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1985 his life has been plagued by violence and dysfunction he never knew his father who was in prison for child
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molestation he was raised by his grandparents in Chesnee South Carolina with visitation to his mother Rebecca
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Smith on weekends and holidays in November of 2002 when he was 17 years old Nations was staying with his mother
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Rebecca when she was murdered by her brother James jr. Cummings her body naked but for underwear in a cast on a
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broken arm she suffered in a fight with her boyfriend was dragged into the woods
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and covered by leaves Rebecca's autopsy revealed that she had cocaine in her system and had been stabbed twice and
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had a broken jaw and nose nation's grandmother says she asked nations and his wife to move off of her property
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years ago and hasn't spoken to him since it's unclear where nations was between the ages of 17 and maybe about 22 or 23
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but at some point he went into the Marines he was dismissed after about four years for general uh non herbal
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meaning his performance was satisfactory but he failed to meet all expectations of conduct for a Marine during his
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service in the military nations claims to have developed PTSD and severe anxiety disorder it's possible that
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these mental afflictions are likely why he would end up being treated leniently by the judge in the hatchet case but the
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hatchet case was far from his first run-in with the law yeah cuz nation has a pretty long criminal history he has
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convictions for public indecency in North Carolina that stem from to 2007 incidents where he was masturbating in
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public deliberately exposing himself to more than one victim poni louis c.k for these 2007 offenses nations served
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two years in prison and was required to register as a sex offender after his release he moved to Indiana where he was
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required again to register as a sex offender and did so in Carroll County but he failed to register as a sex
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offender in Johnson County as required he had no fixed address and was living under bridges and at camp sites although
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we don't know if that was still the case during the time frame when the Delphi murders took place in 2015
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nation seems to have really started into a downward spiral he was arrested in March of 2015 on marijuana charges he
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was arrested in July for pleasuring himself in peeping in the stall of a woman's restroom at a gas station in
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Indiana this guy's just a sicko in November he failed to appear in court for the ndu indecency charge and was
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arrested and negotiated a one-year suspended sentence in December he was arrested for domestic battery for an
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incident where he punched his wife Caitlin in the face breaking her nose in front of their children he served 99
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days in jail for that offense yeah it seems like they're giving this guy a little bit too many chances and
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negotiating things that they shouldn't be in 2016 nations managed to be arrested only once you know good for him
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this was for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia with that that's just
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when he's top four things do bright think about how many times he probably pulled out this little wanker and
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started pulling the PUD and didn't get in trouble for it well this offense included driving without a license as
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well an early 2017 nation's initially checked in with law enforcement weekly as required by his sex offender status
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he checked in on February 14th as scheduled that is the day the Abbey and Libby's bodies were discovered he was
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arrested and jailed for four days in January of 2017 question for you and he might not know this but was that the
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first time he started checking back in no he was actually checking in I have his his extended record if you want to
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so he kin to that versa well but the overall thing was he was checking in for a while it wasn't just the first time he
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started checking back in well so my records that I found were related to 2017 they start in 2017 so on January
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31st Daniel Nations checked in with law enforcement per his requirement to register as a sex offender then he
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checked in again on February 7th February 14th when the bodies were found so he was required to check in weekly
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and as far as I can find his weekly check-ins started on the 31st of January that could be incorrect
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but we do have regular check-ins on the week weekly as scheduled right starting the last day of January in 2017 and did
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he have any more public games of flicky flicky um I don't believe so but he still had run-ins with the law so you
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know the the really big time in question will be February 13th and February 14th
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you know when when the girls are missing when the bodies are found we know he checked in on the 14th and we also know
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that he did serve four days in jail in February this for failure to appear in an earlier eviction case right he was
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released after those four days and he did continue to check in notifying of a change of address to the Greenwood motel
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in Indiana this was on April 12th he was arrested again on April 25th for marijuana possession and a driver's
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license violation and he failed to appear in court as required in July of 2017 now this is because on May 12th he
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checked out of the Greenwood motel and as he says he went to Colorado on that day right but we can't be 100% sure of
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that mm-hmm when Abby and Libby were killed on February 13th Daniel Nations was work
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for a construction company in Zionsville Indiana which is about an hour's drive from Delphi during his time living in
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Indiana nation's rented various apartments and people who interacted with him had some choice words to say
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about him now what that's healthy well we'll get into that tell me what they said Nations
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Caitlyn and his kids and their kids I'm sorry were evicted by Bernice rigs after
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racking up $1,000 in property damage another landlord Randy Hamilton rented Nations and his family a house in
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Martinsville Hamilton and he had this to say about Daniel Nations quote he's a damn nut I'll tell you that he's the
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weirdest person I've ever met in my life he had a zero tolerance temper he chopped trees in a chair with a hatchet
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in a fit of anger Hamilton said a woman who employed nations on her farm in Martinsville
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she told CBS Denver that quote he was definitely not a good guy and he had a very bad temper he trashed the apartment
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she rented him frequently became violent destroyed property and even threatened one of her family members with a hatchet
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and this woman goes on to say that it got so bad that she had to get police and the courts involved to have him
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forcibly removed by court Warren yeah here's this lady trying to rent him out of place trying to give him a job he
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destroys the place and then he won't even leave mm-hmm yeah and it actually appears that before even before he was
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arrested in Colorado that Nations was being looked at as a potential suspect in the Delphi case from what I could
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find it looks like on July 18th of 2017 the indiana state police began investigating nations because he failed
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to check in since april of that year and he departed from his known address the the motel of course we now know that
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they would find him in Colorado this being in September of 2017 pursuant to the tip about his similarity to the
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Delphi suspect sketch at the time of Tim Watkins murder nations and his wife Caitlin and their
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two little kids were living out of their car and at campsites throughout Colorado
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nations brother Edward Lyles had been assaulted and murdered in Colorado Springs in early 2017 he was
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kicked in the head by steel toe boots Edwards murderer Matthew stroker was sentenced on the same day that Tim
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Watkins was killed and this murderers lenient sentence of only 16 years some have speculated could have caused
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nations to go off the deep end and lash out at the first person that he saw or that happened by know when Nations was
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arrested in Colorado there is an interesting sidenote right before he was arrested he and
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Caitlin pawned an unknown item at a local pawn shop now presumably it was something not linkable to Tim Watkins or
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police would have noted that right if the if the pawnshop was honest mm-hmm oh this is where I had his his some of his
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description Daniel nation's physical description it's worth noting that the arrest affidavit listed nations as being
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a hundred and seventy pounds with brown eyes and hair and his residence was listed as transient so I didn't take him
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just from seeing the mugshot I didn't peg him for 170 pounds but still probably not as big as what the bridge
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guy looks like yeah well [ __ ] weighs a little more Caitlin told his wife Caitlin told
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Colorado investigators at the time that she was that she not Nations was the owner of the 22 rifle that she purchased
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it she says for protection after their car was broken into and Caitlin had her own problems as well and was wanted in
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the Carolinas on a failure to appear in court for what I I don't know right but just because she has ownership of the
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gun or have an ownership of the gun you know Nations has access to the gun yes and
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that's what's so tricky about this and then you have the added fact of the lenient sentence for his brother's
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murderer alright so we have a guy that that's your motive if you break this down in its in its simplest form we have
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a guy that is described by everyone before he even gets to Colorado he's described by people in Indiana as a
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strange dude that has a horrible violent temper well yeah they call them nuts yeah and that's not just because he goes
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around showing everybody his nuts it's not some clever nickname so we have this guy that has a known violent temper then
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on top of that we know that he has access to a gun to a firearm on the same day that Watkins went missing his
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brother gets this lenient sentence for or I mean his brother's murderer gets a lenient sentence yeah so it's almost
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like justice is not done my brother was killed justice should be done oh you're not
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gonna do justice well I'm gonna go kill somebody and let's see how you like that
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mm-hmm yeah I mean we're discussing a guy that doesn't reason well with with anything
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no you know to the point of waving a hatchet at people yeah do we have a situation where he's out in the middle
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of nowhere and comes across this biker Tim Watkins all by himself and decides to take out all of his anger and
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frustrations on just some random stranger yeah because we know that Tim would confront somebody if he thought
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somebody was doing something wrong and so was nations doing something and then Tim said hey buddy you shouldn't do that
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here you shouldn't shoot your gun over here cuz there's people riding their bikes
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and then nation just lost it you also have to wonder too could the the shot that took out Tim Watkins tire on his
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bike could that have just been an accidental thing right and then and then Watkins might fly off off the chain
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there real quick it because we're talking about expensive bikes we're also talking about a guy that we we have his
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wife saying hey yeah he worked hard and he worked at these bike repair shops and at these
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bike shops and so on and so forth but money seemed to be an issue inside their marriage does did Watkins finally have
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enough of it saying to himself you know I've spoke to I've been nice about this as long as I could have possibly been
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nice about it Brian I've confronted many people that have been out here illegally
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shooting their guns and now this Yahoo accidentally just destroyed my bike and maybe he's not so friendly when he
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approaches this person be it nations or somebody else yeah whether that first shot just had been an accident that led
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to to a road rage situation where where the one man is holding a gun and the other ends up being a murder victim
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right and again how far is he off of this trail and with a flat tire then you got to carry this bike back so it's you
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could be super-pissed in September of 2017 Daniel Nations was being looked at by Colorado law
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enforcement for the Tim Watkins case as well as the hatchet menacing allegations
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and the possible connection with the murders in Delphi now he seems to be in a lot of hot water as a potential
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suspect in two murder cases for one thing they'll Paso County authorities seemed very interested in him for the
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Tim Watkins murder but unbelievably although investigators questions question nations about Watkins
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they say they thoroughly investigated him they never named him as a suspect in Tim's murder my problem is we have
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reason to believe that it was a 22 used in his death we have nations with the ability to have a 22 so that lines up
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but also that we have tests that can't be run on these guns or on the bullets the only thing that's going to seem to
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really stick here is the hatchet charges we're you know in nations denied threatening anyone with a hatchet he
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told authorities that he was just yet people and shaking his fist sure but the hatchet found in his car and the
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multiple witness reports we have multiple witnesses reporting the same thing seemed to clearly be enough to
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bring the charges against this guy well he's a lifelong criminal I mean you can't believe what he says three months
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after his arrest prosecutors cut a deal with nations that allowed him to plead guilty to one
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felony menacing charged in the weapons possession charge and he actually received no jail time for this he got
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three years probation in the plea deal well the problem I have with this turd Turkey is that he keeps getting these
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chances it seems like and chances that most people shouldn't get hmm and I just wonder if they're like you said is there
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something with the military PTSD or or anything where where is there something in the file that they're being so
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lenient because I mean being on it being out in the woods and threatening people
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with a hatchet should be taken serious well I'm certain that it probably was I wonder if we have a situation where
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there's extenuating circumstances here that write that okay so we're talking about an area that people probably
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travel to to stay be it for camping or any other reason I wonder if some of these people that he threatened if they
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were out-of-towners these are people that you would need to testify against him in court right I mean who knows what
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their level is personally are they willing to travel out of town take a day off of work to testify against this guy
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meanwhile they might have the prosecutor telling them there's not going to be a court date because he's going to plead
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guilty and therefore I think that we we have this this plea deal that's worked out it was probably fairly lenient
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coming from the prosecutors end but again it could be his some of his background may have led to it being what
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is ultimately I think I don't see how anybody can look at it other than a lenient sentence yeah it's almost like
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he's getting these free passes out of jail here you go detectives told Tim Watkins family that they had no
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evidence to link nations to the murder scene ballistic tests were inconclusive because the bullet inside Watkins was
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too deformed to to match to a possible murder weapon and according to local media DNA tests were also inconclusive
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though it's unclear whether nations submitted DNA or what DNA might have been found if any in any event Nations
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was released from jail in Colorado in January of 2018 with just probation he remains among multiple that's air quotes
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multiple people of interest in the case said Kurt Smith and El Paso sheriff's detective he says quote it would be nice
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if he gave a truthful statement to police and he continued saying that's about the best thing he could do for
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himself to exclude himself from the Tim Watkins murder case yeah but Indiana's not gonna be done with them and they're
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gonna extradite him from Colorado yeah that's because he's facing charges in three counties for among other offenses
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failure to register as a sex offender and possession of marijuana now for this he pled guilty and served some time in
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multiple jails in early July he returned to Colorado Springs to that area to try
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to regain custody of his children who were taken by Children's Services and were now the subject of a custody
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dispute between Daniel nations and his wife Caitlin who had divorced him nations gave a lengthy sorrowful
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interview to Colorado Springs Gazette in August in which he called the Watkins allegations preposterous and said quote
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I'm not what they made me out to be and quote he told the paper that he wants to
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clear his name that he is a victim of all the rumor and speculation about Delphi and the Mount Hermon incidents
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nations admitted only to illegally possessing a firearm and for failing to register as a sex
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offender in Colorado he said he took the plea deal in the hatchet case just to avoid jail time and that he did not
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threaten anyone with a hatchet and nation said he has too much self-respect as a former Marine to dress sloppily
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carry extra weight and have longer hair like the Delphi composite sketch suspect
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he also said he has an alibi he was at his wife's ultrasound on the day of the Delphi murders and that he
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gave his DNA to the Indiana State Police now it is worth noting that Caitlin did
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apparently have an ultrasound appointment that day but she says she thinks nation's was with her but cannot
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be certain no nations also told the newspaper that his children are his life and that any run-ins with people in the
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Colorado woods he may have had were because he was trying to protect his kids mountain bikers were zooming by too
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close to their tent so he placed logs on the path and had a confrontation with one rider while he happened to be
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holding a hatchet the episode on the road he said was when another car almost ran them off the road endangering his
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family he admits to having anger issues driven by his PTSD but says that he would never attack anyone but we know he
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attacked his wife Caitlin who has said that she is afraid of him she said publicly she is afraid of him
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where we left off was they they basically said hey we don't think nation was involved as far as Tim's death or at
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least they can't connect him to the crime scene right and so we're taking them back to Indiana because there's
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possibility he's involved with the Delphi murders but he'll he'll eventually move back to Colorado or at
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least go there to attempt to gain custody of his children what we do have is some statements from police regarding
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could Daniel nations have been involved in the deaths of Abby and Libby and this
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comes from October 3rd in 2017 when the Indiana State Police stated that they could not specifically include or
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exclude Daniel nations as a suspect in the Delphi homicides right but on the anniversary of Liberty Germain and
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Abigail Williams death this is in February of 2018 the state police superintendent Carter
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announced Nations was quote not a person that we care a whole lot about at this point in time and quote they went on to
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say that until the perpetrator is caught nations will technically remain a person
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of interest in the case but Carter said that they've talked to many persons of interest and identified these persons of
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interests have been identified in 30,000 tips right and he stated that we feel confident that there
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was no involvement for those of you who believe that nation's resemblance to the
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sketch is uncanny that can be hard to swallow and and I know that he remained and probably will remain a suspect in
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that case as far as you know the internet sluice go in that population right here's the thing though that's
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tricky about the Delphi case and about Daniel nations as being a possible suspect is there any reason to believe I
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mean it doesn't take much to jump to the leap that possibly there was DNA found in the Delphi case and that they took a
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sample from Daniel nations and it excluded him yeah that's the speculation right I mean we don't know for certain
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if there was DNA that was found in that case but you know if there was I mean for them to say that he's I mean what
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was the quote he's he's not someone we really care a whole lot about at this point in time
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yeah regarding their investigation I'm guessing they don't because if they did and they tested him and he didn't match
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then they would say we cleared this individual and it's time to move forward mm-hmm but I mean we speculated for day
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one whether or not they had DNA and the Delphi murders and I'm saying they don't
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because all these guys that keep coming forward as possible suspects it takes some time normally a couple weeks and
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then they say we're not really interested in that person they're not clearing people well you can clear
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people if you have DNA right and I just don't think they do well the other thing
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too I've heard Daniel nations voice in several interviews and it doesn't line up with the audio that we have from the
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Delphi murders that's invite on the hill clip right and that's just in my untrained ear I I want to throw this
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caveat out there that I think that the audio clip from the Delphi case the down the hill clip I almost feel like it's
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too fast too short to really try to line it up with the with somebody else's you know a sample of their voice from
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something else the other thing too which would be difficult for Daniel nations to
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be the perpetrator it certainly throws a wrench in the possibility is okay so that's it we have
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this questionable alibi was he at the ultrasound with his wife that day or was he not right she's afraid of him too so
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is she making this stuff up well but no she's the one that says I I don't I can't say for certain that he
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was there right she says I think he was there but I can't say 100% but I think they normally have multiple times where
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they duel an ultrasound so that's where she could be confusing where it's like and was he there at that one or was it a
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different one the thing that's not in question is she did have one scheduled for that day that seems to be that's
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that's been combed over you know and and looked through already that did happen there was one scheduled for that day so
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where I'm going with this is let's say if he was there then that excludes him he has he has a legitimate alibi he
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couldn't have been right the bridge guy yeah but if if he wasn't there with her the thing that puts the throws a wrench
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into that investigation as him being a suspect Daniel nations in his wife Caitlyn they shared a vehicle and he
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lived quite a ways away from Delphi if she was at the ultrasound with their vehicle and he was not he may still not
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have had the ability right to transport himself to the Delphi area how did how did he get there right yeah so yeah that
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becomes a big question and I know that Daniel Nations his whole thing kind of hijacks this storytelling of Tim walkins
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case yeah and I mean it really does it really overshadowed Tim walkins case and of course the Delphi case was national
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news yeah but I I think it's irresponsible and in the Tim watch its case to even rule Daniel nations out
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well I don't think I don't think you can and I don't know that I don't think their statement I mean we're not talking
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about area that has a ton of crime and yes there's people shooting guns a lot so
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there's multiple possibilities of an accidental shooting that is then taken to the next level but we have a crazy
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guy that's what people call him that's what people that knew him common nut he's in that area and he is threatening
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people with a violent weapon and on top of that he has access to a gun that can in somebody's life within a couple
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bullets hm and he's the number one suspect and the Tim Watson case as far as I'm concerned and and if law
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enforcement doesn't have leads and they have nothing to go on go back around again with Daniel nations let's see if
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you can come up with something right right and I don't think that they've cleared him you know because their
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statement is just simply we cannot connect him to the crime scene we have nothing linking him to the crime
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scene wandah which doesn't mean we're there like nope this isn't our guy they're still leaving that door open
00:35:08
right and there could be some avenue that they're going down and trying to connect them to that they're just not
00:35:14
making public now Tim Watkins murder case is it's still considered an open case I don't I don't know that it's been
00:35:22
technically ruled a cold case at this point and I know nowadays that's not really a phrase that investigators like
00:35:30
to throw around and I think in case right and I think it would be irresponsible to do so and they here's
00:35:39
what we do know though that more than 250 leads came in to the El Paso County Sheriff's Office following the shooting
00:35:47
including the most recent substantial there was a there was some hope for this case in March of 2018 there was a they
00:35:58
publicly stated that there was a lead that came in that they were very interested in my guess is that it didn't
00:36:05
it didn't go anywhere because I mean here we are a year later and that doesn't seem to have materialized into
00:36:12
anything yeah the the term cold case that that's probably more for Hollywood hmm and that kind of thing but uh yeah
00:36:22
it doesn't seem like they have much to go off of and specially when you can't test the bullets mm-hmm I mean that's a
00:36:29
big piece of evidence and you take somebody like nations or you take anybody that caliber a brainless saying
00:36:41
that would possibly be able to go from an accidental shooting to homicide you're talking about his bodies 50 yards
00:36:54
Tim Watkins body was 50 yards roughly from his bicycle and they didn't find him and they were searching for him
00:37:03
right so hopefully one day somebody's hiking or riding their bike and they stumble upon a gun and maybe that will
00:37:18
be the big break hmm because with all this less let's just say Daniel nations had another gun that he could have
00:37:28
easily disposed of this gun and if somebody was if somebody was of the right mind why I can't say that because
00:37:39
there would be a murderer but if they're trying to actually cover up the fact that they murdered somebody
00:37:44
you again its vastness where you could bury a gun and nobody's gonna find it mm-hmm well we also have that we still
00:37:53
have the lawsuit to get through this was the one that was brought forward by the
00:37:59
Gazette by the newspaper yeah because there's some interesting stuff that is brought to light due to
00:38:05
that lawsuit so on July 20th this is of 2018 of last year in the course of testimony during the lawsuit initiated
00:38:15
by The Gazette remember they're seeking the release of Tim Watkins autopsy reports the newspaper was looking for
00:38:23
information as to the number of shots the bullet trajectory and distance and any wounds to the body a prosecutor and
00:38:33
top investigator on the case both testified during this lawsuit and during their toasts testimony they said that
00:38:41
unless new clues surface an arrest is unlikely while authorities hope that someone comes forward with new
00:38:48
information the hunt for Watkins killer or killers has otherwise potentially turned into a cold case this is what we
00:38:58
talked about last week captain when you and I first started talking about Tim Watkins case and we actually have had
00:39:06
his case on the books for what a handful of weeks if not a couple months well and
00:39:13
so we both kind of briefly looked into this as we were leading up to this week but last week was the first time that
00:39:21
you and I spoke about it in our in our interesting weekly meetings that we have yeah where I become a psychopath and
00:39:30
pick up the phone and give you a call and like they used to do in the 80s I feel like we have a couple of
00:39:37
scenarios here that are possible and so a lot of times look I like to look at things like this you look when you have
00:39:46
when you have when you go to a crime scene let's say you have things items that you could find that could lead to
00:39:55
evidence but in some sense if you have nothing there that too is evidence so what I like to do is when we look at
00:40:03
these cases not just look at the case itself but look at the investigation to try to get some insight into what may be
00:40:10
law enforcement who have the details of the cases that know the specifics about the cases what what are they working
00:40:19
what angles are they working to try to for us on the outside looking in to figure out what is likely has happened
00:40:27
here and I really feel like the holding back of the autopsy it kinda and this is
00:40:36
not this is not going to be this is going to be a bit of a debbie downer moment I think
00:40:41
for the investigation but again this is just my speculation I think that the holding back of the autopsy to me shows
00:40:49
that they law enforcement might firmly believe that this is a stranger on stranger attack then it was a stranger
00:40:57
on stranger murder and that they need to hold back what little information the murderer would have that nobody else
00:41:08
would have right and confessor right if they if they happen along if they happen
00:41:14
to come across the right person the actual perpetrator and they get into a situation where they're questioning them
00:41:22
to get information that only he or she or they could deliver and why I say that this is probably a debbie downer moment
00:41:33
for I believe for the investigation is that these stranger on stranger attacks are so difficult to solve
00:41:42
yeah these cases are incredible I mean a regular murder case can be quite difficult on its own but then you factor
00:41:50
in that they have the to have no connection to one another the the victim and the perpetrator have no connection
00:41:56
to one another other than they happen to be in the same place at the same time when the murder occurred and if they
00:42:02
can't get any ballistics from any of the gunshots that's I mean now you can't even link your victim to a possible
00:42:11
murder weapon so unfortunately I feel like unless they end of talking to the right person or like they say unless new
00:42:22
clues come to the surface unless the public comes forward and says something then this case might go cold the other
00:42:31
thing though here and now I'm going to put in a little criticism if in fact they do know what kind of caliber of gun
00:42:40
was used I think that law enforcement should release that information and I say that because that might be the only
00:42:49
thing that you can connect your perpetrator to this crime because if you're asking the public for
00:42:56
help maybe somebody can remember look this happened this likely happened when most people would have been at work it
00:43:04
was during the during the day time during the week so is there a wife out there somewhere or a relative or a
00:43:12
friend out there somewhere that knows you know what I remember talking to so-and-so they told me they were going
00:43:20
out to this area and two-sport shoot that day yeah and they took their gun oh I've been out hunting with him or her
00:43:29
I've been I've been out shooting with this individual and they have that caliber of gun well at the very least I
00:43:36
could call it in and say hey look this person is a good I believe they are a good person
00:43:41
but I just want you to be aware they own that caliber of gun they told me they were sports shooting in that area around
00:43:48
that time I mean yeah is it is it the the significant breadcrumb trail that you would hope for no but it's also a
00:43:58
lead it's one more person to talk to it's something right right so I hope that if they do have if they know the
00:44:07
caliber of weapon that was used in this murder I hope that they come out and tell us at some point they might not
00:44:15
need to release the entire autopsy for us to have that information it could still be helpful the thing with the
00:44:23
autopsy though and we talked about some speculation where somebody interviewed kind of described what they saw when
00:44:32
they were there when they found Tim's body and I think what were probably another thing that that kind of suggests
00:44:41
to me that this might be stranger on stranger we talked about the scenario of Watkins possibly approaching this
00:44:48
individual right well the person in the interview said that there was possibly a
00:44:54
gunshot wound to the hand that to me almost seems like I mean can you kind of picture that in your head captain where
00:45:02
maybe the the first shot is an accidental shot that hits the front or hits the tire of tim's bike huh tim gets off
00:45:10
the bike and decides to approach the person and rat and then they raise their gun and as a natural reaction you're
00:45:17
going to do a couple things you're gonna hit the deck you're gonna you're gonna run or you're going to put your hand up
00:45:24
and i wonder if he confronted the person or saw that that to me kind of points to
00:45:30
the the the suggestion that he was looking and facing the person as they wrote as they raise the gun to him yeah
00:45:38
it's just it's sad overall though because tim seemed like such a great guy seemed like somebody like you said in
00:45:46
his 60s but somebody that you'd love to hang out with have a beer with yeah well
00:45:50
well in those those type of people that are very passionate about something they
00:45:55
can be in fashion they can be inspirational when you when you meet them and when you speak with them you
00:46:01
know one of the reasons why we love going to chrome calm right it's not so much that you know you could have a beer
00:46:06
with tim and you'd be like man i'm getting right into mountain biking tomorrow it's more so that you see
00:46:11
somebody that's so involved in something that they love and care about that it could simply inspire you to dive further
00:46:19
into something that you love and care about something that interest you now one thing we didn't go into much detail
00:46:26
of but i think we should discuss it here captain is the other cyclist that was shot in colorado there was no connection
00:46:35
or at least there's never been an announced connection to Tim's case to the other case of a cyclist shooting in
00:46:44
Colorado yeah correct so the details of that case are this and in May of 2015 John Jacoby was murdered while biking on
00:46:53
a rural road in Windsor Colorado near Fort Collins he was shot twice sometime around 10:15 a.m. the caliber of bullets
00:47:03
has not been released Jacoby was known throughout town as a friendly grocer grocery store clerk
00:47:11
right and parks system worker and he rode his bike everywhere there was seemingly no motive or reason for the
00:47:19
jacobi murder police have forensic ly linked this case to an April 2015 shooting of Cory Romeo
00:47:30
I'm sorry Romero as she was driving on harmony Road in Fort Collins about five miles from where Jacoby was shot these
00:47:40
incidents took place two years prior to Tim Watkins death and 115 miles away from Palmer Lake but both of these so
00:47:50
these cases really far away are pretty far away but they have been forensic ly linked together and they both are
00:47:57
unsolved to this day yeah and then again you wonder is there a lone sniper somewhere hmm and as there are other
00:48:08
shootings that have not been reported because they've been misses and people just took it up you know with the idea
00:48:15
that I was on the trail or not man a bullet almost hit me well was that bull it an accident or was it on purpose well
00:48:22
and then maybe possibly a different gun used in this right in Watkins case the most recent development in Watkins case
00:48:31
the trailhead to Limbo Canyon off of Mount Hermon Road where Tim was found was blocked off again with crime scene
00:48:39
tape put up this was in August of 2018 nearly a year after Tim's murder right now the El Paso County Sheriff's Office
00:48:47
spokesperson jackie kirby would not confirm whether the activity was related to the Watkins case only saying that the
00:48:56
crime tape and trail closure is part of an active investigation yeah okay we can
00:49:03
read between the lines meanwhile a year ago someone put up a sign along the trail near where Tim was found reading
00:49:11
to whomever killed Tim Watkins leave a time and date and location let's finish this up you will not win this is not
00:49:21
your Mountain this is our Mountain this is Tim's Mountain the sign is no longer there but the frustration remains rest
00:49:30
in peace Tim Martin's well Colonel do we have any recommended reading why captain yes sir we do
00:49:48
this week we are recommending shallow graves the hunt for the New Bedford highway serial killer this was actually
00:49:55
a gift this book that I'm holding right here somebody sent me this for Christmas
00:50:00
and I failed to bring along with me their name but you know who you are you know who you are that's right I'm
00:50:08
talking to you and thanking you but thank you whoever you are not only want to thank them for this wonderful gift
00:50:15
but I did I just completed the book and it's very good so check out shallow graves the hunt for the New Bedford
00:50:21
highway serial killer this is a case that I think sending this book was hopeful inspiration that we would one
00:50:29
day cover this case right and it's about nine women aged 19 to 30 six who were strangled and left along the highways
00:50:38
circling New Bedford Massachusetts back in 1988 shallow graves check it out you can go to true crime garage com click on
00:50:47
the recommended page and we will have that listed there for you and for everything through crime garage
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check out true crime garage com and until next week you better be good be kind and don't live
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