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[music] [music] Sriracha. [music] What a great name for a sauce. Sriracha. >> That was the I don't remember what year,
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but it was Bonapetit's number one condiment. Bonapati >> per like >> Sriracha. >> I don't know. Maybe they they pulled
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like a a hundred chefs or something like that, but or restaurants. >> Mhm. >> I don't know. But it was it was
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interesting to see that that was the number one condiment one year because so many people were cooking with it in all
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kinds of different ways. >> I heard it's good on eggs. >> Well, I mean, it really just depends on
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how much you like Sriracha. I mean [laughter] because I've seen people put it on just
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about anything and I know I went through a little phase Sriracha phase where I was quite addicted to it and it went on
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it started replacing all hot sauces for me for a long time and then it then I was putting it on like you said eggs it
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was going on breakfast foods lunch dinner it didn't take much to >> Sriracha >> you know what I used to love to do
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>> say Sriracha >> no I take one part Sriracha, one part ketchup. Mix them together and then I
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used to put that on my meatloaf. >> That was my >> Sriracha meatloaf. >> That was my That was my meatloaf
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condiment. >> Um, so William Terrell Terrell, how were we saying that back then? Do you know
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William Terrell? Let's go with that. >> Terrell. >> So he is the little missing boy in
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Australia. He disappeared without a trace in 2014. Anybody that's been listening to the
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show for a long time will know he's the cute little boy that was in the Spider-Man outfit there, like Spider-Man
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pajamas. And sadly, that picture is was literally taken minutes before he disappeared. He's he's out playing on
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the patio or back deck area at his grandmother's home. Now, it is his foster grandmother's house.
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>> Yeah, this is the one in New South Wales. So the the family, the foster parents, husband and wife, they went
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there to visit the wife's mother because she is um getting up there in years and
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she wanted to sell her place. Now, she had a fantastic home, beautiful home in a in a highly desired area,
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>> and I guess the either both of the foster parents or at least one of them was quite involved in real estate uh for
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their career. And so, the idea is let's go out. This is a good excuse to visit grandma. Let uh let the kids play out in
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her big yard and have a good time at her house. Visit with grandom. and also let's give her some education on what to
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expect when selling her house, where she should go after that. It's given her some uh you know, real estate knowledge
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on that end. Unfortunately, the boy who was just I guess he was three at the time.
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>> Yeah, he was three years old. >> Disappears. And we covered we covered it in two episodes and they're now there's
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people now calling William Terrell's case like the >> September 12th. So >> the Maline McCann case of Australia
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>> and you said oh he disappeared on September 12th 2014. So we're actually coming up on the 5year
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>> anniversary sad anniversary. But there is some action in the investigation. Um, which I've been I've been following
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in the news best I can. And it's it's interesting because I feel like there's little tidbit bits of nuggets of
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knowledge that are coming out, but there's also some things in there that I feel like I'm I have to read between the
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lines a little bit and kind of come up with my own conclusions. So, so some of what I have in my notes here, just to
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just a little buyer beware so we all know some of these things in my notes are of my own conclusion, my own
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speculation here. But when we reported on this, there was a task force, a uh that was put together to review this
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case, to really not just review the case, but to lead the charge and lead the investigation all the way and see it
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through. because this was one of those weird cases where you have a small child who disappears and then it very quickly
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becomes a very big large investigation and part of that is because of the area where he went missing. It's very hard to
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search. Uh there's a lot of land to cover there and then on top of that we have a few different suspicions going
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on. We have the foster parents who came under suspicion. We have the birth parents who came under suspicion and
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then we also have some type of kidnapping or maybe even possibly a pedophile ring. There were some strange
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vehicles that were seen in the neighborhood that day before the boy went missing and this was reported by a
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few different people. um what has taken place in the last 6 months or so of this
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investigation. Really, they've been following a lot of things for years and really been working this
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case pretty hard for many years. The problem is the case seems to have gone cold and now that it has gone cold, we
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have the task force that is saying, "All right, we're we are going to transfer this case to another agency." Basically,
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I'm going to give you the kind of the nuts and bolts of this thing rather than the whole whole rundown. So, what
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they're doing now is like a coroner's in inquest. So, the the task force, while they will provide answers and provide
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backing and help to the coroner's inquest, it's now this different investigation that has basically taken
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over. And from the way that I understand this whole thing to be working, it seems
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to be similar in a sense to not 100% like a grand jury here, but somewhere along the lines of that, what
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I mean by that is what they have the ability to do in these procedures is to force someone to come forward and do an
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interview and be be interviewed and subjected to a certain line of questioning and then all that those that
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questioning goes on the record. So, it's if you change your story later, we will
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know and and we're going to follow up on your statements that go on the record, you know, and and you can see how that
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that could carry out. What's been interesting is I think this started in March of just this year and then they
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took a break for a while and then they recommenced in August, just last month. So, what it seems to me like what has
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been going on with this case so far is they've they've really interviewed really well both the the birth parents
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and the foster parents. And they're also somewhat releasing details that that I don't know that we
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had access to before. And it's just small little nuggets of stuff, but it but they're interesting
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ones, you know. So they interviewed the grandmother who was hosting them at the time of his disappearance.
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>> Yeah. >> And she's now 85. And look, when when this case really first took off, they were really
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focusing on the idea that the boy may have got lost because there was certainly room and there's forest and
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there's woods and there's all kinds of things. The boy could have simply got lost.
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That to me at the time seemed like maybe one of the bigger suspicions in the case. It sounds like after years of
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investigation and now that we have this different type of inquest going on, it sounds to me like the investigation
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angle now is that the boy was taken, that they think that he was abducted. And they've interviewed the the foster
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parents and the the birth parents quite extensively, I believe. And it seems like those two
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sets of couples are no longer so much so in, you know, under suspicion at this point. It what what has come out is
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there's been detailed information about the foster fathers movements that day that that is really minute-by-minute
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stuff. as far and on top of that, we have neighbors who have been interviewed by this inquest that were saying
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the parents, the foster parents, once they knew the boy was missing, they all appeared to be doing exactly what you
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would think they would should be doing, >> right? what what what you would anticipate a frightened parent, a scared
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parent doing in a situation where their child is missing. And they even had, you
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know, neighbors coming forward and coming out saying the the the foster father seemed to
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be in hysterics of of I mean, just like looking everywhere you could possibly think of for this little boy. And and
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then on top of that, you have um you know, they they released a statement by the grandmother
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from her interviews where they you know, she's asked could anybody have taken the
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boy for any reason at all. And she said something like she was suspicious of one
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of her neighbors. And now this is this is not an individual that has come under any suspicion at all, but she was
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suspicious of of this neighbor at the time because they kept an odd schedule and they lived alone for a very long
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period of time and likely somebody that's just may just be a misunderstood individual. But I'm really curious to
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see where this is going to lead. I'm actually I've been I've been following this
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because I think they're making some headway in in a weird way. And now, mind you, this could be all stuff that they
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already knew behind the scenes with the first set of investigators with the with
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the first task force, >> right? >> And and now it's just coming to light. But for me anyway, as somebody that that
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that looked at the case for weeks and for you, Captain, what it what it's done for me is that I'm a little more it's
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added clarity to a situation where before I thought that there were several different possible outcomes
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to where now I I feel like the the inquest in my mind's eye are kind of sharing the
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same viewpoint where it it feels more now like that is the proper for route of investigation that the boy may have been
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abducted. And what does that what does that mean? You know what I mean? We we know that we talked about suspicious
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cars and weird cars in the area at the time. Or was it something just as simple as somebody as uh somebody that's very
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local that that was involved? But I I think it's a little bit telling in the sense that
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I think if there were strong suspicions by law enforcement of the foster parents
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or of the birth parents because remember one of the thoughts was the birth parents didn't want to give up their
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boy. He was he was basically plucked away from them and and and after reviewing their situation rightfully so,
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but he's plucked away from them. And the idea was at first, did the the birth parents, did they go and take their boy
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back, >> right? >> Did they go and take their boy back? Now, remember, their home was searched
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uh very quickly after the boy disappeared and they were also hours away uh drive time anyway.
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So again though for me where where the suspicion of could the boy have been lost? Was he abducted? Was this
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something that was done by either set of parents or was the grandmother covering up for
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the foster mom? Anything like that. I mean I still have little suspicions but now that I see that the direction that
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this thing has taken I I almost feel like that that seems to be there must be something there. Not so much so that
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they have proof that the boy was abducted. I think what they probably very likely
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have is zero proof that the other outcomes took place. >> Well, and now you're also having the
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initial investigator. He's coming out saying that he has his thoughts and as they're going through this process, he's
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going to try to respect this process so they can get more information. Um but it
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looks like um you know he really views his in his in inability to solve this case as a
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personal failure. Um he retired from the police force last month after he was charged with
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illegally recording four conversations during the investigation. So, >> but he's not stating that he has like
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he's not stating like we can't solve this because so and so is is stopping us. So and so is is is really putting a
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halt to our investigation. >> Yeah. I'm trying to find out the the actual link to this. It was written by Ben
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Graham and you can find him at Ben Graham It's >> well and the Australian Associated
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Press, which obviously goes out to multiple publications and uh you know, newspapers, online articles, and so on
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and so forth. They're they're a good one to to Google when you're when you want to look for these updates because you're
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going to kind of find everything. Yeah. Um, >> basically he's saying that he has an
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idea of who he thinks is responsible, >> but but again that's the same idea of abduction,
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>> right? Yes. Yes. So, like you said, I think the important thing about >> the progress that we're making
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>> is you're taking off certain rabbit holes that you don't need to jump down anymore because they're saying we're
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we're funneling this. So, we've kind of talked about that before. your case becomes you just keep you have all this
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speculation, you have this evidence and you start funneling it and then eventually the the picture will become
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more clear and as we were able to put blinders on and focus more in depth on on what really happened.
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>> Well, and that's why that's why I say I feel this move is a big positive for this
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case. Look, it's not going to be the outcome that we want. This is not the outcome that anybody wants, but at least
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maybe it can get solved. Maybe we get the answers of what actually happened, where the boy is, and who is responsible
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for what took place. So, it you know, and and you and I have said this on mic, off mic a hundred times. If you can't if
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you can't look at a picture and go, "This is what happened. Now, now how do we make an arrest? How do we get this
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straightened out? Then you go, okay, you have 10 different possibilities. In this
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case, probably more like five or six that were really more prominent than the others. And you say, okay, if we can't
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if we can't draw a circle around what happened, maybe we can put X's over top of what didn't happen and through the
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process of elimination lead us to to what what we should be really pursuing. >> [music]
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