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picture this you're mother or father for the sake of this week's True Crime Story
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will make more sense from the perspective of the mother it's the middle of summer in Austin Texas and
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it's plenty hot out outside your oldest is your 18-year-old daughter now at this
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age she's your daughter but she's not really a child but she is still not yet a woman she's really still a girl but
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she's finding her way she's just starting to carve out her little place her soon to be well-deserved little
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place in this world she's had some ups and downs but it's really starting to feel like she has put most most of those
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Downs behind her and through her own hard work and dedication to herself she's really starting to put it all
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together but there's this let's call it a large anchor attached to a short chain that's
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wrapped around her throat and it's holding her back she is so close to spreading her wings and finally taking
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flight but that dead weight is holding her down it's her boyfriend and he's a real piece of
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work but to mention work and the boyfriend in the same sentence really just seems kind of
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silly it's funny when you really think about it because this guy does not know the meaning of the word
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work he's a loser and why the heck your daughter hitched her wagon to his star well no one has a
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clue and you didn't like this guy to begin with you knew he was a loser when she first started to bring him around it
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was obvious and she's still with him if she could just wake up and leave this guy
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then she would most certainly be on a bridge to better days but she's 18 and she's in that weird space where
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she's still your daughter but she's not really her her own woman she does not have to listen and
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obey your every command and she's not your only kid you have others younger ones that still
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require more attention regardless of the boyfriend situation everything between you and
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your oldest daughter is good and you are working on each other growing as ladies together and
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separately but tonight she's staying at a hotel with the loser boyfriend because he certainly is not
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welcome in your home morning rolls around and the two of you had plans to go shopping but your daughter doesn't
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show up and now you're angry but it's not the first time that plans have been broken or mom got stood up we'll go
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shopping without her you decide after all she's the one that promised that she'd be home home first
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thing in the morning as this was a special shopping trip mom and her four girls were going shopping in San
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Marcos but your 18-year-old daughter never showed and now it's 15 years later and
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you're still waiting waiting for her to come home this is true crime garage [Music]
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roxan Elizabeth ptto was born on January 3rd 1988 and 18 years later roxan is living
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at home with her mother Elizabeth Harris and her sisters and one brother in Texas
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roxan was the oldest of the five siblings and the family was super close the people close to her called her Roxy
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her sisters and her mom described Roxanne as hilarious sweet funloving maybe a little naive she and her mom
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spoke numerous times a day and everyone who has been involved in this case describes the two as having a very
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special relationship closer than most moms and 18-year-old daughters one of Rox an's friends said that whenever she
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would sleep over at roxxy's house they would hang out on her mother's bed just chatting with Elizabeth for hours
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Roxanne went through some things some difficult things in her teen years and dropped out of McCullum High School in
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her junior year but was slowly working on obtaining her GED now captain from what I've heard in
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my limited understanding of what was going on with the family during her high school years is that Mom and Dad were
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separating and I don't know the details of the divorce but it sounds like there was a
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lot of moving around you know Dad moves mom moves kids are being moved around this might have added some difficulty to
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her high school years and led her to dropping out well a divorce becomes a lot more difficult when you have that
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large of a family and now she's working to get that GED and it sounds like she only had one test remaining a math test
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before she completed obtaining her degree her deal with her mom was that if she got her GED her mom would purchase
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her a vehicle which she was super excited about for now she was taking the bus or would get a ride from Friends
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whenever she needed to go somewhere she was also working two jobs on that summer
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roxan had enrolled in the Goodwill job training program and through that she had obtained an internship at
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Charlotte's Fiesta Flowers on Lamar Boulevard according to the Austin Chronicle for which the journalist
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Jordan Smith extensively covered Roxanne's case quote everyone loved working with her said flower shop owner
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Charlotte waycott she was just such a sweet and nice person when the internship ended Wayne Scott hired roxan
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as a paid employee according to her case worker Rox an hoped that one day she might be able to have her own flower
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shop she also aspired to get into fashion perhaps being a designer but for now roxan picked up a second job at the
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Census Bureau so she's really working things out here in my opinion Captain she's got two jobs she's trying to
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finalize this GED she certainly has some short-term and long-term goals now even though
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roxan was technically an adult she's 18 she was still dependent on her mother living at home and she had just got off
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of her mother's cell phone plan and recently purchased her own cell phone and was working towards saving money and
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establishing good credit she spoke with her mom and her sisters constantly this would be via text or phone calls anytime
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that she wasn't at home she stayed in close in constant communication with Mom and the sisters now at this time on our
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timeline the summer of 2006 roxan had been dating a guy named Lewis walls for about 2 years the timeline of their
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relationship is a little foggy and this is coming from the people that knew roxan the best but the best we can
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figure out is that it's roughly since she was 16 that she had been dating this guy it sounds like it started off pretty
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casual in the beginning and then got pretty serious at some point now Lewis walls he's bad news and he's bad news
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from the get-go Roxanne's mom said that she never approved of him and he was not
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allowed in their home according to the Mother Elizabeth Lewis was abusive and violent
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in fact there was an incident where Elizabeth and some of her younger daughters had just by chance come upon
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roxand sitting at a bus stop across town down from their home wearing big giant sunglasses when she got in the car they
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saw that her nose was severely injured roxan lied to her family and said something accidental had happened to
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her it looked like she got beat up by her boyfriend but the story that she was going to tell is that some guys were
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harassing her and her boyfriend Lewis decided to defend her and this broke out into a fight and
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during the course of the fight that roxan and accidentally got hit in the face but some of her very close friends
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seemed to know the truth and after roxan disappeared her friend Elizabeth Ellis told Roxanne's mother that actually
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Lewis had punched Roxanne in the face and broken her nose so badly that roxan had to have Sur y to repair the damage
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how old was Lewis well Lewis is quite a bit older than roxan and that does not help the
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situation for anybody to try to like this guy it's a little weird though here Captain because the waters are very
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murky and it sounds to me like roxan and her friends and family were not fully aware of this guy's age when they first
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started dating right so from my understanding it sounds a little happen stance that these two
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met and I'll just go ahead and cut through it right now but he was like in his late 20s when they met well he's
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probably showing up to high school parties so of course it should be it should be kind of happen stance right
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they probably shouldn't be running in the same circles if she's 16 and he's in his late
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20s but from my understanding they meet each other and it sounds like most of her close friends and family seem to say
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that roxan was not fully aware that this guy probably lied to her in the beginning he did say he was an adult but
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it sounds like Brock San thought that this dude was like 19 or 20 and most of the people seem to agree that this guy
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is younger looking and did even kind of pass as 19 or 20 when they first met this guy but again in the beginning of
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their relationship it was extremely casual they were dating and this would be for about 6 months so it wasn't like
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she was bringing him around a lot during this six Monon time period yeah she was
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probably a pretty naive 16-year-old when they started dating but at some point when she turned 17 18 knowing the age
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difference that's either something you need to be explaining to your parents or you need to be cutting off ties with
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this individual yourself and of course after this incident with the broken nose and the nose
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surgery of course her mother Elizabeth and her family they're doing their best or at least what they could to try to
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keep Roxanne away from Lewis or encourage her to not be with this guy anymore but since her 18th birthday in
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January of 2006 as we said in the trailer she's now an adult technically she's an adult and sometimes she's going
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to go out and do what she wants to do hang out with who she wants to hang out with regardless of what others may say
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well right and she has that right because she has a she's an adult but as a parent these are my rules you live if
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you live under my roof then you have to follow my rules but back to the the broken
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nose even if he's not abusive physically abusive cuz we don't know if that is true or not but even if her story is
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correct and you're but that means you're now hanging out with somebody that's getting into violent altercations while
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you're around and you become uh innocent bystander well and if you're trying to sell the story to Mom and friends what a
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better story to come up with than oh he was defending me you know he's you might
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think he's a bad guy but he was really just doing the right thing here and I ended up getting accidentally hit or
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injured during the course of him defending me the thing here though is we have close friends of hers that have
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come forward and say that look she may have told Mom and her family this one story about this fight breaking out with
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these guys that were rude to her and night in shining armor Lewis defending her yeah but she told them a completely
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different story her her two friends and that involved him punching her in the face so when they met captain my notes
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say that Lewis was 28 years old and he had two kids at that time and at some point of course roxan had to learn of
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this dude's age and of course she becomes aware of these children and in fact there's a a lot of speculation that
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over the course of this 2-year relationship when she's being told to leave this guy by practically everybody
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uhhuh that not only did she seem to love this Lewis character but she probably fell in love with these two children as
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well because it seems like she was helping out a good deal with these kids now Lewis lives at home or from what I
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could find was living mostly at home with his mother and at least his two children seem to be mostly in the care
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of his mother but Rox an's trying to help out with these kids Lewis well they probably rode the bus together is the
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opposite of roxan and what I mean by that is he doesn't seem to be doing anything to get his life together we
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have roxan who's out there working multiple jobs she's trying to line up future better jobs she has goals
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shortterm longterm she's working on on that GED if she gets the GED she's going to get a vehicle from Mom she's got her
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own cell phone Lewis doesn't have his own phone doesn't have a driver's license doesn't have a car doesn't have
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a job what he's got is a girlfriend that seems to be paying for a lot of his stuff and his children's stuff and a mom
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that's helping out yeah which would be fine if you in your late teens and you're in between that high school and
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college or High School real life but he he's 10 years past that and he has two children that he's responsible for and
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then it makes you wonder are these kids primarily with him or technically his mother was he such a
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loser that he corrupted the mother of these children and now she became even a bigger loser than Lewis well the the
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kids seem to be mostly in the care of his mother I don't know what the situation was with the children's no
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that's what I'm saying is like where is she at like did he corrupt her so bad that she's a bigger loser than him it
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sounds to me Captain like most people seem to agree that they believe that roxan probably did not know
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Lewis's true age until about a year into their relationship according to the Austin Chronicle this citing Jordon
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Smith's interview with Roxanne's friend Elizabeth Ellis quote roxan was simply too trusting and too generous roxan
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stayed with walls Lewis walls in part she believes to help take care of his kids his two children to whom she had
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grown attached she would buy them presents at the dollar store dinosaur toys for his son for example and pretty
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accessories for his daughter's hair she'd go to the apartment Lewis wall shared with his mother and babysit for
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the kids by herself when Lewis wanted to go out sometimes overnight she had a big
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heart and was a nurturer says Ellis she was watching the kids when he was going out to see his other girlfriend Ellis
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says that she and Harris tried to convince roxan that she was being used quote she really didn't know how to pick
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him Ellis recall recently roxan was always trying to get Lewis walls to get himself a job to be a man and that's
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something that her mom and I would always tell her you can't tell a man to be a man he needs to just be one but
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roxan would always stick up for him and perhaps lie for him Rox San's junior high school friend Rachel Gonzalez said
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that Lewis regularly cheated on roxan and pushed her around but roxan refused to leave him and instead as so often
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happens pushed her friends away to still be with this guy still in the summer of
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2006 her friends belied that roxan was in fact done with this guy done with the loser Lewis but he would not let her go
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Rachel Gonzales told the Austin Chronicle that the two weren't getting along quote she told me that they were
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arguing she recalls she was trying to leave him alone but he wasn't letting her I said to her just leave don't talk
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to him anymore but you can only tell a person so much let's just State what this wanker is he's a pedophile I mean
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he met her when she was 16 he was grooming her that's one of the big things when you're grooming individuals
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separate them from their friends and their family and and have it where you're their whole existence that's what
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to everybody in the front and in the back cheers to you Captain all right let's start talking about July of 2006
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we have 18-year-old roxan who had been staying with Lewis her then 30-year-old boyfriend for several days at various
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motels around runberg Texas this is a high crime area near the City of Austin or in the city
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of Austin now from my understanding here Captain is that this area this general area of
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runberg they've done a lot to really clean it up in the past several years but a quick check of crime in that area
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and this was studies as of 2012 state that 11% over 11% of the Greater Austin area's crime takes place
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in this space in this runberg area which is only about six square miles wow so that's a good amount now while Lewis
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wasn't welcome in Roxanne's family home it sounds like for whatever reason roxan
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was not welcomed into Lewis's mother's home where she lived with Lewis's two kids so the two of them would have a
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difficult time being together hanging out together spending time together because it doesn't seem like anybody
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wanted the two of them to be together or that's just what he's telling her well so they're hanging out at these Motel
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these are overnight stays over the course of several days now on July 4th God Bless America rockx an stopped in at
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home this was to grab some clothes at her mother's house she talked to her mom daily for the next couple of days as one
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would expect as we said they have a close relationship then roxan called her mother this is around 4:30 p.m. on
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Friday July 7th this was to say hey I'm not coming home tonight I'm staying out one more
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night and her mother Elizabeth said that uh she thought that she had been spending way too much time with Lewis
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yeah well I want you to spend time with him anyway but let's not do one more night here's my problem so if he doesn't
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have a job and she has two jobs but she has some bills and look when you're 18 you're just the jobs that you have don't
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pay that much money where are they staying motel flicky flicky Long Dong Hotel I mean they're they're they're
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staying in crap hotels agreed and you have a couple where only one person seems to have any kind of income and to
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defend roxan here a little bit I I do think she was making pretty good money at the time given her age anyway as you
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said a lot of jobs when you're 18 don't pay a whole heck of a lot no no and I'm not I'm not knocking her what I'm saying
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is when you're 18 your jobs don't pay that well and plus she has these expenses he she has to support him and
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so she's probably paying for these hotels I mean this this guy is just a manipulator a user he should have these
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expenses he just doesn't he just chooses not to have them and I kind of go back to what her friend and her mom were
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saying about you can't tell a man to be a man he just has to be a man and one thing I've always thought here we're
00:29:42
talking about a 30-year-old for crying out loud but one thing I've always tried to tell younger people and even myself
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in my younger days is age does not dictate whether a boy becomes a man you know just because you wake up one day
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and you're eight 18 you're not a man a man is someone that upholds their responsibilities in life and this dude
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certainly is not that yes some boys never become men and I could get past the age thing a little bit not not when
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she's 16 if he was 30 years old and he met a 18-year-old technically that's legal in
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the eyes of the law but if this guy had a job was supporting her taking her nice
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places buying her nice things telling her to go to college I could get past that I can't get past a
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28-year-old manipulating and grooming a minor well and you're exactly right what
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you have here is when she's 16 and leading up to this time of her actually being an adult at
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18 he is in fact grooming her because by this point she's I can't say for certain
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what was going on in the relation relationship at this very day in our timeline in July of 2006 but what's
00:31:04
clear to everyone is at some point she fell in love with this dude and so she was blinded by that love that
00:31:13
affection and so of course she's probably not making the best judgments and decisions at the time because her
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love was blind and unfortunately she fell in love with this loser guy now on this night okay we're at Friday July 7th
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at 4:30 in the afternoon we have roxan calling home calling home to speak with her mother Elizabeth saying hey I'm
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going to be out for one more night and of course we know Elizabeth doesn't love this because she knows this means roxan
00:31:45
spending another night with Lewis who she doesn't like at all but on top of that there's an added urgency to getting
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roxan to come home because they had already agreed that Elizabeth Roxanne and Roxanne's
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sisters they were all going to go on this big shopping trip in the morning and this was kind of a special Tod do
00:32:07
for the group you know it's hard to get everybody together it sounds like Elizabeth and roxan both had a little
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extra money at this time and there were some new stores opening up nearby and they wanted to go check them out
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together so this was kind of an event that was planned in advance and she's a little worried this extra night out
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another night out at the motel with Lewis might mean she doesn't show up for the morning's shopping trip her mother
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Elizabeth says okay fine reluctantly agrees I don't really know that she has to agree for her 18-year-old daughter to
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stay out another night but she accepts it now Saturday morning came and went and roxan never showed up the family
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waited and waited and then gave up up at some point and just went shopping without her they you know you've
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promised these other kids that we're going to go out and have this fun day yeah so now you're out you got to take
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the other kids but her mother Elizabeth obviously is not pleased and in fact she
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was a little ticked off to the point of saying you know what I'm I could reach out to her I could give her the business
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for not showing up today but I'm not going to call her I'm not going to call and bother not going to waste my time to
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call my daughter's cell phone she thought you know what I will let her let her be the one that has to call me and
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apologize or make up some excuse while why she couldn't be on this shopping trip that we had all plan together when
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the family gets home from this trip this shopping trip this is around 4:30 on Saturday afternoon so if you're filling
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out a timeline here this is almost exactly at the 24-hour mark Mark since she has last heard from her daughter
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Elizabeth's phone rings and it was Roxanne's cell phone number that was calling her so Elizabeth
00:34:08
answered it she's thinking all right here come the excuses or here comes the apology for missing the shopping trip
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right but she's immediately surprised when it's not roxan on the other end of the phone in fact she's
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quite surprised to hear that it's Lewis that is calling her a guy that she does not like that probably has no reason nor
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business to be calling her mhm she says and this is Elizabeth's words that Lewis
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did sound concerned he sounded concerned and he asked Elizabeth if she had seen or heard from roxan Recently now as you
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can imagine Captain Elizabeth is very alarmed by this she says no I thought she was with you of course yeah you know
00:34:58
this this is the situation you know she's been staying in a motel with this guy if she's not at home they're close
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you're she doesn't have a driver's license she may have had a driver's license pardon me but I know she didn't
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have a vehicle at this time right so at the very least you're thinking in your mind I don't like this guy but at least
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I know where my daughter is she would either be at home at work one of her two jobs or out with this dude now this
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dude's calling me wondering where she is it's strange it's very strange so this is what Lewis tells Elizabeth on
00:35:30
the phone he says that the previous night sometime around 8:30 p.m. that he and roxan they got into an argument in
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the hotel room hold on because I I'm trying to follow this this is Saturday right so Lewis is calling Elizabeth on
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Saturday asking where roxan is right now he's talking about his story of Friday night the last time he saw her and he he
00:35:57
says this is about 8:30 p.m. on Friday night wow so he's saying hey we had an argument at the motel room the argument
00:36:05
was about an old girlfriend of his or something or other and Roxanne storms out yeah do you know what her name was I
00:36:13
do not skankasaurus Rex she sounds lovely yeah she was a dinosaur of a woman whatever went down roxan according
00:36:21
to Lewis underline that stormed out of the motel room and left walking out walking away from the hotel right Lewis
00:36:32
says hey he tried to go after her but she wanted nothing to do with him finally you would think right he saw her
00:36:40
walking along the service road out in front of the motel and then he says that he saw her make a left again she's on
00:36:46
foot onto Middle Lane so he went back to the room and he says that you know he's
00:36:53
going to try to cool down it was a heated argument he was just going to let her blow off some steam he's going to
00:37:00
chill out in the hotel room wait for her to come back well in his defense right in his defense she doesn't have a car
00:37:10
she you're in a bad area she's probably not going to just take off on foot so she might just pace around a little bit
00:37:18
in the parking lot and come back in yeah this is one of those times when you know
00:37:24
look if you've if you've lived in a city long enough you are aware of the bad areas the bad
00:37:29
parts of town yeah and you just hope and pray and I do this with even people I don't know kids I don't know I hope that
00:37:38
16 17 18 19y old young people that they realize what could happen what can happen when you are in a bad area of
00:37:47
course bad things can happen anywhere right but there's a higher risk level in certain areas now we're talking about a
00:37:56
pretty 18-year-old woman walking around on her own in what we've already clearly laid
00:38:03
out is a high crime area on a Friday night according to again according to Lewis's story well and given her size
00:38:12
should be a lot easier to take control of correct I mean obviously Rick Roode was much easier to body slam than Andre
00:38:22
the Giant so size always plays a factor in these situations I got to point this out too because if I'm Elizabeth and I'm
00:38:33
on the phone talking to Lewis and he's telling me this story not only am I immediately alarmed that my daughter has
00:38:42
gone off on her own on foot he hasn't seemed to seen her overnight now she never returned overnight right but my
00:38:49
mind's also going wait a second this dude's calling me on her phone her phone number was the one that came up on my
00:38:55
phone yeah so did she stor out and just leave her phone that doesn't seem like something that it doesn't seem right a
00:39:01
woman would do doesn't make sense but okay let's give Lewis the benefit of the doubt here if he is in fact telling me
00:39:09
the truth well then that means my daughter went off on her own on foot in a high crime area without even a cell
00:39:15
phone yeah again it could have just been a situation where she gets an argument with him and thinks that she's going to
00:39:25
eventually cool off and come back in that she wasn't going to take off yeah there's a little more to Lewis's story
00:39:31
he says that after some time passed so he says roughly about 20 30 minutes she doesn't return he must have cooled off
00:39:40
or chilled out by that point he says that he went out to go look for her now keep in mind this dude does not have a
00:39:47
driver's license nor a vehicle so he's out looking for her on foot as well so this is roughly let's say like 900 p.m.
00:39:54
9ish yeah that would be correct he says look I I went out there looking for her and I could not find her and
00:40:01
then she never at any point comes back to the hotel room and then he adds when telling Mom the story that oh
00:40:12
Roxanne also left without any of her stuff right but she took her ID that seems like a weird thing to kind of
00:40:20
throw in there but that's what she says that that Louis said you think that'd be
00:40:24
in your purse it's sounds like according to all parties involved that roxan walked away from this motel room if this
00:40:34
story is to be believed wearing a pink tank top white shorts and a pair of flip-flops so normal summer attire
00:40:44
Elizabeth and some of her daughters well they're they're nervous they're anxious
00:40:52
they want to go find Roxy so they all jump into the car and they went down to the area this is the budget in where the
00:41:00
two were staying right off of Interstate 35 mhm this was an area of Austin as we
00:41:06
said called runberg which was to put it mildly sketchy the hotel was basically a
00:41:12
cheapo Motel on a Cy dangerous strip that was known for drugs and even sex work and things of that nature there was
00:41:22
crime going on in and around those streets right Elizabeth was angst to see that area where her daughter had walked
00:41:32
off into the night alone well first of all you like we said she doesn't have a lot
00:41:38
of money so she you know that your daughter is staying the night in these hotels you can't really say much because
00:41:48
she is 18 and and but at some point as the mother then you have to decide how long are you going to put up with this
00:41:55
until you put your foot down and say hey if you're going to keep doing this stuff
00:41:58
you're going to just have to move out well and in Elizabeth's defense with roxan here too we have a situation where
00:42:06
mom probably doesn't fully know exactly what's going on other than what she's being told by roxan so Elizabeth says
00:42:14
she shows up to this area to this place and she's like oh I was kind of under the impression that they were staying at
00:42:20
a nice hotel not some rundown place that's you know a dump near the highway well it's nice to
00:42:28
Lewis but she opened up the door and she's like oh my God it smells like feed in here to Louis it's like Disney World
00:42:36
yeah he's like man it's so nice to be out of my mama's house for the night so Elizabeth and family and friends spent
00:42:43
the next couple of days trying to track down Roxy and of course searching the area around the motel they peered into
00:42:51
ditches and climbed the sides of dumpsters but found nothing nothing no sign of of roxan or where she could be
00:43:00
can we take a step back for a second because okay if we believe Lewis then I applaud
00:43:10
him for calling his girlfriend's mom he knows she don't like me but it's gotten into a point where I have to call
00:43:23
her so I would applaud him for that my big issue is why did you wait till the next day once you go out looking for
00:43:33
her and you can't find her and you know that she doesn't have her cell phone on her so she wasn't able to contct
00:43:43
anybody that she knows there would be no way for her to get to an area of safety
00:43:50
that she knows that roxan knows once you know that around 9900 p.m. that's when you
00:43:59
call you don't hesitate and wait till the next morning well he's likely calling it this time because he knows
00:44:07
that the parents her mother being close with roxan her family being close with her at some point they're going to come
00:44:13
looking for roxan and the longer I delay telling anybody that I think she's missing or or at least throw out there
00:44:22
the possibility that I might be worried or concerned about her the worst this is
00:44:26
going to look for me later so at some point yeah he decides I got to reach out to Mom I got to reach out to her family
00:44:34
and see where she is now the other thing that goes down here too and I've seen several different reports about this and
00:44:40
I I don't know in all honesty which one is the most accurate but some Reports say that that day that later that night
00:44:49
this is after Roxanne's Mother Elizabeth shows up on scene with her daughters actively looking for
00:44:57
roxan some Reports say that it was that night and other Reports say that that it
00:45:01
was the next day but regardless what we do know that did happen is that both Roxanne's Mother
00:45:10
Elizabeth calls Austin PD to report roxan as missing and she also convinced Lewis at
00:45:19
the same time she says no you got to call as well because according to your story and what you told me on the phone
00:45:28
you are the last person to see her so we need you to call this in as well so kudos to Elizabeth for sounding the
00:45:37
alarm so police received two calls both of them for the purpose of filing missing persons reports on roxan and the
00:45:46
police responded they looked around for roxan when they showed up in the area they did
00:45:51
make some inquiries but of course this is the situation they assume that the young adult 18 years old gets in a fight
00:46:00
with their boyfriend they've probably seen this story a million times everybody anybody who's watched cops
00:46:05
knows that that show is just filled with calls of of boyfriend and girlfriend yelling and screaming at each other and
00:46:12
a lot of them one of them takes off in the middle of the night so after all we do have Lewis who's admitting to
00:46:20
police and to Mom that yeah we got into an argument and then he's saying that roxan stormed off after this
00:46:28
argument dur during the course of and Elizabeth stressed to the detectives to the officers that responded saying look
00:46:37
there's no way I don't care what you think happened I don't think you I don't care if you think that she's just going
00:46:43
to go somewhere and hide out and stay away from this guy but she would have come home she would have figured out a
00:46:49
way to get home she would have contacted me at the very least to to call me tell
00:46:53
me what's up and to talk that off she would have never have left without her purse her phone and these are all things
00:47:00
that lwis was saying that roxan had left behind in the motel room just going to play devil's advocate here for a second
00:47:08
it is possible though get in a fight you're at a hotel I'm guessing their door doesn't go
00:47:15
to a Lobby or go to some fancy area their door probably goes outside that she storms off and she goes
00:47:25
into the parking lot and she doesn't leave with anything but her ID and and the reason why maybe I'd buy
00:47:35
the ID if he can if if there was to Hotel keys if there was two Hotel keys and she left with her ID and a hotel Key
00:47:47
I could buy his story a little bit more yeah that's one thing I questioned myself as well here Captain I couldn't
00:47:53
find anywhere anybody stating whether she she or Lewis even claiming if she left with a hotel key or not and I'm
00:48:02
guessing the way that it's described that this might be a an actual physical key uh for her to get into the motel
00:48:11
room that they were staying not one of the little plastic credit card keys I'm just guessing now the other major red
00:48:18
flag here though is going to be a few days after roxan disappears this is when Lewis finally brought back Elizabeth
00:48:27
brought to Elizabeth sorry Roxanne's things this is 5 days after she had gone missing on the 12th of July he comes
00:48:36
over he hands her a bag of clothes Roxanne's phone Roxanne's jewelry her toothbrush and makeup and her pink purse
00:48:45
saying these are the items that she left behind when she stormed off immediately
00:48:50
her mother and roxan sisters were concerned when they saw the the stuff that Lewis brought back of course it was
00:48:58
her phone and it was her pink purse but in regards to the clothing immediately this wasn't like
00:49:09
okay more time goes by and they start to get concerned and then noticed this this
00:49:13
was immediately they noticed that the clothes they were given none of them believed that they belong to roxan at
00:49:21
all and in fact her sisters swore that they knew every article of Roan's clothing because her and her sisters all
00:49:29
kind of shared clothing even you know fighting arguing over clothes at times the way that sisters will do and not
00:49:36
only was this stuff that they said was not Rox wasn't her style wasn't something that she would wear but it's
00:49:43
also stuff that's all the wrong size and rox's purse still contained her wallet and her ID is missing further
00:49:53
that wallet did contain some items that the family observed with horror these were Roan's Rings according to her
00:50:02
mother Elizabeth quote even when she went swimming that girl wore accessories why on Earth would roxan take off all of
00:50:10
her jewelry and leave it behind and then storm off into the night as you pointed
00:50:15
out Captain she's leaving with if we are to believe Lewis she's leaving with no money no phone and in an unsafe and
00:50:23
unfamiliar area my answer would be that she wouldn't and that Lewis is probably not really
00:50:32
telling the truth here regardless of my feelings what we do know is that this story that Lewis is telling it does not
00:50:41
sit well with Rox San's family I I hate to play devil's advocate for this giant pile of dog you know but is it
00:50:50
possible she took off her rings why why would he return these items if they weren't hers no one's
00:51:00
questioning the Rings mhm it sounds to me like they're concerned that the clothing returned was I understand the
00:51:08
clothing and maybe he maybe this son of a returned uh skankasaurus Rex's cloth clothing to the wrong house
00:51:15
several days after she goes missing he's still in contact with the family then he
00:51:20
takes every item that he claims that she left behind look within seconds you can
00:51:24
explain way certain things somebody says well she that girl would swim in her rings well maybe she took a shower maybe
00:51:34
she was put it on lotion and she took off the Rings as they were in a fight and then she got pissed off and she
00:51:40
walked out of the room every little thing that they're pissed off about you can explain away within seconds he he
00:51:49
returned the cell phone he returned clothes oh well we don't recognize those clothes she stayed a lot over at ls's
00:51:57
house before there was confrontation and she wasn't allowed to stay there so is it
00:52:03
possible when they were at these hotels did they go buy clothes and she didn't take a bunch of clothes with her or did
00:52:10
she just get clothes from ls's house and then they went and stayed in these hotels I I just think you can explain
00:52:16
away some of these things that they don't like of course you can you absolutely can does become a little
00:52:22
difficult that the clothing size is not seem to match up but you're right you can't explain some of these things away
00:52:30
the problem though being it's been five days you've not seen her nor heard from her and this suspicious activity
00:52:38
continues and a lot of it is circling around one dude and I want to make sure that we're not painting the wrong
00:52:45
picture here because this is not Lewis spending 5 days with these women trying to look for roxan no he has very very
00:52:55
limited communication with Elizabeth and the sisters right so much so that yeah he
00:53:02
called Elizabeth yeah he agreed to file a missing person's report but other than
00:53:08
that 9:00 time that he says he went out and looked for her for a little bit and couldn't find her nobody else is saying
00:53:16
that he was actively looking for roxan any other point ever that he was assisting Elizabeth and the sisters
00:53:24
looking for roxan no he wasn't in fact that he was so limited access to Roxanne's
00:53:32
family that even though he says hey she stormed off and left all of this stuff here he wasn't available to give them
00:53:38
that stuff until 5 days later and when he shows up with it it's not a meeting of the minds it's oh here's a bag of
00:53:45
your sister's stuff right peace out and then you open up the bag after dude leaves and the items in there are not
00:53:54
checking out with what you know about your sister my biggest problem with Lewis is the hesitation to call
00:54:01
especially her being in that area you know what she doesn't have on her you don't hesitate you don't hesitate that
00:54:08
long to call so what's going on hold on a second how the hell did they get to the hotel in the first place well
00:54:14
there's public transportation in these cities well no I understand that but I'm saying do we do we know how they did it
00:54:20
did they take a bus did they get a cab did they you know because neither one of them
00:54:26
Drive correct they're both known to frequent the bus note to all the little ladies out there if you if your
00:54:33
boyfriend asks you to spend the night in a hotel and you have to take a bus to get there don't don't do it tell him to
00:54:40
save his money or save your money so you can get a car yeah she's probably paying
00:54:44
for the motel room now in the meantime of what's going on I want to make sure that everybody understands what's going
00:54:50
on here again saying he's not actively out looking for roxan as far as we know right there's no one to say that that's
00:54:58
what was going on again look even if the family doesn't like me if I supposedly love this woman and she's missing I'm
00:55:07
going to be bothering them saying hey how can I help what can I do I'm going to be out there actively looking if he
00:55:13
was that is not known to anybody other than Lewis but what we can tell everybody and what we do know is the
00:55:21
following Lewis checked out of that motel room this was before reporting roxan missing
00:55:29
to her mother on Saturday afternoon so roxan never shows back up he went ahead and checked out of the motel room and
00:55:38
leaves leaves the immediate area he's at his sister's apartment this is a Walnut
00:55:44
Creek complex is what I have in my notes and he supposedly took Rox San's things
00:55:50
with him to his sister's apartment then calls her mother to say hey by the way your daughter stormed off I don't know
00:55:59
where she is now by the time the Austin Police got around to checking the motel for anything suspicious well it seems
00:56:05
like it was far too late for one thing the motel records were a mess as you can imagine in this type of area they're
00:56:12
just happy that someone rented the room good luck keeping tabs on everybody and probably often charging cash rather than
00:56:22
any kind of paper trip yeah cuz then that way the person that's working the desk can just pocket the money as said
00:56:29
the motel records were a mess it was the kind of place where where I guess you could get rooms by the hour and as you
00:56:38
pointed out Captain a lot of people probably paid under the table some clerks kept records some didn't
00:56:44
detectives believed that they figured out which room roxan and Lewis had shared but by the time they took a look
00:56:51
at it days had passed and it had been cleaned and reoccupied several times think about that statement okay one it's
00:57:00
disappointing that detectives weren't in that room faster looking for evidence looking for things that could help lead
00:57:07
them to roxan I get that but within that same statement is something that's even more alarming
00:57:16
that's not super obvious detectives believed they figured out which room roxan and Lewis had
00:57:23
shared that means Lewis is not cooperating with the detectives he's not helping them he's not providing
00:57:31
information to them to even tell them this was the room we were staying in God I I hate this I hate this case cuz I
00:57:39
keep feeling like I'm defending this dick I love that you start off by saying I hate to play Devil's Advocate but here
00:57:45
I am doing it for the Dozen for for the 10th time today yeah but we that's what we're supposed to do I think you enjoy
00:57:52
it no I mean that's that's why we're here here is here's this case this girl went missing this guy seems like a giant
00:57:59
bag of turds my question to this guy would be does he just not remember the room number and I know that seems like
00:58:06
uh like something you would remember but they've stayed in multiple hotels a couple days later I don't have a great
00:58:14
memory if somebody said well where did you what was your room number I'd be like I I don't remember but can you take
00:58:20
us there I think so you know what I mean so the fact that they stayed in multiple
00:58:26
hotels leading up to all this again I I hate to say that I don't think that's as
00:58:32
suspicious as people are making them out to be but what is suspicious is that he's not cooperating with the detective
00:58:39
but how do we know that because they have they have no clue what room that they stayed in yeah but if he doesn't
00:58:45
know then he can't tell police so it's not there that's not evidence of him not being cooperative if they came out and
00:58:52
said hey we asked Lewis and he said I don't remember and I don't give a or I remember but I'm not telling you
00:58:59
that's that's being uncooperative or they're calling Lewis and he's never answering the phone or never calling him
00:59:05
back which I believe is probably the case and I have every reason to believe that he is fully aware of where they
00:59:12
stayed the room that they stayed in I believe he's not being cooperative because he's got a lot to
00:59:18
hide either he did something or he knows a lot more than what he's saying and I think think it's easy to see this and go
00:59:27
yeah he probably does know more than what he's saying because he ain't saying anything so it's difficult for me to
00:59:33
believe that when you are reporting your girlfriend missing within 24 to 48 hours
00:59:40
of the last time that you saw her think about that he checked out his words the morning after he last saw her so that
00:59:50
means within 20 to 30 hours of the time that you checked out of the hotel room you don't know what room you stayed in
00:59:58
if it's somebody that I truly cared about if if I'm contacted by police or talking to police and I say this is the
01:00:04
last time I saw soand so what room did you stay in I can't remember if it was 318 or 308 maybe it was 218 I can't
01:00:13
remember I I'd be happy to meet you guys there or could you pick me up and we'll
01:00:18
go over there and I can look maybe if I see the door or walk to it I can walk to
01:00:23
the door and show you where we stay but also what we're assuming is that she paid for the room so she got the room
01:00:30
number told to her she grabs the keys they walk down she might never told him we're staying in this room you know
01:00:39
other than leaving uh for 30 minutes to look for her and I'm I'm sure he didn't go that far it's amazing he found his
01:00:49
way back to the hotel room to begin with like a lost puppy he had no idea where they were staying well it might have
01:00:55
been on the key I'm just saying that especially somebody that stayed in multiple hotels I don't it's possible
01:01:02
that you wouldn't remember and I and I would just like to know what the conversation was between him and police
01:01:10
well let's get into Lewis's background here to put it bluntly he's a thug he've been involved in criminal activity for
01:01:19
years he has a record dating back to 1995 for felony like robbery burglary and drug dealing he has been in and out
01:01:28
of prison multiple times Austin Police Department detective James Scott who is now working Roan's case told the Austin
01:01:36
Chronicle quote Lewis among his peers is an idiot I mean you can look at his criminal record and tell he's not the
01:01:45
smartest criminal out there end quote the chronicle gives an example in March of 2005 Lewis was arrested AG ageing to
01:01:54
sell three rocks of crack cocaine for $50 unbeknownst to him he was selling three rocks of cracked cocaine to an
01:02:04
undercover Austin police officer who had offered him a ride to runberg well we've
01:02:10
heard of that place and it turned out that the crack was fake so Lewis got off with only a 120 day jail sentence but
01:02:21
selling fake crack to a real cop not so bright Lewis's crimes weren't just drug related two of his exes had
01:02:30
taken out restraining orders against him and Lewis had been arrested for violating one of those restraining
01:02:35
orders as we know Lewis was 28 when he started dating 16-year-old roxan it seems he preferred younger girls
01:02:44
although another of his exes was also underage when they were together Elizabeth Harris Roxanne's mother
01:02:51
considers him to be a pedophile there are rumors based on some things some of his exes have implied that Lewis tried
01:02:59
to get some of his girlfriends to sell their bodies for him that he tried to pimp them out now according to Roan's
01:03:10
mother Lewis was a bragger and a poser a wannabe big man she said he boasted of being a member of the Bloods street gang
01:03:20
but that he was most likely only marginally involved basically a small Small Time crook but still Big Time
01:03:27
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