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subject to credit approval C store or ashley.com for details John B Ramsey she was strangled
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with a cord Little Miss Colorado 6-year-old murder victim John Ben Ramsey unknown
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Intruder her [Applause] brother victory Ramsey oh my God they still have not interviewed the
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parents I Didn't Do It John Ram didn't do it and we didn't have a clue of anybody who
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did my life has been H from that day forward and I want nothing more and to find out who was responsible for
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this there would be very few little girls as famous as Blonde six-year-old John Benet
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Patricia Ramsay she was born in Atlanta Georgia on August 6th 1990 to parents John Bennett Ramsay and Patricia an
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ramsy her name as unique as it was was a combination of her father's first and middle names her Father John was a
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wealthy businessman and her mother py was a former beauty queen John Ramsey was a smart calculated and determined
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man he graduated from Michigan State University in 1966 with an electrical engineering
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degree 5 years later a master's in Business Administration from MSU John was married before he and his
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first wife had three children Elizabeth Melinda and John Andrew but the two divorced in
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1978 on November 5th 1980 he married what many considered to be the woman of his dreams 23-year-old Patricia Anne paw
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yeah better known as Patsy paty attended West Virginia University and graduated with a ba in journalism in
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1978 just a year before she won the Miss West Virginia Beauty title in 1977 on January 27th
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1987 paty gave birth to the couple's first child Burke Ramsey then three and a half years later they welcomed their
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second child John Benet in 1991 the family moved to Boulder Colorado for Jon's business access Graphics a little
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background here John was extremely hardworking and driven he was an entrepreneur he started a computer
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company in the 80s eventually his company and two other companies merged in 1988 this formed access Graphics the
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company was then sold to lock keed Martin in 1991 John became the chief executive
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officer and president of access Graphics thus sparking the family to set up shop
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in beautiful Boulder Colorado the ramsy purchased a 7,000 ft home the address 7551 15th Street
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Boulder Colorado the home was purchased for $500,000 some reports State the home is
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11,000 square ft but I believe that would include maybe the basement balconies and other areas we all know
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how the real estate listing Game Works they also did a very extensive renovation on the property as well
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speaking of which I will do my best impression here it's a beautiful red brick tutor style home built in 1927
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there are four floors including the basement the basement is made up of a series of small rooms the home features
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two staircases one traditional and one one spiral there are five bedrooms Burke and John benet's rooms are located on
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the Second Story Johan's room is complete with its own bathroom and balcony the master suite is above the
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children's rooms located on the third story The Ramsay paty in particular loved this house the ramies were riding
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pretty high but unfortunately life is often a series of Peaks and valleys sadly on January 8th 1992 John Ramsay's
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oldest daughter from his first marriage Elizabeth Ramsey was killed in an automobile accident in Chicago Illinois
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she was just 22 years old on December 23rd 1992 the Ramsay purchased a 1,731 ft vacation home in charoy
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Michigan for $336,000 for those unfamiliar this is an absolutely beautiful area Northern
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Michigan Right Along Lake Michigan absolutely gorgeous in June of 93 paty Ramsey is diagnosed with breast cancer
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for this she will receive exams at the charoy community hospital and treatments in Maryland now we're going to go
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through a pretty thorough timeline for the ramsy family some of these events may seem trivial however given the crime
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that we know is going to occur these items were included in this timeline because of the possibilities and the
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suspicions surrounding this case in 1994 7-year-old Burke hits his little sister Jean Benet on the cheek with a
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golf club well and let's be clear this is not a situation where Burke decided I don't like you and I'm going to smash
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you in the face with a golf club this was purely an accident this wasn't like the time my brother hit me in the back
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with a baseball bat because he was trying to kill me I questioned this at first glance
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because we do know that children siblings will fight with one another and they can be quite vicious at times plus
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when they're very young as they would be in this situation it's an impulsive thing to pick up a club and hit your
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sister or your brother with it because they did something mean to you first and Burke only being 7 years old he wouldn't
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be thinking if I hit her in the face with a golf club I could possibly kill her right this could have lasting
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consequences however everything that we could find only indicates that this was just an accident and believe it or not
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in my own life I have experienced a situation where one of my friends accidentally hit another friend in the
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face with a golf club in the face on the back swing because the person was standing too close as the other person
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was taking a swing we don't have the details of this specific accident however again everything indicates that
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it was just that an accident right but it it was pretty vicious because John B would be left with a scar a short time
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later John B underwent plastic surgery at a surgeon in Denver this to correct that scar on the left cheek from the
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golf club incident in December of 1994 the Ramsay's giant beautiful home is one of just seven homes in the area
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to be included in the historic homes for the holidays tour this is important for a few reasons
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mainly this means that approximately 1,500 people will participate in a tour of the Ramsay's property and the house
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in April of 1995 4-year-old John Benet Ramsey wins the Colorado State Allstar kids pageant now she will participate
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and win several pageants I'm not going to go through all of them Captain frankly when researched well you get a
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bunch of different information so I will just stick to the ones that I can confirm or at least have double
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checked October of 1995 was a happy and exciting month for the Ramsay family John Benet was crowned Little Miss
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Colorado Sunburst and John Ramsey was the winner of the entrepreneur of Distinction award yeah but to be clear I
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don't think like her whole family was revolved around her winning something I think it was nice when she won and they
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devoted a lot of time doing it but I don't think it made the family's year if she got some award regarding John
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Ramsay's business keep in mind axis Graphics is doing very well and the company is growing in sales and staff
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quite rapidly then it was paty's turn to receive some recognition this came when
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the April 1996 issue of women's magazine profiled paty Ramsey this article of course will include a lot of her person
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personal information but also a lot of personal information about John and the kids then in July of 1996 John Benet won
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America's Royale tiny miss the following month she finishes second in the Sunburst National Pageant this pageant
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was held in Atlanta Georgia on Saturday November 30th John Ramsey host a surprise 40th birthday
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party for his wife of 16 years and this is truly a surprise as her actual birthday is not until December
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29th this was a big 40th birthday celebration for py held at The Palace Hotel in Denver there's a lot of
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speculation though that she was not looking forward to this time and was actually very upset about turning 40
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then on December 6th during the lights of December parade John Benet appeared on her own little miss Colorado float
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this is an annual Parade Where Spectators enjoy floats created and decorated by local businesses churches
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and Civic groups the parade often includes marching bands fire engines holiday carolers and an appearance by
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Santa Claus this takes place in downtown Boulder in 1996 Burke was in this parade
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as well on Friday December 13th there is a big holiday party at the ramsy home this is attended by more than 150 of
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their friends from church so again just pointing out another event at their house with a lot of guests so what we
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are quickly learning is this is a house that has many people who have been in and is often opened up to many guests
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over just the few years that they have owned the home right 4 days later on the 17th the six-year-old was crowned
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Colorado's Little Miss Christmas this this is one of the larger pageants that she has participated in
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and certainly an achieving moment and in hindsight really kind of just an eerie weird thing that John Benet would be
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named the 1996 Little Miss Christmas now we don't have a date but I want to make
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sure that we include this here there is a report that this took place sometime in December of 96 and this comes from a
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statement to law enforcement at some time in December John Benet tells a gardener this is
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Brian Scott about her Father John Ramsey she says I really miss him and I wish he was around more yeah he's
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working pretty hard probably traveling a lot and later reported that his net worth at this time would be roughly 6.4
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million December 20th was a busy day for the ramies on two fronts one access Graphics had a luncheon party and a
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celebration for more than 300 employees at the hotel Boulderado and two John Benet participates in a school
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performance at High Peaks Elementary School py attends the performance the access graphics cunon and the
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performance at the school are going on at the same time so py is not present for the business celebration because she
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is at the school now it's important to keep in mind that one of these events could be tied to John B's death for any
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number of reasons truth be told none of us really know for sure here is an excerpt from the book death of Innocence
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authored by John and pany Ramsey in the book John says early in December 1996 Tom Carson came to my office John I want
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you to look at these figures I looked up at him standing at the door with a handful of papers as best as I can tell
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we're going to hit the billion dollar sales Mark in a couple of days it's a big milestone a billion dollars my mouth
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dropped I know we were close but I didn't think we were there yet it's on top of us he smiled probably in a couple
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of days I think we should do something to celebrate I agreed and for no other reason than to congratulate our
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employees a billion dollars in sales and 600 employees worldwide was a big milestone for
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Graphics one of our public relations people thought we should also contact the newspaper to announce our
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success I had a gut reaction that the press release wasn't a good idea I didn't want that kind of visibility
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outside of the business still I agreed since our employees deserve the recognition now I wonder if this
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publicity might have attracted the attention of the killer or further irritated the person if he or she had a
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grudge against big business access Graphics or me note John's memory of this party in the book states that the
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luncheon was held on December 16th according to the Daily Camera business magazine this celebration was held on
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December 20th John did a phone interview regarding the company's success and on December 21st the Daily Camera business
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magazine publishes the article on axis graphics reaching $1 billion in sales all right so why are we going with
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December 20th and not December 16th that's a good question we have a couple of reasons for that one we know that the
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luncheon and the school performance occurred on the same day we have statements saying that the performance
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the school performance was on the 20th and we also have the fact that the Daily Camera business magazine article
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comes out that same year I mean just the day after the party John's book does not
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come out until years later and he's going off of memory on December 22nd John Benet Ramsey is going to be in a
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beauty pageant in the Southwest Plaza Mall this is the one that she sings Rocking around the Christmas tree and
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she has a toy saxophone sometime in late December the ramsy family sent out their
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annual Christmas card with the Ramsay family updates for their loved ones the 1996 Christmas newsletter reads as
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follows dear friends and family it's been another busy year at the ramsy household can't believe it's almost over
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and time to start again Melinda 24 graduated from Medical College of Georgia and is working in pediatric ICU
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at Kenny Stone Hospital in Atlanta John Andrew 20 is a sophomore at the University of
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Colorado Burke is a busy fourth grader where he really shines in math and spelling he played flag football this
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fall and is currently on a basketball beninge his little league team was number one he's lost just about all of
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his baby teeth so I'm sure we'll be seeing the orthodontist in 1997 John Benet is enjoying her first
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year in real school kindergarten in the core knowledge program is fast-paced and
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five full days a week she has already been moved ahead to first grade math she continues to enjoy participating in
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talent and modeling pageants she was named America's Royale tiny miss last summer and is Colorado's Little Miss
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Christmas her teacher says she is so outgoing that she will never have trouble delivering an oral book
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report John is always on the go traveling hither and yawn access recently celebrated its $1
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billion Mark in sales so he's pretty happy he and his crew were underway in the port hon to MAAC Island yacht race
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in July but had to pull out Midway due to lack of wind can you believe that but his real love is the new old looking
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boat grand season which he spent months designing I spend most of my free time working in
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the school and doing volunteer work the charoy house was on the home tour in July and will likely appear in one of
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the Better Homes and Gardens Publications in 1997 on a recent trip to NYC my friend
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and I appeared among the throng of fans on The Today Show Al Roker and Bryant actually talked
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to us and we were on camera for a few fleeting moments we are all enjoying continued good
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health and look forward to seeing you in 1997 one final note thank you to all of
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my friends and my dear husband for surprising me with the biggest most outrageous 40th birthday bash I have
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ever had we'll be spending my actual birthday on the Disney big red boat over the New Year merry Christmas and much
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love the Ramsay I I kind of find this whole ritual that people do with the updating of the families it's kind of
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douchy well I feel like this is a very upper class typical holiday thing update everybody with a newsletter I've never
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and probably will never experience having to put one of these letters together yeah being just a a
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regular blue collar guy myself what it jumps out to me is that episode of Everybody Loves Raymond where they write
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a bunch of really nice stuff about themselves that's not true but here everything that paty and
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I'm assuming paty puts this together as it sounds you know she says I spend most
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of my free time it it really points to her upbringing and how polished and Posh she really is yeah
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and I everything that she has put here is true and it's just it's just interesting to see how the other half
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lives well it just seems like they should get into their douche canoe and paddle down vanity River I've never
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lived far from family and friends so maybe this is more common than what I am aware of on December 23rd this is just
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two days before Christmas the ramsy hosted a Christmas party with approximately 30 guests attending and
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with former journalism Professor Bill MC Reynolds playing Santa Claus MC Reynolds
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was a ramsy family friend probably one of the more alarming details in this timeline during the
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Ramsay's Christmas party M at 6:47 p.m. someone attending the party placed a 911
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call which was answered by police dispatcher theres Hillary the caller hung up without saying anything police
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called back but when they did no one answered and the call was picked up by the Ramsay's answer in machine because
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of this an officer goes to the home at 6:54 p.m. the officer knocks on the door and is invited in and then leaves at
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7:09 p.m. this after being assured that there was no emergency this has made people
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speculate was the perpetrator of this crime at this party and calling 911 to see how fast somebody would respond to
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911 call this is why one of those items that you you look at it and you just go what is going on here because as you
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just pointed out it could mean something very big to this case and to the investigation right if in fact what you
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said and what people have speculated toward is true that means the Killer is at this party but or somebody that
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worked with the Killer is at this party right but you also have a lot of kids running around is it possible that one
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of them just picked up the phone and dialed 911 and then never confessed to it because they didn't want to get into
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trouble there is a guest list that you can find online I have reviewed it myself don't care to go into it here as
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it sounds quite boring to just read off a list of names the other thing I question though too Captain is what kind
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of staff was working this party would we have had people helping out whether it be Caterers or somebody answering the
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door valet and cars you know so it could extend beyond the guest list for whoever
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called 911 I'm with you I think that there's a very likely possibility that with all these kids running around one
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of the older kids wants to do something funny in front of the younger kids and calls 911 you know and gets scared and
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hangs up well and there's two other things some people have 911 on a speed dial so you have people working a party
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to somebody pick up the phone to call this is 1996 they don't have cell phones most people don't have cell phones so
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did somebody working the party go to make a call hit the wrong button and it speed dialed 911 that's something I
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couldn't find information from on the internet the other thing too one of my speculations and we'll have to get into
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this later is it possible that little John Benet Ramsey herself called 911 because something happened at that
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it's been reported multiple ways that the person playing Santa Claus got a tour of the house from John Benet Ramsay
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some people speculate that happened in 1996 some people say that happened in 1995 so Bill MC Reynolds was considered
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a family friend of the Ramsay and someone that he wasn't just somebody that was hired to play Santa Claus they
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they knew this man on some level right he had played Santa Claus at their holiday party before and as you said
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it's a bit confusing on the stories that you hear even over 20 years later where
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some people will say John Benet gave Bill McReynolds a tour of the home at some point during the party on in
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1996 some people say that it may have happened in 1995 we also have a situation where it is said that John
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Benet gave Bill McReynolds a gift and he would say years later that out of all the times that he played
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Santa Claus out of all the parties that he attended as Santa Claus that John Benet was the only child to give him a
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gift again and he's receiving this gift a couple days before her death so that's
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something that obviously would stick out to you other and the only other gift that he probably ever got was like maybe
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a stinky lap from some dirty kid on Christmas Eve December 24th an article appeared in the Daily Camera regarding
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the Ramsay's Christmas party apparently this Daily Camera is just watching and Reporting everything going on in the
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ramsy world during the day on December 24th John Benet played at a friend's home
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this is Megan cck's house and told Megan's mother Barbara about a secret visit from Santa now this wasn't
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just her running up and saying hey Santa's going to visit me there was a discussion had between Megan's mother
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Barbara and little John Benet right Barbara questioned John Benet as to when Santa was going to pay her this secret
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visit because we are on Christmas Eve you can imagine the natural conversation that would be an adult and a small child
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the adult is going to say something to the effect of yes you've been good all year and when you go to bed tonight
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Santa's going to visit you and when you wake up you're going to find all your presents under the tree mhm through this
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conversation what Barbara would learn is that John Benet explains to her no I'm not talking about you know she wasn't
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talking about the traditional visit from Santa Claus as we all know it right duh
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that's already going to happen she says no this is going to be a secret visit after Christmas mhm and of course at the
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time this doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary for Barbara or strange right it would only be until a
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few days later that this is really going to set off some alarm bouss well and that's what's so difficult about this
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case is there's so many little points of you can't even call them evidence just points of speculation that could mean
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everything or could mean nothing at all the other thing too here Captain is I'm sure there's a lot of people out there
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right now that if they did not know of this detail already their mind is immediately jumping to Santa Claus Bill
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MC Reynolds who we just discussed playing Santa Claus at the Ramsay's home on the
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23rd I think that's a natural fit we should keep in mind here though how many Christmas events has this little girl
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attended just in the recent weeks right how many Santa Clauses did she come into
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interaction with we talked about the parade that she attended that she sat on the float the main attraction was Santa
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Claus she could have spoke to a Santa Claus there or just somebody dressed as Santa Claus right or a Santa Claus at
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the mall or yeah the mall pageant that she attended there was the school event this is the second of the Ramsey's
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Christmas parties and who knows how many parties they attended as a family right
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but let's just say that she spent a little more time than some of the kids with the family friend playing Santa and
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he just casually says she she might have said something to him like well yeah I know you're going to visit me on
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Christmas what but what about after that and he's like oh well I'll I'll pay you
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a special visit after Christmas not didn't mean anything but would mean the world to a six-year-old just like the
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911 call that came from the Ramsay's home on the 23rd this mention of a secret visit from Santa Claus after
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Christmas could mean a lot it could mean nothing at all in regards to the investigation on December 24th later
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that day the ramies attended the Twilight service at St John's Episcopal Church in Boulder
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Colorado around 9900 p.m. John Ramsey retrieves a brand new silver girls bicycle stored at a neighbor's home this
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is Joe Barnhill's garage and he places it under the Christmas tree for John Benet and then both John and pany ramsy
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get stashed Christmas gifts out from their basement it's listed here as the basement area and place these under the
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tree as well this is interesting for a few reasons one it shows that at 9:00 p.m. on the 24th both both ramsy adults
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both parents went down into the basement to retrieve these hidden Christmas gifts
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for the kids right their basement as we mentioned earlier is made up of a series
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of rooms there's several small rooms in this basement it's my understanding that
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the large room was more of a play area now given the size of this home I don't know that a designated play area means
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that it was frequented by the children often MH or if it was just a once in a while type thing well their house is
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very interesting to me because it's so large but it's so blocked off in little sections it's almost like a a maze and
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also when you see pictures or video footage when they had the little tours for the houses the Christmas tours their
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house looks immaculate it looks amazing but but when you see crime scene photos of the house it looks every room looks
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like it's in a disarray looks like to me I would say every room needs to be cleaned every room needs to be organized
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based off those pictures so it's a it's a very interesting house couple quick thoughts here before we move on Captain
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often you know this was a home built in 1927 and often when homes are added to over the years they end up looking like
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that where it's a it's a lot of smaller rooms rather than a few giant rooms yeah
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and I also wondered and I couldn't find I I know that there's blueprints of this
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house online and I found like the top floors but I couldn't tell the basement and like you said this house has been
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added on to but a lot of times the basement's aren't added on to so let's say it's a 7,000 ft home well that
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basement only might be500 Square ft the reason why I pointed out that the basement was a series of rooms as well
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as question how often the basement was in actual use by either the parents and or the kids is that my assumption here
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is that the parents are hiding the gifts from their kids they could be possibly hiding gifts from one another as well
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right but just wanted to point out that on Christmas Eve both parents state that
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they went into the Bas basement of that home now I question how often the children would be in the basement
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because we're going to have a lot of questions going forward about a very small room that's well tucked away in
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this basement mhm if the kids don't go down there very often there's no need to hide these gifts to that extent they
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could have just hid them in the quote unquote playroom yeah but it's pretty common knowledge that this room that
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they quote unquote called the wine seller is a room that was unfinished it was to become a wine seller never happen
00:35:35
and that's often where they would hide gifts because that at least that part of the basement we know that the kids
00:35:42
didn't go to so we we have do we have something stating that the the gifts were hid in this wine seller no but what
00:35:52
we have from John Ramsey is when he was explaining to the police police officers
00:35:58
this is you know this is what we call the wine seller but it's not finished yet it's going to be the wine seller
00:36:04
right now it's just used for storage and sometimes we put presents there for the
00:36:09
kids on December 25th 1996 this is around 6:00 a.m. the ramies wake up later in an interview pansy will say it
00:36:17
was 6ish probably the rams's John paty Burke and John Benet will partake in the normal Christmas morning activi
00:36:27
exchanging and opening gifts breakfast and you know Captain I feel like the Christmas morning cup of coffee is the
00:36:35
best one of the year I love when the parents stop everything and say look we're not opening up anything until I
00:36:42
get my first cup of coffee right right make them wait at noon John is going to leave the house this is to go and check
00:36:50
on the airplane keep in mind they have a planned flight for early the next next morning mhm sometime between 2: and 300
00:37:00
p.m. John Ramsay returns to the home from checking the plane so the family with the exception of John leaving for a
00:37:09
bit this is pretty much just a really great Christmas Day at home now you had touched upon something just a few
00:37:17
minutes ago where you said when you see the crime scene photos that the house is
00:37:23
in disarray that it's just a mess well first off with my standards with two young children in the home and having a
00:37:31
big Christmas I would say a big lavish Christmas because the parents have all kinds of money and they can buy these
00:37:38
children all kinds of stuff one would anticipate to see a mess especially when they're not hosting anything you know
00:37:47
they've already hosted their Christmas get together one would expect to see a mess however I do want to point out that
00:37:54
there were several people close relatives of the Ramsay that stated that the house was kind of always in a mess
00:38:01
even though that the house had a housekeeper and that they had some help that would come in and take care of some
00:38:09
things for them the house was always in a mess this again in part two young children will do that to a home right
00:38:17
but messy house messy mind I also want to point out that in years past we have video footage of the Ramsay cryst on I
00:38:27
believe it was 1994 and I maybe some footage on '95 I don't know if that was released to the
00:38:34
public but on 1996 what they claim is I think they woke up and the battery was dead of the camcar so that's why they
00:38:43
didn't take a video that day between 5: and 6:00 p.m. the ramies left their house this is all four of them John paty
00:38:52
Burke and John Benet and they are in route for the home of their dear friends Fleet and Priscilla white this is for a
00:39:00
Christmas party I've seen this reported to be as early as 400 p.m. but most often it's said to be in the 5:00 hour
00:39:11
now this is your typical Christmas party but at an unknown time the ramies leave this party
00:39:20
right on the drive home from the party John Benet and her brother Burke fell asleep in the car and the ramsy made
00:39:27
some stops along the way to drop off gifts this is to Stewart and Roxy Walker's home and then to Glenn and
00:39:35
Susan Stein's house because we don't know exactly what time they left the party and what time
00:39:43
these stops took place we also don't know exactly what time the ramsy arrived back at their house right they claim it
00:39:52
was between 9 and 9:30 we would have several stories about what would take place once the ramies
00:40:02
arrive at their home one of these stories says that John put John Benet Ramsay to bed and then he went and
00:40:10
played a game with Burke afterward and eventually Burke goes to bed the ramsy later reported to the
00:40:18
Boulder Police Department officers that John Benet Ramsey was last seen by paty Ramsey in The Residence at a
00:40:26
approximately 10: p.m. according to Boulder Police Department detective Linda art John Ramsey said John B was
00:40:35
last seen by him at approximately 2200 hours 10 p.m. either way both of these statements put John Benet as being last
00:40:45
seen in her bed at 10:00 right and a lot of people think how it went down was they get home she's still asleep they
00:40:54
don't want to wake her up and John carries her to her bed that's where he would say good night and then
00:41:02
supposedly this is where paty Ramsey comes in to check on her and and says good night to her as well John would
00:41:10
tell two Boulder police officers separately that he read to both children before they went to bed now later he
00:41:18
would deny both of those statements yeah cuz I've I've heard him say several times that he carried her to bed and she
00:41:25
was asleep sleep when he carried her to bed yeah I just don't know here Captain I could see either of these situations
00:41:33
being very likely kids fall asleep in the car you don't want to wake them up you put them straight to bed it's also
00:41:40
Christmas night you know thinking back to my childhood you remember when you get like something super cool like like
00:41:47
a Super Nintendo or really big gift right and then your parents are like here's your Super Nintendo with a couple
00:41:54
of games oh we gotta leave and go to somebody's Christmas party and you're like the last thing I want to do is
00:42:02
leave so the kids could have yeah they could have still been excited and when they got home either situation makes
00:42:10
makes sense to me what doesn't make sense is that the stories aren't the same or similar enough yeah and I would
00:42:19
say look if you're Burke hey look at the story they both fell asleep on the way home 9-year-old Burke wakes up and guess
00:42:27
what he wants to do he wants to play with one of his cool toys that he got just like you just said jnay Ramsey is
00:42:35
she's six years old and think about the amount of stuff she has done she she's been a in competitions she's been per in
00:42:45
performances she's had to be run all over to this family gathering this friends and family gathering I'm
00:42:54
assuming that this 6-year-old is wiped out and there is a picture that was just recent in the last couple years released
00:43:03
to the public which is supposedly the last picture of John Benet that was ever taken and she looks tired in the picture
00:43:12
and that was taken at the party before they left to go home so and also like I said early claims from John Ramsey this
00:43:22
is what happened later claims from John Ramsay this is what happened I'm going to go with that story around
00:43:30
10 to 10:30 p.m. paty goes to bed now according to paty's statement John goes to bed at 10:03 to 10:33 p.m. what we're
00:43:43
basing this off of is that paty says quote John came to bed shortly thereafter then asked do you recall if
00:43:52
it was 15 minutes or a half an hour right paty Ramsey says it was probably just a few minutes so we are tacking on
00:44:00
3 minutes either way to that statement 10:03 to 10:33 John and paty both claimed that they were not awakened
00:44:10
during the night they're both in bed yeah but I heard it reported somewhere I want to say maybe it was John Douglas
00:44:16
that John Ramsey claims that he took some kind of sleeping a that night I believe that to be correct as well as I
00:44:25
think that was a pretty regular thing for John Ramsey either way by both accounts we have both of them in bed
00:44:34
between 10 10:30ish 10:33 at the latest yeah I've not seen any reports like growing up when I was a kid my father
00:44:44
would go through and check the windows and check the doors now we didn't live in a 7,000 ft house but I wonder if John
00:44:53
ramsy had some kind of rout that he would check the perimeter of the house it has been said that he did that night
00:45:03
and it has been said by people that were close to the family and their housekeeper that the ramies were quote
00:45:10
good I believe the quote is actually really good about locking their doors mhm but it's interesting because they're
00:45:18
not using their alarm system they have alarm system but it seems like that was not a common practice for the ram
00:45:27
it would have been at one time the problem was or it's been reported as such that having two little kids in the
00:45:35
home the children were constantly setting off the security system which created all these false alarms and
00:45:42
anybody that has a security system knows that those false alarms they start to come with fines that can get
00:45:52
fairly fairly steep right fairly quickly from law enforcement Now we move on to December
00:46:00
26th Captain sometime around midnight neighbor Scott Gibbons says he looked out his kitchen window toward the Ramsay
00:46:09
residence and observed that the upper kitchen lights were on and dimmed low again another one of those things it
00:46:17
could mean something it could mean nothing at all MH now the whereabouts of John Andrew ramsy this is John's son
00:46:27
from his first marriage his whereabouts will come into question so it is important for us to
00:46:33
not here that between midnight and 1 a.m. at least three people put him at the home of Lucinda Johnson in maretta
00:46:42
Georgia later he is at another home again in Georgia just to be perfectly clear here
00:46:50
Captain these sightings these aliis for John Andrew Ramsay are one 100% confirmed right yeah they were actually
00:46:59
cleared by the police which they haven't cleared a lot of people on this case so
00:47:04
for them to clear him that that's important and we have confirmation of people being with John Andrew Ramsay up
00:47:11
until 8:36 a.m. M at 1:00 a.m. neighbors Andrew vermier and Luke vermier they went to bed this is after watching
00:47:22
movies they say that before they went to bed all the way up to 1:00 a.m. they did
00:47:28
not hear anything unusual they didn't see anything unusual everything was typical for that time of
00:47:35
night according to Boulder detective Steve Thomas neighbor Melody Stanton says she heard a scream between midnight
00:47:45
and 2 a.m. this seems quite interesting to me but I do want to take this a step further and point out that this same one
00:47:55
woman did say at the very early stages of the investigation that she had nothing to offer she did not want to get
00:48:03
involved then later she claims that she heard a scream between the Midnight Hour
00:48:09
and approximately 2 a.m. yeah I heard what I heard about these screams is that they heard some screams multiple screams
00:48:18
not just one but they heard multiple screams and thought okay well surely the the parents of this girl are home cuz
00:48:26
they she thought the screams were from a little girl that the parents are home and they'll take care of this and that's
00:48:33
why they stopped hearing the screams also around 2 a.m. I want to point out that the whites regarding the activity
00:48:40
at their friends Fleet in Priscilla white M everyone including their guest are reported to have gone to bed by 2
00:48:49
a.m. at 5:30 a.m. John Ramsey wakes up the family plan to get up early that morning because they were to fly to
00:48:57
charoy Michigan for a family vacation paty Ramsey got up quote a few minutes later while Mr Ramsay took a shower Mrs
00:49:08
Ramsay put back on the same outfit she had on the night before she put on some makeup and she went down to the second
00:49:15
floor and then went down the spiral stairs to the kitchen now there's two different versions of this story there
00:49:25
is one that states that she went to check on John Benet on her way downstairs and John Benet was not there
00:49:33
right the other story says that she went she attempted to go straight down to the
00:49:38
ground level floor now either way there on the spiral stairs she found on a step near the
00:49:49
bottom of these stairs she discovered a handwritten note on three sheets of paper laid out side by side that
00:49:57
indicated that John Benet had been kidnapped paty Ramsey told detective art that she found a note at the bottom of
00:50:04
the staircase at approximately 5:45 a.m. she says she read only a few lines stating that John Benet was kidnapped
00:50:13
but safe and unharmed and demanding $118,000 for her return Mrs Ramsey immediately screamed and then ran to
00:50:23
check John benet's room which she found to be empty after hearing Mrs Ramsay scream John Ramsay ran downstairs and
00:50:33
met paty Ramsey in the stairwell together they checked on Burke who appeared to be asleep in his room John
00:50:42
Ramsey then went downstairs to read The Ransom note he told paty to call the police 911 logged the call at 5:52
00:50:54
a.m. 911 emergency please Street what's going on there ma' we have a kidnapping hurry please
00:51:07
explain to me what's going on okay there we have a there's a note left our daughter's gone a note was left and your
00:51:13
daughter is gone how old is your daughter she's gone [Applause] old how long ago was this I don't know I
00:51:24
just found the not oh my God does it say who Cher what does it say who tier I don't
00:51:31
know there's a ransom note here it's a ransom note it says fbtc [Applause] Victory please okay what's your name are
00:51:44
you I'm the mother oh my God please I'm okay I'm sending an officer over okay do
00:51:52
you know how long she's been gone no I don't please we just got up is she right here oh my God please okay I am honey
00:52:01
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