well before they even had Ryan duke or Bo Dukes on their radar I think that we have
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information that came out that if true Beau Dukes told several people about what what happened according to him and
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that even Ryan Duke told a person or two of what happened and probably this would
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be according to Ryan right so what I mean by this is could the pecan Farm have been on their radar but not these
00:37:55
two individuals I think that's very likely I think somebody at some point could have contacted gbi or the
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sheriff's department said look I keep hearing this rumor time and time again that she's in the pecan Farm
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and they could have gone there looking for her without any information about these two individuals now I did the
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exact same thing that what a lot of people did in the public after these two arrests were made
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where we see Ryan Duke and then we have Bo Dukes come out and then we hear the stories and the speculation and the
00:38:32
majority of the people said this Bo Duke seems like a really bad guy and I don't
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trust him and I think that he's done more than what he's willing to tell us and Ryan Duke seems like some kind of
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weak man to me right like the follower he's the follower and so therefore there now there's this whole movement to
00:38:53
crucify Bo Dukes I did the same thing that's where my gut took me that's immediately as like this
00:39:00
Bo Dukes guy he's I I got it in for him the problem with this is stinky the problem with this is the evidence that
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it has been made public that we've been told that's been released through newspaper articles and
00:39:15
through the media if in fact Beau Dukes is telling the truth the evidence backs that up with
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the exception of the car seat being moved and what I mean by that is the general here's the general broad
00:39:31
confession as I know it and I know that there you and I have had this debate that because there seemed to be several
00:39:38
ideas of what this confession is but his confession as I know it to be is that he they had friends over that night
00:39:47
they were living together and they lived with Ryan's brother they had friends over that night they're
00:39:53
drinking they're partying apparently Ryan's brother was not home that night Ryan at some point leaves taking Beau
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Duke's truck the next morning after Bo Dukes goes to bed he wakes up he's being told by Ryan
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guess what I went to Tara's house last night I abducted her well he says he's burglarizing the home she wakes up it
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startles him and he he reacts by killing her he then would he killed her in the bedroom
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and he used the sheets to wrap her up threw her in Bo's truck and then disposed of the body in the pecan Farm
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the reason why I mean evidence points to that is evidence certainly points to that there was some kind of struggle
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inside the bedroom and remember the family's initial theory that she was getting ready for bed and somebody
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knocked on the door and she had answered the door and then she's abducted right there's no sign of a struggle anywhere
00:40:54
else in that home to our knowledge other than that bedroom so that to me does back up what Bo is saying that that Ryan
00:41:02
Jimmy the lock and got into the home and she does not wake up until the attack starts happening right
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also if he wrapped her up in sheets to remove the body that's interesting too because then we have Anita later saying
00:41:18
that it appears that somebody attempted to make the bed and it didn't look to be
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made in the fashion that her sister would have made the bed right you know because you wonder well why would
00:41:28
somebody bother to take the time to make the bed it kind of backs up a story a little bit
00:41:34
the thing that's the thing that's tricky here for me though Captain is I keep going back to that the driver's seat of
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Tara's car and I think that the private investigator hired by the family when he
00:41:47
came out and said right away look this is a giant red flag he's absolutely right this guy's great it's a giant red
00:41:54
flag it means something can we figure out what it it's a car seat can we figure out what it
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means it could in fact mean nothing but if that car was in its traditional spot in
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its traditional positioning at 11 o'clock that night and then it's found in a different position on Sunday
00:42:14
that tells me one thing here here's where I think that some of the the loosey-goosey evidence that we would be
00:42:22
talking about had her deceased body have been in her vehicle I think they would have found
00:42:29
some evidence to point towards that what I mean by this is there again that backs up Bo's statement that her body
00:42:37
was in his truck what I'm getting at though is with this vehicle is that if that vehicle was moved for any purpose
00:42:45
and her body was not transported in that vehicle that points to me that there were two people there that night that
00:42:51
went to her home and when she left that home whoever took her there was the two people left together meaning one took
00:42:58
the vehicle that transported her body the other moved the car I think that what had happened and you
00:43:04
and I talked about this yesterday in the garage and I thought it was an interesting conversation that we had
00:43:10
even though be it brief was my general thought is this that the car was moved at some point after Tara came home that
00:43:18
night and if it was that means two people did it and I think the general thought was this
00:43:23
let's get rid of her let's get rid of the car maybe we put her in the car wait maybe we make it look like there was a
00:43:29
car accident or maybe we take this car out in the middle of nowhere and we set the whole thing Ablaze with her in it
00:43:34
right I think where when they got to wherever they were going all of a sudden they got smart and they thought you know
00:43:42
what this car is now a problem we might be able to conceal her body right with within with more ease than getting rid
00:43:50
of this car so now we've got to bring the car back and when they brought the car back they failed to put the car seat
00:43:58
back in its original position I worry captain that Ryan Duke will not be around or that he's done too much
00:44:06
damage to himself in his brain where he doesn't know the truth I think he's got a smooshy squishy brain from years of
00:44:14
substance abuse and maybe he doesn't even know what happened at this point but I I'm hoping
00:44:20
I'm hoping and I pray that whatever did happen that we get the truth and that the right Justice is brought forward for
00:44:28
Tara and her family and the so like I said I don't really know and like I I brought up my fear of
00:44:36
what could happen my other fear is that there's something more to do with this suicide note and
00:44:43
these individuals that were on that note I don't actually believe they're cleared
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so I'm not not really for sure how you you got that and I know that um at least through the podcast up and
00:44:55
vanished they connected some dots between some photographs and this um suicide note
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and I and I I believe that these individuals uh they had fights with people they did
00:45:10
a lot of bad stuff and all this stuff kind of was covered up uh because they would cover for each other and I I
00:45:18
just wonder if there's something bigger that happened here where it wasn't just one
00:45:24
individual or or two individuals if it was a situation where it was yes maybe Ryan and Beau
00:45:31
went to get her but that this was a larger thing because you know this kid committed suicide and
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then says Hey here here's a list of people that will lead you to to everything I mean I I would
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and that's that's just my gut feeling I think we're gonna I think there's gonna be a lot of stuff that comes out in this
00:45:52
trial that we're not ready to hear and I and I think it might have something to do with that suicide note because
00:46:00
he could have just committed suicide and left two names on it but he didn't he he left a whole group
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of people until next week everybody be good be kind and don't let him thank you [Music]
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