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[Music] [Applause] [Music] welcome to True Crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks
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everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music]
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[Music] in the Psychedelic Jazz rock song Riders on the Storm Jim Morrison and the warned
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us that there's a killer on the road starting in the 1950s Americans eagerly built the planet's largest public work
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the 42794 M National system of Interstate and highways before the concrete was dry a
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spectre began hunting the road and his means of travel are very much an important and necessary
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part of his Arsenal the nation murder rate shot up as its expressways were built America
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became more violent and more mobile at the same time these killers and what we call them
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mostly depends on his methods of murder his victims and how he chooses his attack there's The Hitcher the freeway
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killer The Long Hall killer there was Norris and Baker cruising around Southern California and
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a windowless van that they nickname murder ma there was Stark weather the hot rotting juvenile delinquent who led the
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National Guard on a multi-state Manhunt in which the killing of 11 people inspired two indelible pieces of
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American art Bruce Springsteen song Nebraska and Terrence Malik's film Badlands there was the call me God DC
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sniper attacks of 2002 where long-distance serial killers position the barrel of their Bushmaster xm15
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rifle through a hole cut at the rear of a Chevy Caprice to pick off their prey and there was the I5 killer a True
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Crime Story told here in the garage in episodes 313 and 314 back in June of 2019 the story of a homicidal sexual
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predator with an appetite for unspeakable acts of violence law enforcement faced the
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awesome challenge of catching a suspect responsible for committing such ugly crimes crimes that filled Every Woman
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Within his striking range with whr unfortunately his striking range was Interstate 5 and its tentacles spanning
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over 1300 miles in three states California Oregon and Washington leaving a trail of victims along the
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way this week we tell the True Crime Story of an unidentified serial killer a story that at times will share
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similarities with some of the atrocities previously mentioned 20 years after Jim Morrison
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prognosticated that there's a killer on the road this killer hit the pavement this serial killer used the interstate
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system as a hunting ground this is a story of a white knuckled monster seething behind the
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wheel eager to make his appointment but as he's driving the interstate what is driving him to kill he's a dealer of
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motiveless murder a predator with deadly accuracy a coward who killed seemingly just to kill and then vanished into the
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world he disappeared and remains unidentified we have no CAG monster to point to and say that that did this
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instead we only have a moniker the I70 killer this is true crime [Music] garage Interstate 70 or I70 is a major
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East West interstate highway in the United States that runs from Utah to Baltimore Maryland I70 approximately
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traces the path of old US Route 40 East of the Rocky Mountains and it runs through or near many major cities
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including Denver Topeka Kansas City St Louis Indianapolis Columbus Pittsburgh and
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Baltimore I70 is 2,151 miles long and some of those major cities that we just mentioned will be
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important to this week's case especially Indianapolis Indiana where we will start
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off this takes place on Wednesday April 8th 1992 we have 26-year-old Robin folder
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she's working she's going to be helping out a friend at work the friend was not feeling well and Robin told the coworker
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hey no problem I can come in and cover your shift today Robin worked at the palis Shoe Source on the East End of
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Indianapolis Indiana she was one of only two full-time workers at this location now there were
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a couple of part-time workers there as well but not on this day Robin was a manager PS is an international discount
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Footwear chain that has been around for decades and I believe is still active today yeah boogo there you go now
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because this store was operating with a very small staff this required that at times they run run the store with just a
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single employee and again that will be the situation on this Wednesday this made some of the employees uncomfortable
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the store did not have a lot of problems or issues but did experience shoplifting
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on occasion as most stores do this store does not have any security cameras and at the time the only real security
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measure was a buzzer that would go off when the front door was open notifying staff that someone has either entered or
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exited the store Robin in particular did not like being alone in the store at nighttime and her sister would often
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drive to the store and kind of just hang out with Robin during her solo night shifts but our case is going to start
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out on this Wednesday afternoon Robin working alone now next door to the pals is a Speedway gas station that is still
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there to this day a lady named lri she's working at the speedway she gets a phone
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call from the district manager of the payas store who says hey I've been trying for about 45 minutes to get in
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touch with my employee Robin at the PS I've tried numerous times and no one is answering the phone could you go next
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door and make sure that she's all right lacricia goes next door and she enters the shoe store she does not see Robin in
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fact fact she does not see anyone at all what she does see is an open cash register now she works at a gas station
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so she's very aware of what this could mean so this is enough for lacricia yeah this means trouble she leaves the store
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goes back to the speedway and calls the police saying she thinks that the Payless has been robbed or possibly a
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robbery in progress this of course is going to trigger a speedy response officers of
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arrive on the scene and they are in the store at 2:21 p.m. they find Robin Dead on
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Arrival she was located in the back of the store in a stock room police theorized that the killer took Robin to
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the back of the store either just before or after removing money from the register Marian County conducted the
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autopsy and the info released to the public at the time was that Robin was shot twice the shots were to the right
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side of her head in the back of the head and fired at quote a reasonably close range and from a small caliber gun
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Robin's purse and coat were found in the store and her car found parked outside so police pointed out that this
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made the robbery angle and motive a little strange they felt that if somebody came in there and the sole
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purpose of the attack was for robbery right and it resulted in Murder that this individual would have taken just
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about everything they could get their hands on and it doesn't appear that they did that not just because of her purse
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maybe maybe it's as simple as they didn't see her purse but what we do know is there was $50 left in the
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register so police were very upfront about this here Captain stating this is not a store that they would expect a
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robbery to take place it's not a store that's going to have a lot of cash on hand not a great Target for robbery and
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then to top that off they find $50 left in the register yeah but there's been several people especially like people
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that rob banks often where they talk about you go in the main thing is to have a location that that that there's
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no no security mhm you might only get a couple hundred bucks but your risk of getting caught is so low that you can
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now you just have to duplicate that over and over again right I guess the thing that makes this one extra tricky is the
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murder that's involved right why not as you just pointed out perfectly the security level at this store is terrible
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there there is none we have a single female working by herself that day there's no cameras and it's fairly quick
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that that you can get back on a speedy route out of town as soon as you hit this store the murder makes it weird and
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then I want to talk about the $50 left in the register real quick we've we've discussed this on other robbery
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homicides in the past and one thing that's tricky here is we don't know the details of why $50 was left was it
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something that the killer chose to do or did unwillingly did not know that they did this sometimes you keep the larger
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bills underneath right and maybe it was just overlooked he didn't check there yeah maybe it was wrapped up in a rubber
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band maybe it was taped and we we never hear of you know there was $ 5179 cents left in the register cuz I
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always wonder about that I'm like I can't imagine the person taking the time to scoop all the coins out of the
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register as well I doubt they had exactly $50 in coins in this register but the thing is again
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if the sole purpose of this attack is in fact robbery usually the perpetrator will
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have or Force the employee to assist them in some manner in the robbery meaning tell me where all the money is
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show me is there a safe you know is there any money that that's you've not told me about so usually they're good
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about getting all of the cash that they can because they're threatening the employee to help them figure out where
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all the money is right but then as far as law enforcement goes or a detective goes you go okay well maybe the robber
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just didn't know that there wouldn't be that much money in a store like that so maybe they're not like a highly
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sophisticated robber mhm but the murder makes you believe that the person knew the person working at the store the
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victim right because what we have here is a situation where the murder seems unnecessary for the purpose of robbery
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you could have went in there if this person does not know you boom you stick a gun in the face show me where all the
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money is okay I got the money I'm out I'm in my car I'm heading towards the freeway no murder necessary right show
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me the money the timeline I think here is interesting let's go through this real quick too so we have the police who
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said in the papers immediately that they were looking for persons who had been in
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the store that day to come forward maybe they had seen something or heard something of importance whether or not
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they knew it so anybody that shopped at that store on that day we want you to come forward and speak with us because
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you may have seen something that went down prior to this robbery and homicide yeah no offense of Payless but when I
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was a kid and You' get Payless Shoes which happened several times you would not want to admit to your your friends
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that you had Payless Shoes on you would say maybe you got your shoes from Kmart or Walmart or anywhere other than
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Payless what they really wanted what police really wanted Captain was to speak with a customer involved in the
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last transaction the last known transaction so the last transaction was recorded on the register at 112 PM the
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purchase was for one pair of women's shoes and one pair of men's shoes police were on the scene at 221 this is what
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the time that they say that they found Robin deceased right this is after lacricia went into the store and then
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called it in again this is a robbery and progress call so response time should be
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very quick and multiple units responding to the scene well I wonder if if the last customer was like a ruse I go in
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there I act like a customer I talk to them I'm acting like I'm buying a pair of women's shoes a pair of men's shoes
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if I do that you don't know what kind of customer I was if I was a female or male
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I'm getting into know knowledge of the layout how many people are working because if I come in as a a nice
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respectable customer oh yeah you know how do you like your job do you like working here H it's okay but I I don't
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like working by myself oh you work by yourself she Rings up the order and then that's when you turn on the person and
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so then it doesn't matter that they saw you or talk to you because you know that
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you're going to murder them that's interesting and I tell you why because we actually have a very short period of
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time here when you piece everything together we know we have the last transaction at 1:12 p.m. we have police
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on the scene at 2:21 p.m. so just a little more than an hour later an hour and 9 minutes actually right and it
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doesn't matter how much money you spend in the store cuz you're just taking them
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back anyways and during that hour 9 minutes we have several things that we knew took place all right we have
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lacricia who went to the store and then she calls police so she finds the store empty and the register open now she does
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not go through the entirety of the store but it's very likely that the store was
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empty at that point so let's back this up just a few minutes if you back this thing up let's say 10 minutes 15 at the
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very most between the time lria shows up police arrive on the scene now we're talking about less than an hour and if
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you factor in the words of the manager who called lacricia at the speedway and says I've been trying to get a hold of
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Robin for 45 minutes and no one has answered the phone so that means either Robin was attacked and killed very close
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to that last transaction per that 45 minutes that now puts us at like 140 at the
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latest or the attack is in progress when the calls first start taking place right
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so a small window of time that's key but not only that but the location is going
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to be key here in this case as well and the rest of the cases that we discuss this Payless store is now one of those
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batteries Bulbs Plus store it's a standalone store located in a busy area of town that's one thing when looking
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this up on the map that really struck me as bizarre it seems like there would be
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a lot of activity in this area foot traffic people driving there's a lot of um fast food businesses in this area so
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this store is located in a busy area and right by the Payless is that Speedway that we mentioned right a paint store
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and a car repair place now paint stor is aren't that busy but if you go just past
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those are the immediate businesses if you just go one business past all those you have things like McDonald's Taco
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Bell places that you would expect to be busy even on a Wednesday afternoon Taco Bell Taco Bell M that might be dinner
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tonight paint store car repair place this Payless Shoe Source is at 7325 Pendleton Pike Indianapolis Indiana
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just off of Interstate 70 on the East End of Indianapolis it's just 6.9 miles from Interstate 70
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via Interstate 465 repeat that again how many miles it's about 6.9 miles from Interstate 70
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that's still that's still a distance though so according to my maps roughly a 7-minute drive from I70 now there was a
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witness but what he witnessed well everyone will need to decide the importance of what he saw mhm Jeff
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mayrose he's the manager of the mab paint store said that he saw a man in a green jacket walking down Pendleton Pike
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he said the man carried a long bag and mayrose assumed that he was some type of Hitchhiker or maybe a homeless person he
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said that the man came from the direction of I 465 which intersects with I 73 m south
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of the pike the man in the Green Jacket stopped at May Rose's store I don't believe he went in he repeatedly circled
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the building before sitting on the curb nearby mayose said that the man remained
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there for about a half an hour maybe more staring at the Payless Sho Source across the street and you know rumaging
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through his long bag that he carried the man said mayrose was mumbling talking to
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himself and even giggling at times MH mayrose reported the I'm sorry mayrose reportedly said the man he saw was
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either on drugs or he had mental problems did anybody get a look at any of the items in his long bag no I don't
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there's no reference of that uh what we do have is Jeff mayrose from his view said that the strange man disappeared
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around 2:00 p.m. maybe a little earlier maybe a little later mhm he did say that
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he caught a glimpse of the man calmly trying to hitch a ride going north back to
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i465 he's witnessing this man who's in the area kind of Behaving strangely sitting in the parking lot of his paint
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store he says staring at the pals across the street man disappears for a little while and then he when he reappears
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he sees him he believes trying to hitch a ride back North right which again it's
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eyewitness report so you got to take it a little bit with a grain of salt but the idea too that somebody's going to
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rob um a shoe store being a green jacket with a long bag and then decide to hitchhike after they robbed and murdered
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somebody seems a little odd right seems extremely odd because I want to take this a step further I keep hinting
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around the idea that the the robbery is less a part of this than it than it may be that the murder might be the actual
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motive here and if that is in fact true we don't know but if it is in fact true that means that this individual likely
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showed up to that area knowing their intent was to murder someone and then as you pointed out how dumb would it be to
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say oh I have no way of getting out of here other than my own two feet or my giant Thumb in the air trying to hitch a
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ride out of this area I mean right if he doesn't successfully find a ride or if he can't haul ass out of there fast
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enough on his own 2 feet he could still be standing there near the store when police arrive on the scene at 2:21 p.m.
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but like I told you when I worked in Richmond we had downtown Richmond like the historic district is what they
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called it there's multiple Banks and we started getting robbed all the time like
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all the different banks now my my bank never got robbed they they were having a really hard time trying to catch the
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person because they're they're either showing up with a bicycle leaving with a bicycle or showing up on foot and
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leaving on foot so they knew that the perpetrator had it these different Escape zones but it was so much harder
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for them to catch that's true and this being a busy area with a lot of buildings a lot of businesses and a lot
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of times these businesses and buildings are going to back up to neighborhoods someone I guess could be out of out of
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there pretty quickly or at least uh in an area where it'd be harder to track them down now very sadly Robin folder
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was only 26 years old she was a very kind soul she was intelligent hardworking and a caring person said her
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sister Susan Robin wanted more than anything to get married and start a family only 26 years old Captain
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folder's family later complained to the Indianapolis Star about what they thought were numerous security lapses at
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the business They Carried their concerns to the Payless Executives in the end the
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Indiana Department of Labor cleared the business of any wrongdoing we should point out that the
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police have been fairly vocal that they believe if in fact this Green Jacket man
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was the perpetrator of this murder they believe that he was sitting in the parking lot of the paint store watching
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ing the PS Sho Source store to determine how many employees were there and if in
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fact this killer was seeking a female victim to look and confirm that it would be a solo female worker
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[Music] [Music] all right we are back cheers mates cheers to you Captain cheers to all the people in the back now
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3 days later April 11th 1992 just 3 days later we will have two more victims this is
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Patricia majors and Patricia Smith Patricia major is 32 years old she is the owner of the lbde de Elegance bridal
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shop located at 4613 East Kellogg in witch Kansas we're in a whole different state here Captain I was born in a
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different state Patricia and her husb Mark Majors bought the store in February of
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1991 so just about 2 months earlier he says the store was primarily for her saying that she really enjoyed
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working with the customers and the bridal environment it's important to note that the couple owned both the lbde
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the Elegance bridal shop and the sir Knight tuxedo informal wear shop these were adjacent shop shops located at 4613
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East Kellogg and 4609 East Kellogg well like you said the first crime happened on a Wednesday this
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is now a Saturday a Saturday in April of 1992 we have Patricia Majors she will be
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working with employee Patricia Smith her maid name is trenle Patricia Smith is 23
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years old a nursing student at witch state with plans to eventually pursue Pediatric Care she's a newlywed married
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to Norman Smith for 9 months by this point in our timeline this was the only case and there's going to be a series of
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these the only case involving multiple victims investigators believ the killer was under the impression that there were
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there was only one woman in the store at the time normally Patricia major was not
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in the store on a Saturday at this time the women had stayed past the typical 6:00 closing time so by the time that
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this takes place Captain the store should have been closed but they stayed past the closing time because they were
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waiting on a male customer who had called ahead and arranged to pick up a cumber bun after hours at some point
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after 6:00 p.m. police think that the women opened the door to a man who they thought was the customer that they were
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staying late for do we have a note about this customer do we know if we knew the
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name of the customer we know exactly who he is and and we'll get into that this is going off of police theory that the
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attacker arrives at the store the women let him in thinking he's the customer they've been waiting on then the
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attacker ushers them to the back room of the bridal shop that served as a work area and office and there the man shot
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both women in the back of the head with a 22 caliber semi-automatic firearm the man did steal some cash from the
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register and walked away but not before a brief confrontation with the actual customer who had made arrangements with
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the ladies to pick up this cumber bun after closing time so he arrives at the store thinking he's just going to go in
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and pick up his cumber bun and be on his way right the actual customer arrived to
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pick up the cumber bun and encountered the killer the killer let the man go but this was only because the man refused to
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enter the store the way that this goes down and we do not have this man per se his name and what he says exactly went
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down we have the police statements and the police reports of what they say this man told them it sounds like when he
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encountered the killer the killer tried to get him to come into the store itself
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had he gone in who knows what would have happened I'm guessing he might have done the same
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with this guy dead man yes he may have ushered him to the back room and killed him as well the customer notified police
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wants the killer left so the way that this goes down he does not go into the store he flees the area there is a
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discrepancy of when the call came in to police because it's going to be this customer that calls police and says hey
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something Terrible's going on is he calling from that's what's difficult again we don't have this man's name or
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his direct statements we have what police say he told them right there's a discrepancy of when he called most
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reports stay say that it was over an hour prior to the police arriving I I don't know I don't love that that
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sentence I think it's I think it's confusing it sounds like he called something in and then police didn't
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bother showing up to the scene for an hour mhm it's very likely though that this customer did not know that the
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women were dead in the store he could speculate that but he wouldn't have seen them he didn't enter the store he's has
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no way of knowing that there are two people who have been killed in the back of this store but did he see a gun yes
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because the guy with the gun goes get in the store you first start off by going hey buddy with a gun suck it not going
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in the store you're going to you're going to have to shoot me out here where there might be some
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eyewitnesses or better chance that you're going to miss do not insult the man with the gun but here here's the
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difficult thing well but hold on my point is better to insult him than to follow his directions regardless of how
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this went down Captain the thing that we can say I believe for certain is that there is some time that passes between
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when he encountered the Killer and when the phone call was made and when police arrived on the scene I don't know if
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that means that this man had to go find a pay phone it's 1992 right or if it was one of those
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things sometimes look when you walk into a situation that's terrifying shocking something you're not
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expecting you don't necessarily behave rationally upon witnessing or experiencing that situation this may may
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have just done what came naturally and got back in his car and drove home and then made the call once he was home once
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he had calmed down on the drive home and said there's something going on here I better make sure I report this or the
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fact that he might have had a wedding he was going to that night it was a Saturday he was needing his cumber
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bun what what if he was like w this thing just went down but I got to make it to this wedding I'm the best man in a
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wedding or I'm maybe he continued on to the wedding and pH the police from there
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again he does not know that a homicide is taking place and a double double homicide at that he would in fact though
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provide details to police so that they could put together a composite a composite sketch of the suspect he
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described the man as white 5' 7 in to 5' 8 in tall about 150 lbs with reddish colored or light colored hair and a
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stubble beard police on the scene found Patricia major dead and Patricia Smith was mortally wounded more than an hour
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later again when the customer called 911 to say that he had seen an armed man approaching the store well all the
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victims are roughly in the same age range correct Patricia Smith was taken to St Joseph hospital where she was
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pronounced Dead on Arrival there we have unfortunately her father Bob trenle who
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said I touched her hand as she lay there on the table he's recalling the minutes
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after he arrived at the hospital her husband said quote I was expecting Trish was her nickname I was
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expecting Trish home at 6:15 that night I waited and she didn't show up Norman Smith said quote I thought maybe she had
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a late customer so I called the store and there was no answer Smith said he tried calling again around 700 p.m. but
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when no one picked up he knew something was wrong police interviewed both victim's husbands Norman Smith and Mark
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major after they each drove to the crime scene that Saturday evening but quickly
00:36:10
concluded that neither was connected to the slangs mark major said he reopened the bridal shop shortly after the
00:36:20
murders only to sell it 5 months later he never remarried he said of his wife we had an absolute textbook marriage we
00:36:30
were best friends so it sucked textbook it was a textbook marriage there you go he's saying that it actually took him
00:36:38
about 13 years to fully accept and get through the grieving process but he never really moved on he said he Harbors
00:36:46
no ill feelings toward law enforcement for not catching Patricia's killer this should not be a spoiler alert to anybody
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out there this is not a spoiler because we said in the trailer this is an unidentified serial killer that we're
00:37:02
working with that we're talking about here today now after 26 years Bob trenle father of Patricia Smith said
00:37:13
that he did not expect Patricia's murder to be found in his lifetime 26 years after the fact he's saying this to the
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papers and unfortunately Robert William Bob trenle of to PA formerly of witch passed away on March 15th
00:37:33
2018 well the problem that they're working against is the randomness and if we believe that these two are connected
00:37:41
now we have miles upon miles and cities upon cities where this individual could come
00:37:51
from yes we first started off in Indianapolis Indiana and our second case is taking us all the way to Witchita
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Kansas so let's talk about the location of this store it's located at 4613 East Kellogg Drive witto Kansas and according
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to my maps and directions it's 1 hour 17 minutes drive to Salina now Salina is the most direct location where I70
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intersects it's 93 miles via 135 North or and I'm going to throw this in as an aside because I'm having going through
00:38:36
this case the city of Topeka Kansas comes up several times uh in this case so I'm going to throw this out there too
00:38:45
you could go up I35 to Topeka Kansas this is a 2hour 136 M drive to Topeka Kansas and
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I70 runs right through to paa it's also 10 hours away from Indianapolis that be correct my friend
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let's go 16 days later 2 weeks and 2 days later on April 27th 1992 we have 40-year-old
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Michael Milo maau better known to his friends as Mick he is working and he will be working in his mother's store
00:39:24
this is called Sylvia's suram shop located at 2615 South Third Street in Tero Indiana we're back in the hoer
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state Captain he is the only male to be killed in any of this series of attacks now
00:39:45
prior to starting at the ceramic shop with his wife Sylvia Mick father owned a barber shop
00:39:54
this was called Phil's barber shop for 20 years in the same location it was shortly before the murder that it
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transitioned from the barber shop to this Ceramics store investigators believe that the
00:40:12
killer chose this store because the store's solo woman's name Sylvia's Ceramics so if in fact this killer is
00:40:24
seeking targets seeking stores that are being operated by a single solo worker female
00:40:32
worker this the sign on the store in front of the store indicates that that might be what this killer would find
00:40:40
once he enters the store a woman working solo but what else do we know about this
00:40:46
individual about about his surveillance of these areas that he's going to Rob and potentially murder
00:40:58
somebody well let's let's continue on through hold on a second this is a good point we have eyewitnesses that saw
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him um stalking or peeping Tom or whatever you want to call it running surveillance on on his first location
00:41:16
from across the street so again maybe he picked this location because it's a single a single female name but even if
00:41:26
he was watching the store from a distance there's a the son I believe he has pretty long
00:41:36
hair for a male and so it's possible if he was running surveillance on his next Target he wouldn't have known it was a
00:41:46
man from a distance yes and that's part of the investigator's theory on this particular
00:41:55
case in the series is is that maau or Mick he had long hair and wore a ponytail and he was also a smaller guy
00:42:07
so it's believed that if in fact the killer was watching the store if in fact he could see this man from outside of
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the store through a window or a glass door that if he only saw this man from the back that he may have believed it
00:42:25
was a woman working by herself again that goes to the idea of the name on the sign itself MH that would
00:42:34
indicate a small business a small store operated by owner operated store it he might be expecting to find Silvia inside
00:42:45
working that day again though I think um law enforcement knows this and and but just to kind of state the
00:42:54
obvious they're picking places where you know the register is not going to be filled it's not going to be a big score
00:43:00
financially right but you are going to get a score of of some kind right it's the tradeoff that you
00:43:08
were talking about earlier if you want to make a whole bunch of money you go rob the McDonald's that had served a
00:43:15
billion Big Macs that day M but you're going to encounter five or six employees in the store and probably several
00:43:22
customers at the same time you walk into Sylvia's ceramic shop mhm how much money
00:43:28
are you expecting to get but you're also couple hundred bucks maybe yeah you're also expecting you know what I can watch
00:43:35
the store for 15 20 minutes and and determine that there are no customers inside the store I'm only thinking I'm
00:43:41
going to encounter one employee right now the investigators went as far and they seem pretty firm on this so I don't
00:43:49
know exactly did you grab them how they've pieced This Together mhm but they seem pretty firm on this idea
00:43:58
that that Mick very likely never saw his killer and they believe that the killer
00:44:04
may not have seen the front of Mick or his face until after he had already killed the man this this shot in the
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back of the head thing too has to be something right yes that that it's it's always the same way like like that
00:44:22
that maybe that means they know what they're doing is wrong well you wonder is he too cowardly to have to look them
00:44:30
in the face right before or during the killing you know you you also think it makes sense too we've seen this several
00:44:38
times in other cases where the customers or employees inside a store during a robbery are taken to the back room they
00:44:48
get on their knees and they're shot in the back of the head that's not terribly uncommon right and that is what they
00:44:55
believe took place at the bridal shop suck it nope not going to the back of the room well it's it may be get shot
00:45:03
here or get shot in the back of the room I don't know these are these are horrible situations hopefully and I pray
00:45:09
none of us here or none of us listening ever find ourselves in such situations yeah but the more and more we cover
00:45:15
these cases you know get in the car don't get in the car get in the van don't get in the van you know let me tie
00:45:22
you up don't let them tie you up hey let's play this little magic trick with some handcuffs don't do that you know
00:45:30
it's it's almost like we see time and time again the ones don't that don't follow directions almost throw the
00:45:39
killer off their game because they're expecting these people I got a gun they're going to
00:45:46
they're going to listen to what I say I'm I'm powerful the problem with that though is with that analysis is the the
00:45:53
people that don't survive aren't there to tell us exact what went down especially when we have a killer who
00:45:59
gets away they may they may not have agreed or or gone along with any part of it and ended up right right the same you
00:46:07
know it's it's regardless it's it's it's sad I'm still going with my idea that you asked me to do something suck it
00:46:14
let's just get this done and over with you know I'm not going to be put somewhere to be tortured right or you're
00:46:20
not going to tie me up while you torture somebody else but the best advice that you've given is that don't get in a car
00:46:27
don't if you're already outside don't go in a place that's not outside stay as close to the public or outside as you
00:46:34
possibly can okay this is this is strange because we have the investigators who are very firm on the
00:46:42
idea that Mick never saw his killer that the killer likely never saw Mick's face
00:46:48
until after he had already shot him they say that there is everything to indicate
00:46:55
that Mick was reaching for a small white ceramic house on a shelf when he was shot at close range in the back of the
00:47:03
head this is curious for a couple reasons one could you have a situation where he's busy just stalking a shelf or
00:47:11
moving things around going about his normal business his normal daily routine and the killer comes into this is a
00:47:20
small store comes into the small store you know mixes just one minute I'll be right with you and before he can turn
00:47:28
around boom shot to the back of the head or is this a situation where the killer
00:47:33
came in maybe had the gun concealed and needed just enough time to pull out the gun said hey I would like to look at
00:47:41
this item or could you hand you know how can I help you sir could you hand me that and he turns around and then he's
00:47:47
shot so I don't know why right but I think the customer ruse trick makes so much sense because you could you learn
00:47:55
so much about the store within minutes of being inside and even if another customer came in you just
00:48:03
have to wait them out so you you would know that the store was empty most of these stores have little
00:48:11
dingers on the door so you would know if somebody else came in and you would get the lay of the land
00:48:18
real quickly or within a a couple questions like we were saying before mhm to know that this indiv individuals buy
00:48:25
by themselves and you would think after the the last attack if in fact the Killer really
00:48:32
wants to only walk into a situation or kill in a situation where there's just one employee
00:48:40
working that maybe they go in under the rules of being a customer to confirm right that in fact that there's nobody
00:48:47
else in the in the building itself I don't know how much I believe that that the Killer never saw Mick's
00:48:58
face or that Mick never saw the killer I I again we don't know what information the police have to kind of sound like
00:49:05
they're pretty firm on this idea I question this for several reasons because what I think we're dealing with
00:49:13
here captain and I've I've not really been good at hiding this for at all because I don't want to I
00:49:22
don't know that I think that robbery is the primary motive here I see a series of killings where it sounds to me and
00:49:29
looks to me like killing might be the motivation might be what this guy is after and the robbery is just something
00:49:36
that takes place during this goal of killing I don't think if and if that in fact is true
00:49:44
there's no reason for me to believe that this guy walks into this little store and all of a sudden discovers oh it's a
00:49:52
man working not a woman and then walks out that's a possibility but I think we're dealing with a guy that once he's
00:49:59
made up his mind he's going to strike he strikes so what we have here is we have
00:50:06
Mick maau is shot once in the back of the head with a 22 caliber gun the there was still a small amount
00:50:15
of money in the register so again the robbery motive is very weird here but macau's wallet was
00:50:24
gone however police found 15 in macau's pocket so the killer took the time to take the wallet but didn't check
00:50:32
the pockets his body was discovered by a customer around 4:15 p.m. the investigation seemed Feud it
00:50:42
was as if a ghost had walked in shot the man and then left leaving no trace of himself behind it was virtually and this
00:50:53
is coming from the words of the investigators on this case it was virtually a Cold Case before the end of
00:50:59
the week the killer walks in boom kills the guy leaves no evidence behind and walks out and leaves they've got nothing
00:51:09
to work with well and it doesn't take as just thinking about this I mean if you go to these even small towns to find a
00:51:17
location where there's a strip mall or whatever it wouldn't take you long to I mean a couple passes up and down the
00:51:23
strip mall to to see who who's working who's not working what store has a lot of people what store seems very not you
00:51:33
know not busy during that time well and if you've mastered your ruse as a customer as you and I keep kind of
00:51:40
hinting toward you may not even have to watch the store at all you walk in and if it's not what you want maybe you
00:51:46
leave right you know it's it's it's again it's one of those situations I do believe though if the if everything
00:51:53
seems right to this guy once he decides to strike he strikes now the thing that might turn him off or the thing that
00:52:00
might make him abort this mission is walking in and finding himself in a busy store but if you're in front of a small
00:52:08
storefront a small store and there's one car or no cars you got a pretty good idea what's going on inside those walls
00:52:17
yeah or or you don't like the situation it's as simple as oh I forgot my wallet or you guys have a nice day and you you
00:52:25
walk away your store sucks walk out I I believe that if they would took this composite which eventually they have and
00:52:34
they start connecting these cases together that if they would to ask about other other stores if they saw this
00:52:41
individual in their store they might get lucky with some eyewitnesses you know going into other
00:52:50
stores and it not being in a place that he wanted to be involved with or again you know we have evidence that this guy
00:52:57
is stalking his Target and I think it wouldn't be that hard from a distance to get a lay of the land the location as
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with the others will be important this small store was located at 2615 South Third Street in Tero Indiana this was
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