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crime longtime listeners of this fine program will know that one of the tactics I
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would certainly use in any of these investigations is what I like to call the old pervert Roundup and that is
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exactly what law enforcement did investigators Tracked Down approximately 10 registered sex offenders living in
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Evansdale and all were cleared by police but according to CNN there were 200 registered sex offenders in a 10mile
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radius this scary stuff yeah the town of water has wait did you make sure that there wasn't a prison I I did the town
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of waterl has one registered sex offender for every 236 residents for comparison purposes
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Evansdale has a registered sex offender for every 484 residents overall the DCI says it
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looked into over 300 sex offenders to date throughout the investigation investigators had a hard time figuring
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out exactly how the girls were abducted where the bikes were left was quite far from their house and was not in an area
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cars could travel on further the girl sense had seemed to lead into the woods how had a predator or Predators managed
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to get control of two girls silently and sight unseen in broad daylight yeah but
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we we've talked about this many times normally I'm going to guess that it's by threat of violence I show you a gun I
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show you a knife you're a little kid it's not going to be that hard for me to you know most little kids are not
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going to think hey I could take off running right now or maybe I can scream or I could do something you're going to
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see that gun and once that threat is made now that perpetrator's in control yeah and what you have to wonder about
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too is do you take that a step further and say were they lured to a vehicle perhaps by someone they knew and trusted
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and there was no reason for them to scream or run away right I think that's your second option the other thought too
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had they been grabbed from another location perhaps a long Road alongside a road which would make sense and then the
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bike's left by their abductor on the trail and the dogs are just mistaken or confused well and we talked about this a
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little off the Record was the idea that what if the perpetrator had a truck or had uh a truck with maybe a cap on it
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where he got the girls got control of the girls they're now in his vehicle he has the their bikes but now he's afraid
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that once he takes off off that maybe somebody sees the bikes in the back of his truck here's the other thing to
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consider as well staying along the idea that it was a stranger abduction could we have a situation
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where they were somewhat targeted meaning had someone been watching the two girls as we said this bike ride was
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pretty routine they were out riding together often and I would imagine it would be roughly about the same time of
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day mhm so did somebody put together a you know a carefully and attack a snatch and grab of these two girls especially
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if they were following them and then followed them all the way to the lake that might have presented the
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opportunity the perpetrator was looking for mhm there were a rash of child abduction attempts throughout Iowa in
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2012 the following reports appeared in various media Publications and I'll kind of go through these one at a time
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captain and you just kind of jump in where you see fit May 19th 2012 authorities say they were
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looking for a man suspected in the attempted abduction of three girls on the west side of Perry Iowa Perry police
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say the man stopped his car about 8:00 p.m. Friday and asked the girls ages 8 and nine for directions to a convenience
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store he then tried to get the girls into the car asking for them to show him the way show him the directions police
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say the girls ran to a neighbor's house thankfully on June 6th of that same year
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Metro Police are teaming up with following a string of attempted child abductions in the De Moine Iowa area
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note this is like 125 miles away from Evansdale but I I I want to go through some of these as we as we can here the
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most recent of these attempts happened in Pleasant Hill on May 23rd of that year police say a man in a SUV tried to
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lure a young girl into his vehicle in the same article they're talking about walki police were investigating an
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incident that happened around the same date there were two girls they say they were followed by an SUV in June parents
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in for City Iowa were notified of two abduction attempts in one of them the driver of a tan panel work style van
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stopped three children on bicycle on North 8th Street and told them he was going to get them the children ran away
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and the driver drove off it seems like we need another stranger danger campaign through this country I mean with all
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these creeps and all these pieces of [ __ ] to teach these kids one stay away run away run to the nearest house yell
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for help well what I always find interesting in these situations is when you do have some a child or children who
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actually go go missing and then the thought is abduction you'll see these little stories in the newspapers in the
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local newsp papers and they are just that they are little tiny stories because they don't know much about the
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offender they don't really fully know what the offender was attempting to do the actual crimes they were attempting
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to carry out but it's scary stuff and they're really just delivering a little short warning to the community and to
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the parents in the area what happened once you have a child who actually goes missing these stories all start to cycle
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back through the news because now you have people making connections and you're going all right there's a shark
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in the water and he's over here swimming around in this area and look try to get
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somebody here and try to get somebody there uh in the same article Captain they are going all the way back to March
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of that year where they say the police department investigated a possible attempt to abduct a 10-year-old boy
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the boy who was in front of his home said he was approached by an Asian male approximately 50 years old with a thin
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face the suspect was driving an older gray van possibly with Iowa license plates the man reportedly tried to lure
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the boy into his van after asking for directions to a church whether these attempts could have been the same person
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who took Elizabeth and laric is almost certainly something that police in Evansdale would have been considering at
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the time on the 4mon anniversary of The Disappearance a letter appeared in the newspaper and it read to whom it may
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concern we would use your name but we don't know who you are or maybe we do maybe you are someone who knows the
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girls maybe you're someone who just acted upon impulse maybe you had planned to take them we don't know because we
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don't know who you are but we can sort of imagine that you must not have had the things you needed to grow up feeling
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safe and loved because only someone who hurts inside would hurt another person in their family we've all heard the
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saying hurt people hurt people we believe this to be true we are so sorry for what happened to you when you were
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growing up certainly all children do not receive all the love and care they deserve some are even abused by those
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who are supposed to have taken care of them when that happens it is very wrong taking the girls from us has caused much
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pain pain for them pain for us and our families since the time you took them maybe you've wondered more than a few
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times how you could ever make it right right how to be a hero not a monster things probably look pretty hopeless for
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a good outcome we want you to know that we are praying for you to do the right thing by
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releasing the girls everyone wins even you the person who took them imagine how it will feel to have everyone remember
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that you were the one person in all the missing children cases the one person person who cared enough to let the girls
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go you will not be remembered as the one who took the girls but as the one who let them come home our lives have not
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been the same since July 13th please let our girls come home to us do the right thing be a hero sincerely and it's
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signed by both of the families well and then we're going to learn that that's not an option anymore to return the
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girls because the girls would be found yeah yeah this takes place on December 5th of that same year
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2012 the family they get the phone call that they were really hoping not to get the family was told that two bodies had
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been found and at that time they believed them to be the girls three Hunters found two small corpses in Seven
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Bridges Wildlife Park in Brimmer County north of Evansdale this was a totally offthe
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grid 166 acre Wildlife Area about 22 M from Myers Lake 22 mi from where the bikes were found mhm the area was not
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one that someone would just stumble upon it was frequented mostly by hunters ATV
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riders fishermen you know outdoor people yeah this wasn't uh the type of Park that you would just take your kids for a
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hike this was like you said more for hunters and fishermen ATV riders and to kind of clue everybody in that's not
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from that area when I see these types of statements it really it really puts it into perspective for me what kind of
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place what kind of area we're talking about this is also an area where people would drive and dump appliances you know
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how you see things that that are just dumped that are unwant wanted that they have no other idea of how to get rid of
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them right they just dump these appliances out in the middle of nowhere so and this is also a place that pretty
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much only the locals know about you wouldn't know about it if you weren't from the area I mean you could find it
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on a map but as said it's it's very much like you just described it's only going
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to be frequented by people that are specifically intending to go to that area for the purpose of hunting or
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fishing now some locals used to use the area as a party spot so if you were local you were aware uh particularly
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high school kids you know kids out looking for a place to drink some beers the bodies were found by hunters making
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their way through the brush near a river the hunters nearly stepped on one of the
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corpses the two corpses were lying about 20 yards apart from one another Blackhawk County Sheriff Tony Thompson
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said even the hunters you know in describing this area he says even these Hunters if they had just gone 5T in
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either direction they would have never have found those bodies mhm the area where
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the bodies lay was accessible only by one road this is 270th Street this road had a dirt road off of it that went a
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short distance to a dirt parking area and a turnout near the riverbank the bodies were found about 150 ft from this
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turnout in the woods the whole place is incredibly desolate the kind of place where you could go and know that that
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you're not going to see any other human beings the Iowa State medical examiner office confirmed after autopsies that
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the remains were in fact that of L and Elizabeth the medical examiner was able to determine a cause of death but this
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has never been released by law enforcement law enforcement made statements to the effect that details
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surrounding the cause of death would be known only to the Killer and Evansdale police Chief Kent smok said
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investigators had an idea of how much time passed between the girl's disappearance and when they were killed
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however he would not release that detail to the public investigators have also never addressed whether they have
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suspect DNA in this case although given that the bodies were exposed to the elements for what could be close to 5
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months DNA recovery could be difficult Drew cins has stated that he was never informed whether DNA of anyone other
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than the girls was found in the family chose not to learn how the girls were killed well I think the important
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information that they're putting out there is we know roughly when they were abducted and we roughly know when they
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were killed yes yes very much so and then one of the more famous leads in this case Captain this comes about on
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July 24 2013 and there's some different parts to this lead um I actually think they had a good amount of this
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information in advance but this is when we become aware of it this is almost a year to the date of when the two girls
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were abducted the authorities announced that they received information from three Witnesses who saw a vehicle that
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could be important to the case all three Witnesses reported seeing a large and clunky white SUV an older model likely a
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Chevy Suburban or Ford Bronco parked on arbitus Avenue on Friday July 13th arbitus Avenue is crossed by the
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Evansdale nature trail and is the road that is closest to the part of the trail where the girls bikes were found two of
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these Witnesses said that they saw the white SUV parked between two bike trail signs
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and the other witness told police they saw the vehicle parked near the woods on the east side of the lake a few hundred
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fet from where the girls bikes were found right but that that would be where the scent dogs took investigators yeah
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roughly the same area what made these witness statements so intriguing was that all three Witnesses said they seen
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the SUV sometime between 11:30 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. on the day the girls went missing and if you recall the cyclist my
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boy Ted G told police he had seen the bikes on the trail sometime between sometime around
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12:20 so this whole time period is all really fitting together two of the witnesses made their statements as part
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of the original police canvasing the third came forward months later having assumed that someone had already
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reported it this third report caused police to go back can reexamine the other two statements about the SUV and
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decide that it was likely very important to the case but it's unknown whether the
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public release of this information regarding the white SUV dredged up any further helpful
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tips in 2013 the year after LC and Elizabeth were murdered Iowa investigators were alerted
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to another double Abduction of two girls on May 20th 12-year-old Desiree Hughes and her 15-year-old friend Kathleen
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Shepard were abducted while walking home from school this is around 400 p.m. in the afternoon in Dayton Iowa they got
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into a vehicle with a man who offered to pay them to mow Lawns but he just keeps
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driving with them and eventually taking control of the two girls by waving a gun
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while in the vehicle this item was actually described as a gun to be a gun but later we would
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learn that this instrument was actually used to euthanize livestock MH their abductor Michael kunder drove around for
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about 90 minutes and then took the two to a hog processing facility where he worked at the time he zip tied their
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hands he then left one of the girls in his truck and he dragged the other girl off
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into places unknown right the girl in the truck she bravely escaped the vehicle and hit out in the woods before
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approaching a nearby home and then asking them to call for help around 8:00 p.m. police located cunder truck at a
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nearby property where they found that kunder had hung himself yeah I believe that he wasn't that far
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from his truck and I think at some point he came back to check on the other girl
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and she was gone and that's when he knew oh game's up you know I got to do whatever I'm going to do plus I got to
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take my own life yeah Desiree was the girl who bravely escaped and unfortunately when police when they find
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kunder who had hung himself Kathleen Shephard is nowhere to be seen no there was a significant amount of
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blood which they believe to be hers that was found on his truck her body was found uh sometime later by fishermen
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about 15 to 20 miles down the de MO River she had been stabbed and beaten to death by a sharp instrument Michael
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kunder who was a 6t 6 in tall 42-year-old farmand he had already D time in prison from 1992 to
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2011 this was half of the sentence that he received for the 1991 kidnapping and assault of a young woman he grabbed her
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hit her and pulled her into his car in an unrelated case kunder abducted two three-year-old twin girls this is like
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the strange one of the strangest stories I've ever heard who were later found in
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a trash receptacle these were the daughters they were alive thank God these were the daughters of a
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female acquaintance cunder said he was angry with one of the little girls so he kidnapped them drove 50 miles with them
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in his trunk MH and then left them in the garbage one of the girls did show signs of possibly have been choked
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kunder completed a sex offender treatment program in prison and registered as a sex offender upon his
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release yeah but you shouldn't be serving half your sentence you it should always be a little more than that or
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let's make the sentences a little bit longer if you're only going to have to serve half of them yeah there should be
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like no good behavior for this man yeah I mean this show nothing but bad behavior this guy gets out a year before
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this and he starts committing crimes like this this is a monster this a very dangerous individual and police and
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Evansdale and Dayton Iowa thought that theunder c could be connected because of obviously the similarities between the
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two abductions M two girls taken in daylight from a public place kunder spent some time in Brimmer County where
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Seven Bridges was located in the 90s so he may have been familiar with that Seven Bridges location well look we have
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evidence that this individual likes to drive commit crimes and drive so you know when he takes capture of these two
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girls n 90 minute drive you say and then the other one we have U 50 miles right so
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this is individuals not afraid to commit a crime and then drive to different locations like I said it when we covered
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Ted Bundy you know a long time ago I I reiterated that when we covered Ed keer these serial killer types and we don't
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know if numbers actually would put kunder into the serial killer uh category but it
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seems like he was going that direction he he kidnapped two girls that day we know he's guilty of that he killed one
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of them but these serial killer types their vehicle is one of their weapons and maybe one of their most important
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weapons a lot of these guys do a lot of driving a lot of trolling a lot of hunting I I just think this guy is a
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very good suspect I do too um now they claim that he's not a good suspect anymore yeah and here's the thing when
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you see a suspect that that feels this good feels like a a possible connection I want a little bit more of a
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reason why he's not well and and I know they don't owe me that but I'm I'm selfish well here here here's my problem
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with their findings is is and again we don't we we only know so much we don't even know if there's DNA that they
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matched or didn't match and that's how they ruled him in or out what what the statements they have given to the public
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or what I've heard is if you look at these crimes yes there's a lot of similarities but there's a lot of
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difference and that's why we ruled him out and my argument for that would be he takes one girl away to isolate her he
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comes back this is again what I believe he comes back and finds that the other victim is gone okay now everything has
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to be sped up now did he kill the other girl before this happened or after I'm not for sure but again these things were
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sped up and then he kills himself so I I I don't think you can look at the actual
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murder or the manner in which it was done and compare the two and say it was it similar or different so what you're
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referencing Captain is on May 14th 2014 where DCI said they were and this is this is their words here they were
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pretty confident Michael plunder was no longer a person of interest in the Evansdale case right so here's what
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they're citing in this they said that he did have an alibi for the day that the girls went missing that he was at home
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in Stratford and I don't know how many people are there at this home or what puts him there that they're that they
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sound this confident in this Alibi now one thing we should note though straford is about miles away from
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Evansdale yeah that's not that far though hour and a half not with how much this guy seems to like to drive and then
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as you pointed out they stated there were forensic differences between the two cases that's an interesting choice
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of words because with all the information that they're holding back in the Evansdale case they can't clearly
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come out and tell us exactly what those forensic differences are because that could be showing their hand in the
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Evansdale case so where we don't know if we have DNA suspect DNA in the Evansdale case if
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they do and they compared it to kunder DNA and they don't get a match well that technically would be a forensic
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difference but you don't want to say that out to the public and let them know that you have DNA remember they're
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holding back just as much in this Evansdale case as they are in the deli case and other cases that are similar to
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premium all right we're back this case I mean this you know I've heard of it before but to spin the time and dive
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into it it's it's very complex and and it's very very confusing well and it's one of those cases where we have enough
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information to lead us to more questions and we're sitting here now spinning our
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tires trying to answer some of those questions but it's an intriguing case it's one that I'm very confident that
00:32:44
they're still very active with and we'll get into to some of that as we go and before we leave you today we will give
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you the tip number if anybody should have any information or thoughts that they want to pass along to the proper
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authorities on August 21st 2014 more than 2 years after L and Elizabeth were killed Evansdale police
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held a press conference announcing a new website dedicated to the girl's case and
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I used some of that for my note taking when doing research for this case part of this website Captain discusses the
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likely characteristics of the killer because law enforcement developed a profile of sorts with the help of the
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FBI's behavioral analysis unit who believed that the killer was a single individual stating he was familiar with
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both Myers Lake in Evansdale and Seven Bridges Wildlife Area in brimer County he likely selected Seven Bridges as a
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Dumping Ground because he was familiar with the area and knew it was secluded according to the profile the offender
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blame lanss in with the community at large and may be a resident of Blackhawk or Brimmer counties he likely used quiet
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coercion to subdue the girls and coers them into leaving with him using a ruse or threats of violence like you pointed
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out the cousins were possibly the victims of opportunity seized by someone who had expressed interest in underage
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girls and possibly had attempted abductions in in the past finally the suspect likely altered his appearance
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and or cleaned painted or disposed of his vehicle after the abduction right but this this profile matches kunder
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right they just described Michael cunder yeah so I I I just really am interested
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to know what they had that that that points away from him I agree with you Captain I cannot shake this suspect I
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can't I can't get him off of my list because he just seems too good he seems to fit too well with what we believe
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we're looking for very violent yeah History of Violence also the same victimology that we would see in both
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cases he doesn't mind look a lot of offenders are looking for that opportunity to find a vulnerable a
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person that's in a vulnerable position and alone a lot of offenders will be turned off when they cannot find a
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potential victim by themselves he seems have to to be able to overstep that obstacle we know that for a fact because
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he took two girls who are walking home from school it might be a part of his ML and he used quiet coercion right just
00:35:51
like they described in the profile and that's really what these offenders and these perpetrators want to do when
00:35:57
they're trying to get somebody in their vehicle be it an adult or a child you don't want screaming you don't want a
00:36:05
violent altercation to have to go down because what does that create it creates ear Witnesses and eyewitnesses and
00:36:12
that's bad for your business his business is getting the victim into his vehicle sight
00:36:19
unseen and that can be done by offering to pay them for mowing lawns or as you said waving a gun in the face with
00:36:28
threatening you know with threatening violence toward them we do have some you know just when
00:36:36
this case can't get any more strange we did get two confessions over the years people who alleg that they were
00:36:43
responsible for killing the girls here's what we should start doing from now on if you confess to a crime that you
00:36:50
didn't commit we just put you in jail you get 30 days just for fun no no no you you get whatever that crime
00:36:57
would entail so if if it's murder and you confess to it and we know you're lying you still get 30 years just lock
00:37:04
you up because because it makes zero sense I don't understand well but the problem with that is it often it's
00:37:12
somebody with some pretty severe mental issues okay right right that come forward you could put them in in a
00:37:19
hospital usually these people need some kind of treatment that they're in a bad place and they're confessing to
00:37:25
something that they they weren't even capable of doing and I mean that from on many different levels well and that's
00:37:31
the import these are not bad people they're not evil people they're just they're confused because of of their
00:37:37
illness right but the the that's where law enforcement holding things close to the vest is important because when these
00:37:45
individuals come forward then they they can match certain things up and if your story doesn't line up or or the evidence
00:37:54
doesn't match your story we know that you're you're lying right and unfortunately hundreds of years ago we
00:38:00
would have just hung the person or a lesser Police Department would have went ahead and put this person in jail or
00:38:07
taken them to trial well but some sometimes with these crimes look at like John B Ramsey we've had so many people
00:38:13
come forward and confess well there's so much information out there it's really hard to okay they got this wrong or they
00:38:21
got this wrong well what if they only got a couple things wrong you go well did they just miss remember that or or
00:38:28
are they really not the Killer and this is pretty common especially when you have a case that's
00:38:34
like famous on the state level I mean Amy mahalic that we've covered several times there were multiple people that
00:38:42
confessed to to her murder and we have every reason to believe that none of them actually killed her one of the guys
00:38:48
confessed in the middle of church he got up on a Sunday morning and started marching up and down the the aisles conf
00:38:56
in to the whole congregation that he had killed Amy M now now that's a weird that's a weird Church experience right
00:39:04
there beyond weird right put a few extra bucks in the collection plate for the theatrics for that day now we let's get
00:39:11
into another good suspect now that we're past the two confessions that that don't
00:39:18
go anywhere there's no validity to those conf and and when you go over the suspect it's almost like you're making
00:39:26
this up Jeff altm yeah yeah so in late 2016 Iowa authorities received a report of an
00:39:35
attempted abduction a man pretending to be an undercover police officer MH tried
00:39:41
to lure a young girl into his car this is one of the more bright spots in this whole story and let me go
00:39:50
through this in in good detail here so the girl tells her parents and police uh that okay so she's she's going
00:40:01
through the the neighborhood bag right what's that this [ __ ] bag yes yes so so she tells her parents about this
00:40:09
attempted abduction right her neighbor and some brothers run out and they can still see the guy's vehicle she gave a
00:40:20
description of the vehicle to to her parents and to these these guys yeah he was still in the neighborhood he was
00:40:26
just leaving the neighborhood so they get in a vehicle and they start chasing after him and there's a really good
00:40:33
article about this in the De Moine register that that I recommend but what what it ends up being here Captain is
00:40:40
this pervert was 58-year-old married father of two Jeff altm mhm he was arrested in charge with enticing a minor
00:40:49
and impersonating a public official yeah but what's interesting is he has a a little tiny Ford Focus so they easily
00:40:57
catch up with him right and and then they're yelling at him and then this guy is threatening them saying he's law
00:41:04
enforcement and you better you know leave me alone the the coolest thing of this is and I don't have the guy's name
00:41:12
in front of me but the kind of the leader of the of the group of guys chasing after this man after the Pervert
00:41:19
man in the silver little Ford Focus go [ __ ] M this is a younger dude like he looks to me like he's like 18 or 19
00:41:26
years old and he's not put off by any of the things that this Jeff altm saying to
00:41:32
him because they pull up window to window yeah and he's not like you know pardon me do you have any gray Pon he's
00:41:39
like did you try to kidnap a girl yeah sick [ __ ] and the guy's like he's like no I didn't and I'm an undercover cop
00:41:48
and thinking that that's just going to end this situation yeah to which he then altm says to to this guy that's chasing
00:41:59
him if you don't leave me alone I'm gonna beat you up so he then says okay get out of your
00:42:05
car yeah and alm's like nope I don't I don't want to get out of my car to which he then says again I'm undercover police
00:42:13
trying to scare these guys off the guy says just think if you could get your hands on somebody like that you'd beat
00:42:20
his ass the the guy says to altm he says um that's fine one of my relatives is in law enforcement and they're on
00:42:28
their way and we've called the cops and we're going to we're all going to sit here and in a few minutes we're all
00:42:36
going to find out the truth yeah so what this leads to is Jeff altm obviously being arrested and charged with enticing
00:42:44
a minor impersonating a public official once police had altm in custody they started to connect other abductions
00:42:52
and attempted abductions to him it turned out out that altm had been trying to lure kids into his vehicle for months
00:43:00
if not possibly longer his moce operandi was to entice children by offering them
00:43:08
$100 to get in his van or his vehicle I'm sorry once they did he would molest them or attempt to he eventually
00:43:17
succeeded in sexually abusing at least two girls yeah but what was his job didn't he have a a a job where he
00:43:25
traveled around that's the scary thing he was a traveling he worked as a traveling automobile damage field
00:43:32
inspector which means he spent a lot of time in his vehicle or what might be his
00:43:38
work vehicle which could have been a van driving around this is I it sounds to me
00:43:43
Captain like he drove around in multiple States now I wonder if he's always using
00:43:48
his own vehicle or if there's a company vehicle but what you're saying is that two cars get in an accident the
00:43:55
insurance company is called at some point his job is to go out there and look at the damage go out and assess the
00:44:01
situation make a ruling right but insurance are normally just uh the laws only apply to that state like if you
00:44:10
even if you live on the border you know like that's true so he probably only works in Iowa but he probably works all
00:44:16
over Iowa well but the the information I have says driving around areas of the Midwest which makes me believe it might
00:44:25
be mle States but all in all regardless of where he's driving police were able to link altm to 19 that's one nine one
00:44:35
short of 20 such incidents in nine different counties as stated in the de moin register between May 31st 2016 and
00:44:45
November 16th 2016 altme is suspected of trying to entice at least 19 children he sexually
00:44:53
abused two of them his victims were all girls with the average age we talked about V victimology here with the
00:45:00
average age of 10 but he went after kids as young as six and as old as 13 right and but these are the ones we know of I
00:45:10
mean there could be way more that that we don't know of well there's one possible case that that that was
00:45:19
unsuccessful for altm thank God where he's he's trying to get somebody into the vehicle uh child enticement case from
00:45:27
Cedar Falls which was only about 12 miles from Evansdale MH so if you want to try to link him as close as you can
00:45:35
to our case that's about as close as we can we can place him or suspect him to be a man reportedly approached three
00:45:44
young girls in that situation at a park in Cedar Falls and offered them money to
00:45:49
get into his car he's not been charged in that actual enticement case cuz he can't prove that it was actually him but
00:45:56
they suspect that it is they continue to investigate this guy right what I'm saying is there could be another hundred
00:46:03
cases of this creep yeah one of the things after his arrest that they showed in some of the newspaper coverage of his
00:46:12
arrest was these $100 bills you know he's he's that is his Mo offering children $100 cash MH he they they
00:46:23
showed a picture of like I don't know 20 $100 bills he must have been keeping them on him on him at all times so that
00:46:32
when he saw an opportunity he had the the cash on him to to try to that ruse on these these
00:46:38
poor kids and I'm assuming he's working five days a week but he's so he's traveling 5 days a week and and way
00:46:46
different parts of the state that we we're not aware of you'd have to go back through his the cases that he was
00:46:53
assigned to but also just the rounding areas cuz how how easy would it be for him to say well I got a flat tire or I
00:47:03
actually took the wrong route or I was at the scene longer than I thought I would be and he was actually just
00:47:11
driving around a as a sick predator and I think that people would be quick to point out like look he's he's got all
00:47:18
these other cases and it seems like he's let the kids go all the time we don't know could something else have gone down
00:47:26
something unexpected in knee-jerk reaction he killed one of the two girls and then had to kill the second one M
00:47:33
you know it doesn't it doesn't always have to fit you know there are these one-off cases there are murders that
00:47:41
take place when people are really just trying to cover up other bad behavior and one thing that made him
00:47:47
very interesting to law enforcement and to to me and to us garage guys here as well we touched upon in the first
00:47:56
episode how how rare it is to try to abduct multiple children at a time MH well we
00:48:06
know of several cases where that is in fact what altm was trying to do so again he's already stepped over that obstacle
00:48:17
that potential obstacle in February of 2018 Jeff altm was sentenced to first degree sentence four
00:48:26
first degree kidnapping second degree sexual abuse and two counts of enticing a minor in Jasper County he got life in
00:48:34
prison and his wife of several decades has divorced him since he's gone away to prison well that's what I meant by this
00:48:43
guy to me when I was reading about this case I go this guy seems BTK like guy that was married
00:48:53
kids seems like a normal guy and always thinking and planning these things out in advance yeah or well
00:49:01
actually putting yourself in that position I mean it could have been the reason why he took the job without
00:49:06
getting too much into it because there's a lot lot of little details there but I
00:49:11
want to Circle back to the family we were talking about Dan morresy and his legal troubles and remember he was still
00:49:19
facing a trial at the time that his daughter went missing eventually he ends getting 90 years in prison for his
00:49:28
charges so he's that's where he is to this day and Misty his wife she continued for a a little bit of time to
00:49:37
be in and out of trouble look the the drug angle of the lyric in Elizabeth investigation does
00:49:45
not appear to have led anywhere apparently it's a still a working theory in the case personally I
00:49:54
feel Captain like I have a little bit of an issue with this Theory and part of that being I see the efforts put forward
00:50:01
and how many different agencies were working together on this case I kind of feel like if that were what was going on
00:50:10
here I kind of feel like it would have been solved by now that that would have been an
00:50:16
easy that would have been an easy thing to investigate for them because it's it the circle and the possibilities of
00:50:23
suspects is much smaller than what we are probably facing in my opinion what what appears to me to be more of a
00:50:31
stranger abduction right but does because it's easier to investigate doesn't mean it's easier to prove and
00:50:39
that to bring charges against somebody that you have to be able to prove that they could that they did this now many
00:50:47
people are probably recognizing that this case has a lot of similarities to another case that we've covered on True
00:50:55
Crime garage with numerous episodes and that being the deli double murder case that took place in February
00:51:03
of7 MH it's very difficult to do internet searches and be looking around snooping around on either one of these
00:51:11
cases without bumping into to the other now some of the the possible similarities or things that I believe
00:51:20
seem similar and some of these just seem a little too much to be coincidental but so we have two cases
00:51:32
that involve the abduction and murder of two young girls in Midwest Towns now the
00:51:38
towns are 400 miles apart both cases occurred on or near recreational Trails but also in areas where the girls were
00:51:48
not supposed to be or not known to frequent both cases occurred in the middle of the day in broad daylight both
00:51:57
cases occurred on the 13th of the month Deli was on a Monday and Evansdale was on a Friday the dates are palindromes
00:52:07
too which I never would have picked up on that but my friend Jess pointed that out to me them being the same backwards
00:52:14
and forwards 2 131 17 and 71312 21317 71312 in both cases the bodies were found in remote areas that investigators
00:52:28
believe required someone to be familiar with that part of the area with those specific areas both sets of
00:52:37
investigators stopped short of declaring the offender uh to definitely be a local
00:52:43
in both cases a close family member had ties to the drug world and rumors flew that drug connections were responsible
00:52:52
well in both cases very very small towns very low populations yeah neither case is the cause has the cause and manner of
00:53:04
death of the victims been known to the public nor is it known whether there was sexual assault so we can't really
00:53:11
compare some of the more important aspects of the Killer's Mo in these two cases and of course there are
00:53:18
significant differences between the cases as well we do have Authorities on the record stating that they do not
00:53:27
believe that the two are related yeah I think they're too far apart for one um we also in this case in
00:53:38
the Evansdale case the victims were moved or taken maybe brought to a different location and and then 22 miles
00:53:48
away from where the body from the distance between the bodies and the bikes we don't know if somebody took him
00:53:56
somewhere else before that uh Deli it's really tough because the new research that I've come across and we've
00:54:06
talked about this is there's now a debate if they were murdered in that spot and left in that spot or if those
00:54:13
bodies were moved uh but they weren't moved 22 miles I've heard plenty of law enforcement statements in in regards to
00:54:22
Deli that the two girls were killed where they were found and then when we go and we take a look at the Evansdale
00:54:30
case we really have no clue how many different locations they could have been before they were found at Seven Bridges
00:54:38
and as you pointed out how long they may have been kept by whoever took them we do have some thoughts by the
00:54:48
family members now keep in mind the family has chosen not to know how the girls were killed
00:54:55
but we have at least one family member who is on record saying it's of their belief that the girls were alive when
00:55:04
they were when they were brought to Seven Bridges and then killed in that location I don't think that there's a
00:55:12
lot that they're basing this off of other than them knowing the area having been to the area and really just their
00:55:19
suspicions my guess would be that it's it's an area that's not easily traveled on foot
00:55:25
from where you would have to leave a vehicle thus just making it difficult to transport one body let alone two bodies
00:55:34
in 2017 authorities had interviewed over 1,000 people in lric and Elizabeth's case nonetheless the murders remain
00:55:44
unsolved the deaths of the girls rre havoc on their families and people in Evansdale say the town has never been
00:55:52
the same Drew Collins said in an interview that the deaths of the girls devastated the town Drew continues to
00:56:01
assist in cases of missing children even having reached out to Mike and Becky Patty in the deli case to let them know
00:56:10
he was there if they needed anything also similar to Deli Evansdale has turned a small island at Myers Lake into
00:56:19
a dedicated memorial called Angels Park Memorial Island if features memorials to
00:56:26
the girls and other female victims of violence in Iowa as well as gazebos Memorial brick walkways murals and
00:56:34
decorative Landscaping this was an expansion of the 2013 announcement that the trail and
00:56:41
park at Meers Lake would be renamed to honor the memory of LC and Elizabeth the trail that runs around the lake is now
00:56:50
known locally as the trail of angels there is a substantial reward for information leading to a conviction in
00:57:01
this case and tips can be submitted by calling 85530 tips that's 1855 38477 on the 7th anniversary of the
00:57:15
girls abduction authorities reminded us that there are still several agencies that are actively working this case the
00:57:23
Evansdale police Department the Blackhawk County and Brimmer County Sheriff's offices and the FBI saying
00:57:30
they get together regularly to review information and evidence and evaluate new information Drew Collins tells
00:57:38
interviewers that he remains confident that the investigators are working hard on his daughter's case and that
00:57:44
eventually they will catch the guy who did it let's hope he is [Music] right oh hey I want to thank everybody for
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