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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] sasan all right so we talked at some point we were talking on
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the show of diving into some big cases MH but instead of diving into the whole case just to touch on a point of the
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case take one little corner one little piece one little aspect and just talk about it little nugget gotcha a little
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nugget so did you bring a nugget with you to the garage yes so okay is it a frosty purple
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nugget yeah it is um no so I was thinking about something I can't remember I think it was a
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dream that I had uh I've been I over the Christmas break holidays I kept finding myself
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midday I have this recliner that I you you set it to the your comfort zone okay and then you just you save it mhm so I
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get in my chair and it's at this very odd angle it's like on the side of the TV almost
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but you can still watch TV that way but if if you walked into the room and you saw my couch you'd be thinking why
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aren't you on the couch MH but for some reason it's I need a new TV my TV is too
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small okay for the room but so when I sit on the couch I my couch is nice but it's so big that I can lay down on it
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and then I end I know I'm going to fall asleep the couch is very nice yeah so then I have this this this recliner so I
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sit on the recliner but it's this odd angle but it's just me and I have a little TV TV tray and I eat my dinners
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there or eat my lunch or whatever and then I normally put the tray back and I hit the button and it puts me in my
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little comfort zone okay so you save it and with one button push it it moves around and now you are in Comfort Zone
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which puts me to sleep so I had this dream that we were in my living room you and I
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you me and a couple other people okay and I'm screaming at the top of my lungs that I have no control over the show and
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you don't listen to my ideas and it is Christmas and we should be covering the John Benet ramsy case
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right and you're yelling but we think the brother did it okay yeah and I'm going there's more hard to the so this
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is this odd dream that I have and I'm talking to uh I I I think I can say this I won't
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say the company's name but that I had a company reach out to me if I was interested in making videos for their
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app okay okay and uh I was tossing out some Stu sometimes with the these meetings I I just toss out some stupid
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ideas to see like how serious they are you know what I mean like I toss out a dumb idea oh I can make videos about
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this dumb idea and then just see what the feedback is right once they start going yeah yeah anything you want to do
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then I go okay this is not good you know what I mean is isn't that what the South
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Park guys do when they're approached by other people they're like oh yeah we'll take this meeting and then they secretly
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behind closed doors they agree just to amuse themselves they're going to throw out the most ridiculous dumb idea that
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they have it's not even really an idea they just they just pieced it together for the purpose of making fun of this
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meeting right right and then they're like but sometimes they Greenlight the project right then you're like oh we
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maybe maybe we should do this idea so when we're we're talking I could I could definitely tell that the person
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that was reaching out listened to our show enough right and so then I just said well what's your favorite case cuz to me
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that gives me a kind of a uh a stance on how much they're into True Crime well or a stance on how much
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they're into True Crime garage because full disclosure here we've taken these phone calls before and it's a lot of uh
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massaging you know it's a lot of uh oh I love your show you guys are fantastic and then you through the course very
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early in the convers you can figure out they've maybe listened to a 15sec clip of the show right yeah and and this
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person said well I know this is mainstream and I know that this is not you know Jan Ramsey is what she said
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and I was like yeah and it really got me thinking why am I still so fascinated with this case like West Memphis 3 I can
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tell you why I'm fascinated I don't know the answer is that why you're still so fascinated
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with Jean Benet or is it you think there's a you don't know why well no because I watched the CBS special which
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was very good you recommended that to me that was a great Captain recommendation
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if you want to watch it's not a documentary I I've been going back because I've been down this rabbit hole
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and and hopefully you enjoy the rabbit hole that I'm going to take you down but I've been watching then interviews
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about the CBs special and there are saying look this is not a documentary this is a
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reinvestigation of the crime and that's what made it so neat to watch yeah and and one of the reasons why we never
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covered this even though it has always been one of my favorite cases is because there's a CBS special out there that did
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a really good job and if you kind of want to know what I believe go watch that special and that's going to be
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pretty close you feel like they've they've built the whole thing it's fantastic there's no there no doing it
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better Justice than what they did yeah I think so but I also think like that's one of the things that we approached
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really early on and when we started creating the show is can we add to it you know like when you know a lot of
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people are like in the beginnings hey cover OJ and OJ was really hot in the media and so then it becomes well are
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you just covering it because it's hot in the media like I don't want to be that guy so then we thought okay well one of
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the things with OJ was the timeline and the mountain of evidence and and I really am proud of the idea that we said
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okay episode one we're focusing on the timeline was HE capable of doing the crime did he have the time the second
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one let's focus on just this mountain of evidence and was there a mountain of evidence or was it fake and so we really
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felt like we could bring something to the case right with the John bav Ramsey case once you think that you know the
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answer and the answer was given to you by CBS then then what do you have to bring to the table nothing so that's one
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of the reasons why we never covered it it was the most requested Case by far um I have an additional reason and I
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think I've mentioned this before is that I think it's too big like for our format
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because like when we covered West Memphis 3 yeah we thought okay cool we can do like what we did with OJ here's a
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here's a chance to really look at it the way we want to look at it we can present
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it under a different light look at at it under a different microscope and really
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tear the thing apart the problem we ran into with West Memphis 3 was we thought three 1 hour three one and a half hour
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episodes would be enough right and we figured out halfway through the third episode that there's so much more to do
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here Jean Benet to me and I think I said that I think somebody could do a whole series on TV or on the radio or
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podast or Internet or whatever I think you I think you that could carry you for a year I mean there's just so much stuff
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out there and don't temp me cuz I will do it I mean I actually thought about this when I was diving into this I
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thought this is so interesting and I was watch one of the things and we can discuss this later but one of the things
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I was thinking is like we don't do a lot with our YouTube channel and one of the things I thought
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was okay well I could talk true garage TV yeah I could talk about this on on the show but there's all these little
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other rabbit holes I could take you down in this story because day one was try to
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figure out this thing okay I kind of figure out this thing but now I got to go down this Rabbit Hole now I got to go
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down another Rabbit Hole I could have done a little five minute video of each rabbit hole right I don't know if people
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want to watch that though of me just sitting like talking all crazy to camera you know it's like that part with Mark
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Wahlberg remember that movie where he was like the bad guy he was like dating the teenage
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daughter and he's like in the door you can see him in the door um what's that peephole and he's like let me in wait
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wait wait was let me out was he like the stalker or something okay yeah that was
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a a long time ago what was that movie called uh all somebody's yelling at it right now yeah I can't hear you speak up
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was that an MTV movie didn't MTV probably was I think him you know might still be making movies but I know they
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di their Google that real quick why I uh why I start the rabbit Hall okay so so the CBS special this is how they break
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it down they do all these tests but this is basically their findings the uh the ramsy come home from a Christmas party
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uh John B Ramsey goes to bed then we have Burke he is still up Burke's the brother Burke is the brother we have
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four people in the family we're going to just mother father Brooke Brook Burke B
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and uh John B so Burke is still up he's a little bit older brother the mom says well I'm going to make you a snack here
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we go it's one of the weirdest snacks this is as disgusting as putting cheese on an apple
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pie they're going to put milk and pineapple that's the snack so what CBS thinks is that she makes the snack she
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gets tied up whether she's talking on the phone or whatever she's doing and and I don't think the father is
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around and what CBS believes is that johnan gets up out of bed sees that Burke has a snack grabs some of the
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snack puts it in her mouth Burke then grabs a flashlight hits her on the back of the head she then goes to another
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part of I think goes down some steps into the basement that's where she ends up passing out then Burke goes down to
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see what's happening sees his sister passed out he takes uh some there there's a lot of train tracks around
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there he takes a piece of the train track he pokes her in the side leaving two marks right um weird marks on her
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body only two a lot of people thought that was a stun gun but I think they they they kind of proved that it could
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be these train tracks could be one or the other and actually the the the um the distance between the two uh points
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of that train track would be about the same as the marks left on her body right right but it's also about the same
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distance as as prawns on a a taser or stun gun or whatever you want to call these these line up these make sense so
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then at some point now they this is where they get a little blurry they don't go into much detail but at some
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point the family goes oh [ __ ] our daughter's dead her son accidentally killed her and they stage this Breakin
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scene and they stage right then they put her into another room that they called the wine Celler it was just basically
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like an unfinished room of the basement a lot of the rest of the basement is finished and if you watch the CBS
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special one of the best things that they ever did is they actually recreate all the
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rooms so when you're going through this like investigation with them you feel like you're in the house
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and you're not and and what do they find at the kitchen counter where he was having a snack they find a flashlight
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that possibly could have been the weapon that hits her in the head and so their basic findings are we
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think that Burke did this accidentally now I'm going to drop a bombshell that I have not been able to
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find reported anywhere but this comes to me from a very credible Source I reached
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out to a detective that looked and to some of this stuff because people that were involved in the
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investigation people that in the FBI that were invest in involved in the FB oh my God people slow down yeah I know
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I'm fired up this morning so people in the FBI that were involved in the investigation reached out to this
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detective sent him some information just to look at and then had a couple phone conferences just to have
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they wanted to talk out the ideas with this person okay basically like if I said hey I got this theory about John B
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Ramsey like I'm doing now I'm telling you my theory and I'm not saying that I'm right I'm just saying listen to what
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I'm saying and tell me where I'm wrong right I'm asking for it hear me now believe me later stab you know well I'm
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not going to say stab holes in my story maybe that's bad poke holes in my story so this Source says and I cannot find
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proof of this anywhere that the Ramsay called their lord ERS before they called 9111 and if that is true then wow
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something weird is going on yeah what what would be the reason for you to call your
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lawyer before you call 911 that's pretty strange to me let me let me go I'll take my first poke here if I
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were the parents of an abducted child and there seems to be a ransom note left I could see a situation where I might
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consider calling an attorney first because of the thought of not involving the police and paying the ransom to get
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right my child back so I'll say that in their defense well right but also if you
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but also it states if you contact police and all that stuff right you're done right your child's done did here's one
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question I have for you and we might not be able to answer this here and now mhm
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but kind of just to poke holes in my my defense of the Ramsay there would be I know that a ransom amount was
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stated I can't recall were there instructions left on how to deliver that Ransom money uh it's a long note and I I
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believe at some point it's we're going to contact you that's right you're right um again I have a lot of these thoughts
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and ideas just flowing through my head I actually started trying to write down notes so I could bring in some notes for
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this conversation and it got to the point where I'm like I just got to hope that I stay on the right track okay so
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my point is that CBS says that the brother accidentally killed his sister and that the Ramsay
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then covered it up yep we've lost one child why should we lose another right and that has been the story and when all
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this new stuff came out when the CBS special came out and then uh Dr Phil actually interviewed Burke and
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um and look it's easy to make fun of him when you watch the interview with Dr Phil and the first time I watched it I
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remember thinking this is really creepy he's smiling the whole time um then I watched several reports
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that say look this is not a smile these are people their behavior Specialists that say this is not a smile this is
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somebody that's very uncomfortable and is in talking about something that is very uncomfortable to them this is also
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traumatic somebody that's a very private individual and this face he's making even though it seems as a smile that you
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can actually see stress points in his face and I went back and watched this interview and with those
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eyes doesn't seem so creepy to me anymore I actually feel really bad for him and and I actually see this thing
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that um that Dave Ram is it Dave Ramsey John Ramsey whatever the father's name is John is John Ramsey yeah Dave Dave
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Ramsey is a is a financial specialist yeah you should listen to Dave Ramsey once in a while I'm I'm a musician I
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just bought 3,000 pcks the easiest way to remember it is John Ramsay because she was named it's a rare situation
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where a daughter's named after a father so John John Benet John Ben however you want to say it Ramsay that's where her
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name comes from yeah and what's so interesting in that interview and somebody's yelling at me right now
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Captain get to the Goddamn point I'm getting there what was interesting that interview was you know he's smiling half
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smiling and whatever this nervous let's say wincing is that the right word like it's an uncomfortable look yeah they're
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going what do you think happened and he's going I think just like a pedophile like
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maybe some that that we uh that that that they met at a one of these pageants like he
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doesn't know he's just like going off on like what other people might think uhhuh
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right and you can almost tell that he like I haven't looked into it cuz I don't want to and but John Ramsey said
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at one point our daughter's dead and we so much didn't want this to ruin our son's
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life and and he was like but it did and then you start thinking you are the brother and one of four people in a
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house if there wasn't an intruder there's only three people left in the house of the most famous case in the
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world in history there is not a more famous case I mean God what a what a life that kid
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had at after that right okay so that's their Theory and I watched the special and I went you know this makes a lot of
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sense called a couple of my buddies to talk about it they watch the special yeah I agree with the special okay that
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the special came out a few years ago right pretty early on when we started the show two three years ago y so that's
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been my viewpoint on it yeah it's probably the brother people would ask me what do you think about the John B
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Ramsey case and I'd literally just say or ask did you watch CBS special yes I did I kind of believe what they believe
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we don't need to go into it any further I haven't had any good conversations about John Bay Ramsey since that
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special so then RP brains dumb monkey brains right we were supposed to let the evidence speak for
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itself the evidence will tell us the truth now I'm not saying that when they made this documentary did they are they
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just wrong I think they did the investigation the way they wanted to and and I think sometimes these
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documentaries then omit certain facts or certain pieces of EV evidence so here here I just want to go over two pieces
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with you so as I'm contemplating why is John B Ramsay's case so interesting to me
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still that I will watch a documentary after I already think I know the answer the girl on the phone that I asked that
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said to is yeah because you think you know the answer but there's no definitive you're correct mhm and I
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thought well maybe that's it but then I so I started actually I went the opposite way here's my theory
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let me disprove my theory Brooke's not the Killer Burke why you keep calling him Brooke
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Burke is not the killer okay so my theory is that he is the killer he accidentally hit his um
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sister in the head with his flashlight then the parents covered up they wrote this weird Ransom note it looks by all
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accounts that the mom wrote The Ransom note like handwriting analysis have said pretty much definitive we think she
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wrote the note I yeah I've heard conflicting stories on that I've heard I've heard reports that we can confirm
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she wrote the note but what I have seen the most is that we cannot rule her out right but they ruled out John yes now
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but the wording is interesting because a lot of people have suggested the words come from John and maybe she's writing
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this why he tells it while he's assisting or advising into what should be put on paper so I'm just going to
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throw the out and this was this was to yell at my PE brain so if you're thinking right now that hey I I agree
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with the captain I agree with the CBS most likely it was an accident he didn't mean to kill her I mean a couple
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I think a few weeks before this happened he hit her in the face with a golf club
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mhm now I'm no I'm no doctor but that could kill somebody so then I that's also what made
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me believe that hey this kid is he's just so young that he doesn't really understand
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the his actions are going to have possibly a deathly consequence okay so I've set it up
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enough I [ __ ] it around enough but let's start with these polygraph test that's the first thing I'm going to
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throw out mhm so the first polygraph test that they took was within weeks right now they didn't actually sit down
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to have a proper interrogation or a proper um questioning session I believe for 4
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months well and immediately after the discovery of their daughter they're the ramies are in the process of trying to
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leave the state yeah so I mean not only are they having a hard time questioning the
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family to they're having a hard time keeping them at Bay you know trying to keep them at home so they can question
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them very fishy and and obviously everybody listening to this show is well educated enough in these types of
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stories to know that you got to clear the family first before you can move on and and cast a wider net in your
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investigation yeah and for whatever reason the Ramsay's had this thought where they
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go it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and we don't have to prove our
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innocence to you for whatever reason that's the dumbass standpoint that these people took and it was stupid and it
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caused problems with the investigation is probably one of the main reasons we don't have an answer to this crime is
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because on how Shifty and Shady some of their actions were questionable actions and so but let's go to this polygraph so
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they take a polygraph test it comes back inconclusive so they were asking for some polygraph test and and the wife was
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saying no the the husband was saying no and but this was also because their doctors were saying and and lawyers and
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other people were saying look you just lost your daughter right you should not take these
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test these don't end up well when you have this much emotion here's the two results you're going to get you're
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either going to get deceptive or you're going to get inconclusive you'll never get the you
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pass this with flying colors we think that you're telling the truth that is what all of her advisor say so they
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don't take the test when they do take the test they get inconclusive oh see I told you that's what my doctor said good
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thing we got an inclusive instead of inconclusive instead of a deceptive case right so then the guy that admin the
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test to him says I you know I really think they should take another test we could get more answers out of this I
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recommend this guy REM recommends a different guy this guy was basically the head of of the liar detector the
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polygraph unit for the FBI okay at one point he was the master the number one guy possibly in the world on polygraphs
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and he suggested that they take tests with them so they said at some point as they're being more cooperative and now
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once I think the ramsy realized it doesn't matter what we say we have to prove we're innocent M we can't do this
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whole thing where hey don't blame us let's find the real killer we have to prove to everybody that we're not right
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because obviously we have to go on the offensive now right because the media is eating this up and they're going to eat
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Us Alive and the cops aren't coming to our defense at all and and they're the cops aren't trying to roll them out look
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the cops eventually had to issue apologies to the Rams for stuff that they did because they were so singular
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focused on them being The Killers so anyways they say we're going to take the polygraph test the guy that
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administers the test says yeah we're not doing one I'm going to interview you in
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a series over a month long technically equaling three test each one of the Ramsay passed all three
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tests mhm now including Burke or just the parents okay John and pany but let me be clear on this that
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from the records that I found and and you can look I try to eat this up either way uh are you respon John are you
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responsible for the murder of your daughter no that does not mean that CBS is not
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correct mhm he wasn't responsible do you know who murdered your daughter no I don't well still CBS is not
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wrong because you might not view um what Burke did as murder mhm it was accidental but once they start
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saying to you do you know who was responsible for her death do you know who who was involved mhm when he says no
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I don't know who was involved I don't know who's responsible for her Murder by passing that by the wife
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passing that three times with the most highly trained the most knowledgeable most
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knowled most knowledgeable person on polygraph test in the country three times now the question becomes yes I
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understand that we don't let lie detector test results into the court of law we we only have that on mory's show
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or Jerry Springer but that's where you have to weigh that evidence mhm if you believe that they're
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correct then you have to believe that cbs's idea or their theory is wrong but if you believe that these tests have
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any weight they passed them three times never failing yes the first test was inconclusive that's not a
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fail so that really got me thinking you can't dup if it was just one of them that passed the test one time ah duped
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it three test both of of them pass mhm to me I kept on thinking you can't dismiss that I
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understand that I can't argue that in court but I can't dismiss that to me that's a that's a factual piece of
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evidence now what the hell happened MH so then that got me thinking okay so do do I hold weight to
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this and and my answer is yes now people out there could say no no no it means nothing you can't prove that in court
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those tests are stupid you shouldn't I got an email a couple weeks ago saying that I shouldn't put so much
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weight into these polygraph tests okay we we get those all the time and sometimes we're not putting any weight
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into them at all they're just simply part of the real life investigation and the story that we're covering sometimes
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we just tell you the result we don't tell you that we agree with it right or that or that we even agree with
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polygraph test at all you know I had some someone come after me pretty tough on a story we did recently where we
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referenced that there were polygraph tests given and here look here's one thing that I want to throw out there
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that I I think got lost in the shuffle because we do have we do have people that will will stop by the garage and
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listen to a show or listen to a couple of shows so they don't know everything that we've discussed on this long
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journey that we've been doing for years now and but one thing we pointed out very clearly along the way is we don't
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put a lot of weight in these polygraph test furthermore and this is kind of specific to what we're discussing here
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you know an individual that we've talked about a lot John Douglas retired FBI agent very famous man who we agree with
00:31:51
sometimes and disagree with at other times but regardless I respect John Douglas immensely he's a golden god
00:32:01
and and oh come on we've talked about him we you know how much money we owe that guy yeah for how much we've talked
00:32:08
about or he owes us we've sent we've sent listeners to watch things he's been involved in I'm sure he got paid for
00:32:14
those projects well now that I think about it he's made more money than we have so he owes us money yeah well I
00:32:20
mean we're doing free advertisements for you my friend he's getting paid from the
00:32:24
Mind Hunter show you know and um they haven't paid us S no and we we talk about it a lot so much to the point
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where I've got some emails that are like are you guys do you guys work for Netflix are you guys like we we hope to
00:32:37
silent promote you know are you some kind of secret promoters of of M Hunter can you imagine if they ask us to be on
00:32:44
the show can you guys be local R radio DJs hey this is the captain coming to you on the 405 but I I do want to point
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out something with in a statement that Douglas gave and I think it may have been specific to
00:32:57
this case if not it definitely applies to the Jean Benet Ramsey case is he says regarding polygraph tests that they can
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be in his opinion they can be a valuable investigative tool okay keep in mind pay
00:33:13
attention to his words valuable investigative tool meaning they're only good for the investigators they don't
00:33:19
work as you discussed in a court of law obviously right now he's he's also pointed out several times that when you
00:33:26
have a when the murder victim is let's say a a daughter son or a wife or a husband if
00:33:35
you are going to polygraph the the immediate family members it's a very difficult science
00:33:44
and I'm putting air quotes there when I say science but he says that you can get
00:33:49
false positives when you question a husband or a wife or a mother or a father because you know you have certain
00:33:58
emotions certain thoughts and it could be that even though the husband of a murdered woman let's say murdered spouse
00:34:08
even if he's completely innocent the polygraph May register false positives because he feels some level of guilt
00:34:16
somewhere inside but yet had nothing to do with the murder you know what I mean like as a mother we're supposed to
00:34:22
protect our children as a father we're supposed to protect our children you know you're supposed to protect your
00:34:28
loved ones and when one of them is murdered es especially in your home inside the walls of your home yeah
00:34:36
that person may be holding a lot of guilt going we've talked to these people before Captain where they go I just wish
00:34:43
I could have done something differently I just wonder if I was a better mother if this wouldn't have happened I just
00:34:48
wonder if I was a better husband would this not have happened and these are innocent people these are people that
00:34:54
didn't hurt anybody so that one thing to keep in mind regarding this and and I think it works here specifically in this
00:35:03
case uh fear 1996 is that right oh yeah yeah fear Mark Walberg there you go okay
00:35:11
so oddly I'm thinking about this and I I just I just go to Google because I wanted to make
00:35:19
sure John Benet named after John MH paty Ramsay her name was John B Patricia ramsy
00:35:32
right that was her name yes John Benet Patricia Ramsay so named after not only her father but
00:35:42
mother right and so again this is like you're going to name your kid after yourself and you're going to love your
00:35:47
kid and you're going to be all about your kid but then you're you're just going to let your other kid kill your
00:35:53
kid I and that's what I believe for so long and now now what I'm telling you is there's there's evidence what do you
00:36:01
hold weight to that polygraph or you don't now I want to get back to when CBS came out and did this Burke
00:36:09
Ramsey sued CBS now I heard from a lot of people and here here's what's funny I was looking this up a couple days ago
00:36:16
couldn't find anything about the lawsuit right okay so then I talked to a lawyer
00:36:22
friend he said oh well of course see what Ramsay will do is he'll file the lawsuit
00:36:28
when it's hot in the media and then all you'll remember is that he did file a lawsuit he'll he'll drop the law suit
00:36:36
later CU he won't win and he doesn't want to have to testify in court right he doesn't want to have to do cross
00:36:43
examination but the Public's perception is he fought this right but check this out they settled oh they final
00:36:52
settlement amount was not disclosed right but it was filed in Michigan was seeking no less than $250 million in
00:37:02
compensation damages no less they probably settled for 500 million in punitive damages now here's what's
00:37:10
interesting though a lot of people said that CBS is like thank you thank you for um suing us thanks for
00:37:23
suing us because now we get a question you looks like they didn't do that right right well it would be if they if it
00:37:30
would have went to court right because it it varies depending on where you are but in some areas if you sue someone for
00:37:39
slander or for defamation of character you then have to prove that that person you know tarnished your
00:37:47
reputation that they were wrong in their statements and that can be difficult to
00:37:52
do especially in this situ I don't know man I I um I I'm going to be honest with you this
00:38:03
case fascinates me incredibly but it frustrates me equal parts because I I can be swayed I can be
00:38:15
swayed fairly quickly to either side of the fence here was it an intruder or was
00:38:21
it somebody inside the home it there's evidence to suggest both it's really very tricky I think
00:38:28
that I've always felt that the answer lies in that Ransom note or whatever you want to call that letter um I've always
00:38:37
felt that that the answer is there and and I know this is going to sound like a dumb statement um we you and I were
00:38:43
talking about uh Tony Romo and dumb statements who who we love we love Tony Romo hey Tony give us a call yeah
00:38:51
Anthony Anthony Romo give us a call give us a call I mean if he's not the best sports announcer he's the best in his
00:39:00
age group I'll give him that well if right that's what I'm saying if he's not the best he will currently right now
00:39:07
it's only because somebody's been doing this 20 years longer than him yeah there's nobody out that and sorry
00:39:16
Cowboys but you should have kept them around a little bit longer well I don't know about that but he said one hell of
00:39:23
a quarterback he doesn't get the just doe for for his uh football IQ and you're seeing it firsthand now he said
00:39:31
something when calling one of the playoff games this year he said something like and that only catches up
00:39:38
to you once it catches up to you and and Jim Nance Chuckles a bit and and Romo I
00:39:44
think realizes the absurdity of that statement he goes yeah go ahead and write that one down yeah write that one
00:39:50
down so so here's an absurd statement from the extra crispy Colonel here um with that Ransom note it's always boiled
00:40:00
down to to me very simply if you could prove who wrote that damn note you know who killed or knows what happened and I
00:40:08
and I know that's an absurd statement that's an obvious statement I'm going to make you look like a fool but go ahead
00:40:13
and write that down well now time to make you look like a fool and I didn't want to do this but you made me do it
00:40:19
all right I pushed I pushed your hand fored your hand if you figure out who wrote The Ransom note you figure out who
00:40:25
killed her how about you get the DNA that's underneath her fingernails oh yeah yeah so here's the
00:40:34
other problem too in this case we talk about DNA a lot we talk about this possible saliva DNA that was
00:40:43
on her underwear right that's the majority when they talk about DNA mhm well there's also touch DNA that was
00:40:53
on the elastic of the underwear I've also heard some heard and read some FBI agents and even
00:41:04
local investigators who almost kind of it seems like they're suggesting there might have been more than what's
00:41:13
reported yeah so what I was reading more DNA I mean yeah so what I was reading this is what I find interesting okay A
00:41:22
little touch DNA possible saliva touch DNA on the elastic okay whatever who cares about that I don't care little s
00:41:29
of DNA on the on on the underwear don't care about that either oh it probably came from some worker when they're
00:41:38
having the it came from some worker that's what the CBS said like a technician somebody
00:41:45
working on the body no somebody that manufactured the underwear oh oh yeah that's what they stated CBS stated
00:41:53
listen to me listen when I'm talking to you if you you want to talk about somebody that
00:42:00
believed in this documentary mhm right now tell me this ain't a farce they said well it's touch DNA they
00:42:12
have experts on that I've heard detectives tell me that that person is a criminal
00:42:19
genius what's the Asian man um that they had on on on the CBS special oh uh Dr Lee Dr Lee I believe it was Dr
00:42:32
Lee that said oh you know it could have came from a a factory worker that was making the
00:42:41
underwear right mhm use a [ __ ] do you like is it Henry Lee Dr Henry Le do you like him or not I I have
00:42:53
a mixed bag bag with him here's my thing when somebody that I think has a brain tells me this is a guy is a criminal
00:43:02
he's a criminal um genius genius well not a criminal genius but he would be like a crime
00:43:09
scene analyst genius and okay this is where it frustrates the [ __ ] out of me what I was
00:43:20
reading and I don't think it was wrong because it was coming from a lawyer that said the DNA under that little girl's
00:43:29
fingers matched the DNA that was on her underwear now you're going to tell me that the factory worker that made her
00:43:36
panties somehow got his DNA under her [ __ ] fingernails yeah but ar ar aren't they saying that there was more
00:43:44
than one kind of DNA found on the underwear that's what I think their their statement
00:43:49
was May maybe so but what what I was reading was the DNA on the underwear matched the DNA underneath the guy damn
00:43:57
[ __ ] fingernails now you make a goddamn documentary or this what here's what's so frustrating about this case is
00:44:05
that you hear about all this [ __ ] and then all this other [ __ ] gets lost in the the shuffle and and and I I'm not
00:44:13
mad at maybe them for doing it but it's like I watch this documentary I don't think I heard one time about some
00:44:20
goddamn DNA underneath somebody's goddamn fingernails if your brother hit you in
00:44:29
the head with a with a flashlight and then there was a struggle and you clawed the [ __ ] out of that [ __ ] then
00:44:39
guess whose DNA is going to be underneath your fingernails so the fact that this little
00:44:46
girl has DNA underneath her fingernails we don't need to figure out who wrote the goddamn note we don't need to have
00:44:53
to figure out anything if they have evidence that this girl put up a fight with somebody and has their evidence under
00:45:03
their fingernails that's all we have to figure out but obviously they can't well it hasn't matched anybody it
00:45:10
didn't match anybody in the family so and I and I believe from what I was reading is a couple of the suspects that
00:45:20
we that people have talked about in the public some of the more Pro uh predominant ones that have been a part
00:45:28
of them speculation that they have been tested and that didn't match right and then so then my question is is do we
00:45:37
know for a fact that I mean this this is DNA evidence under multiple fingernails
00:45:43
mhm of a male mhm like and they're pretty for sure that it's from when she was being attacked and it's like well if
00:45:52
it matches one or or the only source of DNA on the underwear you would think 100% it comes from the attack but my my
00:46:03
my Counterpoint would be if you can't find a match for the DNA then the notes a good second place to start no no no no
00:46:11
and I and and my anger isn't directed towards you or really towards anybody it's just the idea that you have these
00:46:17
cases sometimes where it's like the nonsense that is talked about in these documentaries and the nonsense that
00:46:23
people bring up uh when they're talking about these cases it's just baffles me you know I mean but that you there you
00:46:30
got to blame CBS so if you think that and and I'm not sure that this is exactly what you're saying but if you
00:46:39
think that they chose what what to include and what not to include as far as evidence goes in their
00:46:48
investigative storytelling of this of this case or their investigation of this case then you have to blame CBS for
00:46:56
going okay well we need to sell this thing the only way that it sells is that we claim we have solved it or we have
00:47:06
the the new solution you know because frankly not very often do people want to walk watch a documentary of something
00:47:14
that's already been documented time and time again so right but okay it's called
00:47:19
True Crime Let's Be True Crime people let's not be no I know so that's false that's where my [ __ ] hey thanks for
00:47:28
settling you dumb [ __ ] you know yeah we're glad that he we glad that he's suing us so so we could uh we can
00:47:36
cross-examine him unless but you also have to factor there's a lot of things that go into you know so one a place
00:47:42
that I used to work and I I can't really discuss what it was that you know the job that I actually had was it a foreign
00:47:49
faction yes it was um but regardless there were multiple lawsuits that occurred um during my time
00:47:59
working and I shouldn't say with this particular organization but around this particular
00:48:07
organization and one thing I learned from some of the behind the scenes stuff is there's a lot involved in in settling
00:48:16
one of these lawsuits because you know there could there was one specific instance where I was angry at the person
00:48:25
suing this group because I knew that their story their claims were complete [ __ ] and for a while I kind of lost
00:48:35
some respect for this organization because they settled with this guy they they they paid they paid this douche
00:48:42
canoe some money yeah and it was a decent amount of money now learning more about it
00:48:49
later I learned that they the organization figured out that even though they felt this guy was full of it
00:48:56
and that they were completely in the right and that they would win at court right they figured out that hey our
00:49:04
legal council and the length of this investigation and trial and and putting together our
00:49:11
defense it would be significantly cheaper to just pay the guy to go away than to than to even defend ourselves
00:49:18
right so who know like I mean when we see I I'm with you I I don't love that CBS settled here but but again
00:49:27
I mean if Burke is innocent then then I don't really care I mean that would sway
00:49:31
me completely the opposite way but if CBS settled with him and it was for you know you're saying it's like what $750
00:49:39
million total is what it sounds like he was going with that's my public school math there so if I'm wrong take it easy
00:49:47
on me um what what if they just gave him 7.5 million what if they gave him $500,000 and he's like cool I'll go away
00:49:56
yeah you know what I mean so it's you have to it's it's tough to say hey to to agree with the settlement as
00:50:06
far as CBS goes and here's what but here's what here's just because we don't know the details of of or the structure
00:50:13
of such right but here's what pisses me off though is all these people that are that they talk a big game about how they
00:50:19
want something solved and then you just omit you omit information you omit facts you omit evidence and act like as
00:50:31
if it doesn't exist guess what I want the person responsible for this I want to know the
00:50:38
answer if it's Burke it's Burke right but I I'm not going to Omit any evidence to go there now look again with
00:50:49
the polygraph do whatever you want with it you can tell me that it's doesn't matter
00:50:54
to you and you don't care okay fine then you can still believe Burke did it okay
00:51:01
now go to the next step that I just told you about the DNA doesn't match him doesn't match his father it's an unknown
00:51:11
male now if we could come up with a logical reason how she had that DNA underneath
00:51:17
her fingernails other than defending herself from an attack okay and also why bind the hands
00:51:27
why bind hands well I guess if those hands are attacking you you might bind those
00:51:36
hands right but so are you leaning towards the I'm just saying I'm really interest I'm way
00:51:45
more interested in this case than I've ever been before and but I don't want to be I don't want to be
00:51:51
like I think a lot of people that make up their own goddamn story in their own end result and they try to get there you
00:52:00
know just like is it you know is it possible that she was poked with part of the train
00:52:10
track and it had nothing to do with Burke at all it's possible or did it have nothing to do with the actual
00:52:18
attack that led to her death right well she poked earlier with that or or sometime when they were moving the body
00:52:26
did they hit I mean there's when you see the reenactment of the CBS special you see train track pieces everywhere did
00:52:33
they set her down for a second and then her body gets up all I'm saying is I'm way more interested in this case than I
00:52:39
ever been but as I go through it you have to you have to let the evidence take you not not just your own
00:52:48
thing and like I said I went into it going I think this was an accident I think he hit her in the head
00:52:53
accidentally and then the the parents covered up she she would have had to have been
00:53:00
strangled in some manner afterwards like so it wasn't the the blow to the head that killed her yeah
00:53:07
but again I think logically you could go what if and this is where this is this to me
00:53:14
gets into crazy talk what if your kid is struggling you choke her to me it doesn't matter even if if
00:53:26
your kid is struggling call the 911 right I was going to say isn't that the stance we took in the the meline McCain
00:53:34
McAn case right is that if there was some type of accident these adults would have sought
00:53:41
medical attention for their child and you know even even Burke hitting her in the head with something heavy duty you
00:53:51
could it's still an accident you know it's it's you still seek medical attention right you don't strangled the
00:53:57
kid um but yeah this is a very difficult one for me because of the other thing too with with the investigators and
00:54:07
people that worked on this case you have uh John Douglas who he worked on it many
00:54:11
years after the fact so take that with a grain of salt but he he said in his opinion John Ramsay didn't kill um Jean
00:54:20
Benet nobody in the house that night killed Jean Benet that's his opinion yeah and respect his many of his
00:54:28
opinions um and I I I'll I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one but then you have other individuals like I
00:54:36
think the first responding Officer says hey I walked into a house and it was the
00:54:41
Rams and they already had they already had people over there was people over in the house when I first walked in and I
00:54:48
felt like I was walking into a hostile environment and it wasn't because it was hostile because their child was missing
00:54:55
it was almost confrontational that they were putting up a defense immediately right when and that that's the vibe that
00:55:03
that Officer says that she had from from that uh very early on in the stages of the investigation two completely
00:55:11
different opinions on this case do do you ever do you think that it will ever be
00:55:18
solved yeah and well that's what I was saying I'm I'm going to you know in what time I have I'm going to try to go down
00:55:26
these these different rabbit holes and get to a better clear understanding in my head but you know when you have
00:55:32
investigators they they take these tests they knew that it eliminated anybody in
00:55:39
the house that night they knew that like within 2 weeks and they never presented
00:55:45
that to the media I think it took them s months to present that to the media it's
00:55:52
almost like they were fixated on there's something fishy here not saying there's
00:55:56
not something fishy there but there's something fishy there and um well that's that's what a lot of people
00:56:07
have said throughout the years was that the Ramsay did not cooperate with the investigation immediately and therefore
00:56:14
the investigators at the time became they didn't just become fixated on the ramies because they were
00:56:20
uncooperative they almost became disgruntled against the ramsy almost like oh you're picking a fight with us
00:56:27
well we can pick a fight back you know we can we we accept your challenge and now we're looking at you and well and
00:56:33
their pomp is arrogance and I really think it stems from John I mean I don't give a [ __ ] I mean I think that's what
00:56:41
it was I think it's I have some money you don't and I think the media is going to come at me and so I'm going to start
00:56:47
going against you right away um I think they knew how some of this was going to play out I also think that you if you're
00:56:57
tossing your daughter that young into pageants and stuff you're kind of worried about like the keeping up with
00:57:03
the Jones's [ __ ] and I'm sure there's a part of them that really like the fact that this was a very popular
00:57:09
case like yeah we're getting like [ __ ] on but it's kind of awesome how many interviews people want to do with us
00:57:16
it's kind of awesome you know cuz we're but it it affects Jon's business greatly
00:57:21
well right but the bigger the case gets the bigger the dollars get for interviews and so hey your business is
00:57:27
going shitty but hey we'll pay you a couple million to do an interview with us you know what I
00:57:32
mean right but I mean he had a very successful company no I understand that but what I'm saying is
00:57:39
that once that started affecting his business you have this thing now to fall back on mhm oh yeah it's affecting my
00:57:46
business but guess what my daughter's murder case is the biggest case in the history of cases I will say this and the
00:57:53
key word in this statement is if if the Boulder Police Department if the local investigators did have information or
00:58:02
test results that would should lead them to believe that no one inside that home
00:58:09
was responsible for the death of John B Ramsey not releasing that to the public is a big misstep in your
00:58:19
investigation because there may have been someone in the public that could have helped in in the form of a tip in
00:58:27
the form of some information something they saw something they heard someone that they spoke to it could have been
00:58:33
the tip that solve this thing I'll go I'll go on further to say that one thing that I think is interesting all the
00:58:39
times that this case has been looked at by so many different people and in cbs's
00:58:44
defense some of that is they're investigating this from an outsider's perspective uh they may not have had
00:58:52
certain things at their fingertips no no no no no this was a reinvestigation some of the people that
00:58:59
were involved in the special were some of the original investigators on the case no I I understand that but what
00:59:06
access do they have to all of the information that was collected at the time is is what I question and the thing
00:59:15
here is I believe if it were an intruder if someone went into that home and killed that poor little girl I think
00:59:24
that there might be the the information there might be something in that case File that could point you to that person
00:59:31
if it were an intruder I would be surprised if if the name or if some bit of information is not in that case File
00:59:38
that would lead you to that per [Music] [Applause]